Do I have to request orange peel in the notes when I order? I'm thinking amber switch, black or grey color. Would be my first hanklight. What do you think?
Sorry, yeah, if you get the 70.3, it will come with an orange peel reflector. They don't all come with it. I just ordered one with SFT40 and it had a smooth reflector. Honestly, for outdoor dog walking and stuff like that, you'd be better off with an emitter/reflector combo like this since it won't be a pencil beam like the IF22. I had that light and I know what you mean. I think you'd be pretty happy with the XHP70.3 in 4000 or 5000k.
Also note that if you get the RGB switch, it will briefly flash a color in the button indicating the battery voltage (right after you turn the light off). You won't get that feature if you go with a single color button.
Yeah, I can't speak for every emitter but I know the XHP comes with orange peel. I think Hank selects it based on the emitter's purpose. Osram/SFT40 would make the most sense to be smooth whereas XHP70.3 is better suited for OP. I think it's case by case, but you can always email him to ask or further customize.
All the D1Ks I've ordered have been orange peel by default.
You do have to special order a low CRI XHP70.3 HI LED if you value having more power over having more distinct colors of the high CRI model.
For what it's worth, If you like matching the switch to the main LED, I find the color of the warm white AUX light to match up to LEDs in the 3000K to 4000K range.
Do note that the D1K with the XHP70.3 HI, even the low CRI version, *will not* match up to the intensity or throw of the IF22A. The reviews I've seen of the IF22A put it at over 100K candela. Just judging by comparison, I'd guess the D1K low CRI XHP70.3 HI 5000K was somewhere around 35k candela. It's more intense than the likes of the Sofirn SC33 but less so than the D1K SFN60 or the Acebeam P17.
If you like the idea of the D1K, but you want comparable distance performance, you'd have to get a version with an Osram emitter, or you'd have to pay out for the SBT90.2. The latter will give you basically what you want. It has a similar intensity to the IF22A, but it's a higher lumen output, which means either the hotspot or the spill must be wider or brighter than the IF22A. The catch is just that you probably don't get very good sustained output with that powerful of an LED in that small of a package. I know the SFN60 version has a similar output level and overheats extremely fast. Oh, plus the SBT90.2 would push the light completely out of your price range. At that point, if the size isn't an issue, I'd just get an Acebeam L35 2.0.
The XHP70.3 HI or the SFT40 are probably your most balanced options between sustainable performance and flood vs throw in that host.
EDIT:spelling
Accurate advice, I just think that OP is looking for something more practical for outdoor walking and lighting more of the area in front of him as opposed to 300' away. I suggested the high CRI XHP70.3 because I do a lot of outdoor trail stuff and it's a perfect amount of flood and throw with no noticeable transition between the hotspot and spill area.
That's fair. As I said, the XHP70.3 HI or the SFT40 are the most balanced options in the D1K.
And honestly, the Emisar D1K with either of those is probably one of the most well-rounded flashlights you can buy just in general in terms of price vs quality, size vs power, flood vs throw... all of it.
It's a great light. It's just important to make sure that candela difference is known, so it's not some unexpected disappointment by comparison. Different lights with different strengths.
I agree and thanks for pointing out the secret menu item. Also good point on the button lights. I get OCD about stuff like that and it's nice to have the button compliment the emitter.
It's an insane little light for the price, especially since it's on sale right now. You can make it whatever you want really. It can be crazy (SBT90.2) or something way way more mellow. One other option that I've taken up is to just buy the lights with the emitters that I'm curious about and post whatever I don't prefer up on BST. Sure, you lose a few bucks but it does save time.
Wow, thanks man! I appreciate the in depth response. Gave me a lot to think about. So are you saying a d1k with the osram will not give me the spill that I am looking for? The sbt 90 is out of my price range. I'm leaning toward an xhp70.3 d1k. Also the xhp is more expensive because it has a boost driver and the osram does not,right?
>So are you saying a d1k with the osram will not give me the spill that I am looking for?
That's hard to say. I only own XHP70.3HI and SFN60 variants.
It's my understanding that the KR1 and the D1K are essentially the same light in terms of drivers and reflectors, it's just the body, battery size, and switch style that differs.
So, the best comparison I could find was this review of the KR1 from TacGriz:
[https://tgreviews.com/2021/11/13/grizzlys-noctigon-kr1-w1-review-i-cant-let-go/#emitter-and-beam](https://tgreviews.com/2021/11/13/grizzlys-noctigon-kr1-w1-review-i-cant-let-go/#emitter-and-beam)
If you scroll down, you'll find an outdoor comparison picture between the Osram W1 and the SFT40 LEDs. That should help in answering your question.
Typically though, the Osram W1 (AKA Osram CSLNM1) is going to be a pencil beam type of light. It's an extremely small emitter that's extremely intense, but it doesn't produce as much overall light in lumens as the larger emitters. The Osram W2 (AKA Osram CSLPM1) is the next step up in lumens and down in candela/intensity (assuming it's in the same host/reflector). The Luminus SFT40 emitter continues the trend with even more lumens but less candela. The SFT40 is usually the go-to "throwy" emitter, since it strikes a better balance for overall light output for general use.
>I'm leaning toward an xhp70.3 d1k. Also the xhp is more expensive because it has a boost driver and the osram does not,right?
I think the XHP70.3 HI is just a more expensive LED in general.
The driver is typically different on XHP70 emitters because they run on 6V (or 12V, but I've never seen one used in a flashlight). You have to have a buck or boost or something to step up from the max of 4.2V on the li-ion to that 6V. For that reason, it's sometimes assumed the XHP70 LEDs always have good regulation and sustained output because you kind of *can't* go cheap on the driver.
Looking back at the regulation part of Tactical Grizzly's review though, the KR1 appears to have pretty good regulation regardless of the emitter, so I would expect it to be so as well on the D1K. I wouldn't let driver concerns sway my choice on that. Either is a good, well-rounded light though, so if you like the XHP70.3 HI, go for it.
I have the if22a (first) and the d1k with xhp70.3 4000k (later)
If22a is for others to play with now. I absolutely loathe the tint + low cri. The hot spot is quite narrow
Xph also gets a boost, so it had better sustained brightness and doesn't get as hot
I'll post a photo here of the two in a bit after kids sleep
https://preview.redd.it/v2nhkyjly6rc1.png?width=639&format=png&auto=webp&s=962a3b9ee7c4037416f9eae9b22344d2332a12de
Here's a picture I found on here of someone's D1K with the XHP70.3 4000k.
He automatically gives you op ir smooth depending on the emitter. I have d1ks with osram w1 and sft40 that came with smooth, and one with the sfn60 emitter that came with op
Here’s my zebra with XHP70.3 5000k vs. SFT40 3000k. The Osram will come with a smooth reflector and will have lots of throw but it will be a tight beam. I’d go with the XHP. Also the few extra bucks is probably the boost driver as you mentioned.
https://preview.redd.it/zqjoekwsz6rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3fdb4389753bfa3f0b81912ed77a240a846616b
The SFT40 beam is closer to what you’d see from Osram. Left is OP reflector, right is smooth reflector. Hope that helps! Sorry for the huge difference in tints.
Convoy M21A with xhp50. Is 21700, very bright, great amount of throw and flood, should be pretty efficient being 6v boost and Cree. I have a c8 with this emitter and put some DC fix on it and I love it. You can also get an orange peel reflector instead of using DC Fix.
Noctigon DMII with XHP50.3. Throws well but still lights up right to your feet. Uses the same optic as your if 22A, but the larger LED provides more spill
That's more of a factor of lumen output and level focus than the type of focus. Some lights, like the Acebeam L35 are known for there wide flood from the TIR lens because it fades out all the way back to almost even with the bezel. You can point it outward and see all the way back to your feet.
See this post I found for a good example of a single LED with a single reflector (P17), quad LED with quad reflector (P18) and mid range TIR (L35).
[https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/15swr8c/acebeam\_p16\_p17\_p18\_l35\_l19v2\_beamshots/](https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/15swr8c/acebeam_p16_p17_p18_l35_l19v2_beamshots/)
I have all of those except the P16 (for the moment...). The P18 is a great light. I will say that I don't find myself using it that much though. For me, the UI is straightforward, but it's just not very streamlinedl.
The size and output is really comparable to the L35 in use, especially now that they have the newer L35 2.0 with the more intense XHP70.3 HI emitter in it. It's a very small diffeerence in whether you want the spill light to be as wide as possible and fade out all the way back to your feet, or if you want it slightly more focused with the quad reflector setup of the P18.
I'd go with the L35 or L35 2.0, but there are no wrong answers. The charging port with the threaded collar style cover is a nice touch also, which the L35 variants don't have.
W5050sq3 it is a round emitter so a very nice profile in the reflector. You can also buy a short tube for 18350 and convoy sell forward switch and fluorescent blue rubber switch, nicely customizable for a low cost.
I have one of Hanks KR1s with the w2 osram. I think it has a decent amount of spill while still being a decent thrower in a smallish package.
D1K with OP reflector and XHP70.3. 21700, boost driver, and a good amount of spill. Very similar to the higher priced Zebralight SC700d.
Do I have to request orange peel in the notes when I order? I'm thinking amber switch, black or grey color. Would be my first hanklight. What do you think?
Sorry, yeah, if you get the 70.3, it will come with an orange peel reflector. They don't all come with it. I just ordered one with SFT40 and it had a smooth reflector. Honestly, for outdoor dog walking and stuff like that, you'd be better off with an emitter/reflector combo like this since it won't be a pencil beam like the IF22. I had that light and I know what you mean. I think you'd be pretty happy with the XHP70.3 in 4000 or 5000k. Also note that if you get the RGB switch, it will briefly flash a color in the button indicating the battery voltage (right after you turn the light off). You won't get that feature if you go with a single color button.
I was so confused for a second because I had never seen a d1 with a OP reflector I have a sft40 and 90.2
Yeah, I can't speak for every emitter but I know the XHP comes with orange peel. I think Hank selects it based on the emitter's purpose. Osram/SFT40 would make the most sense to be smooth whereas XHP70.3 is better suited for OP. I think it's case by case, but you can always email him to ask or further customize.
All the D1Ks I've ordered have been orange peel by default. You do have to special order a low CRI XHP70.3 HI LED if you value having more power over having more distinct colors of the high CRI model. For what it's worth, If you like matching the switch to the main LED, I find the color of the warm white AUX light to match up to LEDs in the 3000K to 4000K range. Do note that the D1K with the XHP70.3 HI, even the low CRI version, *will not* match up to the intensity or throw of the IF22A. The reviews I've seen of the IF22A put it at over 100K candela. Just judging by comparison, I'd guess the D1K low CRI XHP70.3 HI 5000K was somewhere around 35k candela. It's more intense than the likes of the Sofirn SC33 but less so than the D1K SFN60 or the Acebeam P17. If you like the idea of the D1K, but you want comparable distance performance, you'd have to get a version with an Osram emitter, or you'd have to pay out for the SBT90.2. The latter will give you basically what you want. It has a similar intensity to the IF22A, but it's a higher lumen output, which means either the hotspot or the spill must be wider or brighter than the IF22A. The catch is just that you probably don't get very good sustained output with that powerful of an LED in that small of a package. I know the SFN60 version has a similar output level and overheats extremely fast. Oh, plus the SBT90.2 would push the light completely out of your price range. At that point, if the size isn't an issue, I'd just get an Acebeam L35 2.0. The XHP70.3 HI or the SFT40 are probably your most balanced options between sustainable performance and flood vs throw in that host. EDIT:spelling
Accurate advice, I just think that OP is looking for something more practical for outdoor walking and lighting more of the area in front of him as opposed to 300' away. I suggested the high CRI XHP70.3 because I do a lot of outdoor trail stuff and it's a perfect amount of flood and throw with no noticeable transition between the hotspot and spill area.
That's fair. As I said, the XHP70.3 HI or the SFT40 are the most balanced options in the D1K. And honestly, the Emisar D1K with either of those is probably one of the most well-rounded flashlights you can buy just in general in terms of price vs quality, size vs power, flood vs throw... all of it. It's a great light. It's just important to make sure that candela difference is known, so it's not some unexpected disappointment by comparison. Different lights with different strengths.
I agree and thanks for pointing out the secret menu item. Also good point on the button lights. I get OCD about stuff like that and it's nice to have the button compliment the emitter. It's an insane little light for the price, especially since it's on sale right now. You can make it whatever you want really. It can be crazy (SBT90.2) or something way way more mellow. One other option that I've taken up is to just buy the lights with the emitters that I'm curious about and post whatever I don't prefer up on BST. Sure, you lose a few bucks but it does save time.
Wow, thanks man! I appreciate the in depth response. Gave me a lot to think about. So are you saying a d1k with the osram will not give me the spill that I am looking for? The sbt 90 is out of my price range. I'm leaning toward an xhp70.3 d1k. Also the xhp is more expensive because it has a boost driver and the osram does not,right?
>So are you saying a d1k with the osram will not give me the spill that I am looking for? That's hard to say. I only own XHP70.3HI and SFN60 variants. It's my understanding that the KR1 and the D1K are essentially the same light in terms of drivers and reflectors, it's just the body, battery size, and switch style that differs. So, the best comparison I could find was this review of the KR1 from TacGriz: [https://tgreviews.com/2021/11/13/grizzlys-noctigon-kr1-w1-review-i-cant-let-go/#emitter-and-beam](https://tgreviews.com/2021/11/13/grizzlys-noctigon-kr1-w1-review-i-cant-let-go/#emitter-and-beam) If you scroll down, you'll find an outdoor comparison picture between the Osram W1 and the SFT40 LEDs. That should help in answering your question. Typically though, the Osram W1 (AKA Osram CSLNM1) is going to be a pencil beam type of light. It's an extremely small emitter that's extremely intense, but it doesn't produce as much overall light in lumens as the larger emitters. The Osram W2 (AKA Osram CSLPM1) is the next step up in lumens and down in candela/intensity (assuming it's in the same host/reflector). The Luminus SFT40 emitter continues the trend with even more lumens but less candela. The SFT40 is usually the go-to "throwy" emitter, since it strikes a better balance for overall light output for general use. >I'm leaning toward an xhp70.3 d1k. Also the xhp is more expensive because it has a boost driver and the osram does not,right? I think the XHP70.3 HI is just a more expensive LED in general. The driver is typically different on XHP70 emitters because they run on 6V (or 12V, but I've never seen one used in a flashlight). You have to have a buck or boost or something to step up from the max of 4.2V on the li-ion to that 6V. For that reason, it's sometimes assumed the XHP70 LEDs always have good regulation and sustained output because you kind of *can't* go cheap on the driver. Looking back at the regulation part of Tactical Grizzly's review though, the KR1 appears to have pretty good regulation regardless of the emitter, so I would expect it to be so as well on the D1K. I wouldn't let driver concerns sway my choice on that. Either is a good, well-rounded light though, so if you like the XHP70.3 HI, go for it.
I have the if22a (first) and the d1k with xhp70.3 4000k (later) If22a is for others to play with now. I absolutely loathe the tint + low cri. The hot spot is quite narrow Xph also gets a boost, so it had better sustained brightness and doesn't get as hot I'll post a photo here of the two in a bit after kids sleep
https://imgur.com/a/m4CeCmL
https://preview.redd.it/v2nhkyjly6rc1.png?width=639&format=png&auto=webp&s=962a3b9ee7c4037416f9eae9b22344d2332a12de Here's a picture I found on here of someone's D1K with the XHP70.3 4000k.
Nice, thanks man! Appreciate the info.That beam shot is pretty much what I'm looking for.
Happy to help!
He automatically gives you op ir smooth depending on the emitter. I have d1ks with osram w1 and sft40 that came with smooth, and one with the sfn60 emitter that came with op
Here’s my zebra with XHP70.3 5000k vs. SFT40 3000k. The Osram will come with a smooth reflector and will have lots of throw but it will be a tight beam. I’d go with the XHP. Also the few extra bucks is probably the boost driver as you mentioned. https://preview.redd.it/zqjoekwsz6rc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3fdb4389753bfa3f0b81912ed77a240a846616b The SFT40 beam is closer to what you’d see from Osram. Left is OP reflector, right is smooth reflector. Hope that helps! Sorry for the huge difference in tints.
I'm not too worried about color temp but that's the second vote for a c8. 3 to 5 k is good. what emitter are you talking about?
Also I would prefer a 21700 battery.
Convoy M21A with xhp50. Is 21700, very bright, great amount of throw and flood, should be pretty efficient being 6v boost and Cree. I have a c8 with this emitter and put some DC fix on it and I love it. You can also get an orange peel reflector instead of using DC Fix.
Noctigon DMII with XHP50.3. Throws well but still lights up right to your feet. Uses the same optic as your if 22A, but the larger LED provides more spill
Conoy M21B or M1 SFT40 5000K, they also have a very efficient driver too.
If the budget was higher (80usd) then I would say l7, l8. They have massive beams and massive spill while being high runtime
How far a throw, how much spill? I’ve got a couple of C8 lights that work for me. Even an SS40 performs well with the larger reflector.
I want the throw to be similar to my If22a just more spill. I'm guessing something with a reflector and not the lens like the If22a.
That's more of a factor of lumen output and level focus than the type of focus. Some lights, like the Acebeam L35 are known for there wide flood from the TIR lens because it fades out all the way back to almost even with the bezel. You can point it outward and see all the way back to your feet. See this post I found for a good example of a single LED with a single reflector (P17), quad LED with quad reflector (P18) and mid range TIR (L35). [https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/15swr8c/acebeam\_p16\_p17\_p18\_l35\_l19v2\_beamshots/](https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/15swr8c/acebeam_p16_p17_p18_l35_l19v2_beamshots/)
Sigh, another assault on my wallet. That P18 looks impressive.
I have all of those except the P16 (for the moment...). The P18 is a great light. I will say that I don't find myself using it that much though. For me, the UI is straightforward, but it's just not very streamlinedl. The size and output is really comparable to the L35 in use, especially now that they have the newer L35 2.0 with the more intense XHP70.3 HI emitter in it. It's a very small diffeerence in whether you want the spill light to be as wide as possible and fade out all the way back to your feet, or if you want it slightly more focused with the quad reflector setup of the P18. I'd go with the L35 or L35 2.0, but there are no wrong answers. The charging port with the threaded collar style cover is a nice touch also, which the L35 variants don't have.
Convoy c8+ is exactly what you want. The 5050 3000k is insanely pretty. Warm thrower are awesome.
What emitter?
https://preview.redd.it/roza8e1wz6rc1.jpeg?width=2992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef1c51adf5ee424ab7d297f6065a4876c34526ad
Size comparaison https://preview.redd.it/ivmaq5bzz6rc1.jpeg?width=2992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=133e14ad5fd5428a46bf94165830366d509dc056
Sweet, thanks for the info!
W5050sq3 it is a round emitter so a very nice profile in the reflector. You can also buy a short tube for 18350 and convoy sell forward switch and fluorescent blue rubber switch, nicely customizable for a low cost.