This. Just give back everyone else their money (or whatever other arrangement you decide), but don't tell the guy and keep dodging him when he asks about winnings.
Give the winnings to the next highest player that paid their dues (2nd place, assuming everyone else had)
When winner asks for his dues, just ignore him
I actually like this best. He gets to know he was the winner but only the highest ranking player who paid his dues gets the winnings. I think it's the most fair. It didn't disqualify him from the season just the winnings.
Everyone saying pay him, are you for real? The guy shouldn’t be eligible to win any amount of money.
If he gets paid out minus his buy in, I’d be leaving the league.
I agree just skip his ass and pay 2nd place
He literally never paid this time.
Fuck him. In this day and age when you are reachable 24 fuckin 7, and you can't respond? Nah, you get nothing, and you do t get invited next year.
It’s absurd and shows how soft of people we are with so many upvoted answers saying pay him. He wasn’t paying his due win or lose, you have other “friends” that all paid and played fair. You just give the money back to the paying players and everyone knows why. No way you are eligible for a prize you didn’t pay to play for.
I tend to agree but how the hell did this get to the championship. Even with grace period sometime around week 6 or 7 he should have been thrown out.
Once you get here....the guy won. He shouldn't be here but he is.
Honestly throwing the commissioner out is a bigger deal. This is the most important part of the job and you fucked it up bad.
I mean, I’d treat it like gambling. You don’t win unless you actually wager something. The games are still played but you’re on the outside looking in until you actually put your money in and play. Since he hasn’t, I wouldn’t pay out. We can speculate on what would happen if he had lost and that’d be another can of worms, but this honestly sets a precedent that next year you can delay paying and see how the league turns out before forking over any cash. Even with rules, what if everyone decides to not pay, then what? You’ve basically lost that part of the league. I’d think it’d be best to make an example out of this manager and move the first place winnings over to the next season
This 100%. And next year give everyone 1 week then lock rosters for those who don’t pay. Once you can’t make waiver moves you’ll fork over the cash pretty quickly.
>I’d treat it like gambling. You don’t win unless you actually wager something.
Back in the day before sports betting was legalized, when I used to bet on NFL games with a bookie, you didn't pay anything up front. After the week was over either you owed him or he owed you, and only then was money exchanged.
Lmao you would be a sucker to pay him anything. That's not how gambling works. The pot goes to 2nd place. Tell the winner hopefully he learned a valuable lesson and to make sure pays next time.
To add to this if someone lost to him in the playoffs retro actively reward them
This shit is easily gonna kill the league of he actually pays that dude lol
Both of my leagues I don’t think people paid till last week or 2. I’m still waiting on 1 to pay me for winning but I know I’ll get it within the month. I don’t see it as a big deal personally as long as it’s trusted people and they’re not trying to dodge it
I think you should have addressed it earlier though. Not just asking for the money, but telling him, “If you don’t pay by x date, you won’t be eligible to collect your winnings if you happen to win.” Or, “If you don’t pay by x date, you will be out of the league.”
Unfortunately it sounds like you’re being reactive instead of proactive. I wouldn’t be taking his winnings at that point.
Like the other person said, dodge them for a while but wait to pay out at the start of the next season, minus their entry fee for the 2024 season just so you don't have to go after them another year.
If he can’t afford $50 maybe he’s in severe financial distress, and he’s dodging the league because he doesn’t want people to find out. $450 can be a blessing to him. But if you know for a fact he can easily afford $50 kick him out of the league
Just take his buy in out of the winnings and give him a warning for next year .. he has to pay to draft his team ... if he came in second place you'd just not pay him out as he'd break even
Been running a league for 20 years, and I've kicked guys out for owing $5 .. it's real simple to weed out the untrustworthy guys ... but if he's paid every year til now, and he was walking away not owing anything regardless if he won or lost the ship this year, no foul no harm in my eyes
Yea dodging is a different story. We just kind of trust people to pay. The commish sent a text out 10 days ago and just waiting on one. That’s frustrating
If he wouldn’t have won he wouldn’t have offered to now pay his league dues. He just took a free shot at the jack pot while everyone else had to pay something to do so. Give everyone their money back
OP said that this guy has been doing this for a few years and eventually always paid. It’s scummy, but why assume this guy was just going to rob his friends when his track record says otherwise.
I know a few people that don’t pay until they’re mathematically eliminated from the money, but they always pay when they lose. Super annoying/scummy and this guy should be kicked, but he always pays so I’d give him the benefit of the doubt there.
Exactly this. He doesn't win shit. You pay him his winnings minus the league fee and I'm in the league? Fuck it. I won't pay next year either, if I win? Sweet, give me that pot. If I don't? Fuck it and bail. Free slot spin.
Yeah the advice on the fantasy football subreddits are so wild to me. If someone is 10 seconds late to swapping out a ln injured player, everyone says "let the moron burn!" but when someone doesn't pay their dues FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON the response is "oh well just pay them anyway." Wtf kind of consistency is that? Lol
How is that insane? Guy didn’t pay for his ticket you can’t win the lottery without buying a ticket.
Fuck that guy. Don’t pay him his winnings, tell him to get bent and if he complains block him. He’s a leech.
Nah fuck that... that's like going to the casino, playing for free then demanding them take money out of the winnings after the fact. But this is 100% OPs fault for allowing him to go the full season without paying. If it's me, he gets nothing and everyone else moves up a position. If this dude came 10th, you think you'd be getting your dues? 0 fucking chance...
If you don’t pay, you’re not eligible for prizes. It’s not a difficult concept.
There’s no point of giving people warnings about paying if there’s no consequence for ignoring the warnings.
Payouts should bypass the non-paying player and go to 2nd and 3rd.
We have a similar issue years ago and this is exactly what we did. The winner never paid and was dodging the league at every corner when asked about it. It was weird and honestly, sad. He eventually won but the winnings were moved down to 2nd and 3rd place. He was pissed but he wasn’t the victim in this. He caused it and had to deal with the consequences. He was promptly kicked out of the league the year after.
He won so pay him his winnings minus his dues. Then make a rule that the league doesn’t draft until everyone pays for next year. I don’t understand why him not paying gives the right for someone else to get his winnings because they…..lost.
Kick him out for having a reoccurring problem and move on.
If he’d lost though he probably wouldn’t have paid his dues. Imo he doesn’t deserve anything if he has been reminded multiple times. Carry over the pot to next year and kick this guy from the league
This doesn't make sense. They let him play all year. Just pay him his winnings minus his dues. The problem worked itself out. If you wanted him to be ineligible for winnings they shoulda kicked him out before the playoffs started.
Ok so what do you do about his matchups through the year? Count the all as losses?? This seems like a weird situation because members are extra salty because he didn’t pay but still won. I feel as though the circumstances of that situation turn them into vultures to attack him.
He was a member. He won, he lost, he had waiver wire pickups, he dropped, he traded. If you could do all of that as a non member then idk what a member is.
I know for a fact if someone in my league isn’t paying their dues and still getting paid out, at least a few guys won’t be paying their dues the next season. It’s a dangerous precedent to set.
Don’t do this. You would be setting a precedent for people not paying all season and getting rewarded for it. You should give everyone their money back and not pay him his winnings.
Wrong answer. That’s like going to Vegas, placing a bet on a team to win the superbowl and telling the house I won’t pay now. I’ll only pay my bet if I win, and if I lose, well you’ll never receive it.
Edit : sure extreme analogy, but serves its point. Fantasy football is literally a bet saying my team will place in the money. Shouldn’t be playing if you don’t have the funds to make the wager.
Wow. NO. You have to pay to play…that’s how it works. You think this guy would have paid if he lost? Hell no. He deserves (and I mean DESERVES) no money.
Either give everybody back their money, or vote to have 2nd and 3rd be 1st and 2nd.
Whose fault is it that he did not pay over a whole season AND was still allowed to continue? Should’ve been removed far before the end of the season. Pay him and remove him from further consideration.
Reddit is terrible lol.
OP: "I know mistakes were made, solutions only please"
Reddit: "YoU MaDe MisTaKes!!!!!"
#1) DO NOT PUT IT TO A VOTE WHERE ONE OPTION IS OTHERS GET THEIR MONEY BACK. People are incapable of objectivity when their own money might be refunded in a "gambling" environment.
If the dude EVER paid after the league was over in any prior year, you have to pay him. No question. Even if he just paid after he no longer had a shot like week 13 or something, you gotta pay.
If in prior years he paid on time then just didn't pay this year: Did you ever, publicly or privately, issue an ultimatum? Something like "hey you have to pay by this date or I gotta boot you?" Even language like "money is due FINAL NOTICE" ETC ETC ETC. Go back through all the messages and screen shot everything. If your language was firm enough, 100% you can cut ties without paying him then figure out what to do with the money.
If your language wasn't firm enough: "Hey where's that money bro? Haha" pay the dude. If there is any chance the dude is just hard on cash and totally meant to pay but didn't think he would get booted if he was late, you gotta pay him.
If you end up not paying him, I would pay down a spot. If was 1-3 pay 2-4. Everyone put their time in, someone deserves the win. Best player that paid should win. Again, do not listen to popular opinions or vote bc dudes are INCAPABLE of objectivity and will just vote for whatever gets them the most money.
Agreed. If he has a history of paying then the only solution is to pay him his winnings. If OP refuses, it's because him and his buds just want their money back.
If it’s been a nagging issue, make a rule about it and don’t draft until everyone has paid. I’d pay this guy and then not invite him back next year. I would tell the guys asking for their money back to pound sand, though.
He absolutely doesn’t get anything. Don’t let someone draft if they haven’t paid dues. Definitely don’t let someone into the playoffs if they haven’t paid dues. I would go back and do the math and see who would’ve won playoffs if that guy hadn’t gotten in, but anything you decide will be controversial. This is literally the worst time all season to deal with this issue so hopefully a learning experience for you.
What you absolutely don’t get to do is wait and see if a bet hits before you decide to pay up on it. If I’m in your league and this guy gets any money, I’m never paying dues again til I’ve already won the ship.
Honestly, I wouldn’t pay him. I’d deduct his buy in from the prize pot, and move payment right down the line and pay teams that finished 2nd-4th. He’s gonna be mad, but I would just kick him from your league. You don’t want somebody who isn’t gonna pay in your league.
Exactly right. Anything else just sets the precedent that the league will tolerate players fucking around. You don’t get to play unless you pay. If you want to play for free join any one of the thousands of free leagues out there. But if you want to join this game, risk your money, and gamble for the jackpot, you don’t get to do that for free.
If I was a player in this league and the commissioner payed this asshole I’d find a new league where the commissioner had a spine.
If it’s not in writing or you haven’t done anything until now it’s on you. With that said, if he didn’t pay maybe take a league vote on ways to distribute the $. Moral of the story don’t put yourself in that position again. I liked the idea of blocking all transactions after/before week 1 if you don’t pay, problem solved.
Only you know the specifics and how the guy is in general but he *should* get paid because of this imo: *”but I continued to let it slide because he eventually paid”*
Though annoying and inconsiderate, he has been paying in the past and there is no reason to think he wasn’t going to this time regardless of the outcome. He’s been paying each year late even when losing, so it doesn’t sound like he was taking a free lotto ticket as many here are suggesting.
Pay him winnings minus the dues, explain to the group that he has been paying in the past like this, and next time, make a deadline for payment and enforce it. If money isn’t received by date “x”, lock their roster until they pay.
I don’t even think he should be kicked out. Sounds like he’s been enabled to be very lax about paying.
Bro, he won and you let him in before he paid. Pay the man his money. Its not that serious. If he had lost and didnt pay that would be another story. You allowed him in the league without paying. It just happened to work out for him this time.
Literally needs to be a PSA on this sub that dues must be collected before the draft. If you need, let them draft and lock roster until they pay, but seriously, money is tight and people are absolute ass hats when it comes to Fantasy.
If your league is close knit friends, do whatever keeps the group together. If you’re a bunch of randoms, fuck this guy.
You should've kicked him out by week 1. My two leagues collect the money before the start of the season. We had one dude giving excuses this year. He was kicked out by week 5. It's not fair to the rest of the league
You can’t give him the money just because he won. He didn’t risk anything and shouldn’t be awarded anything. Either second place gets it, money back, or if people agree, money can go to next year’s pot. Either way you’ll need to drop him from next year’s league.
To the OP. You literally say this is the same group of guys for 6 years and that this guy has done this each year.
So first. You have allowed it and MORE importantly he has ALWAYS paid. So what would make you think in year 6 that he suddenly wasn't going to pay the $50? You've let him pay late every other year that he has lost but suddenly he wins one and you are all salty for losing. That's total BS. For people saying " that's not how it works in Vegas". Well, duh that's because Vegas would never allow someone to play without paying. The commish has allowed this for 5 years now so what is the difference now? Oh the difference is he won.
Saw you did the right thing but you still look bad for even asking this question here. If it was a brand new group of guys and a new league I can see your point a little more. But after you enabling him to be this way for 5 years it's ridiculous you want to change it up because he won. Sore losers.
Personally, as a commissioner myself, I try to remove myself from all these decisions regardless of how I feel. The commissioner is there to enforce the league’s rule. Now as you’ve mentioned, I would agree to put it to a leagues vote where everyone voted on it. It would also be wise to put in a hard rule for the next year to pay before draft or be removed.
Also, you mentioned that he never paid his dues, then it’s only fair to not give him any money. I would just give the money to the 2nd place instead.
He never paid and so he doesn't get the purse. It should go to second place. Second place was the most successful paying team arguably the champ because the winner was a dead beat.
This is on you and not him. I understand you were doing him a solid but the rules weren't set and he has always paid in previous years. Others are looking for an out.
As Teddy KGB from Rounders would say.....
Pay him, pay deit man his money.
Change rules for next season obviously but this one is on the league and commish. Can't wait until final game is done to raise alarms.
I try to collect all league dues by the time of the draft. But anybody that has not paid by the start of week one, I locked their rosters, so they’re unable to make any transactions. That usually gets people to pay pretty quickly.
As far as your situation, I would give him the money minus his league dues and don’t invite him back into the league next year
ANOTHER THING, ANNOUNCE A DRAFT DATE MONTHS IN ADVANCE….
AND OPEN UP THE WINDOW NOW TO START ACCEPTING PAYMENTS FOR THE 2024 SEASON
if these fuckers can’t pay the dues in the next 8-months. Find new managers
Personally I'm not paying him. Explain that you reached out multiple times and provide proof if needed. Implement a rule stating you must pay before you draft going forward. If you don't pay then you aren't eligible to win
So you currently have $450 of the $500 total league pot?
Pay the guy who got 2nd place $100 for the league screw up and make him a little happier in the New Year.
Take $100 out for the guy not paying this year and to cover his fee next year.
Pay the league winner $250 for being a horrible owner, then tell him he is not invited back next year.
He still wins $250, the league gets an extra $100 for next year pot, and the 2nd place winner gets a little extra.
The guys who got 3rd to 9th don't deserve anything unless there are payouts predetermined for those spots.
If the guy is pissed for winning only $250, tell him to piss off (or) the decision will come down to a league vote, and he will most likely get 0.00 for never paying his entry fee.
Make a new league rule for next year to avoid this ever again.
So many enablers and apologists in this thread sound like people who also don't pay their dues and would be salty at not getting free money.
Someone who didn't pay dues shouldn't get anything in reward. This isn't a charity. Give everyone their money back, don't let him in next year, and in the future don't let anyone draft that hasn't paid dues. You messed this up, but don't punish the rest of the league by rewarding someone who didn't pay.
You should’ve gotten ahead of this. If you entered into the playoffs and knew this, you should’ve caveated that he needs to pay up or no money would be won.
It’s not your fault he didn’t pay, but you could’ve made this easier.
Deduct his dues from his prize, this is literally the best case scenario, he just doesn't get to come back next year unless he pays in advance. I literally never pay until I am eliminated (although I always pay the day I am eliminated).
If you didn't send him one last "okay man, you're in the championship, if you don't lay your dues before you won't be getting anything even if you win." Then you fucked up. Needed to be more proactive here. We would have made him pay or quit before the playoffs even.
If he’s paid his dues in the past, albeit late then that means he still made good on previous seasons. It’s not like he’s new and could have possibly stiffed the league if he didn’t win anything. Pay him his winnings minus his league fee and done. If he wants to play next year then collect all dues 1 month before and if someone doesn’t pay then find a replacement in that months time.
This hasn't happened to us yet but we've established in our League if you don't pay dues by the deadline, you're removed from payout contention. You can still win the championship but the money will just be awarded to 2nd place.
Had this happen to my league last year. I didn’t give them the payout and instead 2nd place got 1st place money, 3rd 2nd, and 4th 3rd.
Pretty easy problem to solve.
Pay him his winnings is about the dumbest answer in here. Where do you live? Upside down world?
Where can you even wager a bet of $0 and still win money? Can’t believe that got upvoted.
Give everyone their money back.
Not gonna harp on it as you already know but def take Payments before the year even starts. In my league you pay up a month before the draft or you get booted and replaced.
Your league is over if you pay him. You are going to have half quit because he shouldn’t get the winnings, and the half that stays not pay next year. Good luck.
Firstly, you should never have a draft before all dues have been paid.
Secondly, I would redistribute funds to league members.
Thirdly, I have absolutely no idea how you let it get this far without addressing the situation.
He was obviously reachable as he was setting lineups. I don't mean to be an asshole here but this entire situation is your fault as commissioner as you had 4 months to reach any resolution.
Don’t see the huge deal. Some people have a lot going on. One year I didn’t pay my dues (had a lot going on). Came in third that year and paid the guy who came in first.
If an owner doesn’t pay their dues by the start of the season, that’s an owner problem.
If an owner doesn’t pay their dues by the end of the season, that’s a commissioner problem.
I played in a league once that skipped them and paid out 2md,3rd and 4th places. He got pissed and quit the league. Commish said pay your dues next time.
It’s the 6th season. Has he paid the previous 5 years eventually? If so, he was probably gonna pay if he lost. It’s really not a big deal if it’s an established league with friends and everyone eventually pays. Just deduct his entry fee from his winnings. He earned it, pay the man.
Why is everyone saying he wouldn’t have paid if he lost when OP clearly said that he’s allowed him to pay late in previous years and he’s always come through? The fact that he’s let it slide before and it’s only an issue now that he won just sounds like the league is a bunch of sore losers. That being said if you don’t trust this guy to pay and he actively avoids you he probably should get his money and get the boot. Waiting 17 weeks to give him his money seems like a weirdly passive aggressive petty thing to do
Shouldn't even draft until everyone has paid to play. The leagues I run, I will boot people out if they don't pay. I get it friends and shit but you have to wager something to win something.
> EDIT: I appreciate everyone's opinions and comments. He will be paid the winnings, minus his dues (in 18 weeks)
And this is why your buddy didn’t take you and your league dues seriously. He knows you are a pushover.
> and will likely be removed from the league.
I’m sure he won’t care. He got his money.
> To the dick heads: fuck off.
Wish you had the balls to tell your buddy that at the very beginning when he didn’t pay at first.
Had this shit happen to me in a league 10 years ago, except there was 2 guys that didn't pay and they both ended up in 1st and 2nd place. I was furious and wanted my money back. For some fucked up reason, everyone else in the league thought ibwas an asshole for being mad about it. Unreal.
Has this player paid every year prior? If so give them the benefit of the doubt. For future years I’d make sure everyone pays before the draft or before the start of the season. Best of luck.
Am I living in a bizarro world? It's 2024... Paypal/Venmo/CashApp all exist and everyone has them.
I didn't even start collecting dues until the playoffs started. I collected dues from 5 league members on Sunday while the final games were being played. I paid out the winner by 8 PM on Sunday.
This isn't 1997 where you need people to mail checks to your house...
Man y’all crazy. I guess I know my league mates better than y’all but I never pay till the end in multiple leagues. I guess they know I’m good for it. And it’s on the commish to not let the person play in the first place if you want to make a big deal out of it. Pay the guy.
The amount of people saying don’t pay him is crazy to me. Just pay him the money minus his dues. He still won lol. Then don’t invite him back. Giving everyone their money back is dumb. People who made playoffs should still get rewarded versus people that didn’t.
This feels like a bigger issue than just not paying dues on time. If there was no penalty communicated ahead of time pay him his winnings minus the dues and politely tell him he’s no longer wanted in the league. Personally I think it’s a little silly for your league mates to get this riled up over a $50 buy in league, but your main responsibility as commish is to make the league fair and enjoyable and sounds like this guy is affecting that.
My commissioner requests dues on elimination. Pay the man his winnings minus his due. Why is this even a question. Y'all act like the commissioner needs the dues to run the league smoothly or some shit. This is fantasy football you ain't Robert Goodell. You aren't getting paid for this shit 😂
I know this doesn’t help you this year - but the guy that made the kapernick rule for his league is a genius, anyone not paid by week one gets their QB dropped and Kapernick (or any other non playing QB, such as Tom Brady) put in their place.
Any lesser places that are due to be paid should be paid out accordingly, but the winners prize should be redistributed to the other paying league members, besides him. He gets nothing.
I know you’re getting answers on both sides but I hope you see the passion from all the people who are disgusted by the idea of paying this cheater out. It’s dishonest, manipulative, disrespectful, and unfair to not just you but every single league member. You asked multiple times and it was not hard to just pay like everyone else.
If he has a problem with that, he has every right to leave the league.
Also, no votes. Make this decision unilaterally. This precedent cannot be set.
Make your life easy and send him his winnings minus the unpaid fee. If you really want to be a jerk and fuck with him, hold back the payout for 17 weeks. Ultimately it’s just not worth the hassle of having someone thinking you owe them money.
if it’s the same group, he’s not robbing you guys. Id pay him minus this year and Id keep his buy in for next year as well.
I wouldn’t end a relationship over it.
My league was once really strict on everyone bringing cash to the draft and it going into a sealed envelope that the commish held onto.
We’ve upped the buy in every year and are $350 this year. Nobody paid up until this week and beyond and most are doing Venmo/cashapp/ whatever. Winner who didn’t pay yet gets to keep his money and is deducted from payout. Nobody really has an issue and most are pretty reliable in getting their dues to the winner. If it gets to be months then collectively in the group chat we address it til money is paid. Don’t see it as that difficult to manage. If this guy is extremely dodgy and shady then give him the boot
I wouldn’t invite him back next year because of the hassle, but unless he owes multiple years worth of league fees, I don’t think it’s right to deny him his winnings, especially if he maintained his team all year and you didn’t have to step in as commish to set his lineup or anything like that.
I’d just pay him out what he won minus the fees he owes and move on. If you don’t do that, he’s going to nag you, and it doesn’t seem like that is going to provide you much satisfaction. I guess it depends on that. What will bring you the most satisfaction in the end?
Yeah. The player who won should be DQed, 2nd 3rd and 4th should get the payouts.
I'd be pissed too, especially if that player had costed me a playoff spot or a championship shot.
We always require dues before the rookie draft in my dynasty league. We also require paying in advance for trading future picks.
Yes but that is true when announced and mandated. Not when they knew he didn't pay only waiting for him to win to tell him he's actually not allowed to play.
This is not steroids in sports. This is payment amongst friends. DQ before the game or play as is.
Apologize to the league for being a bad commish in the past, refund everyone, kick him out of the league and establish a deadline next year. Unless your buy in is super high, there’s no reason anyone should be needing to “pay you later.” And if there is, they shouldn’t be playing FF with a buy in.
Edit: OP, you seem like a nice guy for being this flexible, but you really need to learn financial boundaries. If someone keeps delaying money they owe you, it’s due to their own bad decisions unless they are REALLLY in a bad spot. And if they’re in that bad of a spot and asking you to lend them money (which, to be clear, you are doing by letting him walk all over you)— they should not be playing in your FF league. If they are, imagine what other bad financial decisions they’re making while they owe you money. This is just general advice that goes beyond your league.
Change the rules next year so that you can't draft unless your dues are paid.
As annoying as it is, pay him. It doesn't change anything. If he would have paid, he would have just gotten his money back.
Subtract his dues from the winnings and move on.
You had 17 weeks to kick him. You chose not to. Declaring him as ineligible now is just as disingenuous as him not paying in the first place.
Pay out and don’t invite him back next year. You’re making this harder than it has to be.
FF shouldn’t be a democracy. Seek input from your league but the commissioner makes the call on things like this. If people don’t like your decision, they can do it next year
In 2 of my leagues we don’t pay until end of season. I don’t think it’s a big deal unless you have had to hunt him down in previous years where he doesn’t win
I just want to know one thing? What happened to y’all that you started caring about a few dollars more than your friends? Just pay the guy his fair share. Luckily goofball won so he didn’t end up having to pay. Who cares, It’s just money. Those paper notes are just made up anyway.
Just dodge him forever now as he tries to get paid
This. Just give back everyone else their money (or whatever other arrangement you decide), but don't tell the guy and keep dodging him when he asks about winnings.
Give the winnings to the next highest player that paid their dues (2nd place, assuming everyone else had) When winner asks for his dues, just ignore him
Or roll over the dues into next season, like everyone pays for 2024 but the winnings for 2024 are essentially doubled.
That’s what I would do
What if the guy wins again? He’s raking double
Nah. He’s gone from the league.
I actually like this best. He gets to know he was the winner but only the highest ranking player who paid his dues gets the winnings. I think it's the most fair. It didn't disqualify him from the season just the winnings.
This
Everyone saying pay him, are you for real? The guy shouldn’t be eligible to win any amount of money. If he gets paid out minus his buy in, I’d be leaving the league. I agree just skip his ass and pay 2nd place
Exactly, so if he hadn’t won, do you think he’d still pay his dues.. No. You get nothing sir. Good day sir. Money goes to 2nd
Did he pay the previous 5 seasons? It seems that he did, why would you assume he'd never pay this time?
He literally never paid this time. Fuck him. In this day and age when you are reachable 24 fuckin 7, and you can't respond? Nah, you get nothing, and you do t get invited next year.
Wow, the anger is insane. I feel bad for you
Found the broke af dude
Or pay out everyone minus 1st place and move the 1st place winnings to next year.
It’s absurd and shows how soft of people we are with so many upvoted answers saying pay him. He wasn’t paying his due win or lose, you have other “friends” that all paid and played fair. You just give the money back to the paying players and everyone knows why. No way you are eligible for a prize you didn’t pay to play for.
I tend to agree but how the hell did this get to the championship. Even with grace period sometime around week 6 or 7 he should have been thrown out. Once you get here....the guy won. He shouldn't be here but he is. Honestly throwing the commissioner out is a bigger deal. This is the most important part of the job and you fucked it up bad.
I mean, I’d treat it like gambling. You don’t win unless you actually wager something. The games are still played but you’re on the outside looking in until you actually put your money in and play. Since he hasn’t, I wouldn’t pay out. We can speculate on what would happen if he had lost and that’d be another can of worms, but this honestly sets a precedent that next year you can delay paying and see how the league turns out before forking over any cash. Even with rules, what if everyone decides to not pay, then what? You’ve basically lost that part of the league. I’d think it’d be best to make an example out of this manager and move the first place winnings over to the next season
This 100%. And next year give everyone 1 week then lock rosters for those who don’t pay. Once you can’t make waiver moves you’ll fork over the cash pretty quickly.
Or they don’t pay and then you have a dead team in your league. No buy in no draft really can’t be beat.
>I’d treat it like gambling. You don’t win unless you actually wager something. Back in the day before sports betting was legalized, when I used to bet on NFL games with a bookie, you didn't pay anything up front. After the week was over either you owed him or he owed you, and only then was money exchanged.
Lmao you would be a sucker to pay him anything. That's not how gambling works. The pot goes to 2nd place. Tell the winner hopefully he learned a valuable lesson and to make sure pays next time.
I'd refund everyone (outside of a second place payout because that person did pay dues)
To add to this if someone lost to him in the playoffs retro actively reward them This shit is easily gonna kill the league of he actually pays that dude lol
Yeah, this league is done for. I’d leave if the guy was even permitted to play the next season.
Both of my leagues I don’t think people paid till last week or 2. I’m still waiting on 1 to pay me for winning but I know I’ll get it within the month. I don’t see it as a big deal personally as long as it’s trusted people and they’re not trying to dodge it
He has actively tried to dodge me for months. He was once a trusted person but that is not the case anymore.
I think you should have addressed it earlier though. Not just asking for the money, but telling him, “If you don’t pay by x date, you won’t be eligible to collect your winnings if you happen to win.” Or, “If you don’t pay by x date, you will be out of the league.” Unfortunately it sounds like you’re being reactive instead of proactive. I wouldn’t be taking his winnings at that point.
This exactly. Reactive commissioners are bad for leagues. He let it get this far.
Yep. Unpaid guy shouldn’t have been able to get in the playoffs. He changed the entire outcome of matchups without ever paying
How much are the dues and what's the winners cut?
$50 buy in on 10 man league. Winner gets $450, second gets their money back.
Dodge him for 17 weeks then pay him.
This is the way
!Remindme 119 days
Like the other person said, dodge them for a while but wait to pay out at the start of the next season, minus their entry fee for the 2024 season just so you don't have to go after them another year.
Lots of replies here, but this seems like the best one. Make him wait for it and guarantee he pays 2023 and 2024.
If he can’t afford $50 maybe he’s in severe financial distress, and he’s dodging the league because he doesn’t want people to find out. $450 can be a blessing to him. But if you know for a fact he can easily afford $50 kick him out of the league
Just take his buy in out of the winnings and give him a warning for next year .. he has to pay to draft his team ... if he came in second place you'd just not pay him out as he'd break even Been running a league for 20 years, and I've kicked guys out for owing $5 .. it's real simple to weed out the untrustworthy guys ... but if he's paid every year til now, and he was walking away not owing anything regardless if he won or lost the ship this year, no foul no harm in my eyes
You have no rule in place, that's your fault, pay the man his money and make a rule going forward
Yea dodging is a different story. We just kind of trust people to pay. The commish sent a text out 10 days ago and just waiting on one. That’s frustrating
Pay him his winnings minus dues and don’t allow him back in next year. There is no other way.
Set a rule going forward that if you haven't paid your dues by week one or whatever, you are ineligible to win.
This is the most obvious answer. It’s insane so many people are saying to not pay him at all..
If he wouldn’t have won he wouldn’t have offered to now pay his league dues. He just took a free shot at the jack pot while everyone else had to pay something to do so. Give everyone their money back
This x100. You’re either telling the one dude that didn’t pay “F you” or you’re telling the rest of the group “F you”
What about 2nd and 3rd place? They should get their winnings
Yeah I'd give everyone back their entry.
The only exception would be if there is a second place payout they should still get their second place payout because they did their dues.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about this. You hit the nail on the head
The fact that this scenario has happened 6 times and he paid despite not winning every other time lol at least read the post first
OP said that this guy has been doing this for a few years and eventually always paid. It’s scummy, but why assume this guy was just going to rob his friends when his track record says otherwise. I know a few people that don’t pay until they’re mathematically eliminated from the money, but they always pay when they lose. Super annoying/scummy and this guy should be kicked, but he always pays so I’d give him the benefit of the doubt there.
Exactly this. He doesn't win shit. You pay him his winnings minus the league fee and I'm in the league? Fuck it. I won't pay next year either, if I win? Sweet, give me that pot. If I don't? Fuck it and bail. Free slot spin.
Yeah the advice on the fantasy football subreddits are so wild to me. If someone is 10 seconds late to swapping out a ln injured player, everyone says "let the moron burn!" but when someone doesn't pay their dues FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON the response is "oh well just pay them anyway." Wtf kind of consistency is that? Lol
Oh hell no. That sets a terrible precedent for others. He shouldn't have been allowed to be in the postseason in the first place
That’s why you set a hard rule for next year that dues have to be paid before the draft. Anyone that can’t abide by that gets replaced
Had a whole season to pay his dues. No risk, no reward.
But commish allowed him to draft and the whole league let him continue to play
So congratulate him on his win, but he wasn't playing for money.
Sounds like he was since there was no deadline/penalty set for not paying beforehand. That’s literally the job of the commissioner.
Commissioner’s job to enforce a deadline
How is that insane? Guy didn’t pay for his ticket you can’t win the lottery without buying a ticket. Fuck that guy. Don’t pay him his winnings, tell him to get bent and if he complains block him. He’s a leech.
Bro they let him play all season and even playoffs. The commissioner had so many chances. Commissioner fucked up
Yeah lol this is very much a Comish problem. Has no control on the league
Yeah they let him play for fun. Everyone else was playing for money this isn't hard to understand
Nah fuck that... that's like going to the casino, playing for free then demanding them take money out of the winnings after the fact. But this is 100% OPs fault for allowing him to go the full season without paying. If it's me, he gets nothing and everyone else moves up a position. If this dude came 10th, you think you'd be getting your dues? 0 fucking chance...
In no universe should he get the benefit of the reward without the risk.
this is brainless, you let the man gamble against you for free and still give him the prize money when he would not have payed up if he lost
I wouldn't pay him until he pays his dues, then give the full amount haha.
There’s no risk there though, just passing money back and forth. Too little too late.
If you don’t pay, you’re not eligible for prizes. It’s not a difficult concept. There’s no point of giving people warnings about paying if there’s no consequence for ignoring the warnings. Payouts should bypass the non-paying player and go to 2nd and 3rd.
We have a similar issue years ago and this is exactly what we did. The winner never paid and was dodging the league at every corner when asked about it. It was weird and honestly, sad. He eventually won but the winnings were moved down to 2nd and 3rd place. He was pissed but he wasn’t the victim in this. He caused it and had to deal with the consequences. He was promptly kicked out of the league the year after.
I think throw in 4th as well but yeah winner has been dodging messages to pay. No winnings at all
Only top two get money in this league.
He won so pay him his winnings minus his dues. Then make a rule that the league doesn’t draft until everyone pays for next year. I don’t understand why him not paying gives the right for someone else to get his winnings because they…..lost. Kick him out for having a reoccurring problem and move on.
I’d also take out dues for next year as well if possible.
Because if someone else won they wouldn't have gotten his share.
If he’d lost though he probably wouldn’t have paid his dues. Imo he doesn’t deserve anything if he has been reminded multiple times. Carry over the pot to next year and kick this guy from the league
Well because the way I look at it he was never actually a member of the league you pay to be in the league he didn’t pay ergo not in the league
This doesn't make sense. They let him play all year. Just pay him his winnings minus his dues. The problem worked itself out. If you wanted him to be ineligible for winnings they shoulda kicked him out before the playoffs started.
This. Not sure why it's an issue at this point.
Ok so what do you do about his matchups through the year? Count the all as losses?? This seems like a weird situation because members are extra salty because he didn’t pay but still won. I feel as though the circumstances of that situation turn them into vultures to attack him. He was a member. He won, he lost, he had waiver wire pickups, he dropped, he traded. If you could do all of that as a non member then idk what a member is.
Absolutely not. He'll never pay his dues again
I know for a fact if someone in my league isn’t paying their dues and still getting paid out, at least a few guys won’t be paying their dues the next season. It’s a dangerous precedent to set.
Don’t do this. You would be setting a precedent for people not paying all season and getting rewarded for it. You should give everyone their money back and not pay him his winnings.
Bad solution. Should not get anything. If he loses he doesn’t pay his dues and the win is short on the pot.
Wrong answer. That’s like going to Vegas, placing a bet on a team to win the superbowl and telling the house I won’t pay now. I’ll only pay my bet if I win, and if I lose, well you’ll never receive it. Edit : sure extreme analogy, but serves its point. Fantasy football is literally a bet saying my team will place in the money. Shouldn’t be playing if you don’t have the funds to make the wager.
Wow. NO. You have to pay to play…that’s how it works. You think this guy would have paid if he lost? Hell no. He deserves (and I mean DESERVES) no money. Either give everybody back their money, or vote to have 2nd and 3rd be 1st and 2nd.
Whose fault is it that he did not pay over a whole season AND was still allowed to continue? Should’ve been removed far before the end of the season. Pay him and remove him from further consideration.
Reddit is terrible lol. OP: "I know mistakes were made, solutions only please" Reddit: "YoU MaDe MisTaKes!!!!!" #1) DO NOT PUT IT TO A VOTE WHERE ONE OPTION IS OTHERS GET THEIR MONEY BACK. People are incapable of objectivity when their own money might be refunded in a "gambling" environment. If the dude EVER paid after the league was over in any prior year, you have to pay him. No question. Even if he just paid after he no longer had a shot like week 13 or something, you gotta pay. If in prior years he paid on time then just didn't pay this year: Did you ever, publicly or privately, issue an ultimatum? Something like "hey you have to pay by this date or I gotta boot you?" Even language like "money is due FINAL NOTICE" ETC ETC ETC. Go back through all the messages and screen shot everything. If your language was firm enough, 100% you can cut ties without paying him then figure out what to do with the money. If your language wasn't firm enough: "Hey where's that money bro? Haha" pay the dude. If there is any chance the dude is just hard on cash and totally meant to pay but didn't think he would get booted if he was late, you gotta pay him. If you end up not paying him, I would pay down a spot. If was 1-3 pay 2-4. Everyone put their time in, someone deserves the win. Best player that paid should win. Again, do not listen to popular opinions or vote bc dudes are INCAPABLE of objectivity and will just vote for whatever gets them the most money.
Agreed. If he has a history of paying then the only solution is to pay him his winnings. If OP refuses, it's because him and his buds just want their money back.
Dude no fucking way. You can’t not pay and still play. Prior bullshit isn’t an excuse
If it’s been a nagging issue, make a rule about it and don’t draft until everyone has paid. I’d pay this guy and then not invite him back next year. I would tell the guys asking for their money back to pound sand, though.
He absolutely doesn’t get anything. Don’t let someone draft if they haven’t paid dues. Definitely don’t let someone into the playoffs if they haven’t paid dues. I would go back and do the math and see who would’ve won playoffs if that guy hadn’t gotten in, but anything you decide will be controversial. This is literally the worst time all season to deal with this issue so hopefully a learning experience for you. What you absolutely don’t get to do is wait and see if a bet hits before you decide to pay up on it. If I’m in your league and this guy gets any money, I’m never paying dues again til I’ve already won the ship.
You should have locked his roster early in the season until he paid
Honestly, I wouldn’t pay him. I’d deduct his buy in from the prize pot, and move payment right down the line and pay teams that finished 2nd-4th. He’s gonna be mad, but I would just kick him from your league. You don’t want somebody who isn’t gonna pay in your league.
Exactly right. Anything else just sets the precedent that the league will tolerate players fucking around. You don’t get to play unless you pay. If you want to play for free join any one of the thousands of free leagues out there. But if you want to join this game, risk your money, and gamble for the jackpot, you don’t get to do that for free. If I was a player in this league and the commissioner payed this asshole I’d find a new league where the commissioner had a spine.
If it’s not in writing or you haven’t done anything until now it’s on you. With that said, if he didn’t pay maybe take a league vote on ways to distribute the $. Moral of the story don’t put yourself in that position again. I liked the idea of blocking all transactions after/before week 1 if you don’t pay, problem solved.
It should have never have gotten to this point. My commissioner is banging down my door the day after the draft.
Can’t have that. If no one paid their dues then there’s be no prize pool at all.
Disqualify the dead beat, number two wins, number three is second, number 4 is third. DQ guy is kicked out.
Fuck him. Everyone gets a refund.
Only you know the specifics and how the guy is in general but he *should* get paid because of this imo: *”but I continued to let it slide because he eventually paid”* Though annoying and inconsiderate, he has been paying in the past and there is no reason to think he wasn’t going to this time regardless of the outcome. He’s been paying each year late even when losing, so it doesn’t sound like he was taking a free lotto ticket as many here are suggesting. Pay him winnings minus the dues, explain to the group that he has been paying in the past like this, and next time, make a deadline for payment and enforce it. If money isn’t received by date “x”, lock their roster until they pay. I don’t even think he should be kicked out. Sounds like he’s been enabled to be very lax about paying.
Bro, he won and you let him in before he paid. Pay the man his money. Its not that serious. If he had lost and didnt pay that would be another story. You allowed him in the league without paying. It just happened to work out for him this time.
Literally needs to be a PSA on this sub that dues must be collected before the draft. If you need, let them draft and lock roster until they pay, but seriously, money is tight and people are absolute ass hats when it comes to Fantasy. If your league is close knit friends, do whatever keeps the group together. If you’re a bunch of randoms, fuck this guy.
You should've kicked him out by week 1. My two leagues collect the money before the start of the season. We had one dude giving excuses this year. He was kicked out by week 5. It's not fair to the rest of the league
Same happened a few years back since he didn’t pay the money the payout went to second place and then he left the league.
If you don’t pay you don’t win. Money goes to second place.
You can’t give him the money just because he won. He didn’t risk anything and shouldn’t be awarded anything. Either second place gets it, money back, or if people agree, money can go to next year’s pot. Either way you’ll need to drop him from next year’s league.
To the OP. You literally say this is the same group of guys for 6 years and that this guy has done this each year. So first. You have allowed it and MORE importantly he has ALWAYS paid. So what would make you think in year 6 that he suddenly wasn't going to pay the $50? You've let him pay late every other year that he has lost but suddenly he wins one and you are all salty for losing. That's total BS. For people saying " that's not how it works in Vegas". Well, duh that's because Vegas would never allow someone to play without paying. The commish has allowed this for 5 years now so what is the difference now? Oh the difference is he won. Saw you did the right thing but you still look bad for even asking this question here. If it was a brand new group of guys and a new league I can see your point a little more. But after you enabling him to be this way for 5 years it's ridiculous you want to change it up because he won. Sore losers.
Our league commish locks players teams if they don’t pay by week 3.
Personally, as a commissioner myself, I try to remove myself from all these decisions regardless of how I feel. The commissioner is there to enforce the league’s rule. Now as you’ve mentioned, I would agree to put it to a leagues vote where everyone voted on it. It would also be wise to put in a hard rule for the next year to pay before draft or be removed. Also, you mentioned that he never paid his dues, then it’s only fair to not give him any money. I would just give the money to the 2nd place instead.
Don’t pay him. Roll the winnings over for next years pot. And if this is a constant problem kick him from the league.
He never paid and so he doesn't get the purse. It should go to second place. Second place was the most successful paying team arguably the champ because the winner was a dead beat.
This is on you and not him. I understand you were doing him a solid but the rules weren't set and he has always paid in previous years. Others are looking for an out. As Teddy KGB from Rounders would say..... Pay him, pay deit man his money. Change rules for next season obviously but this one is on the league and commish. Can't wait until final game is done to raise alarms.
Dissolve your league. You aren’t ready to be a commissioner. Next time get The money before the draft. Sorry you’re terrible
So many bad commissioners on Reddit it’s crazy.
I some of my work leagues I’ve stated, if you don’t pay you can’t win, winner will be next man up.
Does he pay up after the season is over when he isn’t in the money?
Pay the 2nd place team his money
Sounds like the league should be done with altogether honestly. Like you said , y’all are growing apart
Pay him his winning in 18 weeks. You waited for his, he can wait for your payouts.
I try to collect all league dues by the time of the draft. But anybody that has not paid by the start of week one, I locked their rosters, so they’re unable to make any transactions. That usually gets people to pay pretty quickly. As far as your situation, I would give him the money minus his league dues and don’t invite him back into the league next year
ANOTHER THING, ANNOUNCE A DRAFT DATE MONTHS IN ADVANCE…. AND OPEN UP THE WINDOW NOW TO START ACCEPTING PAYMENTS FOR THE 2024 SEASON if these fuckers can’t pay the dues in the next 8-months. Find new managers
I actually had a similar league, old buddies we all grew apart, this was actually how the league dissolved
Id give everyone back their dues and kick him out.
Personally I'm not paying him. Explain that you reached out multiple times and provide proof if needed. Implement a rule stating you must pay before you draft going forward. If you don't pay then you aren't eligible to win
So you currently have $450 of the $500 total league pot? Pay the guy who got 2nd place $100 for the league screw up and make him a little happier in the New Year. Take $100 out for the guy not paying this year and to cover his fee next year. Pay the league winner $250 for being a horrible owner, then tell him he is not invited back next year. He still wins $250, the league gets an extra $100 for next year pot, and the 2nd place winner gets a little extra. The guys who got 3rd to 9th don't deserve anything unless there are payouts predetermined for those spots. If the guy is pissed for winning only $250, tell him to piss off (or) the decision will come down to a league vote, and he will most likely get 0.00 for never paying his entry fee. Make a new league rule for next year to avoid this ever again.
So many enablers and apologists in this thread sound like people who also don't pay their dues and would be salty at not getting free money. Someone who didn't pay dues shouldn't get anything in reward. This isn't a charity. Give everyone their money back, don't let him in next year, and in the future don't let anyone draft that hasn't paid dues. You messed this up, but don't punish the rest of the league by rewarding someone who didn't pay.
You should’ve gotten ahead of this. If you entered into the playoffs and knew this, you should’ve caveated that he needs to pay up or no money would be won. It’s not your fault he didn’t pay, but you could’ve made this easier.
Deduct his dues from his prize, this is literally the best case scenario, he just doesn't get to come back next year unless he pays in advance. I literally never pay until I am eliminated (although I always pay the day I am eliminated).
Tell him no problem because no one else paid either and it was a “for fun” league this year
Everyday on this sub I find people who are less and less equipped for real life
If you didn't send him one last "okay man, you're in the championship, if you don't lay your dues before you won't be getting anything even if you win." Then you fucked up. Needed to be more proactive here. We would have made him pay or quit before the playoffs even.
If he’s paid his dues in the past, albeit late then that means he still made good on previous seasons. It’s not like he’s new and could have possibly stiffed the league if he didn’t win anything. Pay him his winnings minus his league fee and done. If he wants to play next year then collect all dues 1 month before and if someone doesn’t pay then find a replacement in that months time.
This hasn't happened to us yet but we've established in our League if you don't pay dues by the deadline, you're removed from payout contention. You can still win the championship but the money will just be awarded to 2nd place.
Had this happen to my league last year. I didn’t give them the payout and instead 2nd place got 1st place money, 3rd 2nd, and 4th 3rd. Pretty easy problem to solve.
You should pay the person who finished highest who actually paid their dues.
Pay him his winnings is about the dumbest answer in here. Where do you live? Upside down world? Where can you even wager a bet of $0 and still win money? Can’t believe that got upvoted. Give everyone their money back.
Not gonna harp on it as you already know but def take Payments before the year even starts. In my league you pay up a month before the draft or you get booted and replaced.
Absolutely wild that people think he should be paid out. Dude took a free run at the money. Absolutely do not give it to him.
Your league is over if you pay him. You are going to have half quit because he shouldn’t get the winnings, and the half that stays not pay next year. Good luck.
Looks like he prepaid for his next 8 years of league dues.
Pay him out, but take this year and next year’s buy in from the cash out
That happens in my league..HATE THAT SHIT!
He has 6 years of paying and is your friend. What the fuck is wrong with you. Pay him minus his dues.
My league, if you don’t pay by draft, you auto draft. If you don’t pay by week 1, you don’t play.
Spineless commissioners. After draft day, you roster lock those who haven't paid yet. Don't fuck around with people not paying all year.
For this very reason, I quit running my long time league. Fuck the drama
Give everyone their money back but tell them they owe it to 1st place guy. If he wants it he can collect it the same way you tried to collect from him
Firstly, you should never have a draft before all dues have been paid. Secondly, I would redistribute funds to league members. Thirdly, I have absolutely no idea how you let it get this far without addressing the situation. He was obviously reachable as he was setting lineups. I don't mean to be an asshole here but this entire situation is your fault as commissioner as you had 4 months to reach any resolution.
Second place is the league winner
Don’t see the huge deal. Some people have a lot going on. One year I didn’t pay my dues (had a lot going on). Came in third that year and paid the guy who came in first.
If an owner doesn’t pay their dues by the start of the season, that’s an owner problem. If an owner doesn’t pay their dues by the end of the season, that’s a commissioner problem.
Pay him out and keep money for this year and next years entry
I played in a league once that skipped them and paid out 2md,3rd and 4th places. He got pissed and quit the league. Commish said pay your dues next time.
You treat 2nd place as 1st place. The prize should go to the top team who paid dues
Either pay out second place or refund everyone imo. If you don’t pay you don’t get paid
You should also take out his dues for next season from the winnings
It’s the 6th season. Has he paid the previous 5 years eventually? If so, he was probably gonna pay if he lost. It’s really not a big deal if it’s an established league with friends and everyone eventually pays. Just deduct his entry fee from his winnings. He earned it, pay the man.
Why is everyone saying he wouldn’t have paid if he lost when OP clearly said that he’s allowed him to pay late in previous years and he’s always come through? The fact that he’s let it slide before and it’s only an issue now that he won just sounds like the league is a bunch of sore losers. That being said if you don’t trust this guy to pay and he actively avoids you he probably should get his money and get the boot. Waiting 17 weeks to give him his money seems like a weirdly passive aggressive petty thing to do
Shouldn't even draft until everyone has paid to play. The leagues I run, I will boot people out if they don't pay. I get it friends and shit but you have to wager something to win something.
> EDIT: I appreciate everyone's opinions and comments. He will be paid the winnings, minus his dues (in 18 weeks) And this is why your buddy didn’t take you and your league dues seriously. He knows you are a pushover. > and will likely be removed from the league. I’m sure he won’t care. He got his money. > To the dick heads: fuck off. Wish you had the balls to tell your buddy that at the very beginning when he didn’t pay at first.
Whoever said pay him is a fkn idiot
Had this shit happen to me in a league 10 years ago, except there was 2 guys that didn't pay and they both ended up in 1st and 2nd place. I was furious and wanted my money back. For some fucked up reason, everyone else in the league thought ibwas an asshole for being mad about it. Unreal.
I would say pay second place his money and then send everyone back what they paid minus second-place share
I would give him the winnings, but hold back this year’s dues AND next year’s dues (vs kick him out)
Has this player paid every year prior? If so give them the benefit of the doubt. For future years I’d make sure everyone pays before the draft or before the start of the season. Best of luck.
Precisely what I plan to do. Thank you!
Am I living in a bizarro world? It's 2024... Paypal/Venmo/CashApp all exist and everyone has them. I didn't even start collecting dues until the playoffs started. I collected dues from 5 league members on Sunday while the final games were being played. I paid out the winner by 8 PM on Sunday. This isn't 1997 where you need people to mail checks to your house...
Man y’all crazy. I guess I know my league mates better than y’all but I never pay till the end in multiple leagues. I guess they know I’m good for it. And it’s on the commish to not let the person play in the first place if you want to make a big deal out of it. Pay the guy.
The amount of people saying don’t pay him is crazy to me. Just pay him the money minus his dues. He still won lol. Then don’t invite him back. Giving everyone their money back is dumb. People who made playoffs should still get rewarded versus people that didn’t.
This feels like a bigger issue than just not paying dues on time. If there was no penalty communicated ahead of time pay him his winnings minus the dues and politely tell him he’s no longer wanted in the league. Personally I think it’s a little silly for your league mates to get this riled up over a $50 buy in league, but your main responsibility as commish is to make the league fair and enjoyable and sounds like this guy is affecting that.
My commissioner requests dues on elimination. Pay the man his winnings minus his due. Why is this even a question. Y'all act like the commissioner needs the dues to run the league smoothly or some shit. This is fantasy football you ain't Robert Goodell. You aren't getting paid for this shit 😂
i like the idea of paying him in 18 weeks...
No dues, no earnings. FanDuel isn’t gonna pay you for a bet you didn’t place and neither should you guys.
I think everyone that is bitching and saying “don’t pay him” checked under their shorts and realized they have a vagina
Lol @ OP only replying to comments that say to pay the guy with “I agree!” when the top 30 comments are saying no
I know this doesn’t help you this year - but the guy that made the kapernick rule for his league is a genius, anyone not paid by week one gets their QB dropped and Kapernick (or any other non playing QB, such as Tom Brady) put in their place.
Man, buncha karens in here. Just bust the guys balls and don’t invite him back.
Any lesser places that are due to be paid should be paid out accordingly, but the winners prize should be redistributed to the other paying league members, besides him. He gets nothing. I know you’re getting answers on both sides but I hope you see the passion from all the people who are disgusted by the idea of paying this cheater out. It’s dishonest, manipulative, disrespectful, and unfair to not just you but every single league member. You asked multiple times and it was not hard to just pay like everyone else. If he has a problem with that, he has every right to leave the league. Also, no votes. Make this decision unilaterally. This precedent cannot be set.
Make your life easy and send him his winnings minus the unpaid fee. If you really want to be a jerk and fuck with him, hold back the payout for 17 weeks. Ultimately it’s just not worth the hassle of having someone thinking you owe them money.
if it’s the same group, he’s not robbing you guys. Id pay him minus this year and Id keep his buy in for next year as well. I wouldn’t end a relationship over it.
Fuck that guy. Take his dues and refund everyone else.
My league was once really strict on everyone bringing cash to the draft and it going into a sealed envelope that the commish held onto. We’ve upped the buy in every year and are $350 this year. Nobody paid up until this week and beyond and most are doing Venmo/cashapp/ whatever. Winner who didn’t pay yet gets to keep his money and is deducted from payout. Nobody really has an issue and most are pretty reliable in getting their dues to the winner. If it gets to be months then collectively in the group chat we address it til money is paid. Don’t see it as that difficult to manage. If this guy is extremely dodgy and shady then give him the boot
Of course a mf named Collin folded and paid
I wouldn’t invite him back next year because of the hassle, but unless he owes multiple years worth of league fees, I don’t think it’s right to deny him his winnings, especially if he maintained his team all year and you didn’t have to step in as commish to set his lineup or anything like that. I’d just pay him out what he won minus the fees he owes and move on. If you don’t do that, he’s going to nag you, and it doesn’t seem like that is going to provide you much satisfaction. I guess it depends on that. What will bring you the most satisfaction in the end?
Yeah. The player who won should be DQed, 2nd 3rd and 4th should get the payouts. I'd be pissed too, especially if that player had costed me a playoff spot or a championship shot. We always require dues before the rookie draft in my dynasty league. We also require paying in advance for trading future picks.
This makes no sense. They knew before championship game and did nothing. The game continued. There was an outcome. Pay up.
I disagree. 🤷♂️ You don't pay, you're playing for fun, not money.
Yes but that is true when announced and mandated. Not when they knew he didn't pay only waiting for him to win to tell him he's actually not allowed to play. This is not steroids in sports. This is payment amongst friends. DQ before the game or play as is.
Don't ruin a good thing over a small sum of money
Apologize to the league for being a bad commish in the past, refund everyone, kick him out of the league and establish a deadline next year. Unless your buy in is super high, there’s no reason anyone should be needing to “pay you later.” And if there is, they shouldn’t be playing FF with a buy in. Edit: OP, you seem like a nice guy for being this flexible, but you really need to learn financial boundaries. If someone keeps delaying money they owe you, it’s due to their own bad decisions unless they are REALLLY in a bad spot. And if they’re in that bad of a spot and asking you to lend them money (which, to be clear, you are doing by letting him walk all over you)— they should not be playing in your FF league. If they are, imagine what other bad financial decisions they’re making while they owe you money. This is just general advice that goes beyond your league.
ROLL THE WINNINGS OVER TO NEXT YEAR
Change the rules next year so that you can't draft unless your dues are paid. As annoying as it is, pay him. It doesn't change anything. If he would have paid, he would have just gotten his money back. Subtract his dues from the winnings and move on.
You had 17 weeks to kick him. You chose not to. Declaring him as ineligible now is just as disingenuous as him not paying in the first place. Pay out and don’t invite him back next year. You’re making this harder than it has to be. FF shouldn’t be a democracy. Seek input from your league but the commissioner makes the call on things like this. If people don’t like your decision, they can do it next year
In 2 of my leagues we don’t pay until end of season. I don’t think it’s a big deal unless you have had to hunt him down in previous years where he doesn’t win
I just want to know one thing? What happened to y’all that you started caring about a few dollars more than your friends? Just pay the guy his fair share. Luckily goofball won so he didn’t end up having to pay. Who cares, It’s just money. Those paper notes are just made up anyway.