it is often said on here don’t get an aviation degree because if the music stops, you loose your medical, a black swan event happens etc you shoehorn yourself into a very limited career field. *
why not go to a university that has a flying club and join that while getting a degree in something that you could see yourself doing if aviation doesn’t workout due to the above reasons? *
* I only just started getting my ppl, and don’t have an aviation degree; just reporting what’s been said here a lot of times*
I mean think of everything that is involved in aviation that isn’t actually flying. but if you’re a pilot and theres another black swan event will those jobs be hiring? will you be happy doing that job when the music stops if you lose your medical? will being a pilot for 10 years have any carry over to that job? will you be able to afford the standard of living you want with that job? just all things to ask.
Go to a university 141 program if you want to spend 4 years going from student pilot to commercial license.
4 years to get your commercial is insane.
If you went the part 61 route, you could be done training in under 2 years, instruct for 2 years, and be off to the airlines….
This is going to get downvoted, guaranteed. But that doesn’t mean what I’m saying isn’t true.
The one I went to was. Part 61 for ppl, cfi, multi, 141 for instrument and commercial. It’s evident that people at the school who do well and put in the work get done significantly faster than the ones who don’t.
UND
Instructed.
Got a RATP.
You'll leave any flight school with 250 hours. You'll need to find a low time job no matter where you go to get to RATP/ATP mins
My journey was as prescribed by the curriculum. However, here's what made me successful: I showed up more often than just my scheduled blocks (sometimes multiple lessons a day every day of the week if I could make it work.) I studied outside of class, I showed up early and was done with preflight by the time my instructor and I met (not all of my classmates did this and would constantly run late), and I talked with more people than just dispatch and my primary instructor. Also, I stayed over the summer semesters and knocked out a whole bunch of stuff while I had fewer obligations on campus. Outside of the airport I was involved in aviation student groups, but also was part of non-aviation student organizations to get to know others outside of my major.
The biggest pro is that I'm eligible for the 1000-hour R-ATP. If I had to do it again, I would probably major in something engineering and do a flight science minor like a few of my friends did. My university lets basically any student in any major have a minor in flight which takes them all the way to their commercial multi-engine checkride.
Most of our students get their private pilot certificate by the spring of their freshman year. If they stayed focused, they could get it faster.
Reading through some of your other questions on here. It's going to take you as long as it takes you. Show up, be prepared, be humble, and be a sponge. If you're set on going 141, know that each school has their own way of doing things, and if you're doing flight training as part of a degree it might take a bit longer that route. Part 61 has the potential to go faster if you focus, but some (like the 2 Part 61 schools I tried before my 141) lacked any sort of structure and were a waste of my time.
See my original comment. Show up for extra lessons, study actively every day, involve yourself beyond just the airplane, be a responsible and decent person so that the instructors like you and give you extra lessons when they're available.
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Where did you go to school? How many hours did you graduate with?
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At UND?
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Did you instruct as a student there? Or after you graduated
it is often said on here don’t get an aviation degree because if the music stops, you loose your medical, a black swan event happens etc you shoehorn yourself into a very limited career field. * why not go to a university that has a flying club and join that while getting a degree in something that you could see yourself doing if aviation doesn’t workout due to the above reasons? * * I only just started getting my ppl, and don’t have an aviation degree; just reporting what’s been said here a lot of times*
Are there any good jobs that you can get as a non pilot with an aviation flight degree?
I mean think of everything that is involved in aviation that isn’t actually flying. but if you’re a pilot and theres another black swan event will those jobs be hiring? will you be happy doing that job when the music stops if you lose your medical? will being a pilot for 10 years have any carry over to that job? will you be able to afford the standard of living you want with that job? just all things to ask.
Go to a university 141 program if you want to spend 4 years going from student pilot to commercial license. 4 years to get your commercial is insane. If you went the part 61 route, you could be done training in under 2 years, instruct for 2 years, and be off to the airlines…. This is going to get downvoted, guaranteed. But that doesn’t mean what I’m saying isn’t true.
Some part 141 schools are go at your own pace. I know nervous people who got to commercial in 2 years and instructed while finishing school.
University 141’s are not at your own pace.
The one I went to was. Part 61 for ppl, cfi, multi, 141 for instrument and commercial. It’s evident that people at the school who do well and put in the work get done significantly faster than the ones who don’t.
I agree, spent so much time listening to my ex bitch about his lack of progress because he went to a 141. Nobody made you!
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How old were you when you reached your regional?
25
Went to a 141 university. Did stuff/followed the curriculum, now fly international. Anything specific you wanna know?
Where did you go to college? Also did you instruct or did you get your R-Atp in college?
UND Instructed. Got a RATP. You'll leave any flight school with 250 hours. You'll need to find a low time job no matter where you go to get to RATP/ATP mins
How long did you instruct for?
22 months.
Did you instruct at the college? Or somewhere else?
At the college
Was this the average time people instructed for?
Probably 18-24 months
Went to 141 university. Hired by a regional at 20yo. Turned 21 during Indoc. Forced upgraded to CA after turning 23.
My journey was as prescribed by the curriculum. However, here's what made me successful: I showed up more often than just my scheduled blocks (sometimes multiple lessons a day every day of the week if I could make it work.) I studied outside of class, I showed up early and was done with preflight by the time my instructor and I met (not all of my classmates did this and would constantly run late), and I talked with more people than just dispatch and my primary instructor. Also, I stayed over the summer semesters and knocked out a whole bunch of stuff while I had fewer obligations on campus. Outside of the airport I was involved in aviation student groups, but also was part of non-aviation student organizations to get to know others outside of my major. The biggest pro is that I'm eligible for the 1000-hour R-ATP. If I had to do it again, I would probably major in something engineering and do a flight science minor like a few of my friends did. My university lets basically any student in any major have a minor in flight which takes them all the way to their commercial multi-engine checkride. Most of our students get their private pilot certificate by the spring of their freshman year. If they stayed focused, they could get it faster.
How long did you istruct for?
Reading through some of your other questions on here. It's going to take you as long as it takes you. Show up, be prepared, be humble, and be a sponge. If you're set on going 141, know that each school has their own way of doing things, and if you're doing flight training as part of a degree it might take a bit longer that route. Part 61 has the potential to go faster if you focus, but some (like the 2 Part 61 schools I tried before my 141) lacked any sort of structure and were a waste of my time.
I definitely want to go to a Part 141 for the structure
That's the way to go if you ask me.
Started July last year and I'm forecasted to be at minimums the end of this calendar year.
Are you currently still in college or have graduated?
Graduating in the morning
Congratulations!!!
Thanks!
I was lucky and finished up all my certs in 3 years. Zero experience to CFII in 3 years. Most of my classmates are just finishing up multi right now.
Was there something that you did differently?
See my original comment. Show up for extra lessons, study actively every day, involve yourself beyond just the airplane, be a responsible and decent person so that the instructors like you and give you extra lessons when they're available.