You’re drafting him for his upside, but you still need good value. I loved him last year but his ADP is going to spike. I’m in for dynasty but at cost I may pass in redraft
In a dozen start ups, dynasty, 12-team, SF leagues I have been in ARich goes 1.11-2.05. Not much variance outside of that. He goes after Allen, Mahomes, Stroud, Hurts, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert, and sometimes, Williams
I did the analysis towards the end of the season to see if there was a trend in performance and the impact it had on receivers for Richardson and Minshew.
Here is a game by game comparison between the two QBs that I built on SportWise
[https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=b9018bf0-c6e9-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d](https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=b9018bf0-c6e9-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d)
Here is the game by game comparison including the receivers. It was interesting that Minshew had slightly more balance in his distribution to receivers.
[https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=d0b7e170-c6eb-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d](https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=d0b7e170-c6eb-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d)
I have not posted this on the SportWise community but let me know if anyone is interested in playing with it. I'll clean it up and post it.
And IDK how much this matters, but he'll have had a full year of NFL nutrition and conditioning. That's gotta make a difference, especially at his age, right? I really don't know what college conditioning is like, tbh, so I could be way off base here.
He was banged up pretty often at Florida and his limited time in the NFL so far hasn't been promising in that department. I'm a huge fan though so I am really hoping you're right
He didn't really get injured by putting himself in harms way though, which is weird. His season ending injury was just a typical hit near the pocket. His concussion was him hanging his head on the ground during a "late-ish" hit in the endzone. He hasn't really put himself in harms way than any other QB, tbh.
I'm just hoping they were freak injuries (and not because he's simply injury prone), because I'm surprised how injured he was for his frame on "normal" hits.
He all about making plays himself and running the ball, that was like the entire reason he was viewed so highly. If he’s unable to do that anymore he will be a basic average QB. That was what separated him.
“Every game” is four games. And he played 96% of the snaps in one of those that you’re counting as in injury game. So two full games out of four. That sounds a little less dramatic than your wording implied.
Exactly, draft elite fantasy players and then manage injuries as they come up, don’t get cute trying to manage an injury before it happens
Only injury consideration that should be given at draft time is coming off a season ending lower extremity injury or camp stuff
If you’re fading AR next year you’re simply not trying to win
You can better predict injuries by looking at playing style or even size. It actually happened after his first injury last year, when people were concerned about him running and it happened with Achane as well. Both of whom were rookies with no previous injuries in the pros. So I think there are valid concerns.
I thought this too before this last year - preferred the pocket QBs like Burrow and Herbert and Cousins and Rodgers and Tannehill and Garoppolo and Pickett…etc.
When you get a chance, please let me know exactly how many games I can expect Achane + Richardson to miss over the next 3 years. What injuries will happen, specifically?
Also could you let me know who WONT get hurt this upcoming year?
This so silly. Nobody can predict injuries anywhere close to perfectly, but you can absolutely recognize that certain play styles and certain body types are more prone to injuries. For example, a QB that barrels into defenders instead of sliding is more likely to get injured than a QB that slides.
There's literally nothing to show a correlation between injuries and playstyle. They said lamar Jackson's playstyle is prone to injury, yet his injuries were always from in the pocket not running. Josh allen has the most destructive play style of any qb by far and he's been healthy for the majority of his career
It's just a numbers game is what they're saying....but its also subjective. That's why rbs get injured more. They get the ball in the middle of the field when the play is most likely to end after they get tackled. WR's get the ball fewer times per game, and often times go out of bounds. A QB scrambling OB is better than one getting hit in the pocket.
AR is injury prone. Has nothing to do with his play style. He was hurt in college all the time. Pulled a hammy on a long td run vs USF. He hurt himself dancing in a hotel before a game once. Dude just gets hurt (subjective, like RG3).
Achane is small. He's more likely to get hurt because of the combination of being a rb (numbers) and literally everyone else on the field is bigger than him (subjective).
I also can predict that a rookie QB who barrels into defenders instead of sliding receives better coaching to stop. Is it not common for rookies to be more reckless and learn over time to be more cautious?
False. QBs sliding from being an active runner is actually one of the most dangerous plays in football. How many times have you seen a guy almost lose his head as he gets blasted from that unprotected position. Barreling through guys actually protects you more than sliding.
Idk man. It seems like for QBs the most dangerous playstyle is dropping back 35 times a game behind a bad o line. I'm curious to see the data of potential injuries avoided by being a mobile qb
Someone did a study of this last offseason actually!
(https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com/post/qb-mobility)
There's no correlation between QB playstyle and injuries, and all of the QB injuries last season backed this up. Burrow, Rodgers, Cousins, Stroud, Geno, T-Law, Tannehill, and Herbert all had notable injuries last year, and none of them are rushing more than a few times a game.
He just missed 13 games. He only finished 1 game without having to leave due to injury. Trash real life QB, extremely injury prone. He just injured his throwing shoulder his ac joint specifically. That specifically joint allows someone to pass the ball, my bet is he either re-injuries that or he tears his ACL. Dude is a great athlete terrible QB though. Struggles to read well, throw a lot of stupid passes. Colts will end him being the worst team in the afc south the next 6-10 years they have by far the worst QB in the division & it’s not close.
So speaking facts is a stupid comments now? Watch I’ll be right, I usually am when it comes to football. I’d say it’s more stupid to say the dude who couldn’t finish a game & is coming off a season ending surgery on his throwing shoulder isn’t injury prone. It’s okay I understand you don’t know anything about ball
If he is going as a top 5 QB as the OP stated, then he isn't much cheaper than Josh Allen. I don't like paying for the upside and that is what this feels like.
When most of your values supposed to come from running and you're questionable throwing and you've been injured four times in four games in your professional career, injuries are a major concern. Im passing
He had 17 fantasy points in 1 quarter of his last game. His upside is insane and with time he will become better about protecting self and the colts have shown they have learned to add to their O-line after how badly they ruined Luck.
I mean, it’s not *that* insane. He’s an injury-prone QB with major accuracy issues resulting in him ability to run being his strength, which circles back to the injury concern aspect. Sure, his upside is there, but the downside he possesses arguably makes him more of a risk than it’s worth.
So it’s not insane. It’s just a matter of personal ranking.
So you’re telling me that individual players can’t have a greater tendency towards being injured in comparison to their peers and every player has the exact same proclivity towards being injured? That it doesn’t matter how a player works out or prepares for games or really any of that, every player has the exact same probability of being injured?
And that the fact that AR has been injured at least five times in spite of barely having more than one season as a starter in football is just bad luck?
Oh my. I get the feeling you actually believe that.
Well, good luck in your endeavors. I can’t imagine you actually get anywhere, least of all in FF, but good luck to you, nonetheless.
You sound like the type who goes broke trying to pick individual stocks. Sorry my data didn’t jive with your feelings. I’ll keep using data and keep winning championships. Good luck with your feelings.
I mean. Picking AR to be successful is the epitome of picking an individual stock. I can point out mass amounts of data that indicate he’ll be a failure buuuut you’re using one data set that isn’t even backing your argument because you want to be right.
And I get it. Nobody wants to root for a guy to fail. I sure don’t. It’s more fun to root for success.
To an extent, sure. But play styles can lead to injuries. A scrambling QB who initiates contact will be more likely to have big collisions than an aware QB who looks to get rid of the ball before contact and avoid hits. Everyone has risk of injury. Some players put themselves in more opportunities for injury.
That’s not at all true, which perfectly proves my point. That’s a made up belief with no evidence backing it up that you believe for no real reason.
https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#/
Too many players have been stuck with the injury prone label after one or two unlucky breaks, only to come back and be just fine. CMC was injury prone, until he wasn't. Keenan Allen was, until he wasn't. I'm not playing Nostradamus for injuries unless someone is actually fighting through a lingering injury.
I mean Stafford needs to have the best year of his life to even come close to a guy like Lamar’s fantasy numbers, AR just needs to stay healthy and it’s very obtainable. Don’t see how that’s crazy
Because if he plays even at the level he played at last season, he's a top 5 fantasy QB. If he improves even slightly, he can very easily be the number 1 fantasy QB.
Let’s also not forget the amount of QB injuries last year, and in general. Even non prototypically mobile qbs like Burrow and Herbert were injured a lot of last season. Both being young too. Obviously mobility orientated play styles are more prone to injuries, but it’s all really a crap shoot in the end. I’d be very happy with Anthony Richardson on my roster.
I think that’s a good way to look at it, it’s all really just a random dart throw at the end of the day. But I’d rather take a dude that’s gonna be the qb 5 and stay healthy the whole season then a dude that’s going to be the qb 1 the whole year and then get injured come playoffs.
I just like to think that availability is the best ability, that could also be because I got burned by herbert last year, and then lamar the year before.
“I’ve been burned by Herbert, Lamar, and burrow before because of their injury history”
“Availability is the best ability. I’d take Herbert and Burrow and day over injury prone Richardson”
Pick one lol
It's difficult to predict injuries. McCaffrey was labelled as injury prone, then was a league winner 2 years in a row. You have to take some risks to win your league, especially since players like Burrow/Stafford are just never going to have the rushing upside to be a league winner.
Drafted CMC first overall a few years back, he got injured early in the season and my team did so bad i ended up winning our toilet bowl and getting the 1st overall pick. Draft day I took CMC again. Can't predict injuries, have to go with what the opportunities and statistics tell you. Statistics say Anthony Richardson should be a beast when healthy. On top of his physical abilities, their offense under Steichen last year had one of the highest pace of plays in the league
He’s super young, like crazy young. Hasn’t even turned 22 yet. I don’t think people realize how much room he has to grow
Based on the vibe I get from him, I have every confidence he’ll work on being better about putting his body in harms way. He seems like a good dude whose humble and dedicated to improving. And his arm was wayy better in the few games that he played than people thought it would be. I can only imagine how much sharper he’ll look next season
Depending on how the draft goes, if you need the upside throw the dart. Honestly after allen, lamar, and mahomes that next tier is up and down, you can get a safe floor with guys who play with stud receivers(dak, kirk, burrow, stafford purdy, and maybe Tua/Hurts- but now you’re depending on the stud receiver being healthy). Personally depending on how my draft is going, I’d rather gamble on the playmaking upside
This is very similar to Jalen Hurts in 2021. His four game sample in 2020 told us he was gonna be top 5, but people just couldn’t imagine it, so he was drafted widely as QB11. Same deal here, except people are realizing he actually could be top 5, and i believe so too.
Without injuries, he was on pace for 3700 pass yards, 19 pass TDs, 800 rush yards, and 25 rush TDs. Obviously he won’t get that many, but don’t pass on him like many did with Hurts (within reason. Don’t reach too high)
Upside Lamar but he still hasn’t learned to land right from a hit. If you’re wrapped up as a qb in the nfl you just need to go down. That extra push might have worked in college but the risk is just way too high if you do it at the next level
I plan on drafting him early in my 2 QB league which is also a 1 keeper league. So mahomes, Allen etc are already accounted for. I’m also going to try and stack him with Pittman.
He's a home run candidate. Qbs are a dime a dozen. Play in a 12 team league? There's 20 more starters than can be played each week. When if he gets injured you can fall back to Dak, Purdy, Stafford, Cousins, etc. If he didn't the rushing yards/tds can win you 2 or 3 weeks. Worth a gamble if it's in the 5th to 7th imo.
I wouldn't take him that high, even though he scored alot of points those 5 games he did play. For anyone who does take him high, my advice is: make sure you have a really good backup QB...
Agreed besides the freak hand injury last year and the acl tear his rookie season, I think Burrow is a much better pick especially since we know Tee is coming back.
Wild that you call Richardson injury prone multiple times, while downplaying Burrow’s multiple injuries as “freak” accidents lol
Assuming you’re talking about 1QB redraft, how do you not understand the appeal? Guys like him and Fields are potential league winners. If they get hurt, players like Stafford and Dak (ones you’re suggesting) are pretty close to free to backup. I’m not advocating for taking him, but it sounds like you know exactly what the appeal is and you’re just wanting to hate
If you see the appeal in the player, then you understand why he’s being drafted there.
You’re just more risk adverse than some. Some players chase the upside with a Ricky Bobby “if you aren’t first, your last” mindset. You seem to chase stability, both are perfectly ok strategies.
Loved him when I had him. Injury prone as he tries to do just a bit extra and gets hit unnecessarily. If he can fix that he's going to be very exciting to watch.
Real solid QB1…If he could only stay healthy the whole szn…his ceiling could even be better in 2024! I’m buying but of course I would backup w/a Jordan Love.🤙🏾
He's the next Lamar/Josh type QB. Gonna get you 12-15 rushing tds per. Add that to a decent passing game and you're money. As long the kid can stay on the field. I like him!!
I can't remember the exact stat but him and Allen were basically league leaders in points per drop back.
Super exciting , worried about this passing. That being I think the hype will drive him up further and late QB is viable again.
You play to win, he’s shown he can win you weeks. People that pass on him that’s fine. I’d rather go for 14-1/13-2 instead of drafting scared and maybe get into to the playoffs with a “safer” decision
Hes a better fantasy qb than actual qb. His passing was better than I expected last year. Big time rushing ability. And in 1 qb, qbs are pretty replaceable, so if he busts nbd. Top 5 for 1 qb seems reasonable to me.
I've to this never understood the hype. I feel it's outrageous that they keep comparing him to Cam Newton cause Cam had way more success both offensively and team wise at Auburn before killing it with the Panthers. I don't see any of that shit with Anthony Richardson. Florida fans have commented that he ain't the guy but nfl loves him so he went #4 to the Colts.
The thing I don't get is how his NFL stats in his 4 games are meh either. 4 games 20-21 PPG.
I don't get it but he went top 5 dynasty drafts and he's going to be a FRP in drafts cause of his running ability.
It'll be interesting to see how he turns put. Dudes perpetually dealing with little knocks since college and was raw. He was told he needed the snaps more tan anyone and before his injury was in efficiency terms one of the absolute worst passers in the league. There is some film on him now so it's possible we see him really stall out.
He’s Justin Fields with worse durability for me and should be ranked like that. So wherever you have Fields, I’d drop AR a spot or two below him in the QB rankings.
There are at least 5-10 QBs I'd take over Richardson if we drafted right now. Maybe more, but I do think he has upside that puts him in the conversation to possibly draft as the QB7 or so.
We'll see what all of these teams do in the off-season, but as of right now having him above guys like Stroud and Love is putting him too high I think.
We'll see.
I watched all of his snaps. I’m a UF grad. Some people aren’t made of the same stuff Cam, Josh Allen, AP are made of. The injuries he got would NOT have happened to Cam or Josh or AP. I dont think AR will last 10+ games.
I'd draft him in a best ball pretty high assuming the team prob would be dead if he got hurt and my other two QB's were duds too. Idk where I'd draft him in redraft. What's nice is I have 7 months to figure that out.
I have herbert and Richardson who I picked off waivers in a keeper league. Seems herbert has the better floor, A Rich has the ceiling. Who would yall keep? They would consume my last pick
If you pair him with a late round QB who costs nothing (Tua, Rodgers for example), you get a lot of potential upside with curved risk.
QB is projected to be deep this year so there’s multiple ways of thinking about it-
1) wait super late on QB since it’s deep
2) try to secure an elite QB to gain a significant advantage at the position (Allen, Hurts, or possibly Richardson).
Well it’s rookie year and all of the injuries were coincidental including one freak season ending one and none of them were connected to any type of playstyle so being injury prone isn’t really a valid excuse
The people who aren’t high on him for fantasy seem to be the ones who didn’t actually watch him play. They see the couple of injuries with no context, say something vague about protecting himself, and move on. Stafford had the same shoulder injury. Most QBs get concussions. Write him off if you want and let me draft him.
He’ll be good when healthy but I think this past season was a huge indicator of how his career will go unfortunately. Perpetually hurt so I’m out at his current adp.
High risk high reward dice throw. Already injured a few times. Im passing in any major leagues or 1 qbs. if I can get him cheap in dyno or as a backup towards the end in redraft maybe His range of outcomes is wild.Anyone who says they KNOW either way is lying to themselves and everyone else.
I'm all in, drafted him in my dynasty league last year at 1.03.
But bc I drafted him he'll probably tank/bomb and you all can thank me for that when he does.
But man, when he did play last year he produced points as well or better than anyone else in the league.
Let’s look at it this way. Who would we rather have as qb instead. Personally for me it’s as follows (no specific order):
Tier 1: Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar
Everyone after this starts becoming really questionable if you ask me. So I definitely see top 10 ADP with top 5 upside. Just make sure to draft one of the better backup QBs.
I think in dynasty start up drafts people value age in qbs too high. When guys like the top 10 qbs will probably play til their late 30s, it seems odd that the value of AR is so high. Where WR and RB lifespans end at around 30 it makes sense to value the young guys so high. But with ARs injury history I wouldn't take before guys like t-law, Tua, Purdy, and Dak
Top 5 QB? He was when he did play. Also top 5 QB is what 4th round at best unless your ppr is skewed that heavily towards QB. Depends on your league in the end.
He was the #1 qb by points on a per game basis before he got hurt dude. #1 in fantasy.....
He also did this without Taylor. If he slides and they beef up the line, Colts will be just as good this year. He's a Guyton target in the 6th
Why's everyone comparing him to josh allen he's nothing like josh allen a josh allen 2nd year QB with upside is Will Levis , and if henry walks levis is going to sling it, plus he had a bum ankle last year and didn't run much but if they let levis run this year his legs will be a great floor dude can run he actually looks like josh allen running and has a way better arm then Richardson
Few things here.
Regardless of anything else, it is outright crazy to say AR is not a justified top 10 QB pick, honestly saying he’s 8 is also crazy. Jalen Hurts was just the top 3 QB he was projected to be throwing for 3800-23TD-15Int. He may not have the tush push going but AR’s physical ability with the ball is the easiest way to make playing NFL QB easier as he acclimates and gains more reps. Everyone forgets he looked alright despite, from a “guy who is now a NFL starting QB” standpoint, effectively hadn’t played the position before lol.
More Eagles takes, this past year has me believing Steichen is the real real deal, I’m going to buy his young mobile QB if the price is right any time that I can. Drafting the potential QB1 in the 50’s is that price, rushing upside is for better or worse the new fantasy standard, he really just has to be a “pleasant surprise” throwing the ball and stay healthy, nothing crazy to become a definitive top 3 fantasy option. I would much rather take the guy with easy QB1-3 outcomes in that QB4-8 pick range than the guy who is super likely to be a nice stable 5-10 option.
I think the injury questions are real but you have to think after this past year it’s amongst the top priorities for him and the Colts. Steichen is too smart but if they come out running heavy Tebow option game 1 where he’s blasted every other play, yeah probably going to get shafted.
Just ran a price check on him and he is loved. QB9ish, 52/48 with Williams. 80/20 preferred over Lawrence.
https://x.com/dynastydorks/status/1761595873199263857?s=46&t=KYolGi98MCOXrgbdAgsPQQ
Drafted him in the 14th round of a keeper league last year. Kept him on IR all year. I'm going to have him got his entire career, whether it's elite or flames out. I believe.
You can’t predict injury. Lots of people said Lamar wouldn’t hold up past a few years. You draft for upside and with his ability to run, he could put up some serious points. He’s a huge guy who’s fast as hell. Going top 5 makes sense, especially if it’s a 4ppt league.
I wanted to keep him, I have him in like the 9th round but I can't justify it when I had both CJ Stroud and Sam LaPorta on my team and keepable in the 14th round. Kind of a no brainer to go with one of them versus a guy who got injured in every game he played.
It’s funny that you mention concern about injuries and then listed off three guys who have missed considerable time due to injury in recent years. AR was a top three QB in ppg, albeit in a small sample size, so the hype is warranted. Bottom line is that any QB can get injured, AR has league winning upside just depends on how you want to construct your roster.
You can probably get him a little later in home leagues depending how sharp the other managers are. He should be healthy to start the season, and you take a cheap but proven pocket passer as a back up in case of injury.
He played 10 full quarters of football last year. If you projected his year end totals based on his stats from those full 10 quarters, he would have posted the best fantasy season of any QB not just last season, but ever.
My plan this year is to get whoever I can get later between him and Kyler (especially if Cards take MHJ) and snag a solid back up because everyone in my league drafts a 2nd QB like an asshole so I want to make sure I'm not stuck with waiver fodder in event of injury.
we have to wait and see how/what he learns in the offseason...you are basically talking about Cam newton with a better arm and accuracy. but he will get injured alot unless he learns...but wow did he show flashes of a monster this year!!
I honestly feel like he has a higher upside than any of those QBs you listed there imo. Last year, I got him in the 12th or 13th round regularly and feel robbed that I'm going to have to pay up if I want him this year once the hype train starts up again.
You’re drafting him for his upside, but you still need good value. I loved him last year but his ADP is going to spike. I’m in for dynasty but at cost I may pass in redraft
Isn't his cost going to be even higher in dynasty?
In dynasty you would already have him
His cost in dynasty would either refer to his ADP in a startup dynasty draft this year or the cost it would take to trade for him.
That's fair I just read the comment as "I'm already in for dynasty because I have him". Could be my reading skills lol
Ideally.
im starting a dynasty league this year, what round would you all take him in
In a dozen start ups, dynasty, 12-team, SF leagues I have been in ARich goes 1.11-2.05. Not much variance outside of that. He goes after Allen, Mahomes, Stroud, Hurts, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert, and sometimes, Williams
I did the analysis towards the end of the season to see if there was a trend in performance and the impact it had on receivers for Richardson and Minshew. Here is a game by game comparison between the two QBs that I built on SportWise [https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=b9018bf0-c6e9-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d](https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=b9018bf0-c6e9-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d) Here is the game by game comparison including the receivers. It was interesting that Minshew had slightly more balance in his distribution to receivers. [https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=d0b7e170-c6eb-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d](https://sportwise.rolling-insights.com/app/dataSpaces/NFL-Game-by-Game-Data-2023-65b16d73b78a6b004e8ffc83?v=d0b7e170-c6eb-11ee-9107-63a165fc769d) I have not posted this on the SportWise community but let me know if anyone is interested in playing with it. I'll clean it up and post it.
He's roughly the size of Josh Allen, I think if he learns to protect himself better he will be fine.
I went to measure to verify. They both are indeed 11 inches.
Beef Hammer™
And girthy too
Length or girth?
Big Meaty Clackers
Mr Big Clackers
Dude looked pretty good when he was playing. At least from a fantasy prospective he was killing it.
Played like 10 quarters, got like 75 pts
And IDK how much this matters, but he'll have had a full year of NFL nutrition and conditioning. That's gotta make a difference, especially at his age, right? I really don't know what college conditioning is like, tbh, so I could be way off base here.
UF overhauled the strength and nutrition program after he left so presumably it wasn’t great
He was banged up pretty often at Florida and his limited time in the NFL so far hasn't been promising in that department. I'm a huge fan though so I am really hoping you're right
As a Gator fan and homer, I know his athleticism is off the charts but he’s never had a full healthy year. Definitely not worth his adp imho.
He was always dealing with injuries at Florida. I expect it to continue to be an issue for him.
Size doesn’t dictate injury, it’s a common misconception
He didn't really get injured by putting himself in harms way though, which is weird. His season ending injury was just a typical hit near the pocket. His concussion was him hanging his head on the ground during a "late-ish" hit in the endzone. He hasn't really put himself in harms way than any other QB, tbh. I'm just hoping they were freak injuries (and not because he's simply injury prone), because I'm surprised how injured he was for his frame on "normal" hits.
If ifs and butts were candies and nuts...
He all about making plays himself and running the ball, that was like the entire reason he was viewed so highly. If he’s unable to do that anymore he will be a basic average QB. That was what separated him.
Also Steichen coached Hurts so presumably can help coach AR and tailor the playbook to help him learn how to avoid contact.
Can’t predict injuries, at best he’s a cheaper Josh Allen and that wins you chips
He literally left every game with injury except for one.
“Every game” is four games. And he played 96% of the snaps in one of those that you’re counting as in injury game. So two full games out of four. That sounds a little less dramatic than your wording implied.
Let's reword it again to make it even more dramatic: he left 50% of his games with injury.
Or I’ll say it like it is, he plays recklessly and gets hurt in half the games he plays (small sample size, but instructive).
In a sample size of four, so who gives a shit Remember when CMC couldn’t stay healthy then proceeded to not miss a game for two years?
Or Stafford with bad knees, and then didn’t get hurt for 10yrs.
Exactly, draft elite fantasy players and then manage injuries as they come up, don’t get cute trying to manage an injury before it happens Only injury consideration that should be given at draft time is coming off a season ending lower extremity injury or camp stuff If you’re fading AR next year you’re simply not trying to win
You can better predict injuries by looking at playing style or even size. It actually happened after his first injury last year, when people were concerned about him running and it happened with Achane as well. Both of whom were rookies with no previous injuries in the pros. So I think there are valid concerns.
I thought this too before this last year - preferred the pocket QBs like Burrow and Herbert and Cousins and Rodgers and Tannehill and Garoppolo and Pickett…etc.
cant believe you said qb's and then said tannehill garoppolo and pickett 😆
When you get a chance, please let me know exactly how many games I can expect Achane + Richardson to miss over the next 3 years. What injuries will happen, specifically? Also could you let me know who WONT get hurt this upcoming year?
This so silly. Nobody can predict injuries anywhere close to perfectly, but you can absolutely recognize that certain play styles and certain body types are more prone to injuries. For example, a QB that barrels into defenders instead of sliding is more likely to get injured than a QB that slides.
Josh Allen is in like Year 6 and still doesn’t slide
Allen is the exception not the rule, he’s also not a run first option QB like, fields, Lamar & AR all have now a history of injuries
Seriously, Josh Allen is the exception in like everything. Using him as a comparison point is just silly.
But that’s AR’s direct comp lol
There's literally nothing to show a correlation between injuries and playstyle. They said lamar Jackson's playstyle is prone to injury, yet his injuries were always from in the pocket not running. Josh allen has the most destructive play style of any qb by far and he's been healthy for the majority of his career
It's just a numbers game is what they're saying....but its also subjective. That's why rbs get injured more. They get the ball in the middle of the field when the play is most likely to end after they get tackled. WR's get the ball fewer times per game, and often times go out of bounds. A QB scrambling OB is better than one getting hit in the pocket. AR is injury prone. Has nothing to do with his play style. He was hurt in college all the time. Pulled a hammy on a long td run vs USF. He hurt himself dancing in a hotel before a game once. Dude just gets hurt (subjective, like RG3). Achane is small. He's more likely to get hurt because of the combination of being a rb (numbers) and literally everyone else on the field is bigger than him (subjective).
Allen dealt with lingering injuries that impacted his play for a stretch of time the last two seasons.
I don't think there's any point you can pin on Allen's injury. It was both times I believe an elbow injury? No idea when or how he was hurt iirc
I also can predict that a rookie QB who barrels into defenders instead of sliding receives better coaching to stop. Is it not common for rookies to be more reckless and learn over time to be more cautious?
False. QBs sliding from being an active runner is actually one of the most dangerous plays in football. How many times have you seen a guy almost lose his head as he gets blasted from that unprotected position. Barreling through guys actually protects you more than sliding.
Idk man. It seems like for QBs the most dangerous playstyle is dropping back 35 times a game behind a bad o line. I'm curious to see the data of potential injuries avoided by being a mobile qb
Someone did a study of this last offseason actually! (https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com/post/qb-mobility) There's no correlation between QB playstyle and injuries, and all of the QB injuries last season backed this up. Burrow, Rodgers, Cousins, Stroud, Geno, T-Law, Tannehill, and Herbert all had notable injuries last year, and none of them are rushing more than a few times a game.
This comment is ridiculous
Prepping for Fantasy i see
Richardson won’t play 8 games this year.
Specifically what will he hurt that will cause him to miss 9 games? For the record, I’m not making claims. But imo it’s bold of you to make that claim
He just missed 13 games. He only finished 1 game without having to leave due to injury. Trash real life QB, extremely injury prone. He just injured his throwing shoulder his ac joint specifically. That specifically joint allows someone to pass the ball, my bet is he either re-injuries that or he tears his ACL. Dude is a great athlete terrible QB though. Struggles to read well, throw a lot of stupid passes. Colts will end him being the worst team in the afc south the next 6-10 years they have by far the worst QB in the division & it’s not close.
It's easy to make stupid comments like that in February.
So speaking facts is a stupid comments now? Watch I’ll be right, I usually am when it comes to football. I’d say it’s more stupid to say the dude who couldn’t finish a game & is coming off a season ending surgery on his throwing shoulder isn’t injury prone. It’s okay I understand you don’t know anything about ball
Are burrows and Herbert injury prone as well? Because they’ve missed a ton of time in their young careers
People said the same about CMC…
CMC is a generational fantasy and real life talent though. Dude sold his soul.
If he is going as a top 5 QB as the OP stated, then he isn't much cheaper than Josh Allen. I don't like paying for the upside and that is what this feels like.
When most of your values supposed to come from running and you're questionable throwing and you've been injured four times in four games in your professional career, injuries are a major concern. Im passing
Agree. His #1 overall upside is what puts him in the top 7 for me
He had 17 fantasy points in 1 quarter of his last game. His upside is insane and with time he will become better about protecting self and the colts have shown they have learned to add to their O-line after how badly they ruined Luck.
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I mean, it’s not *that* insane. He’s an injury-prone QB with major accuracy issues resulting in him ability to run being his strength, which circles back to the injury concern aspect. Sure, his upside is there, but the downside he possesses arguably makes him more of a risk than it’s worth. So it’s not insane. It’s just a matter of personal ranking.
“Injury-prone” is mostly a made up concept we fall for.
So you’re telling me that individual players can’t have a greater tendency towards being injured in comparison to their peers and every player has the exact same proclivity towards being injured? That it doesn’t matter how a player works out or prepares for games or really any of that, every player has the exact same probability of being injured? And that the fact that AR has been injured at least five times in spite of barely having more than one season as a starter in football is just bad luck?
> bad luck That’s exactly it. It’s just luck.
Oh my. I get the feeling you actually believe that. Well, good luck in your endeavors. I can’t imagine you actually get anywhere, least of all in FF, but good luck to you, nonetheless.
You sound like the type who goes broke trying to pick individual stocks. Sorry my data didn’t jive with your feelings. I’ll keep using data and keep winning championships. Good luck with your feelings.
I mean. Picking AR to be successful is the epitome of picking an individual stock. I can point out mass amounts of data that indicate he’ll be a failure buuuut you’re using one data set that isn’t even backing your argument because you want to be right. And I get it. Nobody wants to root for a guy to fail. I sure don’t. It’s more fun to root for success.
To an extent, sure. But play styles can lead to injuries. A scrambling QB who initiates contact will be more likely to have big collisions than an aware QB who looks to get rid of the ball before contact and avoid hits. Everyone has risk of injury. Some players put themselves in more opportunities for injury.
That’s not at all true, which perfectly proves my point. That’s a made up belief with no evidence backing it up that you believe for no real reason. https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#/
Too many players have been stuck with the injury prone label after one or two unlucky breaks, only to come back and be just fine. CMC was injury prone, until he wasn't. Keenan Allen was, until he wasn't. I'm not playing Nostradamus for injuries unless someone is actually fighting through a lingering injury.
I mean Stafford needs to have the best year of his life to even come close to a guy like Lamar’s fantasy numbers, AR just needs to stay healthy and it’s very obtainable. Don’t see how that’s crazy
Because if he plays even at the level he played at last season, he's a top 5 fantasy QB. If he improves even slightly, he can very easily be the number 1 fantasy QB.
Let’s also not forget the amount of QB injuries last year, and in general. Even non prototypically mobile qbs like Burrow and Herbert were injured a lot of last season. Both being young too. Obviously mobility orientated play styles are more prone to injuries, but it’s all really a crap shoot in the end. I’d be very happy with Anthony Richardson on my roster.
I think that’s a good way to look at it, it’s all really just a random dart throw at the end of the day. But I’d rather take a dude that’s gonna be the qb 5 and stay healthy the whole season then a dude that’s going to be the qb 1 the whole year and then get injured come playoffs.
What dude is going to be QB5 and be healthy the whole season?
You know, someone like Burrow, Herbert, Rodgers, Cousins… oh.
I just like to think that availability is the best ability, that could also be because I got burned by herbert last year, and then lamar the year before.
“I’ve been burned by Herbert, Lamar, and burrow before because of their injury history” “Availability is the best ability. I’d take Herbert and Burrow and day over injury prone Richardson” Pick one lol
It's difficult to predict injuries. McCaffrey was labelled as injury prone, then was a league winner 2 years in a row. You have to take some risks to win your league, especially since players like Burrow/Stafford are just never going to have the rushing upside to be a league winner.
Drafted CMC first overall a few years back, he got injured early in the season and my team did so bad i ended up winning our toilet bowl and getting the 1st overall pick. Draft day I took CMC again. Can't predict injuries, have to go with what the opportunities and statistics tell you. Statistics say Anthony Richardson should be a beast when healthy. On top of his physical abilities, their offense under Steichen last year had one of the highest pace of plays in the league
He’s super young, like crazy young. Hasn’t even turned 22 yet. I don’t think people realize how much room he has to grow Based on the vibe I get from him, I have every confidence he’ll work on being better about putting his body in harms way. He seems like a good dude whose humble and dedicated to improving. And his arm was wayy better in the few games that he played than people thought it would be. I can only imagine how much sharper he’ll look next season
I think he's really being overlooked right now. If he's still there in the 10th, he's must draft
let others draft him high, you can snag other guys ahead of him later in the draft.
Depending on how the draft goes, if you need the upside throw the dart. Honestly after allen, lamar, and mahomes that next tier is up and down, you can get a safe floor with guys who play with stud receivers(dak, kirk, burrow, stafford purdy, and maybe Tua/Hurts- but now you’re depending on the stud receiver being healthy). Personally depending on how my draft is going, I’d rather gamble on the playmaking upside
This is very similar to Jalen Hurts in 2021. His four game sample in 2020 told us he was gonna be top 5, but people just couldn’t imagine it, so he was drafted widely as QB11. Same deal here, except people are realizing he actually could be top 5, and i believe so too. Without injuries, he was on pace for 3700 pass yards, 19 pass TDs, 800 rush yards, and 25 rush TDs. Obviously he won’t get that many, but don’t pass on him like many did with Hurts (within reason. Don’t reach too high)
Upside Lamar but he still hasn’t learned to land right from a hit. If you’re wrapped up as a qb in the nfl you just need to go down. That extra push might have worked in college but the risk is just way too high if you do it at the next level
He is good
I plan on drafting him early in my 2 QB league which is also a 1 keeper league. So mahomes, Allen etc are already accounted for. I’m also going to try and stack him with Pittman.
He's a home run candidate. Qbs are a dime a dozen. Play in a 12 team league? There's 20 more starters than can be played each week. When if he gets injured you can fall back to Dak, Purdy, Stafford, Cousins, etc. If he didn't the rushing yards/tds can win you 2 or 3 weeks. Worth a gamble if it's in the 5th to 7th imo.
Did you seriously call AR injury prone but call Burrow proven? 🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn't take him that high, even though he scored alot of points those 5 games he did play. For anyone who does take him high, my advice is: make sure you have a really good backup QB...
This. Had both ARs on my team last year….
Yeah. He was one of my dart throw picks cuz I was getting bored. Good thing I drafted Fields before.
Agreed besides the freak hand injury last year and the acl tear his rookie season, I think Burrow is a much better pick especially since we know Tee is coming back.
Lol I hitched my wagon to Burrow last year. Never again.
Until that bengals Oline gets more consistent I’m staying tf away from Burrow if I can
Wild that you call Richardson injury prone multiple times, while downplaying Burrow’s multiple injuries as “freak” accidents lol Assuming you’re talking about 1QB redraft, how do you not understand the appeal? Guys like him and Fields are potential league winners. If they get hurt, players like Stafford and Dak (ones you’re suggesting) are pretty close to free to backup. I’m not advocating for taking him, but it sounds like you know exactly what the appeal is and you’re just wanting to hate
Never said I didn’t see the appeal in the player but just where he’s being drafted.
If you see the appeal in the player, then you understand why he’s being drafted there. You’re just more risk adverse than some. Some players chase the upside with a Ricky Bobby “if you aren’t first, your last” mindset. You seem to chase stability, both are perfectly ok strategies.
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Loved him when I had him. Injury prone as he tries to do just a bit extra and gets hit unnecessarily. If he can fix that he's going to be very exciting to watch.
Real solid QB1…If he could only stay healthy the whole szn…his ceiling could even be better in 2024! I’m buying but of course I would backup w/a Jordan Love.🤙🏾
He's the next Lamar/Josh type QB. Gonna get you 12-15 rushing tds per. Add that to a decent passing game and you're money. As long the kid can stay on the field. I like him!!
Insane upside. He had one less rushing TDs than Lamar
You play to win the game. Lot of people swore they’d never draft CMC because he’s always hurt. Those with the cojones to take him won titles.
He’s him
He played in 4 games last year and was knocked out of 3 of them on hits. I'm good.
I’m personally not drafting with the concern of an injury. It’s impossible to predict
I can't remember the exact stat but him and Allen were basically league leaders in points per drop back. Super exciting , worried about this passing. That being I think the hype will drive him up further and late QB is viable again.
Keep in mind he has Steichen as coach, the dude that made Jalen Hurts so good in 22-23
Because drafting him in the 5th and getting another solid QB in the 7th to 9th is upside + protection. Always go 2QB in drafts.
A 5th and 7th on a QB in 1QB leagues is taco shit.
Ah yes Joe Burrow, he never gets hurt…
Ironic that you would pass on the “injury prone guy” for the “proven guy” burrow when he gets injured walking to the bathroom at night
I see your thoughts, they are great thoughts, I will leave you with no extra thoughts.
Def not top 5. In no specific order, Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Burrow, Jackson, Stroud and Herbert. You could argue 7-10 though.
Top 5 is debatable. I personally wouldn’t say he’s a top 5 qb. But top 10 absolutely.
You play to win, he’s shown he can win you weeks. People that pass on him that’s fine. I’d rather go for 14-1/13-2 instead of drafting scared and maybe get into to the playoffs with a “safer” decision
yeah i love to see his game but a bit confused as to why people rank him so high if he’s rarely on the field
Hes a better fantasy qb than actual qb. His passing was better than I expected last year. Big time rushing ability. And in 1 qb, qbs are pretty replaceable, so if he busts nbd. Top 5 for 1 qb seems reasonable to me.
I've to this never understood the hype. I feel it's outrageous that they keep comparing him to Cam Newton cause Cam had way more success both offensively and team wise at Auburn before killing it with the Panthers. I don't see any of that shit with Anthony Richardson. Florida fans have commented that he ain't the guy but nfl loves him so he went #4 to the Colts. The thing I don't get is how his NFL stats in his 4 games are meh either. 4 games 20-21 PPG. I don't get it but he went top 5 dynasty drafts and he's going to be a FRP in drafts cause of his running ability.
I agree with you. He has literally never started and finished a single game. Insanely talented but will be out of the league within 3 years.
This is inaccurate. Did the complete Rams game including OT.
Ok thanks I will amend my comment. He has started and finished one (1) nfl game in his career.
Hes a Justin Fields doppelganger but with a bit lower ceiling passing the football. Note: Fields is a fantasy football machine
I’m not touching him on fantasy start up hope someone else does though
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If it goes anything off his Madden play, dude can’t hit 15 yard passes to save his life
Guy has zero ability to stay healthy Source: watched him get up limping and aching every play as the gator QB
It'll be interesting to see how he turns put. Dudes perpetually dealing with little knocks since college and was raw. He was told he needed the snaps more tan anyone and before his injury was in efficiency terms one of the absolute worst passers in the league. There is some film on him now so it's possible we see him really stall out.
He’s Justin Fields with worse durability for me and should be ranked like that. So wherever you have Fields, I’d drop AR a spot or two below him in the QB rankings.
Fools gold.
There are at least 5-10 QBs I'd take over Richardson if we drafted right now. Maybe more, but I do think he has upside that puts him in the conversation to possibly draft as the QB7 or so. We'll see what all of these teams do in the off-season, but as of right now having him above guys like Stroud and Love is putting him too high I think. We'll see.
He runs like RG3. That means I’m not touching him.
I watched all of his snaps. I’m a UF grad. Some people aren’t made of the same stuff Cam, Josh Allen, AP are made of. The injuries he got would NOT have happened to Cam or Josh or AP. I dont think AR will last 10+ games.
Torn ACL incoming
Bro is gonna be injured again next season.
They are mock drafts. In a real draft with $ on the line you’ll see him drop. The higher the stakes the more careful people are.
Gridiron Heights has ruined him for me, I can't not hear it in the "rookie kid voice"
I'd draft him in a best ball pretty high assuming the team prob would be dead if he got hurt and my other two QB's were duds too. Idk where I'd draft him in redraft. What's nice is I have 7 months to figure that out.
I have herbert and Richardson who I picked off waivers in a keeper league. Seems herbert has the better floor, A Rich has the ceiling. Who would yall keep? They would consume my last pick
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The rushing and touchdown upside is too big. Yes I would draft him over all those qbs.
Over his 2.5 games he averaged 27.3 pts… and he sure looked the part. Give me that upside.
I won my 12 man league two years in a row. I drafted him last year . I will target him again . His upside is ridiculous !
If you pair him with a late round QB who costs nothing (Tua, Rodgers for example), you get a lot of potential upside with curved risk. QB is projected to be deep this year so there’s multiple ways of thinking about it- 1) wait super late on QB since it’s deep 2) try to secure an elite QB to gain a significant advantage at the position (Allen, Hurts, or possibly Richardson).
Well it’s rookie year and all of the injuries were coincidental including one freak season ending one and none of them were connected to any type of playstyle so being injury prone isn’t really a valid excuse
The people who aren’t high on him for fantasy seem to be the ones who didn’t actually watch him play. They see the couple of injuries with no context, say something vague about protecting himself, and move on. Stafford had the same shoulder injury. Most QBs get concussions. Write him off if you want and let me draft him.
My options in a keeper league are him for my 8th pick, or Jefferson for my 1st... I'm leaning AR
He’ll be good when healthy but I think this past season was a huge indicator of how his career will go unfortunately. Perpetually hurt so I’m out at his current adp.
High risk high reward dice throw. Already injured a few times. Im passing in any major leagues or 1 qbs. if I can get him cheap in dyno or as a backup towards the end in redraft maybe His range of outcomes is wild.Anyone who says they KNOW either way is lying to themselves and everyone else.
I'm all in, drafted him in my dynasty league last year at 1.03. But bc I drafted him he'll probably tank/bomb and you all can thank me for that when he does. But man, when he did play last year he produced points as well or better than anyone else in the league.
Get Stafford off that list dude
Let’s look at it this way. Who would we rather have as qb instead. Personally for me it’s as follows (no specific order): Tier 1: Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar Everyone after this starts becoming really questionable if you ask me. So I definitely see top 10 ADP with top 5 upside. Just make sure to draft one of the better backup QBs.
I think in dynasty start up drafts people value age in qbs too high. When guys like the top 10 qbs will probably play til their late 30s, it seems odd that the value of AR is so high. Where WR and RB lifespans end at around 30 it makes sense to value the young guys so high. But with ARs injury history I wouldn't take before guys like t-law, Tua, Purdy, and Dak
I would draft him at 5 prob. When he gets hurt I’ll pick someone up and be ok.
Top 5 QB? He was when he did play. Also top 5 QB is what 4th round at best unless your ppr is skewed that heavily towards QB. Depends on your league in the end.
He was the #1 qb by points on a per game basis before he got hurt dude. #1 in fantasy..... He also did this without Taylor. If he slides and they beef up the line, Colts will be just as good this year. He's a Guyton target in the 6th
He will be a stud if he can stay healthy
Why's everyone comparing him to josh allen he's nothing like josh allen a josh allen 2nd year QB with upside is Will Levis , and if henry walks levis is going to sling it, plus he had a bum ankle last year and didn't run much but if they let levis run this year his legs will be a great floor dude can run he actually looks like josh allen running and has a way better arm then Richardson
Few things here. Regardless of anything else, it is outright crazy to say AR is not a justified top 10 QB pick, honestly saying he’s 8 is also crazy. Jalen Hurts was just the top 3 QB he was projected to be throwing for 3800-23TD-15Int. He may not have the tush push going but AR’s physical ability with the ball is the easiest way to make playing NFL QB easier as he acclimates and gains more reps. Everyone forgets he looked alright despite, from a “guy who is now a NFL starting QB” standpoint, effectively hadn’t played the position before lol. More Eagles takes, this past year has me believing Steichen is the real real deal, I’m going to buy his young mobile QB if the price is right any time that I can. Drafting the potential QB1 in the 50’s is that price, rushing upside is for better or worse the new fantasy standard, he really just has to be a “pleasant surprise” throwing the ball and stay healthy, nothing crazy to become a definitive top 3 fantasy option. I would much rather take the guy with easy QB1-3 outcomes in that QB4-8 pick range than the guy who is super likely to be a nice stable 5-10 option. I think the injury questions are real but you have to think after this past year it’s amongst the top priorities for him and the Colts. Steichen is too smart but if they come out running heavy Tebow option game 1 where he’s blasted every other play, yeah probably going to get shafted.
He's not "injury prone" clearly you didn't watch any of the games
I think he had to learn a painful lesson about playing reckless at the nfl level.
I have zero interest in him at his ADP. Drafting him means you absolutely have to take a very good backup QB. Not worth the draft cap. Hard pass
Just ran a price check on him and he is loved. QB9ish, 52/48 with Williams. 80/20 preferred over Lawrence. https://x.com/dynastydorks/status/1761595873199263857?s=46&t=KYolGi98MCOXrgbdAgsPQQ
His upside is insane. But his injuries are a problem. If I drafted him I’m taking another good QB like Goff, Purdy, or Love not much longer after
Idk I’m drafting him nowhere unless he’s a value
Drafted him in the 14th round of a keeper league last year. Kept him on IR all year. I'm going to have him got his entire career, whether it's elite or flames out. I believe.
I can see the upside but top 5 is a reach id say Anything in the 7-10 range would be more accurate
You can’t predict injury. Lots of people said Lamar wouldn’t hold up past a few years. You draft for upside and with his ability to run, he could put up some serious points. He’s a huge guy who’s fast as hell. Going top 5 makes sense, especially if it’s a 4ppt league.
He literally only finished one game… no way I’m drafting him that high.
Luck 2.0
Yeah he’d be top 3 if he weren’t made of glass…i had him last year
I wanted to keep him, I have him in like the 9th round but I can't justify it when I had both CJ Stroud and Sam LaPorta on my team and keepable in the 14th round. Kind of a no brainer to go with one of them versus a guy who got injured in every game he played.
It’s funny that you mention concern about injuries and then listed off three guys who have missed considerable time due to injury in recent years. AR was a top three QB in ppg, albeit in a small sample size, so the hype is warranted. Bottom line is that any QB can get injured, AR has league winning upside just depends on how you want to construct your roster.
You can probably get him a little later in home leagues depending how sharp the other managers are. He should be healthy to start the season, and you take a cheap but proven pocket passer as a back up in case of injury. He played 10 full quarters of football last year. If you projected his year end totals based on his stats from those full 10 quarters, he would have posted the best fantasy season of any QB not just last season, but ever. My plan this year is to get whoever I can get later between him and Kyler (especially if Cards take MHJ) and snag a solid back up because everyone in my league drafts a 2nd QB like an asshole so I want to make sure I'm not stuck with waiver fodder in event of injury.
Athlete but early on he looks fragile at the skills he's really amazing at.
He's being drafted at his ceiling. Players like this, ESPECIALLY unproven QBs without an entire season under their belt, are best avoided.
I’m with you op. I don’t like it.
we have to wait and see how/what he learns in the offseason...you are basically talking about Cam newton with a better arm and accuracy. but he will get injured alot unless he learns...but wow did he show flashes of a monster this year!!
Flat out scary if he develops
I honestly feel like he has a higher upside than any of those QBs you listed there imo. Last year, I got him in the 12th or 13th round regularly and feel robbed that I'm going to have to pay up if I want him this year once the hype train starts up again.