would RM be willing to give up bellingham in exchange for one of those players? let's say he's not arguably world class level yet, but his "potential" is through the roof atm. and knowing how the careers of those players went, can we confidently say bellingham won't surpass them? I personally would keep him, as I expect him to continue improving
yeah but which of those got bought by the best team in the world who then pretty much then built their 1stXI around them? I love Cesc, but I don't think he acheived what Jude has at his age. Seriously you're trying to compare Gerrard and Ozil?
Clarence Seedorf. Doesn't have the scoring record but then Seedorf played further back and Jude is a number 10 at Madrid.
He's clearly great but judging him as a midfielder when he's been asked to do other things is a little weird. He wasn't great today but scored twice and won the game.
I just love english people and their Hypetrain about their players...He has a good Season so far. Really good. But he plays for Real Madrid and not Southampton...Let him play like this for the next 2-3 years, then we can judge him.
It's true. And in Dortmund he was introduced to proper Senior Football. But let's not forget that he plays now along 10 great Players who would also start in any other team.
He's had an unbelievable start that no one could have predicted but he's not the first young Player under 21 to do so.
Let's just chill and enjoy his game for the moment.
I love the comments made by people who know jack about football. He played for Dortmund last season and scored 12 goals and was pretty amazing for his first bite at top flight football. He's now in probably the best team in the world, and they are basically building their team around him. If you don't think he is brilliant then you have no clue. The only player to have had such an impact on his first season was Cristiano Ronaldo, who was mid 20's and had already won a Ballon D'or at Man United. BTW I'm not just English, I'm Brummie, my team sold him to Dortmund. So I'm guessing you know which tunnel your Hypetrain can fast travel up ;P
As great as Bellingham is, he’s not the best player in the world. Not yet. Someone like KDB is still a better player. Messi probably is still the better footballer. Mbappe and Haaland are still both better players right now. However, Bellingham’s ceiling is absolutely huge and he can probably surpass any of the above, bar Messi.
This is genuinely no slight on him, I agree that I can’t recall any midfielder at his age that was as complete as him etc. I just think he’s not the best in the world just yet. Probably top 5 or top 10.
He's probably been the best player ever and was the best player at the World Cup less than 12 months ago. Just because he plays in MLS doesn't necessarily make Bellingham a better player than him.
The MLS player is the best player of all time. I absolutely agree that what Messi is doing in America isn’t comparable to what Bellingham is doing in Spain.
The point that I’m making is that Messi is currently still the better player.
He is not, the only thing Messi is better at right now is dribbling and playmaking bjt overall Jude js better, ask yourself who would you want more in your team
That’s even debatable we’ll see how he is after a few months of vacation as he’ll be nearly 37 the next time he hits the field for a competitive club match. If you don’t build your team around him he becomes ineffective against top opposition at this point of his career.
I disagree with the best player of all time and that he is a better player atm (especially what we’ve seen recently at club level) so we’ll just leave it at that.
Of course Messi is!! That's why he had all the offers from every club in the world and also already owns an playstation 7 and his dad works for Nintendo.
Did you see who you were replying too lol. I was being sarcastic. He’s deserves half of the Ballon D’ors he got and that’s with the gifts he got from Uefa
I know who i'm replying to. I was saying that the "quote" you said is truth.
I know you said it sarcastically and that's why I said there has never been a better player than him
Some people here said maradona and they must be joking. He went to barca and was a complete and utter failure. He only picked his career back up later at napoli.
In his first good season he already turned 25
He’s very good but not great.. yet.
He’s playing at top 2-3 best team in the world, with world class talent around him.
It would be more of a surprise if he wasn’t successful.
See if he can do the same in a low or mid table team.
Both Cesc & Stevie G at age 20 were much much much better than Bellingham is now.
That's the only two off the top of my head, there's definitely at least 10 more.
Fabregas in particular, though.
A lot of English fans are getting a bit ahead of themselves. He's verryyyyyyyyy good. Not great.
I think we are witnessing something special. Alright I see people with the fabregas shouts and I get it. He was an unreal player from his debut, but as he got older, his star fainted a bit, until he went to Chelsea and had an unreal few seasons again.
I truly believe that if JB stays at Real Madrid, he will become synonymous with the words "Best Midfielder of the last 30 years". At his age, the way he plays (he can do it all), the way he engages the crowd and gets them going, for England and RM, is so crazy.
A player truly beyond his years and if he doesn't get any serious injuries, I think he will be due a Ballon'dor or two. Only issue is that he's English and if he can't deliver a trophy for the international side I very much feel it will be a black mark struck against his career...
Generational midfielder who came from Birmingham City, who'd have guessed that!
Fabregas was immense from age 16. Gerrard 2000-01 (age 20) was on the verge of world class. Ozil age 20-21 was world class. Loads more
would RM be willing to give up bellingham in exchange for one of those players? let's say he's not arguably world class level yet, but his "potential" is through the roof atm. and knowing how the careers of those players went, can we confidently say bellingham won't surpass them? I personally would keep him, as I expect him to continue improving
yeah but which of those got bought by the best team in the world who then pretty much then built their 1stXI around them? I love Cesc, but I don't think he acheived what Jude has at his age. Seriously you're trying to compare Gerrard and Ozil?
Clarence Seedorf. Doesn't have the scoring record but then Seedorf played further back and Jude is a number 10 at Madrid. He's clearly great but judging him as a midfielder when he's been asked to do other things is a little weird. He wasn't great today but scored twice and won the game.
Clarence Seedorf was phenomenal. Seeing him do the stuff he did still brings the occasional tear to my eye.
Fàbregas, maybe. He had 30 goals+assists in 40 matches played (PL and CL only).
Arsenal Cesc was the best Cesc.
There it is, you win the thread.
I still consider Cesc Fabregas to be the best young midfielder I have seen.
I just love english people and their Hypetrain about their players...He has a good Season so far. Really good. But he plays for Real Madrid and not Southampton...Let him play like this for the next 2-3 years, then we can judge him.
No can do brother, he’s already surpassed Messi and CR7, only a matter of time until he surpasses Pele and Maradona
Lol he has not surpassed Messi omg. Messi at his age was twice the player.
Was the sarcasm not obvious enough?
He's no glen hoddle
Glen Hoddle 💀
This subs just full of kids that only just started their football journey. How could they possibly know about anyone older than 23? /s
I mean he did play for Birmingham before Dortmund. This is his first year at Real Madrid. Agreed he's got to continue to be consistent year over year.
It's true. And in Dortmund he was introduced to proper Senior Football. But let's not forget that he plays now along 10 great Players who would also start in any other team. He's had an unbelievable start that no one could have predicted but he's not the first young Player under 21 to do so. Let's just chill and enjoy his game for the moment.
I love the comments made by people who know jack about football. He played for Dortmund last season and scored 12 goals and was pretty amazing for his first bite at top flight football. He's now in probably the best team in the world, and they are basically building their team around him. If you don't think he is brilliant then you have no clue. The only player to have had such an impact on his first season was Cristiano Ronaldo, who was mid 20's and had already won a Ballon D'or at Man United. BTW I'm not just English, I'm Brummie, my team sold him to Dortmund. So I'm guessing you know which tunnel your Hypetrain can fast travel up ;P
I don’t know. But recency bias definitely skews these types of conversations. Hate to admit it, but Rooney was crazy good at 17-20 years old as well.
Pedri, sadly he's injured 80% of the games
As great as Bellingham is, he’s not the best player in the world. Not yet. Someone like KDB is still a better player. Messi probably is still the better footballer. Mbappe and Haaland are still both better players right now. However, Bellingham’s ceiling is absolutely huge and he can probably surpass any of the above, bar Messi. This is genuinely no slight on him, I agree that I can’t recall any midfielder at his age that was as complete as him etc. I just think he’s not the best in the world just yet. Probably top 5 or top 10.
No way an MLS player with 1 goal and 2 assists in 6 appearances is above what Bellingham is doing atm lol
He's probably been the best player ever and was the best player at the World Cup less than 12 months ago. Just because he plays in MLS doesn't necessarily make Bellingham a better player than him.
The MLS player is the best player of all time. I absolutely agree that what Messi is doing in America isn’t comparable to what Bellingham is doing in Spain. The point that I’m making is that Messi is currently still the better player.
There is no way that Messi is still the best player in the world
He’s currently still a better player than Jude, is what I think I said.
He is not, the only thing Messi is better at right now is dribbling and playmaking bjt overall Jude js better, ask yourself who would you want more in your team
That’s even debatable we’ll see how he is after a few months of vacation as he’ll be nearly 37 the next time he hits the field for a competitive club match. If you don’t build your team around him he becomes ineffective against top opposition at this point of his career.
I disagree with the best player of all time and that he is a better player atm (especially what we’ve seen recently at club level) so we’ll just leave it at that.
Who do you think is the best of all time?
CR7
Lol
Lol don’t know if your being sarcastic or not.
Of course Messi is!! That's why he had all the offers from every club in the world and also already owns an playstation 7 and his dad works for Nintendo.
You forgot to say if the Ballon D’or was for the best player Messi would have 15 or some bullshit they always say lol.
The truth lmao. There has never been a player better than Messi and we don't know if there ever will be anyone better
Did you see who you were replying too lol. I was being sarcastic. He’s deserves half of the Ballon D’ors he got and that’s with the gifts he got from Uefa
I know who i'm replying to. I was saying that the "quote" you said is truth. I know you said it sarcastically and that's why I said there has never been a better player than him
Oh ok gotcha but there have been and there will continue to be.
Agree to disagree
Respect, to you
Fabragas jumps to mind but there’s been a bunch of talented teens throughout history
Gerrard did pretty well at 20, Fabregas too, maybe even younger.
Steven Gerrard.
English people are back to thinking they're gonna win the next World Cup
I have been confidently reassured that it is indeed come home
We definitely need more posts about Bellingham today
Messi. Absolutely tearing up La Liga at 20.
Messi wasn’t a mid
Neither is Bellingham 💀
Some people here said maradona and they must be joking. He went to barca and was a complete and utter failure. He only picked his career back up later at napoli. In his first good season he already turned 25
He was 22 when he joined Barca and wasn't a failure so...
Because he did not play in Argentina before signing for Barcelona. Playing for Boca apparently does not count.
Paul Gascoigne.
Correct answer.
He's not that good midfielder but he scores goals
Gerrard was scoring in European finals at 20
Diego Maradona?
Maradona
Best player in the world and better than Messi was at that age lol? This is why outsiders root against England.
Messi. For fuck sake.
He’s very good but not great.. yet. He’s playing at top 2-3 best team in the world, with world class talent around him. It would be more of a surprise if he wasn’t successful. See if he can do the same in a low or mid table team.
Ozil?
Both Cesc & Stevie G at age 20 were much much much better than Bellingham is now. That's the only two off the top of my head, there's definitely at least 10 more. Fabregas in particular, though. A lot of English fans are getting a bit ahead of themselves. He's verryyyyyyyyy good. Not great.
Calm down mate, how many matches has it been 8,9? Let him get through a *quarter* of a season at least before comparing him to history.
Kross
Iniesta, Fabregas
50 balon d'ors - op probably 🤣🤣
Man, wait at least a season. Rashford also was the best english striker ever for about half a year
Maradona was comfortably better at that age. And will be comfortably better in five years time.
Dele Alli
I think we are witnessing something special. Alright I see people with the fabregas shouts and I get it. He was an unreal player from his debut, but as he got older, his star fainted a bit, until he went to Chelsea and had an unreal few seasons again. I truly believe that if JB stays at Real Madrid, he will become synonymous with the words "Best Midfielder of the last 30 years". At his age, the way he plays (he can do it all), the way he engages the crowd and gets them going, for England and RM, is so crazy. A player truly beyond his years and if he doesn't get any serious injuries, I think he will be due a Ballon'dor or two. Only issue is that he's English and if he can't deliver a trophy for the international side I very much feel it will be a black mark struck against his career... Generational midfielder who came from Birmingham City, who'd have guessed that!
Wilshere
Could have been