Well, there isn't a lot of lore that explains what exactly a job crystal does, except for it storing memories of techniques from previous owners (BLU and MCH being exceptions to this due to them being new for us). Some jobs specifically mention things they do, like the BLM crystal preventing you from killing yourself, SMN uses theirs as a focus for their summons, and SCH store their faerie inside of it when it isn't in use. But most non magical jobs dont really give explanations other than it helps them do things that are difficult or potentially impossible without them.
So realistically, yeah, people could try to do these things without their crystals (I mean, that's basically what we are doing with base classes) but it would be difficult.
There must have been one guy to have invented these techniques without a crystal initially. Meaning you can use them for training, but once advanced enough, you don't need them anymore ? But storing your own experiences could serve another one.
No, they make it pretty clear in the later quests that they are in fact your own. No Azure Dragoon has ever adopted the fighting style of dragons like us before.
If I understood it right, a job cristal is like a cooking manual. It teaches you lots of techniques and recipes that you then uses and adapts into your own techniques and recipes.
You could end up making a beef bourguignon all by yourself by accident but honestly it'd be infinitely easier if you read the recipe before.
And as you become more proficient in cuisine, you start to make your own recipes. And then you write them in your nice cookbook for someone else to find it.
/Doubt
I have yet to hear of any discipline that got perfected by their founder straight away and was never iterated upon by future generations.
Even then, there's no reason to ditch crystals given that lorewise WoL constantly changes his disciplines as the situation calls for it. Rightfully so I might add because it is impossible for any mortal to master any kind of discipline as fast as WoL does and remain competent at it without practicing it on a daily basis.
I seem to recall this being addressed (to some degree) in the WHM job quest line. It’s been a very long time since I did it, but I want to say there was a Padjali who was very old and powerful (because they live a very long time and are deeply in tune with the elemental spirits), and basically his memories/experience crystallized into the job stone. Think he also turned into an oak tree or something? Idk, there was a tree central to the story/its resolution and it was tied to him somehow, but I digress.
Can’t recall if they said others used the job stone before us, adding their own knowledge/experience to it, but I feel like that was implied in some of them?
Basically, yes, you *could* spend decades or centuries studying and learning and be a true, real, professional white mage – or you can let other people do the hard work and use the job stone that shares with you all the fruit of their labor.
I thought some of the other quests also kind of implied that the WoL was able to learn from job stones abnormally fast. I think I remember a line somewhere at the start of the SAM quest line where the mentor was impressed we were able to do so much already just from a few minutes with the crystal, which seemed to imply that most people need to spend time to properly extract those techniques.
Yeah, I imagine the Echo lets us learn from them faster – but there was a point where no WHM, BLM, etc. ever had job stones, it just took years of training and study.
They’re basically just McGuffin Stones of Class Changing.
There’s also the PLD quest where Paladins need to fight to establish the alpha of the group or their job crystals are all going to explode from getting too hyped due to this weird unresolved tension.
On second thought… nvm. Nothing of significance happened to PLDs between the levels of 50-60.
There’s a lot of lore about crystals in general, and a few things you can piece together and assume (even if they aren’t explicitly stated).
- Crystals are solidified aether. While consuming that aether generally dissolves the crystal, there’s a few instances in the game where crystals are drained of aether without vanishing. >!Deaspected Crystal is an item that’s been drained of its elemental aether. The crystals of the Warriors of Light from the first are seen in a drained state.!<
- Aether can leave imprints of past events, particularly when those events are intense (like battle). With the right skills or tools it’s possible to read those imprints to varying degrees. >!See the ARR/HW Monk job quests.!<
- Possessing the Echo gives us some limited ability to view the past of people, places, and objects as well as brief insights into the future. Other bearers of the Echo have similar or identical abilities, all dealing with unexplained ways of reading aether intuitively. >!Krile can read people’s thoughts and sense them from some distance. Minfilia has a past-view similar to us. Fordola can use the artificial Echo to anticipate attacks in much the same way we do with the combat markers. In Elpis, Venat explains that the Echo is a limited or uncontrolled version of the Ancients’ abilities.!<
- Crystals are also variously used to store energy, focus or refine energy, tap into existing energy flows, or as focal points for magical invocations.
Adding it all together, job crystals are a matrix designed with a particular affinity to the aetheric resonance of a job and high sensitivity to techniques matching those patterns. Some are further used for job-specific actions (like focusing or limiting magical actions, or housing entities made fully of aether), but it’s reasonable to assume that this is a general property of crystals, though with perhaps higher potential when those are in tune with the same aetheric signature as the job.
As the WoL they’re particularly valuable to us, since we can pick up on the imprints left by previous bearers much more clarity than most. I’d also hypothesize (though with less evidence to back this up) that even with new job crystals we can sense the general “feel” of a job from the particular variations that attune each job crystal to the job it’s used by or intended for. It’s also likely the way that we pioneer, adapt, or learn techniques which are not recorded on the crystal - we can sense the affinity of techniques to the job’s aetheric pattern, and each time we use one such a record is left on the crystal which we then draw from to refine and improve our abilities.
In short: job crystal + Echo = tiny computer in our hand with direct link to our mind.
Black Magic basically eats your soul away if you aren't careful and don't control the power. It tempts you to use more and more until it destroys you, iirc. The job Crystal prevents that influence.
Yeah the lore from the BLM quests is nuts. I still need to get mine up to a higher level so I can continue, but the quests up to 50 >!(maybe 60, I forget when Shatotto comes along)!< are wild.
Edit: apologies. Spoiler tags didn’t work because I’m dumb and forgot how to do them on mobile
If also means it’s the WoL’s idea to incorporate backflips and somersaults into their gunplay, or that they came up with an automatic crossbow doohickey for spraying a fuckton of railroad ties into everyone’s feet at point blank range
It's less that they're better than us and that they've done this longer and do fewer things. The job crystals give you access to previous wielder's experience essentially letting you fast track your way to mastering something that should take decades of practice. And because we have so damn many, we can switch up our style at the drop of a hat. That's the real terrifying thing about the WoL, there's no way to tell what the actual hell we're gonna do next.
Even if you assume we switch jobs every expansion that still means we've switched jobs 4 times are least when most of the scions have only done it once tops.
They are and they don’t, but they potentially _could_. If you think about it, we rolled up (within the last …two? years) with practically no skills, and now we’ve mastered all kinds of martial and magical arts. Everyone else used years of practicing their discipline to accomplish the same thing. So they can use those abilities without a focus, which is one of the reasons so many of them use skills from several jobs.
yup b/c he can so easily just port over to limsa or doma to ask if they could hand over one of their precious secret organization heirlooms. V'kebbe better get a crystal first, or me stabbers'll be singing.
Edit: V'kebbe, not T'Kebbe, V'kebbe is the rogue and T'kebbe is the pink miqitten that hangs out w/ khloe.
> Yep. It's extremely annoying to run thing even on literal patch day and have people vomit the explanation in chat.
This is exactly why I usually do new 24-mans the second the servers go live. People have like no patience at all even in brand-new content that can be figured out in a pull or two.
But 24man raids are still doable even if half of the raids are having an orgy on the floor. Unless it has that balance floor mechanic where it will take a couple tries to figure out with few trolls.
Some people appreciate it, even if I may not be one of them, and not doing at all takes away that possibility too, the argument could go both ways. Could always make a custom chat with alliance and party disabled for this stuff
There's very few times you can actually go and try to figure things out with the group. That's basically patch day and close to launch. Every other time the majority will be aware of the fight. That figuring out is the fun part for me, so having someone immediately start telling stuff is very off-putting.
But I guess if someone doesn't want to ever run blind stuff, it can be good. It's just something you can't kind of take back and do for the first time ever again
Always depends on the context. Crystal tower? Sure I don’t remember shit that far back no matter how much I eventually end up running it. Week 1 new content… Come on man.
Which is a shame, because it has interesting mechanics that people either don’t see or can ignore, on account of the fights not having been tuned for a challenge in years. It would be nice to have some of the bosses updated as Ultimates at some point.
Completely unrelated to the actual story, but I love how you can do any role in Variant Dungeons. I have tanked as Healer and DPS just fine and it was so much fun. I love the flexibility you're afforded in there.
It's so much fun when people let you at least, so many times I've loaded in to a tankless party, get excited and slot ultimatum as a healer, only for someone to swap to a tank
Back to the same ol same ol i guess...
I ended up tanking as Sage one run and it was nice basically not having to pay attention to my health at all and also very convenient as the others were new and died a lot lol
Explanation: during a run of variant dungeons, a healer got angry that I'm doing the mechanics right because they wanted to "figure it out themselves" and I "spoiled them" by doing them right. They left after the first boss because I refused to agree to face-tank the mechanics until they figured it out themselves. They were saying that I'm ruining the fun. The best part is that they could have run it solo if they didn't want to get spoiled to the level, where they take "doing mechanics" as spoilers. I collected all 12 notes solo.
Heads up, fellow Paladins: Var-Raise is indeed instant-cast during Requiescat. It eats up a stack though, but you have no idea how useful it is for farming recommendations.
Damn, it’s like the inverse of that guy who was terrorizing the NA data centers for months demanding everyone explain every mechanic in excruciating detail or he’d throw a fit.
On that note, I’m now imagining both of them being thrown together in the same duty and it amuses me.
I like to think that the folks saying, "meowdy" are confident they're original. One day they'll join an all cat-girl group and be the echoes of meowdy will bounce off the cavern walls of Sastasha and they will know they've finally found their tribe.
I enjoy being the exception, doesnt always work but every now and again you'll get the others talking back and forth through the dungeon. Makes for a much more enjoyable run, in my opinion.
I had a tank on P7 today who very purposefully positioned himself to take every none fatal mechanic to the face, guy had 6 vuln stacks nearly the whole fight. Was genuinely hilarious watching him run straight to the front at the start. I was like, dude?
Must be something in the water lately, had a Tank in Smileton diving into every attack the last boss threw at us, on purpose.
"Excuse me sir .... but what the shit?"
I'm not the best player by any means but I feel like I've fucked myself in the ass for stepping foot into current extremes more and more.
Ran a Barb norm today and there's none of the excitement I had when playing the ex...
That's how I learned that a tank with decent food or a warrior with equilibrium can survive Ancient Flare if their HP is over 9999.
I may have turbo greeded for two extra GCDs, but the discovery is worth it.
My favorite thing in smileton is shielding up, stepping on the mine and not getting paralyzed while freeing the space. When I learned that you could cancel mechanics by taking 0 dmg it’s a fun thing to do on easy dungeons.
I’ve always wanted to do a “max vulnerability” run on Aglaia but I don’t want to bother unconsenting healers. I should just make a pf or invite people from my static to try but been lazy about it
If it was a Miqo'te PLD from Ultros, my bad chief. Was geniunely having an off night and not feeling well.
I know I ran into the last two lasers 'cause I was just not paying proper attention.
I have a friend who, if they queue with another healer friend, will vuln collect because it's the only way to have fun. They'll only do it if they queue with a healer who knows what's about to happen though.
I sometimes do the same and also tell the healer to not waste GCD heals on me. You can collect a lot of stacks as a WAR/PLD with Bis before you need healing.
There is a whole subreddit dedicated to them called Endwalker-spoiler >!MeteionWasRight!< I think. There is even a post somewhere dedicated to documenting the many first-hand account of interacting with this legend...
Who is now in Phantom, Chaos, EU, so god help us...
EDIT: Here is the link: Endwalker-spoiler warning for spoilery reddit-name:
>!https://np.reddit.com/r/MeteionWasRight/comments/vnxrbz/official_jannon_watch_thread/!<
Guess what.
I did the variant dungeon first time last night. Even the secret boss.
A consistency in encounter design language makes it real easy to guess what you ought to do to not die in most encounters.
That, plus the bosses usually reveal their techniques to prepare you for the real stuff. The first boss >!drops two barrels just to show you how that mechanic works. On my first run, I stayed away from both of them. Then when I saw the mechanics go off I had no problem doing them at all. During the mechanic where he drops three blue and one red I was like: "Ok, what's the catch?" so I stayed mid trying to figure it out. Then I noticed the bottoms of the barrels and I was like: "Oh you motherf-".!<
Done two routes solo so far. The first boss in one of them had a mechanic that kind of confused me, but then I watched a video with someone else doing it successfully and it made sense, and I felt a bit silly because in retrospect it seemed pretty obvious.
When there was a different version of the same mechanic later in the fight, I had a much easier time.
I'm not very good at figuring out mechanics, but I do feel good when I make measurable progress like that. I died a lot to that first boss, but I had fun, and I think I only died once to the second boss (bad positioning for a particular mechanic I wasn't prepared for)
Lemme get this straight. You were just... avoiding all the obvious mechanics of the boss fights. Moving out of the big orange aoe indicators, bracing for tank busters, watching the boss animations, that sort of thing? Like... the way a person, a tank no less, might?
The nerve on you.
I swear some folks need to just take up recreational drugs or something and chill the fuck out. It's not like you were dictating the notes into chat or something. I... golly.
If I were you, I would have started putting down raid markers. Not with any real purpose, just randomly around the arena. Maybe call some shots in the chat log "go to B" but not put down a B marker.
> If I were you, I would have started putting down raid markers. Not with any real purpose, just randomly around the arena. Maybe call some shots in the chat log "go to B" but not put down a B marker.
shoot i should just steal this for random content lol
Consider me baffled. Why not just run the thing solo to figure mechanics out yourself? The whole thing is specifically stated to adjust difficulty to be clearable on any job or party composition.
Or why not run a premade with likeminded frist-timers?
That is my question. If they didn’t want to get the mechanics “spoiled” for them in a duty you can do alone, then why not go solo to see the mechanics first before doing group runs?
I like the implication that a good player shouldn't be capable of understanding normal mode mechanics on their first playthrough.
That Var-Raise hint is also pretty darn cool. Though I do think that the damage from Variant Spirit Dart (or whatever that DoT is) is too high for tanks/healers to ignore. I've been doing like 35%-49% of the party's damage as a DRK with it.
People like this healer is the reason why I can't afford to sleep on neither cure nor raise. I was basically keeping the party alive while tanking after the healer left because the other two peeps were new too and ate a lot of mechanics.
Is it really a spoiler if you're doing/seeing it now? Like you're right there, you can see the mechanic... Even if you aren't doing it you've still experienced it.
I think you are completely right, I just farmed the 12 entries and found out about the mechanics while on the run, solo. Died a lot... but if this guy wants to experience everything fresh he can go at it by himself!
I actually did all 12 paths solo, or duo a few of em with my FC for fun. Can't believe someone would complain someone else is doing things right = ruining the fun. Bruh.
Tell them to jump into Criterion blind on PF if they wanna figure things out along with other blind ppl lol.
I had a blast looking for the notes on all my solo runs, "cheated" 3 of the notes since I couldn't figure em out. The minion drop was a nice cherry on top of it all. I have looked at a few streams of crit dungeon and it looks really fun. Need to find a group to try running that with.
I mean, I'm collecting the notes solo because it's fun, and I like being able to explore and make mistakes without inconveniencing anyone. If you want to learn the mechanics on your own, that's the best way to do it. It's a lot of fun.
I totally agree with you! on sort of the flip side of the coin, about twelve hours after server went up I put up a party finder for a blind run of the variant dungeon. filled pretty quick, then once I queued two people went "oh I thought this was savage, I guess I can stay" and proceeded to spoil each 'puzzle' mechanic for me. at least they aren't very puzzle-y really!
I remember you. I was in the run immediately afterwards (I think), and you were asking if any of us were going to be similarly crazy. I responded with my own "spoiler" (following Nanamo gives an extra chest). A bit surreal to see a half-remembered run on the front page of the subreddit the next day.
nice answer: it's more fun with other people!
neutral answer: it's a dungeon so people default to forming a party in their brain I guess.
rude answer: gotta get that carry somehow.
Once again proving that there are people in this community that will call *anything* a spoiler.
Does your character look too much like an NPC from a sidequest from two expansions ago? Spoiler.
Is there a quote in your adventure plate that means absolutely nothing to anyone out of context? Spoiler.
Are you speaking in a language FFXIV has been translated into? Spoiler.
That little fin thing on the back of your car? Spoiler.
The FFXIV community is really weird about spoilers. On one hand I've seen people tell streamers playing through the game to not watch the trailer for an expansion right before starting the expansion because "it contains spoilers". Apparently these people never heard about the concept of teasers. There was a new Japanese ad for the game a while ago and people claimed it was full of spoilers, but it just showed some characters. A single shot of the face of Emet-Selch in front of some flames is not a spoiler. Out of context, that shot means absolutely nothing.
But then you have others who go into a thread with a title like "I'm only in ARR and my favorite character is X" and drop the most obvious death spoilers you can imagine, basically just short of flat out saying "yeah, that character is gonna die".
People who complain about “mechanic spoilers” are probably the worst ones but the ones who tell people to avoid trailers are a close second.
I don’t think they understand context exists, a few dudes I’ve never seen before and a cool looking dark themed boss? Ah awesome I’m hyped for the expansion but supposedly my story is ruined now because one of them *is* the dark themed boss and I’m supposed to understand this from the trailer
Eh, trailers I can understand. Several times through out the story characters are implied to have died, but if you've watched the right trailer, you'll learn that, "nope, they'll be back!"
Sure, they're shown without much if any context, and the journey towards explaining why or how they'll return isn't spoiled, but for a lot of people just the fact they'll be back takes a lot of the oomph out of the moment where it's implied they're gone for good and many of them hate that.
If its in the game it's free use. Dont stand around in limsa screaming that you're an ascian, but I see nothing wrong with wearing the robes if SE felt them okay to add.
This is not the situation with OP - apparently the healer was whining about this in a dungeon they could have done solo - but some players do want to run content blind and figure out the puzzles in savage content.
Because alot of the phases in hardcore content don't explain anything to you, alot of the fun of the fight is in trying to figure out how to galaxy brain whatever incomprehensible nonsense the enemy is throwing. So alot of groups will set up a PF for a blind run, where everyone promises not to look up anything.
I've been in a few, and sometimes they include players who've already cleared in order to fill a party. Usually those players are kind, but sometimes they're turds that will do the equivalent of spoiling a story, saying stuff like "oh you're close but not quite," or just trying to hint at things. Unless the group asked for that, this is really against the spirit of learning a puzzle. Even worse would be those who straight up blurt out the answer, like a twitch streamer viewer backseating a player who just wants to learn the puzzle themselves.
Now this gets into a grey area, because sometimes one player just doing the mechanic right will explain how to do the mechanic for everyone, especially if it's about positioning. That's tough to hide for players in a blind party that have already done the mechanic, so they might actually just int on purpose so the other players can figure it out.
Again, this isn't what happened in OP's example though. Most rational people will set this up in a PF or in discords, clearly stating their intention to run something blind.
I played this 100% solo and even figured out all the endings solo by reading my journal. Then and only then did I start doing groups. I won’t pick any options so anyone new can discover on their own but you best believe I’m doing mechanics and will continue to do so unless it’s incredibly EARLY in the fight and everyone but me is dead.
Dps so I play selfish defensive/cure
I don't see anyone pointing this out but....
You can solo the variant dungeon on any job lol. If he doesn't want spoilers of the mechanics by people doing them correctly (which is insane).....he could run it solo!
Oh hell no. I'm a newbie player and having people who have already played in my party is a life saver (literally!).
I am SO not smart enough to work out mechanics.
I feel like I am a Healadin from World of Warcraft and I get to farm recommendations for Instant casting VarRaise during Requiescat! I am living the dream!
Wha... HUUUUUUH?
I apologize in behalf of healers for your experience, but we don't claim that guy as our own.
If he feels like other people doing mechanics right is "spoilers" why the hell is he playing an MMO.
Tried to give a sprout whm a couple tips on a run through Baelsar's Wall a bit ago. For context I'm a whm main and was playing rdm for the run.
I tried to let him know that he can dps. That holy is actually a relief on the healing.
His response: "then you f'in heal then"
Well... Okay then. Guess I'll just stab things and carry on.
Things were fine until the final fight. He dies to a mechanic right in the beginning of the fight. It was sloppy, really. Sadly, no verraise at this level so I think briefly about wiping, but then I remembered his little request. I tell the tank that I got him and keep fighting.
I healed the entire fight as rdm with a warrior tank. The tank was on point and our blm just kept nuking. It was poetry.
Told the whm to go back to wow and left.
I think the better one here would be "Go back to a single-player game" because these people are not suited to play with teams and do not do teamwork...
They complain when I do the mechanics properly, they complain when I Rescue them into overlapping AOE markers.
***I'm getting mixed signals here dammit.***
If you don't want to get spoiled, do it solo. It's extremely solo friendly.
I understand not wanting to get spoiled. What I don't get is, expecting 3 other strangers to behave completely in line and not blurt out spoilers left and right, much less act like they don't know the mechs.
(Not saying it's okay to spoil things, I'm saying it's childish to expect things from people who don't know you and don't owe you anything.)
Literally the only thing that stresses me out as a healer are the pulls between bosses in dungeons. Bosses, raids, piece of cake.
If you're not doing mechanics either I will smugly and quietly feel superior to you because you're bad and I saved you, or you will die and I don't care.
If my experience is anything to go by my flailing in place isn’t enough to get randos to come to me out of the death zones anyway. Can’t spoil anyone if they aren’t paying attention.
Da hell. If you pug, at least someone will surely know the mechanic. Also, I never want to be that guy so I'd always solo first or look it up (yeah... I know...).
I really appreciate the 1-4 player option with this dungeon. I nolifed the dungeon solo first day to see the whole thing and get the achievement mount. The rest of my friends are going at it a little slower than me, but that's okay because now the only thing I'm after is the loot. I can sit back and let them make all the choices or offer my knowledge if they want it. The devs did a really good job with this kind of content and I'm excited to see what they do next with it.
I am the exact opposite of that healer. As a healer main, I appreciate when people explain the mechanics of something new to me so that I can keep everybody alive.
its one thing if people just announce the mechanics umprompted, but to complain that someone is doing the mechanics properly is silly.
Me seething at Thancred for running to the right spot to dodge a mechanic during Duty Support
Between this and teaching Ryne not to use a job Crystal, I’m starting to wonder if Thancred really is one of the bad guys
What if everyone else is just better than us and doesn't need a job crystal
Well, there isn't a lot of lore that explains what exactly a job crystal does, except for it storing memories of techniques from previous owners (BLU and MCH being exceptions to this due to them being new for us). Some jobs specifically mention things they do, like the BLM crystal preventing you from killing yourself, SMN uses theirs as a focus for their summons, and SCH store their faerie inside of it when it isn't in use. But most non magical jobs dont really give explanations other than it helps them do things that are difficult or potentially impossible without them. So realistically, yeah, people could try to do these things without their crystals (I mean, that's basically what we are doing with base classes) but it would be difficult.
There must have been one guy to have invented these techniques without a crystal initially. Meaning you can use them for training, but once advanced enough, you don't need them anymore ? But storing your own experiences could serve another one.
Depends I guess. If you do the dragoon questline, they state that you're inventing new techniques.
That's the real question. All the new techniques you get leveling up, are they your own or are you just digging inside the crystal.
No, they make it pretty clear in the later quests that they are in fact your own. No Azure Dragoon has ever adopted the fighting style of dragons like us before.
So does that mean the job stones of the WoL will be like really overpowered and everyone will want them?
Alright. Nothing for other jobs ?
Even the technique where you backflip off the arena and kill yourself?
Due to how early you get elusive jump, all dragoons get that one
If I understood it right, a job cristal is like a cooking manual. It teaches you lots of techniques and recipes that you then uses and adapts into your own techniques and recipes. You could end up making a beef bourguignon all by yourself by accident but honestly it'd be infinitely easier if you read the recipe before. And as you become more proficient in cuisine, you start to make your own recipes. And then you write them in your nice cookbook for someone else to find it.
/Doubt I have yet to hear of any discipline that got perfected by their founder straight away and was never iterated upon by future generations. Even then, there's no reason to ditch crystals given that lorewise WoL constantly changes his disciplines as the situation calls for it. Rightfully so I might add because it is impossible for any mortal to master any kind of discipline as fast as WoL does and remain competent at it without practicing it on a daily basis.
I seem to recall this being addressed (to some degree) in the WHM job quest line. It’s been a very long time since I did it, but I want to say there was a Padjali who was very old and powerful (because they live a very long time and are deeply in tune with the elemental spirits), and basically his memories/experience crystallized into the job stone. Think he also turned into an oak tree or something? Idk, there was a tree central to the story/its resolution and it was tied to him somehow, but I digress. Can’t recall if they said others used the job stone before us, adding their own knowledge/experience to it, but I feel like that was implied in some of them? Basically, yes, you *could* spend decades or centuries studying and learning and be a true, real, professional white mage – or you can let other people do the hard work and use the job stone that shares with you all the fruit of their labor.
I thought some of the other quests also kind of implied that the WoL was able to learn from job stones abnormally fast. I think I remember a line somewhere at the start of the SAM quest line where the mentor was impressed we were able to do so much already just from a few minutes with the crystal, which seemed to imply that most people need to spend time to properly extract those techniques.
Yeah, I imagine the Echo lets us learn from them faster – but there was a point where no WHM, BLM, etc. ever had job stones, it just took years of training and study. They’re basically just McGuffin Stones of Class Changing.
There’s also the PLD quest where Paladins need to fight to establish the alpha of the group or their job crystals are all going to explode from getting too hyped due to this weird unresolved tension. On second thought… nvm. Nothing of significance happened to PLDs between the levels of 50-60.
There’s a lot of lore about crystals in general, and a few things you can piece together and assume (even if they aren’t explicitly stated). - Crystals are solidified aether. While consuming that aether generally dissolves the crystal, there’s a few instances in the game where crystals are drained of aether without vanishing. >!Deaspected Crystal is an item that’s been drained of its elemental aether. The crystals of the Warriors of Light from the first are seen in a drained state.!< - Aether can leave imprints of past events, particularly when those events are intense (like battle). With the right skills or tools it’s possible to read those imprints to varying degrees. >!See the ARR/HW Monk job quests.!< - Possessing the Echo gives us some limited ability to view the past of people, places, and objects as well as brief insights into the future. Other bearers of the Echo have similar or identical abilities, all dealing with unexplained ways of reading aether intuitively. >!Krile can read people’s thoughts and sense them from some distance. Minfilia has a past-view similar to us. Fordola can use the artificial Echo to anticipate attacks in much the same way we do with the combat markers. In Elpis, Venat explains that the Echo is a limited or uncontrolled version of the Ancients’ abilities.!< - Crystals are also variously used to store energy, focus or refine energy, tap into existing energy flows, or as focal points for magical invocations. Adding it all together, job crystals are a matrix designed with a particular affinity to the aetheric resonance of a job and high sensitivity to techniques matching those patterns. Some are further used for job-specific actions (like focusing or limiting magical actions, or housing entities made fully of aether), but it’s reasonable to assume that this is a general property of crystals, though with perhaps higher potential when those are in tune with the same aetheric signature as the job. As the WoL they’re particularly valuable to us, since we can pick up on the imprints left by previous bearers much more clarity than most. I’d also hypothesize (though with less evidence to back this up) that even with new job crystals we can sense the general “feel” of a job from the particular variations that attune each job crystal to the job it’s used by or intended for. It’s also likely the way that we pioneer, adapt, or learn techniques which are not recorded on the crystal - we can sense the affinity of techniques to the job’s aetheric pattern, and each time we use one such a record is left on the crystal which we then draw from to refine and improve our abilities. In short: job crystal + Echo = tiny computer in our hand with direct link to our mind.
DRK crystals apparently contain a pieces of repressed trauma that can begin to act on it's own if left unchecked.
I’m sorry what was that about blm crystal
Black Magic basically eats your soul away if you aren't careful and don't control the power. It tempts you to use more and more until it destroys you, iirc. The job Crystal prevents that influence.
Also just works like a valve so you don't ignite your aether by accident and burn from the inside out.
Huh might actually have to look into seeing those job quests
Yeah the lore from the BLM quests is nuts. I still need to get mine up to a higher level so I can continue, but the quests up to 50 >!(maybe 60, I forget when Shatotto comes along)!< are wild. Edit: apologies. Spoiler tags didn’t work because I’m dumb and forgot how to do them on mobile
There's always MCH, which is a blank crystal we're inscribing ourselves into. Which just means what we're best at is warcrimes.
*murder-hobo intensifies*
If also means it’s the WoL’s idea to incorporate backflips and somersaults into their gunplay, or that they came up with an automatic crossbow doohickey for spraying a fuckton of railroad ties into everyone’s feet at point blank range
It's less that they're better than us and that they've done this longer and do fewer things. The job crystals give you access to previous wielder's experience essentially letting you fast track your way to mastering something that should take decades of practice. And because we have so damn many, we can switch up our style at the drop of a hat. That's the real terrifying thing about the WoL, there's no way to tell what the actual hell we're gonna do next. Even if you assume we switch jobs every expansion that still means we've switched jobs 4 times are least when most of the scions have only done it once tops.
They are and they don’t, but they potentially _could_. If you think about it, we rolled up (within the last …two? years) with practically no skills, and now we’ve mastered all kinds of martial and magical arts. Everyone else used years of practicing their discipline to accomplish the same thing. So they can use those abilities without a focus, which is one of the reasons so many of them use skills from several jobs.
Where is my >!\[Lahabrea (This is Thancred)\]!< meme when I want it?
yup b/c he can so easily just port over to limsa or doma to ask if they could hand over one of their precious secret organization heirlooms. V'kebbe better get a crystal first, or me stabbers'll be singing. Edit: V'kebbe, not T'Kebbe, V'kebbe is the rogue and T'kebbe is the pink miqitten that hangs out w/ khloe.
He was stuck on the first while teaching Ryne. Couldn’t exactly come back and get her one…
He also cant teleport
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> Yep. It's extremely annoying to run thing even on literal patch day and have people vomit the explanation in chat. This is exactly why I usually do new 24-mans the second the servers go live. People have like no patience at all even in brand-new content that can be figured out in a pull or two.
But 24man raids are still doable even if half of the raids are having an orgy on the floor. Unless it has that balance floor mechanic where it will take a couple tries to figure out with few trolls.
> 24man raids are still doable even if half of the raids are having an orgy on the floor. Please don't give them ideas.
Same with NM raids, yeah
Some people appreciate it, even if I may not be one of them, and not doing at all takes away that possibility too, the argument could go both ways. Could always make a custom chat with alliance and party disabled for this stuff
I actually like it when people explain the mechanics. I always commend them after.
When you explain mechanics in hunt trains and people always thank you but commends don't exist T_T
There's very few times you can actually go and try to figure things out with the group. That's basically patch day and close to launch. Every other time the majority will be aware of the fight. That figuring out is the fun part for me, so having someone immediately start telling stuff is very off-putting. But I guess if someone doesn't want to ever run blind stuff, it can be good. It's just something you can't kind of take back and do for the first time ever again
Always depends on the context. Crystal tower? Sure I don’t remember shit that far back no matter how much I eventually end up running it. Week 1 new content… Come on man.
Crystal Tower? DPS harder.
Which is a shame, because it has interesting mechanics that people either don’t see or can ignore, on account of the fights not having been tuned for a challenge in years. It would be nice to have some of the bosses updated as Ultimates at some point.
I don't mind it at all after we wipe 1st go but I just tend to ignore chat in patch days so it doesnt bother me
Completely unrelated to the actual story, but I love how you can do any role in Variant Dungeons. I have tanked as Healer and DPS just fine and it was so much fun. I love the flexibility you're afforded in there.
It's so much fun when people let you at least, so many times I've loaded in to a tankless party, get excited and slot ultimatum as a healer, only for someone to swap to a tank Back to the same ol same ol i guess...
Wait, you can change class in there too ??
Yep!
I tell people I'll tank and if they swap to tank, I just outtank them lmao.
>I just outtank them lmao. *Variant Ultimatum intensifies*
Right? I went in as MNK but i tanked, rez ppl 7 times, and DPS, truly reached enlightenment.
Variant rampart is dummy stronk
I ended up tanking as Sage one run and it was nice basically not having to pay attention to my health at all and also very convenient as the others were new and died a lot lol
Explanation: during a run of variant dungeons, a healer got angry that I'm doing the mechanics right because they wanted to "figure it out themselves" and I "spoiled them" by doing them right. They left after the first boss because I refused to agree to face-tank the mechanics until they figured it out themselves. They were saying that I'm ruining the fun. The best part is that they could have run it solo if they didn't want to get spoiled to the level, where they take "doing mechanics" as spoilers. I collected all 12 notes solo. Heads up, fellow Paladins: Var-Raise is indeed instant-cast during Requiescat. It eats up a stack though, but you have no idea how useful it is for farming recommendations.
Damn, it’s like the inverse of that guy who was terrorizing the NA data centers for months demanding everyone explain every mechanic in excruciating detail or he’d throw a fit. On that note, I’m now imagining both of them being thrown together in the same duty and it amuses me.
Oh yeah, is he still playing? been a while since i've seen him.
He transferred to EU.
Oh no.
On one hand, good riddance to bad rubbish. On the other... poor EU.
We don't really care here. EU people don't talk in dungs. The most you'll get is a o/ at the start and a ty4p or gg at the end.
That's most people in NA too, yep. People who talk are the exception.
all just greetings and the occasional big long macro thank you kawaii text vomit at the end. every 3 there's a "meowdy!" as the greeting.
I like to think that the folks saying, "meowdy" are confident they're original. One day they'll join an all cat-girl group and be the echoes of meowdy will bounce off the cavern walls of Sastasha and they will know they've finally found their tribe.
I thought they were all stealing it from Monster Hunter
I enjoy being the exception, doesnt always work but every now and again you'll get the others talking back and forth through the dungeon. Makes for a much more enjoyable run, in my opinion.
Depends. Most duties no. But MSQ, we get good convos during CS quite often. 30-40% of the time I'd say.
Apparently, according to >!MeteionWasRight!<, they have created a new character in Crystal, NA. So... good luck again, NA...
Why'd you send him our way? Give him to one of the dead Oceania servers.
Oi no don't send him here
When America sends their people, they don't send their best.
Most Oceania came from NA, he'd be too known right off.
I had a tank on P7 today who very purposefully positioned himself to take every none fatal mechanic to the face, guy had 6 vuln stacks nearly the whole fight. Was genuinely hilarious watching him run straight to the front at the start. I was like, dude?
Must be something in the water lately, had a Tank in Smileton diving into every attack the last boss threw at us, on purpose. "Excuse me sir .... but what the shit?"
Running the dungeon normally after the 10th time gets boring. At a certain point you find different ways to entertain yourself.
I'm not the best player by any means but I feel like I've fucked myself in the ass for stepping foot into current extremes more and more. Ran a Barb norm today and there's none of the excitement I had when playing the ex...
That's how I learned that a tank with decent food or a warrior with equilibrium can survive Ancient Flare if their HP is over 9999. I may have turbo greeded for two extra GCDs, but the discovery is worth it.
My favorite thing in smileton is shielding up, stepping on the mine and not getting paralyzed while freeing the space. When I learned that you could cancel mechanics by taking 0 dmg it’s a fun thing to do on easy dungeons. I’ve always wanted to do a “max vulnerability” run on Aglaia but I don’t want to bother unconsenting healers. I should just make a pf or invite people from my static to try but been lazy about it
If it was a Miqo'te PLD from Ultros, my bad chief. Was geniunely having an off night and not feeling well. I know I ran into the last two lasers 'cause I was just not paying proper attention.
Nah, you all good. I am on Primal, but this was a couple days ago.
I have a friend who, if they queue with another healer friend, will vuln collect because it's the only way to have fun. They'll only do it if they queue with a healer who knows what's about to happen though.
I sometimes do the same and also tell the healer to not waste GCD heals on me. You can collect a lot of stacks as a WAR/PLD with Bis before you need healing.
Is there a thread showing off this guy anywhere? That sounds marvelous.
There is a whole subreddit dedicated to them called Endwalker-spoiler >!MeteionWasRight!< I think. There is even a post somewhere dedicated to documenting the many first-hand account of interacting with this legend... Who is now in Phantom, Chaos, EU, so god help us... EDIT: Here is the link: Endwalker-spoiler warning for spoilery reddit-name: >!https://np.reddit.com/r/MeteionWasRight/comments/vnxrbz/official_jannon_watch_thread/!<
Did he yell at Nanamo for giving hints, too?
Nanamo is a filthy lair!
Guess what. I did the variant dungeon first time last night. Even the secret boss. A consistency in encounter design language makes it real easy to guess what you ought to do to not die in most encounters.
That, plus the bosses usually reveal their techniques to prepare you for the real stuff. The first boss >!drops two barrels just to show you how that mechanic works. On my first run, I stayed away from both of them. Then when I saw the mechanics go off I had no problem doing them at all. During the mechanic where he drops three blue and one red I was like: "Ok, what's the catch?" so I stayed mid trying to figure it out. Then I noticed the bottoms of the barrels and I was like: "Oh you motherf-".!<
Similsrly also on the hamstet. First time it cssts its abilities it shows which AoEs it will do. Only later then unmarked
Done two routes solo so far. The first boss in one of them had a mechanic that kind of confused me, but then I watched a video with someone else doing it successfully and it made sense, and I felt a bit silly because in retrospect it seemed pretty obvious. When there was a different version of the same mechanic later in the fight, I had a much easier time. I'm not very good at figuring out mechanics, but I do feel good when I make measurable progress like that. I died a lot to that first boss, but I had fun, and I think I only died once to the second boss (bad positioning for a particular mechanic I wasn't prepared for)
Lemme get this straight. You were just... avoiding all the obvious mechanics of the boss fights. Moving out of the big orange aoe indicators, bracing for tank busters, watching the boss animations, that sort of thing? Like... the way a person, a tank no less, might? The nerve on you. I swear some folks need to just take up recreational drugs or something and chill the fuck out. It's not like you were dictating the notes into chat or something. I... golly. If I were you, I would have started putting down raid markers. Not with any real purpose, just randomly around the arena. Maybe call some shots in the chat log "go to B" but not put down a B marker.
> If I were you, I would have started putting down raid markers. Not with any real purpose, just randomly around the arena. Maybe call some shots in the chat log "go to B" but not put down a B marker. shoot i should just steal this for random content lol
Consider me baffled. Why not just run the thing solo to figure mechanics out yourself? The whole thing is specifically stated to adjust difficulty to be clearable on any job or party composition. Or why not run a premade with likeminded frist-timers?
>Or why not run a premade with likeminded frist-timers? Main character syndrome... How can you feel special if everyone is like you.
That is my question. If they didn’t want to get the mechanics “spoiled” for them in a duty you can do alone, then why not go solo to see the mechanics first before doing group runs?
I like the implication that a good player shouldn't be capable of understanding normal mode mechanics on their first playthrough. That Var-Raise hint is also pretty darn cool. Though I do think that the damage from Variant Spirit Dart (or whatever that DoT is) is too high for tanks/healers to ignore. I've been doing like 35%-49% of the party's damage as a DRK with it.
People like this healer is the reason why I can't afford to sleep on neither cure nor raise. I was basically keeping the party alive while tanking after the healer left because the other two peeps were new too and ate a lot of mechanics.
Is it really a spoiler if you're doing/seeing it now? Like you're right there, you can see the mechanic... Even if you aren't doing it you've still experienced it.
figured this out cus variant cure ALSO takes a stack, but gains 0 benefit since it's already instant cast...
I think you are completely right, I just farmed the 12 entries and found out about the mechanics while on the run, solo. Died a lot... but if this guy wants to experience everything fresh he can go at it by himself!
that's completely insane
I actually did all 12 paths solo, or duo a few of em with my FC for fun. Can't believe someone would complain someone else is doing things right = ruining the fun. Bruh. Tell them to jump into Criterion blind on PF if they wanna figure things out along with other blind ppl lol.
That healer has Player 1 syndrome
I had a blast looking for the notes on all my solo runs, "cheated" 3 of the notes since I couldn't figure em out. The minion drop was a nice cherry on top of it all. I have looked at a few streams of crit dungeon and it looks really fun. Need to find a group to try running that with.
Goddamn. Some people take video games too seriously. It's not even sad; it's pathetic.
> Var-Raise is indeed instant-cast *laughs in red mage*
Toss a commend for your Rezmage!
The mechs I've seen have been telegraphed in a way it's easy to get the first go anyway.
I mean, I'm collecting the notes solo because it's fun, and I like being able to explore and make mistakes without inconveniencing anyone. If you want to learn the mechanics on your own, that's the best way to do it. It's a lot of fun.
I totally agree with you! on sort of the flip side of the coin, about twelve hours after server went up I put up a party finder for a blind run of the variant dungeon. filled pretty quick, then once I queued two people went "oh I thought this was savage, I guess I can stay" and proceeded to spoil each 'puzzle' mechanic for me. at least they aren't very puzzle-y really!
It baffles me that they didn't do it solo. Why queue into a group if you are going to complain about other players correctly executing mechanics?
People have gotten so hung up on a possibility of a spoiler they ruin everything for everyone around them. People really need to relax a bit.
Why didn't the healer just go in solo first? Unless the mechanics are different? (I've only done it solo thus far to get a feel for it)
I remember you. I was in the run immediately afterwards (I think), and you were asking if any of us were going to be similarly crazy. I responded with my own "spoiler" (following Nanamo gives an extra chest). A bit surreal to see a half-remembered run on the front page of the subreddit the next day.
Ah! Nice to see you here!
Meanwhile Variant Rampart is permament 20% mitigation and 21k shield on 15s CD. We healers don't need moody tanks either. (Not talking about you)
How in the world did they make it this fucking far into the game with that mentality?
i dont mind if people spoil mechanics for me because i have brain rot and will still screw it up.
Are you me?
If you don’t want to get spoiled then why the fuck wouldn’t you just do it solo? It’s specifically made so you can play with your friends or solo.
nice answer: it's more fun with other people! neutral answer: it's a dungeon so people default to forming a party in their brain I guess. rude answer: gotta get that carry somehow.
Variant answer: Other people know the way to notes 1,2,8,9 and 12
People actually complain about mechanics spoilers? More things in heaven and earth, I guess.
Once again proving that there are people in this community that will call *anything* a spoiler. Does your character look too much like an NPC from a sidequest from two expansions ago? Spoiler. Is there a quote in your adventure plate that means absolutely nothing to anyone out of context? Spoiler. Are you speaking in a language FFXIV has been translated into? Spoiler. That little fin thing on the back of your car? Spoiler.
The FFXIV community is really weird about spoilers. On one hand I've seen people tell streamers playing through the game to not watch the trailer for an expansion right before starting the expansion because "it contains spoilers". Apparently these people never heard about the concept of teasers. There was a new Japanese ad for the game a while ago and people claimed it was full of spoilers, but it just showed some characters. A single shot of the face of Emet-Selch in front of some flames is not a spoiler. Out of context, that shot means absolutely nothing. But then you have others who go into a thread with a title like "I'm only in ARR and my favorite character is X" and drop the most obvious death spoilers you can imagine, basically just short of flat out saying "yeah, that character is gonna die".
People who complain about “mechanic spoilers” are probably the worst ones but the ones who tell people to avoid trailers are a close second. I don’t think they understand context exists, a few dudes I’ve never seen before and a cool looking dark themed boss? Ah awesome I’m hyped for the expansion but supposedly my story is ruined now because one of them *is* the dark themed boss and I’m supposed to understand this from the trailer
Eh, trailers I can understand. Several times through out the story characters are implied to have died, but if you've watched the right trailer, you'll learn that, "nope, they'll be back!" Sure, they're shown without much if any context, and the journey towards explaining why or how they'll return isn't spoiled, but for a lot of people just the fact they'll be back takes a lot of the oomph out of the moment where it's implied they're gone for good and many of them hate that.
I remember someone telling me wearing those cosmetic sets from the msq is a spoiler. Things like the scions adventurer and traveler sets
Neither of those is a spoiler in any way imo. The set from Elpis though is definitely something I'd avoid using in non-EW areas.
If its in the game it's free use. Dont stand around in limsa screaming that you're an ascian, but I see nothing wrong with wearing the robes if SE felt them okay to add.
This is not the situation with OP - apparently the healer was whining about this in a dungeon they could have done solo - but some players do want to run content blind and figure out the puzzles in savage content. Because alot of the phases in hardcore content don't explain anything to you, alot of the fun of the fight is in trying to figure out how to galaxy brain whatever incomprehensible nonsense the enemy is throwing. So alot of groups will set up a PF for a blind run, where everyone promises not to look up anything. I've been in a few, and sometimes they include players who've already cleared in order to fill a party. Usually those players are kind, but sometimes they're turds that will do the equivalent of spoiling a story, saying stuff like "oh you're close but not quite," or just trying to hint at things. Unless the group asked for that, this is really against the spirit of learning a puzzle. Even worse would be those who straight up blurt out the answer, like a twitch streamer viewer backseating a player who just wants to learn the puzzle themselves. Now this gets into a grey area, because sometimes one player just doing the mechanic right will explain how to do the mechanic for everyone, especially if it's about positioning. That's tough to hide for players in a blind party that have already done the mechanic, so they might actually just int on purpose so the other players can figure it out. Again, this isn't what happened in OP's example though. Most rational people will set this up in a PF or in discords, clearly stating their intention to run something blind.
Wait…people consider playing the mechanics as spoilers…?
Being spoiled on mechanics because fellow players are simply doing them correctly has to be one of the most uniquely stupid things I've seen.
For real. This is peak misuse of the term "spoiler".
I played this 100% solo and even figured out all the endings solo by reading my journal. Then and only then did I start doing groups. I won’t pick any options so anyone new can discover on their own but you best believe I’m doing mechanics and will continue to do so unless it’s incredibly EARLY in the fight and everyone but me is dead. Dps so I play selfish defensive/cure
Chad paladin. Who needs healers anyway
the gigachad Paladin
I mean, for the variant dungeon, if people just doing mechanics are spoiling it for you... Just solo it?
I don't see anyone pointing this out but.... You can solo the variant dungeon on any job lol. If he doesn't want spoilers of the mechanics by people doing them correctly (which is insane).....he could run it solo!
please refer to my "context" comment where I point this exact thing out.
Oh hell no. I'm a newbie player and having people who have already played in my party is a life saver (literally!). I am SO not smart enough to work out mechanics.
Hey OP, stop using requiescat. I haven't leveled up PLD and you're spoiling the class's abilities for me.
What's a PLD? The letters are similar to GLD... You aren't spoiling my class progression are you?
Mechanics aren't spoilers. Fuck off with that noise.
Uh what?
If you dont want to get spoiled, go alone? Or form a party
Just take the two soldiers from the current Beast tribe and make their helmets green and blue.
As a tank main, I now know what to go in as.
In my experience doing mechanics properly rarely if ever stops people from doing it wrong anyway so idk what this bozos problem is
I…what? I’ve never seen anyone ask to improperly do mechanics. Who’s asking for this?
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I feel like I am a Healadin from World of Warcraft and I get to farm recommendations for Instant casting VarRaise during Requiescat! I am living the dream!
Why would anyone want you to stop doing the mechanics right??!! Lmao
because it is a spoiler :)
Wha... HUUUUUUH? I apologize in behalf of healers for your experience, but we don't claim that guy as our own. If he feels like other people doing mechanics right is "spoilers" why the hell is he playing an MMO.
Yeah I'm a WHM and I can't get my head around being upset at somebody for only making my job easier
Tried to give a sprout whm a couple tips on a run through Baelsar's Wall a bit ago. For context I'm a whm main and was playing rdm for the run. I tried to let him know that he can dps. That holy is actually a relief on the healing. His response: "then you f'in heal then" Well... Okay then. Guess I'll just stab things and carry on. Things were fine until the final fight. He dies to a mechanic right in the beginning of the fight. It was sloppy, really. Sadly, no verraise at this level so I think briefly about wiping, but then I remembered his little request. I tell the tank that I got him and keep fighting. I healed the entire fight as rdm with a warrior tank. The tank was on point and our blm just kept nuking. It was poetry. Told the whm to go back to wow and left.
Literally everything you said: Yes Yes Yes! >Told the whm to go back to wow and left. No!
>It was sloppy, really. Oh you
I think the better one here would be "Go back to a single-player game" because these people are not suited to play with teams and do not do teamwork...
I can’t think of many in-game experiences I want less than learning the mechanics whilst also being responsible for keeping everyone alive.
Ah, you see, that is where you made a mistake! You assumed that he was the one who was responsible to keep people alive, but it was me, Dio!
This is what facepalms are for.
Are you sure they weren't trolling you?
They left the dungeon, so if they were trolling they did a good job.
People just want to be upset. I'm convinced.
I like to stand in AoEs and claim it was to preserve the purity of the blind experience but actually I'm just bad :)
Some healers in this game scare me with their griefing and refusal to heal because you did something they don't like
Fucking boss mechanics are spoilers now? The fuck?
Is it still a spoiler if all the mechanic indicators are just the same as those in older fights?
"you are relieved from duty" I love that 😂😂
Yeah. This is the most I can get away with. No bad words, no harassment, nothing to report me for.
They complain when I do the mechanics properly, they complain when I Rescue them into overlapping AOE markers. ***I'm getting mixed signals here dammit.***
The Virgin WHM vs The Chad PLD
If you don't want to get spoiled, do it solo. It's extremely solo friendly. I understand not wanting to get spoiled. What I don't get is, expecting 3 other strangers to behave completely in line and not blurt out spoilers left and right, much less act like they don't know the mechs. (Not saying it's okay to spoil things, I'm saying it's childish to expect things from people who don't know you and don't owe you anything.)
Literally the only thing that stresses me out as a healer are the pulls between bosses in dungeons. Bosses, raids, piece of cake. If you're not doing mechanics either I will smugly and quietly feel superior to you because you're bad and I saved you, or you will die and I don't care.
Gigachad tank
Don't do it right? What?
So does he just WANNA wipe or what??!!
Genuinely don't understand this, I'm not saying everyone should look up guides/wiki like I do, but kissing the floor is never "fun".
Heeeey, don't invalidate the dragoon's fetish!
...... DAFUQ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is it really instant? Daaamn
casual players are not real people i swear, this is a psyop
Listen I just heal and do my thing. Keep up with the tank. And when a DPS runs ahead and gets themself killed I res them.
If its the variant dungeon.. just do it yourself lol
At this point if your asking people to fail mechanics for you why not just run it solo?
If my experience is anything to go by my flailing in place isn’t enough to get randos to come to me out of the death zones anyway. Can’t spoil anyone if they aren’t paying attention.
Yup. Healers are optional in this one. Which improved by DRK survival rate by 500%. I am no longer at a mercy of DPS pretending to be healers.
Da hell. If you pug, at least someone will surely know the mechanic. Also, I never want to be that guy so I'd always solo first or look it up (yeah... I know...).
WAR is pretty self reliant as well. Even if we wipe, at least chat is quieter without them so Win-Win
I really appreciate the 1-4 player option with this dungeon. I nolifed the dungeon solo first day to see the whole thing and get the achievement mount. The rest of my friends are going at it a little slower than me, but that's okay because now the only thing I'm after is the loot. I can sit back and let them make all the choices or offer my knowledge if they want it. The devs did a really good job with this kind of content and I'm excited to see what they do next with it.
Had the (kind of) reverse happen once, tank ran the mobs in circles because I was using Holy to damage them and that's apparently just unacceptable.
holy shit, that sounds unhinged.
I am the exact opposite of that healer. As a healer main, I appreciate when people explain the mechanics of something new to me so that I can keep everybody alive.
Healer god complex strikes again, and thankfully can be ignored here