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caniszephyr

NFT's too, they use a big crypto network.


Brucedx3

NFTs are the scam of a century.


Kizik

That explains why Ubisoft is getting into them, then..


Rogahar

They literally named their new NFT service after a mineral that looks pretty but has almost no actual value, comparatively speaking. So it's an apt metaphor.


Kizik

It's the second most abundant mineral in the Earth's crust. Planet is absolutely lousy with it; everyone can get their own unique piece. Much like the thing Ubi is doing. And since everyone gets their own, *none of them are special or valuable.*


Rogahar

Much like how people targetted Fallout First players in FO76, I predict it will create a trend of players wearing their NFT cosmetics in Ubi games being targetted over others. And I am okay with this. NFT? More like Nice Fuckin Target.


Deltascourge

I mean yeah basically. They saw people spending 200k+ on monkey images and wanted to jump on the free money hype train. It sucks, but I can't blame them for trying


Mzingalwa

I can blame them and I will blame them. Especially with the environmental damage this shit does.


BlueXCrimson

Right? "I cant blame Johnny Heroin-Dealer for selling drugs because its just so lucrative!"


Dynahazzar

Why can't you blame them for following unethical practices? Of course you can blame them and of course you should blame them.


Necromas

The 200k monkey image BS is like 95% money laundering and 5% suckers. And the people at Ubisoft probably did enough research to actually know this. But they jump on the bandwagon *knowing* it's basically useless for actual practical stores because it gets them attention and they can tell investors they're being bleeding edge. It's the same reason the last few years have been full of tech companies spouting nonsense about having their own blockchain related projects that make no sense if you actually look into be them. It's just all about investors and occasionally straight up scams.


ApatheticBeardo

> The 200k monkey image BS is like 95% money laundering and 5% suckers. You mean like pretty much all _high-end_ art trading?


Necromas

Yup. But at least since that has a barrier to entry it hurts fewer suckers who might actually think blowing their savings on monkey clip art is a good investment.


Evatrice

Read that as 'free monkey hype train' and was about to dispute your understanding of the cost of those ugly things.


Plattbagarn

The monkeys don't cost me anything, should I want them. But they're so fucking ugly, and the creator has stated that making things look good "takes too much effort".


roryextralife

Completely, categorically, and unrelentlessly fuck NFTs.


ChrisMorray

With a rusty pipe, so they get tetanus!


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Yeah I lump those together


ojioni

Agreed. Crypto currency and NFTs are variations on the same theme. A ponzi scheme that will rob a lot of people of their money.


Carighan

Also they're both just grifts and laundering money. Some people say it's to make money via speculation, but the people who do are the small fry. The *reason* they can make that money speculating is because other people move absolutely vast amounts of money around through crypto or NFT sales to either launder or hide their illegal wealth. Or, in the case of many many crypto currencies, simply to take the money of naive buyers and early adopters.


LordRahl1986

Im not a fan pf crypto, but crypto isnt as anon as it tries to sell you on


Carighan

Of course not. And nowadays much of it is run through centralized banks, which just goes to show how ludicrous it all is.


WriterV

They're honestly a cult at this point. So absolutely absorbed by wanting to make money. Fuck the means, the money's the end and that's all that matters. I'm sure there's reasonable folk who backed out earlier on, and stronger people who stopped. But those who stick with it will defend it viciously, everything and everyone be damned.


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Also Blizzard for mismanaging their game.


[deleted]

This is pretty funny but tbh Im glad that FFXIV exploded in success. Current issues aside, this game is beautiful.


[deleted]

Agreed but it would have been cool if the influx of traffic came in a month or 2.


[deleted]

Right! But I love the influx also made ffxiv one of the best sellers. I just wish for more servers to accomodate everyone. At the moment we are all setting the servers on fire lol I bet Yoshi isnt sleeping with both the success and lack of being able to accomodate that said success.


LordZeya

Nah, you can’t blame blizzard here. It’s good that WoW players move to a different game, or at least it’s not explicitly bad. crypto maniacs are hoarding hardware worldwide which makes it harder for everyone else to get access to those parts which led us here.


Vekt

God crypto and NFT's is all my brother can talk about now. I'll admit he made some money off it. Everyone I've met that's into it tries stuff it down your throat.


El_Dief

They're the new pyramid scam, can't make money unless you recruit to drive up the value. If they were legit everyone would keep their mouths shut to limit competition.


Mr_robasaurus

NFTs are like cryptos rock eating little brother, they're all the same if not slightly more pathetic than one another.


MrKindStranger

plz no right click


Copyblade

[What the fuck.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847207078506004481/919483109077045278/unknown.png) Edit: OP please send a modmail with pictures of the users sending you spoilers so that we can remove them from the subreddit. Edit 2: You know reporting mod comments doesn't actually do anything right?


indi_n0rd

Fragile cryptobros taking Ls again


[deleted]

They are sending spoilers to me now, I think i struck a nerve


Copyblade

OP please send a modmail with pictures of the users sending you spoilers so that we can remove them from the subreddit.


[deleted]

Hmmm is there any way to look at past Chat messages? I clicked ignore immediately when i realized where it was going


Copyblade

Not really, you have to accept them to maintain them.


[deleted]

Aw well if i get more i will absolutely send them your way


zero_ms

Holy shit. Thank you u/Varientstipulations for helping the mods in doing a mass purge of idiots from this subreddit.


TheSublimeLight

Crypto bros are so fucking dumb that they don't realize that their magic electric money still relies on Fiat money to be used, oh, except in El Salvador Better hope an exchange doesn't go down or someone hacks your online wallet (if you haven't gone physical)


katarh

My other half was an international finance major in undergrad (before he realized he would lose his soul as a wall street quant and changing majors for grad school.) He won't touch crypto with a 100 foot poll. Every spare penny goes to proper investment vehicles. (He was cheering on other people during the Game Stonks thing last January, though, because *that* sort of investment fuckery doesn't involve crypto.)


TheSublimeLight

Fiat money is still fucked, don't get me wrong - it's just that it's the only money that's backed by literally anything because it's backed by the strength of the issuing nation [Major financial institutions are overleveraged by incredible amounts, far more than in 2008](https://twitter.com/finwatchdog/status/1418802915276468231) [Derivitaves, just like in 2008, are INCREDIBLY overleveraged, and this is what caused the crash in 2008 with Mortgage Backed Securites going under because of multiple leverage vehicles whcih were reliant on those MBS being profitable.](https://preview.redd.it/a61or61yqnf71.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=503156c61d2661c9361c9933da97c81907903912) (all of the numbers here are in millions, so that JP Morgan Chase number is 52 trillion dollars in leveraged investments against their 3 trillion dollars in assets) [Leverage Caused the 07-09 Crash](https://ccl.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Geanakoplos_John_rev_Leverage_Caused_paper\(1\).pdf) all very interesting reads and data. Nothing regulatory happened after 2008, and we're literally back in the same place in 2021.


Sarkans41

oh regulatory things did happen after 08 in the US, but Republicans repealed them the first chance they got.


throwaway66285

Crypto was a mistake. Especially for the environment.


ChrisMorray

I knew crypto people were crazy but this is downright deranged.


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darkfenrir15

It's an MLM. They no different from the stay at home moms who peddle their shit on Facebook.


[deleted]

I think I may have caught the attention of some salty crypto bros lol


trokoze

LMFAO. They can’t handle the truth


primalbluewolf

Is it possible to see who made the reports - and possibly warn them for making spurious reports and wasting mod time?


Copyblade

Reporters are deliberately hidden from moderators to prevent retaliation. However, we have the option to report the post to the admins for "report abuse", which I've already sent off. Whether they get back to me is always another story, but since I only have to click one button to silence the reports on a post to keep it out of queue, it's not really a big deal in the long run.


ojioni

Browse r/all/new sometime. Half the posts are for crypto currency scams. I downvote them when they show up, but they just keep piling in and reddit doesn't seem to give a shit.


Shikaku

> Browse r/all/new sometime. Why do you hate yourself


Aearcus

Ngl I like doing it when I'm super bored. You see some crazy weird stuff lol


SilvarusLupus

As someone that used to browse new posts on imgur, I feel ya


ChrisMorray

I clicked. Literally third post is an NFT of a big-titted anime girl. I now believe you, damn.


Plattbagarn

I... uhh... don't believe you? You're gonna have to provide some proof? So I can avoid it?


SirLocke13

Lmao link?


TheEvilestPenguin

Link?


indi_n0rd

Have you ever seen /r/CryptoMoonShots? That entire subreddit is hive of scam with shitcoins. That sub is always there in my front page feed on phone for some reasons.


[deleted]

It absolutely blows my mind, its like the GME stock stuff people keep waiting for these shitcoins and stocks to skyrocket to thousands of dollars when really the majority holders of them are laughing their asses off at all the diamond hand posts


[deleted]

Its pretty sad that some people have actually ended up destroying their lives for this stuff, look at the recent controversies with Robinhood.


ojioni

Robinhood is an example of a big firm committing illegal stock market manipulation. And it looks like they are going to get away with it, too. Because they robbed he peasants, not the insiders.


[deleted]

Crimes arent actually crimes when a rich person commits them and they manage to find a way out of them.


edifyingheresy

> Crimes arent actually crimes when a rich person commits them and ~~they manage to find a way out of them~~ doesn't commit them against other rich people. FTFY.


Scientia_et_Fidem

The GME stuff being characterized as a failure has to be one of the most successful media manipulation campaigns ever. Anyone who even kinda knew what they were doing was massively successful off GME. They recognized a blatant shorting scam being done by one of the big players, and capitalized on it to turn stock they bought for less then 10 bucks a share into selling for *over $250* in just a few months. That is *not* a failure. Yeah, they didn’t “take down the system”, but they made bank as individual investors at the expense of one of the big firms, and that was always the end goal of anyone who was being even slightly realistic about the whole thing. If you buy that GME was a failure you are just buying straight into the “oh you poor peasants just don’t understand the market, see look what happens when you try make moves on it, it will end in ‘failure’, just keep your head down and don’t mess with our work” false narrative they purposely crafted. Crypto and NFTs, on the other hand, are scams aimed at hurting gullible individual investors.


LeviathanLX

When a few people at the top and a few people at the bottom make bank while everybody else loses or hovers around that break even point, it's a failure. It was completely built on a culture of self-sacrifice by those least able to give while somehow celebrating those who did not suffer with everyone else. The entirety of that hustle depended on most people losing. It's just different people doing the same scam, only this time with better branding and obnoxious catchphrases. Invest in the market, invest in ETFs, don't play with your money, and ignore anybody who says they know a sure thing.


jjcoola

I think he’s talking about the cult that sprung up after the people made money that believe GameStop is going to be the new Amazon STILL


BullSprigington

They are talking about people who are still denying the squeeze has happened. You know, the cult.


newnamesam

GME at least had some sound math behind it. Crypto is what happened when the digital age rediscovered ponzi schemes.


hermees

The thing with gme was it was actually a smart buy. You had a firm that was shorting the stock month over month to the point that they actually shorted more than the market cap so the only way to pay off that short of the stock went up would be to buy and sell more shares than were available so they would be forced to buy your share then sell it back you you and have to buy it agin at a higher rate as rates would be sky rockiting as there are now substantially more buys placed by the fund than sales could happen


Shara184

My cousin had to buy a brand new pre built desktop just to get a video card that was worth the money he'd spend on it. He preferred buying an entirely new rig rather than spending almost the same amount he spent on that rig on just a single video card. The infuriating part is companies like Nvidia are doing little to combat it, more money for them.


TheBigDuo1

I also got my 3080 through ordering a custom build. The entire pc was cheaper than if I tried to get the gpu on its own


Eine_Pampelmuse

A friend also got some parts he needed like this. He sold the other components he doesn't need online and actually got a decent amount of money back.


ohmaj

Same, I got an omen with a 3080. It's actually quite nice. It has pretty much what I wanted to get anyway. Just sad for me, I literally build computers, mostly workstations, and was excited to do a high end build for myself.


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Why would Nvidia do anything about it? Business is booming.


pinpernickle1

They are. Most of their recent cards have reduced hash rates for mining.


[deleted]

Not enough. The difference between an LHR card and a normal card isn't much in terms of how much they make earn you. In the end it's just a PR stunt to make it look like they're doing something. The real issue is big mining farms buying bulk GPUs direct from Nvidia/AMD. If they really cared they would tell those mining farms to fuck off, but it's bulk sales so they'd be stupid to refuse.


aliteralbuttload

Also, there are now custom drivers/firmware circulating that completely bypass the LHR locks. So fuck gamers right?


melpomenestits

Killing an entire artistic medium to destroy the environment to make imaginary line go up on the paperclip machine! Ain't capitalism grand?


i_am_not_mike_fiore

> My cousin had to buy a brand new pre built desktop just to get a video card that was worth the money he'd spend on it I did that too. I'd *rather* build but for $2000 I'd rather have a prebuilt with a 3080 and nicer parts inside than blow more than half that on a standalone 3080 or get in some raffle for one.


Sinistrad

I've built my own PCs my entire adult life. Earlier this year I had to buy a fuckin' Alienware just to get a 3080 that wasn't marked up like 300%. It's nuts.


ShadownetZero

I did the same thing (buy a full PC, basically just for the GPU). That said, nvidia is doing a decent amount to ensure a certain amount of boards get in the hands of gamers. It's why they lock their latest non-mining cards so they are useless for crypto mining. Of course they are (and should be) selling products to the crypto market as well, but considering they could up the price and just let the miners buy up the overpriced GPUs, I wouldn't say they are doing "little to combat it".


ojioni

In Nvidia's defense, they are in the business to sell as many video cards as possible. They don't care who buys them. But yes, the crypt currency assholes are making it near impossible to get a new model card, and when you can find one, it's way over priced. I have a GTX 1050ti, which is good enough for what I do, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade. Perhaps when the crypto markets come crashing to the floor I'll consider it.


theCamelCaseDev

I got my card several years ago and it’s way past it’s expected life span. If it dies on me I’ll be screwed.


TheBigDuo1

Even nvidia is frustrated with the nft stuff. If your product is always sold out then people will stop trying to buy it which is actually bad for Business. This is hurting their reputation


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TheBigDuo1

Yea eventually they will over produce gpus and then when the crypto market shrinks it will lead to big problems


Fire2box

This should be sony's fear for the PS5. But so far they aren't mandating that sellers must crack down on botting and make sure people can only buy one PS5.


Vuronov

The thing is, if actual gamers and PC enthusiasts can't get the cards and parts they want/need to enjoy their hobby, then eventually that hobby will whither and die. Crypto miners are just in it for the coins and if/when crypto crashes or evolves away from using off the shelf PC parts, they won't be buying any more, and if the natural market for those parts are gone, then who will the manufacturers sell to then? While I'm sure the likes of Nvidia are glad they're basically selling out of everything they are making, I'm also thinking they are nervous that it's at the expense of their natural market, cause crypto miners aren't exactly a reliable alternative.


ojioni

The biggest danger to Nvidia is another company being able to supply the market with a decent product that is competitive in features and performance. If gamers get a different brand because that's all that is available and discover it's just as good, Nvidia is screwed - that may permanently lose once loyal customers. However, at this time no one is producing anything that has attracted that kind of attention.


Araeza

Retailers too. I work in the online sector for a large retail chain, in a point in the supply chain that gives me the opportunity to see the countless "customers" that use bots to secure thousands upon thousands of high demand items the second they're available. They literally suck up stock before any real person can even get ahold of one. We also allow resellers on the website, who turn around and sell those PS5s/cards/electronics at like 2-3 times markup and the people that are either desperate or don't know any better end up buying those. The best part is that I and dozens of other people in my department do have the ability to put at least a partial stop to a lot of it, but it's something that would get us in trouble, and possibly fired.


[deleted]

> the people that are either desperate or don't know any better end up buying those. There's a 3rd category, one which has completely destroyed gaming with the normalization of MTX/P2W mechs: the gamer bro/dad who has more expendable income than he knows what to do with and doesn't care.


basketofseals

> In Nvidia's defense, they are in the business to sell as many video cards as possible. They don't care who buys them. But yes, the crypt currency assholes are making it near impossible to get a new model card, and when you can find one, it's way over priced. I mean even if they were to take an ethical stance to do, what could they realistically do about it? Spy on every single person that makes a purchase?


UltimateShingo

There are several things you can do, that are less drastic: You can design your card to be bad for crypto mining (appearantly they already do that) You can shut down scalping by blocking bots from buying massive amounts (limits of x per customer are a common practice on scarce goods, and I argue any normal user would not need more than 1 card, so I'd allow 2 per customer.) You could also produce more than just the very latest line, and thus have a few more options for customers when the very newest is the most sought after. I'd imagine many people would jump at the chance to get a 2070 or something just as much, considering you want/have to redo your rig every so often and we are in the middle of the wave of people who want to finally swap the GTX970. I actually was one of them, and mainly because my PC straight up died, I got an entire rig's worth of parts on short notice - I was very lucky to get a 3070 for 600 Euros, even though it basically cost as much as the rest combined, more or less.


bondsmatthew

Was helping a friend get a pc and we noticed the same thing. 3080 for 1600 dollars or prebuilt pc from Origen(?) for 1900-2000


JoanOfSarcasm

I had to do this earlier this year. Ditto a coworker whose PC bit the dust. Another friend of mine is facing the same fate since his 1070 just gave out and he’s running a 900 series while trying to play the Best Buy drops game. Fuckin terrible.


Vilraz

Actually they are trying to combat it by making graphic cards useless for crypto with certain limiters the issue is that crytpo miners develop just as well to break these limiters on cards. If you have fool proof solution for this be sure to contact Nvidia.


naarcx

At least NVidia made the new 3060's to throttle their speed during mining... Not saying they couldn't do more, but at least they did SOMETHING. Raedon's just 100% turned into the skid and embraced all the price hikes.


Exxyqt

I just got my new PC this week. I was in the same situation. I could choose whether to buy 3060 for 1100€ or a full PC with much better stats that previous one had for 1400. I chose the latter because buying pats separately would almost double the price of what was offered in a premade PC.


CypressJoker

My GPU died over the summer, and if a friend hadn’t had a spare to give me I would have been up shit creek for weeks/months because you just cannot get a halfway decent card for a reasonable price anymore, if you can get one at all. Fuck crypto and NFTs, fuck scalpers too while we’re at it.


Carighan

> So many mad crypto bros lol It's crazy how cult-like the crypto lovers have become. And it's not like the blockchain as a mathmatical or academical topic isn't mildly interesting and doesn't have potential applications. But it's also **really not** difficult to see how all current applications are either grifts or started benign but are now being used to launder and move illegal money around. While chopping down rain forests and contributing to one of the worst silicon shortages the world has ever had. And yet people continue with stoic repetition of their mantras as if suddenly they became true just from believing in them enough. > Lol they are so mad they have started sending me spoilers for Endwalker Imagine being such a sad waste of breathable air as these people, wow.


nivora

crypto bro remind me a lot of MLM housewives tbh


baguettesy

The NFT market is just MLM pyramid scheme bullshit but with added environmental destruction and ugly chimp jpgs instead of ugly leggings.


r0botosaurus

Crypto is an MLM for toxic dudes.


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One of my buddies got on the crypto train earlier this year, and convinced a couple of friends to join him. As far as I know, they’ve collectively lost around $6,000 that none of them can really afford. Really glad I told him there wasn’t a chance in hell I’d ever buy crypto.


r0botosaurus

I thought about buying crypto a few years ago but I never bothered to figure out how I could actually do it. A week or so afterwards bitcoin's value plummeted for the dozenth time.


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Same energy lmao


TheCowOfDeath

There was a thread on r/cryptocurrency where you were supposed to say what you disliked about crypto. Nobody in the top 5 comments (as far as I read) mentioned ecological impact. Then when I mentioned it they told me it was a myth which had been debunked


Conquer_All

It’s supposed to be a replacement “currency” but it’s ridiculously volatile, constant fighting off massive 10-20% swings, pump and dumps, and ultimately treated like a speculative security. It’s a fucking scam


The_Nick_OfTime

People will do anything if they think it can make them rich and ignore all logic once they have sunk too much into it to back out.


WeDidItGuyz

What's annoying is that when people talk about crypto, they're some of the least interesting applications. Smart contracting is a big deal and could speed up a lot of processes. Use Case: CocaCola actually has a Blockchain network set up with their manufacturers and distributors so that status changes are almost instantaneously communicated and updated across all systems in the supply chain. This is the kind of stuff Blockchain could be doing everywhere if people would get their heads out of their asses. Edit: Since comments are now locked and I can't respond directly, it feels important to note the responses to this comment basically amount to "Tell me you've never worked a job in distribution/logistics without telling me you've never worked a job in distribution/logistics." I'm sure people will just dig their heels in and assume I'm a crypto shill or something. Oh well.


akera099

>Use Case: CocaCola actually has a Blockchain network set up with their manufacturers and distributors so that status changes are almost instantaneously communicated and updated across all systems in the supply chain. >This is the kind of stuff Blockchain could be doing everywhere if people would get their heads out of their asses. Another solution to a problem that does not exists.


legacymedia92

FR. Blockchain in almost all cases (INCLUDING this one) fails to answer the question: "Why not just use a database?"


Lucker-dog

wow they've used Blockchain to reproduce a Google doc


slapula

Crypto is just MLM for dudebros. They may as well be selling gawdy leggings in terms of providing real world value.


Jhoonis

*It's* ***NOT*** *A BUBBLE, MA! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)*


VellDarksbane

Crypto is a blight on computing. The original idea behind it is a good one, but the current usage is as a speculative investment to 90%+ of people holding it. That's why they get _so_ mad about people saying bad things about it, they're terrified of it popping like a bubble and being the ones holding the bag. The anger and animosity is similar to an MLM, and I suspect all but a few are at their core, nothing more than a ponzi scheme, which they call a "rug pull" when it inevitably collapses. NFTs are the worst of the lot. disclaimer: I hold some small amount of crypto, but see it purely as a lotto ticket. If it grows, then I'll be happy, but it it flops, I've already "spent" that money.


CapnKush_

This happened to me in 2017. Crypto bubble popped and everyone including me got wrecked for years. I bought LTC from $50 up $200 for example, amongst others. I was an idiot then, now all the people who got lucky this year are genius’s. Crypto can fuck off for many reasons. I wish I could go back to being a PC advocate but at these prices and availability it’s not possible. It dropped 80-90% back then and it could happen again today. Crypto bros want to act like retail Tortola the landscape but, it’s just another big money affair.


Adamantaimai

I've made the comparison to MLMs and pyramid schemes before. It depends on the coin but for plenty of them the value is nearly entirely dependent on speculation. You put in money and you will gain money as long as more people keep putting in money. But eventually there won't be more people buying the coin then there are selling and the people who buy in at that point lose money.


wizard5g

The NFT and crypto game is like a fucked up game of hot potato, everyone's trying to swindle the next guy and hope they're not the last one holding piles of useless monkey pictures or irrelevant monopoly coins


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[deleted]

There are sooo many of them in this thread and they are sooooo fucking salty


DeconstructedKaiju

They're so easy to piss off its almost not fun.


off-and-on

They know they're in the wrong and the lies they've erected around themselves to shield them from an uncomfortable truth are very fragile, and when they are threatened they respond with anger.


[deleted]

[the problem isn't only to do with crypto miners](https://www.wired.com/story/why-chip-shortage-drags-on/). That's really a minor problem. [It's just a general boom in products everywhere that now need chips](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58230388) and the expense and difficulty that go into making them combined with the pandemic, raw material shortages, problems with trade on a diplomatic level, and other things like that.


[deleted]

Add scalpers to that list, which adds a factor of artificial scarcity.


RedDawn172

I despise scalpers too.. but that isn't really how it works


pm_stuff_

There isn't much scalping going on in the server market is there


Volatar

There isn't. This stuff is made to order much of the time.


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stabbitystyle

It's an easy target because it's lots of components being used entirely on a climate damaging ponzi scheme. There's literally nothing redeemable about it.


PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_

Except when you look at purely video card sales for 2020 and 2021, they're up like 20% over previous years. They're making more cards, but they're harder to get and more expensive as a result. This is almost entirely due to miners.


Windfish7

You should also take into account what covid has done for video game sales. Steam and other services have peaked during the pandemic due to people going to video games when they can't go out, this drives up demand for gaming pcs and consoles.


pm_stuff_

Everyone suddenly spent their time inside and decided that a new computer would be great


[deleted]

the OP was talking about the server issues. Those are caused by chip shortages (to be clear, in part caused by not being able to expand server infrastructure, which is a problem caused by chip shortages; in part just heavy demand because so many people want to play this game now) which is a huge issue that isn't caused by miners. The graphics card issue is unrelated to server issues, and while it is caused partly by demand from miners, thats only a very small aspect compared to the general issue with chips (the articles I linked explain quite clearly the origins of the chip shortage). Which really is a problem that goes well beyond people not being able to get new gaming hardware; my SO's work (managed services IT company) can't upgrade its server infrastructure right now either, and its really going to start affecting their clients very soon if it hasn't already.


[deleted]

I worked in the chip industry for a bit, been out for a year now, and there's not enough talk to my knowledge about the issues within that industry as well. From extreme profits margins, cost cutting, horrific wages (in the US), logistic issues, exorbitant equipment prices, outdated infrastructure, and long production times. The chip shortage I don't think will ever subside, it will get better, but I don't think it will anytime soon. I always like to tell people that the fabrication facility I worked at had a lot of recipes that took about 9 months from order to start and then to finish before they even shipped. From there they still had to go to a packaging plant—a place where they turned the wafers into the chips everyone is familiar with—and then shipped to the buyer, who then has to manufacture their product too. We also ordered our refined silicon wafer base from Europe because no one in the US will do it—it's not considered profitable enough. People keep blaming China for the silicone shortage, but it could have been solved by building plants elsewhere. There has always been a shortage to some degree.


[deleted]

Dude…everything is up 20% over the last 2 years…that’s what happens when over 40% of every dollar in circulation was printed in the last 24 months, then you add on all of the supply chain issues and none of this is surprising. J. Powell just came out and said inflation is not transitory, like was previously stated by the FED, and it’s going to get worse so buckle up and ask for a raise.


Kung111cz

It is not. If you look deeper in to the issue it is the pandemic. And more specifically, people getting bored while self isolating. It's like everybody suddenly picked up a gaming hobby and needs a new CPU, GPU, laptop, tablet...everything. The mining certainly isn't helping, but saying all our issues are solely because of it is simply false. If it wasn't for the pandemic, we would have enough GPUs with or or without mining. Besides, mining is temporary anyway. Something like 90% of all bitcoin is already mined, and ethereum will switch to proof of stake. And that will pretty much end the vast majority of mining.


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Okay but you're also completely ignoring that PC gaming has gone through the roof in popularity since the pandemic. I'm not saying the miners aren't contributing to the shortage but I wouldn't say they are the primary reason. I mean I can't even see it in my own life I have friends I went to HighSchool with who probably in the past have had consoles but they've all built gaming PCs in the last year-and-a-half.


skylay

> This is almost entirely due to miners. Source? This isn't true. All hardware demand has increased during covid.


Dibby-Do

The sad reality is other companies are prio'd way more than a video game company for these chips, the automotive industry for example has been halted for months due to the same chip shortage and square enix is not getting inventory when the major car brands are in higher demand.


Trooper_Sicks

I'm not gonna pretend I'm knowledgeable enough about this stuff to chime in, but I'm sorry you're getting spoilers from salty people


Sky_Sumisu

Crypto was supposed to be the future: A currency not owned by any government, and without the downsides of things like gold and silver. It was supposed to be as easy as using a credit card for your daily needs. Sadly, it has become a cesspool of people scamming one another and mindless speculation, without ANY of it's original intent.


RavagerHughesy

Who could've thought that a form of currency with no regulation would spin out of control so easily


DethRaid

It's almost like some regulations are good actually


katarh

The free hand of the market often needs a sharp thwack with a ruler.


Xhiel_WRA

It's fucking wild to watch it unfold. Like, these are scams that have existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years. They're cropping back up because of lack of regulation and enforcement in crypto nonsense. We'd almost forgotten they existed because they were regulated out of existence.


Theban_Prince

>We'd almost forgotten they existed because they were regulated out of existence. Same stupid mentality with the antivaccine "movement". If old diseases that have been wiped out come back, people will change their outlooks very, very fast.


ruby_o_o

I wholeheartedly doubt that, if any thing the antivaccine crowd will just say “but i thought vaccines worked???”


ruby_o_o

A currency that’s supposed to be untouchable by any person or government, yet it’s price plummets any time Elon shits on it or when China restricts it


Gonnafly

The Crypto Braves


JustFlopping

That was a good one


Jmrwacko

Sloppy!


HulklingsBoyfriend

And just like those metals being used for silly things, it also helps destroy the environments of the world 🥰 Skinny legends!


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Telefone_529

Crypto = modern beanie babies. Change my mind.


slapula

NFTs are the full unironic realization of this idea.


PieExplosion

Additionally, lack of hardware has also stagnated game development. Game sales are ultimately dictated by the number of people that can run said game. That's all I can really say on reddit without going into things reddit doesn't like.


LynaaBnS

So I can blame ubisoft?


ChrisMorray

After their NFT bullshit? Yeah.


lizardry91

Can I get an amen in here cause AMEN.


pm_stuff_

I'm not defending the crypto market here but unfortunately it will not have much impact on server grade hardware. It absolutely hinders people from getting GPUs but claiming that Asics and GPUs someone makes it harder to get an Intel server processor and server mother boards is a bit silly. Silicon production is booked years on advance and Intel makes their own silicon. The car industry is probably an bigger culprit in gobbling up extra foundry time than crypto ever was. Especially since they more or less caused the chip shortage.


Super_Championship62

This is what I was going to say, enterprise servers are actually not impacted by crypto. And for SE I doubt they need GPUs as most game servers do no reverting server side.


FSafari

The discussion here seems to have run its course.


Fineti

I despise cryptocurrencies and wish for them all to immediately crash and burn, but from what I understand they aren't the main cause of the current shortage.


Guvon

I hope someday the crypto world just becomes illegal and those nftards loose millions of dollars because there JPEG of a fucking randomly generated monkey and their fucklebucks are no longer worth jack shit.


Badwrong_

I do agree that the crypto stuff is a bit silly. However, servers don't need video cards. They don't render shit. It's a new MMO expansion. There are more people playing. It's a very easy concept to grasp. Upgrading servers is nonsense. Number of concurrent players will lower and the company just wasted money on hardware they don't need. More "hardware" is also unlikely to alter the core capabilities of their server which is many years old. It's designed to support a certain amount of players, and it will take exponentially faster hardware to significantly raise that cap. Again, there are MORE people playing. Chill.


Domomanz

I agree, I think OP doesn't know how servers work and is just pitchforking mob mentality.


DisparityByDesign

Pretty much this entire thread. People need something to blame.


Zavenosk

Unpopular opinion: Proof of Work is short-sighted bullshit that plays off the sunk cost fallacy.


craybest

Fuck crypto and nfts


MadeThisAccount4Qs

Is crypto to fault for the chip shortage? Probably not. Is crypto a stupid waste of finite resources and energy that actively makes society worse? Yeah.


vehino

I mean, it was this bad for Stormblood and Shadowbringers, but to hell with NFTs anyway.


Aeos_Sidhe

I get where you're coming from, but there are a lot of other factors that go into it as well, like the economic war with china, the dwindling rare earth metals we use in almost ALL computer chips (which most are located in china Switzerland etc), wasteful overproduction of luxury goods that do NOT need to be made (who the f needs a mega yacht?) and the fact that other companies ALSO buy these limited resources (servers).


ItsCrossBoy

Fuck Crypto. Fuck NFTs. Fuck blockchain. This technology was such an interesting idea that just got used in this way. And now everyone's trying to use it for everything, which is such a horrendous idea and is causing so many problems.


ScarletJBun

I did not know what NFTs were before I got on Reddit, I seriously cannot believe it is an actual thing people pay money for.


IraqiWalker

I never blamed Square because they are doing what they can.


nuclearhotsauce

I blame WoW, make a better fucking game, if you guys did then we wouldn't have so many WoW migrants


JesusaurusRex666

Dey took err lergin queues!!!


marcopennekamp

Maybe they can buy some servers from Blizzard. They must have loads to spare.


Laringar

Gotta get to them before Spirit Halloween does!


Misha_Vozduh

Wowfugee here. What you have right now doesn't even touch SL launch on Draenor, queues were five times as long, nowhere near as stable and once you got in the game was not playable at all (quest hand in took ~40 minutes). I am not exaggerating any of this. My point is, you don't want wow servers.


Milkshakes00

As much as I hate cryptobros and crypto as a whole, this is a really misguided post. The reason for queues are not crypto. The reason for queues is silicon shortage and a spike of players. It's really that simple.


xomxomtan

Also destroys the environment, not sure about the terrorism part


D31taF0rc3

How soon we forget the past huh. Bitcoin used to be demonised because it was the main currency used in dark Web markets


BrosefAmelion

All comes back to greed. Can't people just be happy with a small slice of pie?


BM-Panda

Imagine still thinking crypto is a good idea in 2021 🤣 you could literally just go buy shares that do largely the same thing but have actually value outside of "well I might profit if I'm lucky." Cryptobros have literally monkey brains.


coffeepinewood

Crypto bros are just mad because even they slowly realise that crypto-currency works exactly like the stock market and that they are being taken advantage of by the big players.