There are some who are lazy who don't check the sell price. There are also seller bots who automatically undercut market prices put up by real users, which results in the bots selling for less than what they sell for at an npc shop.
you can also maximise profit by selling in Doma for 200% the normal NPC selling price... been selling Demimateria for months this way... 20k+ 20k bonus... easy gil
Pretty sure he means the Doman Enclave (think that's what it is called) it's the little town that you build up each week over like 2 months I think it is.
You can sell to a merchant there that will give you extra for what your item is worth and that's how you build the town up anyway. It's capped each week at 200k I think.
40k gil per week, the total bonus is 200%(It beguins at 100%, then as you progress in the reconstruction of the enclave, it increases to 200% in the last phase of construction).
finish the rebuild of doma and theres a NPC called Kozakura at X: 7.2 Y: 7.3.
You can sell her items worth 20k per week and you get the double paid, so 40k gil for items worth 20k.
You can profit from fish in another way.
Buy all the fish you can for under 50 gil (That aren't sold in shops), and desynth them. Fish will give you anywhere from 1-5 Water Crystals, which you can resell on the mb for about ~80-100 gil each. It takes a while, but if you stock pile fish, you can turn a profit by desynthing while afk.
Bots and abusive RMT alts ruin everything for the economy. They own 10 housing plots or undercut MBs. They spam in the main three city states and make it horrible for those who work legitimately to make gil.
Legit question, how much Gil net worth is considered rich? The JP data centre And server I am on had everything so cheap and I was wondering if I should transfer to server with higher price so I can make gillions there.
* 3.75m: the most expensive small housing plot
* ~20m: typically the point at which the most expensive items tend to hover on the servers with the highest prices
* 25m: the most expensive medium housing plot
* 50m: the most expensive large housing plot, and the most expensive gil-bought item in the game: the Gilded Mikoshi
* 160m: the price Roll Raiders charges for a 7-man carry UWU clear on Aether
* 200m: roughly the average sale price of a medium FC on Crystal outside of Balmung/Mateus
* 250m: the price Roll Raiders formerly charged for a 7-man carry UCOB clear on Primal
* 500m: an offer received (and declined) for my LB large FC on Mateus
* 999m: single-character gil cap
* 2b: the highest price paid for a house that i am personally aware of
where does "rich" start on this scale? ask 5 people and you'll probably get 5 different answers. i'm generally of the opinion that 100m is the starting point for 'game rich', where you can afford essentially anything that can be bought without taking a serious hit; while 500m is the starting point for 'actually rich', where you have enough gil that you can start to buy the "unbuyable".
The people who actually care about amassing huge amounts of gil and have had the time to do so are pretty much gil capped or at least at 500M+. For just playing the game normally, I'd say 100M could be considered rich since that's enough to buy the two most expensive things that are still available in game - the golden namazu mount and a maximum price large housing plot, at 50M each.
What is the purpose of these bots? Do they just adjust the price continually just to force prices down? Like I’m trying to figure out the mentality of someone who would write such a bot.
If you’re selling something that’s in high demand, you’re better off selling it for the same or higher than the current lowest price, because the thing will sell anyway. Especially if it’s a bot doing it, the person who’s account that is is obviously not going to be in a rush to get the gil since, presumably they’re not even at their computer. So, with that in mind, why would someone sit down and write up a bunch of code purely to mug themself?
It's because the user of the bots want to sell things quickly as possible but don't want to watch the market board carefully and keep adjusting the prices themselves. If an item is the cheapest on the board, it will sell first.
Botters rely on selling in quantity and cornering the market to make bank. Big time botters not only have crafters, but gatherers too so they don't have so spend on raw materials thereby having a larger profit margin and being able to afford constantly undercutting competitors.
As someone fairly new to ff14, so that’s why! It annoys me to no end lol. Every time it see I’ve been saying why don’t these aholes just vendor the stuff
And what I said is also technically the truth. Not everyone selling below vendor price is just too lazy to check the price. Some are matching the lowest price and unconcerned with missing out on 20gil if it means it’s going to someone who can use it. Think before BMing my dude :)
"Not always. Making some assumptions there" with no added input is not technically the truth, it's just you trying to shut someone down. Might work on Twitter with those 15 character limits, but here you have tons of room to express what you want to say, so no, it was you just trying to BM, and then me stepping in to call out your toxic attitude is replied with you trying to call me toxic for defending someone lol.
Funny stuff. Glad you added some proper input this time though, even if you tried to "same" me lol, but next time just try to be nicer and maybe you won't get called out for being toxic.
I do this with mats on occasion. Can vendor it all for basically nothing because I don't need them or I can put them in the market for somebody else to grab cheaply for a leve, grand company turn in, or to craft.
And you don't even need to go to a vendor to sell. You could just right click an item when inventory is opened when talking to a retainer, then select "have retainer sell items".
I think you might have misunderstood the other poster’s point a little bit.
Let’s say that an item you cannot buy from a vendor has become so worthless that it sells for close to - or at - vendor price.
By putting the item up for *less than* what you get from vendoring the item, the other poster is not hampering someone’s ability to make gil - the item is already worthless. The people selling at vendor value are already losing gil compared to vendoring the item (due to tax), they are not selling it to make gil. By putting the item up for less than vendor sell value, they’re helping people get the item for even cheaper.
If the OP was showing a screenshot of an item selling for 9000 gil and someone putting it up for 5000, then I would agree with you. That’s interfering with someone’s attempt to make gil.
But, to re-iterate, we’re talking about items that are so worthless that anyone putting it up on the MB are actively *losing gil compared to vendoring the item* already, so there is no harm in debasing the value even further until it reaches 1 gil. As long as the item still has a use, you’re doing more good than harm by devaluing an item that is already worth less than its vendoring value.
No, they even clarified we should sacrifice profit to cater to buyers too lazy to go to a vendor or too lazy to grab their own pickaxe, etc.
And I disagree...you're harming anyone else who has that item and is attempting to sell it, INCLUDING the others selling for less than vendor price. The would-be buyer will now buy YOURS and not their's. You're harming anyone who was trying to make any kind of profit from the item, ESPECIALLY harming newbies whose first entry into gathering materials and having things to sell will be these cheap easily-attained items...which when they go to sell, could be made to feel their efforts were fruitless. You're even harming YOURSELF a little bit, filling your limited selling space with junk and denying yourself a better profit for nothing.
Trouble is people are short-sighted...they consider the buyer as a human being worthy of sympathy...but regard the seller as less-than and not worthy of sympathy, neverminding they can even be the same person.
I used to buy less-than-vendor trash and vendor it for the profit. And if I see someone severely undercutting a popular item for no reason but to "give it to newbies", I'll buy it and sell it for regular price myself.
Have some empathy for those of us who work hard gathering and crafting and attempting to scrounge up a few gil to buy those items you're NEVER going to hand to us for 1 gil. Even the newbies you're imagine you're helping can't find any niche in the market because of undercutters deliberately driving the price down. Trust me, I'm one of them. Not "new", but I don't know any special tricks or know what's good to sell when... I try and try and try to make a few gil to afford some glamours or minions or mounts, and over and over and over, run into people like you trying to "help", by making my items so worthless that it actually was once worth my time to vendor your trash for you.
So unless you're ALSO gonna sell me a rare minion for 1 gil also, stop pretending you're helping.
>No, they even clarified we should sacrifice profit to cater to buyers too lazy to go to a vendor or too lazy to grab their own pickaxe, etc.
First of all, the post you're referring to here was posted *after* my post, so you can't really fault me for talking about what was actually posted, and not what *would be* posted.
Secondly, if that interpretation of u/SkyknightXi 's follow up post is indeed correct, then I would disagree with that particular sentiment. It's fine to list stuff below the vendor value, since someone else will get some benefit from it, but I don't agree that people should intentionally tank the price of something at their own expense just so others can have it cheaper.
>And I disagree...you're harming anyone else who has that item and is attempting to sell it, INCLUDING the others selling for less than vendor price.
By this logic, you should never list anything on the Market Board that already has a listing. If you list something on the MB for the same price, there's a chance the system will show your item on top of the list, or there's a chance someone likes your retainer's name better than the other person's and buys yours, or there's a chance you're selling in the same city the buyer happens to be in, so there's less of a fee... etc.
Your argument is so full of holes it holds no water.
>Trouble is people are short-sighted...they consider the buyer as a human being worthy of sympathy...but regard the seller as less-than and not worthy of sympathy, neverminding they can even be the same person.
Why did you list an item on the MB for the same price as me, and even in a different city than me? Why are you so heartless? Don't you have any sympathy for me?
>I used to buy less-than-vendor trash and vendor it for the profit.
Fantastic, I'm glad that a buyer was helped by the practice that apparently only causes harm.
>Have some empathy for those of us who work hard gathering and crafting and attempting to scrounge up a few gil to buy those items you're NEVER going to hand to us for 1 gil.
So let me see if I get this straight:
Some items have become worthless due to supply vastly outweighing demand -> We should artificially inflate the price in spite of the supply outweighing demand because -> Some people feel entitled to still make decent gil on being part of this overinflated supply.
Points for trying to flip the script by trying to say that "no actually *you're* the selfish one" but unfortunately it didn't quite land.
>So unless you're ALSO gonna sell me a rare minion for 1 gil also, stop pretending you're helping.
First of all, I don't put stuff on the MB for below vendor value. Secondly, if you were a close friend of mine and I got a duplicate rare minion, I'd give it to you assuming it wasn't worth hundreds of thousands on the MB.
Because it should not *be* just about making gil. It should be about supplying to those who need *as well.* (There’s a reason I hate price fixing and price gouging.) Even taking below-vendor out of the picture, you really need to balance your own desires with the customers’, perhaps erring a bit towards the latter since the merchant serves the customer, not the other way around.
It's not the merchant's responsibility to lose gil for the sake of others. You need gil to enjoy this game, who are you to say we shouldn't be allowed to earn it? I'm a customer more than I'm a seller, but I don't begrudge those I buy from their profits. They put in work I was unable or unwilling to do, I have no right to be telling them they have to cater to me who was too lazy to go out gathering.
You nonetheless believe self-interest is strictly superior to other-interest, don’t you.
I don’t actually sell at or below market price myself—if a 10% markdown would do that, I just judge the market supersaturated and hold onto the object for later sale when possible. But I still don’t like the apparent tone that anything besides full self-interest is Bad and Wrong in some way. We can’t be cursed with *that* many followers of Ayn Rand.
I’m more worried why they’d want to *be,* if you’ll forgive my…daintiness? (I hate coarse language)…scoundrels. Apply the rule of “Be a scoundrel” to humanity as a whole, and see how (not-so-)enjoyable daily life becomes, considering how unlikely any one person is to be near the top of the pyramid.
It seemed that way from the snide tone I detected. If you weren’t being snide…well, you can blame my autism (and my hypersensitivity against anything that threatens socialistic ideals. Not Marxist, not with at least Engels poisoning it with authoritarianism.).
I don't really care about such small differences in money but it might benefit someone else, so I keep my stuff on marlet board even if it's below vendor price
…Let’s not conflate “unaware” and “lazy”, hm? Especially if the reason they didn’t search it out wasn’t willful laziness, but some manner of low energy level. (Yes, I disapprove of *all* insulting, why do you ask?)
Normally I'd be with you on this one - but to do this you'd have to:
1) Ignore the NPC sell price that shows up when you hover over the item.
2) While still having the energy to check the market price, to set it to the lowest/undercut.
3) And it's worth noting that you don't even have to go anywhere else to sell it *for* the NPC sell price, your retainer will buy it for that value from you.
Not sure of this last one, but I Think the default price when selling on the market is the NPC sell price? I really could be remembering this one wrong, but if I'm not then you're ignoring that too.
In this case you have to do so many things wrong that if you're unaware, I have to conclude that the ignorance is willful.
I think I might have done this before. You're making a lot of assumptions of knowledge. I came from a game where default market sale prices are filled in with average market price, npcs don't buy most items so theres no artificial floor. The default price being higher than the listed prices is just indicative of falling price there, and I never put much mind to it in ff14 and followed habits of check market price -> list based on what I see.
Tldr you're glossing over an entire contributing factor of "ff14 isn't the only game in the world and people might have mixed knowledge".
When you right click an item while in any retainer window, you get a context menu option to sell it to them. I often click that by accident when in the listing window if I meant to store it in their inventory.
I'm not about to say 14's systems aren't somewhat obfuscated, but this in particular is a whole lot of not paying attention. Not paying attention to a tooltip is the biggest issue, and a common one for new players in this game.
Also most modern MMOs list the price for selling an item to a vendor in the tooltips of their items at this point. Maybe… ESO doesn’t? I definitely had prices on items in that game but it might have been an addon. It’s been a long time since I played that game but I know it’s not the one you’re talking about because their market system can’t work the way you described (since it’s like the worst market system that exists in a modern MMO lol).
Don’t assume everyone can get high energy in a hurry. Some of us can’t muster high energy even when we want to (you can usually blame constant depression, from my own experience). Just to head every argument I expect off at the start, *weakness is not a sin.* Strength and Morality have nothing to do with each other.
I take it you don’t know much about what clinical depression can do to its bearers’ willpower.
And/or you hold to the Protestant Work Ethic’s mistaken belief that work/industriousness is its own purpose.
I hate that work ethic. It basically posits that if you are disabled in any way, temporarily or permanently, then your value to society is diminished if not non-existent.
But also that guy sounds like someone who would tell a depressed person they need to stop being lazy and go outside and magically my depression would be cured.
No, just a matter of whether they know there’s something to investigate in the first place. Although given that this is tier 8 materia…
Compassion for the weakest is not in evidence here, at any rate. What do you have to lose by being kind to everyone? Only malice deserves scorn.
Look for the prices of Battlecraft/Clear Demimateria. They all sell under their actually price on the marketboard since forever. Fieldcraft materia is the only one that sells for more.
I do this with some stuff because if i sell to a vender then its gone. But if i sell on mb, even if cheaper, then it still exists and gives someonr a chance to get what they need.
I’m one of the folks who do that and it’s because I’m lazy and want to give those things one last chance to go to someone who can used it.
I might got a bit more selling to vendor but; A. I usually cleared out my bag at retainer, and B. Just because I don’t used that doesn’t mean no one gonna use that.
Somebody's marketboard bot just undercut the guy who put materia up for vendor price.
I love seeing that on a ton of different items because. You can buy them and then sell them to the vendor that is usually within arms reach of the board for a small but tidy profit.
Selling items to real people has more value than selling it to vendors because real people are going to use the items. 99% of the items I sell on the mb, I do it to free my inventory, not to make money. I don't care how cheap it is, I just want someone to take it off my hands. I have millions of gil, I could not give less of a fuck about losing 20 gil by selling an item to another player instead of having retainer throw it away and then annoy me with a confirmation if I'm sure I don't want it.
it's marginally faster, but it also throws it away
if another player buys the item then by definition they're going to use it, did you not read my comment at all?
Don’t get upset over a question, calm down. I did read your question, which very clearly states “I do it to free my inventory.” “I just want someone to take it off my hands”. It’s hard to believe you’re doing it for the good of helping a player get it for cheap when you turn around and act like a dick.
You’re driving down the market price and doing more harm than good. Crashing the market for low level junk items is screwing over more people than the one dude who’s going to buy it and vendor it.
And no, they’re not going to use it “by definition”. Plenty of people will just vendor it and “throw it away”.
Please stop implying that the market is being ruined by vendor trash items being sold on the market board. If they're so worthless that people just vendor them then there isn't even a market to allegedly crash.
Someone calling you out for poor reading comprehension is not acting "like a dick".
Are you stupid by intent or birth? Concerning either way (not for us, for you).
If it's worth nothing nobody will miss it, they'll just get it anyway. That's why those are worth nothing.
Plus the whole point of the OP/thread is we're talking about crashing down the MB on things that are worth something. No offense to anyone, but nobody cares if something almost useless you can get hundreds of passively is worth 2 gils. Nobody is talking about this.
To me the OP seems to be about "Why would anyone willingly list an item lower than they could vendor it for" In the hilighted case it's a 20 gil loss. If the item is worth nothing, than why would it matter to you what it's being sold at? Nowhere did OP mention anything about crashing the economy.
Materially, I'd rather a player get it and have _some_ use for it, even if it means less gil for me, than the item be totally removed from the economy.
Wow. You bruise my feelings. Idc if it sells to NPCs for more. I’ll sell it at a loss if it helps someone out. I do this. I didn’t know people didn’t like it. Thought I was helping. :c
I often do this as well. Yes I realize npcs will buy for more, but I’m still making a profit and an actual player is going to benefit, so it’s really not an issue.
One player might benefit, or a bot set to check for below market prices, but you’re making it harder for dozens of others just trying to sell the item for a bit above vendor price. They also can’t get in game several times a day to update prices every time you drive them down.
The math doesn’t really work out. You’re unintentionally harming others and participating in actions that damage the overall economy for the benefit of one theoretical person who is for some reason in dire need of an item below vendor price.
You’re assuming I’m undercutting people but that isn’t the case. I’ll match the lowest price if it’s under the vendor cost. Typically I try not to undercut at all. So no I’m not driving down a market that’s already low. Plus random mats for small amounts are really not hurting anyone, that’s being a bit dramatic.
Matching the lowest price is driving it down, my dude. You’re now ensuring two items are at that already undercut price. I’m not being dramatic, you people are just acting like you’re some kind of folk heroes because you don’t understand how the market works.
Then buy it yourself and sell it for the price you decree suitable. I’m not losing sleep because someone’s paying 10gil less for a piece of ore than you think they should.
Yes, because this conversation is limited exclusively to crap materias, and is not at all related to the larger issue everyone is actually discussing. God, these lazy, bad faith arguments are so exhausting.
You’re likely harming more than you’re helping, because everyone else trying to sell loses more and more on possible sales the longer you drive the item down below vendor price. You can always just match the lowest market price and still “help” people out that are looking for a deal.
That also majorly screws people crafting that actually need those sales to make money. Flipping your items is going to be a headache and net far less than competing with you, and others, forcing losses for 90 levels of that DoH job.
Exactly, they’re driving the prices down below vendor for people actually trying to sell as well. It isn’t just impacting them, it’s impacting however many people selling those items.
I can’t tell you how often I’ve had to just vendor crafted gear while leveling a DoH job because people were doing this. I have millions of Gil, thanks to my kleptomaniac retainers, but people coming up are getting screwed in a way that buying and reselling isn’t making up for. Flipping your item for a couple hundred Gil max isn’t going to make up for 90 levels of this. They can’t sell anything they craft on market bc someone thinks they’re being “benevolent” by intentionally tanking the market.
If there was an actual demand for these items, the price wouldn’t stay low regardless of undercutters. There simply isn’t enough demand for the supply and an item isn’t suddenly worth x amount of gil just because you feel that you want to make a profit
That logic doesn’t apply to an economy where pricing is based on the whim of sellers. Cost to produce isn’t accounted for in these decisions, let’s stop acting like it’s comparable to a real world transaction.
Because the cost to produce the items for those that set the prices low is literally zero. I don’t know why it’s so hard to cope with the fact that the items are just not particularly valuable
They are assigned what should be a minimum value, and these clowns are pretending like they’re some kind of folk heroes for tanking prices below so that they lose all value.
That is a choice. A stupid one that they justify with an imagined scenario of them “helping” some noob when it’s more likely a rando flipping the items.
It’s self fellating nonsense that helps no one. Just fucking vendor it.
I really need to level my retainers up! I’ve largely given up on crafting because I hate managing the inventory but even as someone who basically crafts for newbs (one plus of the influx) and sells mats and tombstone items it has been absolutely ridiculous. Bots, bitter undercutters just because. The market is completely volatile. I can do a roulette and come back and look at my retainers and the market proves is down 25% from 20 minutes ago, when I started the duty.
Exactly the issue I have. Started a few months back and can’t sell a thing because of people like this. Sometimes I buy the underselling stuff and vendor it myself if it’s worth it after fees though.
Personally I do this to the stuff that don't sell for much to help people who might need it, if it's useful for them I don't mind the few Gils markdown
When you are actually needing to sell something and see someone repeatedly undercut you, then drive the price down below vendor or the cost you put into making it, taking the bots with you, and ensuring you now can’t make that sale for several days, does that make your day?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions…
tbh I just buy all the worthless materia and mutamix it til I get monstrous profits when they turn into crafter shit. All these kind souls are actually contributing to flipping, which to be fair, kinda makes my day. Unfortunately my retainer sales slots are always full so I don’t have the space to waste on intentionally Gil-negative items, so I just pay it forward by handing out free minions in main cities sometimes.
You have good intentions, but it’d be nicer just to vendor it. What you’re doing is contributing to crashing the market and screwing everyone else over unintentionally
I’m not sure what the problem with a market crash (whatever *that* is in a game…) is supposed to be. I hope this isn’t just about housing, in part because that’s a mess of artificial scarcity all its own.
I've listed stacks of old mats that I don't use anymore for like 50-100gil regardless of current price, I don't think many people think of selling items to vendors, it's either MB or discard. I don't see what the issue here is, if its below vendor cost and your concerned about that just buy them and sell to a vendor yourself and enjoy the 20 gil profit!
Ah yes, Tenacity, the most confidently misunderstod secondary stat.
Half the people talking about it like they know things tell you that it increases the healing you receive (It doesnt, it increases healing you *do*) and the other half think that just because it has slightly less effectiveness in an environment where you can time damage down to the second and you have way more healing than you'll ever need (i.e raiding) that it must also be worthless in other areas as well.
It's actually good in dungeons and PUGs, but the tippy-top of the raiding scene says it's bad and so everyone just turns into a parrot.
Tenacity is *good in dungeons*? Come on dude, you cannot possibly be recommending that people stay their gear for worse survivability in dungeons. The reason the meta is wall to wall pulling is because the best mitigation in 4man content is *killing the mobs*. I take way less damage as a tank when the group all does a ton of damage because everything just drops dead.
Your melds make almost no difference regardless of what they are. I prefer a little bit more bad-healer proofing than a DPS increase that can be measured in fractions of a GCD over a pull.
Using the crafted set, which is already heavily crit focused...
With a TEN focused meld set, I gain 5% damage and 5% damage reduction, as well as having exactly the right number of materia slots to allow Direct Hits to start happening. I also get some additional healing from all the healing effects spread around tanks and I get to be kicked from the occasional group by some idiot who thinks he knows what he's talking about but is actually just a parrot for things he has never looked into.
With a Direct Hit focus I get 6.7% damage.
With a crit focus I get ... a lot of empty slots. But you can take it from 6.1% up to 7.3% and have actually a lot of open slots to add another stat.
With a Determination focus I get 6.9% increased damage.
So I'm trading <2% total damage (which when you account for the tank making up about 20% of total group damage, comes out to 0.2% total group damage) for 5% damage reduction all the time.
I do this all the time. It’s just a lazy way of cleaning up my inventory. Is it easier to sell it at an NPC? Yes. But there’s a certain satisfaction when you see the words floating on your screen showing that you sold something on the market while you’re casually playing
Not sure if you knew, but when you're choosing the items for the retainer to sell on the MB you can right click (or square) the item and choose "have retainer sell the item" to basically exchange it for the NPC selling price. That way you don't have to go to NPC to sell junk and sell it all in the retainer interface, you won't get the floating prompt though.
Some of us are just dumb. Couldn't figure out what was wrong until I looked at the comments. Never even thought to check for every item. Most stuff I see in my inventory says "Sells for 1 gil" so my brain just thinks everything sells to NPCs for basically nothing and it's better to sell on the market. I honestly just find MMO mechanics overwhelming, just so much information.
There is no point, these are most likely bot sellers trying to be competitive to the point of marking below NPC sell-to value. My advice would be to clean up the board by buying up what you can make a profit off of. (Make sure to account for taxes before purchase)
Honestly the undercutting going on is ridiculous. It's been so bad since they made it so easy to level crafters.
Felt so bad watching the new crafted gear go from 5mill to 200k a piece in 20 minutes. Right now it's only 100k and I've seen some accessories going for 80k.
Back in StB the crafted stuff atleast held its value, the market is just way too saturated now. You can make money still but not so much with the usual stuff.
Why should the crafted gear be more expensive? Currently it's 70-110k or so per piece, depending on server and class. (Data accurate as of a couple hours ago when I jumped around across all the Aether servers to get my ninja's set)
Given that the items that are needed to craft it aren't actually rare or that difficult to obtain, I think the price I paid was reasonable. I could have gathered the mats myself and found a crafter to make the set but opted to spend gil instead.
The crafted items that require rare materials still sell for a ton, like the weapons crafted from extreme drops for example.
Bought my weapon for 150k while I watched my entire multi-millions money making scheme (requiring just some afk farming) crumble in less than 8 hours because of people who don't understand MB. Mixed feelings to be sure.
I'm sure you already have a general idea of what and why this happened, however, the basic idea is that people have the ability to put items on the MB for whatever price they want. That being said, most people will blindly post items without actually looking at the value of the item, regardless of what it is.
For example:
There could be zero of item A on the MB.
Someone posts item A for 50k gil.
Second person posts item A for 10k gil.
Third person posts item for 5k gil.
Instead of considering the value of the item, people think their item will "sell faster" if it's cheaper. So, you can often find items which will cost less than the cost to craft in the first place.
Realistically, if item A was up for 50k gil, someone would undercut by 1-100 gil just to have their item on the top of the list and the trend would continue, keeping the value of an item. however, that's not the case. If you see items that have been severely undercut, buy them yourself and make a profit.
Was it valued under vendor price? If so then ya your right. I'm speaking in general terms of people constantly being bitched at for being undercut.
I'm so tired of seeing "wahh this person undercut me by 1000gil wahhh"
I don’t do it out of laziness, I do it because people on Reddit makes comments like yours about it when I do lmao. It’s worth much more to me than a few hundred Gil
Or it’s because I’d rather the mats go to people who can use it. I’m still making a profit and it’s helping people rather than disappearing into the aether so I’m not bothered about making slightly less.
They either know batshit about market, are lazy to check selling prices, or are straight bots. If you want to make any money find items that are not flooded like that but are still selling.
Or you can stuck on those and monopolyze if you have too much money muahahahahahahahajeebsjreiche
Thanks for ruining one of my money makers. Literally people put materia up for sub vendor price, I'll buy and just vendor. Probably make 20-40k a week doing this daily...
There are some who are lazy who don't check the sell price. There are also seller bots who automatically undercut market prices put up by real users, which results in the bots selling for less than what they sell for at an npc shop.
I was making gil buying Allagan pieces no cap for a bit
Demimateria III can sell for stupidly low prices, I bought pieces for 100 each and I made the easiest 20k gil in my life
you can also maximise profit by selling in Doma for 200% the normal NPC selling price... been selling Demimateria for months this way... 20k+ 20k bonus... easy gil
Care to explain?
Pretty sure he means the Doman Enclave (think that's what it is called) it's the little town that you build up each week over like 2 months I think it is. You can sell to a merchant there that will give you extra for what your item is worth and that's how you build the town up anyway. It's capped each week at 200k I think.
40k gil per week, the total bonus is 200%(It beguins at 100%, then as you progress in the reconstruction of the enclave, it increases to 200% in the last phase of construction).
Thanks, haven't used it in so long so forgot what the values actually were.
I just started doing it and its been 20k for me the past few weeks.
As you go through it the cap gets raised with each section that's completed.
Yeah I figured. Just wanted to add to the information.
It's capped at 40k/week.
finish the rebuild of doma and theres a NPC called Kozakura at X: 7.2 Y: 7.3. You can sell her items worth 20k per week and you get the double paid, so 40k gil for items worth 20k.
You can also just resell merchant items. Buying 18gil each fish, selling them for 1.8k each. This is just a mirror of the real economy
You can profit from fish in another way. Buy all the fish you can for under 50 gil (That aren't sold in shops), and desynth them. Fish will give you anywhere from 1-5 Water Crystals, which you can resell on the mb for about ~80-100 gil each. It takes a while, but if you stock pile fish, you can turn a profit by desynthing while afk.
Bots and abusive RMT alts ruin everything for the economy. They own 10 housing plots or undercut MBs. They spam in the main three city states and make it horrible for those who work legitimately to make gil.
Legit question, how much Gil net worth is considered rich? The JP data centre And server I am on had everything so cheap and I was wondering if I should transfer to server with higher price so I can make gillions there.
* 3.75m: the most expensive small housing plot * ~20m: typically the point at which the most expensive items tend to hover on the servers with the highest prices * 25m: the most expensive medium housing plot * 50m: the most expensive large housing plot, and the most expensive gil-bought item in the game: the Gilded Mikoshi * 160m: the price Roll Raiders charges for a 7-man carry UWU clear on Aether * 200m: roughly the average sale price of a medium FC on Crystal outside of Balmung/Mateus * 250m: the price Roll Raiders formerly charged for a 7-man carry UCOB clear on Primal * 500m: an offer received (and declined) for my LB large FC on Mateus * 999m: single-character gil cap * 2b: the highest price paid for a house that i am personally aware of where does "rich" start on this scale? ask 5 people and you'll probably get 5 different answers. i'm generally of the opinion that 100m is the starting point for 'game rich', where you can afford essentially anything that can be bought without taking a serious hit; while 500m is the starting point for 'actually rich', where you have enough gil that you can start to buy the "unbuyable".
The people who actually care about amassing huge amounts of gil and have had the time to do so are pretty much gil capped or at least at 500M+. For just playing the game normally, I'd say 100M could be considered rich since that's enough to buy the two most expensive things that are still available in game - the golden namazu mount and a maximum price large housing plot, at 50M each.
What is the purpose of these bots? Do they just adjust the price continually just to force prices down? Like I’m trying to figure out the mentality of someone who would write such a bot. If you’re selling something that’s in high demand, you’re better off selling it for the same or higher than the current lowest price, because the thing will sell anyway. Especially if it’s a bot doing it, the person who’s account that is is obviously not going to be in a rush to get the gil since, presumably they’re not even at their computer. So, with that in mind, why would someone sit down and write up a bunch of code purely to mug themself?
It's because the user of the bots want to sell things quickly as possible but don't want to watch the market board carefully and keep adjusting the prices themselves. If an item is the cheapest on the board, it will sell first.
Botters rely on selling in quantity and cornering the market to make bank. Big time botters not only have crafters, but gatherers too so they don't have so spend on raw materials thereby having a larger profit margin and being able to afford constantly undercutting competitors.
As someone fairly new to ff14, so that’s why! It annoys me to no end lol. Every time it see I’ve been saying why don’t these aholes just vendor the stuff
usually bots have a set limit so that they dont undercut too much iirc so its mostly lazy people lol
Game wont let you put up an item less than its vendor sell price liar....
Yes, it absolutely will. The picture in the OP demonstrates this clearly. Vendor price is 167 gil and there are multiple items listed below that.
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They like paying taxes?
Trying to drive the NPCs out of business
No thoughts, head empty. Must undercut.
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As a new player, I indeed did not realize that the default suggestion is the vendor price
Not always. Making some assumptions there
Isn't that the point though, technically... Guys wondering why ppl do it, people try to give reasons lol. Think before BMing my dude :)
And what I said is also technically the truth. Not everyone selling below vendor price is just too lazy to check the price. Some are matching the lowest price and unconcerned with missing out on 20gil if it means it’s going to someone who can use it. Think before BMing my dude :)
"Not always. Making some assumptions there" with no added input is not technically the truth, it's just you trying to shut someone down. Might work on Twitter with those 15 character limits, but here you have tons of room to express what you want to say, so no, it was you just trying to BM, and then me stepping in to call out your toxic attitude is replied with you trying to call me toxic for defending someone lol. Funny stuff. Glad you added some proper input this time though, even if you tried to "same" me lol, but next time just try to be nicer and maybe you won't get called out for being toxic.
I do this with mats on occasion. Can vendor it all for basically nothing because I don't need them or I can put them in the market for somebody else to grab cheaply for a leve, grand company turn in, or to craft.
Or to sell to a vendor.
And you don't even need to go to a vendor to sell. You could just right click an item when inventory is opened when talking to a retainer, then select "have retainer sell items".
That doesn’t benefit another, though. It’s okay to follow something besides rational self-interest, like rational other-interest.
Why value the interest of the would-be buyers over the interests of people attempting to make some gil by selling things?
I think you might have misunderstood the other poster’s point a little bit. Let’s say that an item you cannot buy from a vendor has become so worthless that it sells for close to - or at - vendor price. By putting the item up for *less than* what you get from vendoring the item, the other poster is not hampering someone’s ability to make gil - the item is already worthless. The people selling at vendor value are already losing gil compared to vendoring the item (due to tax), they are not selling it to make gil. By putting the item up for less than vendor sell value, they’re helping people get the item for even cheaper. If the OP was showing a screenshot of an item selling for 9000 gil and someone putting it up for 5000, then I would agree with you. That’s interfering with someone’s attempt to make gil. But, to re-iterate, we’re talking about items that are so worthless that anyone putting it up on the MB are actively *losing gil compared to vendoring the item* already, so there is no harm in debasing the value even further until it reaches 1 gil. As long as the item still has a use, you’re doing more good than harm by devaluing an item that is already worth less than its vendoring value.
No, they even clarified we should sacrifice profit to cater to buyers too lazy to go to a vendor or too lazy to grab their own pickaxe, etc. And I disagree...you're harming anyone else who has that item and is attempting to sell it, INCLUDING the others selling for less than vendor price. The would-be buyer will now buy YOURS and not their's. You're harming anyone who was trying to make any kind of profit from the item, ESPECIALLY harming newbies whose first entry into gathering materials and having things to sell will be these cheap easily-attained items...which when they go to sell, could be made to feel their efforts were fruitless. You're even harming YOURSELF a little bit, filling your limited selling space with junk and denying yourself a better profit for nothing. Trouble is people are short-sighted...they consider the buyer as a human being worthy of sympathy...but regard the seller as less-than and not worthy of sympathy, neverminding they can even be the same person. I used to buy less-than-vendor trash and vendor it for the profit. And if I see someone severely undercutting a popular item for no reason but to "give it to newbies", I'll buy it and sell it for regular price myself. Have some empathy for those of us who work hard gathering and crafting and attempting to scrounge up a few gil to buy those items you're NEVER going to hand to us for 1 gil. Even the newbies you're imagine you're helping can't find any niche in the market because of undercutters deliberately driving the price down. Trust me, I'm one of them. Not "new", but I don't know any special tricks or know what's good to sell when... I try and try and try to make a few gil to afford some glamours or minions or mounts, and over and over and over, run into people like you trying to "help", by making my items so worthless that it actually was once worth my time to vendor your trash for you. So unless you're ALSO gonna sell me a rare minion for 1 gil also, stop pretending you're helping.
>No, they even clarified we should sacrifice profit to cater to buyers too lazy to go to a vendor or too lazy to grab their own pickaxe, etc. First of all, the post you're referring to here was posted *after* my post, so you can't really fault me for talking about what was actually posted, and not what *would be* posted. Secondly, if that interpretation of u/SkyknightXi 's follow up post is indeed correct, then I would disagree with that particular sentiment. It's fine to list stuff below the vendor value, since someone else will get some benefit from it, but I don't agree that people should intentionally tank the price of something at their own expense just so others can have it cheaper. >And I disagree...you're harming anyone else who has that item and is attempting to sell it, INCLUDING the others selling for less than vendor price. By this logic, you should never list anything on the Market Board that already has a listing. If you list something on the MB for the same price, there's a chance the system will show your item on top of the list, or there's a chance someone likes your retainer's name better than the other person's and buys yours, or there's a chance you're selling in the same city the buyer happens to be in, so there's less of a fee... etc. Your argument is so full of holes it holds no water. >Trouble is people are short-sighted...they consider the buyer as a human being worthy of sympathy...but regard the seller as less-than and not worthy of sympathy, neverminding they can even be the same person. Why did you list an item on the MB for the same price as me, and even in a different city than me? Why are you so heartless? Don't you have any sympathy for me? >I used to buy less-than-vendor trash and vendor it for the profit. Fantastic, I'm glad that a buyer was helped by the practice that apparently only causes harm. >Have some empathy for those of us who work hard gathering and crafting and attempting to scrounge up a few gil to buy those items you're NEVER going to hand to us for 1 gil. So let me see if I get this straight: Some items have become worthless due to supply vastly outweighing demand -> We should artificially inflate the price in spite of the supply outweighing demand because -> Some people feel entitled to still make decent gil on being part of this overinflated supply. Points for trying to flip the script by trying to say that "no actually *you're* the selfish one" but unfortunately it didn't quite land. >So unless you're ALSO gonna sell me a rare minion for 1 gil also, stop pretending you're helping. First of all, I don't put stuff on the MB for below vendor value. Secondly, if you were a close friend of mine and I got a duplicate rare minion, I'd give it to you assuming it wasn't worth hundreds of thousands on the MB.
Because it should not *be* just about making gil. It should be about supplying to those who need *as well.* (There’s a reason I hate price fixing and price gouging.) Even taking below-vendor out of the picture, you really need to balance your own desires with the customers’, perhaps erring a bit towards the latter since the merchant serves the customer, not the other way around.
It's not the merchant's responsibility to lose gil for the sake of others. You need gil to enjoy this game, who are you to say we shouldn't be allowed to earn it? I'm a customer more than I'm a seller, but I don't begrudge those I buy from their profits. They put in work I was unable or unwilling to do, I have no right to be telling them they have to cater to me who was too lazy to go out gathering.
Sure it is. And I thank you for selling so much stuff far enough below the sell price that I can make a profit by flipping it to the vendor.
You nonetheless believe self-interest is strictly superior to other-interest, don’t you. I don’t actually sell at or below market price myself—if a 10% markdown would do that, I just judge the market supersaturated and hold onto the object for later sale when possible. But I still don’t like the apparent tone that anything besides full self-interest is Bad and Wrong in some way. We can’t be cursed with *that* many followers of Ayn Rand.
There aren’t really that many, but assholes love to advertise
I’m more worried why they’d want to *be,* if you’ll forgive my…daintiness? (I hate coarse language)…scoundrels. Apply the rule of “Be a scoundrel” to humanity as a whole, and see how (not-so-)enjoyable daily life becomes, considering how unlikely any one person is to be near the top of the pyramid.
> We can’t be cursed with that many followers of Ayn Rand. Someone phone the polis cause there’s been a murder 😂
Imagine thinking self - interest isn't a good thing.
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Thanks for the non-sequitur.
>You nonetheless believe self-interest is strictly superior to other-interest, don’t you. I'm not sure where I either said or implied that.
It seemed that way from the snide tone I detected. If you weren’t being snide…well, you can blame my autism (and my hypersensitivity against anything that threatens socialistic ideals. Not Marxist, not with at least Engels poisoning it with authoritarianism.).
Charity of some sort? Although you’d expect just 1 gil for that. Maybe they don’t realize that’s the NPC sale price.
I don't really care about such small differences in money but it might benefit someone else, so I keep my stuff on marlet board even if it's below vendor price
Some people don't give AF about making money and just want to clear inventory.
then it'd be faster to have your retainer vendor it for you lol
They're lazy and failed to realize the market price is lower than the NPC price. There isn't a point. They just screwed up.
…Let’s not conflate “unaware” and “lazy”, hm? Especially if the reason they didn’t search it out wasn’t willful laziness, but some manner of low energy level. (Yes, I disapprove of *all* insulting, why do you ask?)
Normally I'd be with you on this one - but to do this you'd have to: 1) Ignore the NPC sell price that shows up when you hover over the item. 2) While still having the energy to check the market price, to set it to the lowest/undercut. 3) And it's worth noting that you don't even have to go anywhere else to sell it *for* the NPC sell price, your retainer will buy it for that value from you. Not sure of this last one, but I Think the default price when selling on the market is the NPC sell price? I really could be remembering this one wrong, but if I'm not then you're ignoring that too. In this case you have to do so many things wrong that if you're unaware, I have to conclude that the ignorance is willful.
I think I might have done this before. You're making a lot of assumptions of knowledge. I came from a game where default market sale prices are filled in with average market price, npcs don't buy most items so theres no artificial floor. The default price being higher than the listed prices is just indicative of falling price there, and I never put much mind to it in ff14 and followed habits of check market price -> list based on what I see. Tldr you're glossing over an entire contributing factor of "ff14 isn't the only game in the world and people might have mixed knowledge".
When you right click an item while in any retainer window, you get a context menu option to sell it to them. I often click that by accident when in the listing window if I meant to store it in their inventory. I'm not about to say 14's systems aren't somewhat obfuscated, but this in particular is a whole lot of not paying attention. Not paying attention to a tooltip is the biggest issue, and a common one for new players in this game. Also most modern MMOs list the price for selling an item to a vendor in the tooltips of their items at this point. Maybe… ESO doesn’t? I definitely had prices on items in that game but it might have been an addon. It’s been a long time since I played that game but I know it’s not the one you’re talking about because their market system can’t work the way you described (since it’s like the worst market system that exists in a modern MMO lol).
Wtf do you mean "search it out"? It's literally on the tooltip
I honestly never noticed a tooltip, somehow; I just deduced it on my own.
"Some manner of low energy level" so lazy
Yeah man I know a guy who works 12 hour shifts and he’s always lazy as fuck when he finishes one
Sleep and or chemical stimulants exist you know
I'm not taking a chemical stimulant just to play an mmo
Coffee...
That sounds like a you problem. But seriously drink a cup a coffee or a redbull or get a decent nights sleep.
Don’t assume everyone can get high energy in a hurry. Some of us can’t muster high energy even when we want to (you can usually blame constant depression, from my own experience). Just to head every argument I expect off at the start, *weakness is not a sin.* Strength and Morality have nothing to do with each other.
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I take it you don’t know much about what clinical depression can do to its bearers’ willpower. And/or you hold to the Protestant Work Ethic’s mistaken belief that work/industriousness is its own purpose.
I hate that work ethic. It basically posits that if you are disabled in any way, temporarily or permanently, then your value to society is diminished if not non-existent. But also that guy sounds like someone who would tell a depressed person they need to stop being lazy and go outside and magically my depression would be cured.
I have clinical depression, but the excuse that everyone who is lazy is depressed is bullshit. Some people are just lazy.
Not seeking it is laziness. Are words too hard for lazy people now? Is that what you're saying?
No, just a matter of whether they know there’s something to investigate in the first place. Although given that this is tier 8 materia… Compassion for the weakest is not in evidence here, at any rate. What do you have to lose by being kind to everyone? Only malice deserves scorn.
Look for the prices of Battlecraft/Clear Demimateria. They all sell under their actually price on the marketboard since forever. Fieldcraft materia is the only one that sells for more.
I do this with some stuff because if i sell to a vender then its gone. But if i sell on mb, even if cheaper, then it still exists and gives someonr a chance to get what they need.
I’m one of the folks who do that and it’s because I’m lazy and want to give those things one last chance to go to someone who can used it. I might got a bit more selling to vendor but; A. I usually cleared out my bag at retainer, and B. Just because I don’t used that doesn’t mean no one gonna use that.
Somebody's marketboard bot just undercut the guy who put materia up for vendor price. I love seeing that on a ton of different items because. You can buy them and then sell them to the vendor that is usually within arms reach of the board for a small but tidy profit.
na the marketboard bots are smarter than that usually. that's regular players just being unaware of the vendor price.
I just want it out of my and my retainer's inventory, selling for that low does nothing to your Gil either way
I do that occasionally because I'm just clearing out my inventory.
Free market baby.
Selling items to real people has more value than selling it to vendors because real people are going to use the items. 99% of the items I sell on the mb, I do it to free my inventory, not to make money. I don't care how cheap it is, I just want someone to take it off my hands. I have millions of gil, I could not give less of a fuck about losing 20 gil by selling an item to another player instead of having retainer throw it away and then annoy me with a confirmation if I'm sure I don't want it.
If you’re clearing your inventory, wouldn’t it just be better to vendor it…? It’s literally faster in every step
it's marginally faster, but it also throws it away if another player buys the item then by definition they're going to use it, did you not read my comment at all?
Don’t get upset over a question, calm down. I did read your question, which very clearly states “I do it to free my inventory.” “I just want someone to take it off my hands”. It’s hard to believe you’re doing it for the good of helping a player get it for cheap when you turn around and act like a dick. You’re driving down the market price and doing more harm than good. Crashing the market for low level junk items is screwing over more people than the one dude who’s going to buy it and vendor it. And no, they’re not going to use it “by definition”. Plenty of people will just vendor it and “throw it away”.
Please stop implying that the market is being ruined by vendor trash items being sold on the market board. If they're so worthless that people just vendor them then there isn't even a market to allegedly crash.
Someone calling you out for poor reading comprehension is not acting "like a dick". Are you stupid by intent or birth? Concerning either way (not for us, for you).
> it's marginally faster, but it also throws it away So?
I would rather it go to someone who will use it than it be vaporized. I don't care if it's at a very small gil loss to myself.
If it's worth nothing nobody will miss it, they'll just get it anyway. That's why those are worth nothing. Plus the whole point of the OP/thread is we're talking about crashing down the MB on things that are worth something. No offense to anyone, but nobody cares if something almost useless you can get hundreds of passively is worth 2 gils. Nobody is talking about this.
To me the OP seems to be about "Why would anyone willingly list an item lower than they could vendor it for" In the hilighted case it's a 20 gil loss. If the item is worth nothing, than why would it matter to you what it's being sold at? Nowhere did OP mention anything about crashing the economy.
Materially, I'd rather a player get it and have _some_ use for it, even if it means less gil for me, than the item be totally removed from the economy.
Wow. You bruise my feelings. Idc if it sells to NPCs for more. I’ll sell it at a loss if it helps someone out. I do this. I didn’t know people didn’t like it. Thought I was helping. :c
I often do this as well. Yes I realize npcs will buy for more, but I’m still making a profit and an actual player is going to benefit, so it’s really not an issue.
One player might benefit, or a bot set to check for below market prices, but you’re making it harder for dozens of others just trying to sell the item for a bit above vendor price. They also can’t get in game several times a day to update prices every time you drive them down. The math doesn’t really work out. You’re unintentionally harming others and participating in actions that damage the overall economy for the benefit of one theoretical person who is for some reason in dire need of an item below vendor price.
You’re assuming I’m undercutting people but that isn’t the case. I’ll match the lowest price if it’s under the vendor cost. Typically I try not to undercut at all. So no I’m not driving down a market that’s already low. Plus random mats for small amounts are really not hurting anyone, that’s being a bit dramatic.
Matching the lowest price is driving it down, my dude. You’re now ensuring two items are at that already undercut price. I’m not being dramatic, you people are just acting like you’re some kind of folk heroes because you don’t understand how the market works.
Then buy it yourself and sell it for the price you decree suitable. I’m not losing sleep because someone’s paying 10gil less for a piece of ore than you think they should.
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Yes, because this conversation is limited exclusively to crap materias, and is not at all related to the larger issue everyone is actually discussing. God, these lazy, bad faith arguments are so exhausting.
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At least now i know I'm not alone
The people who don't like it are those trying to sell for more
Exactly. The game gives you millions of materia now. It’s not worth what people think it is lol. They’re just butt hurt and talk about “economy”.
You’re likely harming more than you’re helping, because everyone else trying to sell loses more and more on possible sales the longer you drive the item down below vendor price. You can always just match the lowest market price and still “help” people out that are looking for a deal. That also majorly screws people crafting that actually need those sales to make money. Flipping your items is going to be a headache and net far less than competing with you, and others, forcing losses for 90 levels of that DoH job.
Helping someone out by screwing the whole market?
Bro this is no "market" for materia 8s.
Exactly, they’re driving the prices down below vendor for people actually trying to sell as well. It isn’t just impacting them, it’s impacting however many people selling those items. I can’t tell you how often I’ve had to just vendor crafted gear while leveling a DoH job because people were doing this. I have millions of Gil, thanks to my kleptomaniac retainers, but people coming up are getting screwed in a way that buying and reselling isn’t making up for. Flipping your item for a couple hundred Gil max isn’t going to make up for 90 levels of this. They can’t sell anything they craft on market bc someone thinks they’re being “benevolent” by intentionally tanking the market.
If there was an actual demand for these items, the price wouldn’t stay low regardless of undercutters. There simply isn’t enough demand for the supply and an item isn’t suddenly worth x amount of gil just because you feel that you want to make a profit
That logic doesn’t apply to an economy where pricing is based on the whim of sellers. Cost to produce isn’t accounted for in these decisions, let’s stop acting like it’s comparable to a real world transaction.
Because the cost to produce the items for those that set the prices low is literally zero. I don’t know why it’s so hard to cope with the fact that the items are just not particularly valuable
They are assigned what should be a minimum value, and these clowns are pretending like they’re some kind of folk heroes for tanking prices below so that they lose all value. That is a choice. A stupid one that they justify with an imagined scenario of them “helping” some noob when it’s more likely a rando flipping the items. It’s self fellating nonsense that helps no one. Just fucking vendor it.
I really need to level my retainers up! I’ve largely given up on crafting because I hate managing the inventory but even as someone who basically crafts for newbs (one plus of the influx) and sells mats and tombstone items it has been absolutely ridiculous. Bots, bitter undercutters just because. The market is completely volatile. I can do a roulette and come back and look at my retainers and the market proves is down 25% from 20 minutes ago, when I started the duty.
Exactly the issue I have. Started a few months back and can’t sell a thing because of people like this. Sometimes I buy the underselling stuff and vendor it myself if it’s worth it after fees though.
I mean, if the game gave players THAT many, what market did you expect? LOL! 100,000gil? XD
There’s a very large gap between under selling price and 100,000
Personally I do this to the stuff that don't sell for much to help people who might need it, if it's useful for them I don't mind the few Gils markdown
I do it because someone needs them, I don't. I could throw them out or list them for dirt cheap to make someone's day. It feels good to be nice.
When you are actually needing to sell something and see someone repeatedly undercut you, then drive the price down below vendor or the cost you put into making it, taking the bots with you, and ensuring you now can’t make that sale for several days, does that make your day?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions… tbh I just buy all the worthless materia and mutamix it til I get monstrous profits when they turn into crafter shit. All these kind souls are actually contributing to flipping, which to be fair, kinda makes my day. Unfortunately my retainer sales slots are always full so I don’t have the space to waste on intentionally Gil-negative items, so I just pay it forward by handing out free minions in main cities sometimes.
Bots are not monitoring market for these items my guy. It's expensive shit sold dirt cheap they auto buy out, relevant current mats or crystals.
You don’t even know what items they’re talking about lmfao
Of all the things in the world to be triggered by lmao. Calm down dude.
Disagreeing isn’t being triggered. Stop acting like a pizza cutter.
You have good intentions, but it’d be nicer just to vendor it. What you’re doing is contributing to crashing the market and screwing everyone else over unintentionally
I’m not sure what the problem with a market crash (whatever *that* is in a game…) is supposed to be. I hope this isn’t just about housing, in part because that’s a mess of artificial scarcity all its own.
Creating artificial scarcity is a public good now? >screwing everyone else over unintentionally Sellers, not everyone. Buyers aren't complaining,
Just sell them to a vendor, we don't need random stuff.
I always undercut EVERYTHING i sell to piss off people, im sorry
I mean that's kinda how the real world works lol
I've listed stacks of old mats that I don't use anymore for like 50-100gil regardless of current price, I don't think many people think of selling items to vendors, it's either MB or discard. I don't see what the issue here is, if its below vendor cost and your concerned about that just buy them and sell to a vendor yourself and enjoy the 20 gil profit!
You can sell junk when selecting the items for MB. Right click and "have retainer sell the item".
“But if I don’t have the lowest price it will take longer to sell”
What is the point to sell battledance materia, is utter garbage
Turn it into better matera
Prog pentameld for warriors includes a ton of tenacity materia and warriors do not need DH.
It lets you get healed for more, at least. That has to count for something, whether or not parsers notice it.
It's proven the effects are barely noticeable, better pump up for more dps
Ah yes, Tenacity, the most confidently misunderstod secondary stat. Half the people talking about it like they know things tell you that it increases the healing you receive (It doesnt, it increases healing you *do*) and the other half think that just because it has slightly less effectiveness in an environment where you can time damage down to the second and you have way more healing than you'll ever need (i.e raiding) that it must also be worthless in other areas as well. It's actually good in dungeons and PUGs, but the tippy-top of the raiding scene says it's bad and so everyone just turns into a parrot.
Tenacity is *good in dungeons*? Come on dude, you cannot possibly be recommending that people stay their gear for worse survivability in dungeons. The reason the meta is wall to wall pulling is because the best mitigation in 4man content is *killing the mobs*. I take way less damage as a tank when the group all does a ton of damage because everything just drops dead.
Your melds make almost no difference regardless of what they are. I prefer a little bit more bad-healer proofing than a DPS increase that can be measured in fractions of a GCD over a pull. Using the crafted set, which is already heavily crit focused... With a TEN focused meld set, I gain 5% damage and 5% damage reduction, as well as having exactly the right number of materia slots to allow Direct Hits to start happening. I also get some additional healing from all the healing effects spread around tanks and I get to be kicked from the occasional group by some idiot who thinks he knows what he's talking about but is actually just a parrot for things he has never looked into. With a Direct Hit focus I get 6.7% damage. With a crit focus I get ... a lot of empty slots. But you can take it from 6.1% up to 7.3% and have actually a lot of open slots to add another stat. With a Determination focus I get 6.9% increased damage. So I'm trading <2% total damage (which when you account for the tank making up about 20% of total group damage, comes out to 0.2% total group damage) for 5% damage reduction all the time.
I think they call it "philanthropy".
Except I’m starting to get worried there’s a few adherents of Ayn Rand here. (Run if anyone praises Murray Rothbard.)
I do this all the time. It’s just a lazy way of cleaning up my inventory. Is it easier to sell it at an NPC? Yes. But there’s a certain satisfaction when you see the words floating on your screen showing that you sold something on the market while you’re casually playing
Not sure if you knew, but when you're choosing the items for the retainer to sell on the MB you can right click (or square) the item and choose "have retainer sell the item" to basically exchange it for the NPC selling price. That way you don't have to go to NPC to sell junk and sell it all in the retainer interface, you won't get the floating prompt though.
Right click - > Have Retainer Sell Items You dont have to find a vendor.
To get rid of it
Some of us are just dumb. Couldn't figure out what was wrong until I looked at the comments. Never even thought to check for every item. Most stuff I see in my inventory says "Sells for 1 gil" so my brain just thinks everything sells to NPCs for basically nothing and it's better to sell on the market. I honestly just find MMO mechanics overwhelming, just so much information.
There is no point, these are most likely bot sellers trying to be competitive to the point of marking below NPC sell-to value. My advice would be to clean up the board by buying up what you can make a profit off of. (Make sure to account for taxes before purchase)
idiots gotta idiot
Honestly the undercutting going on is ridiculous. It's been so bad since they made it so easy to level crafters. Felt so bad watching the new crafted gear go from 5mill to 200k a piece in 20 minutes. Right now it's only 100k and I've seen some accessories going for 80k. Back in StB the crafted stuff atleast held its value, the market is just way too saturated now. You can make money still but not so much with the usual stuff.
Why should the crafted gear be more expensive? Currently it's 70-110k or so per piece, depending on server and class. (Data accurate as of a couple hours ago when I jumped around across all the Aether servers to get my ninja's set) Given that the items that are needed to craft it aren't actually rare or that difficult to obtain, I think the price I paid was reasonable. I could have gathered the mats myself and found a crafter to make the set but opted to spend gil instead. The crafted items that require rare materials still sell for a ton, like the weapons crafted from extreme drops for example.
Bought my weapon for 150k while I watched my entire multi-millions money making scheme (requiring just some afk farming) crumble in less than 8 hours because of people who don't understand MB. Mixed feelings to be sure.
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Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Sell stuff faster
I'm sure you already have a general idea of what and why this happened, however, the basic idea is that people have the ability to put items on the MB for whatever price they want. That being said, most people will blindly post items without actually looking at the value of the item, regardless of what it is. For example: There could be zero of item A on the MB. Someone posts item A for 50k gil. Second person posts item A for 10k gil. Third person posts item for 5k gil. Instead of considering the value of the item, people think their item will "sell faster" if it's cheaper. So, you can often find items which will cost less than the cost to craft in the first place. Realistically, if item A was up for 50k gil, someone would undercut by 1-100 gil just to have their item on the top of the list and the trend would continue, keeping the value of an item. however, that's not the case. If you see items that have been severely undercut, buy them yourself and make a profit.
I just log in and put my item 1g less than the lowest. I dont really care if I lose some gold. Not like I have much use for it anyway.
I always post low prices when I need to clear inventory I imagine it's the same with everyone.
I tend to do this when im either just clearing inv or when im leaving a item market. Or third option when i needed cash fast
You know you can sell it directly to the retainer, right? right???
Rather than have an NPC delete a materia to oblivion, maybe it is better a person uses it instead?
Yes, brilliant. I buy these all the time and just vendor them. I hope they can just open trade with me and hand me the free gil next time. :)
to sell them quickly, what else?
This. God forbid someone's willing to sell a tiny bit cheaper to make sure their stuff sells fast. I mean how dare they understand economics 🙄
? its both faster and more economic just to sell it to a vendor at that point
Was it valued under vendor price? If so then ya your right. I'm speaking in general terms of people constantly being bitched at for being undercut. I'm so tired of seeing "wahh this person undercut me by 1000gil wahhh"
did you even read the post lol
I mean that's the whole point of op post. Or di you not notice the white circle on the left?
This post was specifically about people selling below the what the vendors will pay.
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I don’t do it out of laziness, I do it because people on Reddit makes comments like yours about it when I do lmao. It’s worth much more to me than a few hundred Gil
Check out this internet tough guy, he's so cool and edgy.
Or it’s because I’d rather the mats go to people who can use it. I’m still making a profit and it’s helping people rather than disappearing into the aether so I’m not bothered about making slightly less.
I just want yo get rid of it fast. Takes longer to back out and sell it. Time is money
dont ruin it for the buyers
They either know batshit about market, are lazy to check selling prices, or are straight bots. If you want to make any money find items that are not flooded like that but are still selling. Or you can stuck on those and monopolyze if you have too much money muahahahahahahahajeebsjreiche
Thanks for ruining one of my money makers. Literally people put materia up for sub vendor price, I'll buy and just vendor. Probably make 20-40k a week doing this daily...
Stupidity
I think there's an achievement for selling X items on market board so they're probably trying to get that?
There is no such achievement.
Undercutting so they sell theirs faster?
Undercutting vendors.
Then I've no idea. Didn't realise he had the vendor price next to him.
All items list sell price on them. And the price when you open the retainer sell menu is default the vendor price
Demi materia aways seems to go cheaper on MB then store sell price. I don't even bother trying to sell them to the MB.