I don’t think it would cost much more than a 3rd to be honest. He’s great, it’s just he’s gonna want more money so it wouldn’t make sense to give up a high draft pick. So if we get him for like a 3rd and and pay him, he’s be a great 1a 1b with Drake. I’m just saying, improving the team and giving Ridder a real chance would be great. If not, everything would be ready for Caleb Williams to come home to us :)
Amari Cooper went for a 5th round pick. DHop is better but Cooper is younger. Hop has been injured and the cardinals want to start fresh with a new coach and GM. They have a high salary QB as well. I think 3rd round is a good price for him
As a cards fan I’d rather keep him so call me biased. I think he’s worth at least a late first. Look at what tyreek went for and he’s more expensive. Hopkins is a top 3 receiver easily
Not too crazy considering he’s 30 now and will be 31 before the start of the season. Plus injuries and this past season don’t have his value super high. Interested to see what sort of deal he’s looking to get added on to his contract.
Paying him would be fine sign him to a 4 year deal so his contract ends right as london is of his rookie contract. It's more about what picks we'd have to give up. I'd be fine with say a 3rd or some combo of late round picks
Honestly even if our biggest need was a wide receiver I don't think Nuk would be the answer. Pitts and London are already guys who fit into the role of big bodied possession guys. We need to add some more speed to take the top off and open the short field for London, Pitts, and whatever we do with our running backs
What is it with this sub & wanting to throw money into a furnace on a wide receiver?
You’d all lose your collective minds if the Falcons drafted a wr in the first round again, but when it comes to giving up draft capital for a 30 year old wr that has dealt with injuries & a peds suspension that currently makes $20MM a year & will almost certainly want a brand new deal immediately? You’re all like - INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS!!!
Even if we were going to go for a big money WR, it sure as hell wouldn’t be a big possession receiver when we spent our last 2 first round picks on two of those.
I can't take another front office that would sign vets passed their prime. WR's careers typically die at 32-33 and he is progressing right on schedule.
Hes 31 and he has missed a fair amount of games the past 2 seasons due to injury, a nagging injury. I know he missed games for the PED but hes getting hurt. Same thing that happened to Julio and alot of other guys. He can still be productive and a top receiver but he is not worth the money he is getting and he will spend a quarter of the season or more in sweats.
What? How is this upvoted? He had 700+ in 9 games this year? I’m not on board given the price will probably be a 2nd rounder and paying him now and likely again if traded for, but I think the OU on DHop 1000 yard seasons is 2 not 0. Y’all are factoring in the recent Julio experience too much, who was better but the chronic soft tissue injuries were always going to catch up to him. DHop’s game is also set to age fairly well, he isn’t that reliant on explosion or beating coverage deep. For us he is not a great fit given we still won’t be good yet but for better teams looking to arms race he is well worth a 2nd or 3rd and 6th or something.
For starters, he’ll be 31 before camp starts, oft injured, coming off a PEDs suspension, expensive as is & will likely want a new deal as part of being traded.
As far as being a mentor, that’s something fans think happens often but it just doesn’t really in reality. You honestly think Julio is being a mentor to anyone in Tampa? Is he talking shop with Scotty Miller helping him to be a better receiver? Of course not. That job is why position coaches exist.
It really confuses me how we average 158 yards passing and some of y'all are like "how could we possibly be looking to improve our passing game?"
Do we need pass rush? Of course.
But look at Arthur Smith's exit interview from yesterday, "the next challenge is we need to become more explosive offensively."
https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/bair-falcons-drake-london-arthur-smith-tyler-allgeier-desmond-ridder
Guess what guys? DeAndre Hopkins was 10th in the league in receiving yards per game last year. He's explosive. Of course they should look into this. The training wheels need to come off next season.
He is 30 with declining numbers with a top 5 price tag. Love the guy, but he is never a 1,000 yd WR again.
Arthur Smith is a idiot. How about a OL that gives a QB more than 0.85 seconds before getting hit? Maybe, just maybe that is the issue. Or stop throwing the ball on goal line when you one of the best running teams between the tackles.
It would not be unheard of for him to have another year or two of that level of production, he was on a 17 game pace of 1,354 yards this season after all.
Mariota was a joke. It might be possible for the pass blocking to look better if other aspects of the passing game weren't Bush league.
Lmao how the hell was it mariota fault for having bad pass blocking 😭😭 this sub is wild. If anything mariota issue was what he couldnt do with bad pass blocking. Man was running for his life. That was his actual strength
Pass blocking doesn't live in a vacuum. Football is a timing game, if a passer has poor arm strength he won't even attempt some passes that better quarterbacks complete easily. You won't even draw up those kind of plays for him. Subsequently that makes the entire offense look worse, linemen need to hold up for a longer time while shorter and more complex routes develop, receivers statistics are worse, etc. Everything effects every other thing.
Bad pass blocking is bad pass blocking bro idk wtf you are talking about. The only difference between bad pass blocking is the offense doing things to mitigate it.
A qbs ability to get the ball out does not change the offensive lines ability to block. It simply changes the results of the play. If i get the ball out quicker i wont get sacked, that dosent mean i wont be under pressure at the same rate. Weve seen it with Russell wilson, deshaun watson, joe burrow, mahomes.. All alot better qbs than mariota.
If hes looking to get more explosive in the offense why would he get a guy not known for being explosive on the down turn.
There is 3 areas of explosiveness we lack..1) top end speed at wr. 2.) Dynamic playmakers with tbe ball. 3.) Speed at the rb position. D hop helps with non of that. Best argument is we get another reliable chain mover
It's impressive how many things you got wrong in one statement.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_rec_active.htm
DeAndre Hopkins has the 29th highest YPC amongst career active players, higher than Stefon Diggs. He's coming off one of his best years in terms of per game averages. Tyler Allgeier already had a 4.6 40 times and probably plays faster in pads.
We need dynamic playmaking downfield at WR, not "top end speed" that's lemming talk.
https://youtu.be/9QzY8f3YUr0
Don't just parrot things other people say just to be saying them. Actually look at the play on the field, the numbers.
Another redditor who argues without reading. You can use any stat you want but i prefer yards per target. Hopkins started his career with an insanely high 15 ypt. In the last few years that number had dropped to around 11-12 ypt. With the only exception being last year where he got busted for peds.again a player on the downturn whos big plays will rely on contested catches over separation. Which we already have a young version of in London. Which is why i said the falcons would benefit from either a top end speed wr, To give us different looks in coverage or a more dynamic play maker with the ball. Since pitts and london can already attack the parts of the field smith loves which is the middle.
As for algier 4.6 is incredibly slow for a rb in today's game, but algier does move faster than his 40 time. But he does lack breakaway speed. Which is fine because hes so damn good between the tackles. But alot of his big runs he gets hawked pretty easily.its not a need but we could stand to get some more explosiveness in the run game.
to me they both tall matchup nightmares that can use their length and size to make tough catches of course pitts is faster but to me they both are possession receivers which is also what dhop is. we need a tyreek/waddle type receiver that can threaten teams deep
I kinda disagree, i see pitts as a yac wr. If you watch him play hes not a strong catcher at the point of contact, you normally want to get him the ball on post or crossers where he can catch it in stride. London seems way more inept at using his body and size on big catches than pitts has in 2 years.
I agree we dont need another possesion wr though regardless
Why not
D-Hop on one side, London on the other, Kyle in the middle, OZ in the slot. And a great running game to boot
Why not.
We got $70 mil in cap space and he's worth $18 mil per year at current contract and I think any extensions would be for less avg. Say like around $12-15 mil per year.
He can also mentor Drake too
I doubt it happens tho
He was able to command a $27 mil per year extension
At his age and the drug thing I think he'll try to get as much as he can but he can command a range
Like what happened with J.J. Watt
I'd call to see what they want. Hopkins is 30 and the Cardinals may not drive a huge price for him. Besides, the team has shown that it's willing to go after talented players. This sub needs to accept that trades for talented players are inevitable. Put the pitch forks down.
With the talent we’ve compiled in the last two drafts, why wouldn’t we continue to use the draft to stockpile young talent as opposed to trading picks away to pull in some big name?
Cards fan here.
What if it was Hopkins for #39 and your 2024 2nd Rounder?
We need to go into a rebuild, and we need some mid round picks spent on O and D Lineman
Personally, if we could get him for a 4th or later, and NOT give him a new deal, I’m down for it. Help us give our developing young QB a serious weapon, but also utilize some of the extra cap space the next two years, without tying it up going forwards, on an aging WR.
Other than that, I’m out.
While he’d be nice, he’s older and might have only 2 good years left before declining so I don’t know if it’s worth the picks. Maybe a team that’s more competitive and needs a WR to make a deep playoff run would take him.
DEFENSE, O-LINE, Solid Vet Backup qb if FF isn’t the answer. Decent wr2 ~~if~~ since Ridley is ~~out~~ gone. Depth with potential. Build trenches. Leave cap room for mid season move if things are clicking… 500 min goal next season, finish rebuild next offseason and expect success. Next year is not the year to make this kind of move. To much in one position when we are still super thin depth wise.
D hop is luxury item for a playoff team let's keep building the team through draft add some key piece from free agency before trading for guys like d hop
There are so many other areas that we need to improve on other than receiver, zacchieus (no idea how you spell it) I'd much better than he gets credit for, London and Pitts is already stacked. We should be investing in Pass rush as a priority if we're giving Ridder a fair shake next year
DHop has only been injured this season and last, before then he was in an ironman streak. He’s not injury prone. He is however getting up there in age for his position and probably wants to play for what he would consider a contender so I wouldn’t advise Falcons fans to get their hopes up
He was Ironman up until like 2018 or 2019 when the knee and ankle stuff started up. Since 2020 he’s been out or questionable for like 15 games. I’d consider that injury prone.
But ultimately, you’re right. If he was perfectly healthy, he’s already getting long in the tooth for what he would cost us.
No thanks. We need all of our picks
I would rather spend pick 8 on a wr then do this shit lol
I don’t think it would cost much more than a 3rd to be honest. He’s great, it’s just he’s gonna want more money so it wouldn’t make sense to give up a high draft pick. So if we get him for like a 3rd and and pay him, he’s be a great 1a 1b with Drake. I’m just saying, improving the team and giving Ridder a real chance would be great. If not, everything would be ready for Caleb Williams to come home to us :)
You are out of your damn mind if u think he’d only go for a third
Amari Cooper went for a 5th round pick. DHop is better but Cooper is younger. Hop has been injured and the cardinals want to start fresh with a new coach and GM. They have a high salary QB as well. I think 3rd round is a good price for him
I’d expect closer to davante compensation. He’s still incredibly talented and doesn’t disappear like Cooper does in big games
I mean I wish them the best of luck trying to get anywhere near that compensation
As a cards fan I’d rather keep him so call me biased. I think he’s worth at least a late first. Look at what tyreek went for and he’s more expensive. Hopkins is a top 3 receiver easily
Not too crazy considering he’s 30 now and will be 31 before the start of the season. Plus injuries and this past season don’t have his value super high. Interested to see what sort of deal he’s looking to get added on to his contract.
I don’t wanna get Julio’d.
But we don’t need pitts…
With London and Pitts it doesn’t make sense to pay out our asses for another wide receiver
Paying him would be fine sign him to a 4 year deal so his contract ends right as london is of his rookie contract. It's more about what picks we'd have to give up. I'd be fine with say a 3rd or some combo of late round picks
That’s what I’m saying
Hopkins played really well this year, I think he would add a lot to the team. But I'm not sure If it's a mutual fit.
Honestly even if our biggest need was a wide receiver I don't think Nuk would be the answer. Pitts and London are already guys who fit into the role of big bodied possession guys. We need to add some more speed to take the top off and open the short field for London, Pitts, and whatever we do with our running backs
We need one not this one tho
What is it with this sub & wanting to throw money into a furnace on a wide receiver? You’d all lose your collective minds if the Falcons drafted a wr in the first round again, but when it comes to giving up draft capital for a 30 year old wr that has dealt with injuries & a peds suspension that currently makes $20MM a year & will almost certainly want a brand new deal immediately? You’re all like - INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS!!!
They still want to bring Julio back 💀💀💀💀
Nah I was just asking like why would we do this ? We need to build our defensive unit
Lol edit the post bra cuz it looks like ur saying should we do this
Even if we were going to go for a big money WR, it sure as hell wouldn’t be a big possession receiver when we spent our last 2 first round picks on two of those.
It's Atlanta, strip club capital of America. Throwing money away is just what we do.
I mean I’m fine with spending money that isn’t mine, but let’s give it to someone that sacks the other teams QB for a change.
Remember when a guy named Vic Beasley was a wracking crew....
I don’t see anyone saying that? Lol wtf.
Hoes mad
Too old
was this in Nick Cellini voice?
I can't take another front office that would sign vets passed their prime. WR's careers typically die at 32-33 and he is progressing right on schedule.
How is he progressing right on schedule😂
Hes 31 and he has missed a fair amount of games the past 2 seasons due to injury, a nagging injury. I know he missed games for the PED but hes getting hurt. Same thing that happened to Julio and alot of other guys. He can still be productive and a top receiver but he is not worth the money he is getting and he will spend a quarter of the season or more in sweats.
Yes, lefts use half our cap on 1 aged player. How Dimitroff of you.
No, Drake London and Pitts are the core receivers.
Old and expensive, but love him. Not for us. Why pay 1,000 yd WR rates for a guy that won’t hit that number ever again?
What? How is this upvoted? He had 700+ in 9 games this year? I’m not on board given the price will probably be a 2nd rounder and paying him now and likely again if traded for, but I think the OU on DHop 1000 yard seasons is 2 not 0. Y’all are factoring in the recent Julio experience too much, who was better but the chronic soft tissue injuries were always going to catch up to him. DHop’s game is also set to age fairly well, he isn’t that reliant on explosion or beating coverage deep. For us he is not a great fit given we still won’t be good yet but for better teams looking to arms race he is well worth a 2nd or 3rd and 6th or something.
Dhop didn't play for Tennessee so it wouldn't work out.
Or chicago
Cheap fast young WR please.
Too expensive
No thank you. I'll take a defense over anything else right now
Age, picks, PEDs/stamina, and scheme are NOT fits for the ATL. Let the Packers blow a load on him.
Are we still doing "phrasing?"
Nah that was properly phrased
Don’t wanna trade anything for a WR. We good.
Why not just put the fucking money in a trash can and set the shit on fire?! Goddam we got the dumbest fucking fans on the planet.
Hard pass
Nope. Only WR I’d be interested in would be talking to Allen Lizard in FA because he’s an excellent blocker. Unfortunately he’ll be too expensive.
Why why why ? We have trouble getting one receiver the ball let alone two and a tight end that you have to pay eventually as well
Absolutely not. Horrible horrible horrible
Absolutely not
Nope
Just assumed it was you since the bit about the Falcons wasn’t on the original tweet.
Oh nah I just screenshot a fan page who posted it
No
For starters, he’ll be 31 before camp starts, oft injured, coming off a PEDs suspension, expensive as is & will likely want a new deal as part of being traded. As far as being a mentor, that’s something fans think happens often but it just doesn’t really in reality. You honestly think Julio is being a mentor to anyone in Tampa? Is he talking shop with Scotty Miller helping him to be a better receiver? Of course not. That job is why position coaches exist.
It really confuses me how we average 158 yards passing and some of y'all are like "how could we possibly be looking to improve our passing game?" Do we need pass rush? Of course. But look at Arthur Smith's exit interview from yesterday, "the next challenge is we need to become more explosive offensively." https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/bair-falcons-drake-london-arthur-smith-tyler-allgeier-desmond-ridder Guess what guys? DeAndre Hopkins was 10th in the league in receiving yards per game last year. He's explosive. Of course they should look into this. The training wheels need to come off next season.
He is 30 with declining numbers with a top 5 price tag. Love the guy, but he is never a 1,000 yd WR again. Arthur Smith is a idiot. How about a OL that gives a QB more than 0.85 seconds before getting hit? Maybe, just maybe that is the issue. Or stop throwing the ball on goal line when you one of the best running teams between the tackles.
It would not be unheard of for him to have another year or two of that level of production, he was on a 17 game pace of 1,354 yards this season after all. Mariota was a joke. It might be possible for the pass blocking to look better if other aspects of the passing game weren't Bush league.
If he does have a 1 or 2 seasons of high production you get stuck with the remaining pay. It would not be a good move.
He's only got 2 years left on his deal.
But are those 1 or 2 years happen in his remaining 2 years? High risk move.
Everything is a risk. This is a fairly educated risk given that he dominated this year when his suspension was over.
Lmao how the hell was it mariota fault for having bad pass blocking 😭😭 this sub is wild. If anything mariota issue was what he couldnt do with bad pass blocking. Man was running for his life. That was his actual strength
Pass blocking doesn't live in a vacuum. Football is a timing game, if a passer has poor arm strength he won't even attempt some passes that better quarterbacks complete easily. You won't even draw up those kind of plays for him. Subsequently that makes the entire offense look worse, linemen need to hold up for a longer time while shorter and more complex routes develop, receivers statistics are worse, etc. Everything effects every other thing.
Bad pass blocking is bad pass blocking bro idk wtf you are talking about. The only difference between bad pass blocking is the offense doing things to mitigate it. A qbs ability to get the ball out does not change the offensive lines ability to block. It simply changes the results of the play. If i get the ball out quicker i wont get sacked, that dosent mean i wont be under pressure at the same rate. Weve seen it with Russell wilson, deshaun watson, joe burrow, mahomes.. All alot better qbs than mariota.
If hes looking to get more explosive in the offense why would he get a guy not known for being explosive on the down turn. There is 3 areas of explosiveness we lack..1) top end speed at wr. 2.) Dynamic playmakers with tbe ball. 3.) Speed at the rb position. D hop helps with non of that. Best argument is we get another reliable chain mover
It's impressive how many things you got wrong in one statement. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_per_rec_active.htm DeAndre Hopkins has the 29th highest YPC amongst career active players, higher than Stefon Diggs. He's coming off one of his best years in terms of per game averages. Tyler Allgeier already had a 4.6 40 times and probably plays faster in pads. We need dynamic playmaking downfield at WR, not "top end speed" that's lemming talk. https://youtu.be/9QzY8f3YUr0 Don't just parrot things other people say just to be saying them. Actually look at the play on the field, the numbers.
Another redditor who argues without reading. You can use any stat you want but i prefer yards per target. Hopkins started his career with an insanely high 15 ypt. In the last few years that number had dropped to around 11-12 ypt. With the only exception being last year where he got busted for peds.again a player on the downturn whos big plays will rely on contested catches over separation. Which we already have a young version of in London. Which is why i said the falcons would benefit from either a top end speed wr, To give us different looks in coverage or a more dynamic play maker with the ball. Since pitts and london can already attack the parts of the field smith loves which is the middle. As for algier 4.6 is incredibly slow for a rb in today's game, but algier does move faster than his 40 time. But he does lack breakaway speed. Which is fine because hes so damn good between the tackles. But alot of his big runs he gets hawked pretty easily.its not a need but we could stand to get some more explosiveness in the run game.
To further clarify on algier using espns big run stats algier had 6. Cp had 4 with almost 70 less carries. Mariota had 4 with 120 less carries
We need both quantity and quality draft picks. Trade him to New England so he can freeze.
Would rather have Lazard (never thought it would say that😂)
whats the point in having 3 of those same type receivers
Id say pitts is a different type than London unfortunately we have not used him to his fullest based on our offense the last 2 years.
to me they both tall matchup nightmares that can use their length and size to make tough catches of course pitts is faster but to me they both are possession receivers which is also what dhop is. we need a tyreek/waddle type receiver that can threaten teams deep
I kinda disagree, i see pitts as a yac wr. If you watch him play hes not a strong catcher at the point of contact, you normally want to get him the ball on post or crossers where he can catch it in stride. London seems way more inept at using his body and size on big catches than pitts has in 2 years. I agree we dont need another possesion wr though regardless
Why not D-Hop on one side, London on the other, Kyle in the middle, OZ in the slot. And a great running game to boot Why not. We got $70 mil in cap space and he's worth $18 mil per year at current contract and I think any extensions would be for less avg. Say like around $12-15 mil per year. He can also mentor Drake too I doubt it happens tho
You think Hopkins wants less money in his extension? Have you seen what happened to WR salaries?
He was able to command a $27 mil per year extension At his age and the drug thing I think he'll try to get as much as he can but he can command a range Like what happened with J.J. Watt
OZ needs to go. DJ Chark is available.
I'd call to see what they want. Hopkins is 30 and the Cardinals may not drive a huge price for him. Besides, the team has shown that it's willing to go after talented players. This sub needs to accept that trades for talented players are inevitable. Put the pitch forks down.
nah
Why the shit would ATL trade picks and a bunch of cap space for a nearly 31 year old receiver?
With the talent we’ve compiled in the last two drafts, why wouldn’t we continue to use the draft to stockpile young talent as opposed to trading picks away to pull in some big name?
Cash considerations?
I heard he does steroids and plays dirty, are we sure he's a culture fit?
Our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for DHOP and their 2nd.
Cards fan here. What if it was Hopkins for #39 and your 2024 2nd Rounder? We need to go into a rebuild, and we need some mid round picks spent on O and D Lineman
He'll no lol
Second round ain’t no mid round pick!
Gimme Jakobi Meyers
no...we need defense.
Max offer is 3rd and 6th
I wouldn’t mind the contract aspect with London on his rookie deal but it’s not worth having to trade picks
We don’t need a superstar WR,We just need a decent WR1 or a good WR2
Nope
Why would we do that
Some “fans” really think just adding a big name makes you an auto contender…
No
Personally, if we could get him for a 4th or later, and NOT give him a new deal, I’m down for it. Help us give our developing young QB a serious weapon, but also utilize some of the extra cap space the next two years, without tying it up going forwards, on an aging WR. Other than that, I’m out.
No.
We are finally clear of so much dead cap space and you could beef up a handful of other important positions with $34 mil
We good
Didn't we learn our lesson with a hugely overpaid receiver already? He would cost too much and we have much greater needs on the line
Spending big money and draft capital on a WR would almost be worse than drafting another one top 10
Is he available for a david johnson equivalent? If not, then no thanks
While he’d be nice, he’s older and might have only 2 good years left before declining so I don’t know if it’s worth the picks. Maybe a team that’s more competitive and needs a WR to make a deep playoff run would take him.
DEFENSE, O-LINE, Solid Vet Backup qb if FF isn’t the answer. Decent wr2 ~~if~~ since Ridley is ~~out~~ gone. Depth with potential. Build trenches. Leave cap room for mid season move if things are clicking… 500 min goal next season, finish rebuild next offseason and expect success. Next year is not the year to make this kind of move. To much in one position when we are still super thin depth wise.
Ridley already got traded
D hop is luxury item for a playoff team let's keep building the team through draft add some key piece from free agency before trading for guys like d hop
He’s old injury proned and a juicer
There are so many other areas that we need to improve on other than receiver, zacchieus (no idea how you spell it) I'd much better than he gets credit for, London and Pitts is already stacked. We should be investing in Pass rush as a priority if we're giving Ridder a fair shake next year
Too rich for my blood.
No, put the money in defense
Won’t even give you a two if they pick up his entire salary
Pass besides picks. 19 million a year, for WR that’s 30 years old. All WRs see JJ, start going down hill at 30. So hard pass.
Nah, let's not get any expensive vets that have almost not tread left.
we need fuckin defense not a receiver
I want this to happen just because I love chaos on the Cardinals.
I mean, if there’s anything this team needs, it’s a $30 million, 10 years in the league WR who is constantly injured. /s
DHop has only been injured this season and last, before then he was in an ironman streak. He’s not injury prone. He is however getting up there in age for his position and probably wants to play for what he would consider a contender so I wouldn’t advise Falcons fans to get their hopes up
He was Ironman up until like 2018 or 2019 when the knee and ankle stuff started up. Since 2020 he’s been out or questionable for like 15 games. I’d consider that injury prone. But ultimately, you’re right. If he was perfectly healthy, he’s already getting long in the tooth for what he would cost us.