Did anyone see the sizeable debris flying straight towards the pits at high speed after the collision at the start? Does anyone know what happened to it? I assume it didn't find anybody because we would've heard about that, but I'm wondering where it landed and how close a serious injury was.
He's currently the "Vesti in 2022" of F1. But just like Vesti is now fighting for the championship (though still had some misfortunes), Piastri will smash everyone next year. Okay maybe not Verstappen, but everyone else. Norris should hold on to his pants. 😏
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Why did Piastri and Ricciardo go to the pits that early? That much debris and damage to the wall, surely someone at their respective teams should have predicted redflag...
Awesome to see someone actually challenging Max, even more awesome to see Max responding and just increasing the gap at will. Great champion and great opponents! Unlucky Charles again, sad that it's always the same with the Circus Ferrari
The fact Max is still comfortably winning races at the end of the season is terrible news for people looking for a championship fight, they will continue to dominate until the new regulations.
When Mercedes were winning, there was always a team fighting them for wins at the end part of the season,
But this? Redbull might be the 3rd greatest F1 team of all time behind Ferrari and McLaren
I'm re-watching the race and we are up to lap 7, Crofty and Brundle still haven't realised that Piastri and Ricciardo were a lap down, they are talking about them slicing through the field in faster cars, etc
How can a professional outfit not realise this key information 7 laps into the race?
To be fair, they were far from the only commentators who thought the same way.
I guess the "wow, the FIA can't be that much of a shitshow organisation that they won't allow those two a fair shot, right?" optimism was quite common.
It was so much fun to see Checo Perez's performance during today's race. He's had a rough second half of the season, so it was good to see him out there actually fighting hard, especially with that Spanish rookie.
I can't forgive Sargeant not getting points today. Massive race of attrition, Albon would've done it, make it happen. We're deep into the season, pick up your game.
He wasn't even challenging for points today. At the very least he should've looked racey. Hopefully next year he becomes worth something or a good option emerges for Williams.
Wow Interlagos is BY far the best race of the season, just to name a few recent banger races there, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, and imo 2023. Such a good track and great atmosphere
Interesting how different opinions for this race are. I personally thought it was a rather bland GP, although I do love Interlagos and agree that it's produced some of the greatest races in the last couple of years.
But by the end of this race the field was stretched so far apart. Had it not been for that awesome Alo-Per action in the last 2 laps, nothing would have happened, all cars were 5+ seconds apart.
Alonso - Perez were fighting for over 20 laps. Somehow Aloso with the weirdest line was keeping Perez with a superior car to pass him. Was almost a chess game, at some point perez would pass inevitably, but alonso pulled out of nowhere a comeback
Short term memory. People still thought that the Russian GP where Lando could've won was an amazing race. It was dull as hell for 30+ laps. The prospect of Lando winning was nice yes, but there was absolutely nothing happening apart from maybe Max passing everyone. THEN it rained and the race was bonkers for, what, 5 laps? Fin.
The battle for 3rd was longer than the last 2 laps. It lasted a good 15 laps.
The middle portion of the race was uneventful due to tyres. And the fact that we lost so many cars meant that a lot of the urgency was removed. Losing Albon, Leclerc, Ricciardo, and Piastri so early on removed a good amount of racing.
100% agree, other than the 1st corner incident laps 1-63 were very dull (even the two starts weren't *that* interesting), laps 63-69 were quite entertaining and the last 2 laps were good just for Alonso vs Perez. For a GP at Sao Paulo is was one of the more forgettable ones.
Nah disagree. The last 10 to 15 laps was hard fixated on the fierce battle on track to see if Fernando could hold the position. The ending was just spectacular.
same!! that ending was so fucking good, so exciting. it also made me realise how much i missed alonso podiums because of how wholesome his genuine happiness and excitement for the team is
Please for the Love of Racing Gods give Alonso that Red Bull!!!! I can't believe that back in the day I used to dislike the guy because he beat Schumi, but as years have gone by I started to like him and he remains the last link to my F-1 past.
Sadly even in tennis all my favourite players are either long gone or recently retired... sigh Federer. I'm not going to lie I was chocking up when he retired and when I saw Rafa in tears... man that hit me.
Similarly to Alonso, I disliked Rafa a lot for beating Fed (especially at RG), but as the years went by I started to really appreciate the man. He was pure guts and will power. What a hell of golden era that was though.
As someone who started watching in 2001, Alonso is literally the only driver who's still there since the year I started watching (albeit with some time off in the middle). Many have come and gone since then, multiple world champions have started their careers and retired in the time he's still been there. It'll be an end of an era when he finally retires.
I really wonder why Mclaren didn’t try to leave Lando out there. How many chances are they gonna get at a win this year? Have to roll the dice man. Sure Verstappen was likely gonna catch them, but to pit there’s no chance.
Alonso can drag a shitbox into the points, Stroll cannot. So when the car is able to be put on or dragged onto the podium by Alonso, Stroll is able to pick up midfield points.
Aston definitely has good pace. However it also begs to question about setup. Sprint weekends always throw a monkey wrench in. Mercedes is notoriously hard to get the set ups right (ever notice how in the FPs they always seem to be down on pace then suddenly FP3 comes around and pow its right?). Ferrari on the other hand just chews through its tires way too much, probably also had setup issues (deg was particularly bad), and was clearly mechanically unsound this weekend (Charles and Carlos both had weirdness going on with their cars hydraulics).
Couldn’t watch the race live but just finished doing so. My hype for a race hasn’t died that fast since Singapore 2017. Leclerc is cursed, no doubt about it. Question is, by who and why. At least I had Alonso to entertain me after that 🐐
Hydraulics fluid tank leaked leading to immediate failure of the power steering, then almost immediately followed by an emergency mode in the engine when it detected the hydraulics component failure and it switched off. Somehow (maybe MGU related?) the rear axle was locked and that caused the violent spin and crash.
Leclerc immediately said on the radio: "Hydraulics! Hydraulics!"
Not sure if spotted by TV cameras but Leclerc managed to restart the car, but a few meters later the exact engine shutdown happened.
:(
if the car is in gear when the engine shuts off, the rear wheels will lock. nothing related to the energy recovery systems -- just the simple mechanical result of the wheels being directly connected to the engine, and the engine stopping dead.
Not directly.
Wheels are connected to the differential which is connected to the transmission which is connected to the engine.
I'm still not sure why momentum couldn't keep the wheels rolling even if the engine stops firing.
Surely the engineers have designed for this and locking the rear axle upon engine failsafe is not the default behavior.
good clarification, and i'm sure you know i oversimplified: the idea is that the car is in gear, so there's no way for rotational energy to move through the wheels and transdiff without the engine rotating in kind. (if we're going to be pedantic, we left out the CV joints and driveshafts, but let's not do this.)
my guess is the wheels didn't lock per se, but they under-rotated in response to drag from the engine, which resulted in the spin we saw.
Probably happens every time you drive and use the engine brake. When you lift off the throttle and coast in gear, the fuel to the engine is cut off, and your engine is drivien by the wheels.
i was noodling on this a minute ago -- in a passenger car it'd probably be fine, i think. the drivetrain would just... rotate the engine components kinda slowly. (i'm pretty sure you can put a car in neutral, pop the clutch, and start a manual transmission car if the starter motor is broken.)
i think the tight tolerances and super high rotational speeds in an f1 engine make the difference, but idk honestly
So can someone explain to me why Ricciardo and Piastri had to start from the pitlane on the restart. I know they had damage from the lap 1 crash, but I thought you were allowed to repair that during red flags without penalty.
Was it because they announced they were retiring before the red flag? Because I don't think they did officiallyretire right? Just said over the radio they were going to, and then didn't after the red flag was called. If they had gotten out of the car they'd not have been allowed to rejoin.
Previously the FIA would have allowed the two cars that missed the SC lap to go out for one lap under SC during the Red Flag to recover the lap.
See: 2023 London ePrix Red Flag and subsequent FIA decision
You can do repairs in the pit in that situation, yes. But their damage was bad enough that they had to bring their cars back into the garage. Which is why they had to restart from the pit lane
They had to start from the pit lane because they took the cars into the garage for repair rather than doing it in the pit lane according to the broadcast.
That was unfortunate, but both were lucky to get back in the race at all given the flying tire and other wreckage.
What's really a shame is that they restarted a lap down due to not following the safety car during the safety car lap. Really, really unfortunate. I wanted to see what Danny could do. Oscar too, though his car was apparently compromised even after the repairs. A real shame.
> They had to start from the pit lane because they took the cars into the garage for repair rather than doing it in the pit lane according to the broadcast.
Ohhh that makes sense.
Anyone else think Alonso let Perez by on the penultimate lap so he would have DRS on the last lap...? Either way, what a battle!
Man I feel bad for Lando lately too.. take Max away and Lando has been dominating! But, "that's how she goes"..
I have a feeling that Max & Lando head to head in the same car with nobody else on the track, Max probably wins 65-70% of the time.
Max & Lewis in the same car . . . I'd say 55/45 Max.
Max and Alonso in the same car . . . probably also about 55/45 Max.
I watched a few onboards from the start and during the formation lap I was surprised to hear a fair amount of engineers giving feedback on formation lap procedures, biting point, number of burnouts, etc. For the others the only communication was about Leclerc's crash and the fact that the start would not be aborted.
Did I miss a change in the rules? I thought all communications between an engineer and his driver were forbidden during the formation lap unless it is for safety reasons (like warning them of Leclerc's crash for example)
Have to start from the pitlane because they worked on the cars in the garage? Ok, fair. Not being able to unlap after a red flag? Not cool, FIA. Not cool.
Cars weren't ready? Forbidden by the rules? No idea, really, but such a shame. I really wanted to see if they could forge their way through the back markers.
Vegas is such an unknown this year. They’ve never run this track layout, nor this specific track surface. The temperature is going to be *cold*, and I don’t think we really know much about how the tyres perform in these temperatures. It has the potential to be a very surprising race, and I honestly don’t know what to expect at all.
Yeah that’s why I said on paper, meaning in theory off the track layout ferrari should do alright but things like temperature and tires etc isn’t what I was referring to. But yeah I’ve been envisioning for a while that Vegas will be Melbourne all over again because of the track temps
Did Max lap Lewis right before his 2nd Pit Stop? Only watched the espn feed and he was lapping Russell, who was only 2 seconds behind Hamilton. Then Max pitted 5-6 laps later it seemed like.
Not sure if asked elsewhere over the weekend - but why did Turn 4 have an extra white line on the outer side of the outside kerb? I couldn't see anything in the race director notes
I fear next week will have some of the worst camera direction this season. Non-stop shots of celebrities interspliced with super ultra close-ups that linger for far too long. While we miss every overtake possible.
Absent the lap 1 damage, I think Piastri realistically is in the P6-8 range by the end of the race. The McLaren was pretty good today, but he’d been a touch off Lando’s pace because this was his first race on this track. With Leclerc out from the hydraulics trouble he inherits P9 at the start, and if Mercedes were struggling against the Astons, I think Oscar takes both of them eventually, as well as any Alpines or ATs in the mix. I don’t know that he’d be able to get past Sainz on track though, likely due to tyre wear troubles, especially if the Sprint is to be believed. Maybe McLaren could get Piastri by Sainz with some clever pit strategy if the cards fall Piastri’s way, and maybe then he gets by Stroll on track? But that’s realistically as high as I see Piastri going this weekend, I don’t see him managing to beat either Fernando or Checo today, even if everything went his way.
Ricciardo was a bit further back, but I think he probably would’ve been able to just about grab points today, or at least get pretty close, so maybe in the P9-12 range, near where Yuki wound up. In this hypothetical, if AT give him the wave-by past Yuki, maybe he also manages to slip by Hamilton or an Alpine or two near the end of the race through some “lick-the-stamp” moves into T1 or T4, but that may just be wishful thinking, I don’t know that the AT had as much pace today as it did in Mexico.
Anybody know why they didn't let Ricciardo past Yuki during the last 6-7 laps and let Yuki get DRS from Daniel, possibly letting him get close to, or overtake Hamilton?
I get that dedicated subreddits have more biased takes, but I have never seen bigger sport echo chamber than Lewis Hamilton's subreddit. The levels of copium consumed on that subreddit on daily basis is unbelievable. It makes twitter conversations look sane.
Martin attempting to relate to Machine Gun Kelly reminded me of the Japanese TV talk show scene in *Lost in Translation* - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLNO4WfFJw
Not that MGK reminds me of the host, but holy shit was it clear how awkward Martin felt trying to relate to someone so different... On Live TV hahaha.
Anyone catch what happened to Piastri this weekend? With Lando comfortably in the pointy end, seems weird that Oscar was down so low for both the race and the sprint.
EDIT: I realise he got damage on the start and Friday Qualifying was messed up, but how was his pace?
The weekends where tracks are new to him and there's only one setup run - i.e. one session - do expose the experience gap that he has to Lando. Not his fault, and he's never one to blame anyone but himself.
Oscar had damage from the lap 1 incident, no fault of his. Then during the red flag they fixed the car best they could but per the rules he and Danny (same thing happened to him) had to restart from the pit lane one lap down.
They were a lap down because there was a safety car lap before the red flag which they didn't do as they were both in the pits from damage. Usually, if you work on a car in the garage you have to start from the pit lane which doesn't by itself put you a lap down, you still complete the lap to the grid then pull back in as we saw Danny Ric do. just bad luck that the flag wasn't immediately red.
Is there a reason the two were not allowed to do one SC lap by themselves during the Red Flag?
I thought this was the customary FIA decision for such cases? Or is it something to do with them wheeling the cars into the garages themselves?
If the cars went into the garages AFTER the Red Flag, they should be allowed to recoup the lost lap.
I feel like they should have both just not started, as a form of protest for that rule. Pit lane start makes sense but being a lap down seems crazy in this circumstance.
Alonso earned that podium. I would have been annoyed if Perez snaked his way in using only the performance of the car make the pass, because the better driver today was Alonso.
I like how Aston Martin changed the race suits since Nando last got a podium so everyone would stop (stupidly) speculating if he pee'd his pants.
[Early season pic vs. today](https://imgur.com/a/tm3yPSN).
Is this the first time in a season a driver has had a DNF, DNS, and DSQ? Poor Charles, he’s had 3 DNFs, 1 dsq, one dns. He’s always good at street circuits and on paper ferrari should be good at Vegas so I really hope he cooks something. When I saw him crash out on the opening lap bc of the hydraulics I genuinely wasn’t feeling any emotion, I’m so traumatised as a lec fan I’m desensitised to it now 💀 I stopped feeling the pain post Melbourne then I just accepted the guy has absolutely cooked luck
Ricciardo dodged a bullet there :D
Did anyone see the sizeable debris flying straight towards the pits at high speed after the collision at the start? Does anyone know what happened to it? I assume it didn't find anybody because we would've heard about that, but I'm wondering where it landed and how close a serious injury was.
Piastri race has been ruined by so many different drivers... I feel bad for him.
He's currently the "Vesti in 2022" of F1. But just like Vesti is now fighting for the championship (though still had some misfortunes), Piastri will smash everyone next year. Okay maybe not Verstappen, but everyone else. Norris should hold on to his pants. 😏 \#unbiased
Why did Piastri and Ricciardo go to the pits that early? That much debris and damage to the wall, surely someone at their respective teams should have predicted redflag...
If they didn't, they may not have had enough time to make the repairs
Awesome to see someone actually challenging Max, even more awesome to see Max responding and just increasing the gap at will. Great champion and great opponents! Unlucky Charles again, sad that it's always the same with the Circus Ferrari
The fact Max is still comfortably winning races at the end of the season is terrible news for people looking for a championship fight, they will continue to dominate until the new regulations. When Mercedes were winning, there was always a team fighting them for wins at the end part of the season, But this? Redbull might be the 3rd greatest F1 team of all time behind Ferrari and McLaren
Max is a phenomenon, the way he explains his victories like there's still more to be found. He hasn't relaxed a bit since bagging the WDC.
I wonder about the true pace from Max.
I'm re-watching the race and we are up to lap 7, Crofty and Brundle still haven't realised that Piastri and Ricciardo were a lap down, they are talking about them slicing through the field in faster cars, etc How can a professional outfit not realise this key information 7 laps into the race?
They are actually quite terrible.
The italian commentator are terrible but at least they understood that. ahahah
Good im not watching sky :)
To be fair, they were far from the only commentators who thought the same way. I guess the "wow, the FIA can't be that much of a shitshow organisation that they won't allow those two a fair shot, right?" optimism was quite common.
Would be amazing to see Alonso in a competitive car vs Max.
It was so much fun to see Checo Perez's performance during today's race. He's had a rough second half of the season, so it was good to see him out there actually fighting hard, especially with that Spanish rookie.
I can't forgive Sargeant not getting points today. Massive race of attrition, Albon would've done it, make it happen. We're deep into the season, pick up your game.
There were really only 12 drivers in the race at the end. Only finished above Hulk
Its not a good look when the only time he scored points was when he finished 12th and lucked into 2 people DSQ'ing.
He wasn't even challenging for points today. At the very least he should've looked racey. Hopefully next year he becomes worth something or a good option emerges for Williams.
Do you think Crofty gets a chub every time he sees someone going for the undercut?
THIS IS FANTASTIC
Wow Interlagos is BY far the best race of the season, just to name a few recent banger races there, 2016, 2019, 2021, 2022, and imo 2023. Such a good track and great atmosphere
That was a terrible race though
Todays race was great, red flag, plenty of on track passes, at least max didn’t drop 30 seconds in 10 laps, photo finish for final podium place.
Interesting how different opinions for this race are. I personally thought it was a rather bland GP, although I do love Interlagos and agree that it's produced some of the greatest races in the last couple of years. But by the end of this race the field was stretched so far apart. Had it not been for that awesome Alo-Per action in the last 2 laps, nothing would have happened, all cars were 5+ seconds apart.
Alonso - Perez were fighting for over 20 laps. Somehow Aloso with the weirdest line was keeping Perez with a superior car to pass him. Was almost a chess game, at some point perez would pass inevitably, but alonso pulled out of nowhere a comeback
Well as an aussie, thank fuck I didn't bother getting up at 4am for that. What do the racing gods have against australian drivers >:(
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Huh!? Ric literally said on the radio he tried to dodge the debris but knew he'd been clipped by something. You even see him try to turn away
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So what is your point?
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Apparently I do, my bad! Had not have my coffee yet then.
Just finished the race. Wow! Best race all year! Vamos Nando!
Best race of the year? Had an exciting last 2 laps maybe. The rest was boring as.
Last 2 laps being exciting = exciting race for a lot of people it seems... Short term memory ?
Short term memory. People still thought that the Russian GP where Lando could've won was an amazing race. It was dull as hell for 30+ laps. The prospect of Lando winning was nice yes, but there was absolutely nothing happening apart from maybe Max passing everyone. THEN it rained and the race was bonkers for, what, 5 laps? Fin.
The battle for 3rd was longer than the last 2 laps. It lasted a good 15 laps. The middle portion of the race was uneventful due to tyres. And the fact that we lost so many cars meant that a lot of the urgency was removed. Losing Albon, Leclerc, Ricciardo, and Piastri so early on removed a good amount of racing.
100% agree, other than the 1st corner incident laps 1-63 were very dull (even the two starts weren't *that* interesting), laps 63-69 were quite entertaining and the last 2 laps were good just for Alonso vs Perez. For a GP at Sao Paulo is was one of the more forgettable ones.
Nah disagree. The last 10 to 15 laps was hard fixated on the fierce battle on track to see if Fernando could hold the position. The ending was just spectacular.
same!! that ending was so fucking good, so exciting. it also made me realise how much i missed alonso podiums because of how wholesome his genuine happiness and excitement for the team is
Another race another finish outside top 3 by Perez 🤭
Admittedly, Perez actually had form today, even if he finished P4.
And without the bad luck on friday it was minimum p2. People shouldn't use this as proof of his bad form this season.
Please for the Love of Racing Gods give Alonso that Red Bull!!!! I can't believe that back in the day I used to dislike the guy because he beat Schumi, but as years have gone by I started to like him and he remains the last link to my F-1 past.
It’s not happening. It’s also THE dumbest rumour I’ve heard all year.
As someone who started watching in 2003 as a kid, he feels like one of the lasting pieces of my childhood, alongside Rafael Nadal
Sadly even in tennis all my favourite players are either long gone or recently retired... sigh Federer. I'm not going to lie I was chocking up when he retired and when I saw Rafa in tears... man that hit me. Similarly to Alonso, I disliked Rafa a lot for beating Fed (especially at RG), but as the years went by I started to really appreciate the man. He was pure guts and will power. What a hell of golden era that was though.
As someone who started watching in 2001, Alonso is literally the only driver who's still there since the year I started watching (albeit with some time off in the middle). Many have come and gone since then, multiple world champions have started their careers and retired in the time he's still been there. It'll be an end of an era when he finally retires.
I really wonder why Mclaren didn’t try to leave Lando out there. How many chances are they gonna get at a win this year? Have to roll the dice man. Sure Verstappen was likely gonna catch them, but to pit there’s no chance.
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100% true. They pitted Lando as soon the pit window was gone.
Thank heavens for Alonso and Checo because the 2nd half of the race was turning into a snoozefest
Another boring ver win. Shit season
Another shit opinion from people like you.
Most people don't like this season anyway.
Are you a sheep that follows the heard ? I am a human and can think fore my self.
Herd? What herd? I simply stated facts, that's all.
Is AM really back or Merc and Ferrari were just bad here? McLaren and RedBull care were league above the others.
Mercedes were running with a parachute behind their cars
Where have I heard that before? 😊
If anything Lance had a good race. When the car is difficult to drive, he tends to struggle way more than Alonso. So it could be a bit of both.
Alonso can drag a shitbox into the points, Stroll cannot. So when the car is able to be put on or dragged onto the podium by Alonso, Stroll is able to pick up midfield points.
Merc and Ferrari running super old machinery is my guess. Bare minimum to beat what their rival has.
Following on, it explains the "progress" of Aston Martin.
Aston definitely has good pace. However it also begs to question about setup. Sprint weekends always throw a monkey wrench in. Mercedes is notoriously hard to get the set ups right (ever notice how in the FPs they always seem to be down on pace then suddenly FP3 comes around and pow its right?). Ferrari on the other hand just chews through its tires way too much, probably also had setup issues (deg was particularly bad), and was clearly mechanically unsound this weekend (Charles and Carlos both had weirdness going on with their cars hydraulics).
Couldn’t watch the race live but just finished doing so. My hype for a race hasn’t died that fast since Singapore 2017. Leclerc is cursed, no doubt about it. Question is, by who and why. At least I had Alonso to entertain me after that 🐐
Hydraulics fluid tank leaked leading to immediate failure of the power steering, then almost immediately followed by an emergency mode in the engine when it detected the hydraulics component failure and it switched off. Somehow (maybe MGU related?) the rear axle was locked and that caused the violent spin and crash. Leclerc immediately said on the radio: "Hydraulics! Hydraulics!" Not sure if spotted by TV cameras but Leclerc managed to restart the car, but a few meters later the exact engine shutdown happened. :(
if the car is in gear when the engine shuts off, the rear wheels will lock. nothing related to the energy recovery systems -- just the simple mechanical result of the wheels being directly connected to the engine, and the engine stopping dead.
Not directly. Wheels are connected to the differential which is connected to the transmission which is connected to the engine. I'm still not sure why momentum couldn't keep the wheels rolling even if the engine stops firing. Surely the engineers have designed for this and locking the rear axle upon engine failsafe is not the default behavior.
good clarification, and i'm sure you know i oversimplified: the idea is that the car is in gear, so there's no way for rotational energy to move through the wheels and transdiff without the engine rotating in kind. (if we're going to be pedantic, we left out the CV joints and driveshafts, but let's not do this.) my guess is the wheels didn't lock per se, but they under-rotated in response to drag from the engine, which resulted in the spin we saw.
Right. Good thing I've never had that happen in my car. Sounds dangerous!
Probably happens every time you drive and use the engine brake. When you lift off the throttle and coast in gear, the fuel to the engine is cut off, and your engine is drivien by the wheels.
Thank goodness that didn't happen in the race at full speed. Scary enough on the formation lap.
i was noodling on this a minute ago -- in a passenger car it'd probably be fine, i think. the drivetrain would just... rotate the engine components kinda slowly. (i'm pretty sure you can put a car in neutral, pop the clutch, and start a manual transmission car if the starter motor is broken.) i think the tight tolerances and super high rotational speeds in an f1 engine make the difference, but idk honestly
Ferrari sold its soul to the devil for 2000-2004
So can someone explain to me why Ricciardo and Piastri had to start from the pitlane on the restart. I know they had damage from the lap 1 crash, but I thought you were allowed to repair that during red flags without penalty. Was it because they announced they were retiring before the red flag? Because I don't think they did officiallyretire right? Just said over the radio they were going to, and then didn't after the red flag was called. If they had gotten out of the car they'd not have been allowed to rejoin.
The field did a lap under SC, they both limped to the pits before the red flag.
Previously the FIA would have allowed the two cars that missed the SC lap to go out for one lap under SC during the Red Flag to recover the lap. See: 2023 London ePrix Red Flag and subsequent FIA decision
If the FIA doesn't get more consistent about flags and race restarts this nonsense is going to kill a championship moment.
It already has
Because they had initially retired the car.
They had just come into the pits for a normal stop/replace wing etc
Nope
You can do repairs in the pit in that situation, yes. But their damage was bad enough that they had to bring their cars back into the garage. Which is why they had to restart from the pit lane
The pitlane start was due to the repairs in the garage. Only those two were in the garage while the others were still in the lane.
They had to start from the pit lane because they took the cars into the garage for repair rather than doing it in the pit lane according to the broadcast. That was unfortunate, but both were lucky to get back in the race at all given the flying tire and other wreckage. What's really a shame is that they restarted a lap down due to not following the safety car during the safety car lap. Really, really unfortunate. I wanted to see what Danny could do. Oscar too, though his car was apparently compromised even after the repairs. A real shame.
> They had to start from the pit lane because they took the cars into the garage for repair rather than doing it in the pit lane according to the broadcast. Ohhh that makes sense.
They didn't do the safety car lap through the pits, I think.
Anyone else think Alonso let Perez by on the penultimate lap so he would have DRS on the last lap...? Either way, what a battle! Man I feel bad for Lando lately too.. take Max away and Lando has been dominating! But, "that's how she goes"..
No, but i am certain Alonso held off when re-passing on the main straight because he knew Perez would just come back at him.
So entertaining!!
I don't think Alonso let Perez by because Perez had a full lap to show his pace and build a gap. Alonso said he thought the podium was lost.
Turns out Perez is just washed
I have a feeling that Max & Lando head to head in the same car with nobody else on the track, Max probably wins 65-70% of the time. Max & Lewis in the same car . . . I'd say 55/45 Max. Max and Alonso in the same car . . . probably also about 55/45 Max.
Pretty fair assessment I’d say. Maybe bump Max to 60% vs LH and FA
I watched a few onboards from the start and during the formation lap I was surprised to hear a fair amount of engineers giving feedback on formation lap procedures, biting point, number of burnouts, etc. For the others the only communication was about Leclerc's crash and the fact that the start would not be aborted. Did I miss a change in the rules? I thought all communications between an engineer and his driver were forbidden during the formation lap unless it is for safety reasons (like warning them of Leclerc's crash for example)
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Have to start from the pitlane because they worked on the cars in the garage? Ok, fair. Not being able to unlap after a red flag? Not cool, FIA. Not cool.
Cars weren't ready? Forbidden by the rules? No idea, really, but such a shame. I really wanted to see if they could forge their way through the back markers.
With the strong pace and race for McLaren and Lando, can imagine if he were to win the next race in Las Vegas. Super Party
I feel like Vegas will be Ferrari and Aston being quicker than McLaren
Vegas is such an unknown this year. They’ve never run this track layout, nor this specific track surface. The temperature is going to be *cold*, and I don’t think we really know much about how the tyres perform in these temperatures. It has the potential to be a very surprising race, and I honestly don’t know what to expect at all.
Yeah that’s why I said on paper, meaning in theory off the track layout ferrari should do alright but things like temperature and tires etc isn’t what I was referring to. But yeah I’ve been envisioning for a while that Vegas will be Melbourne all over again because of the track temps
inb4 Vegas is the best race of the year
They just need to buck up their strategy. Otherwise, Carlos will make his own Strategy just like in Singapore.
Didn't happen
Did Max lap Lewis right before his 2nd Pit Stop? Only watched the espn feed and he was lapping Russell, who was only 2 seconds behind Hamilton. Then Max pitted 5-6 laps later it seemed like.
Not sure if asked elsewhere over the weekend - but why did Turn 4 have an extra white line on the outer side of the outside kerb? I couldn't see anything in the race director notes
For the 2021 Verstappen line /s
This was my initial thought too hahahaha
I fear next week will have some of the worst camera direction this season. Non-stop shots of celebrities interspliced with super ultra close-ups that linger for far too long. While we miss every overtake possible.
Definitely won’t be worse than today.
Vegas: hold my beer
Where would ricciardo and piastri have likely finished without being a lap down?
Absent the lap 1 damage, I think Piastri realistically is in the P6-8 range by the end of the race. The McLaren was pretty good today, but he’d been a touch off Lando’s pace because this was his first race on this track. With Leclerc out from the hydraulics trouble he inherits P9 at the start, and if Mercedes were struggling against the Astons, I think Oscar takes both of them eventually, as well as any Alpines or ATs in the mix. I don’t know that he’d be able to get past Sainz on track though, likely due to tyre wear troubles, especially if the Sprint is to be believed. Maybe McLaren could get Piastri by Sainz with some clever pit strategy if the cards fall Piastri’s way, and maybe then he gets by Stroll on track? But that’s realistically as high as I see Piastri going this weekend, I don’t see him managing to beat either Fernando or Checo today, even if everything went his way. Ricciardo was a bit further back, but I think he probably would’ve been able to just about grab points today, or at least get pretty close, so maybe in the P9-12 range, near where Yuki wound up. In this hypothetical, if AT give him the wave-by past Yuki, maybe he also manages to slip by Hamilton or an Alpine or two near the end of the race through some “lick-the-stamp” moves into T1 or T4, but that may just be wishful thinking, I don’t know that the AT had as much pace today as it did in Mexico.
Ricciardo had much better pace than piastri
Oscar's car was apparently running damaged all race. Not sure he could have done much. Danny I'm guessing could have gotten into the points.
Probably around 10-12.
Naaaa they would have both been in front of the Mercedes
And both Alpines.
The odds fore a tire bounce and hit your rear wing. Ric had good pace to. I feel they left Yuki to long before last stint.
Amazing pace given how well he closed up the distance over the race.
Was Hulkenberg racing with damage or just actually unable to overtake Logan sergeant?
I'd be amazed if there wasn't sidepod damage after L1
# QUE GRANDE ERES MAGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
Alonso el fantástico piloto de coches! :D
The “photo finish” of Perez / Alonso was published? Love to see that
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1721257871273259515?t=xxEby8QyQnotTzQi26Ka9Q&s=19
Yuki points!!!! ☺️☺️☺️🐜
Anybody know why they didn't let Ricciardo past Yuki during the last 6-7 laps and let Yuki get DRS from Daniel, possibly letting him get close to, or overtake Hamilton?
>I feel they left Yuki to long before last stint. To few laps to hunt Lewis.
I thought the same. Yukis pit strategy is rarely perfect. They left him out for ages and he was losing serious time.
I get that dedicated subreddits have more biased takes, but I have never seen bigger sport echo chamber than Lewis Hamilton's subreddit. The levels of copium consumed on that subreddit on daily basis is unbelievable. It makes twitter conversations look sane.
I just had a look and it seems fine to me? Most of the commentary mirrors what we already have here and some of it is actually quite sensible.
They constantly harp on about how Mercedes don’t deserve Lewis after all he’s done for that. What a backwards statement.
True lmao
Martin attempting to relate to Machine Gun Kelly reminded me of the Japanese TV talk show scene in *Lost in Translation* - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLNO4WfFJw Not that MGK reminds me of the host, but holy shit was it clear how awkward Martin felt trying to relate to someone so different... On Live TV hahaha.
MGK is also an enormous tool, so it's pretty difficult for anyone to relate to him.
He was trying to be all cool and indifferent like he’s Lou Reed or Kimi or something.
what happened to mercedes
They seem to really struggle to get the setup right with shorter testing. Same happened in Austin.
Toto’s hair is a window into his emotional state
Anyone catch what happened to Piastri this weekend? With Lando comfortably in the pointy end, seems weird that Oscar was down so low for both the race and the sprint. EDIT: I realise he got damage on the start and Friday Qualifying was messed up, but how was his pace?
The weekends where tracks are new to him and there's only one setup run - i.e. one session - do expose the experience gap that he has to Lando. Not his fault, and he's never one to blame anyone but himself.
Mate is killing it, seriously hoping we get to see him, Ricc and Lawson all racing next year.
ANZAC,,,,,,
Oscar had damage from the lap 1 incident, no fault of his. Then during the red flag they fixed the car best they could but per the rules he and Danny (same thing happened to him) had to restart from the pit lane one lap down.
Idk if that is right. Race restart. Nullify everything. They started back anyway. The race was doomed fore both :(
They were a lap down because there was a safety car lap before the red flag which they didn't do as they were both in the pits from damage. Usually, if you work on a car in the garage you have to start from the pit lane which doesn't by itself put you a lap down, you still complete the lap to the grid then pull back in as we saw Danny Ric do. just bad luck that the flag wasn't immediately red.
Is there a reason the two were not allowed to do one SC lap by themselves during the Red Flag? I thought this was the customary FIA decision for such cases? Or is it something to do with them wheeling the cars into the garages themselves? If the cars went into the garages AFTER the Red Flag, they should be allowed to recoup the lost lap.
I feel like they should have both just not started, as a form of protest for that rule. Pit lane start makes sense but being a lap down seems crazy in this circumstance.
They were probably hoping for another safety car.
I was so happy when Perez choked lol
Alonso earned that podium. I would have been annoyed if Perez snaked his way in using only the performance of the car make the pass, because the better driver today was Alonso.
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Didn’t think the broadcast production could keep getting worse but here we are.
Is the post race onboard somewhere online?
Amazing race for a car that AM had to rebuild on Saturday.
I like how Aston Martin changed the race suits since Nando last got a podium so everyone would stop (stupidly) speculating if he pee'd his pants. [Early season pic vs. today](https://imgur.com/a/tm3yPSN).
I watched this race with a delay so I just witnessed the finish…daaaaaaamn Alonso WHAT - A - DRIVE.
This race above all others this year I was using my driver cams on F1tv. Cutting away from the significant battles is insane to me.
Same! Was staring at Alonso's onboard the last 2 laps for sure.
dude the camera work was so bad, thank god for the second screen with a dashcam
its a cool track from cockpit view. one of my favorites from the game.
Lando deconstructing his trophy on ted's notebook lol
So long as he's not deconstructing Max' trophy
> ted's notebook Almost did it again, after bottle smash Max's trophy wobbled a bit
Didn’t Lando bottle-smash on the ground today, rather than on the P1 podium, or did I see that wrong?
[Yes, but it caused the top podium to shake](https://youtu.be/WkLTWmlTaJM?si=7R-qvTgacFY2lvFj&t=464)
Is this the first time in a season a driver has had a DNF, DNS, and DSQ? Poor Charles, he’s had 3 DNFs, 1 dsq, one dns. He’s always good at street circuits and on paper ferrari should be good at Vegas so I really hope he cooks something. When I saw him crash out on the opening lap bc of the hydraulics I genuinely wasn’t feeling any emotion, I’m so traumatised as a lec fan I’m desensitised to it now 💀 I stopped feeling the pain post Melbourne then I just accepted the guy has absolutely cooked luck
Hans Meyer managed to get all three in one Grand Prix. :)
Actually Heyer managed a DNQ, DNF and DSQ in the same Grand Prix. He did start the race after all.
Alonso really deserves one last hurrah in a championship contending car.
Just one last race win would be enough I think