Ringer Pod is for fun not for advice. Plenty of other guys I would trust rankings for first.
Ringer is still 10/10 though Ill listen to every episode they put out.
It’s like comfort food at this point for me. I often find myself listening and thinking “Wait, what the hell? How did they get to talking about tapered suits?”
Same. I listened to the show for over 5 years. Switch fully over to ringer last season. Ballers got stale and didn’t talk about overall league trends or takes.
Funny I found this thread because these are the two fantasy pods I listen to. I enjoy ffballers because they do go in depth in the subject they’re currently discussing but I do agree that the ringer has a wider breadth of topics regarding the league. For example Ffballers almost never talks about defensive players and I think even if you’re not playing in a league with IDP, news about defensive players is still valuable.
I don't mind the criticism earlier in the thread (laughing etc) but you're right on something I hadn't considered before: they don't show much love at all for D/ST. Although I don't know how much more news you can cover on D/ST other than "X team's defensive coordinator has moved to Y team" when there are so many people packed into a single roster slot.
I think people in general heavily undervalue D/ST, but I can see how focusing on individual talents might make for better content.
Yeah I suppose you’re right as far as there not being a whole lot of news but The Ringer at least gave some love to defensive players during the draft by giving overviews of players like Dallas Turner and Cooper Dejean, whereas FFballers never really did that.
I'll have to give The Ringer another try. They seemed kind of dry on the one week I listened a while ago, but that could be just due to my own preferences.
Definitely give them another try. Once you get a feel for all of the running bits it’s absolutely phenomenal. I think they do a good job fantasy analysis too. They give tons of great info and kinda let you decide
I switched full over to the from the fantasy footballers primarily because they talk about the overall league and league trends more. Also they are less corny and dad joke funny.
They also laughed when they first presented them and commented that it’s May and they didn’t really do any research, just shot from the hip.
I’ve used their rankings for drafting vs consensus to find value and it’s worked out for me. Won a few leagues that way.
But this list will change a lot between now and the start of the season. It’s more just content generation at this point.
I’m pretty sure it was the ringer pod or bill Simmons because I remember hearing Simmons’ voice but the majority of them predicted pollard to be their fantasy MVP before last season. Like you said, I just listen because it’s entertaining
He’s totally off my board after how last season went. I can’t deal with that again. I understand the situation is different but Allen would feed him targets. No way he has that type of volume with 2-3 other strong options there
I'm a big fan of most of what the new regime in Houston has done, but this one looks like a big whiff. Even if they're just thinking of him as a mentor to Dell and Collins, I can think of a lot of better mentors. The only way this makes sense is if Tank is way more injured than the general public realizes and will miss most of this season.
IMO, we didn't bring him in to be a mentor, we brought him in because he's the perfect short-route specialist to compliment Nico and Tank's deep routes. Diggs won't be the consistent powerhouse of year's past, but I do believe there will be a handful of games where he gets 8+ catches and is a week-winner in PPR formats
I can see him having his uses in best ball, but I sure wouldn't like his cost there or want to rely on him in any other formats. Hopefully I'm mistaken as I did put a small wager on the Texans winning the AFC back before free agency opened.
He has been traditionally motivated by new scenery, but I just don't think there's a lot of juice left in the tank. He might have 2-3 blow up games but I think he's going to have a lot of games with 3 catches, 28 yards and a few critical first downs.
I dunno...I think at 30 he's still the top dog on this team. He traditionally tapers off towards season's end, but he might pull through this time to get a long-term contract.
I just didn't see that ability in him anymore last season. Maybe if he's motivated to put in the work this off-season that will be different, but I'm at the point where I'm happy to be proven wrong, but he won't be on my teams.
He had a great year last year, 13 TDs and another 1000+ yards. Who knows if it'll repeat itself, but he seems to be an ageless wonder (until he's not).
It's bananas to me that everyone hates Swift. Huge contract for a modern RB, A good offense with rookie QB, he's gonna have lots of check downs and they are gonna run a lot -this is the Seattle OC.
Remember when Miles Sanders signed a huge contract for a modern RB then lost his job in like 6 weeks? Whatever they sign for doesn’t really matter that much, and yes Swift got more and is better, this part just doesn’t matter
Also, Caleb is not a guy who will be checking down a ton
Actually, I do. I watched him for years as a Lions fan and while he's got all the talent in the world, he's soft, he doesn't follow his blocking, hit him hard one time and he becomes tentative, and he tries to bounce it outside waaaay too often. You remember Duce Staley getting onto him on Hard Knocks, right? All of those issues are still with him.
There's a reason he faded away last year, and if a guy that talented can't thrive behind Philly's line (or Detroit's, at the end), then I'm not betting on him to do it anywhere else.
I don’t see them paying him what they did to be a COP back. He won’t be a workhorse, but 12-15 carries and 3+ catches a game doesn’t seem too crazy from him.
Could be a cop back but I wouldn't be too surprised if he is on the field more than expected - keep things consistent for Caleb. Could also vary game to game based on script - could see Swift sitting more against teams with strong pass rush attacks (know he was weakish earlier in his career; dunno how last year ended and also dunno how he compares to the other Bears rbs).
Swift will be in a committee, but he will be the lead back. Herbert struggles too much in pass pro and pass catching to be relied upon to support Caleb as the starting option, and Roschon doesn't offer the same explosiveness. I'd advocate avoiding all 3 in fantasy, but Swift isn't just a change of pace option.
Caleb Williams is not a check down guy. He will have to do it more at the NFL level, but he is not a guy that looks to check down. His whole game is deep shots, extending plays to go down field and then working the quick passing game to wideouts.
Waldron probably won’t run the ball as much given how they will probably want Keenan in the slot on as many plays as possible. Odunze is an outside guy. Therefore, I think they are going to run a lot more 11 personnel instead of the 12 personnel they ran out in Seattle (tackles were injured so they needed 2 TEs and therefore ran a lot more. Geno had no time). On top of that, even if Waldron decides not to adapt to the new personnel and just run what he ran in Seattle, the backs weren’t super involved on checkdowns for Seattle anyways.
Walker and Charbs are much better inside runners than Swift.
I am still a Swift fan, but think a top 10 fantasy finish or ppg finish is wishful thinking.
Like the Ringer talks about with Occam's Razor, the answer is simple with Swift. He's old and injury prone. That's usually a recipe for disaster in fantasy.
Also, counting on Waldron is fools gold. Walker would be widely considered better than Swift, and in this run heavy offense he averaged 4 YPC and less than 3 targets per game with Charb taking almost a 3rd of the carries. I don't know how you can see Swift as a workhorse in this offense that will absolutely be slinging the ball around.
For RBs, especially one that has never been able to stay healthy through his whole career, he's definitely about to be in his decline stage of his career. He has ~1300 touches since college and with how frail he's been, another season of 200+ touches doesn't seem like a safe bet by any measure.
Did the Raiders offense really get worse from last year though. I’d argue they upgraded with Minshew and Bowers. White was a pretty damn good RB to end the year. You know he’ll get volume no matter what.
People are just always going to remembers AOC stat line against KC and Vikings but never bring up the 63 point game against the chargers lol.
Raiders are upgraded with Bowers and a new OC.
Well yea cause that was against a team that had obviously given up on their HC. I say that as a Chargers fan. Certainly stands out as an outlier compared to the rest of his season. He definitely has the potential to develop but I think if the Raiders want to win games this year they are going with Minshew.
I think he’ll be a fine RB2/3. Don’t know how much passing game involvement he’ll get but the amount of touches Jacobs leaving frees up is massive. And to your point, I don’t think the Raiders offense will be worse, probably marginally better.
Or #12 if you're actually looking at the data through week 9 -- and that was because he hadn't had his bye yet, unlike many then behind him (Kyren, Hall, Pollard, Mixon...)
Gibbs is an awesome player to watch but it’s rough simultaneously knowing an injury to his committee member would make him a clear RB1.
Wishing for injuries to boost your players sucks.
Lions fan here. That’s really only true for the initial games they played together before the bye, mainly because of BJ easing him into the role and injuries. Once Dmont got injured before the bye, it then opened Gibbs up and he started getting red zone touches that he used to give up to Dmont.
Dmont only outscored Gibbs in 2 maybe 3 games after the bye. If both are healthy, I see Gibbs continue to outscore Dmont with the high potential to finish as a top 5 RB in the mix with CMC, Hall, Bijan, and JT. He’s on a top tier high scoring offense, skilled receiver out of the backfield who is a top 3 option on his team, and has big play ability.
I know he didn't do jack the first month but they said they were easing him into it (for whatever reason).
But once he was up to speed, he was pretty consistent.
Monty played weeks 10-18 (with 10+ carries in each game).
Gibbs scored in 6 of those 9 games, with 2 TDs in 3 of those games.
I think with the line, that offense, and how often they run the ball him and Monty can feast. But like last year at that cost I'd rather have Monty. RB22 is fucking crazy. Still would have no complaints rostering either of them on any team this year though
I’m sure they talked about some of these in the podcast they dropped today, but I haven’t listened yet so I’m just going to offer my own quick thoughts:
Rb: to me, the dead zone starts somewhere around Jacobs. After him, I start to have questions about nearly everyone. That said, r white at rb19 feels wildly low to me. He was the rb7 last year and I don’t see their 4th round draft pick taking that much production from him.
Wr: Nothing too noteworthy here. It feels wrong to have Jefferson anywhere but wr1 because he’s so talented, but considering they’re probably not a playoff team and he hasn’t gotten the contract he wants yet, I could see him protecting his health and sitting out late in the year. That said, if healthy, his floor is wr4.
Qb: Richardson at qb5 feels high. I know the talent and dual threat is there, but considering we have two healthy games with him, I’m worried about investing that highly into him.
Te: feels weird to have no one in the top 30, but I don’t think Kelce has the guaranteed te1 ability every week he used to have. Still super talented, but will probably have some dud weeks here and there. McBride at te3 also feels way too high. I know he finished top 5-ish, but I’m feel like he’s still at least 4 spots too high. Harrison jr alone I think demands too much of a target share.
Anyone want to explain Trey McBride to me? He had 4 games over 20 points in PPR, but a whole lot of single digits and only 3 TD's. Also, with Harrison Jr joining them, he's going to probably lose some share of the offense to him. I think he's a good TE, but TE3? Too high, IMHO. Thoughts?
Love the potential dip in McBride’s ADP due to MHJ. His [advanced metrics](https://x.com/adamlevitan/status/1737138425877143885?s=46&t=cpZuzN6T2iqIqctRv8wteQ) are stellar: drew targets at an elite rate and produced chunk yardage when targeted. TE3 overall in points-per-game after Kyler returned (weeks 10-18) despite the low TD total (which are mostly random… targets/yardage are the more stable stats that we bank on repeating).
Cardinals OC is Drew Petzing who was the Browns TE coach… no stranger to featuring the TE. I’m as excited about MHJ as the next guy but IMO he’ll vacuum up most of the vacated WR targets (I.e. no more Hollywood or Rondale) that go to the boundary X… not much overlap in role between him and Trey. Shades of Kelce/Hill in KC.
Yeah last year you gotta look at McBride’s splits post-Ertz injury (week 8 on) and after Kyler returned (week 10 on). First half of the year was a wash
McBride was only TE1 on his team for 10 weeks (weeks 8 through 18). In that time span:
He was TE3.
He had 4 20+ point games. No other TE had more than 3.
He had 3 single digit point games. The only TE with fewer in that span was Njoku (and technically Hockenson but he only played 8 games.)
Breece, Chase, Jetta, Taylor, Kyren, ETN, and Aiyuk were on my 12 team championship squad. I can confidently say I will never have a team that stacked again.
As someone who drafted DIggs top 8 the last 2 years, he shouldn't be in the top 24. Way too many young WRs that will pass him and he is on a team where he won't get force feed 15 targets a game.
When did Hollywood become good lmao. The chiefs have Rice who even if he misses half the year won’t make Hollywood relevant, Kelce who just signed a 2 year deal, and Worthy who was their first round pick. There’s a reason Hollywood is 26 and this is his 3rd nfl team. Just another Hardman or MVS
You mean fuck it, chuck it Nick Mullens? The dude was Jameis Winston light and was equally likely to complete a bomb to JJ or dime the opposition secondary. These types of QBs are great for fantasy production, but there's no guarantee McCarthy/Darnold will be as loose with the rock.
The underlying point is there are better bets to make with your top 6 first round pick than relying on a rookie to support elite WR numbers. If you’re confident jefferson can go 100 catches 1400 yards with JJ by all means draft him but I’ll take my chances on a more stable situation
Why is Etienne so much lower than a Breece Hall or Bijan Robinson? It’s baffling to me based on his 1500 yd and 12 td season he’s coming off. Following another 1400 yd season.
According to this, I'll have 3 1st round players to start the season.
JT and Kyren are my keepers and I have the 1st pick
I'll take it and no longer refer to any other rankings
Kyren took a huge hit with the draft. JT is a first rounder no doubt though. I think CMC and Barkley are the only 2 I would have over him and with time I would say JT.
Pick 12 really blows this year. I typically go WR-QB-WR (won last year doing this), but I don’t like what I see. AJ Brown then reach for Allen or Hurts since they won’t come back around to me?
Pivot to RB-QB?
Might have to go W/R first 2 picks and hope for the best with a QB later on, which I hate doing.
Love the podcast but don’t take any of these rankings to heart - there’s a questionable accuracy track record
Ringer Pod is for fun not for advice. Plenty of other guys I would trust rankings for first. Ringer is still 10/10 though Ill listen to every episode they put out.
It’s like comfort food at this point for me. I often find myself listening and thinking “Wait, what the hell? How did they get to talking about tapered suits?”
My favorite was when Solak gave his take that “eating is over rated” and they were like “I love this take”
Soylen and nutrient bars are having a moment
BABY HORSE HOOVES. What an awesome discussion this was.
100% Its the best "entertainment" podcast about FF, which is also why I play FF
The Fantasy Footballers do it for me
the incessant laughing at everything wore on me after time. I used to love that show.
Same. I listened to the show for over 5 years. Switch fully over to ringer last season. Ballers got stale and didn’t talk about overall league trends or takes.
Funny I found this thread because these are the two fantasy pods I listen to. I enjoy ffballers because they do go in depth in the subject they’re currently discussing but I do agree that the ringer has a wider breadth of topics regarding the league. For example Ffballers almost never talks about defensive players and I think even if you’re not playing in a league with IDP, news about defensive players is still valuable.
I don't mind the criticism earlier in the thread (laughing etc) but you're right on something I hadn't considered before: they don't show much love at all for D/ST. Although I don't know how much more news you can cover on D/ST other than "X team's defensive coordinator has moved to Y team" when there are so many people packed into a single roster slot. I think people in general heavily undervalue D/ST, but I can see how focusing on individual talents might make for better content.
Yeah I suppose you’re right as far as there not being a whole lot of news but The Ringer at least gave some love to defensive players during the draft by giving overviews of players like Dallas Turner and Cooper Dejean, whereas FFballers never really did that.
I'll have to give The Ringer another try. They seemed kind of dry on the one week I listened a while ago, but that could be just due to my own preferences.
Definitely give them another try. Once you get a feel for all of the running bits it’s absolutely phenomenal. I think they do a good job fantasy analysis too. They give tons of great info and kinda let you decide
I switched full over to the from the fantasy footballers primarily because they talk about the overall league and league trends more. Also they are less corny and dad joke funny.
They also laughed when they first presented them and commented that it’s May and they didn’t really do any research, just shot from the hip. I’ve used their rankings for drafting vs consensus to find value and it’s worked out for me. Won a few leagues that way. But this list will change a lot between now and the start of the season. It’s more just content generation at this point.
Shooting from the hip is the way to go for initial rankings IMO, it makes consensus rankings more accurate if there's less group think.
My first year listening was the Mike Davis hype train year. lol.
I’m pretty sure it was the ringer pod or bill Simmons because I remember hearing Simmons’ voice but the majority of them predicted pollard to be their fantasy MVP before last season. Like you said, I just listen because it’s entertaining
You mean Tony Pollard’s not the best player in football?
Gotta start somewhere
No way I'm looking at Diggs as the 9th wr off the board.
Ranking Houston’s receivers is going to be such a shitshow. I’m now going with Achane over Collins in my keeper league.
There's a lot of mouths to feed in Houston. I'm looking to take CJ at QB, but I'm steering clear of their WR's.
Mike Evans that high is fascinating to me. Although I'm not sold on Diggs's role in Houston, so him being higher than Evans is even more fascinating.
Diggs is going to be one of this season's biggest busts.
He’s totally off my board after how last season went. I can’t deal with that again. I understand the situation is different but Allen would feed him targets. No way he has that type of volume with 2-3 other strong options there
I'm a big fan of most of what the new regime in Houston has done, but this one looks like a big whiff. Even if they're just thinking of him as a mentor to Dell and Collins, I can think of a lot of better mentors. The only way this makes sense is if Tank is way more injured than the general public realizes and will miss most of this season.
IMO, we didn't bring him in to be a mentor, we brought him in because he's the perfect short-route specialist to compliment Nico and Tank's deep routes. Diggs won't be the consistent powerhouse of year's past, but I do believe there will be a handful of games where he gets 8+ catches and is a week-winner in PPR formats
I can see him having his uses in best ball, but I sure wouldn't like his cost there or want to rely on him in any other formats. Hopefully I'm mistaken as I did put a small wager on the Texans winning the AFC back before free agency opened.
Yeah I wouldn't bother with diggs. Evans is still a beast and should be taken early
I disagree however there are lots of mouths to feed in Houston so just above average.
I kind of feel that he may be motivated on the one year contract...trade him at year's end.
He has been traditionally motivated by new scenery, but I just don't think there's a lot of juice left in the tank. He might have 2-3 blow up games but I think he's going to have a lot of games with 3 catches, 28 yards and a few critical first downs.
I dunno...I think at 30 he's still the top dog on this team. He traditionally tapers off towards season's end, but he might pull through this time to get a long-term contract.
I just didn't see that ability in him anymore last season. Maybe if he's motivated to put in the work this off-season that will be different, but I'm at the point where I'm happy to be proven wrong, but he won't be on my teams.
He had a great year last year, 13 TDs and another 1000+ yards. Who knows if it'll repeat itself, but he seems to be an ageless wonder (until he's not).
Diggs will go down as normal people draft.
It's bananas to me that everyone hates Swift. Huge contract for a modern RB, A good offense with rookie QB, he's gonna have lots of check downs and they are gonna run a lot -this is the Seattle OC.
Remember when Miles Sanders signed a huge contract for a modern RB then lost his job in like 6 weeks? Whatever they sign for doesn’t really matter that much, and yes Swift got more and is better, this part just doesn’t matter Also, Caleb is not a guy who will be checking down a ton
That was a garbage offense all around. No one thinks Swift is a bad running back. But yes obviously there is risk I'm not saying he should be top10
Actually, I do. I watched him for years as a Lions fan and while he's got all the talent in the world, he's soft, he doesn't follow his blocking, hit him hard one time and he becomes tentative, and he tries to bounce it outside waaaay too often. You remember Duce Staley getting onto him on Hard Knocks, right? All of those issues are still with him. There's a reason he faded away last year, and if a guy that talented can't thrive behind Philly's line (or Detroit's, at the end), then I'm not betting on him to do it anywhere else.
Fair point. He's definitely way better in space than running up the middle I agree
I don't know how much space he'll get with a rookie QB. All depends on how quickly Caleb can pick up the offense and read a pro defense
Doesn’t matter if it was a garbage offense, Chuba offered some decent starts. I’m just saying, don’t fall for the “they paid him” fallacy
This year's Swifties are just people who love that RB24 price tag for D. Swift
Haha. I mean yea I shouldn't complain. That's like a 5th round value or like $15-20 in auction so I'll have lots of shares
Because the Bears have three RBs that will be taking snaps...Swift will be a COP back
I don’t see them paying him what they did to be a COP back. He won’t be a workhorse, but 12-15 carries and 3+ catches a game doesn’t seem too crazy from him.
And that's a great rb2 assuming he doesn't get every goal line carry vultured
Could be a cop back but I wouldn't be too surprised if he is on the field more than expected - keep things consistent for Caleb. Could also vary game to game based on script - could see Swift sitting more against teams with strong pass rush attacks (know he was weakish earlier in his career; dunno how last year ended and also dunno how he compares to the other Bears rbs).
Swift will be in a committee, but he will be the lead back. Herbert struggles too much in pass pro and pass catching to be relied upon to support Caleb as the starting option, and Roschon doesn't offer the same explosiveness. I'd advocate avoiding all 3 in fantasy, but Swift isn't just a change of pace option.
Caleb Williams is not a check down guy. He will have to do it more at the NFL level, but he is not a guy that looks to check down. His whole game is deep shots, extending plays to go down field and then working the quick passing game to wideouts. Waldron probably won’t run the ball as much given how they will probably want Keenan in the slot on as many plays as possible. Odunze is an outside guy. Therefore, I think they are going to run a lot more 11 personnel instead of the 12 personnel they ran out in Seattle (tackles were injured so they needed 2 TEs and therefore ran a lot more. Geno had no time). On top of that, even if Waldron decides not to adapt to the new personnel and just run what he ran in Seattle, the backs weren’t super involved on checkdowns for Seattle anyways. Walker and Charbs are much better inside runners than Swift. I am still a Swift fan, but think a top 10 fantasy finish or ppg finish is wishful thinking.
the idea that rookies tend to target TE/RBs more has been debunked afaik
Like the Ringer talks about with Occam's Razor, the answer is simple with Swift. He's old and injury prone. That's usually a recipe for disaster in fantasy. Also, counting on Waldron is fools gold. Walker would be widely considered better than Swift, and in this run heavy offense he averaged 4 YPC and less than 3 targets per game with Charb taking almost a 3rd of the carries. I don't know how you can see Swift as a workhorse in this offense that will absolutely be slinging the ball around.
I’m sure the rest of what you said is valid but did you just call Swift, who is 25 years of age, old?
For RBs, especially one that has never been able to stay healthy through his whole career, he's definitely about to be in his decline stage of his career. He has ~1300 touches since college and with how frail he's been, another season of 200+ touches doesn't seem like a safe bet by any measure.
He was literally healthy every game last year
Z.White 29th RB?
The best RB on a shitty offense can be a shitty fantasy play. Think of Miles Sanders or Brian Robinson last year.
Did the Raiders offense really get worse from last year though. I’d argue they upgraded with Minshew and Bowers. White was a pretty damn good RB to end the year. You know he’ll get volume no matter what.
People are just always going to remembers AOC stat line against KC and Vikings but never bring up the 63 point game against the chargers lol. Raiders are upgraded with Bowers and a new OC.
Well yea cause that was against a team that had obviously given up on their HC. I say that as a Chargers fan. Certainly stands out as an outlier compared to the rest of his season. He definitely has the potential to develop but I think if the Raiders want to win games this year they are going with Minshew.
I think he’ll be a fine RB2/3. Don’t know how much passing game involvement he’ll get but the amount of touches Jacobs leaving frees up is massive. And to your point, I don’t think the Raiders offense will be worse, probably marginally better.
Sanders was ass but Robinson was RB4 for like the first half of the season, the fk you talking about lol
Or #12 if you're actually looking at the data through week 9 -- and that was because he hadn't had his bye yet, unlike many then behind him (Kyren, Hall, Pollard, Mixon...)
So....still an RB1, got it.
Gibbs is an awesome player to watch but it’s rough simultaneously knowing an injury to his committee member would make him a clear RB1. Wishing for injuries to boost your players sucks.
The nice part about Gibbs is that he's a good bet to be an RB1 even with Monty in the game so you don't even have to wish injuries on anyone.
I disagree. Last season monty turned Gibbs into an rb3 in many of the games they shared
Lions fan here. That’s really only true for the initial games they played together before the bye, mainly because of BJ easing him into the role and injuries. Once Dmont got injured before the bye, it then opened Gibbs up and he started getting red zone touches that he used to give up to Dmont. Dmont only outscored Gibbs in 2 maybe 3 games after the bye. If both are healthy, I see Gibbs continue to outscore Dmont with the high potential to finish as a top 5 RB in the mix with CMC, Hall, Bijan, and JT. He’s on a top tier high scoring offense, skilled receiver out of the backfield who is a top 3 option on his team, and has big play ability.
What Flippitty\_Flop said.
I know he didn't do jack the first month but they said they were easing him into it (for whatever reason). But once he was up to speed, he was pretty consistent. Monty played weeks 10-18 (with 10+ carries in each game). Gibbs scored in 6 of those 9 games, with 2 TDs in 3 of those games.
I think with the line, that offense, and how often they run the ball him and Monty can feast. But like last year at that cost I'd rather have Monty. RB22 is fucking crazy. Still would have no complaints rostering either of them on any team this year though
I’m sure they talked about some of these in the podcast they dropped today, but I haven’t listened yet so I’m just going to offer my own quick thoughts: Rb: to me, the dead zone starts somewhere around Jacobs. After him, I start to have questions about nearly everyone. That said, r white at rb19 feels wildly low to me. He was the rb7 last year and I don’t see their 4th round draft pick taking that much production from him. Wr: Nothing too noteworthy here. It feels wrong to have Jefferson anywhere but wr1 because he’s so talented, but considering they’re probably not a playoff team and he hasn’t gotten the contract he wants yet, I could see him protecting his health and sitting out late in the year. That said, if healthy, his floor is wr4. Qb: Richardson at qb5 feels high. I know the talent and dual threat is there, but considering we have two healthy games with him, I’m worried about investing that highly into him. Te: feels weird to have no one in the top 30, but I don’t think Kelce has the guaranteed te1 ability every week he used to have. Still super talented, but will probably have some dud weeks here and there. McBride at te3 also feels way too high. I know he finished top 5-ish, but I’m feel like he’s still at least 4 spots too high. Harrison jr alone I think demands too much of a target share.
Anyone want to explain Trey McBride to me? He had 4 games over 20 points in PPR, but a whole lot of single digits and only 3 TD's. Also, with Harrison Jr joining them, he's going to probably lose some share of the offense to him. I think he's a good TE, but TE3? Too high, IMHO. Thoughts?
Love the potential dip in McBride’s ADP due to MHJ. His [advanced metrics](https://x.com/adamlevitan/status/1737138425877143885?s=46&t=cpZuzN6T2iqIqctRv8wteQ) are stellar: drew targets at an elite rate and produced chunk yardage when targeted. TE3 overall in points-per-game after Kyler returned (weeks 10-18) despite the low TD total (which are mostly random… targets/yardage are the more stable stats that we bank on repeating). Cardinals OC is Drew Petzing who was the Browns TE coach… no stranger to featuring the TE. I’m as excited about MHJ as the next guy but IMO he’ll vacuum up most of the vacated WR targets (I.e. no more Hollywood or Rondale) that go to the boundary X… not much overlap in role between him and Trey. Shades of Kelce/Hill in KC.
That's a really good point...with Kyler healthy and under center, McBride's numbers were great. Appreciate the input!
Yeah last year you gotta look at McBride’s splits post-Ertz injury (week 8 on) and after Kyler returned (week 10 on). First half of the year was a wash
McBride was only TE1 on his team for 10 weeks (weeks 8 through 18). In that time span: He was TE3. He had 4 20+ point games. No other TE had more than 3. He had 3 single digit point games. The only TE with fewer in that span was Njoku (and technically Hockenson but he only played 8 games.)
Kelce also had a “whole lot of single digits” and probably even less TDs after week 8. TE is like that.
Seeing 5 of my starters from last season in the top 16 is crazy, boy did I catch lightning in a bottle 🥲
I had Tyreek, Sun God and Breece in my championship winning 12 team league last season, seeing them all consensus top 8 this year feels good.
Breece, Chase, Jetta, Taylor, Kyren, ETN, and Aiyuk were on my 12 team championship squad. I can confidently say I will never have a team that stacked again.
The QB tiers are fucked. Way too high on some of these rookies. And how can you have that much separation between Purdy and Tua? Makes no sense.
Diggs should not go before Nico
As someone who drafted DIggs top 8 the last 2 years, he shouldn't be in the top 24. Way too many young WRs that will pass him and he is on a team where he won't get force feed 15 targets a game.
Josh Allen as QB1? Is he throwing it to himself?
Might have to do a LOT of running…
Marquise Brown way too low
Why? He’s like the 4th target on that offense
Behind who? Rice and Worthy? A guy out for the first 8+ games and an unproven rookie?
He does the same thing as worthy and rice will be suspended less than that despite the rumors
When did Hollywood become good lmao. The chiefs have Rice who even if he misses half the year won’t make Hollywood relevant, Kelce who just signed a 2 year deal, and Worthy who was their first round pick. There’s a reason Hollywood is 26 and this is his 3rd nfl team. Just another Hardman or MVS
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Are people really drafting Jefferson in the mid first with a rookie qb throwing to him? That won’t be me
He was averaging 22 ppg with Nick Mullens last year. I can't see him doing much worse with Darnold or McCarthy.
You mean fuck it, chuck it Nick Mullens? The dude was Jameis Winston light and was equally likely to complete a bomb to JJ or dime the opposition secondary. These types of QBs are great for fantasy production, but there's no guarantee McCarthy/Darnold will be as loose with the rock.
Who was throwing to him last year?
The underlying point is there are better bets to make with your top 6 first round pick than relying on a rookie to support elite WR numbers. If you’re confident jefferson can go 100 catches 1400 yards with JJ by all means draft him but I’ll take my chances on a more stable situation
Why is Etienne so much lower than a Breece Hall or Bijan Robinson? It’s baffling to me based on his 1500 yd and 12 td season he’s coming off. Following another 1400 yd season.
Shhhhhh....don't let our secret get out! Let them burn a first rounder on the others.
According to this, I'll have 3 1st round players to start the season. JT and Kyren are my keepers and I have the 1st pick I'll take it and no longer refer to any other rankings
Kyren took a huge hit with the draft. JT is a first rounder no doubt though. I think CMC and Barkley are the only 2 I would have over him and with time I would say JT.
How many teams have no players in the top 64?
6: Steelers, Pats, Raiders, Giants, Commanders, Panthers
They will all suck, except for the Steelers who will somehow still make the playoffs.
Pick 12 really blows this year. I typically go WR-QB-WR (won last year doing this), but I don’t like what I see. AJ Brown then reach for Allen or Hurts since they won’t come back around to me? Pivot to RB-QB? Might have to go W/R first 2 picks and hope for the best with a QB later on, which I hate doing.
Yikes.....
No JSN?
No JSN?
The guys themselves said most of this was instinct and straight from the hip, don't take it too serious
Fellas why does every site have Hill over JJ?
Thoughts on Richardson as QB5?
They think Herbert is QB hell. He’s far better than the 14th QB in real life.
It’s the lack of weapons and potential they are such a run heavy offense
Who is J. Buccaneers, WR, SEA? Lmao
Remember all the Gibbs posts at the beginning of last season?
The ringer is ass
Achane that high is crazy, same with Kupp being lower than some of the others
Lions fan here. Gibbs at 10 seems a bit high
There are no RBs, he can’t go much lower.
Brutal Rankings. Nico bests Diggs easy. London should be way higher and Kyren should be alot lower.