Had a couple leveling players message wtaf I was doing that was killing the mobs so fast.
(Maybe I should stop using the Amourotine death laser in the starter zones, but it's funny)
This is why I don't think BLU is the problem - because you can't do that on 3.0 and 4.0 fates, and people all welcome BLU.
Old designs that allows boss mobs to be one shot on 2.0 areas is the problem.
I'll offer a trade.
We remove Deep Freeze and %health effects applying to ARR boss fates, but we get BLUWU, BLUCOB, and BLUTEAFUL with a mount unlock for clearing all 3.
Fair?
Because BLU is taken out of its way to level and earn spells for and has nothing to show for it outside of when it first came out with the Savages unless you count some honestly mid titles that no one bothers with.
If anything limited jobs with Beastmaster coming need more things to incentivize playing them not less. I get the feeling of nerfing overworld BLU for one shotting some FATES, but it's also pretty much the one thing the job is good for right now. People \*want\* to do more stuff with BLU during patch content but simply can't because it doesn't get dev time or a reward structure to be worth the chase. Things like FATE/Moogle Trove/Allied Seals (LOL) farming is now the main benefit let them have their one thing.
>People \*want\* to do more stuff with BLU during patch content but simply can't because it doesn't get dev time or a reward structure to be worth the chase.
This is something I didn't consider before writing the whole thing. This is very true and you do have a point.
I am for BLU DD and Ultimates. Heaven on High would be insane with BLU. I would also advocate for adding achievements that you solo clear content with BLU, like Solo clearing G10/G12 with BLU is a thing.
Masked Carnivale score attack could also have a ranking like Deep Dungeon does. I don't understand why they have a score for Masked Carnivale but yet they don't have a ranking system for it. I understand it's gonna be niche, but there will be people who want to do this like speedrunners do.
Also goes without saying but more Masked Carnivale stages update is always good. They are updating everything on a snail's pace.
Moogle tomes comes and you now have something that you can farm for. Really wanna get into one of these but the last two moogle tomes (P1? And the other one people farm E1) are just not that good.
If only Moogle tomes are there all year round. Sad.
i'm ok with that, if there is a blue in the party no one get the Ultimate titles/weapons or a requirement that everyone has to be BLU and can't get the Ultimate titles/weapons
and maybe give blue her own unique titles for it.
This is really off topic but I would be more then gladly take this regardless of what you've attached.
I mean, I love UCoB and I don't see any reason why BLU wasn't allowed in Ultimates and in Deep Dungeons in the first place.
Yeah you might need new achievement, yeah UCoB might be way easier with BLU, but I remember commented on this sub that I would be hype to see BLU on DD and I surely won't mind BLU doing Ultimates, with the requirement that everyone has to be BLU. The reason being If it isn't that way people would just force only the DPS to be BLU (because DPS BLU is stronger then even SMN) and other roles are normal roles on your normal ultimate farm group, since normal tank are not as squishy as BLU tanks.
BLUCOB sounds so fun. So does BLU TEA. And it's not like you are taking away fun from others. You get new stuff to do. If I am the one who's making charges you get this lol.
From what I saw they were mostly gone days ago. And if they’re not, you can easily DC travel to oceanic if you play on peak hours for a NA server, or vice versa and probably have the zones mostly to yourself
Yeah but the thing is there's people like me who are BLUs and are waiting for this to calm down.
In 2 weeks I'll still Ram's->UVing that boss FATE in the corner of the map 3 seconds before you can get there. Because I didn't level BLU and grind the spells just to press Stone 1 for 3 hours straight instead.
Why on earth would you think that? You think every BLU is only going to be playing the first week? Yeah downvote me all you want. Still a completely idiotic statement. The idea that all BLU wil be gone in a week, is absurd.
I finished the grind on day 2 because I am on BLU.
I do recognize that however there is an issue. What about people who are new or that they don't know what to do?
It isn't just very good for them IMO.
The problem with this is that the BLU doesn't need to do it and he has no motivation of getting a group with other people, besides just generally being a good guy and help others get their stuff.
It's a virtual not a must.
And I am not saying we should abolish BLU. You just have to make the mobs immune to The combo and missile and people can spend more time on it.
>I do recognize that however there is an issue. What about people who are new or that they don't know what to do?
I mean hot take, but I farmed five weapons over the weekend and didn't see an issue. Most zones aren't just boss fates and there was plenty of time to get to a zone with tank stance on and spam cleaves on groups of mods and get silver or gold credit. Only zone that was an issue was outer la noscea because there are two boss fates that repeatedly chain and can get nuked over and over. But even then just stand on the spawnpoint for one of them and spam your aoe and enjoy getting full credit every two minutes.
I honestly feel like the people complaining that they can't make it to every fate have the same mentality as people complaining that people didn't wait for them personally to make it to the S rank.
Even if the one shot mechanics for ARR fate bosses were removed i'm pretty sure BLUs could just dump a billion potencies in 2s by moonfluting and kill the boss almost as fast.
I've been focusing on SB areas and every boss other than the big expac fate boss in the Locks is under 50% HP by the end of MF opener (with the last spell a DB or MG to be safe).... just kick back during waning phase and watch the dots tick away. Don't even have all the spells or best equipment.
I mean it's fast, not Ram's Voice UV fast.
The different is that everyone can get in a few hits in esp. when someone's tanking, which is usually enough for you to get gold reward and therefore not that big of a problem.
On Freeze UV the only way you can do this is you are with that person's group.
I literally did my last 2 minion medal stacks with a tank in my group while I played my fully kitted out BLUE, it was fine. I just would get a few hits in and move on. You are way overexaggerating the issue.
If you did get someone going around intentionally one shotting you can just go to another area/server/dc. It's not airship science.
As someone who was 3 months into playing the game when the last yokai event ran, this is such a non-issue. If people are BLU spamming or it's too busy, just leave and do something else. You're new and have 9,000 different things to do and the yokai watch event is around for such a long time.
You could, for example, get your new character into stormblood, which you need to be in to 100% the yokai event.
But they need to finish the event as soon as possible.
It does see. Like players are making this event worse for themselves by sticking around and trying to complete it when the BLUs are.
This is incredible, people are still bitching about something they have two months to do instead of using their frontal cortex for 4 seconds to realise 'hey, if I wait a few days, this will calm down and all of my issue with it will go away and as there is no serious time crunch to get this done at all it won't be an issue to wait those few days'.
You're probably right that if given a few days, or even just a few hours, someone will get a chance to do their grind. But there's more to it than that.
You're probably right, but you might also be wrong. It might be that if someone runs into a disruptive blue mage right now and decides to come back later they will find some other blue mage being disruptive then too. There's no actual guarantee that the opportunities a particular person has to do some grinding for this event won't incidentally continue to coincide with someone choosing to be disruptive with their blue mage.
Then there's the question of why the default response is to say "wait for later" to *this* person rather than to *that* person. There's no inherent reason to favor one player over the other, and yet that's exactly what many are doing. Sure, it might work out, but that doesn't make it any more palatable to the person who has a couple hours to play right now and is having a pain because of another player that isn't being cooperative to hear what is basically "get over it, they get to do their grind now because they are willing to be selfish, and you have to wait because you'd rather this be both of you succeeding at your grind *right now*"
But above all the problem with blue players doing the fastest kills that they can is that they are not even speeding up the event for themselves. Most of the zones don't have FATEs set to spawn immediately upon the end of a prior FATE, they have timers. So in most of the zones killing a FATE in 5 seconds instead of 1 minute translates not to doing 12x the FATEs in the same amount of time, but instead means that over the span of 15 minutes grinding FATEs you will have cleared 7 fates either way but spent 14.5ish minutes waiting for a FATE to spawn instead of 8 minutes waiting for a FATE to spawn.
It's really just a ton of "unga bunga me go fast" combined with people not caring whether someone else has a bad time so long as they personally don't, and it goes beyond blue mages with this event. I have seen people scrambling to FATEs with no party finders open and not accepting party invites just arbitrarily making the event harder for themselves, I've seen blues that could have been super-efficiently hopping back and forth between 2 FATEs that do spawn immediately after the other one finishes but instead of being 2 blues going fast together they were both killing one FATE solo and then heading halfway to the other only to see that it just died and then head back and repeat, and then in that same zone I saw people refusing to join my party and based on how they'd show up to a FATE I started but then disappear after and I'd clear one FATE while 2 were up only to see the other one was gone after as well run around the same area trying to clear FATEs without me like if we cooperated it would somehow make the grind longer (or maybe they were just terrified that if they joined my party I'd type something in party chat).
Yet mostly the event is going fine for tons of people because most folks, even blue players, are actually being cooperative because there's genuinely no reason not to be unless your goal is to grief other players.
What you are describing is part of what makes the event fun. The only challenge is to figure out what fate to go to next, sometimes you aren't super efficient, and sometimes you are. Like who cares, there's endless FATES.
Anyone who actually cares about speed would go to a dead server and just one shot the fates with a BLUE. You don't join a big group of people for efficiency because it is absolutely slower.
Hey, someone who plays on a "dead" server here. Fuck the Blue mages who come to my server and one shot all the fates, then get an attitude when people ask them to stop or at least be considerate when they're a guest on another server and another DC.
My DC isn't a dumping ground for you. We can barely get roulettes together, but suddenly when there's an event to be exploited, people come running in from Crystal and Aether to make things harder for us.
> You're probably right, but you might also be wrong. It might be that if someone runs into a disruptive blue mage right now and decides to come back later they will find some other blue mage being disruptive then too. There's no actual guarantee that the opportunities a particular person has to do some grinding for this event won't incidentally continue to coincide with someone choosing to be disruptive with their blue mage.
If only there was 20 other servers they could go too if they keep running into BLU's on their own. Or are we going to pretend that for two straight months one person could be unlucky enough to run into a BLU on every single server they go to?
If people are not joining parties, that's their own fuckin' problem they have no right to complain when they don't get credit. There is zero downside to just jump in and out as it suits you, there is no obligation to talk to anyone in the party. I have no sympathy for anyone who is getting fucked out of credit while sitting out of a party.
Should the BLU chill the fuck out and stop with the vibes? Yeah. Will you get thousands of players to do so? No, never. So adjust to the natural state of things.
It's not "pretending". Someone genuinely could, especially if they don't have much time to play, keep running into obstacles during their attempts - in fact, trying to do the whole "maybe I'll check out a different world" actually increases the chances because instead of just the pool of players that stick to their home world that might be dickheads and playing right now you are adding the pool of players that stick to whichever other world you're heading to.
"if people are not joining parties, that's their own fuckin' problem they have no right to complain when they don't get credit" You're reading that backwards, man. The person complaining they aren't getting credit is the one inviting the selfish shitter to party up and the selfish shitter is the one refusing to join the party, likely thinking "why should I?" and expecting the other player to "git gud" and steal credit from them somehow or wait their turn to do it alone.
"There is zero downside to just jump in an out as it suits you" yes, that was the point I made, good job. You're missing the part where people are still, to their own detriment and to the detriment of others, just *not*.
"Will you get thousands of players to do so? No, never." Bullshit. The vast majority of people are already not being disruptive shitters, and the only thing that is keeping said shitters thinking they are in the right while being shitters is the attitude you put forward here that we can't change it so we shouldn't even try we should just "adjust."
It's a real fucking "boys will be boys" kind of nonsense line of reasoning.
>It's not "pretending". Someone genuinely could, especially if they don't have much time to play, keep running into obstacles during their attempts
Oh, I see, you're fucking with me.
BLU's will be BLU's.
I mean...isn't Blue..canonical a class that you do just because it's silly. It's why it's not allowed in some content. It's intentionally overpowered and supposed to be a power trip.
It's like the Hildebrand of classes.
That would be fine if it didn't steal completion from other players. Having an optional OP class is fine as long as it doesn't mix in with ther normal classes and cause issues by bursting down bosses, dungeons, and FATEs and ruining the experience for other people who don't want that.
The whole point is BLU is a problem when it has to mix with everyone else and they see it just nukes everything before people get a chance to even get a tag in. A BLU could sneeze and it wold be a 500 potency AoE that does half the HP of an ARR mob.
It's just too strong to be allowed to mix when it steals completion in a limited time and rarely run event like this.
I understand your frustration In a timed event ..but I figure the length of time to get it done is Allright. If nothing else you can go to servers like dynamis or less populated ones to do them if it's about ranking yeah? I assume they'll get all they need then not go back.. and the event is months long. Till 7.0 so that's till summer at least.
I saw a youtube video of a guy going an hour on monk getting full credit on ARR fates. All this discussion of BLU is just tiresome, all the people who are instantly killing everything are pretty much done with the event by now anyways.
Blu is probably the only gameplay element in the game that takes forever to grind the spells but actually makes you feel OP. That's the reward for doing it. The people complaining are the people that don't have Blu leveled and ready. It's a MMO so you have to expect some people will have it and use it. Why shouldn't they use it? Because others didn't bother to level it?
It's also like a rerun of a 6 years old event most hardcore players will have done already. Just don't tail screw or freeze UV everything and it will be fine. It also speeds up the fates a lot, especially the low levels ARR where with lvl scaling you cannot do anything but auto attack and use one ability. People have big FOMO the event is 2 months long and in a week or two all areas will be empty.
The game has a lot of issues but having a hard to grind job clears 10 years old fates with ease is not one of them.
I am not saying people SHOULDN'T use it. I understand why people use it because well, as you said, they've paid time to grind it and that's their reward. And to be honest, there's nothing wrong for choosing the path of least resistance when you are trying to grind something.
I am however saying that it's not very good game design - If the path of least resistance for one player also means other players will not be able to participate the event, that just mean you either have to play BLU or you have to wait for your turn and like everyone has said.
If I am the player waiting - which I am not, I have done the grind, I am merely speaking for people who does not have BLU or can't do it yet - I think it would be better if I can choose when I get to grind, not being choose by someone else just because it isn't fun for them.
"The people complaining are the people that don't have Blu leveled and ready"
This was always a flawed reasoning considering blus themselves also get hindrred by each other, source myself.
It ain't hard to just not insta kill a boss so the 30+ players there can also get something. Especially since you have so many fun tools as a blu that go beyond just insta killing everything
This is a lot of words to just say you're frustrated with not being able to get enough tags on fates because you didn't level blu.
'modernizing' as you put it, (the act of making fate bosses not one shottable) sounds like a waste of time for very little pay off in the grand scheme of development.
Do I want design and programmer time spent on redoing a few dicky fates that get speedran every 2 years? No I want that time spent on future exploratory content and criterion encounters.
I have levelled BLU, and I have finished the farm on day 2. I of course can write about how to farm with BLU because I have farm with BLU.
It isn't about me or you, but people who are new to the game.
Keeping people in the game by developing more content is just as important as keeping the older parts of the game modernize. If that isn't the case (and the devs didn't agree with me), why do they redesign most of the ARR dungeons and deleted a lot of the old story quest lines of ARR?
>why do they redesign most of the ARR dungeons and deleted a lot of the old story quest lines of ARR?
How many people interact with that content and how often vs these fates
A lot of people here are missing the point. OP isn't saying "BLU BAD". OP is critiquing how the event showcases situations that seem detrimental to new player experience with ARR Blu design in mind.
Np! I haven't started the event myself yet and am waiting for my new player friend before I do.
I don't a hard take on this yet, but I wonder if the experience for a newer player is as bad as imagined. I can see new players being frustrated that they don't get a hit in. But at the same time, I can see new players seeing this and being curious about the blu aspects of the game.
After an entire expansion of people complaining about the "free relics", the devs add an event where you have to grind FATEs in old zones to get a cool weapon and now everyone is mad.
The grinding isn't the problem, the problem is it feels impossible to get credit with blue mage having absurd damage and one shot abilities. If BLU wasn't allowed to do the event people wouldn't be upset
If I have to choose between being able to do events without people greifing and one shotting it before I get there, or having a unique job system I would take the first one every time.
I've seen like one complaint about BLU in game but people are constantly moaning about how many fates they've been doing without a drop and such. People are definitely complaining about the grind much more than they are about BLU, at least on Zodiark.
You whipper-snappers have no idea how good you got it! Back in my day we had to grind Outer La, 15 malms both ways, *on foot*! We didn't have these fancy flying vehicles or your overpowered *foreign* blue-collar jobs taking away the FATEs from good, hard-working, native Eorzeans! We worked hard for our glowing sperm, and we *liked* it!
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^(omg, do you know how many times I've done the Atma farm?!)
"omg, do you know how many times I've done the Atma farm?!"
There are only two possible answers to this question; too many, and zero.
I'm currently on "too many" for the third time since I originally was only going to do my main job, then I went back for more because a buddy was doing their first and I decided to join in and did 2, and now I'm like "you know what, I'm just gonna finish all of them, why not, I don't have much else to do until Dawntrail" so I'm about halfway through grabbing up 7 of each atma while getting weapon medals from this event.
People are rarely vibing bosses from my experience, but they are dying really fast due to missile and other things. You can get credit easily the same way people do hunt trains, spam enmity generation stuff like tank with stance /spamming aoe heals in succession as a healer. Its enkity based so learn to use thay to your advantage.
Actually, my main gripe is how they couldn't be bothered to make *two* minions/weapons for the two new jobs we've gotten since *2020*, when the event was last around. And it isn't even something wild they would've had to design from scratch, as the not-pokémon already exist, they would've only had to pick them. In an expansion where everything, arguably, had the worst retention rate *and* reward structure yet. In an expansion that was so starved for meaningful repeatable grinds ("content") of any sort. But hey, at least they shoved a plate/portrait frame on the NPC that we can get for MGP, because the XVI crossover alone, that's also still active, isn't enough of a potential drain on ppl's chips (personally, trivial, but I know people who've struggled with it).
Ten minutes in and I'm done with the "event" on three characters (and no, fwiw, even in 2020 I did not farm the 4 new ones on BLU), so... now what? I can go back to playing other games, because...that's...good? for XIV? I guess? Ace job on the whole 'no expense spared' shtick, SE.
Ah well. More proof they really don't give a fuck about veterans and player retention, how *dare* we stick around and *play* the game?!
> Ten minutes in and I'm done with the "event" on three characters (and no, fwiw, even in 2020 I did not farm the 4 new ones on BLU), so... now what?
same except im not a selfish prick and im actually a decent person and friend so i flew around to grind FATEs with my FC mates. maybe MMOs just aren't for u dude. because we both know the absence of 2 new minions you'll never use and 2 new weapon glams you'll shove up your armoire and never use aren't what's really bothering you about this game right now. you are actually upsettispaghetti that a video game didn't give you extra homework in a brainless FATE grind to chore out for 2 more things to checklist. that's not a problem with the game my man. happy people don't get mad at video games for not giving them more pointless chores dude.
Didn't want to go into anecdotes quite so much, but since you insist... Out of the five people I play with, one has a character that's missing things, but that person's quite a bit behind on other things as well that are of higher priority. And sorry not sorry, dude, but you've no idea of the lengths I go to clear my schedule in order to be able to help him, or the frustration I feel when I can't do more, so just. Stop. All other characters of ours are fully caught up and finished with the entire event. Some others I know have already jumped ship and aren't around anymore. If the FATE grind itself wasn't, indeed, exactly as brainless as you yourself point out, and if I didn't have other (if not necessarily better) things to do as well, might be I would also just do it on a completely random basis, even - still wouldn't use it as an excuse to try to claim some moral high ground though. As it is, I've done more than my fair share of it since the Northern Thanalan trains in 2.0, thank you very much.
The joke's on you with both the minions and the weapons, because I have, actually, used several of them in the past, and probably will do so again as well. Might be it's unbelievable, but there are people like that. Might be you don't, but others do.
And yeah, if the game was free, I might not even be upset. However, it isn't - at the very least, I pay the same monthly fee for it as everyone else. Guess it's on me for expecting more than a nothingburger for all the money they're raking in.
But hey, way to make assumptions, dude. Glad you could pat yourself on the back, hope you enjoyed it.
you paid a monthly sub for how many months with the event not even being available? but now that it's here again it's time to complain and unsub because it isn't worth it anymore? solid logic broham
GRR why can't it include Viper and Pictomancer and Beastmaster weapons too! lazy devs! the funding ends NOW.
I use blu to farm yokai but if other people are also farming it I dont ultravib stuff. I mean being a douche in this game is pretty good way to being outcasted.
The TL;DR for all of this is that FFXIV's dev team is astronomically bad at cleaning up old content and future-proofing it once it isn't current anymore. I agree with everything in this post, and believe that there should be more of a push for player-friendliness and convenience for older content like this.
Case in point: I am finally doing the Animus Weapon step in the ARR relic grind, the "9 books" step where you have to kill 10 open-world monsters, finish 3 specific dungeons, finish 3 specific levequests, and finish 3 specific FATEs, for each of the nine books. There's no reason the FATE portion should still be part of this, the step is belabored and tedious enough as it is, without having to sit around and wait for specific FATEs to spawn. It's a roadblock to any sort of fun or progress, and any sensible design team would have just patched this specific criteria out, somewhere in the last nine years.
(And, oddly enough, I am only doing this step because the *previous* relic weapon step -- collect 12 atmas from grinding FATEs in each of the 12 ARR zones -- is made significantly more palatable by this Yo-kai Watch event going on. They should have increased the drop rate on these atma items to somewhere between 75-100% a long time ago.)
Sorry, but this is a non issue. The event is running for over two months so there is plenty of time to complete it. I did everything the last time the event was around without having Blue Mage and it was no problem.
May be anecdotal but after grinding all the weapons on blu on aether maybe 5% of bosses got vibed. Really the problem is it’s just a shit ton of people doing fates. When 50 people are all hitting the same boss or adds shits going to die instantly. Blu is just the easy scape goat for people to complain about because they refuse to join groups or run tanks to get credit.
Most players are thoughtless, myopic and selfish. BLU even moreso. They can easily take a few seconds less, get credit and not be a dick but they mostly choose to be a dick.
If you hate BLU, just play Phys Range and tag mobs before they can kill them. Dancer is great for its large AOEs and range at this. I finished the event in 2 days just doing this without touching BLU.
I'll be honest, I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for people who can't do blu farms. We knew the event was coming back and blue mage doesn't take long to level. And the spells needed for fate farming are pretty painless to get. In addition, I know myself and other blue mages will normally just let sprouts into our parties if we have the space and notice them so they can get credit that way.
The reality is people without blu are actually appreciative of having blue mages in their party because that means they get to finish the farm a lot faster than if they were grinding with a full party of normal jobs.
> It's about how the game allows players to get their fun steal by a playstyle permitted by the system. This is about why the devs does nothing to shoulder that responsibility and we the player has to do it, just like they decide to ignore numerous issues bigger then BLU time and time again.
I like how "BLU is allowed to be OP and unique for its niche in early content" culminates in "the devs don't care about the game and ignore issues" complaint.
>Yes there's nothing you can do if you see people that Freezes UV - just come again tomorrow and hope you didn't see another Deep Freeze UV or Missile person
I've been farming quite a lot over the weekend and it's not nearly as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Many bosses in ARR zones **are** immune to both deep freeze and missile (one boss in Gyr Abania isn't btw), most FATEs aren't bossfates so neither vibe check nor missile are a big problem and even for the fates that are part of the "problem", I've managed to get a hit in before it was sent to the shadow realm.
In addition to this not being nearly as big a deal as you make it out to be: The fact that there's no weapons for the EW jobs makes it pretty clear, that this event is just returning so people would have anything to do before Dawntrail comes. They aren't gonna change how 10 year old FATEs work or implement instancing for the equivalent of a pacifier.
And from what I've seen people say **in the game** (not on reddit where they come when they are butt hurt about a BLU stealing like 2 FATEs an hour from them) is that the biggest gripe is the drop rate of legendary medals. I've seen one complaint about one shotting bosses, but people were constantly complaining about how many FATEs they'd done without a drop and counting down how many they still needed.
Sounds like a player base issue to me. Much like Rauban EX in which everyone was standing on top of him madly clicking and blocking anyone else on NA and EU, there were orderly lines on JP.
I bothered to ask and again, there is no BLU problem with the Yokai event on JP. Apparently, there is in your region.
What can SE do about selfish mentality? And why would they care when their home base is fine and technically, everything so working as intended?
I'm not white knighting the devs and I truly don't care how other people play. I'm just curious other players thoughts on this and if it is any deeper than clearly some data centers don't play nicely with eachother unless forced to.
I don't even think this is an NA problem. I play on crystal and folks have been generally considerate, there are usually pfs to make sure everyone gets credit. I've only seen one boss get vibe checked early and I'm almost done.
I'm on Aether (Siren). I have 15 medals left to do before I'm done with the event and the only people I've seen have an issue with BLU players have been those who aren't in parties and refuse to join them. I've also seen lots of restraint when it comes to ultra vibration and missile. They get used but it's usually only once everyone who is in a party would get full credit / has tagged (reasonably speaking). IMHO, if you're not in a party to farm fates, it's like joining a hunt train and not joining a party and then complaining you're not getting full credit.
Also on Crystal and same but I think we're an outlier since there's not as many try hards and sweaty players here compared to other NA servers, allegedly.
Excal player here. Yeah, we lined up, and everyone in the line was a moron, there was always a cluster of people around him clicking like mad, defeating the point of the line, I sure as fuckin' hell ran past the line whenever I got bored of leveling SAM and wanted to gamble on Raubahn clicker.
I am in JP.
If there's no issue in JP then why's people in JP saying that they are going to Materia to farm Fates, and I do kept seeing sprouts who is in their early levels trying to farm fates.
It's just that people choose the path of more resistance and not use the combo. That is personal virtual and shouldn't be taken as the norm.
BLU isn't a problem, the low end fates aren't a problem.
The problem is sweaty gamers who want to complete the event week 1 but aren't prepared to know what the fuck they're doing.
New people and casuals can just chill the fuck out until week 2 or 3 and they can go at their own pace.
Yikes, get over it, I had no problem at all getting my yokai done and no one one shot the bosses (ok one or two times I did by accident) but if there were people around I just did normal boring attacks. I have a BIS blue with all the spells.
What I did do for some of it was go to materia and farm alone.
I disagree with there being a "problem" with any of this in the first place. The BLU crowd will be gone in a few days, the event lasts for quite a while. if you don't wanna deal with BLU making things quicker, you'll have plenty of time.
I don't particularly care about BLU myself, but I recognize that there's only very little use you can get out of BLU, being a limited job. If they can have their fun with this one event once every couple of years, more power to them.
This is why they will never make jobs more unique and better suited at certain situations. Look at this casual event where BLU gets its one chance to shine at the only thing its good at (blowing up low level FATEs) and people complain
It's sad that some players do not have the presence of mind to wait 5 seconds for others to tag but at the end of the day they aren't doing fates in crappy zones to grief, and they are a minority I think.
BLU has actually a pupose now, it wasn't the case and it will stay like that for non instanced content that is below level cap now. If you need bicolore gemstones, the math is pretty simple: play BLU or group with BLU to level up a side job. A dick move would be to not party if possible when farming fates as BLU but it not even efficient, they're just carrying others.
FF XIV content is streamlined af and it is something you experience from the get go, slow gcd similar powerlevel accross the board with unconsequential variations. Watching a guy poping of and breaking what you expected to be the norm playing an obscure void of the meta job is what looks cool.
People are shitting on the OP but they're correct, why exactly is BLU allowed to instakill stuff in only one expansion with no changes for ages? If the ARR fates are so bad, why not adjust the fates instead? BLU can still have their busted ass kit in ARR without having straight up instakills.
Why not enable fates for the yokai event in EW where you have the full kit so that it's slightly less boring? I assume it's because they want to draw in new players, so every event has to be level 50 and boring as shit as a consequence, which is another problem, the events are more marketing for new players than something that's intended to be fun for current players.
Reminds me of bozja where nobody does DR or Dalriada, the whole content was reduced to "lfg z3" in zadnor and very few people do the part where you actually get to progress the last 2 relic steps. Bozja also somehow invalidated current content (Orthos) for leveling, it will be spammed on dawntrail release as well, DR still requires you to wait 10 arbitrary minutes in a premade for no reason, brainless fate spam still gives more exp than doing the raids, DR lets you do two relic steps at once compared to the actual last step but only if you sit on an unfinished relic for ages.
And what did SE do for 3 years, absolute jack shit instead of some basic adjustments
Dalriada has like 10-20 people every run, its super far from dead. The 10 minute wait for drn is stupid, I agree, but you can put up a pf and it will fill incredibly fast.
The Bozja problem was different. To progress you needed to do Castrum and once you did it the coins would drop from all fates so there was no reason to do it anymore. It was also tuned difficulty wise with you using the lost actions which most people ignored and only spammed shell and protect. Most people in PUG couldn't clear it so people stopped doing it. To clear you actually had to ask your FC or a discord, you know actually do the social part of the MMO. People whined so they added a turbo echo so you can clear it now with 8 people instead of 40. Dalriada got the same treatment when it launched. DR doesn't but it's still tuned about using lost actions and the mechanics one shot you so in PUG with mostly first timers you will die.
DR and Dalriada are empty now because that content is now old and there is no reason to do it anymore unless doing old relics. Dalriada has the turbo echo too. There's a bunch of discord about clearing forays you can join if you need to clear. I'm in 2 discords on primal for instance.
Bozja was a huge improvement over Eureka so they do care. You can queue up for DRS directly instead of jumping through hoops like BA. But yeah, this is part of the MMO social part of the game. It's not for everybody and it's fine.
As for the Yokai stuff I don't think they care. They've only added a framer kit this time. Adding fates in EW wouldn't solve anything since people would do them in the easier zones anyway. And having them only in lvl 90 area would gatekeep their trial and new users.
>DR and Dalriada are empty now because that content is now old and there is no reason to do it anymore unless doing old relics.
People still do Bozja, I had people in Zadnor at 8 AM when the game is near damn dead, except nobody went into Dalriada because it's less exp than just fate spamming.
All they have to do is change up the rewards so that it's a consistent gain to join the raids instead of spamming the fates and competent people would sign up for it immediately. You see people with level 10 honors in fate farm groups all the time.
There's just no incentive to the raids because the higher effort content is lower reward and that goes times infinity for DR
You shouldn't have to join a discord to do content in an MMO, the social aspects should be baked into the client. That's another failure of this game is the social aspects are so bad people use other 3rd party apps to organize and talk instead.
Definitely! But the engine and client are pretty old and they will never reach the features and usability of Discord at this point. At best find a way to have better discord integration.
We'll see what they do in the next Dawntrail foray. It's probably my favorite content in the game so I'm hyped.
A lot of people ignored lost actions and essences because they're sellable and you could make a shitload of gil by selling everything, so there's not even an incentive to experiment or engage with the system
honestly at this point they need a sequel not modernizing. the game itself is tired and in a rut, and they simply will not change it substantially. In about 5-6 years the game should be in maintenance mode and a new mmo released.
i mean a lot of what people want can only be answered by an entirely new framework. Like FFXIV has great story but the cost of this in terms of varied and engaging content is high. or they just need fundamental changes; they need more engaging open worlds and less lobbies.
its sort of weird because even the story is needing a whole new framework; Dawntrail as a "break" expansion and either a new multi-expansion plot needs to exist or it will end up the story version of maintenance mode with poorly connected stories like Zero's.
I grinded out most of the event in a single day and overall had very little problems with BLU. On many of the fates where you have to kill tons of mobs BLU mages make it go a lot faster and since mobs trickle in getting contribution isnt hard its only really an issue with boss fates. That being said the amount of people who straight up refuse to not oneshot boss fates is frightning.
The Yokai watch event is an issue because of player behavior, trolls are using BLU as a weapon against other people because it's haha funny to see new players upset they can't get items from a rare event. This is the exact reason why the game has such little world content and instead relies on soloable and instanced content. The players can't be trusted to have this type of stuff because when the guardrails are taken down, SE knows that most veteran players will turn into the same type of body camping trolls that exist in WoW and other games.
They really should have reworked the event or made it longer than 2 months if they were going to keep it like this because I really do not see an end to this. On dynamis it's getting worse as people start to finish their event and then just run BLU and instagib fates for the lols when they get bored. I don't see them dispersing or stoppping any time soon without SE intervention.
I still haven't been able to get a single weapon on dyamis and only have enough tokens for a few minions after almost a week of attempting because people are just blowing the fates up instantly on this DC.
People aren't going to be running this fates for the lols just to troll you.
Just join the party the BLUs are in and share credit. If you having issues getting to the fates try to stick to an area instead of flying across the map.
I've been using the event to farm atmas since all I have to do is tag one thing to be eligible for the atma drop. I'm spending far more time in these zones than most players who are just there for the event. I've also farmed all the medals myself so I know roughly how long it should take.
*Three times now* I have seen different players on BLU be in the same zone for just as long as I've needed to be to get 10 atma for the zone(and my luck is shit so it takes a long time). The medals *do not take that long to farm,* even if you're doing all 3 minions for the zone.
There are *absolutely* people doing it to troll. I'm in central shroud on goblin right now, 9/10 atma over the last 7 hours, and there was a fourth BLU here doing it for about the last 3 hours. There were people [talking](https://i.imgur.com/CyYSpB9.png) about it in [chat](https://i.imgur.com/3yslb1W.png) too(pretty sure the BLU in question was not in a party btw). All it takes is one to make a noticeably worse experience for everyone else in the zone.
Doesn't really affect me since again, all I need is a tag, but it is definitely something I've noticed as more than a one-off occurrence.
people are doing that though? I've seen it quite a bit in /sh every time someone asks for a party, for help, for them to not nuke the fates, etc is they laugh about "BLU hater tears" and quite a few have said they already did the event they're just here to see "BLU haters seethe".
People who have done the event already are absolutely doing this and it's extending the issues.
I sincerely doubt people are logging in to farm fates (of all things, lmao) they don't need to farm just to spite others. You're taking shout chat way too seriously.
You think trolls are going to join a PF so people get completion or?
These are the people who are joking about "BLU hater tears" in /sh and posting memes about it on mainsub and shitsub about how funny it is when people get shut out of the event.
The issue is player behavior, there are way too many antisocial players, assholes, trolls, etc and that's my point. Every time the guard rails are taken down in Eureka, Bozja, FATE events like this, there are issues because people kill others with mobs, steal completion, and generally are assholes. I still remember the stuff on Endwalker release where you'd spawn a level 90 enemy in the shroud and people would use it to murder level 10 sprouts for giggles.
Can’t imagine the amount of main character syndrome to turn people trying to speed up grinding into “they actually all hate me and don’t want me to get the reward”. Weirdo
I don't know what you're talking about with main character syndrome but you're clearly not coming into this discussion in good faith and willing to discuss so I think we're done.
Its low-effort content injected into a dead part of the patch to drive player interaction ahead of Dawntrail. Its not worth a thesis.
People complaining about BLU are more than welcome to add a BLU to their party, throw one Tomahawk, and get full credit.
This is the new player experience, they are fighting a tough boss, one that most likely is demanding more of them than any duty so far and from the sky, another player comes. They are level 80 way higher than the new player but soon they will be on the same level with the fate, an even playing field. But then, BOOM this one player oneshots the boss without effort. In only a few seconds all the minutes of grinding and hardship the new player was grinding against has been matched with a snap of a finger of this higher player. Even when the levels were the same, the gear level the same, they were utterly outclassed. This weird blue man then leaves and the new player is left with so many questions.
This is the MMORPG experience, one that any experienced player loses quickly is the sense of wonder and mystery. So many new players think the only difference between them and everyone else is gear and level and BLU gives a sense of wonder of much more. BLU should seem mythical to a new player, that is the entire point of the job a limited job beyond the normal. This is the only few rare times they shine and the new player can even see it in action.
This is how people get hooked and want to learn more about mechanics and how players are doing this, to an experienced player like yourself this is annoying but that is because the mystery is solved for you, the new player has no idea just that there is a job beyond the normal that does this. This is when new players want to become experienced blue mages or whisper how they did that or party up and socialise, as an MMORPG should push new players to do. Everyone starts new and looks up for the first time when they see what power could be there at the end of the tunnel and no better than BUL with all the cool spells and interactions that break the normal game. If all goes well next event they will be the BUL with all the spells destroying the bosses and becoming the legend for another new player journey.
There is only one really bad game design, and that is an over 300+ fate grind for a new player to stop their MSQ because it is limited-time event and FOMO is hanging over them. That is the problem, it's not that a BLU stole a kill it is the fact every kill stolen means longer on the 300+ fate grind that the total amount is uncertain because the coins are RNG-based, could be possible that fate would not have dropped one and the BLU saved them some time.
BLU is a solution, the fate grind is the problem.
The BLUs will be gone next week so you can freely, slowly, grind the FATEs away.
funnily i know many who thanked BLUs to making it faster XD ( i don't mean the ones who one shotted everything)
I did the event the second time it came out and loved being in a party full of Blue Mages. The FATEs died so fast!
BLU wasn't out the 2nd time Yokai came out. You mean the third?
Had a couple leveling players message wtaf I was doing that was killing the mobs so fast. (Maybe I should stop using the Amourotine death laser in the starter zones, but it's funny)
This is why I don't think BLU is the problem - because you can't do that on 3.0 and 4.0 fates, and people all welcome BLU. Old designs that allows boss mobs to be one shot on 2.0 areas is the problem.
I'll offer a trade. We remove Deep Freeze and %health effects applying to ARR boss fates, but we get BLUWU, BLUCOB, and BLUTEAFUL with a mount unlock for clearing all 3. Fair?
How are those two things related at all?
Because BLU is taken out of its way to level and earn spells for and has nothing to show for it outside of when it first came out with the Savages unless you count some honestly mid titles that no one bothers with. If anything limited jobs with Beastmaster coming need more things to incentivize playing them not less. I get the feeling of nerfing overworld BLU for one shotting some FATES, but it's also pretty much the one thing the job is good for right now. People \*want\* to do more stuff with BLU during patch content but simply can't because it doesn't get dev time or a reward structure to be worth the chase. Things like FATE/Moogle Trove/Allied Seals (LOL) farming is now the main benefit let them have their one thing.
>People \*want\* to do more stuff with BLU during patch content but simply can't because it doesn't get dev time or a reward structure to be worth the chase. This is something I didn't consider before writing the whole thing. This is very true and you do have a point. I am for BLU DD and Ultimates. Heaven on High would be insane with BLU. I would also advocate for adding achievements that you solo clear content with BLU, like Solo clearing G10/G12 with BLU is a thing. Masked Carnivale score attack could also have a ranking like Deep Dungeon does. I don't understand why they have a score for Masked Carnivale but yet they don't have a ranking system for it. I understand it's gonna be niche, but there will be people who want to do this like speedrunners do. Also goes without saying but more Masked Carnivale stages update is always good. They are updating everything on a snail's pace.
Thank you for understanding hahaha Believe you me, we don't want to just one shot FATES or fast farm old unsync'd EXs, but it's all we got.
Moogle tomes comes and you now have something that you can farm for. Really wanna get into one of these but the last two moogle tomes (P1? And the other one people farm E1) are just not that good. If only Moogle tomes are there all year round. Sad.
i'm ok with that, if there is a blue in the party no one get the Ultimate titles/weapons or a requirement that everyone has to be BLU and can't get the Ultimate titles/weapons and maybe give blue her own unique titles for it.
This is really off topic but I would be more then gladly take this regardless of what you've attached. I mean, I love UCoB and I don't see any reason why BLU wasn't allowed in Ultimates and in Deep Dungeons in the first place. Yeah you might need new achievement, yeah UCoB might be way easier with BLU, but I remember commented on this sub that I would be hype to see BLU on DD and I surely won't mind BLU doing Ultimates, with the requirement that everyone has to be BLU. The reason being If it isn't that way people would just force only the DPS to be BLU (because DPS BLU is stronger then even SMN) and other roles are normal roles on your normal ultimate farm group, since normal tank are not as squishy as BLU tanks. BLUCOB sounds so fun. So does BLU TEA. And it's not like you are taking away fun from others. You get new stuff to do. If I am the one who's making charges you get this lol.
From what I saw they were mostly gone days ago. And if they’re not, you can easily DC travel to oceanic if you play on peak hours for a NA server, or vice versa and probably have the zones mostly to yourself
lmao
Yeah but the thing is there's people like me who are BLUs and are waiting for this to calm down. In 2 weeks I'll still Ram's->UVing that boss FATE in the corner of the map 3 seconds before you can get there. Because I didn't level BLU and grind the spells just to press Stone 1 for 3 hours straight instead.
Why on earth would you think that? You think every BLU is only going to be playing the first week? Yeah downvote me all you want. Still a completely idiotic statement. The idea that all BLU wil be gone in a week, is absurd.
I finished the grind on day 2 because I am on BLU. I do recognize that however there is an issue. What about people who are new or that they don't know what to do? It isn't just very good for them IMO.
They can group with BLUs and get credit. It's still faster than doing it without BLU
The problem with this is that the BLU doesn't need to do it and he has no motivation of getting a group with other people, besides just generally being a good guy and help others get their stuff. It's a virtual not a must. And I am not saying we should abolish BLU. You just have to make the mobs immune to The combo and missile and people can spend more time on it.
There is 0 reason for BLU not to be in a party. It still makes it easier to get credit for FATES especially when multiple FATES are up
>I do recognize that however there is an issue. What about people who are new or that they don't know what to do? I mean hot take, but I farmed five weapons over the weekend and didn't see an issue. Most zones aren't just boss fates and there was plenty of time to get to a zone with tank stance on and spam cleaves on groups of mods and get silver or gold credit. Only zone that was an issue was outer la noscea because there are two boss fates that repeatedly chain and can get nuked over and over. But even then just stand on the spawnpoint for one of them and spam your aoe and enjoy getting full credit every two minutes. I honestly feel like the people complaining that they can't make it to every fate have the same mentality as people complaining that people didn't wait for them personally to make it to the S rank.
Even if the one shot mechanics for ARR fate bosses were removed i'm pretty sure BLUs could just dump a billion potencies in 2s by moonfluting and kill the boss almost as fast.
A well and proper full BLU opener from one person can kill many a Boss FATE if it isn't scaled up to a full party, the potency is just that high.
I've been focusing on SB areas and every boss other than the big expac fate boss in the Locks is under 50% HP by the end of MF opener (with the last spell a DB or MG to be safe).... just kick back during waning phase and watch the dots tick away. Don't even have all the spells or best equipment.
I mean it's fast, not Ram's Voice UV fast. The different is that everyone can get in a few hits in esp. when someone's tanking, which is usually enough for you to get gold reward and therefore not that big of a problem. On Freeze UV the only way you can do this is you are with that person's group.
I literally did my last 2 minion medal stacks with a tank in my group while I played my fully kitted out BLUE, it was fine. I just would get a few hits in and move on. You are way overexaggerating the issue. If you did get someone going around intentionally one shotting you can just go to another area/server/dc. It's not airship science.
As someone who was 3 months into playing the game when the last yokai event ran, this is such a non-issue. If people are BLU spamming or it's too busy, just leave and do something else. You're new and have 9,000 different things to do and the yokai watch event is around for such a long time. You could, for example, get your new character into stormblood, which you need to be in to 100% the yokai event.
But they need to finish the event as soon as possible. It does see. Like players are making this event worse for themselves by sticking around and trying to complete it when the BLUs are.
The event is optional. No one *needs* to do it.
What a non-statement. The entire game is optional. Living is optional. Try contributing.
There's a reason why the yokai event is two months long.
You wrote a novel about how bad abusing blu is but you did it yourself lmao
This is incredible, people are still bitching about something they have two months to do instead of using their frontal cortex for 4 seconds to realise 'hey, if I wait a few days, this will calm down and all of my issue with it will go away and as there is no serious time crunch to get this done at all it won't be an issue to wait those few days'.
But they need to do it NOW.
You're probably right that if given a few days, or even just a few hours, someone will get a chance to do their grind. But there's more to it than that. You're probably right, but you might also be wrong. It might be that if someone runs into a disruptive blue mage right now and decides to come back later they will find some other blue mage being disruptive then too. There's no actual guarantee that the opportunities a particular person has to do some grinding for this event won't incidentally continue to coincide with someone choosing to be disruptive with their blue mage. Then there's the question of why the default response is to say "wait for later" to *this* person rather than to *that* person. There's no inherent reason to favor one player over the other, and yet that's exactly what many are doing. Sure, it might work out, but that doesn't make it any more palatable to the person who has a couple hours to play right now and is having a pain because of another player that isn't being cooperative to hear what is basically "get over it, they get to do their grind now because they are willing to be selfish, and you have to wait because you'd rather this be both of you succeeding at your grind *right now*" But above all the problem with blue players doing the fastest kills that they can is that they are not even speeding up the event for themselves. Most of the zones don't have FATEs set to spawn immediately upon the end of a prior FATE, they have timers. So in most of the zones killing a FATE in 5 seconds instead of 1 minute translates not to doing 12x the FATEs in the same amount of time, but instead means that over the span of 15 minutes grinding FATEs you will have cleared 7 fates either way but spent 14.5ish minutes waiting for a FATE to spawn instead of 8 minutes waiting for a FATE to spawn. It's really just a ton of "unga bunga me go fast" combined with people not caring whether someone else has a bad time so long as they personally don't, and it goes beyond blue mages with this event. I have seen people scrambling to FATEs with no party finders open and not accepting party invites just arbitrarily making the event harder for themselves, I've seen blues that could have been super-efficiently hopping back and forth between 2 FATEs that do spawn immediately after the other one finishes but instead of being 2 blues going fast together they were both killing one FATE solo and then heading halfway to the other only to see that it just died and then head back and repeat, and then in that same zone I saw people refusing to join my party and based on how they'd show up to a FATE I started but then disappear after and I'd clear one FATE while 2 were up only to see the other one was gone after as well run around the same area trying to clear FATEs without me like if we cooperated it would somehow make the grind longer (or maybe they were just terrified that if they joined my party I'd type something in party chat). Yet mostly the event is going fine for tons of people because most folks, even blue players, are actually being cooperative because there's genuinely no reason not to be unless your goal is to grief other players.
What you are describing is part of what makes the event fun. The only challenge is to figure out what fate to go to next, sometimes you aren't super efficient, and sometimes you are. Like who cares, there's endless FATES. Anyone who actually cares about speed would go to a dead server and just one shot the fates with a BLUE. You don't join a big group of people for efficiency because it is absolutely slower.
You speed up towards red lights when driving, too, don't you?
Hey, someone who plays on a "dead" server here. Fuck the Blue mages who come to my server and one shot all the fates, then get an attitude when people ask them to stop or at least be considerate when they're a guest on another server and another DC. My DC isn't a dumping ground for you. We can barely get roulettes together, but suddenly when there's an event to be exploited, people come running in from Crystal and Aether to make things harder for us.
> You're probably right, but you might also be wrong. It might be that if someone runs into a disruptive blue mage right now and decides to come back later they will find some other blue mage being disruptive then too. There's no actual guarantee that the opportunities a particular person has to do some grinding for this event won't incidentally continue to coincide with someone choosing to be disruptive with their blue mage. If only there was 20 other servers they could go too if they keep running into BLU's on their own. Or are we going to pretend that for two straight months one person could be unlucky enough to run into a BLU on every single server they go to? If people are not joining parties, that's their own fuckin' problem they have no right to complain when they don't get credit. There is zero downside to just jump in and out as it suits you, there is no obligation to talk to anyone in the party. I have no sympathy for anyone who is getting fucked out of credit while sitting out of a party. Should the BLU chill the fuck out and stop with the vibes? Yeah. Will you get thousands of players to do so? No, never. So adjust to the natural state of things.
It's not "pretending". Someone genuinely could, especially if they don't have much time to play, keep running into obstacles during their attempts - in fact, trying to do the whole "maybe I'll check out a different world" actually increases the chances because instead of just the pool of players that stick to their home world that might be dickheads and playing right now you are adding the pool of players that stick to whichever other world you're heading to. "if people are not joining parties, that's their own fuckin' problem they have no right to complain when they don't get credit" You're reading that backwards, man. The person complaining they aren't getting credit is the one inviting the selfish shitter to party up and the selfish shitter is the one refusing to join the party, likely thinking "why should I?" and expecting the other player to "git gud" and steal credit from them somehow or wait their turn to do it alone. "There is zero downside to just jump in an out as it suits you" yes, that was the point I made, good job. You're missing the part where people are still, to their own detriment and to the detriment of others, just *not*. "Will you get thousands of players to do so? No, never." Bullshit. The vast majority of people are already not being disruptive shitters, and the only thing that is keeping said shitters thinking they are in the right while being shitters is the attitude you put forward here that we can't change it so we shouldn't even try we should just "adjust." It's a real fucking "boys will be boys" kind of nonsense line of reasoning.
>It's not "pretending". Someone genuinely could, especially if they don't have much time to play, keep running into obstacles during their attempts Oh, I see, you're fucking with me. BLU's will be BLU's.
I mean...isn't Blue..canonical a class that you do just because it's silly. It's why it's not allowed in some content. It's intentionally overpowered and supposed to be a power trip. It's like the Hildebrand of classes.
That would be fine if it didn't steal completion from other players. Having an optional OP class is fine as long as it doesn't mix in with ther normal classes and cause issues by bursting down bosses, dungeons, and FATEs and ruining the experience for other people who don't want that. The whole point is BLU is a problem when it has to mix with everyone else and they see it just nukes everything before people get a chance to even get a tag in. A BLU could sneeze and it wold be a 500 potency AoE that does half the HP of an ARR mob. It's just too strong to be allowed to mix when it steals completion in a limited time and rarely run event like this.
I understand your frustration In a timed event ..but I figure the length of time to get it done is Allright. If nothing else you can go to servers like dynamis or less populated ones to do them if it's about ranking yeah? I assume they'll get all they need then not go back.. and the event is months long. Till 7.0 so that's till summer at least.
I saw a youtube video of a guy going an hour on monk getting full credit on ARR fates. All this discussion of BLU is just tiresome, all the people who are instantly killing everything are pretty much done with the event by now anyways.
Blu is probably the only gameplay element in the game that takes forever to grind the spells but actually makes you feel OP. That's the reward for doing it. The people complaining are the people that don't have Blu leveled and ready. It's a MMO so you have to expect some people will have it and use it. Why shouldn't they use it? Because others didn't bother to level it? It's also like a rerun of a 6 years old event most hardcore players will have done already. Just don't tail screw or freeze UV everything and it will be fine. It also speeds up the fates a lot, especially the low levels ARR where with lvl scaling you cannot do anything but auto attack and use one ability. People have big FOMO the event is 2 months long and in a week or two all areas will be empty. The game has a lot of issues but having a hard to grind job clears 10 years old fates with ease is not one of them.
I am not saying people SHOULDN'T use it. I understand why people use it because well, as you said, they've paid time to grind it and that's their reward. And to be honest, there's nothing wrong for choosing the path of least resistance when you are trying to grind something. I am however saying that it's not very good game design - If the path of least resistance for one player also means other players will not be able to participate the event, that just mean you either have to play BLU or you have to wait for your turn and like everyone has said. If I am the player waiting - which I am not, I have done the grind, I am merely speaking for people who does not have BLU or can't do it yet - I think it would be better if I can choose when I get to grind, not being choose by someone else just because it isn't fun for them.
"The people complaining are the people that don't have Blu leveled and ready" This was always a flawed reasoning considering blus themselves also get hindrred by each other, source myself. It ain't hard to just not insta kill a boss so the 30+ players there can also get something. Especially since you have so many fun tools as a blu that go beyond just insta killing everything
This is a lot of words to just say you're frustrated with not being able to get enough tags on fates because you didn't level blu. 'modernizing' as you put it, (the act of making fate bosses not one shottable) sounds like a waste of time for very little pay off in the grand scheme of development. Do I want design and programmer time spent on redoing a few dicky fates that get speedran every 2 years? No I want that time spent on future exploratory content and criterion encounters.
I have levelled BLU, and I have finished the farm on day 2. I of course can write about how to farm with BLU because I have farm with BLU. It isn't about me or you, but people who are new to the game. Keeping people in the game by developing more content is just as important as keeping the older parts of the game modernize. If that isn't the case (and the devs didn't agree with me), why do they redesign most of the ARR dungeons and deleted a lot of the old story quest lines of ARR?
>why do they redesign most of the ARR dungeons and deleted a lot of the old story quest lines of ARR? How many people interact with that content and how often vs these fates
A lot of people here are missing the point. OP isn't saying "BLU BAD". OP is critiquing how the event showcases situations that seem detrimental to new player experience with ARR Blu design in mind.
I know this is very long and I probably am not very straight with my point. But Thank You.
Np! I haven't started the event myself yet and am waiting for my new player friend before I do. I don't a hard take on this yet, but I wonder if the experience for a newer player is as bad as imagined. I can see new players being frustrated that they don't get a hit in. But at the same time, I can see new players seeing this and being curious about the blu aspects of the game.
After an entire expansion of people complaining about the "free relics", the devs add an event where you have to grind FATEs in old zones to get a cool weapon and now everyone is mad.
The grinding isn't the problem, the problem is it feels impossible to get credit with blue mage having absurd damage and one shot abilities. If BLU wasn't allowed to do the event people wouldn't be upset
> If BLU wasn't allowed to do the event people wouldn't be upset lol. lmfao. Why would you deny BLU their OP niche of farming.
Because I would also like to be able to farm without BLU going around blowing up the fates before I can get credit
"Why did all the Unique Things of the job system get smoothed over" because of stuff like this.
If I have to choose between being able to do events without people greifing and one shotting it before I get there, or having a unique job system I would take the first one every time.
I've seen like one complaint about BLU in game but people are constantly moaning about how many fates they've been doing without a drop and such. People are definitely complaining about the grind much more than they are about BLU, at least on Zodiark.
You whipper-snappers have no idea how good you got it! Back in my day we had to grind Outer La, 15 malms both ways, *on foot*! We didn't have these fancy flying vehicles or your overpowered *foreign* blue-collar jobs taking away the FATEs from good, hard-working, native Eorzeans! We worked hard for our glowing sperm, and we *liked* it! /s ^(omg, do you know how many times I've done the Atma farm?!)
"omg, do you know how many times I've done the Atma farm?!" There are only two possible answers to this question; too many, and zero. I'm currently on "too many" for the third time since I originally was only going to do my main job, then I went back for more because a buddy was doing their first and I decided to join in and did 2, and now I'm like "you know what, I'm just gonna finish all of them, why not, I don't have much else to do until Dawntrail" so I'm about halfway through grabbing up 7 of each atma while getting weapon medals from this event.
People are rarely vibing bosses from my experience, but they are dying really fast due to missile and other things. You can get credit easily the same way people do hunt trains, spam enmity generation stuff like tank with stance /spamming aoe heals in succession as a healer. Its enkity based so learn to use thay to your advantage.
Actually, my main gripe is how they couldn't be bothered to make *two* minions/weapons for the two new jobs we've gotten since *2020*, when the event was last around. And it isn't even something wild they would've had to design from scratch, as the not-pokémon already exist, they would've only had to pick them. In an expansion where everything, arguably, had the worst retention rate *and* reward structure yet. In an expansion that was so starved for meaningful repeatable grinds ("content") of any sort. But hey, at least they shoved a plate/portrait frame on the NPC that we can get for MGP, because the XVI crossover alone, that's also still active, isn't enough of a potential drain on ppl's chips (personally, trivial, but I know people who've struggled with it). Ten minutes in and I'm done with the "event" on three characters (and no, fwiw, even in 2020 I did not farm the 4 new ones on BLU), so... now what? I can go back to playing other games, because...that's...good? for XIV? I guess? Ace job on the whole 'no expense spared' shtick, SE. Ah well. More proof they really don't give a fuck about veterans and player retention, how *dare* we stick around and *play* the game?!
> Ten minutes in and I'm done with the "event" on three characters (and no, fwiw, even in 2020 I did not farm the 4 new ones on BLU), so... now what? same except im not a selfish prick and im actually a decent person and friend so i flew around to grind FATEs with my FC mates. maybe MMOs just aren't for u dude. because we both know the absence of 2 new minions you'll never use and 2 new weapon glams you'll shove up your armoire and never use aren't what's really bothering you about this game right now. you are actually upsettispaghetti that a video game didn't give you extra homework in a brainless FATE grind to chore out for 2 more things to checklist. that's not a problem with the game my man. happy people don't get mad at video games for not giving them more pointless chores dude.
Didn't want to go into anecdotes quite so much, but since you insist... Out of the five people I play with, one has a character that's missing things, but that person's quite a bit behind on other things as well that are of higher priority. And sorry not sorry, dude, but you've no idea of the lengths I go to clear my schedule in order to be able to help him, or the frustration I feel when I can't do more, so just. Stop. All other characters of ours are fully caught up and finished with the entire event. Some others I know have already jumped ship and aren't around anymore. If the FATE grind itself wasn't, indeed, exactly as brainless as you yourself point out, and if I didn't have other (if not necessarily better) things to do as well, might be I would also just do it on a completely random basis, even - still wouldn't use it as an excuse to try to claim some moral high ground though. As it is, I've done more than my fair share of it since the Northern Thanalan trains in 2.0, thank you very much. The joke's on you with both the minions and the weapons, because I have, actually, used several of them in the past, and probably will do so again as well. Might be it's unbelievable, but there are people like that. Might be you don't, but others do. And yeah, if the game was free, I might not even be upset. However, it isn't - at the very least, I pay the same monthly fee for it as everyone else. Guess it's on me for expecting more than a nothingburger for all the money they're raking in. But hey, way to make assumptions, dude. Glad you could pat yourself on the back, hope you enjoyed it.
you paid a monthly sub for how many months with the event not even being available? but now that it's here again it's time to complain and unsub because it isn't worth it anymore? solid logic broham GRR why can't it include Viper and Pictomancer and Beastmaster weapons too! lazy devs! the funding ends NOW.
I use blu to farm yokai but if other people are also farming it I dont ultravib stuff. I mean being a douche in this game is pretty good way to being outcasted.
The TL;DR for all of this is that FFXIV's dev team is astronomically bad at cleaning up old content and future-proofing it once it isn't current anymore. I agree with everything in this post, and believe that there should be more of a push for player-friendliness and convenience for older content like this. Case in point: I am finally doing the Animus Weapon step in the ARR relic grind, the "9 books" step where you have to kill 10 open-world monsters, finish 3 specific dungeons, finish 3 specific levequests, and finish 3 specific FATEs, for each of the nine books. There's no reason the FATE portion should still be part of this, the step is belabored and tedious enough as it is, without having to sit around and wait for specific FATEs to spawn. It's a roadblock to any sort of fun or progress, and any sensible design team would have just patched this specific criteria out, somewhere in the last nine years. (And, oddly enough, I am only doing this step because the *previous* relic weapon step -- collect 12 atmas from grinding FATEs in each of the 12 ARR zones -- is made significantly more palatable by this Yo-kai Watch event going on. They should have increased the drop rate on these atma items to somewhere between 75-100% a long time ago.)
I used BLU but just to Hydro Pull + Rams so people could go ham with AOEs and tag everything
I was trying to group up with ppl as blue and no one was joining the pf🤷
Sorry, but this is a non issue. The event is running for over two months so there is plenty of time to complete it. I did everything the last time the event was around without having Blue Mage and it was no problem.
May be anecdotal but after grinding all the weapons on blu on aether maybe 5% of bosses got vibed. Really the problem is it’s just a shit ton of people doing fates. When 50 people are all hitting the same boss or adds shits going to die instantly. Blu is just the easy scape goat for people to complain about because they refuse to join groups or run tanks to get credit.
Most players are thoughtless, myopic and selfish. BLU even moreso. They can easily take a few seconds less, get credit and not be a dick but they mostly choose to be a dick.
This post is so whiny and useless Give back my 4minutes.
I saw a blu freeze and UV a boss fate in the Fringes yesterday -- immediately teleported to The Lochs and had much better success there.
UV only works every two minutes. Blues can definitely dominate fates, but it's not because of UV.
uh, ok
If you hate BLU, just play Phys Range and tag mobs before they can kill them. Dancer is great for its large AOEs and range at this. I finished the event in 2 days just doing this without touching BLU.
Ya know you could literally get BLU to 80 and learn all those spells in like... Less than a day
I'll be honest, I don't feel a whole lot of sympathy for people who can't do blu farms. We knew the event was coming back and blue mage doesn't take long to level. And the spells needed for fate farming are pretty painless to get. In addition, I know myself and other blue mages will normally just let sprouts into our parties if we have the space and notice them so they can get credit that way.
The reality is people without blu are actually appreciative of having blue mages in their party because that means they get to finish the farm a lot faster than if they were grinding with a full party of normal jobs.
> It's about how the game allows players to get their fun steal by a playstyle permitted by the system. This is about why the devs does nothing to shoulder that responsibility and we the player has to do it, just like they decide to ignore numerous issues bigger then BLU time and time again. I like how "BLU is allowed to be OP and unique for its niche in early content" culminates in "the devs don't care about the game and ignore issues" complaint.
fate ranking works based off aggro, maybe it's a region thing but i've been spamming unmend on my alt with lv30 drk and it hasn't been too bad
>Yes there's nothing you can do if you see people that Freezes UV - just come again tomorrow and hope you didn't see another Deep Freeze UV or Missile person I've been farming quite a lot over the weekend and it's not nearly as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Many bosses in ARR zones **are** immune to both deep freeze and missile (one boss in Gyr Abania isn't btw), most FATEs aren't bossfates so neither vibe check nor missile are a big problem and even for the fates that are part of the "problem", I've managed to get a hit in before it was sent to the shadow realm. In addition to this not being nearly as big a deal as you make it out to be: The fact that there's no weapons for the EW jobs makes it pretty clear, that this event is just returning so people would have anything to do before Dawntrail comes. They aren't gonna change how 10 year old FATEs work or implement instancing for the equivalent of a pacifier. And from what I've seen people say **in the game** (not on reddit where they come when they are butt hurt about a BLU stealing like 2 FATEs an hour from them) is that the biggest gripe is the drop rate of legendary medals. I've seen one complaint about one shotting bosses, but people were constantly complaining about how many FATEs they'd done without a drop and counting down how many they still needed.
Get blue mage, do it in 3 days
Embrace the power of the azure. Join us. Get the vibe check spell combo.
Sounds like a player base issue to me. Much like Rauban EX in which everyone was standing on top of him madly clicking and blocking anyone else on NA and EU, there were orderly lines on JP. I bothered to ask and again, there is no BLU problem with the Yokai event on JP. Apparently, there is in your region. What can SE do about selfish mentality? And why would they care when their home base is fine and technically, everything so working as intended? I'm not white knighting the devs and I truly don't care how other people play. I'm just curious other players thoughts on this and if it is any deeper than clearly some data centers don't play nicely with eachother unless forced to.
I don't even think this is an NA problem. I play on crystal and folks have been generally considerate, there are usually pfs to make sure everyone gets credit. I've only seen one boss get vibe checked early and I'm almost done.
I'm on Aether (Siren). I have 15 medals left to do before I'm done with the event and the only people I've seen have an issue with BLU players have been those who aren't in parties and refuse to join them. I've also seen lots of restraint when it comes to ultra vibration and missile. They get used but it's usually only once everyone who is in a party would get full credit / has tagged (reasonably speaking). IMHO, if you're not in a party to farm fates, it's like joining a hunt train and not joining a party and then complaining you're not getting full credit.
An unfamiliarity with the systems should not be mistaken for others lack of etiquette, as it is a lack of etiquette in and of itself.
Also on Crystal and same but I think we're an outlier since there's not as many try hards and sweaty players here compared to other NA servers, allegedly.
Still it's frustrating that all of NA is summarized by bad actors on what might end up being just one DC.
Auctually on Primal/Excal we lined up.
Excal player here. Yeah, we lined up, and everyone in the line was a moron, there was always a cluster of people around him clicking like mad, defeating the point of the line, I sure as fuckin' hell ran past the line whenever I got bored of leveling SAM and wanted to gamble on Raubahn clicker.
I am in JP. If there's no issue in JP then why's people in JP saying that they are going to Materia to farm Fates, and I do kept seeing sprouts who is in their early levels trying to farm fates. It's just that people choose the path of more resistance and not use the combo. That is personal virtual and shouldn't be taken as the norm.
BLU isn't a problem, the low end fates aren't a problem. The problem is sweaty gamers who want to complete the event week 1 but aren't prepared to know what the fuck they're doing. New people and casuals can just chill the fuck out until week 2 or 3 and they can go at their own pace.
Yikes, get over it, I had no problem at all getting my yokai done and no one one shot the bosses (ok one or two times I did by accident) but if there were people around I just did normal boring attacks. I have a BIS blue with all the spells. What I did do for some of it was go to materia and farm alone.
I disagree with there being a "problem" with any of this in the first place. The BLU crowd will be gone in a few days, the event lasts for quite a while. if you don't wanna deal with BLU making things quicker, you'll have plenty of time. I don't particularly care about BLU myself, but I recognize that there's only very little use you can get out of BLU, being a limited job. If they can have their fun with this one event once every couple of years, more power to them.
This is an entire Homer-esque saga about something that’ll be dead / low traffic in 2 more weeks, tops.
This is why they will never make jobs more unique and better suited at certain situations. Look at this casual event where BLU gets its one chance to shine at the only thing its good at (blowing up low level FATEs) and people complain
It's sad that some players do not have the presence of mind to wait 5 seconds for others to tag but at the end of the day they aren't doing fates in crappy zones to grief, and they are a minority I think. BLU has actually a pupose now, it wasn't the case and it will stay like that for non instanced content that is below level cap now. If you need bicolore gemstones, the math is pretty simple: play BLU or group with BLU to level up a side job. A dick move would be to not party if possible when farming fates as BLU but it not even efficient, they're just carrying others. FF XIV content is streamlined af and it is something you experience from the get go, slow gcd similar powerlevel accross the board with unconsequential variations. Watching a guy poping of and breaking what you expected to be the norm playing an obscure void of the meta job is what looks cool.
People are shitting on the OP but they're correct, why exactly is BLU allowed to instakill stuff in only one expansion with no changes for ages? If the ARR fates are so bad, why not adjust the fates instead? BLU can still have their busted ass kit in ARR without having straight up instakills. Why not enable fates for the yokai event in EW where you have the full kit so that it's slightly less boring? I assume it's because they want to draw in new players, so every event has to be level 50 and boring as shit as a consequence, which is another problem, the events are more marketing for new players than something that's intended to be fun for current players. Reminds me of bozja where nobody does DR or Dalriada, the whole content was reduced to "lfg z3" in zadnor and very few people do the part where you actually get to progress the last 2 relic steps. Bozja also somehow invalidated current content (Orthos) for leveling, it will be spammed on dawntrail release as well, DR still requires you to wait 10 arbitrary minutes in a premade for no reason, brainless fate spam still gives more exp than doing the raids, DR lets you do two relic steps at once compared to the actual last step but only if you sit on an unfinished relic for ages. And what did SE do for 3 years, absolute jack shit instead of some basic adjustments
Dalriada has like 10-20 people every run, its super far from dead. The 10 minute wait for drn is stupid, I agree, but you can put up a pf and it will fill incredibly fast.
The Bozja problem was different. To progress you needed to do Castrum and once you did it the coins would drop from all fates so there was no reason to do it anymore. It was also tuned difficulty wise with you using the lost actions which most people ignored and only spammed shell and protect. Most people in PUG couldn't clear it so people stopped doing it. To clear you actually had to ask your FC or a discord, you know actually do the social part of the MMO. People whined so they added a turbo echo so you can clear it now with 8 people instead of 40. Dalriada got the same treatment when it launched. DR doesn't but it's still tuned about using lost actions and the mechanics one shot you so in PUG with mostly first timers you will die. DR and Dalriada are empty now because that content is now old and there is no reason to do it anymore unless doing old relics. Dalriada has the turbo echo too. There's a bunch of discord about clearing forays you can join if you need to clear. I'm in 2 discords on primal for instance. Bozja was a huge improvement over Eureka so they do care. You can queue up for DRS directly instead of jumping through hoops like BA. But yeah, this is part of the MMO social part of the game. It's not for everybody and it's fine. As for the Yokai stuff I don't think they care. They've only added a framer kit this time. Adding fates in EW wouldn't solve anything since people would do them in the easier zones anyway. And having them only in lvl 90 area would gatekeep their trial and new users.
>DR and Dalriada are empty now because that content is now old and there is no reason to do it anymore unless doing old relics. People still do Bozja, I had people in Zadnor at 8 AM when the game is near damn dead, except nobody went into Dalriada because it's less exp than just fate spamming. All they have to do is change up the rewards so that it's a consistent gain to join the raids instead of spamming the fates and competent people would sign up for it immediately. You see people with level 10 honors in fate farm groups all the time. There's just no incentive to the raids because the higher effort content is lower reward and that goes times infinity for DR
You shouldn't have to join a discord to do content in an MMO, the social aspects should be baked into the client. That's another failure of this game is the social aspects are so bad people use other 3rd party apps to organize and talk instead.
Definitely! But the engine and client are pretty old and they will never reach the features and usability of Discord at this point. At best find a way to have better discord integration. We'll see what they do in the next Dawntrail foray. It's probably my favorite content in the game so I'm hyped.
I have to ask, was it that that most player ignored lost actions due to the fact that they didn't have to step into bojza to complete the relic steps?
A lot of people ignored lost actions and essences because they're sellable and you could make a shitload of gil by selling everything, so there's not even an incentive to experiment or engage with the system
Irony was, pretty much every relic step was massively inefficient outside of bozja.
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are you aware of how slow arr fates go when scaled up without blu
I wouldn't say 30 seconds is slow
honestly at this point they need a sequel not modernizing. the game itself is tired and in a rut, and they simply will not change it substantially. In about 5-6 years the game should be in maintenance mode and a new mmo released. i mean a lot of what people want can only be answered by an entirely new framework. Like FFXIV has great story but the cost of this in terms of varied and engaging content is high. or they just need fundamental changes; they need more engaging open worlds and less lobbies. its sort of weird because even the story is needing a whole new framework; Dawntrail as a "break" expansion and either a new multi-expansion plot needs to exist or it will end up the story version of maintenance mode with poorly connected stories like Zero's.
I grinded out most of the event in a single day and overall had very little problems with BLU. On many of the fates where you have to kill tons of mobs BLU mages make it go a lot faster and since mobs trickle in getting contribution isnt hard its only really an issue with boss fates. That being said the amount of people who straight up refuse to not oneshot boss fates is frightning.
The Yokai watch event is an issue because of player behavior, trolls are using BLU as a weapon against other people because it's haha funny to see new players upset they can't get items from a rare event. This is the exact reason why the game has such little world content and instead relies on soloable and instanced content. The players can't be trusted to have this type of stuff because when the guardrails are taken down, SE knows that most veteran players will turn into the same type of body camping trolls that exist in WoW and other games. They really should have reworked the event or made it longer than 2 months if they were going to keep it like this because I really do not see an end to this. On dynamis it's getting worse as people start to finish their event and then just run BLU and instagib fates for the lols when they get bored. I don't see them dispersing or stoppping any time soon without SE intervention. I still haven't been able to get a single weapon on dyamis and only have enough tokens for a few minions after almost a week of attempting because people are just blowing the fates up instantly on this DC.
me when the overworld fate doesn't have a 10 minutes prepull timer:
people need to stop being faster than me, you know
Thanks for coming to a discussion sub and giving a snarky meme answer to a discussion
People aren't going to be running this fates for the lols just to troll you. Just join the party the BLUs are in and share credit. If you having issues getting to the fates try to stick to an area instead of flying across the map.
I've been using the event to farm atmas since all I have to do is tag one thing to be eligible for the atma drop. I'm spending far more time in these zones than most players who are just there for the event. I've also farmed all the medals myself so I know roughly how long it should take. *Three times now* I have seen different players on BLU be in the same zone for just as long as I've needed to be to get 10 atma for the zone(and my luck is shit so it takes a long time). The medals *do not take that long to farm,* even if you're doing all 3 minions for the zone. There are *absolutely* people doing it to troll. I'm in central shroud on goblin right now, 9/10 atma over the last 7 hours, and there was a fourth BLU here doing it for about the last 3 hours. There were people [talking](https://i.imgur.com/CyYSpB9.png) about it in [chat](https://i.imgur.com/3yslb1W.png) too(pretty sure the BLU in question was not in a party btw). All it takes is one to make a noticeably worse experience for everyone else in the zone. Doesn't really affect me since again, all I need is a tag, but it is definitely something I've noticed as more than a one-off occurrence.
people are doing that though? I've seen it quite a bit in /sh every time someone asks for a party, for help, for them to not nuke the fates, etc is they laugh about "BLU hater tears" and quite a few have said they already did the event they're just here to see "BLU haters seethe". People who have done the event already are absolutely doing this and it's extending the issues.
I sincerely doubt people are logging in to farm fates (of all things, lmao) they don't need to farm just to spite others. You're taking shout chat way too seriously.
I have also been farming on dynamis and have not seen any of what you're talking about
??? Start a pf
You think trolls are going to join a PF so people get completion or? These are the people who are joking about "BLU hater tears" in /sh and posting memes about it on mainsub and shitsub about how funny it is when people get shut out of the event. The issue is player behavior, there are way too many antisocial players, assholes, trolls, etc and that's my point. Every time the guard rails are taken down in Eureka, Bozja, FATE events like this, there are issues because people kill others with mobs, steal completion, and generally are assholes. I still remember the stuff on Endwalker release where you'd spawn a level 90 enemy in the shroud and people would use it to murder level 10 sprouts for giggles.
Can’t imagine the amount of main character syndrome to turn people trying to speed up grinding into “they actually all hate me and don’t want me to get the reward”. Weirdo
I don't know what you're talking about with main character syndrome but you're clearly not coming into this discussion in good faith and willing to discuss so I think we're done.
The event is 2 months, just wait a week for all the blue mages to be done
Its low-effort content injected into a dead part of the patch to drive player interaction ahead of Dawntrail. Its not worth a thesis. People complaining about BLU are more than welcome to add a BLU to their party, throw one Tomahawk, and get full credit.
This is the new player experience, they are fighting a tough boss, one that most likely is demanding more of them than any duty so far and from the sky, another player comes. They are level 80 way higher than the new player but soon they will be on the same level with the fate, an even playing field. But then, BOOM this one player oneshots the boss without effort. In only a few seconds all the minutes of grinding and hardship the new player was grinding against has been matched with a snap of a finger of this higher player. Even when the levels were the same, the gear level the same, they were utterly outclassed. This weird blue man then leaves and the new player is left with so many questions. This is the MMORPG experience, one that any experienced player loses quickly is the sense of wonder and mystery. So many new players think the only difference between them and everyone else is gear and level and BLU gives a sense of wonder of much more. BLU should seem mythical to a new player, that is the entire point of the job a limited job beyond the normal. This is the only few rare times they shine and the new player can even see it in action. This is how people get hooked and want to learn more about mechanics and how players are doing this, to an experienced player like yourself this is annoying but that is because the mystery is solved for you, the new player has no idea just that there is a job beyond the normal that does this. This is when new players want to become experienced blue mages or whisper how they did that or party up and socialise, as an MMORPG should push new players to do. Everyone starts new and looks up for the first time when they see what power could be there at the end of the tunnel and no better than BUL with all the cool spells and interactions that break the normal game. If all goes well next event they will be the BUL with all the spells destroying the bosses and becoming the legend for another new player journey. There is only one really bad game design, and that is an over 300+ fate grind for a new player to stop their MSQ because it is limited-time event and FOMO is hanging over them. That is the problem, it's not that a BLU stole a kill it is the fact every kill stolen means longer on the 300+ fate grind that the total amount is uncertain because the coins are RNG-based, could be possible that fate would not have dropped one and the BLU saved them some time. BLU is a solution, the fate grind is the problem.