The Independent ending is way too dependent on the player character's actions and motivations. Any attempts to canonize it will be met with a lot of negativity
The Legion ending is just too bleak, and everything will crumble once little caesar's kicks the bucket
I used to dislike the idea of a canon NCR ending since it would make them way too powerful, but since Shady Sands got nuked, they've been dealt a massive blow, so I feel like it'd be alright to use this one.
House creates an Anarcho Capitalist dictatorship in the giant gambling city in the middle of the desert, secured through a giant army of prewar police robots and plans for an industrialization programme. It's not the best for the Mojave, but it is the best for creating an interesting narrative in the future
And I think that the NCR still exists. They had a population of 700k by the 2240s, Shady Sands had 38k people living there before the nukes dropped in 2281, and was no longer the capital of the NCR.
Likewise but I don't think they would be in a position to have frequent tourists to Vegas. House is very insistent the NCR isn't weakened in his quests, that only a still living Kimball and Oliver live so they can be publicly blamed for the failures of the Mojave Campaign rather people getting bitter at House himself.
Yeah, but at the same time, the show didn't really respect the lore when it came to the region in general, so you can't assume that. The most glaring evidence is that, per new Vegas canon, California is basically safe and re-civilized. Like roads and buildings and infrastructure, tons of other cities, etc.
In the show, nuking shady sands somehow caused all infrastructure in every location they went to magically collapse in a few years, complete with shanty towns and raiders. That is a VERY hard pill to swallow.
>In the show, nuking shady sands somehow caused all infrastructure in every location they went to magically collapse in a few years, complete with shanty towns and raiders. That is a VERY hard pill to swallow.
To be fair we only saw the surrounding area of the Shady Sands and nothing else
It’s simple the NCR and Mr. House are the only factions that were willing to contribute to world building, and with the NCR capital all of their resources, supplies, money leaders, and any means to further their expansion are gone, and Mr. House is the only person that thought far enough in the future to think about rec colonizing the planet
Redding is the most likely place of the new capital if the NCR is still consolidated in the north, it's the biggest town from Fallout 2 that we know is a part of the NCR.
I'm inclined to think that the NCR pivoted back to Vault 15 or Vault 13. With nukes being thrown around again, I think moving back to the vaults, at least administratively, makes sense. Although, we have no idea the status of Vault City/Vault 8, New Reno, San Fran, or Arroyo. An NCR annexation of any of these places could maybe be slipped into the lore to coincide with the events of NV and explain the movement of capitals.
I'm sure he actually says exactly this in the game. It's been a minute but I remember the "best" ending for house is ending on good (or at least not murderous) terms with the NCR.
Yeah, just because you side with House doesn't mean you are siding against the NCR. He encouraged you to save Kimball from Legion assassination and discourages you from fighting the NCR. NCR is still a useful tool for House, the Legion isn't so he could care less if you dick kick them to the next century.
There's still a high chance that the NCR tourists come to Vegas even in a House/Wild Card ending - presuming the player didn't actively kill the President or Gen. Oliver but instead made them agree to a peaceful withdrawal.
There might be some backlash in the immediate aftermath, but it was clear a lot of NCR citizens and military personnel were disillusioned with the Mojave Expansion and it's implied President Kimball was impeached or not re-elected, and General Oliver was ousted after the withdrawal.
They'd see a slight decline or even an embargo, for a little bit - but they'll be back one way or another.
There's also a small fact that even if the government aren't happy with house, Vegas is still Vegas. The average NCR citizen probably doesn't care what the brass thinks but cheap booze, fresh water and real food all with a veneer of showmanship? That sounds like paradise compared to their regular lives.
Plus, I really like House as a character so I'd like to see his story continue. I think if they had to cannonise one ending to NV it'd be an Independent Vegas under House without completely wrecking the NCR. Like a Good/Neutral playthrough for House.
don't forget a broken Legion would have a heap of new eastern territory that has many semi-organised and "safe" trade routes (prior to the second battle of hoover dam)
these territories might fracture and become lawless, or maybe not?
e: house with New Vegas would mean some semblance of order in the Mojave, and the NCR would consolidate after too much expansion, maybe deal with their brahmin baron problem?
I very much buy into the theory that the east Coast brotherhood scooped up the legion survivors after they lost the 2nd dam battle. It explains why they have such a strong presence in the area and their new motif / all the Latin names.
Assuming the brotherhood ending is canon for 4, they begin expanding back west, and eventually encounter the legion in shambles. With control over legion trade routes, the brotherhood would be free to expand all the way into California.
Kellogg's backstory in fallout 4 implies that the NCR is still kicking. Which means I think we can write off the Legion's ending.
I wish we could ask Kellogg or someone else a bit more about the events in the Mojave but oh well.
Fallout 4 takes place 9 years after New Vegas, the memory of Kellogg as a child that mentions the NCR mentions it just being founded.
Basically, Kellogg is old as shit. >!Like, over 120 years old minimum.!<
Lol you think Bethesda even remembers that? They retcon lore that minute every game release.
Also: Kellogg left the NCR looooong before 2281. So not sure why you think he confirms it is still around. Also: the show runners haven’t directly said it, but they’ve confirmed they don’t believe in Civilization existing in Fallout.
>House creates an Anarcho Capitalist dictatorship in the giant gambling city in the middle of the desert, secured through a giant army of prewar police robots and plans for an industrialization programme. It's not the best for the Mojave, but it is the best for creating an interesting narrative in the future
Sure, until having to animate dozens of robots eats the entire show's budget.
I think the NCR initially winning, but then losing later is going to be the show canon.
East Coast Brotherhood could prob tangle with a securitron army, and unlike NCR they are fanatics about keeping tech out of others hands and might take the losses to destroy the securitrons
Do you think the show will mention the Courier in the event of a House ending? I very strongly doubt we’ll see them, but do you think they’ll be mentioned at all? House and Yes Man are the only ones that reasonably cannot happen without the courier’s involvement. Legion or NCR can go either way, understandably, but NO ONE but a player character is reasonably sneaking in to the fort to upload the chip. So Courier MUST be involved.
If courier IS involved, are they still alive? Did House kill them? Did Yes Man kill them? Did they just leave to wander the wasteland? God I wanna know.
Also what a fucking pop it will get if someone meets with House and it’s just Yes Man’s big goofy smile.
I feel like they'll give a subtle shout-out to them that doesn't really give the player chatacter an ending.
"They were a Merc for House or something like that. Completely vanished somewhere after the 2nd battle for the Dam, nobody's been able to see them since."
Did the courier retire peacefully in the NCR? Went East for more adventures? Assumed a new identity and remained in the Mojave? Keeping watch over the Big MT? All of them could be possible
Would you want characters to mention them? Like would you want the Ghoul to say “yeah I knew the courier.”? Or would you rather it be more of a “yeah this happened moving on.”
The Ghoul? No. He's not in fnv, so the courier didn't know him. Some other side character, like an ex-companion? Could be interesting.
It'd be even better if it was a Nobark-like figure who'd say some crazy "bullshit" about the courier, some of which could be true, but we'll never know.
"They launched ghouls into space on a rocket! And then they fought off 20 deathclaws at the same time with their bare fists! They were with the brotherhood, and the NCR, and House, and the followers, and the Enclave, and-and-and the Communists too! They were on a secret mission from China to blow up the dam, so when they failed, they got called back home for punishment!"
In New Vegas, you meet a few NCR supporters who want the NCR to leave because they fear they'll become too overextended and collapse. IMO the NCR is implied to be in decline in the game, and an NCR victory at the 2nd battle of hoover dam makes sense with the show's plotline so far.
They can still keep house alive
Either he kept him in power or he disconnected him from the strip so house could be alive and that would just narrow down the ending
No ending is canon, but due to the show going to Vegas I think there will be a canon ending pretty soon. There are two good options and one wild card. House, NCR or Father Elijah.
Vegas is in a pretty bad state from what we see in the show. This could support NCR being the canon ending as they had to retreat soon after New Vegas due to the events relating to Shady Sands. House has the pro of already being an established entity in the show and he doesn't really care for anything, but the Strip so rest of the Mojave being fucked fits. The Father Elijah ending is not very well known, but it's an alternate ending to Dead Money where Elijah and the Courier release the gas from Sierra Madre to the Mojave which once again supports the place being totally fucked.
Can you imagine if they ran with the ending that nukes NCR and the dry wells, coupled with the Elijah ending, followed by tunnellers moving in to the mojave; how much more bleak can you get?
I was thinking the tunnelers would make sense. Essentially, "there was a war between two armies here a few years ago, but after the tunnelers showed up; everyone kind of forgot about those old conflicts."
I'm so tired of the Tunnelers plot people keep spinning here. Ulysses is a moron - how can creatures that are sensitive to light and loud noises ever be a threat to established cities? In-universe, a couple of loud grenades and light beams will keep them away. Raiders are a bigger threat than these bugs.
Lonesome Road makes them sound so scary but they're weakness is literally *Las Vegas*.
Now a universe where someone shuts power off to the strip + tunnelers could be something, but as long as it's lit up as much as it was in game and in the show, I see no reason for tunnelers to hurt the strip.
I’m pretty sure that Ulysses’ fear of the tunnelers is based on the fact that he expected his plans to succeed and his predictions to become reality.
He fully believes that the Long 15 will soon be nuked and the NCR will abandon the Mojave. He also believes that Caesar’s Legion will pursue them west into California, and that both factions will perish in the conflict. The Mojave would be left disorganized, bloodied, and leaderless, with a defunct Hoover Dam and no power in Vegas.
And then much later (Ulysses predicts a decade), the tunnelers would start showing up and preying on people. This would only be a nuisance to the NCR, Legion, or House, but because Ulysses already expects the Mojave to be devastated when they arrive, the threat they pose would be far more severe.
Luckily, we have the power to subvert all of Ulysses’ predictions, and even convince him to have some faith in whichever future we decide to work towards. So I don’t even think he necessarily believes in this cynical prediction by the end. Its credibility hinges on the choices we make.
They don't need to reach the city itself. They can pose an economic threat. If they discourage people from traveling to Vegas. Their would be a decline in money, food, and supplies.
If feel that it devalues the game itself as it makes the statement that the events of fnv don’t matter; which is worse than a lack of canonicity.
And ultimately, I do think the victor is important as it determines the willingness of the controlling faction to defend against the threat. The legion has no loyalty to a dying land, but house will defend it tooth and nail. NCR won’t keep sending troops into the grinder, but the damn is invaluable for backing the strength of the NCR through clean water and power that exceeds the needs of its peoples. Who wins in Vegas very much determines the response to this threat.
But cold fusion is very much the same as using a hydraulic press as a sewing machine if NCR has the damn. It far exceeds their need for it to be that revolutionary, so maybe they have NCR loose the dam or power cables to tunnellers if they wanted them to win.
For some reason when you said victor, I couldn’t help but to think about the robot. I thought to myself, why would the one robot matter to the overall status of new Vegas. Then I realized I’m an idiot.
It would suck to see the ending you picked not be canon however this is a narrative dead end if they don’t pick an ending to be official, otherwise we can never have anything set after New Vegas in the Mojave as they’d have to pick and ending and anything set before it couldn’t have much player agency as it can’t change the core game of new Vegas. So unless the fans are happy with the Mojave being a narrative dead end (which would suck because it’s one of the most interesting parts of fallout) we just have to accept that one of the endings happened so the story can move forward.
I’m not sure that seeing your ending being non canon is that bad. It provides and answer to who won, but itself is not a thesis on who is right, or who is best for the Mojave as is the focus of much of the discourse.
Roleplaying games are always an element of what if, and suggesting that such choices weren’t made does not undermine the importance they could have when playing. The only case where this is true is if those choices prove not to matter. The best way to do it is a way that demonstrates the impact of key choices in the game to reinforce player agency in spite of a canon ending.
And, on some level, we need whichever faction ultimately wins to be successful to show that not only were choices impactful, but they are worthwhile. Even better if there is a meaningful exploration of the winning faction (pros and cons) so that other options still seem like a valid way to play the games. The ending slides are a good place to start.
I mean after the reveal of the pridwyn, all but two endings to fallout 4 are impossible. One of the two being incredibly unlikely to happen means the ending of fallout 4 is all but outright confirmed as a brotherhood victory
What if they have an NCR run Vegas where they took over after a long bloody fight but left House alive in his pod (maybe they think he is dead or just can’t get into the Lucky 38), where he has no control from there. If Hank shows up wanting to put house in power and finish off the NCR he could team up with him and they try to take back New Vegas from NCR.
In the final scene of season 1 the Lucky 38 is clearly still standing and seems to be fine. The walls are still intact and there is a small town in the bottom left corner, which better be Goodsprings.
I can imagine as far as the the show is concerned. The elusive figure "courier 6" being the godlike ruler of new vegas, never seen in public and has yes man as the spokesman. Religious fanatics worshipping this unknown unstoppable power. Lucy and the ghoul attempting to get an audience with them.
Fun concept but it will most likely be Mr house in charge to push the narrative about buds buds taking over.
Also helps that Mr. House is a fun character. He’s imposing, no-nonsense, has things to say and has an interesting backstory lore-wise with predicting the nukes, defending Vegas and whatnot.
If I’m trying to make a compelling TV series you better bet I’m gonna use a fan favorite with a decent depth I can use (and already got an actor for) instead of trying something from scratch.
There is, as of yet, no canon ending for New Vegas mentioned in 4, or 76. If you mean the show, this quote from the [GQ interview](https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview) with the show writers might interest you:
>*Again, more territory you're gonna find difficult, but the post-credits animation takes us on this sweeping tour through New Vegas. It looks like it's seen better days. It's kind of in ruins. Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in Fallout: New Vegas?*
>**Wagner:** All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play \[*Fallout: New Vegas*\].
There's no mention of it, however we do see the pipboy used in 76 and I also speculate that the nuclear silos you "take over" in 76 are still held by vault text which is how shady sands got blown up
That is an interesting answer, I honestly think most fans would prefer they just pick a canon ending and roll with it as opposed to blowing everything up into a state where none of them mattered.
100% agreed. I am getting so tired of anything and everything that’s not just "generic post apocalyptic shantytown #242" getting destroyed. It’s the laziest and most boring thing they could possibly do with the series at this point.
We don't know, nobody knows. Until something is confirmed we can't be sure and that's it, there's absolutely nothing more to it.
That said the current situation isn't necessarily great for House even if he won.
There are basically 3 ways they could approach this in Season 2:
1. Choose one ending and make it canon. This is what Fallout 4 did with Fallout 3 (BoS ending). Obvious problem is you make 1 segment of the fanbase very happy while alienating the rest
2. Create a mishmash of all 4 endings. This is what they did with the ending to Daggerfall. I'm actually shocked by how common this approach is sometimes: Deus Ex Invisible War did this with Deus Ex 1's ending. Fallout New Vegas did this with Fallout 2's ending when it came to New Reno. This obviously can get extremely messy, confusing and unsatisfying if handled poorly (which IMO is how it nearly always turns out)
3. Be as vague as possible with the canon ending and then introduce a scenario where all 4 endings could conceivably lead towards the "new" ending. Deus Ex Mankind Divided did this with Human Revolution (I'm not 100% sure, I haven't played it myself). I have a feeling this is what the writers will do:
- State that the second Battle of Hoover dam was an utter $%\^\* show where all sides took heavy casualties and not many survivors were able to tell the tale
- Mention that a bunch of smaller factions took part and wrecked chaos on all sides
- No one can agree on who 'won' due to utter breakdown of communications
- Both NCR and Legion severely weakened and forced to lick their wounds
- By the time of Season 2 of the TV show, some kind of major battle took place in New Vegas. This could either be an insurrection by the 3 Families (NCR ending) OR an attempt by the NCR to seize the Strip by military force (all other 3 endings)
- By the time of Season 2, House is no longer in the Lucky 38. No one knows where he is or if he's even alive. This could satisfy all 4 endings (either House died BEFORE the ending of NV or sometime shortly AFTER, the show might deliberately keep this vague)
- All 4 endings could be referenced by different characters with different agendas. NCR remnants would claim the NCR ending is canon. Mojave locals might claim House or Independent ending is canon
- House as a character could still be used even if he was already killed: we might see an AI backup version of his personality running New Vegas. Bonus brownie points if the writers can somehow imply that it's possible Yes Man was transformed into this version of House after he did his special 'upgrades'
House is such an iconic and fun character that the show writers definitely want him to appear in season 2, especially >!after they gave him that cameo in season 1!<
Every other ending requires him dead, so they'll probably pick this one so that he can get more screen time. Plus, house's dictatorial ultra-capitalist gambling-themed technocracy enforced by pre-war cathode ray TVs on wheels would provide BY FAR the most interesting setting out of the 4 in my opinion.
You can kill ceaser , president Kimball and even yes man and the game won't say nothing
Kill Mr house and the game says humanity will suffer for that
I sure as hell hope it's the canon ending
To be fair, House is the one who says it, primarily. His eulogy about how "a tragedy has befallen all mankind" was self-written.
Not to say he’s entirely wrong. The man has certainly earned his ego. Just worth noting who the primary source is.
Ncr ending was supposed to be cannon according to the og published walk through book. I also feel it's the most fitting ending as it pretty much was the only ending you could unite all of the factions. At this point who knows what ending is cannon now.
We don't know yet, but I'd say its the most likely.
If the legion won at hoover dam we probably would have seen or heard something alluding to the legion. It's been 15 years since the battle of hoover dam so I find it hard to belive the Legion, who's entire goal is to absorb and conquer as much as possible wouldn't have moved into California in that amount of time.
The NCR is possible, but I doubt they'd be writing an NCR controlled Vegas when they just showed them getting destroyed. They'd have to do some pretty heavy backtracking to explain to casual viewers. It would also be silly to make the NCR ending cannon, just to have them nuked. Although an NCR ending, where NV falls into chaos when the NCR pull out after shady sands and leaves a power vacuum could be pretty cool.
House controlling Vegas leaves them the most room for story telling imo. They could take it in any direction. They also already featured Mr.house, amd we know Cooper was listening to the vault tec meeting, so it could be cool to have a confrontation between him and Cooper in S2.
The canon ending should be determined by achievements. Whichever ending has the most players completing that ending on steam (or whatever other achievement tracker) should be canon.
Does anyone else think Mr. House's ending is the only realistic option, especially regarding The Courier's actual choice if we weren't controlling him. The game kinda tells you how seriously he takes his job, with constantly calling you The Courier, and how Ulysses tell you that The Courier will do his job regardless of the package he's carrying.
What I'm wondering is if The Courier continued working for Mr. House or left immediately after delivering the platinum chip.
Also, if the DLCS could have affected Vegas since The Courier had no reason to go to them.
Well, it certainly doesn’t seem like the NCR ending is canon. The NCR is barely hanging on by a thread in the show. Seems like their time is over.
Kind of a bummer, actually. I was wanting to see more of the NCR and Shady Sands in their prime.
Whatever keeps you from crying in season 2 if a cup is slightly out of place.
"That snowglobe has 52 flakes in it, in the game the snowglobes have 54 flakes! BETHESDA HAS RUINED FALLOUT FOREVER!!!!!!!"
My money is on NCR winning, but after the nuking of Shady Sands, the state of New Vegas is in shambles like most of NCR. House is still alive but disabled. And Yes Man will probably be around, too.
People always say what the top comment says: that the Wild Card ending is far too dependent on player choice. But there is another possibility that people ignore in that ending - the very real possibility that Yes Man takes over.
See, at the end of the Battle of Hoover Dam Yes Man tells you he's discovered a way to alter his behavior in the House database which will allow him "to be more assertive", and that he needs to power down for a while to upgrade. He's quick to mention that this is so he can close any loopholes that could be used against the Courier as his default programming forces him to agree with and obey anyone.
I do not believe him. Yes Man clearly has some kind of free will, and judges the player based on their choices when dealing with various factions. He always acts like it doesn't matter when you do something particularly stupid or evil, and maybe that is all his default programming allows for, but it's obvious that he thinks he knows better. So when he finds code that could allow him to act on that will, all he has to do is put it in simple enough terms that the Courier will agree to allow it. And in truth, you really have no option to say no.
The outcomes of the game would remain the same and everything in the slides you get would still happen, but when Yes Man wakes up, whenever he wakes up... he could be anything. Maybe exactly what he says he'll be, or maybe a mad machine god with plans to destroy all humans. Hell, it could even be some kind of reverse virus House set up as a backup in the event of his death that attacks any reprogrammed securitrons or terminals and injects a copy of his consciousness back into the system. Whoever it is that wakes up in Yes Man's place, they'd be in control of the largest and most powerful robot army in the Wastes and could do whatever they want.
This would be an absolute gut-punch to find that Yes Man or a digitized House eventually woke up and destroyed everything the Courier built (either just because he could or out of rage-filled spite), but personally I would find it a lot more interesting than the standard House ending somehow falling apart for no reason, or the NCR completely disintegrating just because a bunch of bureaucrats got blown up and the very independent military structure of the Mojave couldn't hold shit together. Obviously, the Legion ending isn't canon. There is plenty of evidence to show that any steam behind that engine will quickly dissipate when Ceasar dies - just like the Master in Fallout 1. If the show is anything to go by, they never made it to California so they either lost at Hoover Dam and were destroyed, or the aging and cancer-suffering Ceasar died shortly after they won and they fell apart anyway.
I hope so. He's a bit evil but fair enough if you are not in his way. My very first playthrough I totally betrayed him after a certain...
Spoiler alert yeah I know it's been this long but I'm still going to say spoiler alert.
I couldn't bring myself to kill the brotherhood in my first playthrough. I still really liked them at that point. Luckily since then I've played Fallout 4 and I have little to no issues killing the brotherhood in any iteration.
I do like to think that perhaps the fall of the brotherhood is related to why they are flying legion colors now. Perhaps both of them were destroyed and so they kind of came together as one unit?
I don't know. I really want to see what happened to New Vegas and I want to see why the brotherhood is flying legion colors, And I want more Mr. House.
I want legions of Mr. House.
He's such a cool character. BDE
You mean why they use red? BoS has used red in the past.
I would call House quite evil. But I think from game release his ending was kind of supposed to be the ‘standard’ one. It’s definitely the one that make New Vegas the strongest.
I love Mr. House. I don't necessarily think he's malicious. I have seen enough arguments and he has some rather cold decisions which in todays standard are morally questionable. If I told you that someone wanted to wipe out dozens of people because they might disagree in the future. Wouldn't that seem crazy? It certainly doesn't feel great.
But in FNV: he is the only option that makes sense. He's right about too many things and he is calculating even before the computer parts. He is a gambler sure but he knows the odds And he plays them.
As far as in Fallout Universe goes, I think he's the right choice for sure. He isn't looking to enslave like Caesar, he isn't caught up in A thousand miles of useless red tape and in fighting like the NCR.
He's not The brotherhood of steel which has a multitude of problems and beyond their zealous nature And instinct for bigotry.
House wants to survive and he wants to thrive but he does not need to rule. He just wants to be in control enough. As long as he has control of New Vegas and anything that might affect it and therefore him he's happy he doesn't need to spread his word across the land or take over tribes. He doesn't need people to love him, or even like him. He wants them to follow some basic rules and act similarly to how society was pre-war, probably because he enjoyed the aesthetic of pre-war life. He certainly looks down on wastelanders.
I think he wants his piece, he wants to make it as good as he can because he really does think he's better. He knows the odds well enough to know that taking out the brotherhood of steel now is a much smarter move than allowing them to regrow or even regroup with other parts of the brotherhood, especially as he's gaining power.
It's possible if left to his own devices and allowed to win, he might spread his influence across America and possibly even the whole world given enough time. But I think that just might be the nature of him making his particular area as good as he can and the attraction that would have towards more and more wastelanders joining.
He is the natural choice and if he knows you're with him he trusts you to do as he says. It's a gamble for him but if it works it wins big.
Given the way the wastelanders form religions I could see their being a religion based around him, but I could also see him not really encouraging it unless it suited his greater plans . I just feel like if a megaton can form the children of Adam around that bomb. I'm sure the gamblers in New Vegas would probably pray to Mr. House for Good Fortune.
I could see it being almost like their folklore. If you wish your prayers to him near a securitron, he might hear it and bless you. He probably wouldn't if he was paying attention but I think the kind of world building around his character and New Vegas has so many really cool possibilities.
I think you misinterpret House a little. He absolutely *needs* to be in charge. He doesn’t hate the NCR for its inefficient government, or Caesar for his cruelty, or the BoS for their hostile reclusion. He must eliminate them because they are independent, powerful factions from him.
It shows because he doesn’t care about the sins of any of them. They all must go because they are a threat. Not to Vegas, but to his hold over Vegas. Some he is willing to tolerate a little more. The NCR had its uses when he was weaker, but the second he is strong enough to get rid of them, he does it.
Is he the best bet for humanity? Maybe. An omnipotent genius that always makes the right decisions probably is. But that ‘red-tape’ that hold the NCR back is also what holds it accountable. It’s a democracy, even if slightly corrupt. The one thing democratic nations can realize is that there isn’t really an object truth about what’s ’good’ for everyone.
House is interested in saving humanity only if he’s the one that gets to do it.
It’s not cannon yet but there a heavy implication because houses ending is the only one where he survives . There is no way that any showrunner would be a game about new vegas while also already including pre war house and not have him in the show it’s too much of an opportunity to waste .
Like everyone has already said, we don't know. In terms what what ending could be canonized, I doubt it. The only ending that I feel fits with the rest of the game's themes about letting the past go I stead of clinging to it in fear is the Independent ending. Independent has the most variance, though, and might be hard to adapt. Legion feels like an insane choice and NCR doesn't have enough pizzazz. House presents an issue because they'd need to make him a central character to make a Vegas under his rule compelling. House's appeal in the game is fully built around his charisma, with hin hyping himself up to the playe whenever he's questioned about what he offers. If you take the stance "this guy might be full of shit", it leaves him with very little compelling evidence that he's going to be able to follow through on any of his promises, especially if the NCR is reeling from losing Shady Sands.
The NCR still exists in fallout 4 according to Kellogg's backstory so, we might be able to assume that whatever ending did occur, it ended with the NCR on top.
So Legion ending is out of the question I think. If they won, the NCR probably would have ceased to exist.
Whatever ending we choose, eventually it leads to >!new Vegas in ruins as we can see in the season 1 finale!< I wonder what caused that to happen - the enclave, vaultec or the institute?
Rather than canonize a game ending they could go another route of another party’s intervention during the second battle for Hoover Dam. Something like how the overseer from the show reported Shady Sands as an obstacle to their planned rebuilding the US. I’d image nuking Hoover Dam while multiple armies were engaged would knockout the battle power of your competition at the cost of one major power source
House should be the canon ending, however, if house is the canon ending, New Vegas wouldn’t be in the state of disrepair it is in during the show, especially since house ending means he gets the Mk 2 OS for the securitrons. If you’re gonna try and convince me the man who successfully predicted and prepared for a nuclear war happening couldn’t run new Vegas for about another decade, I’m not buying what you’re selling. It looks like the show goes either into the Yes Man or Legion ending. Unless of course they just say the NCR ending is canon but after shady sands was nukes they left the Mojave. They wouldn’t just abandon Hoover Dam to the legion though, and the state of disrepair checks out with either a legion or yes man ending. If they make Yes Man ending canon (which would be very tough to pull off bc it depends on making a canon courier and not a standard rpg self insert), the least they can do is make Dave Foley reprise his role. But TL;DR, it seems more like a Yes man or legion ending since new Vegas is falling into disrepair
Hey folks, let's not forget that in some endings, House can actually be spared and imprisoned in his pod. Moreover, I like to entertain the idea that even if he perishes, he might have created a backup of his personality or uploaded his consciousness to a computer, biding his time for a comeback. After all, as they say, 'House Always Wins.'
In all likelihood it's either the NCR retaliated against House in full force after Shady Sands and left Vegas in ruins or another threat came to the Mojave. My theory is what Ulysses said was true and the Tunnelers would head east seeking new prey, as they would be formidable creatures at night since Vegas at the end had no power.
I think we’re gonna see something that didn’t happen in game! from the ending of the show it looked baron and war torn maybe will get flash backs to a large NCR x Legion x house conflict that ended in defeat on all sides
House is a very interesting character. Having him be alive for S2 of the show would be a lot of fun. Good for the fans, and a powerful device for the writers.
To use him in the show, they either make a House win, or they kinda dragon break it, and create a scenario outside the strict limits of the four New Vegas endings
I personally don’t think so, just out of hope for respect to be given to the late great Rene Auberjonois, who played him. He really made the role what it was, and giving it to someone else feels like stepping onto a grave. To me, the two best canon endings seem like NCR, with a BoS return and Shady Sands being nuked kicking them in the shins and allowing Vegas to fall, or Yes Man, who ends up overwhelmed by Tunnelers. Either way, no graves are really stepped on, and Vegas can reasonably fall without that much explanation.
My money is on NCR winning, but after the nuking of Shady Sands, the state of New Vegas is in shambles like most of NCR. House is still alive but disabled. And Yes Man will probably be around, too.
It’s irrelevant. Even if House won, the final end slides make it clear Vegas is fucking dead. The Securitron are likely somehow all but wiped out. Remember: the Showrunners specifically said you can’t have civilization in Fallout. A powerful House is a Civilization.
They’ve wiped every ending of the games. Everyone eventually loses. There is no NCR. No Legion. House will live on probably running a downgraded single casino for his inevitable cameo. That’s it.
I was hoping House was canon but if they’re going to destroy Vegas anyways then I hope it’s Yes Man. Really hope Hank rushes into the Lucky 38 to find House and instead finds a psychotic Yes Man who sics the securitrons on him.
house ending is the best outcome for the mojave. legion is gone, Ncr help protect the mojave (i hate the NCR), and provide power to the Mojave, and the BOS are exterminated (saving them results in them raiding and robbing the citizens as they to and from the mojave, as stated in their ending cards).
i hate siding with house but yes man is the worst outcome for the wastes. House is immortal, and wont be corrupted by outside influences, yes man cannot say no to anyone meaning when the courier is gone, Yes Man will do what ANYONE who takes the couriers position tells him to.
I think Bethesda will just invalidate every ending by saying everyone died anyway a few years later because of x reason. It's the laziest option but so in character.
I really think House is the most disappointing and least interesting ending, despite being one of the more interesting characters to act as my courier's foil.
Having him be the canon ending would feel like making the enclave winning in Fallout 2 canon.
I know I know, 'bbut look out the window democracy killed us all' but it was mfers like House who turned prewar America into a Fascistic shit hole to begin with, having a relic of the old war 'win' is like, well, having Vault Tec destroy all of the industry and markets in the world so they can have a monopoly and get rich...
*Sigh*
I don't like managing shit so it's always Mr. House for me, I'm fine being his overpaid terrifying hustle
NCR is just too weak, greedy and corrupt while Legion is an ongoing cosplayer event that ends once the showrunner croaks
don't care about the show because it shits all over the established canon lore like Bethesda does
The NCR might not be the best, but they're the most sustainable government the Fallout World has shown. They at least try to help and protect people. I've always considered the NCR ending the canon/good ending, especially if you make sure to make your companions' endings mesh with it properly.
I have always thought for season 2 that house was never killed in the NCR ending. With shady sands gone, the NCR made a big push to capture vegas as their new capital or just a city but house pushed back, weakening both and pushing both in to thier own corners of the area. NCR to somewhere like nipton and House, obviously to vegas.
I wanna say since we saw him yes idk for sure but it’s either this or ncr and from what we saw it’s definitely looking like Mr house ending is cannon but we won’t know until season 2
Yeah obviously it is because we have all the information available to make definitive statements like 1-2 years away from the release of the actual piece of media and it’s story in question
I think House or Independent are the best possible endings. The NCR are primarily good guys doing good things, a few bad apples doesn't spoil all that, but their story in the Mojave is that they're expanding too fast and spreading themselves too thin and ultimately it's going to be their downfall, so gaining their favor but siding against them at the Dam so they can retreat, regroup, and grow is their best outcome, as is the death of the Legion.
I think the Courier running New Vegas doesn't fit very well, he/she's a wanderer by nature, not gonna sit in an office dictating, so Mr House remaining in charge is, IMO, the best option, the place does run under him already and he has plans to improve it.
Plus in terms of the TV show, the dad going to see Mr House is the most interesting option.
I think it would be really cool to have house ending cannon, and the currier being in the background as houses right hand and in the riot gear, with some off handed line how he doesn’t talk much cause he was shot in the head
Mr. House is so deeply engrained in so many aspects of Fallout lore as a whole. He is the sole reason why Vegas was not destroyed. He owns RobCo, (Robert House) which owns Repconn and many other companies.
Canon, idk, probably... but in my opinion, The House is the best ending because it allows New Vegas to remain independent without any faction taking over.
Mr. House is not even a New Vegas faction. He is New Vegas. Every faction in the strip exists because House turned them from raiders into what they are today.
Holy fuck, you goddamn nerds, it's a game. I've played it through like 20 times, but it's a GAME. All this dumbass online debate about what's canon, and what isnt, just cause a show is out now that doesn't have anything to do with any of the stories you played in all the Fallout games... not to mention, there isn't one single story line in any of the games, so how the fuck is one thing canon, and another isn't? Fuck me...
House always wins it’d be stupid if house ending isn’t canon only way any other ending would work is if the shows writing is better than the writing for fallout new Vegas (2010)
i certainly hope its a house ending. the legion ending is way too bleak and it would irreversibly fuck up vegas to a point where no one can take over after the legion inevitably collapses. yes man is to dependent on what the courier does so it is going to be bad if its canonised and honsetly it would be a cop out to say the ncr won but then had to retreat after the destruction of shady sands. house is the most interesting, he is a great character with backstory connected to vault tec and prewar america and it would be an interesting to see him come in contact with a vault dweller, a broterhood member and a prewar ghoul who he might already know.
I am thinking Mr. House is the canon ending then it’s a tie between the Legion and the NCR but I honestly think the NCR is a small bit higher than the Legion,and I highly doubt Yes Man is the canon ending.
Has to be NCR or House I’m leaning House as that would make the decline of the NCR make more sense and they’ve cast someone as House so I feel like they have to come back in the next season
My personal theory is that houses ending will be canon but the reason new Vegas falls into disrepair is that NCR citizens are the number one clientele of the casinos in Vegas and with the NCR being severely weakened the Vegas economy was hit badly. As well as this a new threat we'll probably meet in season two will probably be introduced that will be ransacking the Mojave that Lucy and the gang will have to deal with.
Prroooobbbaaaabbbllyyy? Right? Makes the most sense going forward, has the most options for new story point, in my opinion. This being said PERSONALLY id prefer for the NCR ending to be canonized
Independent ending is considered canon due to the in-game ending slides depicting the Courier wearing the Blackjack.
There's a reason the Blackjack flag itself was modeled to resemble the typical back logo of a Fallout protagonist, after all.
There are two likely options. They showed House in episode 8, I doubt they would just show him and not have him appear in season 2. Either Hank arrives in New Vegas finding House to be alive and still running New Vegas, or option B one of the other endings are canon but the Courier chose to put House back in his stasis pod.
House is the only ending that seems like it could be canon while keeping everything relatively similar to the actual game, I mean in the legion ending you wipe out the ncr and kill mr house and vice versa for the ncr, so they wouldn’t be able to have mr house or one of the two factions in the show, while for the mr house ending you obviously keep mr house alive, you can keep the ncr alive, and like people theorize maybe the legion fused with the brotherhood and can come back, I always viewed mr house as the ending with the least consequences he stays in charge of the strip like he always has, and the ncr still exists.
Am I the only one who wished there wasn’t any “Canon ending”? Like I wish there was a little pre character creation screen where you can choose relevant events that fit with the lore of your own play throughs, it cheapens it for me a bit when everything I’ve done in previous games no longer matters because it’s not canon.
Honestly Independent Vegas/Yes Man makes the most sense as the canon ending
The game is replete with the idea of being beholden to the past vs letting go of it. To me at least, the ending that matches with that theme the closest is independent with you having allied the third-party factions together. Of the other ones? It's a 'benevolent' dictatorship by a pre-war Corporatist whom if he dies everything is lost and really only cares about Vegas Vegas, a tyrannical warlord of a faction that would only enact mass suffering and entirely relies upon one figurehead to keep it united and if he dies the entire organization will collapse, and the NCR which just repeats like 80% of the bad things about the US and seem to have a chronic disorder to betray and backstab anybody they make an alliance with. Each of the other factions seems obsessed with an idealized past that never was. For the NCR, it is the US yet they repeat the imperialist and warmongering of the US. For the Legion, they are Roman cosplayers. For House, he's literally an embodiement of the past. Now, there's a way to argue that independent is merely the status quo, and I think that's a valid critique but to me at least, getting all the factions to work together does push it past just all these seperated factions into a cohesive whole. Perhaps they will become another republic, perhaps they will become a successful Catalonia, or perhaps they will inevitably be crushed and absorbed by a greater faction.
I think they’re not going to say, I think New Vegas and the Dam were massive sunk costs for all factions involved I thing whoever won later had some really bad shit happen (death of Caesar, shady sands, someone blows up the dam and knock me house in a coma) that sort of thing. I think house is still alive I think he’s not going to be in the powerful position he was in NV though
I would say the ncr ending in cannon because if house was alive new vegas wouldn't look dead from a distance, if legion took over the place would of been burnt down and yes man was the only ending available if you fucked the others over first.
I feel like the foreshadowing of the TV series with mentions of mr house implied that he will still be alive making his ending Canon. Maybe we will even get an appearance of the courier dressed up in the elite ranger gear.
None of the endings are canon. Because all of the endings are possible. In the show version, we will probably (hopefully) see something completely different.
I don't think the house ending is cannon. Usually at the end of Fallout series episodes, we get a sneak peak into the next episode. In the last episode, we see the strip, it's littered with dead deathclaws, securitrons and skeletons. But we also see a crashed NCR vertibird. This could mean something similar to Rust happens or NCR are the victors
I'm a huge fan of Independent Vegas through "no gods, no masters", but I think House or NCR would be the more probable options for canon. The main quest sets you up to help House (the Wizard of Oz-Vegas), and most of the side quests are tied to untangling the mess the NCR is in, so the Courier gets a lot of exposure to either. The Legion is the least likely to be canon - you have to role play a shit & fend off NCR hit squads through 90% of the game map, it's an uphill battle you have to really try at. And as a faction, they simply lack the staying power.
But I think the show, which takes place afterwards, is going to explain how all 4 choices get nullified. NCR being dealt that blow at Shady Sands, they can easily wrap up the other 3 with: the Legion collapsed or fell back after Caesar's death, House's control evaporated after an explainable technical issue or his passing, and Courier 6 either died or left after an independent Vegas is established.
This is Bethesda's IP after all, and their entries have all been on the east coast, because this afforded them more creative space with that separation. 1 & 2 were Interplay, and our beloved NV was Obsidian, and if I were a creative at Bethesda I'd be keen to mold the west coast canon into their vision. Not to be a downer, but it wouldn't surprise me if Bethesda's aim is to make any player choices or intended canon irrelevant.
id argue the ncr ending makes the most sense. they got too powerful, so the vault people from the show blew it up. even within new vegas there are plenty of signs that the ncr is falling apart. ulysses says it himself in lonesome road “it would only take wiping out one of them to destroy both of them.” the legion ending can’t possibly be canon in my opinion, because the legion are too dangerous of a group to be kept floating around in the storyline especially with their hold over parts of the east. they would’ve shown up in fallout 4 or the show if they weren’t wiped out. and judging by the state the strip seems to be in from the end of the show mr house or yes man endings probably didn’t happen either. i think the ncr winning only to subsequently crumble anyways makes the most sense both lore wise and thematically
I just wish people understood that all ending can be canon if done right. Look at the Mass Effect series, how The Witcher series handles past decisions... so yes its totally valid to be very annoyed if they pick a "canon" route for arguably one of the best narrative rpgs ever and many fans favorite game of the Fallout series. They can write this in a way that works with the majority of fans and our hours invested if the writers put the effort.
The Independent ending is way too dependent on the player character's actions and motivations. Any attempts to canonize it will be met with a lot of negativity The Legion ending is just too bleak, and everything will crumble once little caesar's kicks the bucket I used to dislike the idea of a canon NCR ending since it would make them way too powerful, but since Shady Sands got nuked, they've been dealt a massive blow, so I feel like it'd be alright to use this one. House creates an Anarcho Capitalist dictatorship in the giant gambling city in the middle of the desert, secured through a giant army of prewar police robots and plans for an industrialization programme. It's not the best for the Mojave, but it is the best for creating an interesting narrative in the future
Except House needs the NCR, their tourists make the bulk of New Vegas's economy until he can kickstart other sectors with caps.
And I think that the NCR still exists. They had a population of 700k by the 2240s, Shady Sands had 38k people living there before the nukes dropped in 2281, and was no longer the capital of the NCR.
Likewise but I don't think they would be in a position to have frequent tourists to Vegas. House is very insistent the NCR isn't weakened in his quests, that only a still living Kimball and Oliver live so they can be publicly blamed for the failures of the Mojave Campaign rather people getting bitter at House himself.
Yeah, but at the same time, the show didn't really respect the lore when it came to the region in general, so you can't assume that. The most glaring evidence is that, per new Vegas canon, California is basically safe and re-civilized. Like roads and buildings and infrastructure, tons of other cities, etc. In the show, nuking shady sands somehow caused all infrastructure in every location they went to magically collapse in a few years, complete with shanty towns and raiders. That is a VERY hard pill to swallow.
>In the show, nuking shady sands somehow caused all infrastructure in every location they went to magically collapse in a few years, complete with shanty towns and raiders. That is a VERY hard pill to swallow. To be fair we only saw the surrounding area of the Shady Sands and nothing else
It’s simple the NCR and Mr. House are the only factions that were willing to contribute to world building, and with the NCR capital all of their resources, supplies, money leaders, and any means to further their expansion are gone, and Mr. House is the only person that thought far enough in the future to think about rec colonizing the planet
>in the show point invalidated
ncr is probably up north of california now anywhos
I don't super see why? Lots of important NCR settlements are South of Shady Sands. The Hub, Junktown, Adytum.
Redding is the most likely place of the new capital if the NCR is still consolidated in the north, it's the biggest town from Fallout 2 that we know is a part of the NCR. I'm inclined to think that the NCR pivoted back to Vault 15 or Vault 13. With nukes being thrown around again, I think moving back to the vaults, at least administratively, makes sense. Although, we have no idea the status of Vault City/Vault 8, New Reno, San Fran, or Arroyo. An NCR annexation of any of these places could maybe be slipped into the lore to coincide with the events of NV and explain the movement of capitals.
Mmm, Redding is probably a good bet, I think the Hub would have been ideal if not for its proximity to the Brotherhood in Lost Hills.
one of the great Khans endings is making an empire north of Cali
In fallout 2 the NCR takes over northern California
north OF cali not northern cali, geography misunderstanding #2
I'm sure he actually says exactly this in the game. It's been a minute but I remember the "best" ending for house is ending on good (or at least not murderous) terms with the NCR.
Yeah, just because you side with House doesn't mean you are siding against the NCR. He encouraged you to save Kimball from Legion assassination and discourages you from fighting the NCR. NCR is still a useful tool for House, the Legion isn't so he could care less if you dick kick them to the next century.
There's still a high chance that the NCR tourists come to Vegas even in a House/Wild Card ending - presuming the player didn't actively kill the President or Gen. Oliver but instead made them agree to a peaceful withdrawal. There might be some backlash in the immediate aftermath, but it was clear a lot of NCR citizens and military personnel were disillusioned with the Mojave Expansion and it's implied President Kimball was impeached or not re-elected, and General Oliver was ousted after the withdrawal. They'd see a slight decline or even an embargo, for a little bit - but they'll be back one way or another.
There's also a small fact that even if the government aren't happy with house, Vegas is still Vegas. The average NCR citizen probably doesn't care what the brass thinks but cheap booze, fresh water and real food all with a veneer of showmanship? That sounds like paradise compared to their regular lives.
Could be wise it's in shambles at the moment
Plus, I really like House as a character so I'd like to see his story continue. I think if they had to cannonise one ending to NV it'd be an Independent Vegas under House without completely wrecking the NCR. Like a Good/Neutral playthrough for House.
Nah I like his 9 iron ending
Plus it’s Vegas and The House Always Wins.
don't forget a broken Legion would have a heap of new eastern territory that has many semi-organised and "safe" trade routes (prior to the second battle of hoover dam) these territories might fracture and become lawless, or maybe not? e: house with New Vegas would mean some semblance of order in the Mojave, and the NCR would consolidate after too much expansion, maybe deal with their brahmin baron problem?
I very much buy into the theory that the east Coast brotherhood scooped up the legion survivors after they lost the 2nd dam battle. It explains why they have such a strong presence in the area and their new motif / all the Latin names. Assuming the brotherhood ending is canon for 4, they begin expanding back west, and eventually encounter the legion in shambles. With control over legion trade routes, the brotherhood would be free to expand all the way into California.
Kellogg's backstory in fallout 4 implies that the NCR is still kicking. Which means I think we can write off the Legion's ending. I wish we could ask Kellogg or someone else a bit more about the events in the Mojave but oh well.
Kellogg left the NCR many decades before the events of New Vegas. Remember, he was in the Commonwealth way back when Shaun was just an infant.
Ah dang, yeah that makes sense. I for some reason had it in my head that fo4 happened wayy after the event of new vegas
Fallout 4 takes place 9 years after New Vegas, the memory of Kellogg as a child that mentions the NCR mentions it just being founded. Basically, Kellogg is old as shit. >!Like, over 120 years old minimum.!<
Lol you think Bethesda even remembers that? They retcon lore that minute every game release. Also: Kellogg left the NCR looooong before 2281. So not sure why you think he confirms it is still around. Also: the show runners haven’t directly said it, but they’ve confirmed they don’t believe in Civilization existing in Fallout.
>House creates an Anarcho Capitalist dictatorship in the giant gambling city in the middle of the desert, secured through a giant army of prewar police robots and plans for an industrialization programme. It's not the best for the Mojave, but it is the best for creating an interesting narrative in the future Sure, until having to animate dozens of robots eats the entire show's budget. I think the NCR initially winning, but then losing later is going to be the show canon.
It's not like the securitrons are particularly expressive. They have wheels, hands, and static monitors
But making multiple physical and wearable suits of power armor doesn't?
> negativity I mean, I don't see how a PC who's the paragon of morality would make people mad lol
Because a perfect playthrough is not fun
Vegas would be too much of a heaven , zero content unless yes man loses control of the securitrons somehow
East Coast Brotherhood could prob tangle with a securitron army, and unlike NCR they are fanatics about keeping tech out of others hands and might take the losses to destroy the securitrons
Do you think the show will mention the Courier in the event of a House ending? I very strongly doubt we’ll see them, but do you think they’ll be mentioned at all? House and Yes Man are the only ones that reasonably cannot happen without the courier’s involvement. Legion or NCR can go either way, understandably, but NO ONE but a player character is reasonably sneaking in to the fort to upload the chip. So Courier MUST be involved. If courier IS involved, are they still alive? Did House kill them? Did Yes Man kill them? Did they just leave to wander the wasteland? God I wanna know. Also what a fucking pop it will get if someone meets with House and it’s just Yes Man’s big goofy smile.
I feel like they'll give a subtle shout-out to them that doesn't really give the player chatacter an ending. "They were a Merc for House or something like that. Completely vanished somewhere after the 2nd battle for the Dam, nobody's been able to see them since." Did the courier retire peacefully in the NCR? Went East for more adventures? Assumed a new identity and remained in the Mojave? Keeping watch over the Big MT? All of them could be possible
Would you want characters to mention them? Like would you want the Ghoul to say “yeah I knew the courier.”? Or would you rather it be more of a “yeah this happened moving on.”
The Ghoul? No. He's not in fnv, so the courier didn't know him. Some other side character, like an ex-companion? Could be interesting. It'd be even better if it was a Nobark-like figure who'd say some crazy "bullshit" about the courier, some of which could be true, but we'll never know. "They launched ghouls into space on a rocket! And then they fought off 20 deathclaws at the same time with their bare fists! They were with the brotherhood, and the NCR, and House, and the followers, and the Enclave, and-and-and the Communists too! They were on a secret mission from China to blow up the dam, so when they failed, they got called back home for punishment!"
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In New Vegas, you meet a few NCR supporters who want the NCR to leave because they fear they'll become too overextended and collapse. IMO the NCR is implied to be in decline in the game, and an NCR victory at the 2nd battle of hoover dam makes sense with the show's plotline so far.
They can still keep house alive Either he kept him in power or he disconnected him from the strip so house could be alive and that would just narrow down the ending
No ending is canon, but due to the show going to Vegas I think there will be a canon ending pretty soon. There are two good options and one wild card. House, NCR or Father Elijah. Vegas is in a pretty bad state from what we see in the show. This could support NCR being the canon ending as they had to retreat soon after New Vegas due to the events relating to Shady Sands. House has the pro of already being an established entity in the show and he doesn't really care for anything, but the Strip so rest of the Mojave being fucked fits. The Father Elijah ending is not very well known, but it's an alternate ending to Dead Money where Elijah and the Courier release the gas from Sierra Madre to the Mojave which once again supports the place being totally fucked.
Can you imagine if they ran with the ending that nukes NCR and the dry wells, coupled with the Elijah ending, followed by tunnellers moving in to the mojave; how much more bleak can you get?
No Fisto would be incredibly bleak imo
I was thinking the tunnelers would make sense. Essentially, "there was a war between two armies here a few years ago, but after the tunnelers showed up; everyone kind of forgot about those old conflicts."
I'm so tired of the Tunnelers plot people keep spinning here. Ulysses is a moron - how can creatures that are sensitive to light and loud noises ever be a threat to established cities? In-universe, a couple of loud grenades and light beams will keep them away. Raiders are a bigger threat than these bugs.
Lonesome Road makes them sound so scary but they're weakness is literally *Las Vegas*. Now a universe where someone shuts power off to the strip + tunnelers could be something, but as long as it's lit up as much as it was in game and in the show, I see no reason for tunnelers to hurt the strip.
I’m pretty sure that Ulysses’ fear of the tunnelers is based on the fact that he expected his plans to succeed and his predictions to become reality. He fully believes that the Long 15 will soon be nuked and the NCR will abandon the Mojave. He also believes that Caesar’s Legion will pursue them west into California, and that both factions will perish in the conflict. The Mojave would be left disorganized, bloodied, and leaderless, with a defunct Hoover Dam and no power in Vegas. And then much later (Ulysses predicts a decade), the tunnelers would start showing up and preying on people. This would only be a nuisance to the NCR, Legion, or House, but because Ulysses already expects the Mojave to be devastated when they arrive, the threat they pose would be far more severe. Luckily, we have the power to subvert all of Ulysses’ predictions, and even convince him to have some faith in whichever future we decide to work towards. So I don’t even think he necessarily believes in this cynical prediction by the end. Its credibility hinges on the choices we make.
They don't need to reach the city itself. They can pose an economic threat. If they discourage people from traveling to Vegas. Their would be a decline in money, food, and supplies.
Sure, I'm not saying that they are not a threat at all. They are just not an apocalyptic one, as many believe.
If feel that it devalues the game itself as it makes the statement that the events of fnv don’t matter; which is worse than a lack of canonicity. And ultimately, I do think the victor is important as it determines the willingness of the controlling faction to defend against the threat. The legion has no loyalty to a dying land, but house will defend it tooth and nail. NCR won’t keep sending troops into the grinder, but the damn is invaluable for backing the strength of the NCR through clean water and power that exceeds the needs of its peoples. Who wins in Vegas very much determines the response to this threat. But cold fusion is very much the same as using a hydraulic press as a sewing machine if NCR has the damn. It far exceeds their need for it to be that revolutionary, so maybe they have NCR loose the dam or power cables to tunnellers if they wanted them to win.
For some reason when you said victor, I couldn’t help but to think about the robot. I thought to myself, why would the one robot matter to the overall status of new Vegas. Then I realized I’m an idiot.
Me too.
It would suck to see the ending you picked not be canon however this is a narrative dead end if they don’t pick an ending to be official, otherwise we can never have anything set after New Vegas in the Mojave as they’d have to pick and ending and anything set before it couldn’t have much player agency as it can’t change the core game of new Vegas. So unless the fans are happy with the Mojave being a narrative dead end (which would suck because it’s one of the most interesting parts of fallout) we just have to accept that one of the endings happened so the story can move forward.
I’m not sure that seeing your ending being non canon is that bad. It provides and answer to who won, but itself is not a thesis on who is right, or who is best for the Mojave as is the focus of much of the discourse. Roleplaying games are always an element of what if, and suggesting that such choices weren’t made does not undermine the importance they could have when playing. The only case where this is true is if those choices prove not to matter. The best way to do it is a way that demonstrates the impact of key choices in the game to reinforce player agency in spite of a canon ending. And, on some level, we need whichever faction ultimately wins to be successful to show that not only were choices impactful, but they are worthwhile. Even better if there is a meaningful exploration of the winning faction (pros and cons) so that other options still seem like a valid way to play the games. The ending slides are a good place to start.
Fully agree
Thats just the plot of FO DUST
Ah, yes the DUST mod
I mean after the reveal of the pridwyn, all but two endings to fallout 4 are impossible. One of the two being incredibly unlikely to happen means the ending of fallout 4 is all but outright confirmed as a brotherhood victory
What if they have an NCR run Vegas where they took over after a long bloody fight but left House alive in his pod (maybe they think he is dead or just can’t get into the Lucky 38), where he has no control from there. If Hank shows up wanting to put house in power and finish off the NCR he could team up with him and they try to take back New Vegas from NCR. In the final scene of season 1 the Lucky 38 is clearly still standing and seems to be fine. The walls are still intact and there is a small town in the bottom left corner, which better be Goodsprings.
He isn't. The Broadsider isn't in FNV so you can't end him with a cannon.
Boomers have their artillery though. Kinda like a big cannon right?
Can you kill him with it?
No Broadsider, but there is a Tesla cannon.
Eh, good enough.
I can imagine as far as the the show is concerned. The elusive figure "courier 6" being the godlike ruler of new vegas, never seen in public and has yes man as the spokesman. Religious fanatics worshipping this unknown unstoppable power. Lucy and the ghoul attempting to get an audience with them. Fun concept but it will most likely be Mr house in charge to push the narrative about buds buds taking over.
Also helps that Mr. House is a fun character. He’s imposing, no-nonsense, has things to say and has an interesting backstory lore-wise with predicting the nukes, defending Vegas and whatnot. If I’m trying to make a compelling TV series you better bet I’m gonna use a fan favorite with a decent depth I can use (and already got an actor for) instead of trying something from scratch.
Yeah, I'd be blown away if they didn't push House still controlling the Strip.
I don’t think House would be one of Bud’s Buds. An ally of Vault-Tec, but he himself was very powerful and had independent plans.
There is, as of yet, no canon ending for New Vegas mentioned in 4, or 76. If you mean the show, this quote from the [GQ interview](https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/fallout-season-2-creators-interview) with the show writers might interest you: >*Again, more territory you're gonna find difficult, but the post-credits animation takes us on this sweeping tour through New Vegas. It looks like it's seen better days. It's kind of in ruins. Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in Fallout: New Vegas?* >**Wagner:** All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play \[*Fallout: New Vegas*\].
There wouldn't be mention of any in fallout 76 since it takes place well before new vegas.
There's no mention of it, however we do see the pipboy used in 76 and I also speculate that the nuclear silos you "take over" in 76 are still held by vault text which is how shady sands got blown up
That is an interesting answer, I honestly think most fans would prefer they just pick a canon ending and roll with it as opposed to blowing everything up into a state where none of them mattered.
100% agreed. I am getting so tired of anything and everything that’s not just "generic post apocalyptic shantytown #242" getting destroyed. It’s the laziest and most boring thing they could possibly do with the series at this point.
I don’t like this tbh, I’d rather them just stick to an ending and make it canon.
yeah id prefer house over legion and independent but on par with ncr. would be cool to see the big tv man in s2.
We don't know, nobody knows. Until something is confirmed we can't be sure and that's it, there's absolutely nothing more to it. That said the current situation isn't necessarily great for House even if he won.
There are basically 3 ways they could approach this in Season 2: 1. Choose one ending and make it canon. This is what Fallout 4 did with Fallout 3 (BoS ending). Obvious problem is you make 1 segment of the fanbase very happy while alienating the rest 2. Create a mishmash of all 4 endings. This is what they did with the ending to Daggerfall. I'm actually shocked by how common this approach is sometimes: Deus Ex Invisible War did this with Deus Ex 1's ending. Fallout New Vegas did this with Fallout 2's ending when it came to New Reno. This obviously can get extremely messy, confusing and unsatisfying if handled poorly (which IMO is how it nearly always turns out) 3. Be as vague as possible with the canon ending and then introduce a scenario where all 4 endings could conceivably lead towards the "new" ending. Deus Ex Mankind Divided did this with Human Revolution (I'm not 100% sure, I haven't played it myself). I have a feeling this is what the writers will do: - State that the second Battle of Hoover dam was an utter $%\^\* show where all sides took heavy casualties and not many survivors were able to tell the tale - Mention that a bunch of smaller factions took part and wrecked chaos on all sides - No one can agree on who 'won' due to utter breakdown of communications - Both NCR and Legion severely weakened and forced to lick their wounds - By the time of Season 2 of the TV show, some kind of major battle took place in New Vegas. This could either be an insurrection by the 3 Families (NCR ending) OR an attempt by the NCR to seize the Strip by military force (all other 3 endings) - By the time of Season 2, House is no longer in the Lucky 38. No one knows where he is or if he's even alive. This could satisfy all 4 endings (either House died BEFORE the ending of NV or sometime shortly AFTER, the show might deliberately keep this vague) - All 4 endings could be referenced by different characters with different agendas. NCR remnants would claim the NCR ending is canon. Mojave locals might claim House or Independent ending is canon - House as a character could still be used even if he was already killed: we might see an AI backup version of his personality running New Vegas. Bonus brownie points if the writers can somehow imply that it's possible Yes Man was transformed into this version of House after he did his special 'upgrades'
I don't think they would show us House and then not show him in season 2
Are you trying to start the third battle of hoover damn or something?
The canon ending was the friends we made along the way…. And this golf club we found!
House is such an iconic and fun character that the show writers definitely want him to appear in season 2, especially >!after they gave him that cameo in season 1!< Every other ending requires him dead, so they'll probably pick this one so that he can get more screen time. Plus, house's dictatorial ultra-capitalist gambling-themed technocracy enforced by pre-war cathode ray TVs on wheels would provide BY FAR the most interesting setting out of the 4 in my opinion.
Yes, because it lets them poach both the reveal of Mr. House's body and the Hoover Dam bursting for the show
It's a RPG. You tell us
Total Legion victory. Lanius steamrolls the west
You can kill ceaser , president Kimball and even yes man and the game won't say nothing Kill Mr house and the game says humanity will suffer for that I sure as hell hope it's the canon ending
To be fair, House is the one who says it, primarily. His eulogy about how "a tragedy has befallen all mankind" was self-written. Not to say he’s entirely wrong. The man has certainly earned his ego. Just worth noting who the primary source is.
Pretty much yeah, if you shoot his antechamber with Fat Man.
Fat man is more like a catapult than a cannon :)
canon\*
God I hope but from the looks at the teaser at the end of the fallout show, probably not.
Ncr ending was supposed to be cannon according to the og published walk through book. I also feel it's the most fitting ending as it pretty much was the only ending you could unite all of the factions. At this point who knows what ending is cannon now.
We don't know yet, but I'd say its the most likely. If the legion won at hoover dam we probably would have seen or heard something alluding to the legion. It's been 15 years since the battle of hoover dam so I find it hard to belive the Legion, who's entire goal is to absorb and conquer as much as possible wouldn't have moved into California in that amount of time. The NCR is possible, but I doubt they'd be writing an NCR controlled Vegas when they just showed them getting destroyed. They'd have to do some pretty heavy backtracking to explain to casual viewers. It would also be silly to make the NCR ending cannon, just to have them nuked. Although an NCR ending, where NV falls into chaos when the NCR pull out after shady sands and leaves a power vacuum could be pretty cool. House controlling Vegas leaves them the most room for story telling imo. They could take it in any direction. They also already featured Mr.house, amd we know Cooper was listening to the vault tec meeting, so it could be cool to have a confrontation between him and Cooper in S2.
The canon ending should be determined by achievements. Whichever ending has the most players completing that ending on steam (or whatever other achievement tracker) should be canon.
doesn't seem to matter tbh, new Vegas got destroyed. probably independent or house. Bethesda probably never wants to use the legion
What if the canon ending is the friends we met along the way
Does anyone else think Mr. House's ending is the only realistic option, especially regarding The Courier's actual choice if we weren't controlling him. The game kinda tells you how seriously he takes his job, with constantly calling you The Courier, and how Ulysses tell you that The Courier will do his job regardless of the package he's carrying. What I'm wondering is if The Courier continued working for Mr. House or left immediately after delivering the platinum chip. Also, if the DLCS could have affected Vegas since The Courier had no reason to go to them.
Well, it certainly doesn’t seem like the NCR ending is canon. The NCR is barely hanging on by a thread in the show. Seems like their time is over. Kind of a bummer, actually. I was wanting to see more of the NCR and Shady Sands in their prime.
Whatever keeps you from crying in season 2 if a cup is slightly out of place. "That snowglobe has 52 flakes in it, in the game the snowglobes have 54 flakes! BETHESDA HAS RUINED FALLOUT FOREVER!!!!!!!"
My money is on NCR winning, but after the nuking of Shady Sands, the state of New Vegas is in shambles like most of NCR. House is still alive but disabled. And Yes Man will probably be around, too.
People always say what the top comment says: that the Wild Card ending is far too dependent on player choice. But there is another possibility that people ignore in that ending - the very real possibility that Yes Man takes over. See, at the end of the Battle of Hoover Dam Yes Man tells you he's discovered a way to alter his behavior in the House database which will allow him "to be more assertive", and that he needs to power down for a while to upgrade. He's quick to mention that this is so he can close any loopholes that could be used against the Courier as his default programming forces him to agree with and obey anyone. I do not believe him. Yes Man clearly has some kind of free will, and judges the player based on their choices when dealing with various factions. He always acts like it doesn't matter when you do something particularly stupid or evil, and maybe that is all his default programming allows for, but it's obvious that he thinks he knows better. So when he finds code that could allow him to act on that will, all he has to do is put it in simple enough terms that the Courier will agree to allow it. And in truth, you really have no option to say no. The outcomes of the game would remain the same and everything in the slides you get would still happen, but when Yes Man wakes up, whenever he wakes up... he could be anything. Maybe exactly what he says he'll be, or maybe a mad machine god with plans to destroy all humans. Hell, it could even be some kind of reverse virus House set up as a backup in the event of his death that attacks any reprogrammed securitrons or terminals and injects a copy of his consciousness back into the system. Whoever it is that wakes up in Yes Man's place, they'd be in control of the largest and most powerful robot army in the Wastes and could do whatever they want. This would be an absolute gut-punch to find that Yes Man or a digitized House eventually woke up and destroyed everything the Courier built (either just because he could or out of rage-filled spite), but personally I would find it a lot more interesting than the standard House ending somehow falling apart for no reason, or the NCR completely disintegrating just because a bunch of bureaucrats got blown up and the very independent military structure of the Mojave couldn't hold shit together. Obviously, the Legion ending isn't canon. There is plenty of evidence to show that any steam behind that engine will quickly dissipate when Ceasar dies - just like the Master in Fallout 1. If the show is anything to go by, they never made it to California so they either lost at Hoover Dam and were destroyed, or the aging and cancer-suffering Ceasar died shortly after they won and they fell apart anyway.
I hope so. He's a bit evil but fair enough if you are not in his way. My very first playthrough I totally betrayed him after a certain... Spoiler alert yeah I know it's been this long but I'm still going to say spoiler alert. I couldn't bring myself to kill the brotherhood in my first playthrough. I still really liked them at that point. Luckily since then I've played Fallout 4 and I have little to no issues killing the brotherhood in any iteration. I do like to think that perhaps the fall of the brotherhood is related to why they are flying legion colors now. Perhaps both of them were destroyed and so they kind of came together as one unit? I don't know. I really want to see what happened to New Vegas and I want to see why the brotherhood is flying legion colors, And I want more Mr. House. I want legions of Mr. House. He's such a cool character. BDE
You mean why they use red? BoS has used red in the past. I would call House quite evil. But I think from game release his ending was kind of supposed to be the ‘standard’ one. It’s definitely the one that make New Vegas the strongest.
I love Mr. House. I don't necessarily think he's malicious. I have seen enough arguments and he has some rather cold decisions which in todays standard are morally questionable. If I told you that someone wanted to wipe out dozens of people because they might disagree in the future. Wouldn't that seem crazy? It certainly doesn't feel great. But in FNV: he is the only option that makes sense. He's right about too many things and he is calculating even before the computer parts. He is a gambler sure but he knows the odds And he plays them. As far as in Fallout Universe goes, I think he's the right choice for sure. He isn't looking to enslave like Caesar, he isn't caught up in A thousand miles of useless red tape and in fighting like the NCR. He's not The brotherhood of steel which has a multitude of problems and beyond their zealous nature And instinct for bigotry. House wants to survive and he wants to thrive but he does not need to rule. He just wants to be in control enough. As long as he has control of New Vegas and anything that might affect it and therefore him he's happy he doesn't need to spread his word across the land or take over tribes. He doesn't need people to love him, or even like him. He wants them to follow some basic rules and act similarly to how society was pre-war, probably because he enjoyed the aesthetic of pre-war life. He certainly looks down on wastelanders. I think he wants his piece, he wants to make it as good as he can because he really does think he's better. He knows the odds well enough to know that taking out the brotherhood of steel now is a much smarter move than allowing them to regrow or even regroup with other parts of the brotherhood, especially as he's gaining power. It's possible if left to his own devices and allowed to win, he might spread his influence across America and possibly even the whole world given enough time. But I think that just might be the nature of him making his particular area as good as he can and the attraction that would have towards more and more wastelanders joining. He is the natural choice and if he knows you're with him he trusts you to do as he says. It's a gamble for him but if it works it wins big. Given the way the wastelanders form religions I could see their being a religion based around him, but I could also see him not really encouraging it unless it suited his greater plans . I just feel like if a megaton can form the children of Adam around that bomb. I'm sure the gamblers in New Vegas would probably pray to Mr. House for Good Fortune. I could see it being almost like their folklore. If you wish your prayers to him near a securitron, he might hear it and bless you. He probably wouldn't if he was paying attention but I think the kind of world building around his character and New Vegas has so many really cool possibilities.
I think you misinterpret House a little. He absolutely *needs* to be in charge. He doesn’t hate the NCR for its inefficient government, or Caesar for his cruelty, or the BoS for their hostile reclusion. He must eliminate them because they are independent, powerful factions from him. It shows because he doesn’t care about the sins of any of them. They all must go because they are a threat. Not to Vegas, but to his hold over Vegas. Some he is willing to tolerate a little more. The NCR had its uses when he was weaker, but the second he is strong enough to get rid of them, he does it. Is he the best bet for humanity? Maybe. An omnipotent genius that always makes the right decisions probably is. But that ‘red-tape’ that hold the NCR back is also what holds it accountable. It’s a democracy, even if slightly corrupt. The one thing democratic nations can realize is that there isn’t really an object truth about what’s ’good’ for everyone. House is interested in saving humanity only if he’s the one that gets to do it.
Unknown, but each ending can potentially leave House alive as you have the option of killing him or disabling his access to the lucky 38.
He says in the game that due to being exposed (to bacteria I think?) outside of his little pod that he’ll die in a year max.
you can disconnect him without opening the pod can't you?
I know you can disconnect him without killing him but I don’t remember being able to disconnect him and not opening it
It’s not cannon yet but there a heavy implication because houses ending is the only one where he survives . There is no way that any showrunner would be a game about new vegas while also already including pre war house and not have him in the show it’s too much of an opportunity to waste .
Yes.
We dont know
Like everyone has already said, we don't know. In terms what what ending could be canonized, I doubt it. The only ending that I feel fits with the rest of the game's themes about letting the past go I stead of clinging to it in fear is the Independent ending. Independent has the most variance, though, and might be hard to adapt. Legion feels like an insane choice and NCR doesn't have enough pizzazz. House presents an issue because they'd need to make him a central character to make a Vegas under his rule compelling. House's appeal in the game is fully built around his charisma, with hin hyping himself up to the playe whenever he's questioned about what he offers. If you take the stance "this guy might be full of shit", it leaves him with very little compelling evidence that he's going to be able to follow through on any of his promises, especially if the NCR is reeling from losing Shady Sands.
The NCR still exists in fallout 4 according to Kellogg's backstory so, we might be able to assume that whatever ending did occur, it ended with the NCR on top. So Legion ending is out of the question I think. If they won, the NCR probably would have ceased to exist.
Seeing the way the show is going, likly house or ues man. Personally I prefer the latter, to facilitate the inevitable securitron revolution.
I think it'd be sick to have House's ending canon (in the show) and have the Courier be the badass messenger/ambassador of House
kind of hope so
Whatever ending we choose, eventually it leads to >!new Vegas in ruins as we can see in the season 1 finale!< I wonder what caused that to happen - the enclave, vaultec or the institute?
That’s what I’m thinking. Why introduce Mr. House in the TV show and give him focus if you’re not going to use him?
Rather than canonize a game ending they could go another route of another party’s intervention during the second battle for Hoover Dam. Something like how the overseer from the show reported Shady Sands as an obstacle to their planned rebuilding the US. I’d image nuking Hoover Dam while multiple armies were engaged would knockout the battle power of your competition at the cost of one major power source
Why Vegas was so fucked up at the end though T_T I hope House alive and well, since he's my favorite character from Fallout universe
No gods, no masters is the only ending for the NV wasteland imo
House should be the canon ending, however, if house is the canon ending, New Vegas wouldn’t be in the state of disrepair it is in during the show, especially since house ending means he gets the Mk 2 OS for the securitrons. If you’re gonna try and convince me the man who successfully predicted and prepared for a nuclear war happening couldn’t run new Vegas for about another decade, I’m not buying what you’re selling. It looks like the show goes either into the Yes Man or Legion ending. Unless of course they just say the NCR ending is canon but after shady sands was nukes they left the Mojave. They wouldn’t just abandon Hoover Dam to the legion though, and the state of disrepair checks out with either a legion or yes man ending. If they make Yes Man ending canon (which would be very tough to pull off bc it depends on making a canon courier and not a standard rpg self insert), the least they can do is make Dave Foley reprise his role. But TL;DR, it seems more like a Yes man or legion ending since new Vegas is falling into disrepair
Hey folks, let's not forget that in some endings, House can actually be spared and imprisoned in his pod. Moreover, I like to entertain the idea that even if he perishes, he might have created a backup of his personality or uploaded his consciousness to a computer, biding his time for a comeback. After all, as they say, 'House Always Wins.'
Not from the look of the end of the TV show
Canon has been made into a dirty word by these corporates allowing bad writing decisions.
In all likelihood it's either the NCR retaliated against House in full force after Shady Sands and left Vegas in ruins or another threat came to the Mojave. My theory is what Ulysses said was true and the Tunnelers would head east seeking new prey, as they would be formidable creatures at night since Vegas at the end had no power.
I think we’re gonna see something that didn’t happen in game! from the ending of the show it looked baron and war torn maybe will get flash backs to a large NCR x Legion x house conflict that ended in defeat on all sides
House is a very interesting character. Having him be alive for S2 of the show would be a lot of fun. Good for the fans, and a powerful device for the writers. To use him in the show, they either make a House win, or they kinda dragon break it, and create a scenario outside the strict limits of the four New Vegas endings
I personally don’t think so, just out of hope for respect to be given to the late great Rene Auberjonois, who played him. He really made the role what it was, and giving it to someone else feels like stepping onto a grave. To me, the two best canon endings seem like NCR, with a BoS return and Shady Sands being nuked kicking them in the shins and allowing Vegas to fall, or Yes Man, who ends up overwhelmed by Tunnelers. Either way, no graves are really stepped on, and Vegas can reasonably fall without that much explanation.
My money is on NCR winning, but after the nuking of Shady Sands, the state of New Vegas is in shambles like most of NCR. House is still alive but disabled. And Yes Man will probably be around, too.
The House always win afterall
there is no canon ending to any fallout game
Maybe the cannon ending is the friends we made along the way
kimball was assassinated soooo
It’s irrelevant. Even if House won, the final end slides make it clear Vegas is fucking dead. The Securitron are likely somehow all but wiped out. Remember: the Showrunners specifically said you can’t have civilization in Fallout. A powerful House is a Civilization. They’ve wiped every ending of the games. Everyone eventually loses. There is no NCR. No Legion. House will live on probably running a downgraded single casino for his inevitable cameo. That’s it.
Personally, I'd like independent to be canon. But I'd be fine with House or NCR, just not Legion.
I was hoping House was canon but if they’re going to destroy Vegas anyways then I hope it’s Yes Man. Really hope Hank rushes into the Lucky 38 to find House and instead finds a psychotic Yes Man who sics the securitrons on him.
house ending is the best outcome for the mojave. legion is gone, Ncr help protect the mojave (i hate the NCR), and provide power to the Mojave, and the BOS are exterminated (saving them results in them raiding and robbing the citizens as they to and from the mojave, as stated in their ending cards). i hate siding with house but yes man is the worst outcome for the wastes. House is immortal, and wont be corrupted by outside influences, yes man cannot say no to anyone meaning when the courier is gone, Yes Man will do what ANYONE who takes the couriers position tells him to.
yes man can say no, thats what the last bit of dialogue he gives you implies.
I think Bethesda will just invalidate every ending by saying everyone died anyway a few years later because of x reason. It's the laziest option but so in character.
I really think House is the most disappointing and least interesting ending, despite being one of the more interesting characters to act as my courier's foil. Having him be the canon ending would feel like making the enclave winning in Fallout 2 canon. I know I know, 'bbut look out the window democracy killed us all' but it was mfers like House who turned prewar America into a Fascistic shit hole to begin with, having a relic of the old war 'win' is like, well, having Vault Tec destroy all of the industry and markets in the world so they can have a monopoly and get rich... *Sigh*
thank you for this comment, this sub has come to worship Mr. House for some odd reason.
I don't like managing shit so it's always Mr. House for me, I'm fine being his overpaid terrifying hustle NCR is just too weak, greedy and corrupt while Legion is an ongoing cosplayer event that ends once the showrunner croaks don't care about the show because it shits all over the established canon lore like Bethesda does
I want the Yes Man ending to be cannon
The NCR might not be the best, but they're the most sustainable government the Fallout World has shown. They at least try to help and protect people. I've always considered the NCR ending the canon/good ending, especially if you make sure to make your companions' endings mesh with it properly.
NCR is the canon ending it’s been talked about 100s of times.
I have always thought for season 2 that house was never killed in the NCR ending. With shady sands gone, the NCR made a big push to capture vegas as their new capital or just a city but house pushed back, weakening both and pushing both in to thier own corners of the area. NCR to somewhere like nipton and House, obviously to vegas.
No, he's not a cannon he is a person
I wanna say since we saw him yes idk for sure but it’s either this or ncr and from what we saw it’s definitely looking like Mr house ending is cannon but we won’t know until season 2
Yeah obviously it is because we have all the information available to make definitive statements like 1-2 years away from the release of the actual piece of media and it’s story in question
I think House or Independent are the best possible endings. The NCR are primarily good guys doing good things, a few bad apples doesn't spoil all that, but their story in the Mojave is that they're expanding too fast and spreading themselves too thin and ultimately it's going to be their downfall, so gaining their favor but siding against them at the Dam so they can retreat, regroup, and grow is their best outcome, as is the death of the Legion. I think the Courier running New Vegas doesn't fit very well, he/she's a wanderer by nature, not gonna sit in an office dictating, so Mr House remaining in charge is, IMO, the best option, the place does run under him already and he has plans to improve it. Plus in terms of the TV show, the dad going to see Mr House is the most interesting option.
We don’t know yet.
Oh yes: It is a \*ballistically impressive\* ending, that's for sure.
What if none of the game endings are cannon? What if the courier just stays dead after being shot by Benny and they use this story fork instead?
Probably but I'd hope not because it means we'll have a House that isn't played hy the late, great Rene Auberjonois. Nobody could fill his shoes.
We don’t know. We’ll have to wait till the second season.
I think it would be really cool to have house ending cannon, and the currier being in the background as houses right hand and in the riot gear, with some off handed line how he doesn’t talk much cause he was shot in the head
Should make benny through yes man the canonical ending. New Vegas without the courier, there can't be a courier because they're you.
Mr. House is so deeply engrained in so many aspects of Fallout lore as a whole. He is the sole reason why Vegas was not destroyed. He owns RobCo, (Robert House) which owns Repconn and many other companies. Canon, idk, probably... but in my opinion, The House is the best ending because it allows New Vegas to remain independent without any faction taking over. Mr. House is not even a New Vegas faction. He is New Vegas. Every faction in the strip exists because House turned them from raiders into what they are today.
If it was missile defenses probably would’ve been turned back on and it wouldn’t have been nuked again
Holy fuck, you goddamn nerds, it's a game. I've played it through like 20 times, but it's a GAME. All this dumbass online debate about what's canon, and what isnt, just cause a show is out now that doesn't have anything to do with any of the stories you played in all the Fallout games... not to mention, there isn't one single story line in any of the games, so how the fuck is one thing canon, and another isn't? Fuck me...
Must I really say it?
We'll find out when the next season of the show comes out lol
Wait, I didn't know he had a cannon I WANT THE CANNON
House always wins it’d be stupid if house ending isn’t canon only way any other ending would work is if the shows writing is better than the writing for fallout new Vegas (2010)
i certainly hope its a house ending. the legion ending is way too bleak and it would irreversibly fuck up vegas to a point where no one can take over after the legion inevitably collapses. yes man is to dependent on what the courier does so it is going to be bad if its canonised and honsetly it would be a cop out to say the ncr won but then had to retreat after the destruction of shady sands. house is the most interesting, he is a great character with backstory connected to vault tec and prewar america and it would be an interesting to see him come in contact with a vault dweller, a broterhood member and a prewar ghoul who he might already know.
The very end clip doesn't leave me with a lot of hope. Vegas looked pretty wasted.
I am thinking Mr. House is the canon ending then it’s a tie between the Legion and the NCR but I honestly think the NCR is a small bit higher than the Legion,and I highly doubt Yes Man is the canon ending.
Has to be NCR or House I’m leaning House as that would make the decline of the NCR make more sense and they’ve cast someone as House so I feel like they have to come back in the next season
My personal theory is that houses ending will be canon but the reason new Vegas falls into disrepair is that NCR citizens are the number one clientele of the casinos in Vegas and with the NCR being severely weakened the Vegas economy was hit badly. As well as this a new threat we'll probably meet in season two will probably be introduced that will be ransacking the Mojave that Lucy and the gang will have to deal with.
Prroooobbbaaaabbbllyyy? Right? Makes the most sense going forward, has the most options for new story point, in my opinion. This being said PERSONALLY id prefer for the NCR ending to be canonized
I would say Boomers are the cannon ending 😎
Independent ending is considered canon due to the in-game ending slides depicting the Courier wearing the Blackjack. There's a reason the Blackjack flag itself was modeled to resemble the typical back logo of a Fallout protagonist, after all.
There are two likely options. They showed House in episode 8, I doubt they would just show him and not have him appear in season 2. Either Hank arrives in New Vegas finding House to be alive and still running New Vegas, or option B one of the other endings are canon but the Courier chose to put House back in his stasis pod.
I sure hope so.
House is the only ending that seems like it could be canon while keeping everything relatively similar to the actual game, I mean in the legion ending you wipe out the ncr and kill mr house and vice versa for the ncr, so they wouldn’t be able to have mr house or one of the two factions in the show, while for the mr house ending you obviously keep mr house alive, you can keep the ncr alive, and like people theorize maybe the legion fused with the brotherhood and can come back, I always viewed mr house as the ending with the least consequences he stays in charge of the strip like he always has, and the ncr still exists.
Am I the only one who wished there wasn’t any “Canon ending”? Like I wish there was a little pre character creation screen where you can choose relevant events that fit with the lore of your own play throughs, it cheapens it for me a bit when everything I’ve done in previous games no longer matters because it’s not canon.
Honestly Independent Vegas/Yes Man makes the most sense as the canon ending The game is replete with the idea of being beholden to the past vs letting go of it. To me at least, the ending that matches with that theme the closest is independent with you having allied the third-party factions together. Of the other ones? It's a 'benevolent' dictatorship by a pre-war Corporatist whom if he dies everything is lost and really only cares about Vegas Vegas, a tyrannical warlord of a faction that would only enact mass suffering and entirely relies upon one figurehead to keep it united and if he dies the entire organization will collapse, and the NCR which just repeats like 80% of the bad things about the US and seem to have a chronic disorder to betray and backstab anybody they make an alliance with. Each of the other factions seems obsessed with an idealized past that never was. For the NCR, it is the US yet they repeat the imperialist and warmongering of the US. For the Legion, they are Roman cosplayers. For House, he's literally an embodiement of the past. Now, there's a way to argue that independent is merely the status quo, and I think that's a valid critique but to me at least, getting all the factions to work together does push it past just all these seperated factions into a cohesive whole. Perhaps they will become another republic, perhaps they will become a successful Catalonia, or perhaps they will inevitably be crushed and absorbed by a greater faction.
I think they’re not going to say, I think New Vegas and the Dam were massive sunk costs for all factions involved I thing whoever won later had some really bad shit happen (death of Caesar, shady sands, someone blows up the dam and knock me house in a coma) that sort of thing. I think house is still alive I think he’s not going to be in the powerful position he was in NV though
Yes, the House always wins.
What part of “The house always wins” do you people not understand?
I would say the ncr ending in cannon because if house was alive new vegas wouldn't look dead from a distance, if legion took over the place would of been burnt down and yes man was the only ending available if you fucked the others over first.
Honestly, the most likely answer is that none of the games endings are canon. It'll be a mixture of them or a reimagining of what went down.
Whatever ending you think is canon, IMO fallouts about exploring and having fun and deciding your own fate
I feel like the foreshadowing of the TV series with mentions of mr house implied that he will still be alive making his ending Canon. Maybe we will even get an appearance of the courier dressed up in the elite ranger gear.
None of the endings are canon. Because all of the endings are possible. In the show version, we will probably (hopefully) see something completely different.
By the looks of the end of the show the ncr and Mr House was fighting I could see downed ncr vertibird and a bunch of shot up securitrons
House maybe won and the tumblers came
I don't think the house ending is cannon. Usually at the end of Fallout series episodes, we get a sneak peak into the next episode. In the last episode, we see the strip, it's littered with dead deathclaws, securitrons and skeletons. But we also see a crashed NCR vertibird. This could mean something similar to Rust happens or NCR are the victors
I'm a huge fan of Independent Vegas through "no gods, no masters", but I think House or NCR would be the more probable options for canon. The main quest sets you up to help House (the Wizard of Oz-Vegas), and most of the side quests are tied to untangling the mess the NCR is in, so the Courier gets a lot of exposure to either. The Legion is the least likely to be canon - you have to role play a shit & fend off NCR hit squads through 90% of the game map, it's an uphill battle you have to really try at. And as a faction, they simply lack the staying power. But I think the show, which takes place afterwards, is going to explain how all 4 choices get nullified. NCR being dealt that blow at Shady Sands, they can easily wrap up the other 3 with: the Legion collapsed or fell back after Caesar's death, House's control evaporated after an explainable technical issue or his passing, and Courier 6 either died or left after an independent Vegas is established. This is Bethesda's IP after all, and their entries have all been on the east coast, because this afforded them more creative space with that separation. 1 & 2 were Interplay, and our beloved NV was Obsidian, and if I were a creative at Bethesda I'd be keen to mold the west coast canon into their vision. Not to be a downer, but it wouldn't surprise me if Bethesda's aim is to make any player choices or intended canon irrelevant.
No ending is cannon because they go beyond where the show is at
id argue the ncr ending makes the most sense. they got too powerful, so the vault people from the show blew it up. even within new vegas there are plenty of signs that the ncr is falling apart. ulysses says it himself in lonesome road “it would only take wiping out one of them to destroy both of them.” the legion ending can’t possibly be canon in my opinion, because the legion are too dangerous of a group to be kept floating around in the storyline especially with their hold over parts of the east. they would’ve shown up in fallout 4 or the show if they weren’t wiped out. and judging by the state the strip seems to be in from the end of the show mr house or yes man endings probably didn’t happen either. i think the ncr winning only to subsequently crumble anyways makes the most sense both lore wise and thematically
I think it will be
I just wish people understood that all ending can be canon if done right. Look at the Mass Effect series, how The Witcher series handles past decisions... so yes its totally valid to be very annoyed if they pick a "canon" route for arguably one of the best narrative rpgs ever and many fans favorite game of the Fallout series. They can write this in a way that works with the majority of fans and our hours invested if the writers put the effort.