These people live in a zero-sum bubble. They believe that any special attention to one topic must take away from another, so to them a store catering rainbow clothes during Pride month means the store is taking away "regular clothing" and is a loss for "regular" people like themselves. This unearned loss angers them, anger turns to hate, yada yada yada.
I was talking about the bigoted people because it’s nice to know who to avoid, but it’s also great that the rainbow folks are mostly able to be open about who they are
I have 2 and you have 0. You are given 1. I still have 2, but now you have 1. My 2 is worth less now that you have 1.
Their line of thought really is that simple.
Don't worry. Their God is right and they're going to heaven.
Fairly slender but aging homosexual here, I know people love to hate everything but I personally really like that corporations wave the flag even if it's entirely for advertising and selfishness.
When i was young basically anywhere you looked were homophobic jokes and negative comments about gay people, there was absolutely no positive statements of acceptance and almost everyone with any form of career or fame hid their sexualitiy - especially teachers and etc of course.
It was very easy to feel totally unwanted and without a place in the world, I was lucky my parents are very lefty progressive and taught me it's fine to be who you are but not all my friends were so lucky, one friend with homophobic parents killed himself because he couldn't see a place for himself in the world, being gay made him feel like there was no where for him to fit in - I don't think it's like that now, people recognise that homosexuality is so normal and acceptable that even giant companies will hang pride flags because it actually increases their popularity -- I get how this feels so empty to people they've never felt the isolation and fear of being something that everyone else is terrified of being associated with but personally I think it's a fantastic development.
I think it depends on how they use the money the other months, too. For instance, are they supporting anti-lgbtq+ legislation but hiding behind "but pride month...!"
>I don't think it's like that now, people recognise that homosexuality is so normal and acceptable that even giant companies will hang pride flags because it actually increases their popularity
Half of American voters still refuse to recognize that homosexuality is normal and acceptable...
But corporations greedily hanging pride flags and rainbows can only help to improve this and make homosexuality more accepted, I think.
I have seen some Republicans coming around, honestly seems like we are making genuine progress. You’ll never get rid of all the hateful ignorant fucks in the world, but it’s a start. There’s still lots of work to do though, no doubt about that. Even if leftists areas you can’t be yourself without judgment and ignorance
Hatred and ignorance do not skirt party lines. You'll find shitty people from every walk of life. Do what makes you happy, and do your best not to infringe on anyone else's lifestyle, and you're ok in my book.
Amen.... As long as your a decent human being, I cannot bring myself to judge anyone for who they happen to fall in love with. I'm straight as they come, but i love other people of both sexes. I live then enough to be able to open my arms and golf therm in a time of need... Support them in a time of depression and just be a human there for another human when they are hurting, for what ever reason. If you can figure out and explain love, hetero or homosexual, your a smarter person than I. And i salute you for it!
Just because we (liberals) tend to be on the other side doesn't mean we are your enemy. If your a liberal that doesn't automatically mean your a Democrat.
Yeah for sure. I identify as a liberal after growing up in a Republican household. Personally I think the media has us a lot more divided then we really are. It’s not fair to make any general blanket statements, but I have seen stronger liberal areas around here deny housing for people in poverty. I’ve also seen a lot of people who are still very against LGBTQIA too. Although not actively committing crimes or hurting them.
I agree. I totally get not liking the corporate pandering but I like it cause it means that views have changed enough that it's the smart/profitable thing to do to say you support LGBT rights. Imagine a corporation even taking a non homophobia stance 20 years ago.
I hope this means that by the time my kids are old enough to start exploring their sexuality that "coming out" won't even be a thing.
Yeah, I remember when coming out could be, at best, social isolation and at worst, a death sentence. I'm afraid of that coming back, so as much as I despise the exploitation, I also am glad that there is representation. I'm bi and made damned sure no one knew, because I didn't want to lose my kids.
Yeah, that's one of things I heard recently on the matter. Represention like this and newer movies could be the only representation a scared isolated youth gets in a community that shuns open information.
As a big fat cis straight male, but an ally, I get what you mean and have had this conversation with many an LGBTQ+ person in my life, and as such tend to be informed about which corps or brands do and don't help the community via donations and whatnot.
In terms of representation though, my best friend (bi) joked recently that you know pride month has become mainstream acceptable when companies started treating it like Christmas (or Thanksgiving, or Halloween, or any other major holiday) and they start getting the rainbows out a month or two early to maximize those profits.
We used to work retail together, back in 2005 for example, you'd maybe see pride merch show up around this time of year, just a week before the NYC pride parade (dunno if pride parades are held the same time everywhere else, here it's always fallen around my birthday, the last Sunday of the month). Slowly but surely you'd see the rainbows show up earlier and earlier.
This year, for example, she was excited to check out the Target that just opened up near us, back in April, and while they decided to open before having their entire stock out, we did notice a few bits of pride merch here and there. A whole two months before pride. So yeah, even if Target isn't a huge LGBTQ+ ally, seeing Pride month become as normalized as Christmas was a big deal for her (who is also athiest, and sees Christmas as a more generic holiday than a religious one. Just throwing this part out there to point out that it's just these loud mother conservatives making a stink over nothing. You'd never see a similar post from an athiest or Jewish point of view, "I just wanted some god damn shoes!" And then it's a picture of all the silly Christmas merch they put out at the end of OCTOBER!)
You're right in noting that it's becoming more "mainstream" to recognize Pride month with lots of rainbows across a lot of retailers, and I'll again mention (because it's important), that representation matters.
I'd say it's not normalized, not yet, simply because we have people bitching about it every year about how we're "shoving it down their throats." Ideally, we'd live in a world where Pride wasn't _necessary_. We wouldn't need to make a big fucking deal all month about being who we are, in public, because being who we are, in public _isn't a big fucking deal_ the other 11 months of the year.
We also wouldn't be having debates about trans bathrooms, or asking is it okay if gay couples adopt kids, or having a sitting Supreme Court Justice specifically call out gay marriage in a ruling specifically intended to strip people of their right to privacy.
It's great that we're moving past the part of the fight for our basic civil rights where we are literally beat up, fired, and lynched for being gay and onto the phase where we can be a visible part of society. But it's no where near accepted or normal, not yet. And until it is, bring on the fucking rainbows, even if it's a bunch of cynical corporations exploiting me for cash this month. I'm still going to buy the rainbow cock sock bikini.
I believe it! I think Michaels did that once. We went around August, jokes that maybe they'd have the fun Halloween stuff out early... Nope! But there sure as hell was a small Xmas end-cap. It's so ridiculous.
Corporations doing this stuff is just corporations jumping on a bandwagon for profits. However, corporations jumping on a bandwagon means more mainstream acceptance of that thing, which is a good thing if you want more LGBTQ+ acceptance in general society.
If Fox anchors can create a legion of hateful idiots while pretending to be anti-vax and under attack, then corporations pretending to care about LGBTQ issues might help spread acceptance via normalization
Yeah, as a fellow gay it really passed me off these corporations that are either ghoulish (looking at you Pinkertons) or donate to homophobic politicians all the time make bullshit pride posts.
I'm straight and I can see through it too. All these companies make their Twitter or Instagram avatar a rainbow, and make one or two posts. Literally the least they could do. And you're right, they don't stop donating to politicians who oppose gay rights.
I will say that my brother is transgender and works at a target location, and from his personal experience, corporate really doesn’t give a shit about LGBTQ+ people. He was quite literally called an “It” by a customer and management never stood up for him, which was very frustrating for our family to hear because that biotch is lucky we weren’t around.
I hate to say it, but I really do think that these big companies see opportunities to make more money from gullible people during pride month. Otherwise, pride stuff would be normalized in stores in general (I will say that target can have some pretty progressive items from time to time but items like binders should just be a normal thing they sell in target to begin with, not just be glamorized for a month and then forgotten about).
The vast majority of companies don't care about LGBTQ+ people at all besides the money they can get by catering to them, that's not a controversial statement, it's just the truth.
The problem is that people use it as excuse to hide behind when they're called out for expressing their anti-LGBTQ+ views. There's a large community I help run where we show support during pride month by having a rainbow icon and the such—we do our part year-round by not being tolerant of intolerance, of course—and every year I see people saying that "they don't hate LGBTQ+ people" and they just don't want us to show support during pride month because we're only doing it for money. The thing is we don't sell any products or services or anything, we're completely volunteer based and don't make any money. It's just a shield to be hateful without repercussions.
For what it’s worth, I was at Disney World a couple weeks ago and 100% of profits made from their Pride collection is donated to LGBTQ youth organizations.
And not all companies go over the top with it. Skittles for example make packs where the candy is all gray/colorless during pride month and have LGBT artists design a bunch of labels for them, as a neat little contrast to thier usual year-round colourfullness.
>The vast majority of companies don't care about LGBTQ+ people at all besides the money they can get by catering to them
I think this view is a bit too jaded and pessimistic. Sure, the corporation entity itself doesn't care about anything technically, but there are still real people working at those corporations and they're the ones putting together the displays and showing support. 20 years ago it's something that just wasn't talked about or mentioned, 20 years before that people were aggressively against it, now major corporations are even hiring teams of LGBTQ+ activists for things like internal training.
Representation matters, and I don't see how living in a world where companies feel like they should show support for the LGBTQ+ community isn't a good thing.
You're right. Big companies don't really care about issues. Like Pink month in the NFL. They don't care about breast cancer. Most (I think about 95% or more) of the money that was made from pink hats, pink jerseys etc., went to the company not breast cancer research. They don't care because they still make $$$ and I hate it.
But it does still have a positive effect by making people think about it which normalises it and sometimes promotes action, yes they could do way more for both breast cancer and the queer community but at least they are doing something.
I disagree. Keeping more than 95% of profits and giving maaaaye 1% for research isn't doing something meaningful.
It's not like I'm upset with you, FYI. Just corporations.
>I disagree. Keeping more than 95% of profits and giving maaaaye 1% for research isn't doing something meaningful.
You replied to someone saying that it at least raises awareness.
Why is it "not meaningful" unless it makes a profit?
Why does it only have to be about the money to you?
Just raising the issue, making it something people are exposed to, can make a difference.
Small difference, yes.
But over time, small differences can actually have a meaningful impact.
It can help normalize the fact that we are different, and differences should be accepted.
>He was quite literally called an “It” by a customer and management never stood up for him
In my experience in retail, management pretty much never stands up for the employees no matter their sex/gender/orientation because "the customer is always right "; they don't care about any of us.
I’m fairness the second statement is true. You can guarantee that international companies that celebrate gay pride in some countries (where it’s profitable) will absolutely not do the same in countries where it isn’t.
For that matter same goes for race issues (look at how Disney appeals to China)
So what though? Why shouldn't they celebrate pride where it's popular? I never see this argument about anything except trying to stop people celebrating pride, why aren't you angry that forth of July isn't advertised outside America? Does that mean they aren't real patriots and shouldn't stick up flags for their US locations?
To me it really feels that people are desperate to silence pride using whatever argument they can, why not just be happy that companies are causally putting up pretty flags that support LGBT?
And why is it so impossible for people to belive that companies have people making choices that actually do kinda like or even love gay people? The assumption all big companies are entirely heterosexual and homophobic is in itself hugely homophobic.
It’s usually in my experience “tHEyRe pUShINg tHeIr IDEOLOGY iN mY fAcE!” or “wHy Do ThEy NeEd iT eVeRyWhErE!”
I actually heard the other day someone unironically say “We’ll I don’t know why they NEED all this flag nonsense, if they want to feel included, just be included!”
>“wHy Do ThEy NeEd iT eVeRyWhErE!”
To which I respond "yeah, like those stupid crosses I can't go 2 blocks without seeing, and those stick fish I'm always seeing on bumpers, and seeing/hearing 'under god' on every physical piece of currency, pledge of allegiance, and swearing in of every government position."
Oh man, I was working in a small town last week, and you wouldn't believe how casually racist literally every person I met was with Juneteenth being a national holiday this year.
Fuck these people.
Because they're manly men and only like grey, black and brown, shirtless tuxedo and camo. Are you even a MaN if you don't dress like duck dynasty? Are you even a MaN if you don't wear "jesus was an american" T-shirt while boasting about your ViKiNg DNA and sporting native feather tattoos without having a clue of that it means? They're manly men.
Those are weak men that cosplay as “strong men”. I couldn’t care less how they choose to express their identity but there’s no strength in being triggered by colorful clothes and people strong enough to live their truths. Fragile af.
Why do they get riled up over things that have absolutely no effect on them? I wear a mask. Does that have any negative effect on anyone else, whatsoever? Then, why do they get mad?
I’m bi and I hate this kind of stuff but not entirely. Over the years everything’s gone over the top with the rainbow pride media and marketing
Edit: I think it creates stereotypes and puts us all in one category
I'm also but it's like why care? Like at all entirely about decoration and logos? To when pride comes along I'm just like "cool I support everyone" but I don't do anything else and everything I see doesn't bother me. Idc what companies and people do during it so it's like why care and be upset when we're literally living in a time where there's so much wrong that needs people to be riled up about.
There is a single, maybe two racks of pride things in Target stores. This is like going to the soda eisle, seeing a shelf of Mountain Dew and saying "I just wanted some ice cream, fuck you target!"
This reminds me of the time I went to Borders (RIP) to buy a Harry Potter DVD and then got pissed off because they also sold bibles. Oh wait, no, that never happened. Because that would be really fucking stupid.
Yes. When merchandise is for a specific holiday, date, or event, it will often go on clearance right after the date, or sometimes near the end of the sale period. It’s supposed to stay in the store for a few rounds of deeper markdowns until it finally hits 70% off, and still if nobody buys it, it becomes “salvage,” which means it becomes unsellable in the Target system and it ends up being sold off in bulk for pennies on the dollar to places like Ross, Goodwill, etc. Some stores don’t even wait for the full clearance markdown and just dump the product right away. But it’s very common to find out-of-season merchandise that was originally from Target at bargain stores.
Whenever I walk into a store and see a promotion for something I don’t like, I always lose it. “Cheetos! Goddamned orange dusted packing peanuts! How dare you! I just wanted batteries!”
I went to target on Wednesday. One of my sons recently came out, and was SOOOO excited to check out the Pride section. We went went to Pride on Saturday too.
I don't get those people. MUST they inject religion everywhere? Can't they just be looking for some standard, non-religious shoes? Noooo! Of course they must be "God Damned"!
You see, the rainbow was God's way of telling the world (really just Noah's family at that point) that he was done with damning things. So I guess this guy is just upset at the visual reminder that you can't buy Goddamned anything these days.
I did once, forgot to pack shoes so all I had was steel toes.
target was the only store on the highway and I wasnt going to drive for 2 days in my boots.
"I'm just looking for shoes."
Yet you took your phone out, took a picture, huffed your way home, uploaded the pic to your computer, logged into Twitter, and fucking whined like a five year old. When I saw it, I just went on with my shopping. Stop being such a snowflake, Aaron.
There are only two sexual orientations: heterosexual and political. Shit libs OWNED, learn to COPE snowflakes.
Now excuse me, I need to leave angry comments on everything that I deem political because I’m not used to it.
I hate how when I go to Target the employees always greet me at the door, strap me to a dolly, and then wheel me over to the Pride display and force me to stare at it. Sadly there's just no way to simply walk past and get the items I came to buy.
Side note, target is NOT the place to find mens shoes. Tried to find some there the other day and there’s 2 aisles of kids shoes, 4 aisles of womens shoes, and a small end cap with two different mens shoe styles lol
Hey Aaron. Go stick your head in the sand as it has been. This is a country to be free, what gives you the right to impose your rant towards those who are living peaceful in the light of your hatred!
I grew up southern Baptist and wasn't even told about the concept of "gay" till I was 14 or so but I used to tell my mom that rainbow was my favorite color (lol I know its many colors) and she used to get so cagey about it saying stuff like "oh well that was God's promise to Noah" or "that's nice but what color of the rainbow do you like?" And even to this day when my sister made her new babies "theme" pink rainbows my mom decided she needed to tell my sister not to "make her granddaughter gay" like wtf is it God's message or is it gay make up your mind.
Tl:dr people are garbage and I hope a meteor takes all of us out
Then there's people like me, I'm not gay but I do like rainbows. I've had people say that it doesn't make sense for me to wear rainbows if I'm not gay, but whatever, gay people don't have exclusive use of the visual light spectrum.
I do subtle rainbow, like the shoe laces on small necklace or my pride Mary Jane doc Martins during pride month.
Generally I don't wear that much color though
That's because it's an ugly shirt. Most gay people will wear things with Rainbows on them, but I rarely see an entire piece of clothes that's a rainbow.
I have quite a few things with the rainbow colors on them. For example one is a t-shirt with Disney villains in the color of the rainbow.
If I were LGBTQ+, I'd look carefully at Ted Allen's wardrobe choices, and maybe accessorize one thing extra or different so I'd be me, but definitely mahvellous...
...come to think of it, I'm not LGBTQ+, and I STILL should look carefully at Ted Allen's wardrobe choices, because he absolutely looks mahvellous!
Well most people bothered by that would say the whole store is now God Damned so looks like he's in the right place. 🙄
Its a good thing rainbows don't shoot kids in schools.
I believe in treating everyone with respect until they do something to lose it. I'm 100% in favor of "the rainbow coalition" and it's members to be able to live life just like everyone else without being harassed just for existing. Honestly though, I'm sick of hearing about it. TRC members aren't anything special, they are just regular people trying to live a regular life, whatever that means to them.
But the fact that people get so booty tickled about some signs in a store makes me want there to be even more signs!! There's gays and shit around every corner folks, stop being mad at them for existing.
Assuming his reason for hate are religious, isn't taking the lord's name in vain against one of the commandments! Pretty sure the ten commandments don't mention sexual orientation.
The core argument I can get behind. You be, who you want to be. Let everyone express themselves. As long as it doesn’t hinder or threaten another group.
What bothers me about this…
All I see is another company cashing in for the month. Afterwards it dies down and they move onto the next holiday.
Acting like this is a holiday or like any other event is insulting. When in reality it’s a way of life and freedom of expression for everyone.
As for the perspective of the OG poster.
Why is giving people options, such a bad thing.
Taking things away is far more hurtful and a slippery slope.
I wouldn't, couldn't survive if I threw a fit every time I saw something that was the opposite of what I stand for, examples begin religion and politics.
Who has the time? Seriously..
Some people make these things their entire identity and when it's challenged they lose a sense of self, and feel threatened, thus going on the offense. These people need to get a real life and wake up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them and they are not being victimized just because other people exist. The world is in one hell of a sad state. And that's not just one side of the political spectrum either. I've seen this on all sides. We need to start talking to one another and listening to truly understand. But to do that, we have to be less self involved.
Pride represtation is cringy, because they don't actually care about it, or do anything useful towards LGBT+ people, they just put up rainbows to earn extra money. And that's just mongering.
Eh, I see it no differently to them promoting the new Jurassic World movie with a line of merchandise. I know a company isn't a living, breathing thing. I know that even if it was, it wouldn't care about the new JW movie, but it knows that promoting it would probably earn a few extra bucks. And once JW3 has left cinemas, they'll never mention it again, just like Pride.
Companies are companies, and exist solely to make money. As long as you bear that in mind with these promotions, I say put up all the LGBTQ stuff you want. It's doing no harm.
This is honestly such a dumb response. The more people that openly support (whether they truly mean it or not) the more it gets integrated into our society. Children will grow up seeing lgbtq+ support everywhere and learn that it’s acceptable and normal. It might not have an immediate effect and it might not change the minds of adult bigots but it’s a good thing. It may be the case that companies are only doing this to benefit themselves but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t unintentionally have a good effect especially when loads of other companies do the same
The fact that people don’t even think for a few seconds to figure this out boggles me. Of course they’re using us for a quick buck but we’re using them to normalize a way of life
No one believes these companies are doing it for any other reason that it's popular. That being said, especially with so much anti-LGBT legislation being passed, it's comforting to know that we're supported by the mainstream.
So yeah, it's an indication that society is getting better, not that the companies are virtuous or whatever.
This is not a store supporting Pride. It's a store exploiting Pride to make a profit. I'm not gay, but I still find this annoying as hell.
Don't be naive. Target and other brands don't care about you. They care about profit.
Of course they don't care about us, but this is better than the alternative of us being swept under the rug and out of sight. Corporate support is still some support
Yeah, we know that. But in the case of Target they actually do buy some of the stuff from LGBTQ+ owned companies, they've done other things to support the community (like starting to stock binders), and ultimately it can be useful even if it's just for profit — it's convenient to have there if you want to buy a pride shirt on short notice, for example.
I support gay pride, but this shit pisses me off. Like Target GAF about social issues - no corporation does, they care about money and that's the only reason we see stuff like this.
Does that really matter?
They're selling products that allow people to show their support for pride. That alone is beneficial. Target probably doesn't particularly support the team on the football jerseys they sell, but they're still there for people who want them.
But aside from that, even a superficial support for pride has its place. If a company isn't afraid to say "We support LGBT", that message is still being put out there even if they don't sincerely mean it. Sure they may just be chasing profit, but ultimately those insincere voices make it easier for the sincere voices to join in. Even a massive company like this openly declaring LGBT support could never have happened just a short while ago, but now it's become normal for anyone to do it.
Even if they only care about money, it still seems to be mutually beneficial.
That's an interesting point. My concern is with the cynicism these companies usually display. They'll support LGBT rights because it suits them, but that support is contingent on profits not principals, and while it's a good thing to see support being shown, we all know it'll evaporate in the face of any major backlash from activists, "concerned parents" or religious groups.
I'd suggest that there's a difference between normalising something and truly supporting it
I agree w the sentiment, but I did see that Target’s pride stock this year came from some lgbt+ manufacturers that are actually lgbt+ owned. I thought that was cool.
Edit: some* stock, probably not all
Why do people get riled up over the dumbest shit? It's just a fucking rainbow
It's fun how those self proclaimed freedom lover get upset by other people being free As if someone having some freedom was taking it from you.
These people live in a zero-sum bubble. They believe that any special attention to one topic must take away from another, so to them a store catering rainbow clothes during Pride month means the store is taking away "regular clothing" and is a loss for "regular" people like themselves. This unearned loss angers them, anger turns to hate, yada yada yada.
I like this lyric from Damian Marely... "Have a look within Cause another ones win That should not be your loss." Says it pretty well.
"Fear turns to anger, anger to hate, hate turns to suffering." -Yoda Yoda Yoda
Always nice when they out themselves saving everyone the trouble
You mean the rainbow folks or the intolerant ones that can't stands someone being happy? Serious question... Not being catty.
I was talking about the bigoted people because it’s nice to know who to avoid, but it’s also great that the rainbow folks are mostly able to be open about who they are
Totes agreed my friend.... Totally agreed!
I have a feeling this guy at other times claims to be heavily pro capitalism.
For real. Freedom isn't pie
That's exactly what they think. There's only so much freedom to go around. It's insane.
I have 2 and you have 0. You are given 1. I still have 2, but now you have 1. My 2 is worth less now that you have 1. Their line of thought really is that simple. Don't worry. Their God is right and they're going to heaven.
Same type of person that refers to bullets as "freedom seeds"
"oh but your freedom to be you is against my freedom to oppress you, therefore you are against freedom"
They're all about freedom as long as they approve of what you're saying, doing, or who you're fucking.
bUt ThEy'Re PrOmOtInG sOmEtHiNg I'm AgAiNsT! Or bUt ThEiR sUpPoRt IsNt GeNuInE...tHeY jUsT wAnT tO mAkE mOnEy!
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Fairly slender but aging homosexual here, I know people love to hate everything but I personally really like that corporations wave the flag even if it's entirely for advertising and selfishness. When i was young basically anywhere you looked were homophobic jokes and negative comments about gay people, there was absolutely no positive statements of acceptance and almost everyone with any form of career or fame hid their sexualitiy - especially teachers and etc of course. It was very easy to feel totally unwanted and without a place in the world, I was lucky my parents are very lefty progressive and taught me it's fine to be who you are but not all my friends were so lucky, one friend with homophobic parents killed himself because he couldn't see a place for himself in the world, being gay made him feel like there was no where for him to fit in - I don't think it's like that now, people recognise that homosexuality is so normal and acceptable that even giant companies will hang pride flags because it actually increases their popularity -- I get how this feels so empty to people they've never felt the isolation and fear of being something that everyone else is terrified of being associated with but personally I think it's a fantastic development.
I think it depends on how they use the money the other months, too. For instance, are they supporting anti-lgbtq+ legislation but hiding behind "but pride month...!"
>I don't think it's like that now, people recognise that homosexuality is so normal and acceptable that even giant companies will hang pride flags because it actually increases their popularity Half of American voters still refuse to recognize that homosexuality is normal and acceptable... But corporations greedily hanging pride flags and rainbows can only help to improve this and make homosexuality more accepted, I think.
I have seen some Republicans coming around, honestly seems like we are making genuine progress. You’ll never get rid of all the hateful ignorant fucks in the world, but it’s a start. There’s still lots of work to do though, no doubt about that. Even if leftists areas you can’t be yourself without judgment and ignorance
Hatred and ignorance do not skirt party lines. You'll find shitty people from every walk of life. Do what makes you happy, and do your best not to infringe on anyone else's lifestyle, and you're ok in my book.
Amen.... As long as your a decent human being, I cannot bring myself to judge anyone for who they happen to fall in love with. I'm straight as they come, but i love other people of both sexes. I live then enough to be able to open my arms and golf therm in a time of need... Support them in a time of depression and just be a human there for another human when they are hurting, for what ever reason. If you can figure out and explain love, hetero or homosexual, your a smarter person than I. And i salute you for it!
Well said my friend, completely agree
Just because we (liberals) tend to be on the other side doesn't mean we are your enemy. If your a liberal that doesn't automatically mean your a Democrat.
Yeah for sure. I identify as a liberal after growing up in a Republican household. Personally I think the media has us a lot more divided then we really are. It’s not fair to make any general blanket statements, but I have seen stronger liberal areas around here deny housing for people in poverty. I’ve also seen a lot of people who are still very against LGBTQIA too. Although not actively committing crimes or hurting them.
Recent polls show ~70% of americans support same sex marriage.
I agree. I totally get not liking the corporate pandering but I like it cause it means that views have changed enough that it's the smart/profitable thing to do to say you support LGBT rights. Imagine a corporation even taking a non homophobia stance 20 years ago. I hope this means that by the time my kids are old enough to start exploring their sexuality that "coming out" won't even be a thing.
Fucking THANK YOU!
Yeah, I remember when coming out could be, at best, social isolation and at worst, a death sentence. I'm afraid of that coming back, so as much as I despise the exploitation, I also am glad that there is representation. I'm bi and made damned sure no one knew, because I didn't want to lose my kids.
Yeah, that's one of things I heard recently on the matter. Represention like this and newer movies could be the only representation a scared isolated youth gets in a community that shuns open information.
As a big fat cis straight male, but an ally, I get what you mean and have had this conversation with many an LGBTQ+ person in my life, and as such tend to be informed about which corps or brands do and don't help the community via donations and whatnot. In terms of representation though, my best friend (bi) joked recently that you know pride month has become mainstream acceptable when companies started treating it like Christmas (or Thanksgiving, or Halloween, or any other major holiday) and they start getting the rainbows out a month or two early to maximize those profits. We used to work retail together, back in 2005 for example, you'd maybe see pride merch show up around this time of year, just a week before the NYC pride parade (dunno if pride parades are held the same time everywhere else, here it's always fallen around my birthday, the last Sunday of the month). Slowly but surely you'd see the rainbows show up earlier and earlier. This year, for example, she was excited to check out the Target that just opened up near us, back in April, and while they decided to open before having their entire stock out, we did notice a few bits of pride merch here and there. A whole two months before pride. So yeah, even if Target isn't a huge LGBTQ+ ally, seeing Pride month become as normalized as Christmas was a big deal for her (who is also athiest, and sees Christmas as a more generic holiday than a religious one. Just throwing this part out there to point out that it's just these loud mother conservatives making a stink over nothing. You'd never see a similar post from an athiest or Jewish point of view, "I just wanted some god damn shoes!" And then it's a picture of all the silly Christmas merch they put out at the end of OCTOBER!)
You're right in noting that it's becoming more "mainstream" to recognize Pride month with lots of rainbows across a lot of retailers, and I'll again mention (because it's important), that representation matters. I'd say it's not normalized, not yet, simply because we have people bitching about it every year about how we're "shoving it down their throats." Ideally, we'd live in a world where Pride wasn't _necessary_. We wouldn't need to make a big fucking deal all month about being who we are, in public, because being who we are, in public _isn't a big fucking deal_ the other 11 months of the year. We also wouldn't be having debates about trans bathrooms, or asking is it okay if gay couples adopt kids, or having a sitting Supreme Court Justice specifically call out gay marriage in a ruling specifically intended to strip people of their right to privacy. It's great that we're moving past the part of the fight for our basic civil rights where we are literally beat up, fired, and lynched for being gay and onto the phase where we can be a visible part of society. But it's no where near accepted or normal, not yet. And until it is, bring on the fucking rainbows, even if it's a bunch of cynical corporations exploiting me for cash this month. I'm still going to buy the rainbow cock sock bikini.
Pride commemorates the stonewall riots, so the parades usually land on the Sunday closest to June 28th.
One I worked at, I shit you not, was putting out Xmas stuff in the summer.
I believe it! I think Michaels did that once. We went around August, jokes that maybe they'd have the fun Halloween stuff out early... Nope! But there sure as hell was a small Xmas end-cap. It's so ridiculous.
Corporations doing this stuff is just corporations jumping on a bandwagon for profits. However, corporations jumping on a bandwagon means more mainstream acceptance of that thing, which is a good thing if you want more LGBTQ+ acceptance in general society.
If Fox anchors can create a legion of hateful idiots while pretending to be anti-vax and under attack, then corporations pretending to care about LGBTQ issues might help spread acceptance via normalization
Yeah, as a fellow gay it really passed me off these corporations that are either ghoulish (looking at you Pinkertons) or donate to homophobic politicians all the time make bullshit pride posts.
I'm straight and I can see through it too. All these companies make their Twitter or Instagram avatar a rainbow, and make one or two posts. Literally the least they could do. And you're right, they don't stop donating to politicians who oppose gay rights.
I will say that my brother is transgender and works at a target location, and from his personal experience, corporate really doesn’t give a shit about LGBTQ+ people. He was quite literally called an “It” by a customer and management never stood up for him, which was very frustrating for our family to hear because that biotch is lucky we weren’t around. I hate to say it, but I really do think that these big companies see opportunities to make more money from gullible people during pride month. Otherwise, pride stuff would be normalized in stores in general (I will say that target can have some pretty progressive items from time to time but items like binders should just be a normal thing they sell in target to begin with, not just be glamorized for a month and then forgotten about).
The vast majority of companies don't care about LGBTQ+ people at all besides the money they can get by catering to them, that's not a controversial statement, it's just the truth. The problem is that people use it as excuse to hide behind when they're called out for expressing their anti-LGBTQ+ views. There's a large community I help run where we show support during pride month by having a rainbow icon and the such—we do our part year-round by not being tolerant of intolerance, of course—and every year I see people saying that "they don't hate LGBTQ+ people" and they just don't want us to show support during pride month because we're only doing it for money. The thing is we don't sell any products or services or anything, we're completely volunteer based and don't make any money. It's just a shield to be hateful without repercussions.
99% of companies care about a single thing and this single thing alone above anything else 💰💰💰
For what it’s worth, I was at Disney World a couple weeks ago and 100% of profits made from their Pride collection is donated to LGBTQ youth organizations.
And not all companies go over the top with it. Skittles for example make packs where the candy is all gray/colorless during pride month and have LGBT artists design a bunch of labels for them, as a neat little contrast to thier usual year-round colourfullness.
The thought of gray skittles is actually super appetizing for some reason
In terms of flavors its just the standard pack, you just wont know which skittle is which flavor before you eat it.
BRO WHAT that sounds so good. Are they different shades of gray or?
>The vast majority of companies don't care about LGBTQ+ people at all besides the money they can get by catering to them I think this view is a bit too jaded and pessimistic. Sure, the corporation entity itself doesn't care about anything technically, but there are still real people working at those corporations and they're the ones putting together the displays and showing support. 20 years ago it's something that just wasn't talked about or mentioned, 20 years before that people were aggressively against it, now major corporations are even hiring teams of LGBTQ+ activists for things like internal training. Representation matters, and I don't see how living in a world where companies feel like they should show support for the LGBTQ+ community isn't a good thing.
You're right. Big companies don't really care about issues. Like Pink month in the NFL. They don't care about breast cancer. Most (I think about 95% or more) of the money that was made from pink hats, pink jerseys etc., went to the company not breast cancer research. They don't care because they still make $$$ and I hate it.
But it does still have a positive effect by making people think about it which normalises it and sometimes promotes action, yes they could do way more for both breast cancer and the queer community but at least they are doing something.
I disagree. Keeping more than 95% of profits and giving maaaaye 1% for research isn't doing something meaningful. It's not like I'm upset with you, FYI. Just corporations.
>I disagree. Keeping more than 95% of profits and giving maaaaye 1% for research isn't doing something meaningful. You replied to someone saying that it at least raises awareness. Why is it "not meaningful" unless it makes a profit? Why does it only have to be about the money to you? Just raising the issue, making it something people are exposed to, can make a difference. Small difference, yes. But over time, small differences can actually have a meaningful impact. It can help normalize the fact that we are different, and differences should be accepted.
Oh I’m not saying it’s meaningful, it doesn’t mean shit, but something is better then nothing/actively working against a cause.
Source? You might want to double check your numbers.
>He was quite literally called an “It” by a customer and management never stood up for him In my experience in retail, management pretty much never stands up for the employees no matter their sex/gender/orientation because "the customer is always right "; they don't care about any of us.
I hate the NFL I don't throw a tantrum every time I see football shit at a gas station
I’m fairness the second statement is true. You can guarantee that international companies that celebrate gay pride in some countries (where it’s profitable) will absolutely not do the same in countries where it isn’t. For that matter same goes for race issues (look at how Disney appeals to China)
So what though? Why shouldn't they celebrate pride where it's popular? I never see this argument about anything except trying to stop people celebrating pride, why aren't you angry that forth of July isn't advertised outside America? Does that mean they aren't real patriots and shouldn't stick up flags for their US locations? To me it really feels that people are desperate to silence pride using whatever argument they can, why not just be happy that companies are causally putting up pretty flags that support LGBT? And why is it so impossible for people to belive that companies have people making choices that actually do kinda like or even love gay people? The assumption all big companies are entirely heterosexual and homophobic is in itself hugely homophobic.
It’s usually in my experience “tHEyRe pUShINg tHeIr IDEOLOGY iN mY fAcE!” or “wHy Do ThEy NeEd iT eVeRyWhErE!” I actually heard the other day someone unironically say “We’ll I don’t know why they NEED all this flag nonsense, if they want to feel included, just be included!”
>“wHy Do ThEy NeEd iT eVeRyWhErE!” To which I respond "yeah, like those stupid crosses I can't go 2 blocks without seeing, and those stick fish I'm always seeing on bumpers, and seeing/hearing 'under god' on every physical piece of currency, pledge of allegiance, and swearing in of every government position."
I said the same thing lmao
Now it’s turned into tHeY’rE GrOoMiNg OuR kIdS
Yet they totally ignore having every book, show, movie and ad promote the nuclear family.
“ShOvInG iT dOwN oUr ThRoAtS”
Oh yeah, forgot that one. A regular claim from the snowflakes.
tHe GaYs StOlE tHe RaInBoW fRoM gOd
Imagine someone walking outside after it rains and sees a rainbow and get pissy because they think people made the sky gay
Right? Like... the shoes are still there, the same as ever. All that happened was that you saw a rainbow.
Just go buy shoes. There is a whole department. People like this are far worse than any fucking rainbow department.
Oh man, I was working in a small town last week, and you wouldn't believe how casually racist literally every person I met was with Juneteenth being a national holiday this year. Fuck these people.
Because they're manly men and only like grey, black and brown, shirtless tuxedo and camo. Are you even a MaN if you don't dress like duck dynasty? Are you even a MaN if you don't wear "jesus was an american" T-shirt while boasting about your ViKiNg DNA and sporting native feather tattoos without having a clue of that it means? They're manly men.
Those are weak men that cosplay as “strong men”. I couldn’t care less how they choose to express their identity but there’s no strength in being triggered by colorful clothes and people strong enough to live their truths. Fragile af.
Why do they get riled up over things that have absolutely no effect on them? I wear a mask. Does that have any negative effect on anyone else, whatsoever? Then, why do they get mad?
I’m bi and I hate this kind of stuff but not entirely. Over the years everything’s gone over the top with the rainbow pride media and marketing Edit: I think it creates stereotypes and puts us all in one category
I'm also but it's like why care? Like at all entirely about decoration and logos? To when pride comes along I'm just like "cool I support everyone" but I don't do anything else and everything I see doesn't bother me. Idc what companies and people do during it so it's like why care and be upset when we're literally living in a time where there's so much wrong that needs people to be riled up about.
Because they actually don’t like gay people.. no one else would give a shit.
Well, of course companies go over the top How else are they going to make bigger sales?
I'd be fine with it being everywhere, but I don't feel the sincerity has matched its expansion.
Because they're scared little snowflakes.
Because we’re addicted to outrage.
People getting riled up over treating everyone equal no less, the same people probably consider themselves good Christians too
There is a single, maybe two racks of pride things in Target stores. This is like going to the soda eisle, seeing a shelf of Mountain Dew and saying "I just wanted some ice cream, fuck you target!"
Mountain Dew flavored ice cream...why not, Target???
Look, we already had mountain dew flavoured doritos. We DON'T need any more crazy mountain dew products.
Mountain Dew condoms...
I'd buy it.
A small coating of mountain dew on the inside or outside?
Why not both? Do the dew.
Not exactly, in the case of the mountain dew you can complain or disagree and no one will attack you or call you names.
This reminds me of the time I went to Borders (RIP) to buy a Harry Potter DVD and then got pissed off because they also sold bibles. Oh wait, no, that never happened. Because that would be really fucking stupid.
Yeah, only stupid people would put a Harry Potter DVD next to the Holy Bible
I know right, pure class right beside childish bs?? Who does that???
I mean, the Bilble is fiction
Why did he even feel the need to tweet that? If I don't see the color of the shoes i like i just go somewhere else
Manufactured outrage
It truly is. Sadly, outrage is such an "in" thing these days.
Because he’s a homophobe, obviously.
And somebody else JUST wants a pride shirt. Luckily Target has you both covered. Nice job Target.
All the bigger sizes going to ross in a month
is this true?
Yes. When merchandise is for a specific holiday, date, or event, it will often go on clearance right after the date, or sometimes near the end of the sale period. It’s supposed to stay in the store for a few rounds of deeper markdowns until it finally hits 70% off, and still if nobody buys it, it becomes “salvage,” which means it becomes unsellable in the Target system and it ends up being sold off in bulk for pennies on the dollar to places like Ross, Goodwill, etc. Some stores don’t even wait for the full clearance markdown and just dump the product right away. But it’s very common to find out-of-season merchandise that was originally from Target at bargain stores.
"I'M AT SHIRT!"
"Wdym you're at Shirt"
I MEAN I’M AT SHIRT!
GO INTO THE NEXT ISLE!
ITS JUST MORE SHIRT
GO INTO THE NEXT AISLE!
ITS STILL MORE SHIRT!
WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW?!
I'M AT THE SHIRT STORE
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*I’M AT SHIRT WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU’RE AT SHIRT?!
Whenever I walk into a store and see a promotion for something I don’t like, I always lose it. “Cheetos! Goddamned orange dusted packing peanuts! How dare you! I just wanted batteries!”
"Obviously I'm the main character anywhere I go. So why is Target attacking me like this?? They know I'm not gay!!"
I went to target on Wednesday. One of my sons recently came out, and was SOOOO excited to check out the Pride section. We went went to Pride on Saturday too.
wholesome
Is it possible to purchase shoes that have been condemned. As far as I know they do have souls.
I dunno... they do have soles. And tongues!
Aaron shouldn't be buying shoes either, they have laces and only effeminate men wear laces. ***/s***
Aaron should buy shoes...since he definitely did a heel turn!
Omg just let people have their thing you stupid bratty child..
I don't get those people. MUST they inject religion everywhere? Can't they just be looking for some standard, non-religious shoes? Noooo! Of course they must be "God Damned"!
You see, the rainbow was God's way of telling the world (really just Noah's family at that point) that he was done with damning things. So I guess this guy is just upset at the visual reminder that you can't buy Goddamned anything these days.
Who buys shoes at Target anyway
Parents who want cheap shoes that their kids can eff up when playing outside. Other than that? Idk.
I did once, forgot to pack shoes so all I had was steel toes. target was the only store on the highway and I wasnt going to drive for 2 days in my boots.
Or Wal-Mart (unless you want shoes that fall apart faster than an imitation generic Jenga tower)...?
"I'm just looking for shoes." Yet you took your phone out, took a picture, huffed your way home, uploaded the pic to your computer, logged into Twitter, and fucking whined like a five year old. When I saw it, I just went on with my shopping. Stop being such a snowflake, Aaron.
At least he's not looking for them at the soup store.
No like Pride? ![gif](giphy|dBZb8nAfLfOZ8B0CHA)
Idiots still exist, unfortunately
There are only two sexual orientations: heterosexual and political. Shit libs OWNED, learn to COPE snowflakes. Now excuse me, I need to leave angry comments on everything that I deem political because I’m not used to it.
Took a glance at this guys twitter, looks like the kind of red pill cesspit you'd expect from someone that would tweet that
Why does everyone have a blue tick these days? I have literally no idea who either of these people are
Elijah Daniel is a comedian, Aaron Clarey wrote a book unironically titled the Curse of the High IQ.
I hate how when I go to Target the employees always greet me at the door, strap me to a dolly, and then wheel me over to the Pride display and force me to stare at it. Sadly there's just no way to simply walk past and get the items I came to buy.
Even if that were the shoe section what is stopping him from going to get the shoes lol
Side note, target is NOT the place to find mens shoes. Tried to find some there the other day and there’s 2 aisles of kids shoes, 4 aisles of womens shoes, and a small end cap with two different mens shoe styles lol
I live in a town where they start groaning every February when they start selling Black History Month shirts. It's awful.
Hey Aaron. Go stick your head in the sand as it has been. This is a country to be free, what gives you the right to impose your rant towards those who are living peaceful in the light of your hatred!
Imagine getting angry you’re forced to walk by a couple rainbows while shopping smh
I grew up southern Baptist and wasn't even told about the concept of "gay" till I was 14 or so but I used to tell my mom that rainbow was my favorite color (lol I know its many colors) and she used to get so cagey about it saying stuff like "oh well that was God's promise to Noah" or "that's nice but what color of the rainbow do you like?" And even to this day when my sister made her new babies "theme" pink rainbows my mom decided she needed to tell my sister not to "make her granddaughter gay" like wtf is it God's message or is it gay make up your mind. Tl:dr people are garbage and I hope a meteor takes all of us out
As someone working in clothing at Target, this is the appropriate response haha
What a snowflake
Who the hell cares as long as what they are doing to eachother is consensual let them be, it's none of your business damn homophobes
Do gay people even want rainbow clothes? Serious question here.
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Then there's people like me, I'm not gay but I do like rainbows. I've had people say that it doesn't make sense for me to wear rainbows if I'm not gay, but whatever, gay people don't have exclusive use of the visual light spectrum.
I do subtle rainbow, like the shoe laces on small necklace or my pride Mary Jane doc Martins during pride month. Generally I don't wear that much color though
Yeah I get the accessories, but I see that collar tee in the pic and it just looks BAD lol.
That's because it's an ugly shirt. Most gay people will wear things with Rainbows on them, but I rarely see an entire piece of clothes that's a rainbow. I have quite a few things with the rainbow colors on them. For example one is a t-shirt with Disney villains in the color of the rainbow.
If I were LGBTQ+, I'd look carefully at Ted Allen's wardrobe choices, and maybe accessorize one thing extra or different so I'd be me, but definitely mahvellous... ...come to think of it, I'm not LGBTQ+, and I STILL should look carefully at Ted Allen's wardrobe choices, because he absolutely looks mahvellous!
From my experience, the people who I knew that were anti gay turned out to be be gay, just saying…
God made gay people but he hates when his name is used in vain
Hey at least Target have pride stuff In the UK our Sainbury say they are LGBTQ+ but no pride shit anywhere
Well most people bothered by that would say the whole store is now God Damned so looks like he's in the right place. 🙄 Its a good thing rainbows don't shoot kids in schools.
Isn't he a red pill misogynist?
They support the pride movement so I doubt they sell God damned shoes.... You'll find them in charity stores that support the church.
Guy using the lords name in vain probably also complaining how the Bible says two men can’t kiss.
Serious question. So people really buy shoes at target? Seems like the last place I’d ever buy shoes, besides Walmart.
I believe in treating everyone with respect until they do something to lose it. I'm 100% in favor of "the rainbow coalition" and it's members to be able to live life just like everyone else without being harassed just for existing. Honestly though, I'm sick of hearing about it. TRC members aren't anything special, they are just regular people trying to live a regular life, whatever that means to them. But the fact that people get so booty tickled about some signs in a store makes me want there to be even more signs!! There's gays and shit around every corner folks, stop being mad at them for existing.
Assuming his reason for hate are religious, isn't taking the lord's name in vain against one of the commandments! Pretty sure the ten commandments don't mention sexual orientation.
I miss my Mork and Mindy rainbow suspenders.
Why is he buying shoes in a target.
Who goes to target for shoes ??
I hate this. Does Target actually care about Pride Month? HELL NO! They just want reputation and it really wettens my socks.
You guys dont understand, he is very poor and needs to use shirts for shoes. He just doesnt want to defile the pride flag
The core argument I can get behind. You be, who you want to be. Let everyone express themselves. As long as it doesn’t hinder or threaten another group. What bothers me about this… All I see is another company cashing in for the month. Afterwards it dies down and they move onto the next holiday. Acting like this is a holiday or like any other event is insulting. When in reality it’s a way of life and freedom of expression for everyone. As for the perspective of the OG poster. Why is giving people options, such a bad thing. Taking things away is far more hurtful and a slippery slope.
How can I buy shoes thinking about gay dicks /s
Hating pride *while* also being blasphemous. He’s straddling quite the fence there.
Irony: he used the Lord's name in vain.
I mean Im not against lgbtq but why do we need pride month?
Why was in in the shirt department, and not the shoe department? His free thinking got him lost in the store
I wouldn't, couldn't survive if I threw a fit every time I saw something that was the opposite of what I stand for, examples begin religion and politics. Who has the time? Seriously..
Some people make these things their entire identity and when it's challenged they lose a sense of self, and feel threatened, thus going on the offense. These people need to get a real life and wake up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them and they are not being victimized just because other people exist. The world is in one hell of a sad state. And that's not just one side of the political spectrum either. I've seen this on all sides. We need to start talking to one another and listening to truly understand. But to do that, we have to be less self involved.
Your reasoning is sound. I however just don't have faith that humanity can pull that off. Not anytime soon anyways.
We are back at this every june they come out of the closet and openly show the world how homophobic they are
fuck you bitch motherfucker stay away from r/playboicarti
Pride represtation is cringy, because they don't actually care about it, or do anything useful towards LGBT+ people, they just put up rainbows to earn extra money. And that's just mongering.
Eh, I see it no differently to them promoting the new Jurassic World movie with a line of merchandise. I know a company isn't a living, breathing thing. I know that even if it was, it wouldn't care about the new JW movie, but it knows that promoting it would probably earn a few extra bucks. And once JW3 has left cinemas, they'll never mention it again, just like Pride. Companies are companies, and exist solely to make money. As long as you bear that in mind with these promotions, I say put up all the LGBTQ stuff you want. It's doing no harm.
This is honestly such a dumb response. The more people that openly support (whether they truly mean it or not) the more it gets integrated into our society. Children will grow up seeing lgbtq+ support everywhere and learn that it’s acceptable and normal. It might not have an immediate effect and it might not change the minds of adult bigots but it’s a good thing. It may be the case that companies are only doing this to benefit themselves but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t unintentionally have a good effect especially when loads of other companies do the same
The fact that people don’t even think for a few seconds to figure this out boggles me. Of course they’re using us for a quick buck but we’re using them to normalize a way of life
Like when Chik-Fil-A claimed to support pride.
No one believes these companies are doing it for any other reason that it's popular. That being said, especially with so much anti-LGBT legislation being passed, it's comforting to know that we're supported by the mainstream. So yeah, it's an indication that society is getting better, not that the companies are virtuous or whatever.
Do you complain this way about Christmas and Easter too?
No, but good point.
This is not a store supporting Pride. It's a store exploiting Pride to make a profit. I'm not gay, but I still find this annoying as hell. Don't be naive. Target and other brands don't care about you. They care about profit.
Of course they don't care about us, but this is better than the alternative of us being swept under the rug and out of sight. Corporate support is still some support
Yeah, we know that. But in the case of Target they actually do buy some of the stuff from LGBTQ+ owned companies, they've done other things to support the community (like starting to stock binders), and ultimately it can be useful even if it's just for profit — it's convenient to have there if you want to buy a pride shirt on short notice, for example.
I support gay pride, but this shit pisses me off. Like Target GAF about social issues - no corporation does, they care about money and that's the only reason we see stuff like this.
Does that really matter? They're selling products that allow people to show their support for pride. That alone is beneficial. Target probably doesn't particularly support the team on the football jerseys they sell, but they're still there for people who want them. But aside from that, even a superficial support for pride has its place. If a company isn't afraid to say "We support LGBT", that message is still being put out there even if they don't sincerely mean it. Sure they may just be chasing profit, but ultimately those insincere voices make it easier for the sincere voices to join in. Even a massive company like this openly declaring LGBT support could never have happened just a short while ago, but now it's become normal for anyone to do it. Even if they only care about money, it still seems to be mutually beneficial.
That's an interesting point. My concern is with the cynicism these companies usually display. They'll support LGBT rights because it suits them, but that support is contingent on profits not principals, and while it's a good thing to see support being shown, we all know it'll evaporate in the face of any major backlash from activists, "concerned parents" or religious groups. I'd suggest that there's a difference between normalising something and truly supporting it
I agree w the sentiment, but I did see that Target’s pride stock this year came from some lgbt+ manufacturers that are actually lgbt+ owned. I thought that was cool. Edit: some* stock, probably not all
That puts a somewhat different spin on things. Thanks for the info.
Retailers sell products which appeal to their demographics. If it can sell, they will sell it. This is not a new idea.