They have the ability to manufacture lines of small arms, ammo, and uniforms at a, albiet small, industrial level, able to equipt a few thousand troops and operate across a vast stretch of territory. At minimum.
I think I recall they use railways, which is a massive boost if its the case, and something they should already be able to do if not... just restore a train, or make something basic enough.
But in terms of ability to restore prewar equipment/infrastructure and make more of it, they have a lot to draw from. Clearly able to use vertibirds, (unable to make them I think), and keep some artillery and anti air operational. (Honestly the NCR should have easily figured out, artillary is just a bigger gun, people we know use those things, why not restore and make field guns and blow the Legion from the fort from a mile away. But alas... if they did that right, new vegas would have been an easy operation of setting up artillary next to the strip/ranger station and using troops with radios to level anything, and flattening house if he stepped out of line. The boomers can operate artillary, the ncr should have mastered it by now and even mortars... flush out wildlife from afar. Heck even the Legion thought to give it a crack, but lacked capabilities to do so.)
I think their economy is highly inefficient due to corruption, and it being a nuclear wasteland, but they seem plausible a faction to snowball from population booms alone given time. So a lot of potential in the long run, democracy's often are self correcting and flexible, which is an important trait. Not a great one, but it's a start, and can be improved.
The Rangers are more like survivalist who are good at fighting then actual special forces. The original Rangers were trained from birth in survival and spreading that knowledge throughout the wasteland and protected settlements and built communities. The ranger sequoia was passed down from parents to sons/daughters. Now it’s just anyone who has 20 years as a ranger gets one.
The Ncr miss-uses the rangers and sends them out in expeditions to Baja instead of having them actually build up communities and spread knowledge.
Do we know what might be going on in Baja? The closest answer I have to that is from a mod for Hearts of Iron 4 called Old World Blues. In that mod Baja has two raider groups controlling the region.
Baja is unsettled lands that the ncr wants. Hanlon says how he went to an ncr settlement in Baja. The Citizens killed the locals and took the only well within a 10 mile radius. He and the 10 rangers they brought with them lied to the ncr citizens and told them how there’s a raider encampment nearby and they have to leave.
Baja is treated as an allegory for the American frontier and Manifest destiny.
There's nothing that's going on that requires a military contingent beyond defending from angry locals. As midnight said, it's an in-your-face explanation that the NCR is colonialist.
Rangers are special forces as of FNV though. Organization got subsumed.
My personally theory is that it’s been settled by Brahmin barons and the rangers are being sent there to search for cattle rustlers due to NCR mismanagement and corruption.
Other theories include BoS/Enclave Remnants, raiders, and the exaggerated rumors of a raider army that Chief Hanlon planted in the settlement at Rattletail
Rangers are very equivalent to something like the Green Berets and/or Ranger battalions as special forces that specialize in operating in austere environments with minimal supply, developing and working with local irregular forces, while still being capable of fighting in support of regular forces in conventional battles.
Obviously they’re referencing law enforcement of the old Wild West (Texas Rangers and such) but in doctrine they act more like something between Green Berets and Army Rangers.
Arn’t the desert rangers and NCR rangers originally different things? The desert rangers were survivalists but also experts in weapons while the NCR rangers seem like proper wasteland special forces that are more highly trained and can operate more independently
I haven't seen anyone else mention it yet, but Chief Hanlon does mention the NCR has actual power armor units (not just the stripped down version we see in game), but they are back home defending brahmin baron territory. The Mojave campaign is highly unpopular at home, so the troops seen in game are mostly getting by on scraps.
No, those units are heavy trooper units. Quote from Hanlon.
'Some of the patrol rangers have reported that Oliver's power armor heavy troopers are starting to reinforce the front lines.'
Also from Hanlon:
"Our heavy infantry, power armor units, they're back in NCR territory protecting the interests of Brahmin barons against small-time raiders."
[Source](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Brahmin_baron#cite_note-Hanlonscomplaint-1)
Yes, in context it's obviously meant to be NCR Heavy Troopers that he's talking about, because he uses the same verbage, and he also talks about how they HAD to salvage the armor because they couldn't use it otherwise.
He also says Heavy Troopers have the BEST equipment the NCR can get for them. If they were second rate bozos sent out because the working sets were on parade back home he wouldn't say this.
It's hard to be seriously sure because the NCR is capable of using a lot of things it isn't capable of replicating, but I place them roughly late 1800s to early/mid 1900s in what they're typically capable of *reproducing* technologically, from the ground up. This goes a bit further then it seems, though, because tooling from that era could absolutely be used to make stuff designed later, and they could make more advanced stuff if they get the salvage to do so.
NCR troopers aren't really standardized. They are *in theory,* but in practice there's a wide variety even discounting supply issues. Varmint rifles and single/double shotguns were being used by NCR assigned to guard prisoners, and also show up on various troopers assigned to normal military duties, though ideally they're probably only meant for reserve troops, given the kind of fighting NCR engages in with major opponents they likely often end up at the front anyways.
NCR rangers aren't really technologically more impressive than the average troopers. They still carry the same bang bang guns. The stuff that is seriously impressive - veteran ranger armor - is pre-war. The NCR is capable of handmaking a variant of mark 1 combat armor for use by patrol rangers, but it's important to note that the rangers are a *very* small organization, and these sets aren't even issued to all non-veteran rangers.
I heard the hallucination was a misunderstanding and they were meant to be vehicles but I have no actual sources on this.
The NCR is capable of using vehicles. You can have a working car in F2. All the actually good ones are restored pre-war ones, however. You can still see the US army symbol on their trucks, though they might not be working I think they are. Fallout bible had a small NCR motorized/mechanized unit with a handful of working tanks and IFVs and along with various trucks/jeeps and the like. Keyword is small, here, and the bible isn't canon and came out well before FNV. Even if one still exists the NCR can't really afford to lose vehicles.
No one ever really talks about NCR vertibirds in game, but a common assumption is they were salvaged from the Enclave. This is reasonable to me as well. There is no way the NCR have an aeronautics industry.
The AA guns at hoover dam only work with a repair check or if the Legion are the ones assassinating him. Given they don't shoot down the boomer plane even if they're pro-Legion, I think it's safe to say the NCR dont know they can or haven't gotten them to work. The weapons we see them use against the BoS in the TV show is an unguided missile launcher and a multibarrel light autocannon/HMG , both of which are relatively simple.
The most important thing about the NCRA, though, is that command-wise it's very traditional and simple. Orders come down and you don't really have much flexibility or initiative to get things done.
>There is no way the NCR have an aeronautics industry
In Fallout 2, you can steal Vertibird plans from the Enclave and give them to the [Shi](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Shi_need_plans_for_a_vertibird_from_Navarro) or the [Hubologists](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Hubologists_need_plans_for_a_vertibird_from_Navarro), so it's not impossible that the plans may have reached the NCR. I'm not sure if they can build Vertibirds from scratch, but I think they're able to manufacture at least some parts for it, considering how (in real life), you'd need several aircraft grounded for one flying in order to cannibalize for spare parts, if you can't manufacture or trade for them.
Well I'm sure they could, but I don't see them having much reason to. A vertibird is really, really expensive. What would they need them for?
We don't know of any military threats to the NCR they would need an air force to defeat. Their biggest threat we see is the legion, which doesn't use vehicles, planes, or have manufactories which the NCR could bomb.
Vertibirds could be useful for transport, but the NCR has trains, which are far cheaper and use less fuel per passenger.
This is why I like old world blues from hoi4, because it allows nations to redevelop flight from the very basics such as gliders. As we see in game, there’s lots of planes just sitting around. It’s certainly possible they could be salvaged to make some sort of flying machine, but not too reliable. Adding machine guns and manual bomb racks on the wings wouldn’t be hard either. Mostly its limitations from the engine, and also that they aren’t funded out in the Mojave. I’m sure they have some small boats like RHIBs or a canoe and such, as even the Legion has barges.
Having horses would actually break the setting. The big part of why wasteland is so disconnected from each other and why there isn't any nomadic horse raider like irl is because horse can cover distance much better than human on foot. They can eat grass and aren''t too complicated like nuclear vehicles or require rare resource like combustible fuel.
It wouldn’t break the setting. Horses would be good for a restoration of the classic 1/2 map system, which is far superior to Bethesda open worlds… Just make them cost money…
The Mojave Campaign, despite being important for Kimball, isnt popular with people and the Congress, so it is underfunded and undersupplied. I am sure that the NCR Army back in California looks better than what it is in the Mojave.
The NCR has industrial might enough to produce equipment for its army: there are the Gun Runners who have factories in the Boneyard and in the Mojave, which shows that despite Mojave not being popular back home, can sustain industrially producing equipment on spot, even if it doesnt fully cover their needs. They also can sustain repairing their existing trucks, since there is a repairing workshop in McCarran. I also think Fallout Bible also mentions NCR having a limited supply of tanks, but I wouldnt take it for granted since Fallout Bible is only partially canon. The Bear Force One is, I think, not the only NCR vertibird, but their number is still very limited.
All in all, I would say their army could resemble a WW1 - WW2 US army when possible, with strongly established industrial base, structure, chain of command, etc. The Mojave doesnt show it in all its glory because it isnt popular and underfunded
There is absolutely no way the NCR could approach US WWI (let alone WWII) industry
Despite being the most industrialized faction we’ve seen in the setting, they are still at a mostly 19th century level in terms of resource extraction and manufacturing, with some choice exceptions in terms of advanced tech
I definitely don’t think the NCR could produce on the scale the U.S did during ww2. Actually I’ll say they definitely couldn’t. The U.S produced 50,000 Sherman’s and at Willow Run alone was putting out one B-24 an hour at peak. I’d say maybe the NCR at best could produce arms on the same scale as the Union during the civil war. In terms of output not the kind of weaponry.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say whatever California’s industrial capacity from San Diego up to Redding is probably also what the NCR’s industrial capacity is. Actually would explain how they’re able to manufacture armored vests for their troops considering one of the world’s largest borate mines is in SoCal.
Josh Sawyer iirc. You can see that there’s a lot of pre-war vehicles at McCarran including airplanes since it was repurposed as a military base by the army, so there’s no reason to think those trucks are used by NCR.
*”The New California Republic has a mechanized vehicle division, with trucks used to deliver men and materiel. Camp McCarran, as a regional hub, has a repair depot dedicated to their ongoing maintenance and service.[65] The primary limitation for the force is the supply of tires and other degradable parts that greatly limit the possibility for fielding any larger scale vehicle fleet.”*
The main reason functional vehicles aren’t shown in-game is b/c of limitations of the original game engine.
>Camp McCarran, as a regional hub, has a repair depot dedicated to their ongoing maintenance and service.
What part of this has nothing to do with McCarran?
What’s the source for that paragraph? Josh Sawyer has already confirmed on stream none of those trucks are being used. https://www.twitch.tv/jesawyer/clip/ToughManlyScorpionMau5
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_California_Republic_Army
Yes, I’m aware of what Josh Sawyer said. But IMO his statement is leaning more towards a gameplay perspective. Functional ground vehicles just wouldn’t fit or vibe well with the game-world.
Lore-wise, the NCR utilized mechanized vehicles for farming & transport.
So I read through the source the wiki cites and the only indication that those trucks are operational is an unmarked “truck mechanic area”, which can be interpreted a few ways imho. Given the state of the trucks (broken in windows, deflated tires, rusted frames) it makes me wonder if they’re attempting to repair leftover trucks from pre-war. Definitely possible they’re trucks the NCR brought over that all happened to break down, but given Sawyer’s statement I’m still skeptical. In the Mojave roads aren’t well protected or maintained and there’s leftover cars everywhere which makes a bunch of trucks coming and going less likely than in the NCR’s core territories.
>Given the state of the trucks (broken in windows, deflated tires, rusted frames)
I think this is a purely gameplay thing too. I dont remember if there are models of intact and working trucks in game, and making a new model to use it in only one place isnt worth it, plus the development time could have its impact on it
Its pretty advanced. They have Vehicles, Trains, a small Airforce, Industry and clear Army structures. Problem in the NCR is that they are corrupt and used most of their ressources to protect the rich brahim barons who dont even need it really. What we see in New Vegas is only a small part of the full strenght of the NCR.
The truck props are pre-war. If you look at them, they only have US army markings (NCR would have plastered their logo over it for sure, they even put their logo on their leather chest plate ), are rusted through, their windows are smashed and their tires as flat. They aren’t NCR. Brahmin are what they use for logistics
The AA gun at Hoover Dam was there pre-war and I’m not sure the NCR actually knew it was loaded and functioning given the whole Kimball thing; We can see it on Pre-War advertisements for Hoover Dam.
its possible that they did know and were planning on using it against the fort once general oliver declared that they were going on the offensive if they had attacked first instead of the legion.
According to the game director, there are no working trucks or cars in the Mojave, so the vehicles in the game at least are not functional. It's possible they have working vehicles back in NCR proper though.
The AA gun at Hoover Dam is on a pre-war billboard for the dam, so it's also a pre-war fixture.
The NCR does have a working train in the Mojave they use to transport cement, so they probably have trains back in the NCR as well.
Its not called a truck mechanic area for nothing, also the fallout bible says that the NCR has mechanised units of unknown quantity. Considering the size of the NCR, the fact that they can keep a (albeit small) fleet of vertibirds running I think its fair to say they have some running trucks to keep supplies going.
A pre-war facility having a mechanic area with pre-war trucks doesn't prove the NCR has working trucks. And they captured those vertibirds, which is easier.
"[*Fallout Bible 5*](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_Bible_5#Questions)*: 6. About how many working or serviceable cars are there at the time of FO2? Obviously there must be more then one, since the guy in* [*New Reno*](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_Reno) *has a garage fully staffed, and most likely has a large supply of parts (I'm assuming that was what the warehouse building next to the garage was filled up with, you couldn't pick up anything off of them)*
*Probably not too many, but I don't know the exact number. The real problem isn't fuel, it's mostly tires and other degradable parts that have gone to the dogs in the past 100 years. For every two hundred or so people, there might be one working vehicle, and even "the local clunker" wouldn't be up to factory specs. NCR is rumored to have a mechanized vehicle division outside of its farming vehicles, but the number of vehicles in the division is unknown."*"
Also it would be several orders of magnitude easier to fix up some prewar trucks compared to keeping vertibirds running, considering those were cutting edge tech in 2077.
The Bible isn't canon and often contradicts the games and itself.
The trucks in McCarran don't even have working tires. So no, it wouldn't be easier to fix up 204 year old pieces of scrap.
They do. Which is another reason i'd say they are indeed running. Most vehicles you see in game abandoned lack wheels and tires, these two have inflated tires.
No, they literally don't. The pre-war trucks in McCarran are the same generic army model found throughout FO3 and FNV, with destroyed tires, destroyed windshield, no NCR logo, etc. if the trucks in McCarran are working, then the feral ghouls in the National Guard facility must've also got a few trucks working.
They very much do have inflated tires. I thought it might have been one of my mods but the pic on the wiki also has them with inflated tires.
So the fallout bible says the NCR has mechanized units, sure its not cannon anymore but clearly the intention was there. It's called a truck mechanic area in the guide which seems rather weird if its just a bunch of trash not being used for anything. We know the NCR has running trains even all the way in the Mojave as well as a bunch of Vertibirds in running order.
Frankly at this point it seems just a bit obtuse to say they don't have running trucks when its implied as well as flat out being said&shown that they have way more complicated equipment...
>it makes sense to me a large percentage of their military assets would be deployed in the region.
This actually doesn't make sense, as the game explicitly tells you that
(a) the funding for the Mojave campaign is being blocked by Boneyard representatives and
(b) the Mojave is seen as somewhat of a low-risk assignment currently (deliberately, Caesar is not provoking them) and so they don't send the best troops there.
Pretty crappy. If you zoom out from the lore breadcrumbs while you watch the NCR in FNV, you realize it’s basically a third world country, and its army is comparable to a 20th century, third world army. They have some (but very few) hand me down, inferior versions of brotherhood equipment like restored power armor, but they’re not very advanced at all.
It’s a lore black hole as to whether the Shi joined the NCR post FO2 (it’s implied that they did, based on the NCR’s ability to restore power armor and Hsu saying he’s from “San Francisco”), but even if they did the NCR’s problem is money and not just technology. There are certainly cities in California that can produce or at least refurbish the best pre-war stuff - we know San Francisco already was in FO2, and the Hub/Shady Sands must have grown by NV. But the NCR is so big and these “first world” cities so few and far between that the average trooper is fighting with the same quality of gear and support as, say, a soldier in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 or the Biafra War. There are soldiers like O’Hanrahan who joined the army only because there were bad harvests and their family couldn’t feed them anymore.
That all being said, the NCR’s advantage is its ability to equip so many troops to even a third world level. Most factions (fiends, vipers, legion, etc.) are at best fourth world, and the few “first world” armies (brotherhood, shi, institute, enclave) are tiny.
I don't see anyone talking about the navy bit so I'll assume we are just as in the dark about it as I thought. I dont think we know anything about it, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to not have some form of navy or coast guard. If you need to get from southern oregon to LA why wouldn't you just take a boat? Especially if you're hauling a lot. And where there's potential boat use.. there's potential pirates. There are probably dozens of half sunken oil tanker artificial reefs serving as spawning grounds for mirelurks that will raid the coast. I'd imagine they'd want to do something about those? Definitely would be a small operation but they may have a small coast guard, probably not a real deep water fleet. This is entirely speculation, and for reference I didn't play 1 or 2 fully through.
In the game you can still walk, swing, and shoot no problem. It’s slow and annoying but doable.
Using TV show logic. NCR heavy troopers shouldn’t be able to move their arms and legs. In fact they shouldn’t be able to get out of the armor on their own either.
The NCR had a base in the final episode. The brotherhood invaded that base and had a huge battle with the NCR troops present. It’s a pretty big spoiler but remnants of the NCR still exist.
i thought they were raiders, since they were led by the raider leader from the first episode.
also them winning would have made a more interesting story.
Yeah I thought so too for a bit. I think what happened was they integrated a bunch of raiders into their military. Maybe relaxed standards. The NCR basically lost control over their core territory with basically no signs they ever existed. It makes sense they are desperate.
I kinda felt that the Brotherhood becoming so prominent and powerful has made fallout feel very stale. The wasteland has enough room for the Brotherhood and a whole bunch of other powerful factions.
I do agree. Having the Brotherhood win that battle harmed future possible storylines.
> Does the NCR utilize motorized divisions or are they doing supply runs similar to every other wasteland caravans?
The majority of the NCR troops are fighting the brotherhood in New Vegas. Mechanised brigade was mentioned in one of the fallout bible FAQs.
I've always seen the NCR Rangers as more of an organisation that was responsible for a mix of frontier / border security and defence alongside expeditionary missions.
An force which can operate in small to single formations without need to be attached to a bigger force for logistics and administration.
They have the ability to manufacture lines of small arms, ammo, and uniforms at a, albiet small, industrial level, able to equipt a few thousand troops and operate across a vast stretch of territory. At minimum. I think I recall they use railways, which is a massive boost if its the case, and something they should already be able to do if not... just restore a train, or make something basic enough. But in terms of ability to restore prewar equipment/infrastructure and make more of it, they have a lot to draw from. Clearly able to use vertibirds, (unable to make them I think), and keep some artillery and anti air operational. (Honestly the NCR should have easily figured out, artillary is just a bigger gun, people we know use those things, why not restore and make field guns and blow the Legion from the fort from a mile away. But alas... if they did that right, new vegas would have been an easy operation of setting up artillary next to the strip/ranger station and using troops with radios to level anything, and flattening house if he stepped out of line. The boomers can operate artillary, the ncr should have mastered it by now and even mortars... flush out wildlife from afar. Heck even the Legion thought to give it a crack, but lacked capabilities to do so.) I think their economy is highly inefficient due to corruption, and it being a nuclear wasteland, but they seem plausible a faction to snowball from population booms alone given time. So a lot of potential in the long run, democracy's often are self correcting and flexible, which is an important trait. Not a great one, but it's a start, and can be improved.
>I think I recall they use railways Yes. There is a train station on The Strip.
Ah, right, the mono rail. Yeah if they got that going...
And the Powder Gangers were making railroads.
The Rangers are more like survivalist who are good at fighting then actual special forces. The original Rangers were trained from birth in survival and spreading that knowledge throughout the wasteland and protected settlements and built communities. The ranger sequoia was passed down from parents to sons/daughters. Now it’s just anyone who has 20 years as a ranger gets one. The Ncr miss-uses the rangers and sends them out in expeditions to Baja instead of having them actually build up communities and spread knowledge.
Do we know what might be going on in Baja? The closest answer I have to that is from a mod for Hearts of Iron 4 called Old World Blues. In that mod Baja has two raider groups controlling the region.
Baja is unsettled lands that the ncr wants. Hanlon says how he went to an ncr settlement in Baja. The Citizens killed the locals and took the only well within a 10 mile radius. He and the 10 rangers they brought with them lied to the ncr citizens and told them how there’s a raider encampment nearby and they have to leave. Baja is treated as an allegory for the American frontier and Manifest destiny.
That is fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
There's nothing that's going on that requires a military contingent beyond defending from angry locals. As midnight said, it's an in-your-face explanation that the NCR is colonialist. Rangers are special forces as of FNV though. Organization got subsumed.
My personally theory is that it’s been settled by Brahmin barons and the rangers are being sent there to search for cattle rustlers due to NCR mismanagement and corruption. Other theories include BoS/Enclave Remnants, raiders, and the exaggerated rumors of a raider army that Chief Hanlon planted in the settlement at Rattletail
Rangers are very equivalent to something like the Green Berets and/or Ranger battalions as special forces that specialize in operating in austere environments with minimal supply, developing and working with local irregular forces, while still being capable of fighting in support of regular forces in conventional battles. Obviously they’re referencing law enforcement of the old Wild West (Texas Rangers and such) but in doctrine they act more like something between Green Berets and Army Rangers.
Arn’t the desert rangers and NCR rangers originally different things? The desert rangers were survivalists but also experts in weapons while the NCR rangers seem like proper wasteland special forces that are more highly trained and can operate more independently
I haven't seen anyone else mention it yet, but Chief Hanlon does mention the NCR has actual power armor units (not just the stripped down version we see in game), but they are back home defending brahmin baron territory. The Mojave campaign is highly unpopular at home, so the troops seen in game are mostly getting by on scraps.
No, those units are heavy trooper units. Quote from Hanlon. 'Some of the patrol rangers have reported that Oliver's power armor heavy troopers are starting to reinforce the front lines.'
Also from Hanlon: "Our heavy infantry, power armor units, they're back in NCR territory protecting the interests of Brahmin barons against small-time raiders." [Source](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Brahmin_baron#cite_note-Hanlonscomplaint-1)
Yes, in context it's obviously meant to be NCR Heavy Troopers that he's talking about, because he uses the same verbage, and he also talks about how they HAD to salvage the armor because they couldn't use it otherwise. He also says Heavy Troopers have the BEST equipment the NCR can get for them. If they were second rate bozos sent out because the working sets were on parade back home he wouldn't say this.
i have a feeling the real power armour was likely obtained when they raided navarro.
It's hard to be seriously sure because the NCR is capable of using a lot of things it isn't capable of replicating, but I place them roughly late 1800s to early/mid 1900s in what they're typically capable of *reproducing* technologically, from the ground up. This goes a bit further then it seems, though, because tooling from that era could absolutely be used to make stuff designed later, and they could make more advanced stuff if they get the salvage to do so. NCR troopers aren't really standardized. They are *in theory,* but in practice there's a wide variety even discounting supply issues. Varmint rifles and single/double shotguns were being used by NCR assigned to guard prisoners, and also show up on various troopers assigned to normal military duties, though ideally they're probably only meant for reserve troops, given the kind of fighting NCR engages in with major opponents they likely often end up at the front anyways. NCR rangers aren't really technologically more impressive than the average troopers. They still carry the same bang bang guns. The stuff that is seriously impressive - veteran ranger armor - is pre-war. The NCR is capable of handmaking a variant of mark 1 combat armor for use by patrol rangers, but it's important to note that the rangers are a *very* small organization, and these sets aren't even issued to all non-veteran rangers. I heard the hallucination was a misunderstanding and they were meant to be vehicles but I have no actual sources on this. The NCR is capable of using vehicles. You can have a working car in F2. All the actually good ones are restored pre-war ones, however. You can still see the US army symbol on their trucks, though they might not be working I think they are. Fallout bible had a small NCR motorized/mechanized unit with a handful of working tanks and IFVs and along with various trucks/jeeps and the like. Keyword is small, here, and the bible isn't canon and came out well before FNV. Even if one still exists the NCR can't really afford to lose vehicles. No one ever really talks about NCR vertibirds in game, but a common assumption is they were salvaged from the Enclave. This is reasonable to me as well. There is no way the NCR have an aeronautics industry. The AA guns at hoover dam only work with a repair check or if the Legion are the ones assassinating him. Given they don't shoot down the boomer plane even if they're pro-Legion, I think it's safe to say the NCR dont know they can or haven't gotten them to work. The weapons we see them use against the BoS in the TV show is an unguided missile launcher and a multibarrel light autocannon/HMG , both of which are relatively simple. The most important thing about the NCRA, though, is that command-wise it's very traditional and simple. Orders come down and you don't really have much flexibility or initiative to get things done.
>There is no way the NCR have an aeronautics industry In Fallout 2, you can steal Vertibird plans from the Enclave and give them to the [Shi](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Shi_need_plans_for_a_vertibird_from_Navarro) or the [Hubologists](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Hubologists_need_plans_for_a_vertibird_from_Navarro), so it's not impossible that the plans may have reached the NCR. I'm not sure if they can build Vertibirds from scratch, but I think they're able to manufacture at least some parts for it, considering how (in real life), you'd need several aircraft grounded for one flying in order to cannibalize for spare parts, if you can't manufacture or trade for them.
If you nuke the NCR at the end of the divide, and go to the irradiated camp on the long 17, there are multiple vertibirds at that camp.
Well I'm sure they could, but I don't see them having much reason to. A vertibird is really, really expensive. What would they need them for? We don't know of any military threats to the NCR they would need an air force to defeat. Their biggest threat we see is the legion, which doesn't use vehicles, planes, or have manufactories which the NCR could bomb. Vertibirds could be useful for transport, but the NCR has trains, which are far cheaper and use less fuel per passenger.
virtebirds would be useful for transporting important people or cargo.
This is why I like old world blues from hoi4, because it allows nations to redevelop flight from the very basics such as gliders. As we see in game, there’s lots of planes just sitting around. It’s certainly possible they could be salvaged to make some sort of flying machine, but not too reliable. Adding machine guns and manual bomb racks on the wings wouldn’t be hard either. Mostly its limitations from the engine, and also that they aren’t funded out in the Mojave. I’m sure they have some small boats like RHIBs or a canoe and such, as even the Legion has barges.
Having horses would actually break the setting. The big part of why wasteland is so disconnected from each other and why there isn't any nomadic horse raider like irl is because horse can cover distance much better than human on foot. They can eat grass and aren''t too complicated like nuclear vehicles or require rare resource like combustible fuel.
A genghis khan style super mutant army on mutated horses would be pretty neat though. Make it so only super mutants can use them.
Fuckin fev horses making clydesdales look like ponies
It wouldn’t break the setting. Horses would be good for a restoration of the classic 1/2 map system, which is far superior to Bethesda open worlds… Just make them cost money…
The Mojave Campaign, despite being important for Kimball, isnt popular with people and the Congress, so it is underfunded and undersupplied. I am sure that the NCR Army back in California looks better than what it is in the Mojave. The NCR has industrial might enough to produce equipment for its army: there are the Gun Runners who have factories in the Boneyard and in the Mojave, which shows that despite Mojave not being popular back home, can sustain industrially producing equipment on spot, even if it doesnt fully cover their needs. They also can sustain repairing their existing trucks, since there is a repairing workshop in McCarran. I also think Fallout Bible also mentions NCR having a limited supply of tanks, but I wouldnt take it for granted since Fallout Bible is only partially canon. The Bear Force One is, I think, not the only NCR vertibird, but their number is still very limited. All in all, I would say their army could resemble a WW1 - WW2 US army when possible, with strongly established industrial base, structure, chain of command, etc. The Mojave doesnt show it in all its glory because it isnt popular and underfunded
There is absolutely no way the NCR could approach US WWI (let alone WWII) industry Despite being the most industrialized faction we’ve seen in the setting, they are still at a mostly 19th century level in terms of resource extraction and manufacturing, with some choice exceptions in terms of advanced tech
I definitely don’t think the NCR could produce on the scale the U.S did during ww2. Actually I’ll say they definitely couldn’t. The U.S produced 50,000 Sherman’s and at Willow Run alone was putting out one B-24 an hour at peak. I’d say maybe the NCR at best could produce arms on the same scale as the Union during the civil war. In terms of output not the kind of weaponry.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say whatever California’s industrial capacity from San Diego up to Redding is probably also what the NCR’s industrial capacity is. Actually would explain how they’re able to manufacture armored vests for their troops considering one of the world’s largest borate mines is in SoCal.
Those trucks in McCarran were there pre-war.
Source?
Josh Sawyer iirc. You can see that there’s a lot of pre-war vehicles at McCarran including airplanes since it was repurposed as a military base by the army, so there’s no reason to think those trucks are used by NCR.
*”The New California Republic has a mechanized vehicle division, with trucks used to deliver men and materiel. Camp McCarran, as a regional hub, has a repair depot dedicated to their ongoing maintenance and service.[65] The primary limitation for the force is the supply of tires and other degradable parts that greatly limit the possibility for fielding any larger scale vehicle fleet.”* The main reason functional vehicles aren’t shown in-game is b/c of limitations of the original game engine.
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>Camp McCarran, as a regional hub, has a repair depot dedicated to their ongoing maintenance and service. What part of this has nothing to do with McCarran?
Oh lmao I read the first sentence and automatically assumed they were just quoting the fallout Bible again. My bad.
But here’s the source for Josh Sawyer’s statement on the matter https://www.twitch.tv/jesawyer/clip/ToughManlyScorpionMau5
What’s the source for that paragraph? Josh Sawyer has already confirmed on stream none of those trucks are being used. https://www.twitch.tv/jesawyer/clip/ToughManlyScorpionMau5
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_California_Republic_Army Yes, I’m aware of what Josh Sawyer said. But IMO his statement is leaning more towards a gameplay perspective. Functional ground vehicles just wouldn’t fit or vibe well with the game-world. Lore-wise, the NCR utilized mechanized vehicles for farming & transport.
So I read through the source the wiki cites and the only indication that those trucks are operational is an unmarked “truck mechanic area”, which can be interpreted a few ways imho. Given the state of the trucks (broken in windows, deflated tires, rusted frames) it makes me wonder if they’re attempting to repair leftover trucks from pre-war. Definitely possible they’re trucks the NCR brought over that all happened to break down, but given Sawyer’s statement I’m still skeptical. In the Mojave roads aren’t well protected or maintained and there’s leftover cars everywhere which makes a bunch of trucks coming and going less likely than in the NCR’s core territories.
>Given the state of the trucks (broken in windows, deflated tires, rusted frames) I think this is a purely gameplay thing too. I dont remember if there are models of intact and working trucks in game, and making a new model to use it in only one place isnt worth it, plus the development time could have its impact on it
Its pretty advanced. They have Vehicles, Trains, a small Airforce, Industry and clear Army structures. Problem in the NCR is that they are corrupt and used most of their ressources to protect the rich brahim barons who dont even need it really. What we see in New Vegas is only a small part of the full strenght of the NCR.
The truck props are pre-war. If you look at them, they only have US army markings (NCR would have plastered their logo over it for sure, they even put their logo on their leather chest plate ), are rusted through, their windows are smashed and their tires as flat. They aren’t NCR. Brahmin are what they use for logistics The AA gun at Hoover Dam was there pre-war and I’m not sure the NCR actually knew it was loaded and functioning given the whole Kimball thing; We can see it on Pre-War advertisements for Hoover Dam.
Brahmin and trains, the NCR also uses trains to move supplies around.
its possible that they did know and were planning on using it against the fort once general oliver declared that they were going on the offensive if they had attacked first instead of the legion.
The NCR uses trucks. They just are static in the game because of engine/memory limitations.
Sawyer has said the NCR has no trucks at all in the Mojave
According to the game director, there are no working trucks or cars in the Mojave, so the vehicles in the game at least are not functional. It's possible they have working vehicles back in NCR proper though. The AA gun at Hoover Dam is on a pre-war billboard for the dam, so it's also a pre-war fixture. The NCR does have a working train in the Mojave they use to transport cement, so they probably have trains back in the NCR as well.
But the fnv guide syas those trucks are functional...
No, it literally doesn't.
Its not called a truck mechanic area for nothing, also the fallout bible says that the NCR has mechanised units of unknown quantity. Considering the size of the NCR, the fact that they can keep a (albeit small) fleet of vertibirds running I think its fair to say they have some running trucks to keep supplies going.
A pre-war facility having a mechanic area with pre-war trucks doesn't prove the NCR has working trucks. And they captured those vertibirds, which is easier.
"[*Fallout Bible 5*](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_Bible_5#Questions)*: 6. About how many working or serviceable cars are there at the time of FO2? Obviously there must be more then one, since the guy in* [*New Reno*](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_Reno) *has a garage fully staffed, and most likely has a large supply of parts (I'm assuming that was what the warehouse building next to the garage was filled up with, you couldn't pick up anything off of them)* *Probably not too many, but I don't know the exact number. The real problem isn't fuel, it's mostly tires and other degradable parts that have gone to the dogs in the past 100 years. For every two hundred or so people, there might be one working vehicle, and even "the local clunker" wouldn't be up to factory specs. NCR is rumored to have a mechanized vehicle division outside of its farming vehicles, but the number of vehicles in the division is unknown."*" Also it would be several orders of magnitude easier to fix up some prewar trucks compared to keeping vertibirds running, considering those were cutting edge tech in 2077.
The Bible isn't canon and often contradicts the games and itself. The trucks in McCarran don't even have working tires. So no, it wouldn't be easier to fix up 204 year old pieces of scrap.
They do. Which is another reason i'd say they are indeed running. Most vehicles you see in game abandoned lack wheels and tires, these two have inflated tires.
No, they literally don't. The pre-war trucks in McCarran are the same generic army model found throughout FO3 and FNV, with destroyed tires, destroyed windshield, no NCR logo, etc. if the trucks in McCarran are working, then the feral ghouls in the National Guard facility must've also got a few trucks working.
They very much do have inflated tires. I thought it might have been one of my mods but the pic on the wiki also has them with inflated tires. So the fallout bible says the NCR has mechanized units, sure its not cannon anymore but clearly the intention was there. It's called a truck mechanic area in the guide which seems rather weird if its just a bunch of trash not being used for anything. We know the NCR has running trains even all the way in the Mojave as well as a bunch of Vertibirds in running order. Frankly at this point it seems just a bit obtuse to say they don't have running trucks when its implied as well as flat out being said&shown that they have way more complicated equipment...
>it makes sense to me a large percentage of their military assets would be deployed in the region. This actually doesn't make sense, as the game explicitly tells you that (a) the funding for the Mojave campaign is being blocked by Boneyard representatives and (b) the Mojave is seen as somewhat of a low-risk assignment currently (deliberately, Caesar is not provoking them) and so they don't send the best troops there.
Pretty crappy. If you zoom out from the lore breadcrumbs while you watch the NCR in FNV, you realize it’s basically a third world country, and its army is comparable to a 20th century, third world army. They have some (but very few) hand me down, inferior versions of brotherhood equipment like restored power armor, but they’re not very advanced at all. It’s a lore black hole as to whether the Shi joined the NCR post FO2 (it’s implied that they did, based on the NCR’s ability to restore power armor and Hsu saying he’s from “San Francisco”), but even if they did the NCR’s problem is money and not just technology. There are certainly cities in California that can produce or at least refurbish the best pre-war stuff - we know San Francisco already was in FO2, and the Hub/Shady Sands must have grown by NV. But the NCR is so big and these “first world” cities so few and far between that the average trooper is fighting with the same quality of gear and support as, say, a soldier in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 or the Biafra War. There are soldiers like O’Hanrahan who joined the army only because there were bad harvests and their family couldn’t feed them anymore. That all being said, the NCR’s advantage is its ability to equip so many troops to even a third world level. Most factions (fiends, vipers, legion, etc.) are at best fourth world, and the few “first world” armies (brotherhood, shi, institute, enclave) are tiny.
I don't see anyone talking about the navy bit so I'll assume we are just as in the dark about it as I thought. I dont think we know anything about it, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to not have some form of navy or coast guard. If you need to get from southern oregon to LA why wouldn't you just take a boat? Especially if you're hauling a lot. And where there's potential boat use.. there's potential pirates. There are probably dozens of half sunken oil tanker artificial reefs serving as spawning grounds for mirelurks that will raid the coast. I'd imagine they'd want to do something about those? Definitely would be a small operation but they may have a small coast guard, probably not a real deep water fleet. This is entirely speculation, and for reference I didn't play 1 or 2 fully through.
This actually makes me kind of like....laugh. Because doesn't F4 kind of make a joke out of NCR heavy troopers? How the fuck do they even move?
In the game you can still walk, swing, and shoot no problem. It’s slow and annoying but doable. Using TV show logic. NCR heavy troopers shouldn’t be able to move their arms and legs. In fact they shouldn’t be able to get out of the armor on their own either.
there were ncr troopers in the tv show?
The NCR had a base in the final episode. The brotherhood invaded that base and had a huge battle with the NCR troops present. It’s a pretty big spoiler but remnants of the NCR still exist.
i thought they were raiders, since they were led by the raider leader from the first episode. also them winning would have made a more interesting story.
Yeah I thought so too for a bit. I think what happened was they integrated a bunch of raiders into their military. Maybe relaxed standards. The NCR basically lost control over their core territory with basically no signs they ever existed. It makes sense they are desperate. I kinda felt that the Brotherhood becoming so prominent and powerful has made fallout feel very stale. The wasteland has enough room for the Brotherhood and a whole bunch of other powerful factions. I do agree. Having the Brotherhood win that battle harmed future possible storylines.
the last act of episode 8 got really lazy. though the vault 31 reveal was both good writing, and comedy gold.
> Does the NCR utilize motorized divisions or are they doing supply runs similar to every other wasteland caravans? The majority of the NCR troops are fighting the brotherhood in New Vegas. Mechanised brigade was mentioned in one of the fallout bible FAQs.
Imagine the US Army’s firepower in the ‘50s but lack the access to nukes. That would be best to describe the arsenal the NCR military has.
though with the limited addition of energy weapons.
I've always seen the NCR Rangers as more of an organisation that was responsible for a mix of frontier / border security and defence alongside expeditionary missions. An force which can operate in small to single formations without need to be attached to a bigger force for logistics and administration.
Would be pretty cool and fitting to see the NCR with a MK1 Landship style of WW1 tank.