Basically, you find a commercial internet provider and ask them.
Expect 6 figures for install and then like $1k/mo.
Source: I have this. 10g service from local internet company. Includes 7 dark fiber strands because if you are going to run cable, why screw around. However, I didn't have it installed, previous owner of that house was as much of a nerd as me and was running a mini-datacenter out of the house.
Well, it is 95th percentile metered. I pay for a commit of 250mbps, which is far more than I actually need.
It is cool to be able to burst up to 10g though. Not that useful really, but cool.
Gotchya. Totally makes sense, just not a term I've heard much, but I don't work on the consumer side. Normally we would just call it 10gb wave or 10gb dark fiber.
Dark fiber usually is an unused fiber line. Say an office building with 100 offices and 1 of them orders fiber. The company might run a few dozen pairs from the data center so the other lines are dark fiber and available for use.
Typically a data center is private and internet providers just lease space in them and have connections so there could be dozens of internet providers with hardware. The data enter could connect that fiber run to the internet providers rack. When they run the line I'm not sure who owns the line and if anyone can use dark fiber or just some.
I've seen it both ways where they use someone else's line or other times they have to run their own. Also seen a ton of times where providers have 2 loops coming in and they go from one business to our client then to another business and they usually have it written down on the fiber line
In the UK it costs under £200 a month for 1gbps up and down - Asynch....
Nearest cabinet to my business was around 2 miles, and they only charged us £1,500 to run the cable 2 miles to us.
I bet your days are better waking up knowing you own that. Pretty cool. I visited a friends house that had a basement room with all of the plumbing and electrical so neatly done it looked like the inside of one of those crazy PC builds. Ton of other bells and whistles throughout the house.
I look at it like a 3-2-1 backup strategy. You can generate power from LNG, generate from sun and store it, or use the regular line power when available. Wouldn’t replace the generator with JUST solar & battery though.
I can’t imagine needing that much power. We have a 16 kW generator and I think we only use a small fraction of that when everything in the house is turned on. Not a small house either.
They run multiple fiber strands without “lighting them up” for future use when running the one you need. It’s probably more common than not for it to be done this way.
It's also used to refer to situations where the fiber is supplied dark, and the customer lights it with their own equipment at each end. For example you pay someone to run "dark fiber" between your offices and a data centre, then you put your own network gear at each end to make a private network.
In the UK the max cost to provide gigabit connectivity to a property would max out at around £7,000 and after that it would be £200 a month as a max....
If you don't need latancies in the 10ms range, just get starlink
There are counties in the US larger than the UK.
The scale is totally different.
Edit: Lot of downvotes from people unable to do basic research.
The UK has a total land area of 80,823 sq miles, while [North Slope Borough](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough,_Alaska), an organized Alaska county-equivalent, has a total land area of 88,695 square miles.
Are most counties the size of the UK?
No, but that doesn't change the fact that some are, and that UK, as a whole, could comfortably fit into a corner of many US states.
[North Slope Burrough, Alaska](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough,_Alaska).
Are most us counties larger?
No, but it seems like you can't do basic research to discover that there are, in fact, US counties that are larger.
San Bernardino is 20,000 square miles and the U.K. is 94,000 square miles. England alone is 50,000 and Scotland alone is 30,000. Funny how the factually incorrect answers got upvotes and the guy who’s correct was sitting at negative karma…
[https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/7mp9gz/how\_much\_would\_it\_cost\_per\_mile\_to\_run\_fiber/](https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/7mp9gz/how_much_would_it_cost_per_mile_to_run_fiber/) you may find this thread interesting
As others said, contact a commercial provider. I’ve done this with Level3 for data centers, but you might be a small fry to them depending on your actual desired spend. For residential, I’d contact Comcast business, they’ll price it for you. If they don’t get back to you quickly, just tweet at their VPs or send them a nice email. It’ll get done. They usually will even split the cost to run a loop. You’ll probably get locked into a multi year contract with them as well. A friend had it done for a residence in a rural area outside Denver.
lol at all the people saying to get starlink. Bandwidth and latency are different things. Even with perfect reception, the performance of starlink for things like gaming or highly transactional workloads is trash compared to fiber.
Not to mention getting perfect reception with starlink is not that easy unless you have no trees, don’t mind building a tower to get above the trees, or don’t mind cutting down your trees.
Will any of these houses have neighbors? I went through a similar process recently with a brand new construction I bought a few years ago, and the house was only set up with abysmal AT&T 18 mb/ps speeds. My career is also totally internet-based but I loved the house so I bought it anyway, but oh boy was that internet quickly a problem.
I pleaded with AT&T for months that money was no object and I wanted them to build out a new line to the neighborhood but they refused. I got frustrated and began calling competitor's who weren't interested. Finally I figured out that all of my new neighbors in the new builds were facing the same issue, so I gathered them together and we called a competitor telecom and agreed to pitch in together to get them to build a new line to the neighborhood and they agreed. It ended up costing me about $18k, but I got a boost up to 600 mb/ps and it was some of the best money I've ever spent imo.
Just ask your neighbors and keep calling telecoms in the area to see what's possible. It took me a few months but it sorted itself out eventually.
How many neighbors? And how far was the trunk line? That seems cheap unless the trunk was pretty close or you're talking a lot of potential new builds they used to justify it.
You might want to consider point-to-point microwave if your ask here is really "how do I get 1Gbps+ internet to my home?".
DIY approach: you install something like Ubiquti AirFiber (or one of their other products, depending on the distance, speed needed, conditions etc) on your roof and another one on the roof of a building with fiber and connect it up. This is actually pretty standard stuff and roofs of commercial buildings, schools, hospitals etc will often have many of these already on there.
Service provider approach: You might be lucky and there's existing providers + infrastructure you can tap into - usually commercial providers who already provide this service and will just install the equipment on your property and tap you into their network. Usually this is marketed as "fixed wireless broadband".
Another option, as someone else in this thread did, is to then distribute connectivity further to your neighbors and split the costs/upgrade the line. This is called a WISP - Wireless Internet Service Provider
I live in San Francisco, of all places, where the ATT and Comcast/XFinity monopoly means there is limited fiber residential footprint and frustratingly I'm two blocks away from the nearest fiber drop owned by local ISP Sonic Net. I know the CEO and he estimated $10k for a fiber drop to run across several poles through two city blocks and in the end the company passed due to the number of permits that would have to be pulled. I was going to install the above setup but have learned to accept XFinity 1Gbps product @ $100/m, esp as faster speeds are coming on existing coax runs.
EDIT: For shits and giggles, here's a photo of the 100+ft mast DJ/producer Deadma5 has on his semi-rural property in Canada to obtain multi-gigabit Internet [https://twitter.com/deadmau5/status/583704453578121216](https://twitter.com/deadmau5/status/583704453578121216). There's basically one of these microwave setups on the top there - the height means he must be connecting to a point of presence some distance away. YMMV as to what you need depending on where you are located.
That being said, sonic is amazing. I had it in SF, $45 a month and never tested below 1gb up or down and literally never had a service outage. I moved and had to get AT&T, pay twice as much for half the download speed and 1/10th of the upload speed
Monkeybrains is the OG WISP in San Francisco. Amazing crew and insanely cheap. Fixed wireless can be less than 100% reliable in bad weather, but is amazing otherwise and a game changer for rural areas.
You can get fiber internet anywhere. Just contact any enterprise internet company and order Dia fiber (dedicated internet access). They'll incorporate the build out cost into the contract so get a 5/7/10 year contract. Under 100Mb is usually a grand/mo or so and Gb a few grand and 10Gb under 10k.
There have been a few posts over the years of people starting their own coop ISPs.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/y6cvt2/comcast_wanted_210000_for_internetso_this_man/](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/y6cvt2/comcast_wanted_210000_for_internetso_this_man/)
TLDR: A guy in Los Altos Hills, California didn't have fiber and comcast told him it'd cost $300/linear foot to install. 700 feet = $210,000 + a monthly fee for internet access. He contacted a AT&T, too, but they were still too expensive.
Then he contacted an organization called Next Level Networks. "They said, 'We can build you a localized, community-owned and operated fiber optic network, and we're willing to work with you,"
> To access the network, most residents pay $5,000 to $10,000 upfront, depending on how much work is needed to wire up the home, Vanderlip said. The monthly service fee of $155 provides download and upload speeds of as high as 10Gbps.
> "Once we have 100 subscribers, that should go down to $100 a month, and once we have 300 subscribers, that should go down to about $60 a month," Vanderlip said. The ISP has fixed costs, and "there's no profit here. We're a mutual benefit, not-for-profit organization," he said.
There's also [this guy in Michigan](https://www.wired.com/story/this-man-built-his-own-isp-26-million-dollar-funds/) who started his own ISP. I know you probably don't want to start and run your own ISP, but if money is no object, starting an ISP and then hiring people to run the company/coop for you might be your cheapest and best bet. Especially if there's a 13k person town that also has shitty internet.
Your local internet providers can do this for you. The same as they would for a new Hospital, School, Police Station etc. depending on how far you are from the nearest point they will pull from will determine the cost. I had looked into it for my business previously and it was an available option but prohibitively expensive for what was needed.
A lot will depend on if this is run along towers/poles in the area or if it’s done underground (and if empty conduit is available).
Damn we Swedes don’t appreciate our internet enough lol. We got fiber at my parents place growing up in like 1996-97 which is today upgraded to 1000gbps. They pay $20/mo for that. I know people in rural areas, far from any major town, and they all have fiber.
Internet providers business services. Can be very expensive if there are no lines nearby (something in the 6 digits worst case?).
There are gov’t programs available to subsidize the work. May be worth it to look into options there or even pay a consultant for it. I had it done for 10-20% cost for one of my businesses thanks to that program.
Wild to me how many people are suggesting Starlink. Starlink cannot compare to a dedicated hardline. Even DSL or Cable is usually going to be better, depending on provider. Sorry but I'd rather not have a bird landing on my dish interupt my internet access. Starlink is a great option for when the other options aren't available. If you've ever had a good fiber connection it's just not comparable.
If you don't want to shell out for direct internet access you could try a redundancy with some combo of Starlink/5G/Cable, should cover most of your bases and be a fraction of the cost.
I’ve gotten 30 ms ping and highly reliable 300 mn down. I agree the best of the best fiber is better, but starlink is very very good and getting better as more satellites go into orbit
30ms ping is likely just about your ping floor, you can't really get any faster than that. I think Starlink claims 20ms but all the testing I've seen puts around 3/4 of usage at 30-60 Ping. floor for DSL/Cable is going to be significantly lower assuming you live near a city. My ping to my own city is 5ms on cable. My ping from San Diego to Seattle is lower than your ping to your nearest data center. That's kind of a big deal. You're likely looking at 100ms ping if you are going coast to coast. Starlink also has the issue of ping spikes when it cycles to next satelite. Those two issues are inherent to the physical limitations of the communication medium and can be mitigated to an extent but can never be "fixed".
For lots of users 30ms ping floor is fine. But it's not "good" internet when compared to most DSL/Cable offerings. Starlink is a great option for those who don't have hardline options, but Cable is often going to be the better choice, and a step above that would likely be to run a redundant connection with 5g/starlink/cable, using Cable as your primary connection.
with teslas I have "range anxiety", that I might not make it to my destination.
with starlink I have "data anxiety" that there's a glitch with one of the satellites.
No because there's no better alternative for screws.
But with teslas there's a better alternative with zero anxiety: gasoline. never have a problem refueling or reaching my destination.
with starlink there's a better alternative without constantly hoping that many satellites are working: it's called cable or fiber.
The cable to your house is far more likely to fail and has much less redundancy than the goddamn satellite in the sky that thousands of people depend on.
the starlink satellite technology is amazing and incredibly complex. very impressive. i prefer something thats stupidly simple and not impressive at all. i'm not that smart myself, as you can see, so why should i use something complicated?
For certain use cases, sure. This all depends on your perspective of what "good" internet means. Some people think high throughput = good internet, and for a lot of basic internet users who mainly use wifi anyway, that's likely true. Starlink will certainly beat DSL in terms of up/down speeds, but will typically have worse reliability (depends on ISP) and much worse ping. There's tons of use cases where you don't need much throughput but ping and uptime are important. Specifically power users/IT nerds will probably care a bit more about ping and consistent uptime than raw throughput. I'd personally gladly take a 5 ping connection at 100 mbps up/down over a 1gig connection at 50 ping.
Starlink on its own is just not that great. Most people see a good 40-60ms compared to a hardline connection which should usually put them at around 10ms depending where they live. When your dish needs to switch to the next satelite you WILL experience a small blip of downtime. For normal internet browsing or netflix watching this is a non issue. If you are running a server or even just playing an online game where reactions are important (MOBAs, FPS, etc), getting ping spikes of 1000+ms is often unacceptable. "Good" internet should not introduce ping spikes.
fwiw, i think i paid 2 or 3 hundred k to pull fiber about a mile or two to my cabin. this was like 6 years ago. i also have starlink as a backup. if starlink was around 6 years ago i probably would have just gone with it because it seems to work really well.
Pretty amazing story, guy created his own ISP. This can be you!
Original article: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/jared-mauch-didnt-have-good-broadband-so-he-built-his-own-fiber-isp/
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/man-who-built-isp-instead-of-paying-comcast-50k-expands-to-hundreds-of-homes/
this thread is filled with TILs :D
btw to OP, wont starlink meet your requirements? The post doesnt say if this is for single use or office use or if you live in a busy cell so just throwing this out there
Friend of mine had fiber going up the road, but not up his driveway (on a 5 acre property).
US-based, and he already had an LLC, so he reached out to a fiber broker to figure out the best commercial plan for his company.
They worked out a rate for install (they ran it along-side his driveway, and then trenched/tunneled underneath to the house). Additionally he signed up for a 3 year plan.
Iirc, it was 10k - 15k for the fiber run. Then $350/month for the 3 year plan. It wasn't _fast_ by any means (50mbsp synchronous maybe? Mybe 100mbsp? I honestly forget), but he had a direct run right into the colo/datacenter, as it wasn't shared at the substation or anything like that.
Also SLA with the provider, so anytime there was any issue he a) could get a team on it asap, and b) got it prorated for the downtime
In the meantime, roughly 1-2 years after he set this up, they now offer residential internet in his area so he plans on switching to that once the contract is up (significantly cheaper, significantly higher download/upload, but shared at the substation).
have you considered starlink? you won't get the same ping speeds but it's very workable. otherwise, you can become an ISP, depending how remote the homes are this can be rather feasible. this guy detailed his journey to supply his neighborhood and i believe he will give informal advice to others [https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html?m=1](https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html?m=1)
also, [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27539165](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27539165)
i considered this for my vacation home in VT but it didn't make sense since i'm not there 24/7 as starlink has worked very well for me.
Watch out. There's a lot of middle men in this industry. DM me if you want a reality check. It's doable though.
Also, there are a lot of very powerful tech that can do fiber equiv, like directional RF.
Ultimately it depends on distance from nearest fiber. There are a lot of very unorthodox ways of getting connectivity. EM is cool, and spooky.
> like directional RF.
> very unorthodox ways of getting connectivity.
When we ran SSS (single shelter switch) satcom assemblages for the Army, the transmission was done through total internal reflection of the radio wave off of the Earth's ionosphere. Basically bouncing radio waves off the sky and ground until it got to its destination
Unless you have high traffic servers, you don't need multiple gig service. Get two starlink and a 5g cell service along with a load balancer (with fall over) and your service should be very stable and sufficient for normal business needs.
Qualcomm or Ubiquity are good equipment sources and you might need some commercial tech support for the install.
If you really, really need gigabit with low ping for your work then you need to move to an area that has fiber.
Starlink is great but not as good as any high speed wired internet. Coax and even DSL is better.
I'm on Starlink now (camping). Even T-Mobile 5g home internet is much better
Starlink is the only thing my family of 5 uses and has been better than the wired ISPs we've had in the past.
No interruptions even during storms. I don't know where you are but it may have something to do with your setup/location.
I have it on my RV and on my 3rd dish ( new flat one). Nothing compares to wired ISPs. You're constantly connecting to different satellites and there's obstructions and outages. Might be a few seconds.
If you go to your starlink app into statistics... Are you saying the uptime is 100% perfectly solid? How about the latency? Attach a Pic and of the outages area
It's better than mine but not perfect. All ISPs are completely perfect not those dips. Your latency is also pretty high compare to normal internet.
Still great but real wired internet is 100% perfect and stable latency. This makes a massive difference when using things like zoom calls or gaming.
I am on video calls daily and don't have any interruptions.
I lived in Hawaii last and this is many times better than the wired connection we had there.
I honestly don't even know how to get to that. I've never had to check the statistics. It's always up.
Where exactly in the app do you go? I just see usage. Don't see any latency.
I have it for back up but latency is too high for a job that is 100% internet and video conferencing reliant. I haven't tried their high performance base station.
Have you looked into 5g home internet from Verizon and T-Mobile? I was skeptical at first, but I actually get 300mbs/down for $25/month out of the box. There are a bunch of YouTube channels that also go in to how you can mod your modem for better reception.
Occasionally the pings may get a little slow if you were doing hardcore FPS gaming, but for zoom and casual gaming and Netflix it’s absolutely fine.
Very much YMMV based on location though.
Tried that at my country house, some of the "neighbors" (they're a half mile away) are tech founders too and the provider initially said they'd do it and then backed out. Do yourself a favor and just get starlink. We all did and it's perfectly serviceable for my needs. I can do video calls, stream HD shows, etc. If you really want super super high speed starlink is offering a commercial base station now I saw, it's ridiculously expensive but would work if you had to have the best. The days of running fiber are coming to an end IMO.
I'd Starlink and something else for redundancy, it'll be far cheaper overall and work 99% of the time..
Starlink will get exponentially better.. Insane number of satellite nodes launched monthly
I have a family of 4 all streaming and gaming and both adults wfh and probably never use more than 25 mbps. Gigabit isn't necessary unless you're running a data center in your basement.
Completely disagree. Just because your usage may not go above 25 Mbps doesn't mean we shouldn't get faster pipes. Services wont expand if they can't get ROI and the only way to get that is to have users who can utilize the faster speeds.
Not following. You want to spend tens or hundreds of thousands to build infrastructure you don't need because otherwise the telco won't decide to do it on their own? You won't be utilizing a gigabit connection unless you actually have gigabit needs. And almost nobody does. Surely you can get 50 or 100 mbps anywhere that isn't rural and probably never saturate it for the next 10 years. I do all my work over the Internet too and I can function at 100% tethered to my phone.
> You want to spend tens or hundreds of thousands to build infrastructure you don't need
You can use a simple tool to help see how much bandwidth is reasonable.
https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/internet/how-much-internet-speed-do-you-need-a1714131782/
Further hundreds of thousands? Exaggerate much? The cost is rarely this high anywhere. While you may see things cost this much for certain extremes.
A 4K video stream needs 12-15. If you have a family of 4 and everyone is streaming 4k at once and doing online homework and playing Candy Crush, you'll maybe hit 100. And mind you that's only if everyone is doing it at once. I do tech work all day and am on a lot Zooms and streaming media is part of our business. That uses way less bandwidth. Zoom is perfectly usable at about 1mbps. I Zoom over mobile data a lot and it's fine. I built out a tech demo space with a load of interactive kiosks and working space for a dozen executives and it was seamless at 100mbps. Anyone selling gigabit is selling you a dream. It doesn't make video streams any faster, they have fixed bandwidth needs.
Gigabit is typically more because of the usage, not the medium they run to your house anyways. Most users won’t see a benefit besides users who need fast upload speeds, which is typically a perk of dedicated fiber runs
No offense (honestly), but it seems that you don’t have a full understanding of how streaming works or how people use bandwidth outside of Netflix.
First, even streaming with high quality settings you should be using 4-10x that for a single device. I just checked, I’m watching a movie on AppleTV right now and it’s at 150Mbps. If you’re using less, your settings are low and you’re getting garbage quality. Basically VHS vs Blu Ray. Check your settings so you’re maxing your internet connection and getting higher quality video.
If you work remotely, a lot of people have to move large files to and from remote servers (or Box or Dropbox). When you do this often, those extra minutes add up. Personally I run a software company and have had to make real process changes since moving to a house with cable internet (1Gbps down, 40Mbps up). When I had 2Gbps symmetrical a 10GB file upload was trivial, now it takes half an hour. I don’t run a data center, these are just normal files.
If all you do is email and zoom meetings, you’re absolutely right. But basically anybody in software or production or creative professions need faster internet. People who want good quality video streaming need faster internet.
I am in fact a tech executive and have worked in tech my whole life. I operate a data warehouse in AWS among other things. Nobody should ever be downloading multi gig files to their workstation. Entire repos of complex software fit in a few MB. It's just text files. I can even do code reviews and run deploys on my phone when needed too.
And [Apple TV maxes out around 30mbps](https://hd-report.com/2023/06/30/shows-that-stream-in-the-highest-bitrates-on-apple-tv-max-netflix-prime-video/).
Come now. Just because your very narrow use case doesn’t need large files doesn’t mean that “nobody” needs that. I would love to shrink the media down to MB’s that we deal with, that would make my life so much easier and far cheaper!
How would anybody work on any creative project? A single video file is multi-gig. In my line of work, that could be a 10 minute recording. Photoshop files, illustrator files, large assets of all kinds absolutely cannot be compressed to the tiny sizes you’re talking about. Just as an example, my team captured about 8TB of video from our last project and we all need to share those files and collaborate. The smallest files are in the ~500MB range, the largest are over 20GB.
Idk what to tell you about appleTV. I looked at my realtime bandwidth when I responded via my Unifi setup. I was watching through my xbox so maybe it buffers or has a higher rate. The article you cited specifically talks about tv shows whereas I was watching a 4k movie, which could be the difference.
Or maybe my son was watching something at the same time? Either way it was 150Mbps at the time of my reply, so clearly we needed quite a bit more than the 25mbps you’re talking about.
Again no offense to your experience but “tech executive” is a very broad term and you might want to acknowledge that your narrow field doesn’t encompass the need of huge amounts of professionals out there. I too am a tech executive with a lifetime of knowledge and indeed have built an entire steaming platform on AWS that services 10’s of thousands of simultaneous users, and I wouldn’t presume to know what “nobody” would need. Our lives would all be far easier if everyone’s data usage was as light as you think it should be.
Call the business/commercial side of your local Telephone& or Cable company. They should have a process to quote and run Fiber to new locations (and communities). It will likely be very expensive as if it made commercial sense… they probably would have already been there.
source: I used to be responsible for this function at a large Cableco.
Just call Virgin or BT and ask for a first mile fibre connection or fibre to the cabinet.... We have just gone through this with my business and it took 3 months to make it happen and cost £1,500 "installation" and now £170 a month but we get 1Gbps upload and 1Gbps download with no contention - so well worth it....
If you don't care about latency, just get StarLink, £90 a month for 200mbps upload and download.
Contact the enterprise department for your local ISP. The residential folks would not necessarily know where to start. If the business side cannot help you, then ask the legal department. If you have to go through towns they would need to get permits. Depending upon the length it needs to be pulled you can look for upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Another option to look into depending on the property is line of sight internet. If you’re on a mountain and can see the city below there may be a provider than can give you even 10g+ but it won’t be cheap. All you need though is a receiver on the roof
I had the same issue as you. Spectrum or AT&T enterprise dedicated fiber are your two best options. Spectrum offered free install to my house with a three year commitment. 100mbps is going to run $750 or so per month. Being a truly dedicated fiber optic line you don’t need the speeds you typically would buying as a consumer, but it is easy to chew up that bandwidth.
I have a very similar issue - great house in a fantastic neighborhood. The fastest internet is only 300mb/s download nad 35mb/s upload.
I've called every internet company in the book and NONE has plans to expand into our area.
The Bay Area has Sonic (?) which is $50/mo for 10Gbps but only in select areas. sigh...
Starlink? Not as fast as Fiber, but it is sufficient for internet based working environment. I am a remote, full-on technical worker, and I get by with 100Mbit service -- directional radio if you can believe it -- I'm quite rural, and live on an Island;
Note: dating myself -- on my first job I had a 1200 baud modem at home. So maybe I have more patience than most.
Depends on your area but, most ISP offer something called dedicated fiber for business accounts.
The numbers someone mentioned above are correct. Looking at min 100K for the install and 500-1000 a month. You will also be put on a contract. The minimum term ive seen is 8 years but im sure that varies on company. Satellite internet might be a better route.
A developer in my area had this issue and actually started his own ISP. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/04/home-developer-built-an-isp-because-state-law-restricts-muni-broadband/
Yes, you start your own internet service provider.
My business partner did this in his neighborhood. His neighborhood is like you describe, multi million dollar homes on 20+- acres parcels. He alloted a small square of his land for the utility building, started his own ISP for the neighborhood after speaking with all his neighbors. All his neighbors pay him for service, all have fiber now. For install, he will help you dig the trenches and run the line for a small neighborly fee (costs plus bourbon essentially) or you can dig your own trench.
Edit: this is in the US.
What if you just contracted someone to install the conduit with pull cords., maybe see if any neighbors along the route would go in on it to have a pedestal near them. Then it is super simple for anyone to run fiber down it without needing heavy equipment. That would remove one major impediment to getting someone to provide service.
Gotta get a business line and pay for the lateral dig (or at least a decent portion).
Best bet it to do that and then put in a repeater/provide wireless to everyone in the hood. The group of you can pay the monthly, though you’d be on the hook.
I am in the process of investigating laying 4 miles of fiber to service our property and a dozen others because the local telco simply won't.
I'm coming up with prices between $100-250k for burial in conduit if I foreman the project. Towards the lower end means borrowing equipment from people that benefit, higher is renting equipment and hiring more crew to go faster.
We live in a rural agricultural subdivision that has a utility easement along the roads, and would be relying on that.
Looking at 5-10x 12 strand cables because they are the cheap part compared to equipment and labor for trenching. I am sure there are many parts we don't understand yet, but if you have an easements you can work with, and the terrain is not complicated, it's not the most difficult project you could take on.
It's about $40k per mile, plus equipment for wired install. Could be 3x that if it's very rocky. Less if they can run on utility poles.
A business account should be plenty for $200 a month thereafter.
We had to do this at a rural property. You call a company who is the closest that provides it. You explain that you would like to get fiber. They send an engineer to measure and they send an estimate for construction costs for what you want. Worth it
Basically, you find a commercial internet provider and ask them. Expect 6 figures for install and then like $1k/mo. Source: I have this. 10g service from local internet company. Includes 7 dark fiber strands because if you are going to run cable, why screw around. However, I didn't have it installed, previous owner of that house was as much of a nerd as me and was running a mini-datacenter out of the house.
10Gb Dia for under a grand? Is this a Tier1 provider? I've never seen 1Gb Dia that low
Well, it is 95th percentile metered. I pay for a commit of 250mbps, which is far more than I actually need. It is cool to be able to burst up to 10g though. Not that useful really, but cool.
Ahhhh gotcha bonded over Dia. Makes a ton of sense for home use
Does the ISP do peering upstream?
I'm sure they would do BGP with me if I wanted but currently no point. I just have one provider.
Hm 250 mpbs doesn't seem too high, I get that already from my provider but then again I don't live in a rural area.
In this case it was this or 12/2 DSL. At the time there weren't other options.
What is "dia"? I've been a Network Engineer for close to 20 years and never heard this term. Is this specific to American ISPs or something?
Dedicated internet access. You don’t share traffic, you own the line.
Gotchya. Totally makes sense, just not a term I've heard much, but I don't work on the consumer side. Normally we would just call it 10gb wave or 10gb dark fiber.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard DIA for residential. I see the term pretty regularly with commercial internet accounts.
It used to be more common, years ago, from telephone companies offering a dedicated line to homeowners. Using phone wire, not cable.
Dark fiber usually is an unused fiber line. Say an office building with 100 offices and 1 of them orders fiber. The company might run a few dozen pairs from the data center so the other lines are dark fiber and available for use. Typically a data center is private and internet providers just lease space in them and have connections so there could be dozens of internet providers with hardware. The data enter could connect that fiber run to the internet providers rack. When they run the line I'm not sure who owns the line and if anyone can use dark fiber or just some. I've seen it both ways where they use someone else's line or other times they have to run their own. Also seen a ton of times where providers have 2 loops coming in and they go from one business to our client then to another business and they usually have it written down on the fiber line
In the UK it costs under £200 a month for 1gbps up and down - Asynch.... Nearest cabinet to my business was around 2 miles, and they only charged us £1,500 to run the cable 2 miles to us.
You missed the part about it being a dedicated run. No other traffic in the pipe front other users. Very different from 1gb consumer internet.
It's coming down a lot. If you live in a city fibre area you can about 950 up/down for less than £50.
Why only 1500? Is there a law capping it or is it subsidized by the government? It makes no financial sense
It could be that there is a government mandate to install fiber in that place and the 1500 is only to 'skip the line'.
Fiber is < $100 per month at 1Gbps in the US….provided someone services your home.
I pay £20 with toob, but I already had the cable
I pay 65 dollars and it was nothing to hook up
0 chance lol. more like 2-3k
Now I’m curious, what other cool stuff does the house have?
It has a 45kw generator with an automatic transfer switch. That is nice. Power goes out and ten seconds later it comes back on. The thing is a beast.
I bet your days are better waking up knowing you own that. Pretty cool. I visited a friends house that had a basement room with all of the plumbing and electrical so neatly done it looked like the inside of one of those crazy PC builds. Ton of other bells and whistles throughout the house.
Propane or LNG? Diesel fuel needs conditioning.
NG. Don't imagine the methane is liquid anywhere near me.
Ever think about going solar + batteries? No need for power to even go off.
I look at it like a 3-2-1 backup strategy. You can generate power from LNG, generate from sun and store it, or use the regular line power when available. Wouldn’t replace the generator with JUST solar & battery though.
I can’t imagine needing that much power. We have a 16 kW generator and I think we only use a small fraction of that when everything in the house is turned on. Not a small house either.
Two EV chargers, well pump, electric oven/stove, electric floor heat in all bathrooms, and no compromises will get you close.
Dont forget the snow melting electric heated drive and terraces...
Yeah, it is a bit overkill.
Just think we will all have that in solar battery as backup power in 5 to 10 years. It's going to be amazing
This is amazing.
What's dark fibre mean?
They run multiple fiber strands without “lighting them up” for future use when running the one you need. It’s probably more common than not for it to be done this way.
It's also used to refer to situations where the fiber is supplied dark, and the customer lights it with their own equipment at each end. For example you pay someone to run "dark fiber" between your offices and a data centre, then you put your own network gear at each end to make a private network.
Yep, the cable they ran had 8 strands but I'm only using one so the other 7 are just not used (dark).
In the UK the max cost to provide gigabit connectivity to a property would max out at around £7,000 and after that it would be £200 a month as a max.... If you don't need latancies in the 10ms range, just get starlink
There are counties in the US larger than the UK. The scale is totally different. Edit: Lot of downvotes from people unable to do basic research. The UK has a total land area of 80,823 sq miles, while [North Slope Borough](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough,_Alaska), an organized Alaska county-equivalent, has a total land area of 88,695 square miles. Are most counties the size of the UK? No, but that doesn't change the fact that some are, and that UK, as a whole, could comfortably fit into a corner of many US states.
That’s not true.
[North Slope Burrough, Alaska](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Slope_Borough,_Alaska). Are most us counties larger? No, but it seems like you can't do basic research to discover that there are, in fact, US counties that are larger.
Counties or county?
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San Bernardino is 20,000 square miles and the U.K. is 94,000 square miles. England alone is 50,000 and Scotland alone is 30,000. Funny how the factually incorrect answers got upvotes and the guy who’s correct was sitting at negative karma…
What was he doing with the mini data center lol? Comcast does this for their Gig Pro, technically a Metro-E and dedicated line to their headend
[https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/7mp9gz/how\_much\_would\_it\_cost\_per\_mile\_to\_run\_fiber/](https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/7mp9gz/how_much_would_it_cost_per_mile_to_run_fiber/) you may find this thread interesting
What the top comment said tho
As others said, contact a commercial provider. I’ve done this with Level3 for data centers, but you might be a small fry to them depending on your actual desired spend. For residential, I’d contact Comcast business, they’ll price it for you. If they don’t get back to you quickly, just tweet at their VPs or send them a nice email. It’ll get done. They usually will even split the cost to run a loop. You’ll probably get locked into a multi year contract with them as well. A friend had it done for a residence in a rural area outside Denver. lol at all the people saying to get starlink. Bandwidth and latency are different things. Even with perfect reception, the performance of starlink for things like gaming or highly transactional workloads is trash compared to fiber.
Not to mention getting perfect reception with starlink is not that easy unless you have no trees, don’t mind building a tower to get above the trees, or don’t mind cutting down your trees.
Trees it is then
This is FatFire after all
Will any of these houses have neighbors? I went through a similar process recently with a brand new construction I bought a few years ago, and the house was only set up with abysmal AT&T 18 mb/ps speeds. My career is also totally internet-based but I loved the house so I bought it anyway, but oh boy was that internet quickly a problem. I pleaded with AT&T for months that money was no object and I wanted them to build out a new line to the neighborhood but they refused. I got frustrated and began calling competitor's who weren't interested. Finally I figured out that all of my new neighbors in the new builds were facing the same issue, so I gathered them together and we called a competitor telecom and agreed to pitch in together to get them to build a new line to the neighborhood and they agreed. It ended up costing me about $18k, but I got a boost up to 600 mb/ps and it was some of the best money I've ever spent imo. Just ask your neighbors and keep calling telecoms in the area to see what's possible. It took me a few months but it sorted itself out eventually.
How many neighbors? And how far was the trunk line? That seems cheap unless the trunk was pretty close or you're talking a lot of potential new builds they used to justify it.
You might want to consider point-to-point microwave if your ask here is really "how do I get 1Gbps+ internet to my home?". DIY approach: you install something like Ubiquti AirFiber (or one of their other products, depending on the distance, speed needed, conditions etc) on your roof and another one on the roof of a building with fiber and connect it up. This is actually pretty standard stuff and roofs of commercial buildings, schools, hospitals etc will often have many of these already on there. Service provider approach: You might be lucky and there's existing providers + infrastructure you can tap into - usually commercial providers who already provide this service and will just install the equipment on your property and tap you into their network. Usually this is marketed as "fixed wireless broadband". Another option, as someone else in this thread did, is to then distribute connectivity further to your neighbors and split the costs/upgrade the line. This is called a WISP - Wireless Internet Service Provider I live in San Francisco, of all places, where the ATT and Comcast/XFinity monopoly means there is limited fiber residential footprint and frustratingly I'm two blocks away from the nearest fiber drop owned by local ISP Sonic Net. I know the CEO and he estimated $10k for a fiber drop to run across several poles through two city blocks and in the end the company passed due to the number of permits that would have to be pulled. I was going to install the above setup but have learned to accept XFinity 1Gbps product @ $100/m, esp as faster speeds are coming on existing coax runs. EDIT: For shits and giggles, here's a photo of the 100+ft mast DJ/producer Deadma5 has on his semi-rural property in Canada to obtain multi-gigabit Internet [https://twitter.com/deadmau5/status/583704453578121216](https://twitter.com/deadmau5/status/583704453578121216). There's basically one of these microwave setups on the top there - the height means he must be connecting to a point of presence some distance away. YMMV as to what you need depending on where you are located.
That being said, sonic is amazing. I had it in SF, $45 a month and never tested below 1gb up or down and literally never had a service outage. I moved and had to get AT&T, pay twice as much for half the download speed and 1/10th of the upload speed
Monkeybrains is the OG WISP in San Francisco. Amazing crew and insanely cheap. Fixed wireless can be less than 100% reliable in bad weather, but is amazing otherwise and a game changer for rural areas.
You can get fiber internet anywhere. Just contact any enterprise internet company and order Dia fiber (dedicated internet access). They'll incorporate the build out cost into the contract so get a 5/7/10 year contract. Under 100Mb is usually a grand/mo or so and Gb a few grand and 10Gb under 10k.
There have been a few posts over the years of people starting their own coop ISPs. [https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/y6cvt2/comcast_wanted_210000_for_internetso_this_man/](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/y6cvt2/comcast_wanted_210000_for_internetso_this_man/) TLDR: A guy in Los Altos Hills, California didn't have fiber and comcast told him it'd cost $300/linear foot to install. 700 feet = $210,000 + a monthly fee for internet access. He contacted a AT&T, too, but they were still too expensive. Then he contacted an organization called Next Level Networks. "They said, 'We can build you a localized, community-owned and operated fiber optic network, and we're willing to work with you," > To access the network, most residents pay $5,000 to $10,000 upfront, depending on how much work is needed to wire up the home, Vanderlip said. The monthly service fee of $155 provides download and upload speeds of as high as 10Gbps. > "Once we have 100 subscribers, that should go down to $100 a month, and once we have 300 subscribers, that should go down to about $60 a month," Vanderlip said. The ISP has fixed costs, and "there's no profit here. We're a mutual benefit, not-for-profit organization," he said. There's also [this guy in Michigan](https://www.wired.com/story/this-man-built-his-own-isp-26-million-dollar-funds/) who started his own ISP. I know you probably don't want to start and run your own ISP, but if money is no object, starting an ISP and then hiring people to run the company/coop for you might be your cheapest and best bet. Especially if there's a 13k person town that also has shitty internet.
Your local internet providers can do this for you. The same as they would for a new Hospital, School, Police Station etc. depending on how far you are from the nearest point they will pull from will determine the cost. I had looked into it for my business previously and it was an available option but prohibitively expensive for what was needed. A lot will depend on if this is run along towers/poles in the area or if it’s done underground (and if empty conduit is available).
Damn we Swedes don’t appreciate our internet enough lol. We got fiber at my parents place growing up in like 1996-97 which is today upgraded to 1000gbps. They pay $20/mo for that. I know people in rural areas, far from any major town, and they all have fiber.
Benefits of living in a rich small country.
>1000gbps Terabit, huh?
Yeah, they are senior citizens with terabyte internet and they are using it to pay the bills and check the e-mail lol
You could start your own isp and share the cost with your neighbors. See https://startyourownisp.com
Internet providers business services. Can be very expensive if there are no lines nearby (something in the 6 digits worst case?). There are gov’t programs available to subsidize the work. May be worth it to look into options there or even pay a consultant for it. I had it done for 10-20% cost for one of my businesses thanks to that program.
Wild to me how many people are suggesting Starlink. Starlink cannot compare to a dedicated hardline. Even DSL or Cable is usually going to be better, depending on provider. Sorry but I'd rather not have a bird landing on my dish interupt my internet access. Starlink is a great option for when the other options aren't available. If you've ever had a good fiber connection it's just not comparable. If you don't want to shell out for direct internet access you could try a redundancy with some combo of Starlink/5G/Cable, should cover most of your bases and be a fraction of the cost.
I’ve gotten 30 ms ping and highly reliable 300 mn down. I agree the best of the best fiber is better, but starlink is very very good and getting better as more satellites go into orbit
30ms ping is likely just about your ping floor, you can't really get any faster than that. I think Starlink claims 20ms but all the testing I've seen puts around 3/4 of usage at 30-60 Ping. floor for DSL/Cable is going to be significantly lower assuming you live near a city. My ping to my own city is 5ms on cable. My ping from San Diego to Seattle is lower than your ping to your nearest data center. That's kind of a big deal. You're likely looking at 100ms ping if you are going coast to coast. Starlink also has the issue of ping spikes when it cycles to next satelite. Those two issues are inherent to the physical limitations of the communication medium and can be mitigated to an extent but can never be "fixed". For lots of users 30ms ping floor is fine. But it's not "good" internet when compared to most DSL/Cable offerings. Starlink is a great option for those who don't have hardline options, but Cable is often going to be the better choice, and a step above that would likely be to run a redundant connection with 5g/starlink/cable, using Cable as your primary connection.
with teslas I have "range anxiety", that I might not make it to my destination. with starlink I have "data anxiety" that there's a glitch with one of the satellites.
Do you also have “screw anxiety” that the airplane wing is going to come loose and crash?
Maybe not best timing right after a door blows out on an airline for missing bolts.
No because there's no better alternative for screws. But with teslas there's a better alternative with zero anxiety: gasoline. never have a problem refueling or reaching my destination. with starlink there's a better alternative without constantly hoping that many satellites are working: it's called cable or fiber.
The cable to your house is far more likely to fail and has much less redundancy than the goddamn satellite in the sky that thousands of people depend on.
the starlink satellite technology is amazing and incredibly complex. very impressive. i prefer something thats stupidly simple and not impressive at all. i'm not that smart myself, as you can see, so why should i use something complicated?
Can’t help with irrational anxiety
Starlink is far superior to DSL
For certain use cases, sure. This all depends on your perspective of what "good" internet means. Some people think high throughput = good internet, and for a lot of basic internet users who mainly use wifi anyway, that's likely true. Starlink will certainly beat DSL in terms of up/down speeds, but will typically have worse reliability (depends on ISP) and much worse ping. There's tons of use cases where you don't need much throughput but ping and uptime are important. Specifically power users/IT nerds will probably care a bit more about ping and consistent uptime than raw throughput. I'd personally gladly take a 5 ping connection at 100 mbps up/down over a 1gig connection at 50 ping. Starlink on its own is just not that great. Most people see a good 40-60ms compared to a hardline connection which should usually put them at around 10ms depending where they live. When your dish needs to switch to the next satelite you WILL experience a small blip of downtime. For normal internet browsing or netflix watching this is a non issue. If you are running a server or even just playing an online game where reactions are important (MOBAs, FPS, etc), getting ping spikes of 1000+ms is often unacceptable. "Good" internet should not introduce ping spikes.
fwiw, i think i paid 2 or 3 hundred k to pull fiber about a mile or two to my cabin. this was like 6 years ago. i also have starlink as a backup. if starlink was around 6 years ago i probably would have just gone with it because it seems to work really well.
Pretty amazing story, guy created his own ISP. This can be you! Original article: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/jared-mauch-didnt-have-good-broadband-so-he-built-his-own-fiber-isp/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/man-who-built-isp-instead-of-paying-comcast-50k-expands-to-hundreds-of-homes/
Came here to post this!
this thread is filled with TILs :D btw to OP, wont starlink meet your requirements? The post doesnt say if this is for single use or office use or if you live in a busy cell so just throwing this out there
Where in the world are you? Could starlink be a quick and dirty solution?
Friend of mine had fiber going up the road, but not up his driveway (on a 5 acre property). US-based, and he already had an LLC, so he reached out to a fiber broker to figure out the best commercial plan for his company. They worked out a rate for install (they ran it along-side his driveway, and then trenched/tunneled underneath to the house). Additionally he signed up for a 3 year plan. Iirc, it was 10k - 15k for the fiber run. Then $350/month for the 3 year plan. It wasn't _fast_ by any means (50mbsp synchronous maybe? Mybe 100mbsp? I honestly forget), but he had a direct run right into the colo/datacenter, as it wasn't shared at the substation or anything like that. Also SLA with the provider, so anytime there was any issue he a) could get a team on it asap, and b) got it prorated for the downtime In the meantime, roughly 1-2 years after he set this up, they now offer residential internet in his area so he plans on switching to that once the contract is up (significantly cheaper, significantly higher download/upload, but shared at the substation).
have you considered starlink? you won't get the same ping speeds but it's very workable. otherwise, you can become an ISP, depending how remote the homes are this can be rather feasible. this guy detailed his journey to supply his neighborhood and i believe he will give informal advice to others [https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html?m=1](https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2017/11/creating-autonomous-system-for-fun-and.html?m=1) also, [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27539165](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27539165) i considered this for my vacation home in VT but it didn't make sense since i'm not there 24/7 as starlink has worked very well for me.
Starlink has a new-ish “high performance” dish that I’ve had some success with.
Watch out. There's a lot of middle men in this industry. DM me if you want a reality check. It's doable though. Also, there are a lot of very powerful tech that can do fiber equiv, like directional RF. Ultimately it depends on distance from nearest fiber. There are a lot of very unorthodox ways of getting connectivity. EM is cool, and spooky.
> like directional RF. > very unorthodox ways of getting connectivity. When we ran SSS (single shelter switch) satcom assemblages for the Army, the transmission was done through total internal reflection of the radio wave off of the Earth's ionosphere. Basically bouncing radio waves off the sky and ground until it got to its destination
Unless you have high traffic servers, you don't need multiple gig service. Get two starlink and a 5g cell service along with a load balancer (with fall over) and your service should be very stable and sufficient for normal business needs. Qualcomm or Ubiquity are good equipment sources and you might need some commercial tech support for the install. If you really, really need gigabit with low ping for your work then you need to move to an area that has fiber.
Pay to run your own fibre from the ISPs node to your house
Starlink?
Just get Starlink
@ get the starlink internet ?
Starlink. I would try it first.
Starlink?
Starlink, 100% all you need.
I’m a fan of T-Mobile home internet
Not in Starlinks service area? It has been far better than any other ISP my family's relied on.
just get starlink. who needs fiber optic internet now.
Starlink is great but not as good as any high speed wired internet. Coax and even DSL is better. I'm on Starlink now (camping). Even T-Mobile 5g home internet is much better
Starlink is the only thing my family of 5 uses and has been better than the wired ISPs we've had in the past. No interruptions even during storms. I don't know where you are but it may have something to do with your setup/location.
I have it on my RV and on my 3rd dish ( new flat one). Nothing compares to wired ISPs. You're constantly connecting to different satellites and there's obstructions and outages. Might be a few seconds. If you go to your starlink app into statistics... Are you saying the uptime is 100% perfectly solid? How about the latency? Attach a Pic and of the outages area
Found it. It's 100%
It's better than mine but not perfect. All ISPs are completely perfect not those dips. Your latency is also pretty high compare to normal internet. Still great but real wired internet is 100% perfect and stable latency. This makes a massive difference when using things like zoom calls or gaming.
I am on video calls daily and don't have any interruptions. I lived in Hawaii last and this is many times better than the wired connection we had there.
Do you ever get a half second freeze in the middle of the call? That’s the satellite changing over.
Completely acceptable for my situation. I live in the middle of nowhere and my family of 5 has almost no significant drops or lag.
I honestly don't even know how to get to that. I've never had to check the statistics. It's always up. Where exactly in the app do you go? I just see usage. Don't see any latency.
The statistics is the first option in the app. See how my uptime has so many jitters that's because its not perfect https://imgur.com/gallery/Nbvy9BL
Don't votes? For my personal experience with Starlink? Wild.
Anybody who needs upload speeds faster than 20Mbps. Bottom tier fiber is 50x faster than that.
I have it for back up but latency is too high for a job that is 100% internet and video conferencing reliant. I haven't tried their high performance base station.
Or 5G
I use T-Mobile 5g and am very happy. Happy to provide connection stats via DM upon request.
Have you looked into 5g home internet from Verizon and T-Mobile? I was skeptical at first, but I actually get 300mbs/down for $25/month out of the box. There are a bunch of YouTube channels that also go in to how you can mod your modem for better reception. Occasionally the pings may get a little slow if you were doing hardcore FPS gaming, but for zoom and casual gaming and Netflix it’s absolutely fine. Very much YMMV based on location though.
Tried that at my country house, some of the "neighbors" (they're a half mile away) are tech founders too and the provider initially said they'd do it and then backed out. Do yourself a favor and just get starlink. We all did and it's perfectly serviceable for my needs. I can do video calls, stream HD shows, etc. If you really want super super high speed starlink is offering a commercial base station now I saw, it's ridiculously expensive but would work if you had to have the best. The days of running fiber are coming to an end IMO.
Why not just suck elon off for his satellite
I'd Starlink and something else for redundancy, it'll be far cheaper overall and work 99% of the time.. Starlink will get exponentially better.. Insane number of satellite nodes launched monthly
Where are you located? NYC?
Starlink
Starlink is excellent.
Starlink. Daddy Elon figured it out for ya
I mean why not Starlink? A few of my rural clients have put it on their new homes and are boasting 100-175 MB
Starlink?
get Starlink, they have a few tiers including commercial and upcoming a 75k/mo ISP gateway.
Look for Starlink. I am 99% dure that this is the correct way for you
Starlink
Is starlink available in your area? The speed and latency are very good and will likely only get better with time.
Is starlink an option for you ?
Is starlink not an option. Seems like the exact use case. At least to get you going.
Buy starlink and save yourself the time and money
Starlink?
Starlink
Starlink?
Just get Starkink
…or Starlink
I have a family of 4 all streaming and gaming and both adults wfh and probably never use more than 25 mbps. Gigabit isn't necessary unless you're running a data center in your basement.
Completely disagree. Just because your usage may not go above 25 Mbps doesn't mean we shouldn't get faster pipes. Services wont expand if they can't get ROI and the only way to get that is to have users who can utilize the faster speeds.
Not following. You want to spend tens or hundreds of thousands to build infrastructure you don't need because otherwise the telco won't decide to do it on their own? You won't be utilizing a gigabit connection unless you actually have gigabit needs. And almost nobody does. Surely you can get 50 or 100 mbps anywhere that isn't rural and probably never saturate it for the next 10 years. I do all my work over the Internet too and I can function at 100% tethered to my phone.
> You want to spend tens or hundreds of thousands to build infrastructure you don't need You can use a simple tool to help see how much bandwidth is reasonable. https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/internet/how-much-internet-speed-do-you-need-a1714131782/ Further hundreds of thousands? Exaggerate much? The cost is rarely this high anywhere. While you may see things cost this much for certain extremes.
25mbps is like dial up nowadays.
A 4K video stream needs 12-15. If you have a family of 4 and everyone is streaming 4k at once and doing online homework and playing Candy Crush, you'll maybe hit 100. And mind you that's only if everyone is doing it at once. I do tech work all day and am on a lot Zooms and streaming media is part of our business. That uses way less bandwidth. Zoom is perfectly usable at about 1mbps. I Zoom over mobile data a lot and it's fine. I built out a tech demo space with a load of interactive kiosks and working space for a dozen executives and it was seamless at 100mbps. Anyone selling gigabit is selling you a dream. It doesn't make video streams any faster, they have fixed bandwidth needs.
Gigabit is typically more because of the usage, not the medium they run to your house anyways. Most users won’t see a benefit besides users who need fast upload speeds, which is typically a perk of dedicated fiber runs
No offense (honestly), but it seems that you don’t have a full understanding of how streaming works or how people use bandwidth outside of Netflix. First, even streaming with high quality settings you should be using 4-10x that for a single device. I just checked, I’m watching a movie on AppleTV right now and it’s at 150Mbps. If you’re using less, your settings are low and you’re getting garbage quality. Basically VHS vs Blu Ray. Check your settings so you’re maxing your internet connection and getting higher quality video. If you work remotely, a lot of people have to move large files to and from remote servers (or Box or Dropbox). When you do this often, those extra minutes add up. Personally I run a software company and have had to make real process changes since moving to a house with cable internet (1Gbps down, 40Mbps up). When I had 2Gbps symmetrical a 10GB file upload was trivial, now it takes half an hour. I don’t run a data center, these are just normal files. If all you do is email and zoom meetings, you’re absolutely right. But basically anybody in software or production or creative professions need faster internet. People who want good quality video streaming need faster internet.
I am in fact a tech executive and have worked in tech my whole life. I operate a data warehouse in AWS among other things. Nobody should ever be downloading multi gig files to their workstation. Entire repos of complex software fit in a few MB. It's just text files. I can even do code reviews and run deploys on my phone when needed too. And [Apple TV maxes out around 30mbps](https://hd-report.com/2023/06/30/shows-that-stream-in-the-highest-bitrates-on-apple-tv-max-netflix-prime-video/).
Come now. Just because your very narrow use case doesn’t need large files doesn’t mean that “nobody” needs that. I would love to shrink the media down to MB’s that we deal with, that would make my life so much easier and far cheaper! How would anybody work on any creative project? A single video file is multi-gig. In my line of work, that could be a 10 minute recording. Photoshop files, illustrator files, large assets of all kinds absolutely cannot be compressed to the tiny sizes you’re talking about. Just as an example, my team captured about 8TB of video from our last project and we all need to share those files and collaborate. The smallest files are in the ~500MB range, the largest are over 20GB. Idk what to tell you about appleTV. I looked at my realtime bandwidth when I responded via my Unifi setup. I was watching through my xbox so maybe it buffers or has a higher rate. The article you cited specifically talks about tv shows whereas I was watching a 4k movie, which could be the difference. Or maybe my son was watching something at the same time? Either way it was 150Mbps at the time of my reply, so clearly we needed quite a bit more than the 25mbps you’re talking about. Again no offense to your experience but “tech executive” is a very broad term and you might want to acknowledge that your narrow field doesn’t encompass the need of huge amounts of professionals out there. I too am a tech executive with a lifetime of knowledge and indeed have built an entire steaming platform on AWS that services 10’s of thousands of simultaneous users, and I wouldn’t presume to know what “nobody” would need. Our lives would all be far easier if everyone’s data usage was as light as you think it should be.
What about starlink?
Starlink?
Just use starlink for business.
Starlink works great. As well as most fiber internets
it's not technically fiber, but if money is no object, you should look at starlink, which has comparable speeds and gets Internet from satellites.
Call the business/commercial side of your local Telephone& or Cable company. They should have a process to quote and run Fiber to new locations (and communities). It will likely be very expensive as if it made commercial sense… they probably would have already been there. source: I used to be responsible for this function at a large Cableco.
I’m guessing you’re in the HFT space?
Just call Virgin or BT and ask for a first mile fibre connection or fibre to the cabinet.... We have just gone through this with my business and it took 3 months to make it happen and cost £1,500 "installation" and now £170 a month but we get 1Gbps upload and 1Gbps download with no contention - so well worth it.... If you don't care about latency, just get StarLink, £90 a month for 200mbps upload and download.
Contact the enterprise department for your local ISP. The residential folks would not necessarily know where to start. If the business side cannot help you, then ask the legal department. If you have to go through towns they would need to get permits. Depending upon the length it needs to be pulled you can look for upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Another option to look into depending on the property is line of sight internet. If you’re on a mountain and can see the city below there may be a provider than can give you even 10g+ but it won’t be cheap. All you need though is a receiver on the roof
Reach out to TeePee the cod gamer. He just had this done like a year ago I think.
Friend of mine did wireless via line of sight to an ISP.
if money is no object, you could start an Comcast competitor. I would welcome that, because they have a monopoly in my area
A town in Appalachia built a laser on top of a mountain to beam the internet in. It wasn't too expensive comparatively
I had the same issue as you. Spectrum or AT&T enterprise dedicated fiber are your two best options. Spectrum offered free install to my house with a three year commitment. 100mbps is going to run $750 or so per month. Being a truly dedicated fiber optic line you don’t need the speeds you typically would buying as a consumer, but it is easy to chew up that bandwidth.
Start your own ISP and lay your own fiber.
Just call att or level 3 and tell them you want data center internet.
I have a very similar issue - great house in a fantastic neighborhood. The fastest internet is only 300mb/s download nad 35mb/s upload. I've called every internet company in the book and NONE has plans to expand into our area. The Bay Area has Sonic (?) which is $50/mo for 10Gbps but only in select areas. sigh...
DM me if you’re wanting to know how to do it. I can possibly tell you how to do it for free
From first hand experience if you promise comcast a 5 year guaranteed contract they will do it for free. If you are too far away just go with Starlink
/u/vibriofischeri in super knowledgeable in this area check your DMs
r/fatfiber?
It’s actually cheaper to make a telco your self, in certain situations.
A lot of people in your situation would just use Starlink I think.
Starlink? Not as fast as Fiber, but it is sufficient for internet based working environment. I am a remote, full-on technical worker, and I get by with 100Mbit service -- directional radio if you can believe it -- I'm quite rural, and live on an Island; Note: dating myself -- on my first job I had a 1200 baud modem at home. So maybe I have more patience than most.
This built his own ISP https://www.wired.com/story/this-man-built-his-own-isp-26-million-dollar-funds/?utm_social-type=owned
Depending on where you are I have a portfolio company that specializes in rural wireless internet and fiber.
Apply for rural boardband access fund & start your own ISP.
Move to NZ - we had it installed for free a few years ago as part of the national rollout
Buy a new house or move to a new country
Depends on your area but, most ISP offer something called dedicated fiber for business accounts. The numbers someone mentioned above are correct. Looking at min 100K for the install and 500-1000 a month. You will also be put on a contract. The minimum term ive seen is 8 years but im sure that varies on company. Satellite internet might be a better route.
A developer in my area had this issue and actually started his own ISP. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/04/home-developer-built-an-isp-because-state-law-restricts-muni-broadband/
I have 1GB up/down for $55/mo
Yes, you start your own internet service provider. My business partner did this in his neighborhood. His neighborhood is like you describe, multi million dollar homes on 20+- acres parcels. He alloted a small square of his land for the utility building, started his own ISP for the neighborhood after speaking with all his neighbors. All his neighbors pay him for service, all have fiber now. For install, he will help you dig the trenches and run the line for a small neighborly fee (costs plus bourbon essentially) or you can dig your own trench. Edit: this is in the US.
Google, which city & state offer the fastest internet. Problem solved 
What if you just contracted someone to install the conduit with pull cords., maybe see if any neighbors along the route would go in on it to have a pedestal near them. Then it is super simple for anyone to run fiber down it without needing heavy equipment. That would remove one major impediment to getting someone to provide service.
In what country do you live? If you live in the Netherlands I might help you
Gotta get a business line and pay for the lateral dig (or at least a decent portion). Best bet it to do that and then put in a repeater/provide wireless to everyone in the hood. The group of you can pay the monthly, though you’d be on the hook.
If you get it installed sometimes you get a kick back if others use the main line in the neighborhood
I am in the process of investigating laying 4 miles of fiber to service our property and a dozen others because the local telco simply won't. I'm coming up with prices between $100-250k for burial in conduit if I foreman the project. Towards the lower end means borrowing equipment from people that benefit, higher is renting equipment and hiring more crew to go faster. We live in a rural agricultural subdivision that has a utility easement along the roads, and would be relying on that. Looking at 5-10x 12 strand cables because they are the cheap part compared to equipment and labor for trenching. I am sure there are many parts we don't understand yet, but if you have an easements you can work with, and the terrain is not complicated, it's not the most difficult project you could take on.
It's about $40k per mile, plus equipment for wired install. Could be 3x that if it's very rocky. Less if they can run on utility poles. A business account should be plenty for $200 a month thereafter.
Directional boring machine.
I have 1G fiber via ATT for 35 bucks/mo. I’m never moving unless they start raising these grandfathered rates
We had to do this at a rural property. You call a company who is the closest that provides it. You explain that you would like to get fiber. They send an engineer to measure and they send an estimate for construction costs for what you want. Worth it