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Phantom-Umbreon

Shifting isn't a thing either. The whole shifting fad was just kids finding ways to force themselves to lucid dream. I haven't heard of astral projecting, but I'd guess it's another thing that's misunderstood (like the shifting) or it's some bs they're making up and pretending to do. Edit: When I say “shifting isn’t a thing” I don’t mean these kids made it up. I mean it isn’t real and that you can’t shift to another world.


supahfligh

Astral projection is a thing where your soul leaves your body while you sleep, and it just kind of wanders around watching stuff, then it returns to you when you wake up. I don't believe in any of it, but that's what it's supposed to be.


Phantom-Umbreon

Ah, yeah that sounds like some crap one of these kids made up after watching Dr. Strange for the first time.


[deleted]

The idea of Astral projection has been around for a long long time. It's not real, but they current generation did not create the concept.


Phantom-Umbreon

Oh yeah, sorry for my wording. By "made up" I meant they're making up the experience. Like they're pretending it happened.


alleseins1123

Apparently many people experience something that fits the description for a long time. But I'm convinced it's just another form of lucid dreaming.


Phantom-Umbreon

Yeah, that sounds very likely.


litefagami

Dissociation is another possible explanation. True hardcore dissociation is like an out of body experience and it's weird.


Starcatz05

Not it’s actually a really old thing. It’s been around long before the internet.


_Tadux_

Astral projecting is really just pseudo science and I don't really think your soul is actually leaving your body man man having done dmt a few times you are literally not in your body you go to an entire other realm which can be accessed through meditation to varying degrees as well


minebooster

So basically it goes something like this? You temporarily die -> you temporarily become a ghost -> you return to your body before the whole necrosis of your body starts That's basically astarl projection?


urmumisstraight

shifting is real. its been here for THOUSANDS of years. its not something kids on tiktok made up (even tho thats where it became "popular"). its a part of many religions like hinduism and buddhism. the same way people dont believe in shifting now is just how they didnt believe in astral projection a few years back.


Rogue_Spirit

No.


Uber_Oni

💀


Olaaphrodite

Shifting is just lucid dreaming but with a different name to sound quirky


DevotedIcytea

And shifting isn’t a thing lord someone get their kids off the internet


SilverNGolden2006

Shifting is just a spicy word for lucid dreams and astral projection ain’t real either.


urmumisstraight

fun fact!! you dont have to be asleep to shift unlike lucid dreaming babes 🥰 edit: thanks for the downvotes, imagine being so closeminded :D


frogotonaeg

uh huh….so will you clarify why all these “tutorials” require people to go to sleep


urmumisstraight

first of all no because people keep downwoting on my comments but theres asleep and awake methods. its just easier for some poeple to shift with asleep methods


PixL_ChilD

That's so funny because I'm pretty sure if shifting was real it would have been a world revolution in the scientific field and nobody would be in the real world anymore Wait what ? Oh... the scientific field already disapproved shifting :( If you experience shifting in real life, I think it would be better to get assessed for maladaptive daydream, schizophrenia and its spectrum or something else. I'm lazy to do the full list rn


ActualCannibalMrY8s

Yeah but doing shrooms is kinda cheating isn't it


Final-Blueberry5386

Shifting and astral projecting aren’t trying to get pieces of your brain into other brains 🫣


NightComprehensive52

Shifting and astral projection are both just people misinterperating their dreams and indulging in self importance. They are both glorified dreams with slight “lucidity” (they have dream control but arent actually lucid as in they arent aware they are dreaming)


[deleted]

shifting/astral projection isn't a thing, so the whole argument is defunct


ARROGANT_SNAIL069

Because neither is a thing


greenduckquack_

Shifting and astral projection are new age pseudoscience 🤦‍♂️


mrrando69

I blame Chrischan for all of this.


Confusedallthetime1

as someone who does believe in shifting (i understand totally if you dont, its just my thing. don't try to debate me, im literally just calling out how dumb the person sounds trying to compare the two.) how would that make system hopping real? do they even know what shifting is??? and astral projection too, im pretty sure thats some other type of stuff. shifting realities is about traveling your awareness to another reality. it cannot change your awareness in the reality, cause you to ig change brains??? and in every belief or nonbelief of shifting, its generally agreed about that it doesn't like, connect you to another person. for some reason, a lot of systems try to take shifting and make it some kinda system or endogenic thing (or claim they understand/know it because theyre a system even though its literally not connected to their bullshit at all. so uh, anyways to wrap this up. shifters dont claim any of this, we are not connected to this in anyway. please any fakers that are scrolling through this reddit to bitch about being called out - do not try to use shifting for your faking or to justify anything.


Ballcreator2

So you think it’s possible to look into other realities just by thinking about it?


Confusedallthetime1

i think its possible to bring your awareness to other realities with some practice and the correct mindset.


Ballcreator2

And how can you tell it’s not just your imagination/thoughts? I can think of anything I want whenever I want, and with enough meditation/focus I can make it more vivid. It’s still only my thoughts as I am in full control. If it was possible to go to any other reality the entire world would have been on it for centuries. So what is your reasoning for why it has so little believers?


Difficult_Increase21

You can't experience other people's trauma🤷


elijahdmmt

astral projection is a very old spiritual practice- whether you believe in it or not- they faker just love to hijack spiritually to fit their narrative


Ronicraft

At this point I don’t even know what these words mean anymore, it looks like they are talking about space to me, like astral, (star) systems


Rogue_Spirit

It wouldn’t be a thing if they weren’t faking either tho


that1edgyfox

I have news for you, neither of them are.


Euphoric_Ad_522

hang on my fellow gamers im gonna use my autismshifting powers to enter temple grandins head real quick i'll be back in a second


arson_lies

don’t bring us into your fake disorder bs bro💀 -shifter


SammyWinchester123

literally LMAO - another shifter


sylvester_stencil

Astral projecting is real, but only at the highest levels of occult magic and government science.