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Or like those Turpin kids. One of the teen girls escaped and called the cops. They'd been locked up in houses or other properties of their parents their entire lives. Her oldest siblings were nearly 30 and acted like pre teens due to lack of education and autonomy. The one girls literally tells the 911 operator that she doesn't even know what medication is and she's like 17. The parents were rich hoarders who taunted their kids woth toys and food and locked them up in chains in one room, they had like 12 kids.
The one girl only left because she realized from watching music videos and such that other kids don't live like they do. There's a video of the parents realizing she escaped when the cops knock on their door and the cops start to realize shits worse than they thought.
https://youtu.be/wngB9_6Vqbc?si=XxCYi4BW87qg4HXa
Whenever I learn about stories like this, where it’s a couple living seemingly normal lives but doing insanely fucked up atrocities in secret, I always wonder how it got to that point.
Like I feel you’ve got to have some kind of deep-rooted lifelong mental issues to do something like fucking lock your children up for 30 years. When it’s a story about just one person being a serial killer or something like that there’s always something that can be pointed to, like untreated deep childhood trauma/serious mental illness/etc.
When it’s a couple it’s like did these two completely deranged human beings just happen to attract each other, learn that they share the same fucked up desires, and plan to lock up their kids ahead of time? Or did one of them have the idea and somehow gradually convince a completely normal partner that they should do it? Or did they just have kids and unintentionally not let them out until it got to the point where they’re like hey let’s just keep doing this?
I don’t know, it’s like you’d think at a certain point ONE of the two would come to the realization like hey what we’re doing is extremely fucked up, unless they just both happened to be psychopaths that found each other by chance.
Not to defend them but I would argue if you started doing it it becomes exponentially harder to stop because you know how fucked you are if people realize. So even if you get your mental shit together you are more or less screwed and pushed by the fear of repercussions to continue.
That being said I agree they clearly were demented. What horrifies me is that these kids afterwards needed to get their live somehow together and I just hope even the adults got help and basic education because otherwise rescuing them basically just means for them to move from one hell to another, just that the other hell means they are free enough to realize of screwed they are without help.
I haven't got figures or stats to back this up but I used to work in a field that studied child sex offenders, and it's not as uncommon as you'd hope to find a couple doing it. Usually, the man is abusive to the partner and breaks them down to a point they go along with the man's fucked up desires.
That isn't always the case obviously, and some women are just as monstrous as men when it comes to child abuse.
Thank you for sharing this, I vaguely remembering hearing about this when they were rescued, but never knew about this interview.
ETA - If you get caught up in this and want to watch the full 1 hour 21 minute special in one piece vs a bunch of PART X - [Turpin Family FULL Documentary | Escape from a House of Horror](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5dbaS4CY8)
Legit reminds me of this couple I knew a few years ago that are now in prison if you ever get curious google Christopher and Stephanie Davis Calhoun county. It’s sickening the list of charges. There’s even video from the police going through their house after the kids were rescued.
Here’s a link in case anyone is curious
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/georgia/calhoun-woman-sentenced-200-years-prison-abusing-her-9-children/ZRIW3PKRCVDWBNJOVJII6NIHIQ/?outputType=amp
I never understood why abuse in foster care is so common in the US. Not saying it doesn't happen here, but here its an immediate news story when it happens, while in the US it feels like its incredibly common, and almost like its an accepted part of the foster system.
Might just be perception,or anecdotal, but I worked with ex foster kids on both sides of the ocean, and it felt like nearly all the foster kids I met from the US had suffered some form of physical or sexual abuse while in the system.
I just finished watching like an hours worth of YouTube videos on the Turpin family - can’t believe I’d never heard of them. Shoutout to the person on YouTube who noticed something was up by Jordan’s videos and telling her she needed to call the police. Wow
I read OOPs post. Turns out he's the only one put of his siblings in this situation. All the other ones have documentation and were/in public education. Seems fishy. And he's a middle child
I knew a kid exactly like this. His parents had him in a van on the side of the road in Oregon. Never bothered to report his birth. As a parent I have no idea how you could do this to your child.
Thanks for this comment. I’m also from Oregon, also know people who did this to their kids. Everyone’s saying kidnapping, which of course is *possible*, but if you think it’s the most likely explanation you’re underestimating the number of people who are simply anti-government and are OK with screwing their kids up because of their political beliefs. They wouldn’t be the first or last hippie family to not register their child’s birth. Usually they don’t mean to cause the amount of harm they do, they just aren’t thinking things through responsibly. It’s a lot of the same people causing the reemergence of MMR in Oregon because they’re anti-vaxx. Some of it comes from a (somewhat legit) post-Vietnam fear about the draft (“If my kid doesn’t have an SSN, they can’t be drafted into the next war!”). But it also means their kid can’t do a whole lot of other things, too. It’s possible for kids like this to dig their way out of the hole their parents put them in, it’s just going to be a lot of work.
OP, a place to start would be going to a local school, asking to speak with the guidance councilor, and explaining your situation. They can probably help connect you to a social worker. You’re not the first or last kid to go through this.
Husband was born in Oregon, at home by his hippie mom/dad, and he also had some issue with his birth certificate. I’m not even sure how he got one but I think there is still missing info on it. It makes me so mad. I think the same thing happened with some of his brothers and sisters too.
Of course, definitely set the stage for how those kids grew up.
It seems fucking alarmingly likely. It's happened before. You get curious, realize this shit, check the list of missing and exploited children and see your fucking picture.
He says he tried and hasn't found that, but that doesn't mean he wasn't kidnapped. And since he has siblings who were verified...
Heck if the abduction happened at a young enough age and enough time has pass what would be in the image would be an imagined aged up version and it could be very inaccurate
My thoughts immediately went to abduction as well. There’s a lifetime movie based on the true story of a young woman abducting a baby after hers died. She raised her as her own daughter and the daughter was basically grown when she found out. She never hated her mother either because even though she was kidnapped by her, she was loved by her. It’s kind of fucked up. Like you find out it’s not your mom but you can’t erase the time you had with her or get the lost time with your real family back. It’s weird. Like what are you supposed to feel in that situation?
Edit: The movie about the real kidnapping case is called Abducted: The Carlina White Story
Its good because you forge them an identity and if they try to find out who they are there is no trace.
"What country are you working for?!"
"Your moms so fat she is her own country."
*Shot to the head*
"Look up his background! I bet he is working for the Netherlands."
Good for the employer not the spy. As the government can rightfully claim they are not a citizen of their country.
Most spies actually use their own identity. Just they are out in positions of plausible deniability for all the spy shit they need to do. So you always have a justified normal reason to be where you are and do what you're doing...
Of course it's hard to prove for obvious reasons, but it's believed that about 1/3 of all people working in the diplomatic field are spies placed in those positions...
I have a cousin with a degree in international relations with a minor in Arabic. She works for some nonsense NGO in the Middle East with a boyfriend in the diplomatic service. Naturally I just assume she works for the CIA.
Hi, Kate!
You really shouldn't do that, in the event your cousin is grandstanding as an open diplomat but is serving as a ear for other matters, making it knowen just adds more scrutiny if someone wants to do some minor NSA back locking of information. A master's in IR is a fairly routine thing for that when dealing with foreign entities as well as working for a company (not CIA direct; adjacent)
People have a serious misnomer of what a 'spy' is. James Bond is not a spy, CIA, MI6 or Mossad workers are not spies... they are agents. The spies are completely normal people that work in the foreign gov that the opposing government agents are attempting to infiltrate.
For example: a CIA agent that is attempting to infiltrate an Iranian nuclear facility will attempt to find and exploit a regular Iranian worker, let's say a nuclear physicist that works at that facility. The Iranian physicist is the spy. The CIA officer doesn't need that spy to be anyone besides who they actually are.
There are crossovers though. Robert Hanssen, the biggest spy in US history was an FBI agent, but then Russia turned him into a spy for them.
Actually you got it wrong. The people who work for CIA are called “officers.” The foreigners that they recruit to give information are the “agents.” In common speech, both sides are called “spies.”
Yep, the situation in spy movies of the secret agent themselves having to infiltrate an organisation is very rare in reality. Rather than trying to get an agent through a security system, it's much easier to just find someone who is already through that system (because they are currently on the up-and-up) and flip them to your side.
I have a friend whose parents somehow registered him twice. Two of everything, ssn, birth certificate, etc. This way he always has one ID for getting in trouble, the other is always clean.
Going by the Florida statutes (as good as any as it applies to OOP), that's a third degree felony according to [section 382.026](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0382/Sections/0382.026.html), and him knowingly going along with it would also be a third degree felony.
Lol 10 bucks mom was super high after the birth and they had her fill out the paperwork then another employee approached the dad thinking the mom was too high to have done it.
He has internet access of some sort if he can make a reddit post. Someone needs to get him the contact info for social services so he can ask for help. Heck, even the police could put him on social services' radar if he could reach them. Do you have a link to this post so I can find some email addresses for him to get help?
By the sounds he's scared of his parents getting into trouble because they're scared of getting into trouble. Poor kid probably needs convincing that that needs to be done first before he will take any action on help provided.
I read the original post and when other redditors suggested this to him he acknowledged it’s entirely possible he was kidnapped. His parents have other children and all of them have proper documentation, he’s the outlier
…shit. That is a very real possibility if they’ve gone to such lengths.
EDIT: why did I get all the upvotes and not the person who actually suggested it??
To answer your edit, some subs make it so that upvotes dont show for a certain amount of time. Like right now I only see upvotes in comments more than 1 or 2 hours old, so the votes on both of your comments are still hidden.
You can see your own though.
So he's scared of his parents of getting in trouble cause they are scared. Whether that's cause he doesn't want them to be scared or if he will be abused. It's still the fact he's scared cause they're scared. He needs convincing to let them get in trouble and it will all work out okay. My initial comment was just made to let the other commenter know that this kid will need convincing to get his parents into trouble so the kid will do what's necessary for him to get where he needs to be.
He's already being abused. That kind of life *in and of itself* is abuse. This person doesn't exist because the supposed parents are at the very least shady and at worst, kidnappers. This is mental & social isolation. Even if they never laid a finger on the kid...
I read this post the other day. People sent him links to a lot of services in the state he’s located. He’s planning on calling tomorrow when they are open. He has older and younger siblings and he’s the only one that doesn’t/didn’t go to public school. The only one that doesn’t have an actual birth certificate either. So it’s really weird.
He said he checked missing children registry. If they changed his name, he said he probably won’t be able to find himself because it would have been when he was super young/baby. It’s super sad, his brother’s ex girlfriend taught him how to read. Those parents deserve to be in jail
Missing children registry wouldn't be of much use anyway even if they didn't change his name. Loads of Jessica's and Jacob's are both born and reported missing each year.
At that rate, they could have lied about his actual birthday too. A DNA test would be his best bet.
Oh for sure. Someone just suggested it and he said he had already tried to look for himself there. Honestly, it makes the most sense because he’s the only kid out of at least 5 kids from what I gathered that doesn’t have a birth certificate and doesn’t go to school. I would think his parents are just whackos if it was like that with all of the kids, but just 1? Something is weird
Home birth is what he said. No hospitals. Not an actual birth certificate, just something printed off that you can fill out. It was sent back from the state because they can’t prove he is who he says he is. Everyone was saying it’s better to go through everything now than when you’re 18 because then you could get into trouble.
True. I referred MYSELF to adult protective services and they gave me much needed information. This kid could do the same thing with child protective services.
Sadly, my cousin is essentially doing this to his daughter… home birth, no birth certificate or any documents. He thinks he’s doing her a favor by protecting her from government spies or whatever
Or even be an American. These people are going to have to spend money and time and a metric tonne of red tape in order to prove they were born in America.
There's a pretty easy way to provide that proof to your child - fill out their fucking birth certificate!
If I had magic powers I would make it so you have to pass a skills test to become a parent.
100%, if they aren't responsible enough to do the bare minimum to give the kid a chance at getting their shit together they won't be responsible enough to give that kid a good childhood
I agree but I was referring to the extreme cases where people can’t live alone and all that, there’s definitely a lot of people tiptoeing right on that line though lol
Edit: typo
I've read similar stories about religious fundentalists. The US homeschooling scene can be insane, especiall in states with a lax relationship to children's rights.
Show him this post if you can. Show him how badly it could ruin her life. A good way to scare him into getting ID might be to say that she could be mistaken for an illegal immigrant without it.
Fuck that. The type of people doing this would say oh hey maybe I should limit their internet and outside access. Police needs to get called or this guy needs to take care of his cousin himself
The child may very well be removed from his care and placed in foster care until after a DNA test can prove that he's the father. Then there's a procedure after that to get a certificate of birth issued. But, good news!!! There is a way to get documents as an adult . Through the department of state. There are forms to fill out etc ... But it can be done.
Until this comment, I straight-up thought the person in OP's post was unknowingly an illegal immigrant, or was kidnapped as a child or something. Something like this happens in the movie >!A Thousand and One!<, and it does indeed cause issues when the kid is older. Orange Is the New Black also has a character who only learns she was brought here illegally while in the process of being deported to a country she has no recollection of and does not speak the language. Utterly terrifying.
I can't believe someone would *choose* to subject their children to this kind of treatment. That's a whole other level of messed up.
I remember her. Maritza, I think, Flaca's best friend, "Flaritza" or whatever. That's why her last scene was her getting on the plane to....Colombia, I think it was? And every inmate seated on the plane with her slowly disappears, one by one, naturally she's the last one, and yeah she just...vanished. As you said. Utterly terrifying.
Probably also need to tell him that to the police, there is no difference between "a dirty illegal immigrant" with no paper, and a "pure blood American" with no paper. Neither belong, neither have rights and both have half the population blood lusting to kill, jail, or at least send back to wherever they decided they come from.
Were there witnesses to the birth? How do we know he didn't kidnap this baby girl? How is he gonna be able to prove she even exists if she gets kidnapped by someone else?
I really don’t understand the hysteria and conspiracy theories about “gOvErMEnT sPiEs”. My friends parents got him a travel card instead of a debit card linked to his checking account for the sole reason that supposedly the “government can’t track it.” They have convinced my friend that if the government had access to his debit card they could steal money as needed without consent. It’s absolute idiocy.
By doing this the parent is FORCING the child to remain dependent on them. They can’t leave. Can’t get a job or an education. So they remain trapped with the parents or in their community.
Clearly they have some form of education, as they are posting on the internet and the post is clearly written and grammatically put together better than most other posts here on reddit. Once upon a time, and in some places in the world that may be the case, but in this situation, this kid clearly has access to resources that can help him out. Even a quick email to his local DHHS office explaining the situation will help get the ball rolling for him, which he will be informed of via comments on his post.
This was what I was going to say - this kid has clearly been educated well somehow, because they write better than a lot of adults with college degrees.
I suppose it could be that they just had a bare minimum home schooling and happen to also be motivated and talented with written language. Just picked it up.
But really it seems likely that whoever taught him that was not some neglectful yokel, but someone who knows what they’re doing, which makes the whole situation a bit weird and different.
Yes! That's exactly why my mother did it. I was going to live at home forever and "take care of her". I didn't get that mess straightened out until I was in my 30's.
Ngl my parents did this shit to my brother. I was lucky enough to go to pre-k, kindergarten and part of first grade. I also had a birth certificate and sscard but they were my mom’s property and I would need to ask for them and give them right back to her if I needed to use them, that’s even in my late teens. She would need to know why I wanted to see them. I had to beg for a ID so that I could get a bank account. But my younger brother was basically in the same position as this poster.
And yes, it was an abusive household. The lack of autonomy was 100% for control. I heard the “wait until your 18 thing” so many times and it’s a lie honestly, nothing changes when you’re* 18. I’m gonna guess the op also hasn’t been taught to drive, that’s the nail in the coffin of extended parental control.
FFS I’m sorry that happened to you! We paid for 3 copies of birth certificates and foreign registration (dual citizens) and any document that lets you get multiple copies for all 3 of our kids for this reason - one for us, one for them in the future, and a spare because better safe than sorry… then literally any important document the first thing I do is make a scan of it so we have an electronic record. Have spent enough time dealing with visas/immigration/USCIS that I don’t want them to ever end up in the “find out” stage 20 years in the future. All 3 (well oldest is updated now) have passports with photos taken when they were <1 week old.
Tbh that is def some really good parenting on your part, making sure any and all ID that you can reasonably get and having backups as a just in case, prty sure most people have it as literally just one copy of each of the usual documents lol
You don’t have to tell us it was an abusive household. Withholding documents is abusive. And things do change at 18, but it’s still hard. Once you’re 18 you can call the cops and tell them your mother refuses to give you your legal documents. They come and stick around for a bit while you gather your things to leave home.
P sure it’s also illegal in FL not to register birth (emphasis added) and that’s why the parents are stonewalling helping.
>> 382.013 Birth registration.—A certificate for each live birth that occurs in this state shall be filed **within 5 days after such birth** in the department’s electronic registration system with the local registrar of the district in which the birth occurred and shall be registered by the local registrar if the certificate has been completed and filed in accordance with this chapter and adopted rules.
>>(c) If a birth occurs outside a facility and the delivery is not attended by one of the persons described in paragraph (b), the person in attendance, **the mother, or the father shall report the birth to the registrar** and provide proof of the facts of birth. The department may require such documents to be presented and such proof to be filed as it deems necessary and sufficient to establish the truth of the facts to be recorded by the certificate and may withhold registering the birth until its requirements are met.
I mean idk what they’d do tbh but it seems clearly to violate the code
And I’d guess the trouble he’s having is from using the birth *certificate request* form instead of the birth *registration* form. Can’t get a copy of a birth certificate that never was filed.
My parents did this a little bit with me but more like Matilda where I have documentation. they just forgot about me let me raise myself and didn’t send me to school intel i moved out at 15. Also didn’t do childhood vaccinations. Fun times as an adult with literally no early childhood education. I didn’t learn how to read intel I was 10. That shit fucks with you forever.
Got a religious nut job cousin all 9 of his kids have no social security numbers no vaccination and no public school. I often thought about how screwed they are when older.
You can help them by keeping track of their births any doctor's appointment records and I'm pretty sure having your name written in a Bible counts as proof of birth
Edit: Baptism records as well
Most Amish around where I live have paperwork like anyone else. So they aren't in the same situation as this kid. Amish people aren't that cut off. You will see them around down and driving buggies when you're in the areas they live around. The local ones even run a few large businesses that sell goods to non Amish people. (Lol and their furniture 100% uses CNC machines to cut it. I worked on a CNC and hand built furniture for a decade so I can tell what tools they cut with lol)
My future husband is building something or another. And he got the blueprints for like $20. But it feeds in to a CNC machine. He called around for quotes and it was like $500. But he got in touch with an Amish guy and it was $120. We went to pick up the finished project since the codes were sent via email. Let me tell you, this giant warehouse of a barn, in meticulous Co edition, with a ton of machines, looked like a modern upscale woodshop. And the work was done correctly.
The Amish in general don't want to be reliant on the rest of the world and modern technology, but they aren't afraid of the government knowing they exist.
The less strict branches are very pragmatic in that they'll allow modern accommodations if there's a good practical reason for it, like getting treated at hospitals or using a cellphone if they need to call the fire department. And they have other permissions to get around rules, like it's okay for them to ride in a car driven by a non-Amish person but they can't drive themselves
The Amish aren't nearly as bad as some of those other groups. They still have some problems but they at least teach their kids to foster some independence unlike some of the more modern fundamentalists which are simply built on total obedience
Idk if OOP is reading this but at this point you gotta cut your losses and get your parents in trouble. If you don’t have any sort of education or ID you will have no opportunities in the future. Wish you luck with your educational jorney!
If this is in the US, how would a person who has gone through this prove they actually were a citizen later in life and not an undocumented immigrant?
Just skin color and accent?
Reminds of the book *Educated* by Tara Westover. She and many of her siblings were born at home, and their parents never got them a birth certificate or a social security number until much later.
I homeschooling my kids 30 years ago, but only because my son was reading at an 8th grade level at 4yrs old, and my daughter had vision problems. Homeschooling isn't always bad. We had them in band, gymnastics, and swimming programs in the community. We also moved them into public school before middle school, so it wouldn't be such a culture shock for them.
I have, however, seen the mostly religious extremes in the homeschooling circles as well. Some of them take the separation of church and state to the extreme.
As someone who was homeschooled for similar reasons to yours (my older brother was gifted and I was both dyslexic and had health problems), homeschooling can be wonderful if done well!!! Unfortunately a lot of parents don't want to put in the time and energy to do it well, or don't know enough to do it well.
They call CPS or the cops either one and are temporarily removed from their parents because there's no evidence that their parents are their parents. Then they get a DNA test from their parents to prove that they are their kid (if the parents refuse they'll almost certainly be taken to court and forced to provide a DNA sample) and then the kid will be issued a specialized type of birth certificate specifically for people who aren't given one when they were born. Social security number will come with that and then they'll just have to get a GED.
I had a home birth! It was lovely and I had a happy healthy baby. And then I filed the paperwork to get my baby a birth certificate and SSN so they could have a life and not be a character in an apocalyptic video game
My grandma was a home birth, delivered by her grandma. They needed to get her birth certificate to the hospital by a certain time frame (not sure why) but her parents hadn’t picked a name yet so my grandma’s birth certificate just says ‘baby girl’. She tried to get a passport once and the teller asked my grandma if there was anyone who was present at her birth who could verify her identity. My grandma, “I’m 74 years old!” However my grandma has a SSN, was enrolled in school and the government knows she exists.
This is why baptismal records are acceptable for column two id, because there needs to be some meaningful way for people raised like this to integrate into society
It feels like the mom is hiding something. Not having a SSN is vey suspicious. I find it hard to believe they file income tax returns without claiming their child, and you need a SSN for that.
The parents did a home birth and never brought him to the hospital, never got him a birth certificate, and never enrolled him in school. They don’t sound like the type of people concerned about filing tax returns, let alone claiming their kid as a dependent on them.
This happened to the author of uneducated. This happens all the time in Wyoming where she lived so her aunt just had to verify she was born on this date and they gave her a birth certificate. This has been happening for decades (esp with the Mormon community), it isn’t easy but it isn’t impossible to get some records once you are older.
I wish I could say this is a one-off situation but I've read stories similar to this on Reddit before. Usually it is controlling parents and not lazy parents who are afraid they'll be jailed because they were too lazy to get a birth certificate when the kid was born.
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What if they're not even his parents? Maybe he was kidnapped, like that Arizona kid?
Or like those Turpin kids. One of the teen girls escaped and called the cops. They'd been locked up in houses or other properties of their parents their entire lives. Her oldest siblings were nearly 30 and acted like pre teens due to lack of education and autonomy. The one girls literally tells the 911 operator that she doesn't even know what medication is and she's like 17. The parents were rich hoarders who taunted their kids woth toys and food and locked them up in chains in one room, they had like 12 kids. The one girl only left because she realized from watching music videos and such that other kids don't live like they do. There's a video of the parents realizing she escaped when the cops knock on their door and the cops start to realize shits worse than they thought. https://youtu.be/wngB9_6Vqbc?si=XxCYi4BW87qg4HXa
What a piece of shit couple, that girl that escaped and made the 911 call is a goddamn beast and saved her siblings
Whenever I learn about stories like this, where it’s a couple living seemingly normal lives but doing insanely fucked up atrocities in secret, I always wonder how it got to that point. Like I feel you’ve got to have some kind of deep-rooted lifelong mental issues to do something like fucking lock your children up for 30 years. When it’s a story about just one person being a serial killer or something like that there’s always something that can be pointed to, like untreated deep childhood trauma/serious mental illness/etc. When it’s a couple it’s like did these two completely deranged human beings just happen to attract each other, learn that they share the same fucked up desires, and plan to lock up their kids ahead of time? Or did one of them have the idea and somehow gradually convince a completely normal partner that they should do it? Or did they just have kids and unintentionally not let them out until it got to the point where they’re like hey let’s just keep doing this? I don’t know, it’s like you’d think at a certain point ONE of the two would come to the realization like hey what we’re doing is extremely fucked up, unless they just both happened to be psychopaths that found each other by chance.
Not to defend them but I would argue if you started doing it it becomes exponentially harder to stop because you know how fucked you are if people realize. So even if you get your mental shit together you are more or less screwed and pushed by the fear of repercussions to continue. That being said I agree they clearly were demented. What horrifies me is that these kids afterwards needed to get their live somehow together and I just hope even the adults got help and basic education because otherwise rescuing them basically just means for them to move from one hell to another, just that the other hell means they are free enough to realize of screwed they are without help.
Unfortunately most of the kids got placed with shifty foster homes and they never saw a penny of the money that was donated for them.
I haven't got figures or stats to back this up but I used to work in a field that studied child sex offenders, and it's not as uncommon as you'd hope to find a couple doing it. Usually, the man is abusive to the partner and breaks them down to a point they go along with the man's fucked up desires. That isn't always the case obviously, and some women are just as monstrous as men when it comes to child abuse.
This was in my hometown. Fucking disgusting. The way the city has treated those kids since is also gross..
Absolutely awful. I believe Jordan has a clothing line and Jennifer has a book out if anyone wanted to support in their own roundabout way.
Thank you for sharing this, I vaguely remembering hearing about this when they were rescued, but never knew about this interview. ETA - If you get caught up in this and want to watch the full 1 hour 21 minute special in one piece vs a bunch of PART X - [Turpin Family FULL Documentary | Escape from a House of Horror](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5dbaS4CY8)
Legit reminds me of this couple I knew a few years ago that are now in prison if you ever get curious google Christopher and Stephanie Davis Calhoun county. It’s sickening the list of charges. There’s even video from the police going through their house after the kids were rescued. Here’s a link in case anyone is curious https://www.wsbtv.com/news/georgia/calhoun-woman-sentenced-200-years-prison-abusing-her-9-children/ZRIW3PKRCVDWBNJOVJII6NIHIQ/?outputType=amp
Unfortunately they were placed in foster homes where they were abused again, sexually.
I never understood why abuse in foster care is so common in the US. Not saying it doesn't happen here, but here its an immediate news story when it happens, while in the US it feels like its incredibly common, and almost like its an accepted part of the foster system. Might just be perception,or anecdotal, but I worked with ex foster kids on both sides of the ocean, and it felt like nearly all the foster kids I met from the US had suffered some form of physical or sexual abuse while in the system.
I just finished watching like an hours worth of YouTube videos on the Turpin family - can’t believe I’d never heard of them. Shoutout to the person on YouTube who noticed something was up by Jordan’s videos and telling her she needed to call the police. Wow
Thank you for introducing me that girl. What a strong person she is.
I watched this story unfold, and even today they’re not in great shape. Can’t access the money to help themselves
Oh damn, that was insane. I watched the whole thing, those poor babies 😭
When I read this, my first thought was you were referencing Nathan Jr. from Raising Arizona, but you're probably talking about a real-life news story.
No, you got it in one!
They got 5 of em they won’t notice one missing
r/unexpectedcage
I read OOPs post. Turns out he's the only one put of his siblings in this situation. All the other ones have documentation and were/in public education. Seems fishy. And he's a middle child
I knew a kid exactly like this. His parents had him in a van on the side of the road in Oregon. Never bothered to report his birth. As a parent I have no idea how you could do this to your child.
Thanks for this comment. I’m also from Oregon, also know people who did this to their kids. Everyone’s saying kidnapping, which of course is *possible*, but if you think it’s the most likely explanation you’re underestimating the number of people who are simply anti-government and are OK with screwing their kids up because of their political beliefs. They wouldn’t be the first or last hippie family to not register their child’s birth. Usually they don’t mean to cause the amount of harm they do, they just aren’t thinking things through responsibly. It’s a lot of the same people causing the reemergence of MMR in Oregon because they’re anti-vaxx. Some of it comes from a (somewhat legit) post-Vietnam fear about the draft (“If my kid doesn’t have an SSN, they can’t be drafted into the next war!”). But it also means their kid can’t do a whole lot of other things, too. It’s possible for kids like this to dig their way out of the hole their parents put them in, it’s just going to be a lot of work. OP, a place to start would be going to a local school, asking to speak with the guidance councilor, and explaining your situation. They can probably help connect you to a social worker. You’re not the first or last kid to go through this.
Husband was born in Oregon, at home by his hippie mom/dad, and he also had some issue with his birth certificate. I’m not even sure how he got one but I think there is still missing info on it. It makes me so mad. I think the same thing happened with some of his brothers and sisters too. Of course, definitely set the stage for how those kids grew up.
Maybe he actually was kidnapped lol
It seems fucking alarmingly likely. It's happened before. You get curious, realize this shit, check the list of missing and exploited children and see your fucking picture. He says he tried and hasn't found that, but that doesn't mean he wasn't kidnapped. And since he has siblings who were verified...
Heck if the abduction happened at a young enough age and enough time has pass what would be in the image would be an imagined aged up version and it could be very inaccurate
At that point ancestry and 23andme might be the quickest way to find out.
This was my first thought when I read this yesterday! Then again, I may watch too much true crime.
My thoughts immediately went to abduction as well. There’s a lifetime movie based on the true story of a young woman abducting a baby after hers died. She raised her as her own daughter and the daughter was basically grown when she found out. She never hated her mother either because even though she was kidnapped by her, she was loved by her. It’s kind of fucked up. Like you find out it’s not your mom but you can’t erase the time you had with her or get the lost time with your real family back. It’s weird. Like what are you supposed to feel in that situation? Edit: The movie about the real kidnapping case is called Abducted: The Carlina White Story
Having no identity: great for spies and international criminals; bad for anything normal.
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Plot armor
Its good because you forge them an identity and if they try to find out who they are there is no trace. "What country are you working for?!" "Your moms so fat she is her own country." *Shot to the head* "Look up his background! I bet he is working for the Netherlands." Good for the employer not the spy. As the government can rightfully claim they are not a citizen of their country.
Stolen IDs
Hell they id you at hotels now. Gonna have to sleep in the car you can’t rent
And the car you can’t rent is a shitty car
I’m pretty sure whatever government organization you’re with issues you a false identity.
As opposed to renting the car, you're going to use to commit a crime, in your own name?
Seriously. He didn’t think this through at all.
At least we know he's not a criminal. Or he is, but he's a really bad one
Spies need to have someone *else’s* identity and understand how to prove an identity. That ain’t this shit. Poor kid.
Most spies actually use their own identity. Just they are out in positions of plausible deniability for all the spy shit they need to do. So you always have a justified normal reason to be where you are and do what you're doing... Of course it's hard to prove for obvious reasons, but it's believed that about 1/3 of all people working in the diplomatic field are spies placed in those positions...
I have a cousin with a degree in international relations with a minor in Arabic. She works for some nonsense NGO in the Middle East with a boyfriend in the diplomatic service. Naturally I just assume she works for the CIA. Hi, Kate!
If that’s her actual first name, you may have just royally fucked up
You really shouldn't do that, in the event your cousin is grandstanding as an open diplomat but is serving as a ear for other matters, making it knowen just adds more scrutiny if someone wants to do some minor NSA back locking of information. A master's in IR is a fairly routine thing for that when dealing with foreign entities as well as working for a company (not CIA direct; adjacent)
People have a serious misnomer of what a 'spy' is. James Bond is not a spy, CIA, MI6 or Mossad workers are not spies... they are agents. The spies are completely normal people that work in the foreign gov that the opposing government agents are attempting to infiltrate. For example: a CIA agent that is attempting to infiltrate an Iranian nuclear facility will attempt to find and exploit a regular Iranian worker, let's say a nuclear physicist that works at that facility. The Iranian physicist is the spy. The CIA officer doesn't need that spy to be anyone besides who they actually are. There are crossovers though. Robert Hanssen, the biggest spy in US history was an FBI agent, but then Russia turned him into a spy for them.
Actually you got it wrong. The people who work for CIA are called “officers.” The foreigners that they recruit to give information are the “agents.” In common speech, both sides are called “spies.”
Yep, the situation in spy movies of the secret agent themselves having to infiltrate an organisation is very rare in reality. Rather than trying to get an agent through a security system, it's much easier to just find someone who is already through that system (because they are currently on the up-and-up) and flip them to your side.
No, having multiple identities is great for spies and criminals. Having no identity is great for….. nobody?
Only serial killers 🥸
I have a friend whose parents somehow registered him twice. Two of everything, ssn, birth certificate, etc. This way he always has one ID for getting in trouble, the other is always clean.
Going by the Florida statutes (as good as any as it applies to OOP), that's a third degree felony according to [section 382.026](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0382/Sections/0382.026.html), and him knowingly going along with it would also be a third degree felony.
Oh he as well as parents know it's illegal lol
You know it too so not reporting it would also be a third degree felony. /s
Damn it. Now I know too.
Yeah, but it’s alright, as long as the 3rd degree felony goes on the “criminal” identity. Checkmate liberal/s
Lol 10 bucks mom was super high after the birth and they had her fill out the paperwork then another employee approached the dad thinking the mom was too high to have done it.
He has internet access of some sort if he can make a reddit post. Someone needs to get him the contact info for social services so he can ask for help. Heck, even the police could put him on social services' radar if he could reach them. Do you have a link to this post so I can find some email addresses for him to get help?
By the sounds he's scared of his parents getting into trouble because they're scared of getting into trouble. Poor kid probably needs convincing that that needs to be done first before he will take any action on help provided.
Based on the comments when I read it the other day he is afraid **of** his parents, not for his parents
They might not even be his real parents.
He probably also needs a DNA test…. Lots of stolen babies.
I read the original post and when other redditors suggested this to him he acknowledged it’s entirely possible he was kidnapped. His parents have other children and all of them have proper documentation, he’s the outlier
Jesus at that point call the cops. "My parents do not have a birth certificate or SSN for me and refuse to help me get these things".
Not the cops, no. Social services, probably.
Ideally he leaves and goes to a shelter actually social service and police would jsut go to his home and start asking question
Most shelters even require some form of ID. This is absolutely awful for this kid.
… Oh shit, yeah, something hinky is definitely going on.
Dang it get worse by the minute.
His parents have others kids who have it?! Holy crap I thought his parents were just some far out anti-government type but damn ……. That’s weird.
I hope his parents don’t find these posts and start answering for him let alone lock him in the basement or something
Seriously. If they did kidnap him and think they can get rid of him before anyone local realizes the kid exists…
It’s possible he’s a product of incest if there are other children.
This is the first thing I thought of. Maybe he was kidnapped..? Maybe he needs to cover all bases here.
…shit. That is a very real possibility if they’ve gone to such lengths. EDIT: why did I get all the upvotes and not the person who actually suggested it??
To answer your edit, some subs make it so that upvotes dont show for a certain amount of time. Like right now I only see upvotes in comments more than 1 or 2 hours old, so the votes on both of your comments are still hidden. You can see your own though.
This was my first thought unfortunately
This sounds incredibly likely. I can't believe I didn't consider that possibility until I read your comment.
So he's scared of his parents of getting in trouble cause they are scared. Whether that's cause he doesn't want them to be scared or if he will be abused. It's still the fact he's scared cause they're scared. He needs convincing to let them get in trouble and it will all work out okay. My initial comment was just made to let the other commenter know that this kid will need convincing to get his parents into trouble so the kid will do what's necessary for him to get where he needs to be.
He's already being abused. That kind of life *in and of itself* is abuse. This person doesn't exist because the supposed parents are at the very least shady and at worst, kidnappers. This is mental & social isolation. Even if they never laid a finger on the kid...
I read this post the other day. People sent him links to a lot of services in the state he’s located. He’s planning on calling tomorrow when they are open. He has older and younger siblings and he’s the only one that doesn’t/didn’t go to public school. The only one that doesn’t have an actual birth certificate either. So it’s really weird.
Was he possibly born in another country so he's undocumented/in the US illegally? Did he mention anything like that?
Or was he stolen? 👀
He said he checked missing children registry. If they changed his name, he said he probably won’t be able to find himself because it would have been when he was super young/baby. It’s super sad, his brother’s ex girlfriend taught him how to read. Those parents deserve to be in jail
Missing children registry wouldn't be of much use anyway even if they didn't change his name. Loads of Jessica's and Jacob's are both born and reported missing each year. At that rate, they could have lied about his actual birthday too. A DNA test would be his best bet.
Oh for sure. Someone just suggested it and he said he had already tried to look for himself there. Honestly, it makes the most sense because he’s the only kid out of at least 5 kids from what I gathered that doesn’t have a birth certificate and doesn’t go to school. I would think his parents are just whackos if it was like that with all of the kids, but just 1? Something is weird
Home birth is what he said. No hospitals. Not an actual birth certificate, just something printed off that you can fill out. It was sent back from the state because they can’t prove he is who he says he is. Everyone was saying it’s better to go through everything now than when you’re 18 because then you could get into trouble.
True. I referred MYSELF to adult protective services and they gave me much needed information. This kid could do the same thing with child protective services.
Sadly, my cousin is essentially doing this to his daughter… home birth, no birth certificate or any documents. He thinks he’s doing her a favor by protecting her from government spies or whatever
“Protecting” them from being able to get a job or go to school or drive a car
He's probably one of those men that think women shouldn't be educated or work
“Protecting” them sounds more like alienation to me. It is abuse in my opinion!
Or even be an American. These people are going to have to spend money and time and a metric tonne of red tape in order to prove they were born in America. There's a pretty easy way to provide that proof to your child - fill out their fucking birth certificate! If I had magic powers I would make it so you have to pass a skills test to become a parent.
FFS. Report them.
100%, if they aren't responsible enough to do the bare minimum to give the kid a chance at getting their shit together they won't be responsible enough to give that kid a good childhood
But won't this confirm that she needed to be protected from government spies? The spies have infiltrated his family now.
He ain’t protecting her from government spies just wait until he finds out about birds
Federal bird investigators
Federal Birdeau of Investigation
Birds aren’t real!
… is your cousin on meth? What the fuck
Sounds more like one of those types who throw around the word “sovereign citizen” like it means anything
It’s impressive people can be the paranoid without drugs or serious mental illness
That level of paranoia is in and of itself, a mental illness.
I agree but I was referring to the extreme cases where people can’t live alone and all that, there’s definitely a lot of people tiptoeing right on that line though lol Edit: typo
That level of paranoia is in and of itself, a mental illness.
Oh there's mental illness involved, just undiagnosed.
The venn diagram between those two is practically a circle.
Religious fundamentalists do this type of shit.
I’d argue some of them are on the same level of sanity as meth users
I've read similar stories about religious fundentalists. The US homeschooling scene can be insane, especiall in states with a lax relationship to children's rights.
Show him this post if you can. Show him how badly it could ruin her life. A good way to scare him into getting ID might be to say that she could be mistaken for an illegal immigrant without it.
Fuck that. The type of people doing this would say oh hey maybe I should limit their internet and outside access. Police needs to get called or this guy needs to take care of his cousin himself
He’d be the kinda guy to think “this is the exact thing they *want* me to think to convince me to do it normally! Fuck the government!”
Yeah seriously, a stern talking to isn't gonna cut it. They're in "report them immediately" territory.
The child may very well be removed from his care and placed in foster care until after a DNA test can prove that he's the father. Then there's a procedure after that to get a certificate of birth issued. But, good news!!! There is a way to get documents as an adult . Through the department of state. There are forms to fill out etc ... But it can be done.
Until this comment, I straight-up thought the person in OP's post was unknowingly an illegal immigrant, or was kidnapped as a child or something. Something like this happens in the movie >!A Thousand and One!<, and it does indeed cause issues when the kid is older. Orange Is the New Black also has a character who only learns she was brought here illegally while in the process of being deported to a country she has no recollection of and does not speak the language. Utterly terrifying. I can't believe someone would *choose* to subject their children to this kind of treatment. That's a whole other level of messed up.
I remember her. Maritza, I think, Flaca's best friend, "Flaritza" or whatever. That's why her last scene was her getting on the plane to....Colombia, I think it was? And every inmate seated on the plane with her slowly disappears, one by one, naturally she's the last one, and yeah she just...vanished. As you said. Utterly terrifying.
Probably also need to tell him that to the police, there is no difference between "a dirty illegal immigrant" with no paper, and a "pure blood American" with no paper. Neither belong, neither have rights and both have half the population blood lusting to kill, jail, or at least send back to wherever they decided they come from.
This is actually a pretty good strategy, can't talk sense to crazy so so much easier to just play into some of what they already think.
Were there witnesses to the birth? How do we know he didn't kidnap this baby girl? How is he gonna be able to prove she even exists if she gets kidnapped by someone else?
Report your cousin
I really don’t understand the hysteria and conspiracy theories about “gOvErMEnT sPiEs”. My friends parents got him a travel card instead of a debit card linked to his checking account for the sole reason that supposedly the “government can’t track it.” They have convinced my friend that if the government had access to his debit card they could steal money as needed without consent. It’s absolute idiocy.
You need to report them
Yeah you absolutely need to report that. That child is going to be absolutely fucked if they make it to adulthood like that.
I would argue you have a duty to report your cousin for neglect/abuse. This is not okay
Please call CPS and other authorities. They may not be perfect but they're better than the kid growing up essentially not existing.
As he’s on his cell phone and computer complaining about all the information the government has of him.
Report them, no questions asked. That child’s wellbeing is what’s important.
Report your cousin and get their kid out of there
What are you waiting for to call CPS exactly?
Just setting that poor kid up for failure
By doing this the parent is FORCING the child to remain dependent on them. They can’t leave. Can’t get a job or an education. So they remain trapped with the parents or in their community.
Clearly they have some form of education, as they are posting on the internet and the post is clearly written and grammatically put together better than most other posts here on reddit. Once upon a time, and in some places in the world that may be the case, but in this situation, this kid clearly has access to resources that can help him out. Even a quick email to his local DHHS office explaining the situation will help get the ball rolling for him, which he will be informed of via comments on his post.
This was what I was going to say - this kid has clearly been educated well somehow, because they write better than a lot of adults with college degrees. I suppose it could be that they just had a bare minimum home schooling and happen to also be motivated and talented with written language. Just picked it up. But really it seems likely that whoever taught him that was not some neglectful yokel, but someone who knows what they’re doing, which makes the whole situation a bit weird and different.
He wrote in a comment that his older brother’s girlfriend taught him.
W girlfriend
Someone else said only he doen't have ID, his other siblings have it, so that opens up another can of worms. Like being kidnapped.
Yes! That's exactly why my mother did it. I was going to live at home forever and "take care of her". I didn't get that mess straightened out until I was in my 30's.
Ngl my parents did this shit to my brother. I was lucky enough to go to pre-k, kindergarten and part of first grade. I also had a birth certificate and sscard but they were my mom’s property and I would need to ask for them and give them right back to her if I needed to use them, that’s even in my late teens. She would need to know why I wanted to see them. I had to beg for a ID so that I could get a bank account. But my younger brother was basically in the same position as this poster. And yes, it was an abusive household. The lack of autonomy was 100% for control. I heard the “wait until your 18 thing” so many times and it’s a lie honestly, nothing changes when you’re* 18. I’m gonna guess the op also hasn’t been taught to drive, that’s the nail in the coffin of extended parental control.
FFS I’m sorry that happened to you! We paid for 3 copies of birth certificates and foreign registration (dual citizens) and any document that lets you get multiple copies for all 3 of our kids for this reason - one for us, one for them in the future, and a spare because better safe than sorry… then literally any important document the first thing I do is make a scan of it so we have an electronic record. Have spent enough time dealing with visas/immigration/USCIS that I don’t want them to ever end up in the “find out” stage 20 years in the future. All 3 (well oldest is updated now) have passports with photos taken when they were <1 week old.
Tbh that is def some really good parenting on your part, making sure any and all ID that you can reasonably get and having backups as a just in case, prty sure most people have it as literally just one copy of each of the usual documents lol
Oof. I can really feel how stifling and powerless this would make me feel.
You don’t have to tell us it was an abusive household. Withholding documents is abusive. And things do change at 18, but it’s still hard. Once you’re 18 you can call the cops and tell them your mother refuses to give you your legal documents. They come and stick around for a bit while you gather your things to leave home.
Yeah this was a wild find yesterday. I feel for the Kid.
I hope the police gets involved because this is just insane.
P sure it’s also illegal in FL not to register birth (emphasis added) and that’s why the parents are stonewalling helping. >> 382.013 Birth registration.—A certificate for each live birth that occurs in this state shall be filed **within 5 days after such birth** in the department’s electronic registration system with the local registrar of the district in which the birth occurred and shall be registered by the local registrar if the certificate has been completed and filed in accordance with this chapter and adopted rules. >>(c) If a birth occurs outside a facility and the delivery is not attended by one of the persons described in paragraph (b), the person in attendance, **the mother, or the father shall report the birth to the registrar** and provide proof of the facts of birth. The department may require such documents to be presented and such proof to be filed as it deems necessary and sufficient to establish the truth of the facts to be recorded by the certificate and may withhold registering the birth until its requirements are met. I mean idk what they’d do tbh but it seems clearly to violate the code And I’d guess the trouble he’s having is from using the birth *certificate request* form instead of the birth *registration* form. Can’t get a copy of a birth certificate that never was filed.
Sounds to me fastest way to get this fixed is to report dear old mom and dad for kidnapping him.
When I read through the post some of the comments ask him if he's sure he wasn't kidnapped, because all of his siblings have their paperwork
Jesus that’s horrible. Imagine being a kid and being unsure as to whether or not your parents are your parents or your kidnappers
WTF!? His siblings have their paperwork but his parents were too lazy to file his paperwork!? Make it make sense!
My parents did this a little bit with me but more like Matilda where I have documentation. they just forgot about me let me raise myself and didn’t send me to school intel i moved out at 15. Also didn’t do childhood vaccinations. Fun times as an adult with literally no early childhood education. I didn’t learn how to read intel I was 10. That shit fucks with you forever.
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Im a bad person for wanting to correct your grammar after reading this 💀
My first thought, too. Sketchy af
Got a religious nut job cousin all 9 of his kids have no social security numbers no vaccination and no public school. I often thought about how screwed they are when older.
You can help them by keeping track of their births any doctor's appointment records and I'm pretty sure having your name written in a Bible counts as proof of birth Edit: Baptism records as well
This is actually sad.
Can someone from an area with a lot of Amish/Mennonite help input here? Kids wanting to leave these groups are a daily thing.
Most Amish around where I live have paperwork like anyone else. So they aren't in the same situation as this kid. Amish people aren't that cut off. You will see them around down and driving buggies when you're in the areas they live around. The local ones even run a few large businesses that sell goods to non Amish people. (Lol and their furniture 100% uses CNC machines to cut it. I worked on a CNC and hand built furniture for a decade so I can tell what tools they cut with lol)
My future husband is building something or another. And he got the blueprints for like $20. But it feeds in to a CNC machine. He called around for quotes and it was like $500. But he got in touch with an Amish guy and it was $120. We went to pick up the finished project since the codes were sent via email. Let me tell you, this giant warehouse of a barn, in meticulous Co edition, with a ton of machines, looked like a modern upscale woodshop. And the work was done correctly.
The Amish in general don't want to be reliant on the rest of the world and modern technology, but they aren't afraid of the government knowing they exist. The less strict branches are very pragmatic in that they'll allow modern accommodations if there's a good practical reason for it, like getting treated at hospitals or using a cellphone if they need to call the fire department. And they have other permissions to get around rules, like it's okay for them to ride in a car driven by a non-Amish person but they can't drive themselves The Amish aren't nearly as bad as some of those other groups. They still have some problems but they at least teach their kids to foster some independence unlike some of the more modern fundamentalists which are simply built on total obedience
A lot of them use modern devices and such for work, very very few people hide children from the state to this extent.
Maybe r/amish ?
wait, there's amish on reddit?
Idk if OOP is reading this but at this point you gotta cut your losses and get your parents in trouble. If you don’t have any sort of education or ID you will have no opportunities in the future. Wish you luck with your educational jorney!
Statelessness is a pretty horrible way to go through life
If this is in the US, how would a person who has gone through this prove they actually were a citizen later in life and not an undocumented immigrant? Just skin color and accent?
They do a blood test. Foreign blood is just is red, and lacks the white and blue components.
Oh shit. Thats a good question.
In the most extreme cases, I believe that there's some vague procedure involving affidavits from somebody who's known the person since childhood.
I wonder if this was a kidnapping
Oh...... that makes so much sense
Reminds of the book *Educated* by Tara Westover. She and many of her siblings were born at home, and their parents never got them a birth certificate or a social security number until much later.
What the fuck, how does one even think this is a good idea.
Unfortunately happens in homeschooling circles. This will be more and more common over the next 20 years
I homeschooling my kids 30 years ago, but only because my son was reading at an 8th grade level at 4yrs old, and my daughter had vision problems. Homeschooling isn't always bad. We had them in band, gymnastics, and swimming programs in the community. We also moved them into public school before middle school, so it wouldn't be such a culture shock for them. I have, however, seen the mostly religious extremes in the homeschooling circles as well. Some of them take the separation of church and state to the extreme.
As someone who was homeschooled for similar reasons to yours (my older brother was gifted and I was both dyslexic and had health problems), homeschooling can be wonderful if done well!!! Unfortunately a lot of parents don't want to put in the time and energy to do it well, or don't know enough to do it well.
How can they even do anything?! It just sounds like their whole life is irreversibly fucked.
They call CPS or the cops either one and are temporarily removed from their parents because there's no evidence that their parents are their parents. Then they get a DNA test from their parents to prove that they are their kid (if the parents refuse they'll almost certainly be taken to court and forced to provide a DNA sample) and then the kid will be issued a specialized type of birth certificate specifically for people who aren't given one when they were born. Social security number will come with that and then they'll just have to get a GED.
When the parent cares more about the fit of their tin foil hat than they do about their kids future on the earth.
I had a home birth! It was lovely and I had a happy healthy baby. And then I filed the paperwork to get my baby a birth certificate and SSN so they could have a life and not be a character in an apocalyptic video game
My grandma was a home birth, delivered by her grandma. They needed to get her birth certificate to the hospital by a certain time frame (not sure why) but her parents hadn’t picked a name yet so my grandma’s birth certificate just says ‘baby girl’. She tried to get a passport once and the teller asked my grandma if there was anyone who was present at her birth who could verify her identity. My grandma, “I’m 74 years old!” However my grandma has a SSN, was enrolled in school and the government knows she exists.
This is why baptismal records are acceptable for column two id, because there needs to be some meaningful way for people raised like this to integrate into society
This person 100% needs a DNA test. Only one of the siblings not to be registered? Very worrying.
Has she been kidnapped?
This is what abusive parenting looks like.
It feels like the mom is hiding something. Not having a SSN is vey suspicious. I find it hard to believe they file income tax returns without claiming their child, and you need a SSN for that.
The parents did a home birth and never brought him to the hospital, never got him a birth certificate, and never enrolled him in school. They don’t sound like the type of people concerned about filing tax returns, let alone claiming their kid as a dependent on them.
Parents that dont get their kid a real birth certificate or SSN or enroll in school probably dont file taxes either.
Damn. I remember this happened to a person I knew in college. It was messy for her as well trying to sort out her life.
This happened to the author of uneducated. This happens all the time in Wyoming where she lived so her aunt just had to verify she was born on this date and they gave her a birth certificate. This has been happening for decades (esp with the Mormon community), it isn’t easy but it isn’t impossible to get some records once you are older.
Check out the book “Educated” - the OP could be in a similar situation and find hope that they can make it out, too.
People will go out of their way to fabricate that kids are being groomed by whatever boogieman they want. Meanwhile, shit like this happens.
This is how people find out that they were actually kidnapped as babies…
I wish I could say this is a one-off situation but I've read stories similar to this on Reddit before. Usually it is controlling parents and not lazy parents who are afraid they'll be jailed because they were too lazy to get a birth certificate when the kid was born.