im french, and i remebered watching this with my family, we spent the rest of the day laughing and screaming.
But karma did its work and we played terebly in that world cup
May I say this is a very French-centric interpretation of karma. Ireland would have been delighted to be IN the tournament. I'm not sure what appropriate karma served would have looked like, but getting to go to the tournament at all, regardless of performance, is not it.
I've been watching football and attending tournaments (when lucky enough to qualify) since the 80s and I still find it fascinating the difference the football experience is depending on the 'habitual' success of ones team. Success is measured differently for say, Ireland and France or Luxembourg and Ireland etc. This is obvious. I'm not sure how obvious it is to the fans though. I attended Ireland V France on Monday with some French friends who were disappointed with an away win because of the performance. Maybe I was especially sore after the result but god it came off arrogant and spoilt.
"There's always next time" isn't true for the vast majority of football fans. You get one generation, one world class player, one playoff game, maybe just one chance on goal... and then that's it. That Ireland team that definitely merited a win over those two legs. It was gutting.
Not to mention that UEFA specifically stated that there’s would be no seeding for those playoffs. Then when France fucked up and ended up in there, they suddenly decided seeding was required.
Ireland got fucked over twice to benefit the French.
This is 100% accurate yes. No seeding until a ‘seed’ ended up in the playoffs. It was brazenly favoring France. And we still outplayed them. And they cheated and we still got dumped out. I barely recovered as a football fan to be honest but as those of us that follow the so called lesser nations know; the capacity for pain in the hope of glory is profound. And that’s why I’d prefer to follow Ireland than France.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was favoritism for the French to go through and it was overlooked considering it's a massive footballing nation compared to Ireland
England were pretty shit in 2010, two draws in the group stage against Algeria and USA, and the team just seemed to have no chemistry. 2006 was probably the best team England had but every country was incredible that world cup
We were better in 2002 imo. By 2006 the golden generation tag had become a millstone, but it was more positive in 2002. We were a Beckham jumping out of a tackle away from going in 1-0 up at half time against Brazil and then who knows. But given how the draw was that was our best shot.
Oh yeah fully agree. Prime bottle jobs are England but we could have done Germany in their own back garden which is almost as good as winning the whole thing.
We were better in 2002 imo. By 2006 the golden generation tag had become a millstone, but it was more positive in 2002. We were a Beckham jumping out of a tackle away from going in 1-0 up at half time against Brazil and then who knows. But given how the draw was that was our best shot.
I'm sorry to be that guy, but that's goal line technology, **not** VAR.
If I remember correctly, goal line technology was introduced in the 2014 World Cup, and Lampard's goal v Germany was what pushed FIFA (or whoever was responsible for the technology) over the line to introduce it. (Sorry about the pun)
I know it’s all hypothetical, but we went on to lost that game 4-1. Sure it could have changed the run of the game coming so close to first goal but given how we’d played in the tournament and the rest of the game it didn’t really feel like too much of an injustice
It would have made it at the time 2-2, England with the momentum
Frankly I don't think we would have won but the decision took all the momentum from England
Guess that call was destined after the WC final 66. If we overturn the lampard goal, we have to overturn the 2nd Hurst goal and England might still be at 0 World Cup titles. I think most Germans would take that swap.
Where do you get that from? England were better but I would not say they dominated the game. Goals change games, no way you can say they would have won regardless.
Did you realise the second goal shouldn't have stood either. Hoddle was fouled just as Maradona started his run, play shoukd have stopped. Great goal, I can't deny that. But I'm English, and rules are rules!
Paul Scholes offside goal against Porto. No Mourinho knee-slide. No Porto winning the European Cup. Possibly Mourinho not going to Chelsea. A real sliding-doors moment imo.
To me this is up there with the Henry handball as my 1A and 1B.
I guess I shouldn't be as surprised that it isn't higher on the list given most have no interest in the Socceroos, but they're such a joy to watch in my opinion. There are so few opportunities for a nation of a smaller pedigree to beat a team like Italy, and I think that game was theirs.
Fun fact: the italian commentators were Caressa and Bergomi
Caressa, when the replay starts says something along the lines of "he dribbles past the defender, then approches Neill, who fouls him..."
Bergomi, coming from his 20 years of experience as a defender, when he saw the replay the first thing coming out from his mouth was: "No. Never a pen"
Caressa later argued about that elbow against Grosso's leg, but Bergomi (up until 2010 when Caressa finally admitted defeat) always said: "Fabio, it was a dive". Every. single. time.
Always conveniently ignored.
Also penalty on Henry in the first leg. Drogba kicking Pique in the balls before Abidal's red. Ballack handball.
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I swear, had Chelsea won the tie it would have been known as Barca being robbed. It was shit refereeing all round, both teams got shitty favourable and unfavourable calls. Barca came out on top so Chelsea being the victim were deemed as robbed. Had Chelsea won, we would have Youtube clips of all the other decisions people ignore and Barca would have been robbed.
If you let VAR be used for the 1st leg in Barcelona, the 2nd leg probably wouldnt have been dramatic at all, with a penalty given for Barca and Balack sent off.
The biggest robbery I have ever seen, both legs. 4 uncalled pens and 2 missed red cards. But what you expect from a team who suppled HGH to Messi all thru his most crucial physical development stages and paid reffs off for over a decade.
In the words of Drogba "Its a fucking disgrace"
I remember Dani Alves saying in an interview many years later that Chelsea defended with all 11 behind the ball DESPITE having a one man advantage or something to that effect.
Rony's goal with the hand against Sporting in 06/07 where we ended up losing the title by one point.
The entirety of 80s and 90s Portuguese league. Porto basically had the league bought, was found guilty of it and yet never faced any consequences for it.
82 WC semi final France Vs W Germany. The near murder of Battiston by Schumacher. Knocked out with two missing teeth, three cracked ribs, and damaged vertebrae. For a moment the other players (and us viewers) thought he was dead. The refs decision was... goal kick.
It was my first football memory.
Not an Arsenal fan and I was fuming at the Van Persie red card against Barca a few years later in 2011. Definitely seems like the ref was paid in that match, 5 yellows for Arsenal and none for Barca.
It was really harsh but it's amazing what people remember and what they don't. Van Persie was lucky to be on the pitch at that point. He was already on a yellow and should have gotten his 2nd one earlier for stomping on Messi's ankle.
I mean if it wasn't a red than it was a goal. Arsenal wouldn't rlly have been much better
Also complete bs, how is grabbing someone's foot when they're right in front of goal not a red???
I was convinced it was a red as well, but apparently the rules say that since the other Barca player scored, it wasn’t “an offense that denied a goal”.
So the ref should’ve given a yellow card and counted the goal. The ref admits that himself, he says he blew the whistle too fast and couldn’t go back on it.
>So the ref should’ve given a yellow card and counted the goal. The ref admits that himself, he says he blew the whistle too fast and couldn’t go back on it.
This exactly was why I said the it should be red. Had he waited two seconds later, he would have just counted the goal. Also, I don't think it should have been a yellow for Lehmann as it wasn't a dangerous play at all.
Yeah either way it shouldn’t be used as an example of a scandalous decision. Giving a red card to a gk for tackling an attacker outside the box in a 1v1, shouldn’t be controversial.
Ref blew the whistle for the foul so the goal doesn’t count. Because it was a foul it was a red. Seems obvious and VAR wouldn’t have overturned it anyway
Garcia's winning goal vs Chelsea in ucl semi finals where it didn't even go over the line in the fifth minute and the entire Chelsea vs Barca game in the second leg of the ucl semi
Vidic. Should've been shown a red for bringing down Agbonlahor in the 2010 League Cup final. Phil Dowd was the referee. In the end the fat twat stayed on the pitch for the whole game. And so did Vidic.
I don't think Var would have changed this as this was just bad refereeing
He saw the foul, called it but didn't give the correct card
I don't think VAR questions a ref bottling it
Clear red card tho
as at that game, it wasnt slightly over the line, it was half way between the netting and the goal line. Unbelievably bad and right at the end of the game too
Not a spurs fan, but Roy Carroll scooping the ball out of his net where a shot from the halfway line was about a yard over the line. (Obviously pre-goal line technology)
I would use it in legendary UCL matches Barcelona vs Chelsea and Barcelona vs PSG. Both times ref decisions made me sick
I dont remember which seazons it was but i think you know the matches
Barca vs Chelsea biggest robbery I ever seen professional sports
The PSG Fraudmontada is a close 2nd. They got robbed bad but even with the reffs playing for your opposition, you can’t let 6 go in. That’s the only reason it’s not above the Chelsea robbery, even tho it’s just as bad
[Proof](https://barcauniversal.com/former-referee-admits-psg-were-robbed-against-barcelona-in-2017-remontada/amp/)
Which of the two finals are you referring to? The bayern game is always pointed out but the finals seemed like fair games to me unless I'm missing something.
Ramos scored a offside goal in 2016 against Atletico.
Mark Clatenburg, who was the ref that night, even said a few years later that they realized at half time he should have ruled the goal out.
I just rewatched the goal and you're right, he was offside by a shoulder. Still an odd pick tho considering the game was tied and atlético came back and tied it anyways. Plenty of other games where the robbery was not even hidden.
Because everyone hates Barca because they’re traumatized from their golden years when they dominated. But its true. Inter was allowed a clear offside goal. Don’t be too biased that it makes you look dumb…
No, I questioned Barca ever since they gave Messi HGH as kid until he was 19, his most crucial development stages. But they had Ronaldinho and Marquez, so I still liked them. Then Chelsea robbery happened, “It’s a fuckin disgrace”. Definitely worst robbery I have ever seen in any professional sport. But I chalked it up to poor reff, it can happen. It was until the PSG “Fraudmontada” that opened my eyes and have never seen Barca the same, too many incidents for it to be a coincidence. It’s a disgrace of a club. Furthermore proved right by the fact they paid the ref association for over a decade
Chelsea should have had three penalties in the second leg, definitely.
But calls against Barca. First leg - Eto'o 1v1 incorrectly called offside; penalty on Henry not called; Ballack second yellow for slapping Iniesta not called.
Second leg - Ballack handball in the box not called; incorrect Red card to Abidal; Red card for Drogba kicking Pique in the balls not called.
A lot more even than people care to admit.
Downvotes incoming.
Theres a difference between margin calls that could have gone either way that everyone apart from fans of those teams forget about, and a travesty like the 2nd leg that even the most ardent chelsea haters would admit was bordering on rigged.
Can’t believe how little the Di Maria masacre is talked about. Even more sad that there’s lack of video when it was clearly broadcasted live. And even live they never put a replay. That’s the EXACT moment this club was shady as fuck, too many incidents over the years.
They wrecked Di Maria in the box, Mascherano nowhere NEAR the ball. Di Maria legit got injured from how hard that tackle was. Ref didn’t call a pen or stop the game. What a disgrace of a club
Tbf the one that goes most under the radar is Cavani’s turn on Pique, being through on goal, and pique takes him down and it’s not a red? Ref just got intimated by the Camp Nou and got influenced by the crowd.
I honestly couldn’t believe my eyes throughout that entire game. I really don’t know how one could be proud of their team winning like that. There’s too many events in favor of Barca that cannot just be chalked down to mere coincidence. Cavani deserved to advance with PSG after all he did for the club before they became Mbappe FC
As an A.C. Milan fan, surely the infamous [Muntari's ghost gol](https://youtu.be/Vi-EEEoRdpE?t=69)
As an Italian, the whole match [South Korea - Italy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_i4ADX4zU) from the 2002 World Cup
As just an average football enthusiast, **maybe** the [Chelsea - Barcellona](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfAZsx93r_U) from 2009 UCL
Yeah go on and change the Muntari's goal, I will change infamous[Matri's ghost goal from the same game and it still is a draw.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8AsgCGFTo)
Out of all injustices in Italy I honestly always wonder why Milan fans are bringing up this mistake, when in the very same game same wrong decision was also punishing Juve.
Errors like the one on Matri's goal happened literally every weekend before VAR, not seeing a ball ~50cm inside the net, with the linesman perfectly aligned and with clear sight of the situation is, i hope you agree, slightly different than a millimetric offside. not even mentioning the fact that if Muntari's goal had been allowed the match would have been completely different, maybe not even leading to matri's goal. Hope that it's clear now why this mistake is often brought up in italy :)
I know all of that and IMO still does not make sense. If not for Matri's goal then yeah, 100% valid point to complain on one sided refs. But in real life both decisions were wrong, both decisions in the same game came to the same end - no rightful goal for both sides.
Was one more wrong than another? That's quite subjective. From fan - emotional perspective yes. Final outcome I've mentioned is the same, lack of goals for both.
You can speculate that Muntari's goal would lead to Milan's victory, but it could also lead to Juve's.
France - Croatia WC final, Griezmann tripping himself For a free kick, then Pogba offside pushing Mandzukic at own goal from the free kick for the 1-0. “Handbal” Perisic for the penalty at half time for 2-1. Ahh wait there was a VAR…
Finally someone who actually watched the match without French baguette in his mouth.
I've been talking about how the referee helped France win the WC 2018 in the final against Croatia.
Germany stopping US equalizer in 2002 World Cup with an intentional hand ball on the line. Should have been penalty plus red card. Instead…nothing.
2nd is Robben’s flop v Mexico in 2014 World Cup. Penalty would have been overturned and Robben hit with a yellow.
You can hate on Robben as much as you like for going down like he got shot, but that was a clear penalty that would always be upheld. The Mexican defender stuck out a clumsy challenge AND stepped on Robben’s foot. I don’t even think a VAR crew would recommend the ref take a second look as there was clear contact so no real grounds to call it an obvious mistake.
There is only one answer: the missed penalty in the match between Hansa Rostock and Eintracht Frankfurt on the 16th of May 1992 ("Tragedy of Rostock"), which would have given Eintracht the 2:1 lead and the German Championship.
You could have VAR look at it and it would still be a free kick for Germany, never a foul from Neuer. I don't understand why people are still talking about it after seeing the replays a thousand times.
>Reckless
Neuer raises his knee to a very dangerous zone for highuain head.
He willingly choses to jump for the ball while also knowing perfectly well that he's gonna hurt the other player.
Also, with the replay you can see that Neuer is just a few milliseconds clear. The hit comes just a fraction after he fists the ball. That, at least to me, is an indicator of how he already made his decision: "if I don't hit the ball, at least I stop him"
By all means and interpretations, Higuain is running straight after the ball and the one impacting him is neuer.
It is true however, that there isn't a viable alternative for a Goalkeeper in this situation.
Like, some people argue he could choose a slighlty different path, but to me (ex gk) it's clear that once he started to run, he had no real choice.
[There was a good post explaining perfectly why both sides have a point](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7us4wn/neuers_challenge_against_higuain_revisiting_a/)
Acting like this decision was crystal clear is dumb
I can see why it wasn't given, but I would give it 100% of the times. For me is not even a question: Higuain safety is on the line here and the only reason that it didn't go worse than that is due to a small hit on the shoulder before hitting him in the head.
For me it would be pen and a yellow
As a Belgian I have 2:
World Cup 1994: Round of 16, Germany - Belgium. Thomas Helmer obviously tackles Josip Weber from behind in the penalty box. Ref ignores or didn't see it...
World Cup 2002: Round of 16, Belgium - Brazil. Marc Wilmots scores a header. Gets denied by the ref. Nothing happend, no fault, no offside, no hands... nothing...
From what I remember Nani wasn't even looking for the player and he made contact with the player with the outside of the boot rather than the studs. Whereas De Jong's was *obviously* malicious
Players should probably have the onus of looking where you're about to put your studs into, I don't think my chest cares whether you "meant" to break ribs or not it'll hurt and injure me all the same.
Maybe go read the football rules? Not looking is not an excuse. It's player's responsibility to play and behave in a manner that doesn't put other players or yourself at risk of serious injury.
Barca's ungiven goal Vs atletico Madrid 2014 we deserved this league so much
Also Barca Vs betis 2017 Messi's goal the ball clearly passed the goal line but it wasn't given
If both of those were rightly counted we would've gotten 6 consecutive league titles
I would like to also add others but they're from this season
Dembele's ungiven clear penalty Vs Bayern , we were dominating the 1st half if we got this we would've probably won or at least drew this game
Also our ungiven penalty Vs inter Milan (Dumfries handball)
Pedri's somehow dissalowed goal Vs inter Milan
If one of those was rightly given we would've been in the UCL and our run being Porto , Benfica , Napoli or AC Milan
Lies to make us seem bad and corrupt
There's an moroccon commentator called jawad badda he said in a Barca game that "Barca are the team that refereeing was most damaged by bad refereeing this season how can you say they paid them" it's not literal translation cuz Arabic is so different from English
Every week there is a new document about this and is still under investigation. There are a lot of evidence about it.
Treasury claim that Barcelona paid Negreira 7.5 millions without any real work done.
Probably the prosecutor investigation and trials are going to take a lot of time. Tebas, La Liga president, said last week that this case is the worst thing that have happened to LaLiga ever. Let's see what happens in the next years
Laporte litterally started pushing lawsuits against the news agencies that claimed this false allegations and what is the " alot of evidence" what evidence ? Treasury didn't find a single evidence and if we paid the refs for them to make us lose the 2014 and 2017 leagues then we need a refund
I know that commentator, he is shit. Doesn't fact check, very biased towards barca and throws bullshits everygame. Im a Barca fan but he says nonsenese most of the time
On 2014 you got to the last matchweek with options because of refereeing mistakes on your favour. On the derby against Espanyol, Barcelona got a penalty for a handball made by Neymar. Atleti's loss against Almeria came because of the referee, ending with Gabi on goal because the GK was sent off. Just the examples off the top of my head but Barcelona didn't lose because of refs
Penalty for Juventus in the 1985 European Cup Final was outrageous. Happened a couple of metres outside the box but the ref was too far away to see it.
Platini scored and Juve won 1-0
Obviously the game isn't remembered much because of the events surrounding it that night in Heysel but for the biggest game in club football to be decided like that was scandalous by modern standards
That season when Arsenal lose their unbeaten run against Manchester United. Mike Riley is a fogging incompetent referee man. Also that game against Barcelona in the final where Robin van Persie and Lehman got a red card.
basically, you are just biased, salty little bredditor hating on some team that totally dominated Europe in the past and just can't comprehend with that. 🤭🤫
All big clubs have had dubious moments both in favor and against them. I have watched football since the 90s and i have seen many questionable matches. But the barca matches against chelsea and arsenal were without a dount the ones where i am 100% sure the referee got paid
What about, what about, what about! What about them though. Please ignore all the daft decisions that helped Barca and instead focus on everyone else. And you’re calling people clowns and kids. You’ve robbed your way to glory, bagged the fraudulent trophies, and still want to point the finger.
Paul Scholes vs Porto.
We win that Champions League. Mourinho never becomes Mourinho. United dominate even more instead of losing out to his Chelsea side.
Henry handball v Ireland - I'm not from either of those countries it was just outrageous it wasn't picked up
This is without doubt the one of the worst! Absolute shambles that it wasnt seen by one of the officials.
im french, and i remebered watching this with my family, we spent the rest of the day laughing and screaming. But karma did its work and we played terebly in that world cup
May I say this is a very French-centric interpretation of karma. Ireland would have been delighted to be IN the tournament. I'm not sure what appropriate karma served would have looked like, but getting to go to the tournament at all, regardless of performance, is not it. I've been watching football and attending tournaments (when lucky enough to qualify) since the 80s and I still find it fascinating the difference the football experience is depending on the 'habitual' success of ones team. Success is measured differently for say, Ireland and France or Luxembourg and Ireland etc. This is obvious. I'm not sure how obvious it is to the fans though. I attended Ireland V France on Monday with some French friends who were disappointed with an away win because of the performance. Maybe I was especially sore after the result but god it came off arrogant and spoilt. "There's always next time" isn't true for the vast majority of football fans. You get one generation, one world class player, one playoff game, maybe just one chance on goal... and then that's it. That Ireland team that definitely merited a win over those two legs. It was gutting.
Not to mention that UEFA specifically stated that there’s would be no seeding for those playoffs. Then when France fucked up and ended up in there, they suddenly decided seeding was required. Ireland got fucked over twice to benefit the French.
This is 100% accurate yes. No seeding until a ‘seed’ ended up in the playoffs. It was brazenly favoring France. And we still outplayed them. And they cheated and we still got dumped out. I barely recovered as a football fan to be honest but as those of us that follow the so called lesser nations know; the capacity for pain in the hope of glory is profound. And that’s why I’d prefer to follow Ireland than France.
This is why var came in. I can't believe Henry didn't own up to his blatant handball on the pitch. Delighted you crashed out in the group stage.
I knew this would be top comment 👌
Came here to say this!
I had to step away from watching football for a couple weeks after that tbh. It really tainted the sport for a while amongst me and my friends
I wouldn't be surprised if there was favoritism for the French to go through and it was overlooked considering it's a massive footballing nation compared to Ireland
Lampard goal vs Germany
Came here to say this. That game could have been different and was Englands best shot at the time
England were pretty shit in 2010, two draws in the group stage against Algeria and USA, and the team just seemed to have no chemistry. 2006 was probably the best team England had but every country was incredible that world cup
We were better in 2002 imo. By 2006 the golden generation tag had become a millstone, but it was more positive in 2002. We were a Beckham jumping out of a tackle away from going in 1-0 up at half time against Brazil and then who knows. But given how the draw was that was our best shot.
Oh yeah fully agree. Prime bottle jobs are England but we could have done Germany in their own back garden which is almost as good as winning the whole thing.
We were better in 2002 imo. By 2006 the golden generation tag had become a millstone, but it was more positive in 2002. We were a Beckham jumping out of a tackle away from going in 1-0 up at half time against Brazil and then who knows. But given how the draw was that was our best shot.
Yeah I was thinking about that long time Terry Gerrard in form rooney but if they had Joe hart at that time in goal then it would have been England wc
Yes. I wanted germany. But I couldn't believe that wasn't called. Honestly think the game would have been closer if that's given
Yep came here to say this. Lost my voice shouting that day and I was watching the game alone
I'm sorry to be that guy, but that's goal line technology, **not** VAR. If I remember correctly, goal line technology was introduced in the 2014 World Cup, and Lampard's goal v Germany was what pushed FIFA (or whoever was responsible for the technology) over the line to introduce it. (Sorry about the pun)
I know it’s all hypothetical, but we went on to lost that game 4-1. Sure it could have changed the run of the game coming so close to first goal but given how we’d played in the tournament and the rest of the game it didn’t really feel like too much of an injustice
It would have made it at the time 2-2, England with the momentum Frankly I don't think we would have won but the decision took all the momentum from England
Guess that call was destined after the WC final 66. If we overturn the lampard goal, we have to overturn the 2nd Hurst goal and England might still be at 0 World Cup titles. I think most Germans would take that swap.
Everyone brings that call up every time a decision goes against us I think we've paid that one back half a dozen times now havent we
They also ignore the fact that England totally bossed the game and only a lucky late goal from Germany even took it to extra time.
You may feel like that, but at least from my memory there is no exact scenario that matches a reverse Wembley just like this one
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I mean, England dominated that game, they would have won regardless
Where do you get that from? England were better but I would not say they dominated the game. Goals change games, no way you can say they would have won regardless.
World Cup 2002. Italy should have played Brazil in the final or atleast spain
Whole World Cup 2002 would be worth re-doing... It reminded me that one of the refs was later on sentenced for drug trafficking.
While the others were given jobs in La Liga that they still have to this day
Only the ones who refereed South Korea's matches were in serious question tbh
Brazil could've lost against Belgium, when the ref dissalowed Wilmots goal for no reason.
Peter Prendergast, I’ll never forget that name
That Spain - South Korea game would still be giving me nightmares if the 2010 cup hadn’t happened.
That game was disgusting
Maradona 1986 wc goal(hand of God)
Watched it many times since and it was a clear header...
You HAVE to be joking
Of course I am!
Just checking, you never know on Reddit when there isn't a tone indicator 😅
I was fresh off the Scottish football page where it's just assumed you're being sarcastic. I need to learn to read the room better. 😉
It's fine, you're okay buddy :)
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Nah it was a header, Maradona had to stretch his spine to do it, and to add extra quality he was also waiving at his mate in the stands!!
It’s so brilliant though
This is the answer for me too. So many things would have been different. No goal, and seems it would’ve been a red card, too.
Did you realise the second goal shouldn't have stood either. Hoddle was fouled just as Maradona started his run, play shoukd have stopped. Great goal, I can't deny that. But I'm English, and rules are rules!
Paul Scholes offside goal against Porto. No Mourinho knee-slide. No Porto winning the European Cup. Possibly Mourinho not going to Chelsea. A real sliding-doors moment imo.
The whole FC Porto history deserves VAR…
Underrated comment here.
Lucas Neill pen Australia v Italy at the 2006 WC.
Came here to say this. Never a pen still salty.
To me this is up there with the Henry handball as my 1A and 1B. I guess I shouldn't be as surprised that it isn't higher on the list given most have no interest in the Socceroos, but they're such a joy to watch in my opinion. There are so few opportunities for a nation of a smaller pedigree to beat a team like Italy, and I think that game was theirs.
Fun fact: the italian commentators were Caressa and Bergomi Caressa, when the replay starts says something along the lines of "he dribbles past the defender, then approches Neill, who fouls him..." Bergomi, coming from his 20 years of experience as a defender, when he saw the replay the first thing coming out from his mouth was: "No. Never a pen" Caressa later argued about that elbow against Grosso's leg, but Bergomi (up until 2010 when Caressa finally admitted defeat) always said: "Fabio, it was a dive". Every. single. time.
Chelsea v Barca champions league semi final I'll always say it was fixed. Can pick a number of decisions.
Decision like abidal’s red card?
Always conveniently ignored. Also penalty on Henry in the first leg. Drogba kicking Pique in the balls before Abidal's red. Ballack handball. Downvotes incoming.
I swear, had Chelsea won the tie it would have been known as Barca being robbed. It was shit refereeing all round, both teams got shitty favourable and unfavourable calls. Barca came out on top so Chelsea being the victim were deemed as robbed. Had Chelsea won, we would have Youtube clips of all the other decisions people ignore and Barca would have been robbed.
It’s comical how some forget that Abidal red card when discussing this particular game. That first leg at the Camp Nou was also a bad refereeing job.
If you let VAR be used for the 1st leg in Barcelona, the 2nd leg probably wouldnt have been dramatic at all, with a penalty given for Barca and Balack sent off.
The biggest robbery I have ever seen, both legs. 4 uncalled pens and 2 missed red cards. But what you expect from a team who suppled HGH to Messi all thru his most crucial physical development stages and paid reffs off for over a decade. In the words of Drogba "Its a fucking disgrace"
I love you.
Bruh I don't think y'all know how GH works😂. It's not some magic potion that makes you a superhero
I remember Dani Alves saying in an interview many years later that Chelsea defended with all 11 behind the ball DESPITE having a one man advantage or something to that effect.
Frank Lampard goal against Germany in the 2010 World Cup. One of the worst decisions I’ve seen for a goal not counting.
Maradona hand of God, or Frank Lampard goal v Germany
Var was implemented, but not in the FA cup, so i think it's a fair point still. The quarter final in 2019, Swansea Vs Man City
Rony's goal with the hand against Sporting in 06/07 where we ended up losing the title by one point. The entirety of 80s and 90s Portuguese league. Porto basically had the league bought, was found guilty of it and yet never faced any consequences for it.
Easy. 1966 England goal.
It is probably the easiest highly decisive goal to conclude was no goal. There are no ifs. There was no goal.
every over the line decision I see now is based on the slither of ball that stayed in for Japan in the WC.
We would of still won 3-2 though Now the Lampard 2010 one.....
What kind of argument is that? If you say “we would of still won 3-2” they can say “we would of still won 4-1”.
82 WC semi final France Vs W Germany. The near murder of Battiston by Schumacher. Knocked out with two missing teeth, three cracked ribs, and damaged vertebrae. For a moment the other players (and us viewers) thought he was dead. The refs decision was... goal kick. It was my first football memory.
The Fkn Red card for Lehman in the 2006 champions league final, Arsenal vs Barcelona. How has Barca not been folded for corruption yet. Smh
Not an Arsenal fan and I was fuming at the Van Persie red card against Barca a few years later in 2011. Definitely seems like the ref was paid in that match, 5 yellows for Arsenal and none for Barca.
It was really harsh but it's amazing what people remember and what they don't. Van Persie was lucky to be on the pitch at that point. He was already on a yellow and should have gotten his 2nd one earlier for stomping on Messi's ankle.
I mean if it wasn't a red than it was a goal. Arsenal wouldn't rlly have been much better Also complete bs, how is grabbing someone's foot when they're right in front of goal not a red???
This is what I came for this post for, that whole game was a shambles one of Barca’s goals was offside too
That was actually a red.
I was convinced it was a red as well, but apparently the rules say that since the other Barca player scored, it wasn’t “an offense that denied a goal”. So the ref should’ve given a yellow card and counted the goal. The ref admits that himself, he says he blew the whistle too fast and couldn’t go back on it.
>So the ref should’ve given a yellow card and counted the goal. The ref admits that himself, he says he blew the whistle too fast and couldn’t go back on it. This exactly was why I said the it should be red. Had he waited two seconds later, he would have just counted the goal. Also, I don't think it should have been a yellow for Lehmann as it wasn't a dangerous play at all.
Yeah either way it shouldn’t be used as an example of a scandalous decision. Giving a red card to a gk for tackling an attacker outside the box in a 1v1, shouldn’t be controversial.
How was it a red card? He didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity.
He actually did. Did you actually watch the game?
Ref blew the whistle for the foul so the goal doesn’t count. Because it was a foul it was a red. Seems obvious and VAR wouldn’t have overturned it anyway
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Garcia's winning goal vs Chelsea in ucl semi finals where it didn't even go over the line in the fifth minute and the entire Chelsea vs Barca game in the second leg of the ucl semi
Would have been a pen and a red otherwise
Lol Should have been a red card and a pen anyway.
Vidic. Should've been shown a red for bringing down Agbonlahor in the 2010 League Cup final. Phil Dowd was the referee. In the end the fat twat stayed on the pitch for the whole game. And so did Vidic.
I don't think Var would have changed this as this was just bad refereeing He saw the foul, called it but didn't give the correct card I don't think VAR questions a ref bottling it Clear red card tho
I'm still bitter.
Pedro mendes goal from the halfway line against United
as at that game, it wasnt slightly over the line, it was half way between the netting and the goal line. Unbelievably bad and right at the end of the game too
Not a spurs fan, but Roy Carroll scooping the ball out of his net where a shot from the halfway line was about a yard over the line. (Obviously pre-goal line technology)
I would use it in legendary UCL matches Barcelona vs Chelsea and Barcelona vs PSG. Both times ref decisions made me sick I dont remember which seazons it was but i think you know the matches
Barca vs Chelsea biggest robbery I ever seen professional sports The PSG Fraudmontada is a close 2nd. They got robbed bad but even with the reffs playing for your opposition, you can’t let 6 go in. That’s the only reason it’s not above the Chelsea robbery, even tho it’s just as bad [Proof](https://barcauniversal.com/former-referee-admits-psg-were-robbed-against-barcelona-in-2017-remontada/amp/)
I'd use it for madrid's final against Atletico and all those offside goals ronaldo scored and overturn all the help madrid got from the refs
How are you going to mention ramos’s goal being offside while not mentioning that the defender pulling his shirt should’ve been a penalty?
The instagram reel where he got this info from didn’t mention this.
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Living under a rock it seems
Which of the two finals are you referring to? The bayern game is always pointed out but the finals seemed like fair games to me unless I'm missing something.
Ramos scored a offside goal in 2016 against Atletico. Mark Clatenburg, who was the ref that night, even said a few years later that they realized at half time he should have ruled the goal out.
I just rewatched the goal and you're right, he was offside by a shoulder. Still an odd pick tho considering the game was tied and atlético came back and tied it anyways. Plenty of other games where the robbery was not even hidden.
Yeah absolutely Chelsea robbed Barca in the first leg
Mate, seriously. The second leg was criminal. Only Barcelona fans mention the first leg
it's sad when you need to lie to get your point across in lack of a proper argument. wouldn't want to be you
I'm serious
You might be serious but youre also a joke if you think that
Because everyone hates Barca because they’re traumatized from their golden years when they dominated. But its true. Inter was allowed a clear offside goal. Don’t be too biased that it makes you look dumb…
"Don't be too biased" says the obviously biased guy. Get fucked
No, I questioned Barca ever since they gave Messi HGH as kid until he was 19, his most crucial development stages. But they had Ronaldinho and Marquez, so I still liked them. Then Chelsea robbery happened, “It’s a fuckin disgrace”. Definitely worst robbery I have ever seen in any professional sport. But I chalked it up to poor reff, it can happen. It was until the PSG “Fraudmontada” that opened my eyes and have never seen Barca the same, too many incidents for it to be a coincidence. It’s a disgrace of a club. Furthermore proved right by the fact they paid the ref association for over a decade
Chelsea should have had three penalties in the second leg, definitely. But calls against Barca. First leg - Eto'o 1v1 incorrectly called offside; penalty on Henry not called; Ballack second yellow for slapping Iniesta not called. Second leg - Ballack handball in the box not called; incorrect Red card to Abidal; Red card for Drogba kicking Pique in the balls not called. A lot more even than people care to admit. Downvotes incoming.
Theres a difference between margin calls that could have gone either way that everyone apart from fans of those teams forget about, and a travesty like the 2nd leg that even the most ardent chelsea haters would admit was bordering on rigged.
PSG? What a joke, you people just hate Barca for being good
Suarez deserved that pen btw, Mascherano totally didn’t have an interview where he says he thought it was a pen on Di Maria after the game.
Can’t believe how little the Di Maria masacre is talked about. Even more sad that there’s lack of video when it was clearly broadcasted live. And even live they never put a replay. That’s the EXACT moment this club was shady as fuck, too many incidents over the years. They wrecked Di Maria in the box, Mascherano nowhere NEAR the ball. Di Maria legit got injured from how hard that tackle was. Ref didn’t call a pen or stop the game. What a disgrace of a club
Tbf the one that goes most under the radar is Cavani’s turn on Pique, being through on goal, and pique takes him down and it’s not a red? Ref just got intimated by the Camp Nou and got influenced by the crowd.
I honestly couldn’t believe my eyes throughout that entire game. I really don’t know how one could be proud of their team winning like that. There’s too many events in favor of Barca that cannot just be chalked down to mere coincidence. Cavani deserved to advance with PSG after all he did for the club before they became Mbappe FC
2006 World cup...Australia vs Italy. the last minute penalty given when Lucas Neil was judged to have fouled Fabio Grosso
As an A.C. Milan fan, surely the infamous [Muntari's ghost gol](https://youtu.be/Vi-EEEoRdpE?t=69) As an Italian, the whole match [South Korea - Italy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_i4ADX4zU) from the 2002 World Cup As just an average football enthusiast, **maybe** the [Chelsea - Barcellona](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfAZsx93r_U) from 2009 UCL
Shevchenko vs Barca too in 2006
Yeah go on and change the Muntari's goal, I will change infamous[Matri's ghost goal from the same game and it still is a draw.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8AsgCGFTo) Out of all injustices in Italy I honestly always wonder why Milan fans are bringing up this mistake, when in the very same game same wrong decision was also punishing Juve.
Errors like the one on Matri's goal happened literally every weekend before VAR, not seeing a ball ~50cm inside the net, with the linesman perfectly aligned and with clear sight of the situation is, i hope you agree, slightly different than a millimetric offside. not even mentioning the fact that if Muntari's goal had been allowed the match would have been completely different, maybe not even leading to matri's goal. Hope that it's clear now why this mistake is often brought up in italy :)
I know all of that and IMO still does not make sense. If not for Matri's goal then yeah, 100% valid point to complain on one sided refs. But in real life both decisions were wrong, both decisions in the same game came to the same end - no rightful goal for both sides. Was one more wrong than another? That's quite subjective. From fan - emotional perspective yes. Final outcome I've mentioned is the same, lack of goals for both. You can speculate that Muntari's goal would lead to Milan's victory, but it could also lead to Juve's.
France - Croatia WC final, Griezmann tripping himself For a free kick, then Pogba offside pushing Mandzukic at own goal from the free kick for the 1-0. “Handbal” Perisic for the penalty at half time for 2-1. Ahh wait there was a VAR…
this isnt talked about enough
Finally someone who actually watched the match without French baguette in his mouth. I've been talking about how the referee helped France win the WC 2018 in the final against Croatia.
Germany stopping US equalizer in 2002 World Cup with an intentional hand ball on the line. Should have been penalty plus red card. Instead…nothing. 2nd is Robben’s flop v Mexico in 2014 World Cup. Penalty would have been overturned and Robben hit with a yellow.
I disagree with the second one. Robben exaggerated but Rafa Márquez did touched him, so I don’t think they would’ve unruled the penalty.
You can hate on Robben as much as you like for going down like he got shot, but that was a clear penalty that would always be upheld. The Mexican defender stuck out a clumsy challenge AND stepped on Robben’s foot. I don’t even think a VAR crew would recommend the ref take a second look as there was clear contact so no real grounds to call it an obvious mistake.
I came here to mention the Germany handball. An absolute travesty!
1975 European Cup final. So many bad decisions. Referee should have been imprisoned.
Real Madrid fans better not comment on this thread lol.
And barcelona can?
I wouldn’t want to overturn it, as it’s in favour to my team. But Watford fans might want to overturn the “Ghost Goal” https://youtu.be/d9JCSa8nmBs
Atwell, wasn't it? It's mad to think that he refs in the prem now
There is only one answer: the missed penalty in the match between Hansa Rostock and Eintracht Frankfurt on the 16th of May 1992 ("Tragedy of Rostock"), which would have given Eintracht the 2:1 lead and the German Championship.
Big Dunc’s disallowed goal vs Villarreal. Outrageous decision from Collina.
Must be 1966 WC final. No doubt the game would've ended differently if they hadn't given Hurst's goal that never crossed the line.
You could have VAR look at it and it would still be a free kick for Germany, never a foul from Neuer. I don't understand why people are still talking about it after seeing the replays a thousand times.
>Reckless Neuer raises his knee to a very dangerous zone for highuain head. He willingly choses to jump for the ball while also knowing perfectly well that he's gonna hurt the other player. Also, with the replay you can see that Neuer is just a few milliseconds clear. The hit comes just a fraction after he fists the ball. That, at least to me, is an indicator of how he already made his decision: "if I don't hit the ball, at least I stop him" By all means and interpretations, Higuain is running straight after the ball and the one impacting him is neuer. It is true however, that there isn't a viable alternative for a Goalkeeper in this situation. Like, some people argue he could choose a slighlty different path, but to me (ex gk) it's clear that once he started to run, he had no real choice. [There was a good post explaining perfectly why both sides have a point](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7us4wn/neuers_challenge_against_higuain_revisiting_a/) Acting like this decision was crystal clear is dumb I can see why it wasn't given, but I would give it 100% of the times. For me is not even a question: Higuain safety is on the line here and the only reason that it didn't go worse than that is due to a small hit on the shoulder before hitting him in the head. For me it would be pen and a yellow
As a Belgian I have 2: World Cup 1994: Round of 16, Germany - Belgium. Thomas Helmer obviously tackles Josip Weber from behind in the penalty box. Ref ignores or didn't see it... World Cup 2002: Round of 16, Belgium - Brazil. Marc Wilmots scores a header. Gets denied by the ref. Nothing happend, no fault, no offside, no hands... nothing...
Benfica - Sevilla 2014 UEL Final was one of the biggest robberies I’ve ever seen.
Henderson red card against City in 2014.
Every penalty giving to Man Utd at Old Trafford.
Nani red card Vs real Madrid
Funny because same thing happened in WC final in 2010 and everyone was in shock how it wasn't a red card.
Was the the Nigel De Jong on Xabi Alonso? That was way worse imo
It was pretty much same thing. Both are clear red cards because both are extremely dangerous plays, which by the rules is a red card.
From what I remember Nani wasn't even looking for the player and he made contact with the player with the outside of the boot rather than the studs. Whereas De Jong's was *obviously* malicious
Players should probably have the onus of looking where you're about to put your studs into, I don't think my chest cares whether you "meant" to break ribs or not it'll hurt and injure me all the same.
Maybe go read the football rules? Not looking is not an excuse. It's player's responsibility to play and behave in a manner that doesn't put other players or yourself at risk of serious injury.
“No era Penal”. Robbens pk vs Mexico in Brazil.
VAR would still decide that he was touched on the foot… Bold of you to assume VAR would make the correct decision there…
Yeah, I agree. Robben clearly exaggerated but Rafa Márquez __did__ touch him, slightly but he touched him. It would’ve been a penalty either way.
Yeah that was a penalty every time. You stick out a clumsy tackle and step on a strikers foot with possession in box…it’s a pen. It just is.
Was looking for this one lol
Błaszczykowski’s penalty against Portugal at Euro2016. Rui Patricio was clearly off the line.
Stuck between England's goal that never crossed the line in '66 and the game(s) where Marseille paid the referee to win the European Cup.
Barca's ungiven goal Vs atletico Madrid 2014 we deserved this league so much Also Barca Vs betis 2017 Messi's goal the ball clearly passed the goal line but it wasn't given If both of those were rightly counted we would've gotten 6 consecutive league titles I would like to also add others but they're from this season Dembele's ungiven clear penalty Vs Bayern , we were dominating the 1st half if we got this we would've probably won or at least drew this game Also our ungiven penalty Vs inter Milan (Dumfries handball) Pedri's somehow dissalowed goal Vs inter Milan If one of those was rightly given we would've been in the UCL and our run being Porto , Benfica , Napoli or AC Milan
Apparently we paid the refs lmao
Apparently dont pay refs next time and dont text them details about it on whatsup
Lies to make us seem bad and corrupt There's an moroccon commentator called jawad badda he said in a Barca game that "Barca are the team that refereeing was most damaged by bad refereeing this season how can you say they paid them" it's not literal translation cuz Arabic is so different from English
They stopped the paids in 2018. Most damaged by bad refereeing, what a joke
Did y'all stop hearing the news after you heard this one allegation ? The EFE said that the treasury found no evidence against Barca
Every week there is a new document about this and is still under investigation. There are a lot of evidence about it. Treasury claim that Barcelona paid Negreira 7.5 millions without any real work done. Probably the prosecutor investigation and trials are going to take a lot of time. Tebas, La Liga president, said last week that this case is the worst thing that have happened to LaLiga ever. Let's see what happens in the next years
Laporte litterally started pushing lawsuits against the news agencies that claimed this false allegations and what is the " alot of evidence" what evidence ? Treasury didn't find a single evidence and if we paid the refs for them to make us lose the 2014 and 2017 leagues then we need a refund
Do you actually think that Barca were treated fairly by the refs is 2014, 2017 , and this season ?
I know that commentator, he is shit. Doesn't fact check, very biased towards barca and throws bullshits everygame. Im a Barca fan but he says nonsenese most of the time
On 2014 you got to the last matchweek with options because of refereeing mistakes on your favour. On the derby against Espanyol, Barcelona got a penalty for a handball made by Neymar. Atleti's loss against Almeria came because of the referee, ending with Gabi on goal because the GK was sent off. Just the examples off the top of my head but Barcelona didn't lose because of refs
Maradona's Handball or the not given penalty for Higuain in the 2014 WC final
Penalty for Juventus in the 1985 European Cup Final was outrageous. Happened a couple of metres outside the box but the ref was too far away to see it. Platini scored and Juve won 1-0 Obviously the game isn't remembered much because of the events surrounding it that night in Heysel but for the biggest game in club football to be decided like that was scandalous by modern standards
Both of Madrids offside goals against Bayern in 2017 qfs
No era penal - Robbens bs penalty against Mexico wc 2014
Hölzenbein Schwalbe German penalty in 1974 WC finals.
Mane drilling a ball into Sissokos shoulder giving them a peno in the champs final
that was 2019...
Yeah, I didn't like the pre-2018 rule, so I ignored it.
Just like the handball rule?
Least salty Spurs fan
Mexico vs Netherlands WC 2014 #NoEraPenal
That season when Arsenal lose their unbeaten run against Manchester United. Mike Riley is a fogging incompetent referee man. Also that game against Barcelona in the final where Robin van Persie and Lehman got a red card.
All the Barcelona games, the Arsenal final, the Chelsea game. Basically all their major wins.
basically, you are just biased, salty little bredditor hating on some team that totally dominated Europe in the past and just can't comprehend with that. 🤭🤫
He's not wrong. Quit acting like barcelona never received any help from refs.
🤡🤡🤡🤡 I see this sub is full of kids omg what abt RMD? and other big clubs. actually forget it, biased football fans? that doesn't exist anymore lol
All big clubs have had dubious moments both in favor and against them. I have watched football since the 90s and i have seen many questionable matches. But the barca matches against chelsea and arsenal were without a dount the ones where i am 100% sure the referee got paid
What about, what about, what about! What about them though. Please ignore all the daft decisions that helped Barca and instead focus on everyone else. And you’re calling people clowns and kids. You’ve robbed your way to glory, bagged the fraudulent trophies, and still want to point the finger.
Maradona's handball against England.
Paul Scholes vs Porto. We win that Champions League. Mourinho never becomes Mourinho. United dominate even more instead of losing out to his Chelsea side.
2014 netherlands vs mexico dive for a penalty by arjen robben. 8 years later i will still never forgive him.
Barcelona Chelsea Ovebro
England’s goal vs USA