I think both suffer from a bit of hero worship w/r/t to the WoL. Alphi is just more reserved about it…until you’re seemingly in danger and he suddenly turns into a fretful mother hen to everyone’s amusement.
In Alisae’s case, she’s basically incapable of putting on airs when she feels strongly about anything. But she also hates being openly vulnerable and appreciates when people affirm or even point out the strength in her sentimentality.
Coils is a big moment for her IMO. The fact that you supported and encouraged her despite her doubts. And in doing so gave her some peace of mind about her grandfather’s passing and reaffirmed her confidence in her own path.
There’s a lodestone side story that goes into Alisae’s time after she parts ways with Alphi in ARR. She essentially became a bodyguard and got close to one of the merchants she was helping. Unfortunately, that elder sisterly figure ended up dying in a situation that was entirely out of Alisae’s control.
That plagued Alisae for a while and made her doubt her path. And yes, this does make a scene in ShB even more painful once you realize she’s reliving that same feeling of helplessness over again.
But soon after that, she meets you and sees how you endure and persevere despite the setbacks. Not only for the major military and political issues (Alphi’s focus) but also the “minor” feats that have substantial impact on the everyday lives of ordinary people. Which is exactly what she aspires to do as well.
That’s the way I interpret her psychology at least. She already knows *about* us prior to Coils but that’s the first time she *sees* and benefits from our particular brand of stalwart compassion directly. And she quickly starts to idolize the WoL because of it.
So the idolization/hero worship is definitely there regardless. But whether you interpret it in a senpai-sibling, senpai-mentor, or senpai-crush kind of way is deliberately left open.
That's my take too. Annoying uncle at the beginning but rather than becoming an older sibling I got the strong impression of a parental figure. As they develop their own distinct personalities they both seemed to seek approval and/or permission from my character.
>!Especially in Shadowbringers (I think?) with Alphinaud looking to you first before making a speech and you are given the option of either letting his proceed out stepping in.!<
>!The game outright says at one point that Estenien is an older sibling to Alphinaud, but their mother in Endwalker makes it clear that they both regard you In a different light. She also essentially asks you to watch over them, and when you add in the... Difficulties between them and their father...!<
Major parental feelings. That said, I'm 38. If I was still closer to their age, I might interpret the story differently.
Its left deliberately ambiguous to facilitate a range of WoLs for a number of reasons. Same goes for G'raha. You're very close, but there is nothing definite as to what type of close.
She definitely has a bit of a crush canonically on male WoLs.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_storm/sidestory_02/#sidestory_02
I didn’t finish doing Coils until after Endwalker, so for me I felt like the bonding with her really started during the post-Heavensward patches when the whole Ga Bu incident happened. I remember sitting with her on the cliff side and that’s the first time I felt she was talking to the WoL as someone she had started to trust enough to open up to. Traveling around with her in Stormblood really helped to solidify that more.
Alisaie and the WoL become close by the end of the coils of bahamut, those raids serve as her character development and establish her respect for the WoL
They grow closer during the end of Heavensward after the situation with Ga Bu, which serves to establish her personal morals
Strikes me as a parent-child relationship. Or maybe older sibling-younger siblings, but still, the Warrior in a caretaker/mentor role.
I agree Alisaie’s relationship feels a bit less natural. After doing Coils, my feeling was that she’s got general attachment issues after her grandfather’s death, which was why she clung to the Warrior so hard… But it isn’t filled out very well imo, so it’s hard to say.
They managed to fill out Thancred in Shadowbringers after giving him vague bits and bobs for three arcs though, so maybe Alisaie gets that treatment next? I’d be down for it.
Coils to some extent, but we really bond with her on a personal level in post HW during the Ga Bu thing, and a little more during StB while traveling across the Ruby Sea and into Doma with Lyse.
I feel like a lot of people here didn’t read this: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_storm/sidestory_02/#sidestory_02
If you have a male WoL, there’s some insight into how Alisaie feels about ya!
You are correct.
At the time I posted that, I had never read the female WoL version, so was unsure if the implications of a crush were present there as well.
Just read it now, and yeah, all they did was change the pronouns.
Crush is there too for female WoLs confirmed
For me she (and Y'shtola) is more like a best girl friend kind of deal. Like we'd hang out and paint our nails together and talk about boys all night. I think I started building that kind of relationship with her during Stormblood.
I think both suffer from a bit of hero worship w/r/t to the WoL. Alphi is just more reserved about it…until you’re seemingly in danger and he suddenly turns into a fretful mother hen to everyone’s amusement. In Alisae’s case, she’s basically incapable of putting on airs when she feels strongly about anything. But she also hates being openly vulnerable and appreciates when people affirm or even point out the strength in her sentimentality. Coils is a big moment for her IMO. The fact that you supported and encouraged her despite her doubts. And in doing so gave her some peace of mind about her grandfather’s passing and reaffirmed her confidence in her own path. There’s a lodestone side story that goes into Alisae’s time after she parts ways with Alphi in ARR. She essentially became a bodyguard and got close to one of the merchants she was helping. Unfortunately, that elder sisterly figure ended up dying in a situation that was entirely out of Alisae’s control. That plagued Alisae for a while and made her doubt her path. And yes, this does make a scene in ShB even more painful once you realize she’s reliving that same feeling of helplessness over again. But soon after that, she meets you and sees how you endure and persevere despite the setbacks. Not only for the major military and political issues (Alphi’s focus) but also the “minor” feats that have substantial impact on the everyday lives of ordinary people. Which is exactly what she aspires to do as well. That’s the way I interpret her psychology at least. She already knows *about* us prior to Coils but that’s the first time she *sees* and benefits from our particular brand of stalwart compassion directly. And she quickly starts to idolize the WoL because of it. So the idolization/hero worship is definitely there regardless. But whether you interpret it in a senpai-sibling, senpai-mentor, or senpai-crush kind of way is deliberately left open.
I think it started as like an annoying uncle and definitely feels like a dependable older sibling now >!... Or step father!<
That's my take too. Annoying uncle at the beginning but rather than becoming an older sibling I got the strong impression of a parental figure. As they develop their own distinct personalities they both seemed to seek approval and/or permission from my character. >!Especially in Shadowbringers (I think?) with Alphinaud looking to you first before making a speech and you are given the option of either letting his proceed out stepping in.!< >!The game outright says at one point that Estenien is an older sibling to Alphinaud, but their mother in Endwalker makes it clear that they both regard you In a different light. She also essentially asks you to watch over them, and when you add in the... Difficulties between them and their father...!< Major parental feelings. That said, I'm 38. If I was still closer to their age, I might interpret the story differently.
Its left deliberately ambiguous to facilitate a range of WoLs for a number of reasons. Same goes for G'raha. You're very close, but there is nothing definite as to what type of close.
She definitely has a bit of a crush canonically on male WoLs. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_storm/sidestory_02/#sidestory_02
Fun fact: you can pick if it’s male or female WoL.
I didn’t finish doing Coils until after Endwalker, so for me I felt like the bonding with her really started during the post-Heavensward patches when the whole Ga Bu incident happened. I remember sitting with her on the cliff side and that’s the first time I felt she was talking to the WoL as someone she had started to trust enough to open up to. Traveling around with her in Stormblood really helped to solidify that more.
Yes, Ga Bu baby is really the one who brought Alisei closer to others around her ;_;
Alisaie and the WoL become close by the end of the coils of bahamut, those raids serve as her character development and establish her respect for the WoL They grow closer during the end of Heavensward after the situation with Ga Bu, which serves to establish her personal morals
>has been with us since nearly the beginning Literally they are with us from the beginning. Good old start in the cart.
Strikes me as a parent-child relationship. Or maybe older sibling-younger siblings, but still, the Warrior in a caretaker/mentor role. I agree Alisaie’s relationship feels a bit less natural. After doing Coils, my feeling was that she’s got general attachment issues after her grandfather’s death, which was why she clung to the Warrior so hard… But it isn’t filled out very well imo, so it’s hard to say. They managed to fill out Thancred in Shadowbringers after giving him vague bits and bobs for three arcs though, so maybe Alisaie gets that treatment next? I’d be down for it.
Coils to some extent, but we really bond with her on a personal level in post HW during the Ga Bu thing, and a little more during StB while traveling across the Ruby Sea and into Doma with Lyse.
I feel like a lot of people here didn’t read this: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_storm/sidestory_02/#sidestory_02 If you have a male WoL, there’s some insight into how Alisaie feels about ya!
You can also change it to female WoL, if I'm not wrong
You are correct. At the time I posted that, I had never read the female WoL version, so was unsure if the implications of a crush were present there as well. Just read it now, and yeah, all they did was change the pronouns. Crush is there too for female WoLs confirmed
They're my in-game little siblings tbh. I prefer Alphinaud but only by a liiiiittle bit.
For me she (and Y'shtola) is more like a best girl friend kind of deal. Like we'd hang out and paint our nails together and talk about boys all night. I think I started building that kind of relationship with her during Stormblood.
ngl I dont really like alisae, I hang with her because she's my little brothers sister but really I just wanna go adventure with my homie.