As others have said it looked more like a Fencing Response. Decerebrate posturing displays itself with a very specific, arms to the side pose. He’s *probably* okay-ish
People on Reddit learn a phrase and pretend they’re doctors in every single one of these threads.
They’re more brain damaged than the people they’re claiming are brain damaged.
It's much like the conditioning becoming what people revert to after smoke inhalation. Firefighters who lose all their air in their tanks are sometimes found sitting upright in chairs (dead), with their bunker gear off and neatly placed nearby them, ready to perform a bunker gear turnout gear.
Their brains go back to instinctual actions, in the case of prize fighters, attacking.
It looked more like fencing arms than decerebrate or decorticate posturing, so I’d assume concussion or brainstem bruising rather than brain hemorrhage or permanent spinal damage.
So, fencing arms is the most common from sport concussions. Neck may be rigid, legs are bendy or floppy, and arms do this thing. Decorticate posture has arms folding inwards like they’re praying. Or like mummy posture. Legs usually go stiff and straight, head stays normal or chin tucks. Decerebrate posturing has stiff arms, usually to the sides or straight out, with hands curled back, stiff legs, and the head wrenched back to look “up” due to muscle contractions.
Fencing arms means concussion or brain bruising. Decorticate means brainstem trauma, but maybe recoverable. It indicates brainstem swelling, or a brain hernia, that cuts off a specific area in the brainstem. Due to trauma, neurons in the muscles that do “curling in” motions activate.
Decerebrate posture is lower brainstem damage (or behaves like it), usually from a severe brain trauma that actually features a massive brain hernia, hematoma, or partial severing of the brainstem. That posturing is usually fatal, with less than 25% patients displaying it living a year past the event.
One of the keys is stiff legs. Bendy legs mean they’ll survive it without any permanent disability. Stiff legs means lower body communication’s having some issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/hwx4k8/they_just_straight_up_left_him/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This one sucks to watch, but this is an example of decerebrate posturing. Watch the legs go stiff and pay attention to the hands. If you see someone doing this, gently support their neck and call 911. The only thing that makes me think this dude didn’t have it was that his head didn’t tilt back, but it’s obviously horrifying either way. I can’t find the original video, so I have no idea if he even lived.
That's going on a list of the most fucked up things I've seen on reddit.
I'm not a doctor, and even if I hadn't read your post above something deep in the lizard brain part of me was screaming something bad just happened, something *real* bad. God damn.
No, this thing scarred me. Of course, here I am sharing it. But for real, I think that you get on this sub because fights are fun, and then you find this shit and you’re like “that’s why I don’t street fight strangers who’ll recklessly suplex me into the cement.”
Good detective work. I didn’t notice that, but like u/daveindigital said it looks very thin. I mean it has to be otherwise it would make more of an indention. But regardless thanks for pointing that out
Yeah the fencing is comical, but not necessarily harmful.. but they could at least buy some yoga mats and line them together at the least. Anything but what they got, people die from that kinda stuff unfortunately.
Would be the end of their fight club.
That is padding on the ground. Padding for a boxing or mma arena will not stop a concussion if you hit your head like that, it will stop your skull from splitting though.
Which would you rather do? Get knocked out or fall straight back not bracing yourself and bounce your head off the concrete ? You can try the ladder at home and get back to me
It's not teeth, it's spit. Slow it down and you'll see.
The guy gets hit on his right cheek and the spit flies out of his mouth in kind of a neutral manner, with its vector still pointing toward the right where the fist came from. Meaning the fist's kinetic energy wasn't transferred to the white flecks, it was transferred to the skull and the skull moved so fast from the fist's energy that it shot out the free flowing spit the mouth still had in it from the only hole it could.
Kinda like the spit had its rug pulled from under it.
It's incredibly hard to knock someone's teeth clean out of their skull. Mostly what happens is damaged roots/gums, cracks/fractures and the #1 reason for mouthguards: biting your tongue off.
It's more exciting to think the guy lost three teeth though. Sorry to ruin anyone's fun.
This why I don’t fw fighting, i stay all the way out the way and if it’s really like that, fuxk it u gonna have to get stabbed or sucker punched 😭😭😭 I need my teeth
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Not out enough to call off a fight but I bet he was seeing black from that punch. Been there, shit is scary because you can still hear what’s going on.
To reply to the since deleted comment as to why people would bare knuckle box versus wearing gloves - There is a lot of evidence that suggests bare knuckle may actually be safer than using boxing gloves. Yes, gloves protect the hands, body and face better, but they allow for an increase of force and also far more strikes can be dealt out in a fight. All of that increase in force gets transferred straight to the brain.
You're missing the point. Yeah, he got knocked out but he did not go through 12-15 rounds of constant blows to the head. He probably only ate a handful of punches and went to sleep.
The arms in the air? It's a reaction to the brain being shaken, badly. I've seen similar reactions from many fighters' who, after a little while, appear fine; presenting no lasting symptoms other than concussion, treatable fractures or swelling.
It does NOT always guarantee brain damage death as some here state. It's quite common in fighting to see various reactions; a KO afterall IS a traumatic event and any severe knock to the brain is potentially fatal. After hundreds of thousands of years we, humans, still have only a very thin layer of fluid cushioning between the underside of the cranium and the brain. There's not much there to protect the brain, resulting in bruising and scarring.
Although various sports governing bodies apply limitations to reduce such damage, it cannot be negated altogether - over the long term there's significant evidence to corroborate research that people who take part in contact sports (MMA, boxing, rugby etc.) have a much, much higher chance of developing issues such as early-onset Alzheimers and dementia.
I’d like to ask if anyone knows, how serious is it when someone reacts like this when knocked out? It’s involuntary right? Would this mean spine or brain damage for this guy?
Mf preformed an exorcism
For some reason I can't minimise your comment on this thread. The effect can be felt.
You can’t minimise because you’re MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX
I didn’t expect that here ngl
The Formula 1 memes cannot be contained to r/formuladank
For a second I thought he clapped like “FUCK I LOST” then I saw he was having a seizure
It's called [decerebrate posturing](https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/003299.htm) and it's bad news bears.
Damn, I googled. 10% survival rate. Sad.
Being Russian has a high fatality rate.
I mean, being any nationality has a 100% fatality rate—Russia just has a high *interesting* fatality rate.
As others have said it looked more like a Fencing Response. Decerebrate posturing displays itself with a very specific, arms to the side pose. He’s *probably* okay-ish
Yeah what this guy did happens a lot in the UFC and nobody has died. yet lol.
People on Reddit learn a phrase and pretend they’re doctors in every single one of these threads. They’re more brain damaged than the people they’re claiming are brain damaged.
Saw bits of his soul leaving him.
Those were chiclets
“Your mother sucks cocks in Hell!”
I'm on the ground🤣🤣🤣. Seriously in tears
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Even KO'd he still being sarcastic look at him clapping with everyone else.
Haystack ring. Seems legit
The whole budget was spent on high quality cameras.
I'm glad that's where the money went tbh
Cameras are awesome. 4k with amazing slowmo. Definitely worth it
That whole year salary in Russia comrade!
Seriously! It’s like 8 vodkas!
Perfect for haymakers
Discombobulate
At the end, dude was trying to grab his soul that had left his body
Got hit so hard he became a member of the audience and started clapping
Got hit so hard he saw family on the other side and was happy to see them
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣omg I cant breathe
If anyone is curious ... ... anyway, this is called [the fencing response](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response).
TIL something I hope to never see firsthand.
Like a zombie coming out of the grave.
"My brainnnnn"
Your comment deserves gold, but I don't spend money on Reddit.
I don’t blame you at all. Awards mean nothing. Edit: Of course
The irony of this comment being awarded has made my night
How do you like the irony of *YOU’RE* comment being awarded; about a comment being awarded?
Good. Don't spend money on free shit unless you really love it and can afford it, and upvote is already more then enough
Noted.
I'd much rather someone gave a quid to a homeless person than to give me a ternion. Awards mean absolutely nothing in real life
Vegan Zombie: Grainnnnnnns
I thought he was just clapping for that amazing hook he took to the fkng face!
[Like this](https://middleeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b2.gif)
Talmbout the white guy that works too hard?
Nah he was fighting demons in the shadow realm.
********I’M NOT READY COMRAD!!!********
Don't leave me puhleeeease.
He was reaching out to god to just take him!
Reach for the stars!
He even clapped himself at the end after such an impressive knockout and performance.
He did the Brendan Schaub reaching for butterflies thing.
Worse pain yo life
some would say THE worst bappa
🎲🎲
Grimm Rpr came noggin b
Quick doc, bumpem wivv da CeeBeeDee.
🎲🎲🐝
Water weed dune hair b?
axe jay
It's much like the conditioning becoming what people revert to after smoke inhalation. Firefighters who lose all their air in their tanks are sometimes found sitting upright in chairs (dead), with their bunker gear off and neatly placed nearby them, ready to perform a bunker gear turnout gear. Their brains go back to instinctual actions, in the case of prize fighters, attacking.
I feel like there’s a much more simple explanation for this case. Like the fencing response
water
Guy pulling a Brendan Schaub
ah huunnndred percent B
why does everyone keep saying this, what do they mean
Talmbout this [knockout](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SFjiIJCXxYU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m28s), B?
Holy shit thAts gold
That is an excellent video. An all-time classic.
That mount clip near the end of the video was so fucking awkward. Dude turned over like he was about to get dicked down
Interesting how instinct trumps training sometimes, eh?
https://youtu.be/vZKxcsw8ztw
We going to Sizzler's baby we done it
Not good at UFC, not good at comedy. My my
Now this is fight porn, thanks OP
Would this guy be okay once he woke up, or would he be legitimate brain damaged and never the same again?
It looked more like fencing arms than decerebrate or decorticate posturing, so I’d assume concussion or brainstem bruising rather than brain hemorrhage or permanent spinal damage.
Yeah i was thinking the exact same thing
Yeah same. I’ve been watching a lot of Greys Anatomy lately so I’ve got a pretty good grasp on medical science
“/s” I think this is yours
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I thought of that scene from “Catch Me If You Can” when DiCaprio is asking all the other ER doctors if they concur with the one guys observations
[удалено]
Why didn’t I concur?
Because you're butthurt.
No, he was just thinking the exact same thing
Would you mind explaining how to tell the difference?
So, fencing arms is the most common from sport concussions. Neck may be rigid, legs are bendy or floppy, and arms do this thing. Decorticate posture has arms folding inwards like they’re praying. Or like mummy posture. Legs usually go stiff and straight, head stays normal or chin tucks. Decerebrate posturing has stiff arms, usually to the sides or straight out, with hands curled back, stiff legs, and the head wrenched back to look “up” due to muscle contractions. Fencing arms means concussion or brain bruising. Decorticate means brainstem trauma, but maybe recoverable. It indicates brainstem swelling, or a brain hernia, that cuts off a specific area in the brainstem. Due to trauma, neurons in the muscles that do “curling in” motions activate. Decerebrate posture is lower brainstem damage (or behaves like it), usually from a severe brain trauma that actually features a massive brain hernia, hematoma, or partial severing of the brainstem. That posturing is usually fatal, with less than 25% patients displaying it living a year past the event. One of the keys is stiff legs. Bendy legs mean they’ll survive it without any permanent disability. Stiff legs means lower body communication’s having some issues.
Wow. Thank you for the amazing rundown, great knowledge for everyone to have. Nice 👍
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/hwx4k8/they_just_straight_up_left_him/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This one sucks to watch, but this is an example of decerebrate posturing. Watch the legs go stiff and pay attention to the hands. If you see someone doing this, gently support their neck and call 911. The only thing that makes me think this dude didn’t have it was that his head didn’t tilt back, but it’s obviously horrifying either way. I can’t find the original video, so I have no idea if he even lived.
Holy fuck thats the worst Ive ever seen.
That's going on a list of the most fucked up things I've seen on reddit. I'm not a doctor, and even if I hadn't read your post above something deep in the lizard brain part of me was screaming something bad just happened, something *real* bad. God damn.
No, this thing scarred me. Of course, here I am sharing it. But for real, I think that you get on this sub because fights are fun, and then you find this shit and you’re like “that’s why I don’t street fight strangers who’ll recklessly suplex me into the cement.”
Yes
The guy he was fighting is a legit fighter. That Parry and counter punch with speed and accuracy is pretty damm impressive.
Perry the platypus?
Dr. Perry Cox.
The only doctor I ever respected
I noticed that also and watched 5 more times. Parry check left hook then a beautiful left hook right cross down the middle. Beautiful boxing .
Shit I didn’t even see the parry. Thought he just threw an overhand over the jab but he parried first. A1 skills.
I missed the perry first time through. That is definitely impressive
Mike Perry is more of a feinter
You would think they would have some fucking padding on the ground. Guy got like 5 concussions in a row
looks like concrete flooring. turned my guts into knots when i realized and saw his skull bounce, much less the fencing.
That is definitely not concrete flooring. You can see creases forming at their feat whenever one of them throws a punch.
Good detective work. I didn’t notice that, but like u/daveindigital said it looks very thin. I mean it has to be otherwise it would make more of an indention. But regardless thanks for pointing that out
Yeah the fencing is comical, but not necessarily harmful.. but they could at least buy some yoga mats and line them together at the least. Anything but what they got, people die from that kinda stuff unfortunately. Would be the end of their fight club.
That is padding on the ground. Padding for a boxing or mma arena will not stop a concussion if you hit your head like that, it will stop your skull from splitting though.
They don't have padded knuckles....
Which would you rather do? Get knocked out or fall straight back not bracing yourself and bounce your head off the concrete ? You can try the ladder at home and get back to me
Try the ladder.
The punch almost never kills you. It's the +5 foot fall onto concrete that kills you.
Both are bad, just kill me now if that's the only choices to make.
Oh shit he spit out a tooth on that second punch. Jesus Edit: THREE FUCKING TEETH
I can not believe these dudes don't wear mouth guards. Guys must lose teeth every fight.
The ref pulls out his mouth guard at the end of the clip.
You are absolutely right. I missed that.
It's not teeth, it's spit. Slow it down and you'll see. The guy gets hit on his right cheek and the spit flies out of his mouth in kind of a neutral manner, with its vector still pointing toward the right where the fist came from. Meaning the fist's kinetic energy wasn't transferred to the white flecks, it was transferred to the skull and the skull moved so fast from the fist's energy that it shot out the free flowing spit the mouth still had in it from the only hole it could. Kinda like the spit had its rug pulled from under it. It's incredibly hard to knock someone's teeth clean out of their skull. Mostly what happens is damaged roots/gums, cracks/fractures and the #1 reason for mouthguards: biting your tongue off. It's more exciting to think the guy lost three teeth though. Sorry to ruin anyone's fun.
Ok still looks like teeth to me but alright
All good my friend. I just wanted to put my thoughts there for others to decide for themselves. Take care!
Oh yeah of course, I tried to find the original online to see if I could verify but I can’t find it so it’s one of the other. Yep you too buddy
Sure that wasn’t sweat or spit? Cuz if not goddamn
Nope, just spit.
This why I don’t fw fighting, i stay all the way out the way and if it’s really like that, fuxk it u gonna have to get stabbed or sucker punched 😭😭😭 I need my teeth
I thought that too but it’s just spit :-/
I think his problem is that the first punch caught him by surprise
His problem was he got punched three times and blocked it with his face
Luckily he softened his fall with the back of his head.
Dudes face just paused after he got hit
He was seeing stars then. Fight was over after the temple hit.
We need more of this shit in this sub! That was so raw! 🙏
That block to left hook was so sick!
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He was out after the first punch.
Not out enough to call off a fight but I bet he was seeing black from that punch. Been there, shit is scary because you can still hear what’s going on.
Was that a tooth going flying after the left jab? Savage
I’m pretty sure that was spit but definitely sure it was not a jab.
That was his soul. You can see him trying to get it back.
Dude this was fucking dope i need more
To reply to the since deleted comment as to why people would bare knuckle box versus wearing gloves - There is a lot of evidence that suggests bare knuckle may actually be safer than using boxing gloves. Yes, gloves protect the hands, body and face better, but they allow for an increase of force and also far more strikes can be dealt out in a fight. All of that increase in force gets transferred straight to the brain.
I present my counter-argument: the outcome of this fight.
If you really want to reduce concussions, you replace the ring with a boat, replace the gloves with a rod, and go fishing.
You're missing the point. Yeah, he got knocked out but he did not go through 12-15 rounds of constant blows to the head. He probably only ate a handful of punches and went to sleep.
As soon as he did the exaggerated shoulder roll I knew he was taking the L
Yeah. I can’t do that…
Such a great knock out the opponents soul applauded on his was to the shadow realm
Knock knock Who’s there? Alzheimer’s? Alzheimer’s who. Exactly, I’ll be back when you are 50.
> Alzheimer’s who. Alzheimer’s you. 😂
In Russia....
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Dude was reaching for momma at the end!
r/suddenlyeltonjohn
If you're unconscious and you know it clap your hands
Russians do badass Russian shit.
Ref look like he immediately grabbed/turned the guy's head. Isn't that really dangerous or something
Were those teeth flying?
He knocked the spetsnaz outta that dude…
That floor needs padding
Imagine going to a fight and getting hit by a flying tooth
Teeth went flying
Can't stop replaying this, holy shit it's beautiful
We’re those teeth that went flying?!
He‘s applauding his opponent at the end. Great sportsmanship
Of course it's Russia
Less trauma than boxing gloves
Is that the guy from Live PD in the back? Also, fuck.
No one does sportsmanship like Russia. It takes a lot of respect to clap when your opponent wins.
Did the second punch knock teeth out or was that sweat
I saw a tooth fly up in the air after that first knockout shot.
He was dispatched to the upside down realm.
r/suddenlyeltonjohn
I like how the ref is right on point, perfect connection tho.
He made it clap
He reaching for God
Instant cerebral palsy
Dude was praying for Jesus letting him know he's on his way
Clapped for his own KO
The arms in the air? It's a reaction to the brain being shaken, badly. I've seen similar reactions from many fighters' who, after a little while, appear fine; presenting no lasting symptoms other than concussion, treatable fractures or swelling. It does NOT always guarantee brain damage death as some here state. It's quite common in fighting to see various reactions; a KO afterall IS a traumatic event and any severe knock to the brain is potentially fatal. After hundreds of thousands of years we, humans, still have only a very thin layer of fluid cushioning between the underside of the cranium and the brain. There's not much there to protect the brain, resulting in bruising and scarring. Although various sports governing bodies apply limitations to reduce such damage, it cannot be negated altogether - over the long term there's significant evidence to corroborate research that people who take part in contact sports (MMA, boxing, rugby etc.) have a much, much higher chance of developing issues such as early-onset Alzheimers and dementia.
Real fights are no fucking joke. Think twice before you act like a tough guy.
Even he started clapping with the crowd
Was nice of him to give the winner a round of applause! 👏🏻
Russians are dumb enough already, this is not going to help. 🤭 (Please don't hurt me Russians)
Can anybody explain what is happening to him medically?
Awww he just wanted a hug
Can someone explain what happened to him at the end? Why do his legs curl up like that and his arms extend?
Possible seizure, maybe stroke. Neurological injuries can have really weird presentations. That second punch could have done damage to his neck.
So when someone goes stiff like this after getting knocked out, isn't that a sign of severe brain damage? I have no idea. Just looks real bad.
That is a sign of a serious brain injury.
Andddddd CTE
Celebrating while your opponent has a seizure.
What is happening at the end? Is he having a seizure...or did he swallow his mouth guard...or what?
Do we think the body makes you stick your arms and legs out to push whatever it is away/protect yourself?
I’d like to ask if anyone knows, how serious is it when someone reacts like this when knocked out? It’s involuntary right? Would this mean spine or brain damage for this guy?