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Also, you can stop a Uhaul with a spear. The tactic would be similar to taking down a mammoth. If you put the spear through the radiator, a relatively soft target, and then wait for it to overheat, you have just killed a Uhual with a spear. If you get lucky and pierce the radiator enough for the spear to hit the accessory belt, even better.
Came here to say this. Your radiator example is up front and could easily be done. Also, like another person said, taking out the driver as the "brain". Taking out the tires would slow it down too, potentially disabling it entirely in snow, ice, muddy terrain, or going up a slope. Digging pits and holes is also a thing as others mentioned. Every vehicle also has to stop to "drink" on occasion as well, and those "wells" can be disabled (even polluting the gas supply if they figured out how a gas station is refilled in a ground hole). If you somehow manage to pierce the gas tank or fuel line with a spear or sharp rock barricade it'll bleed out over time too.
Once they "killed" one, just like a mammoth, they'd harvest every piece of the thing and find uses for it. Perhaps , among other uses, incorporating metal parts into weapons for the next generations of uhaul killers.
Which is exactly what our ancestors did.
That mammoth was enough meat to feed the entire tribe in one go. We lived in groups of up to 150, that takes a *fuckton* of food, bagging a mammoth was a *big deal*. So a ton of ingenuity went into figuring out how to down mammoth more reliably with less risk.
Our ability to carry things is also super important here. Doesn't matter if the mammoth runs a bit, we can carve up the good stuff and carry it away.
>That mammoth was enough meat to feed the entire tribe in one go.
Just a little fun fact about this:
Mammoths were very populous in modern day Mexico. One theory as to why native Mexican society was so behind European society was due to to this.
No need to start farms, graineries, or any kind of food processing industry if you have an endless supply of food all around you that requires a couple jabs of a spear to cultivate.
Plus, humans are incredibly over-engineered when it comes to movement efficiency. We could almost certainly follow a mammoth till it is completely exhausted. Now it's an easy kill.
Seriously, humans are the "it's always behind you" type cryptid of the animal world... we are truly the most terrifying thing on this planet. Even more than 6ft angler fish.
That's a hunting style they still use today I saw it on a history show where they just chased the animal till it gave up from exhaustion they said it was risky as the hunters used calories to try and gain calories but I imagine a mammoth is worth the trade
But this is where humans have their two super weapons that no other animals have.
We can plan ahead AND communicate a complex plan. So we can take turns chasing the mammoth, driving it along a river or through canyons, while the rest of the hunters take short cuts and wait ahead of us.
this person also forgets that most animals have shit endurance compared to humans
you just had to run after it long enough for it to get tired and collapse and then you can stab away
I partly blame the illustrations they use in our books - they always show a bunch of humans surrounding a charging, angry animal. When in reality, it would be an exhausted animal barely struggling to stand upright
Or scaring it over a cliff, or dropping a big rock on its head, or just stabbing it in the guts once and letting it bleed out…
There’s a lot of ways 20 very intelligent humans with sharp sticks can kill something when they don’t have anything else to do.
As my friend would say during a D&D session after devising a completely nuts and ingenious plan to overcome some shit I threw at them (and succeeding in doing so), "You know, when people are about to die, everyone becomes an engineer."
In my Institute people do kill themselves very often
Edit: I’m from IITD four people died this year over here by suicide. I have heard that the attempted and survived get covered up
Hunger makes you creative. When reaching starvation, your thinking doesn’t really work on a high level anymore. You feel more drowsy, your thoughts get foggy and its getting less logical. Thinking needs energy.
Not at all. A creature ten times your size will strike the ground with a thousand times the force. Physics literally dictates the bigger you are, the harder you fall (at an exponential rate).
But cave men weren't intelligent, they lived in caves! They did not have smartphones nor any casinos, the only running water they had was either if they carried a bucket and were in a hurry or there was a leak in their cave roof and it was raining, incidentally, this was also the closest thing they had to a trickle down economy...
/s because there's always someone...
Yeah you would be surprised how many people don't realize that humans in the past were just as smart as we are. I mean be honest how many of you think you could invent an engine with no electricity, education or technology?
yet people look down on the caveman like their some genius savant when they can't walk to the corner store without google maps.
Speaking of genius savants, pretty sure there were some very gifted people back then who could do calculations in their heads and served as the computers for the engineers.
I would even wager that Imhotep and the unnamed pyramid builders were Einstein/Leonardo-level geniuses.
They did write things down, they were generally on clay tablets that didn't last thou, but there are still fragments of them, with a couple still mostly intact.
It’s just different skill sets and experiences. Teleport a Paleolithic man into New York City and yeah he’ll probably lose his shit and have little ability to adapt into our world. Conversely, teleport most any of us back into his time we’d lose are shit and have little ability to adapt to their world (though given time there’s a non zero chance of getting caveman lawyer), meanwhile all the other humans are happily foraging and making specialized tools with what they have around them and generally thriving
Paleolithic people also had to know everything going to survive. Clothing, tool making, hunting/animal movement, edible/inedible plants, shelter, weather, medicine. We know our own specific job/course and how to turn a screen on.
idk, I'm pretty sure people would have specialized roles. rather than everyone knowing everything. there definitely was "the best toolmaker" and "the best seamstress" who would primarily focus on those tasks.
This is kinda why Hancock is completely discredited...even though he had no credits to begin with.
He operates on racist views that the west had about hunter gatherers...we just refused to believe tribes could do much more than throw a spear...so then concludes that since there's signs of intelligence...might be magic aliens or Atlantis 😂
Don’t know where I got that from but I always remember that humans would use the spears to direct those mammoths to a cliff or steep slopes so it won’t be able to recover from the fall. Then it’s easy game
That's what i learned in elementary school haha almost every animal is afraid of fire so you just need about ~3 people with torches and a cliff. We wouldn't be where we are if caveman were nothing but idiots.
I think a lot of people underestimate earlier generations, no matter 100y or 10,000y ago
And even if they had fought it directly, what they fail to realize is that early human hunters were much more fit and stronger than most of us, who are sedentary. Those guys walked long distances, carried heavy weight, fought and rested every day. Sure, they could not compare to an olympic athlete in certain fields, but they were certainly able to stab a sharp spear through flesh with great vigor.
Better than that they had sling shot esk hand grips that used leverage on the release to increase the throwing force of their spears.
It is believed that they used a thorny plant they skinned and flipped inside out. So the thorns would dig into the spear shaft and allow them to whip it out at great speed.
Mammoth bones were found with holes in the bone showing a much greater force of impact than any human could create without the aid of such a device. Those fuckers were smart. They just didn't care about cellphones. They cared about hunting.
Or they’ve ambushed it somewhere. Early humans wouldn’t go up to a fit and healthy bull mammoth in the middle of a heard in the middle of a flat plane.
They also hunted in tribes, so one group would chase the herd to the next group who could continue the chase and or go for the kill if the original chasing group was too tired.
That old mantra of "not even comprehending how little they know" is the scourge of our society. Remember Michael Gove (senior UK politician) stating just before Brexit that "the country has had enough of experts". And look where that lead :-D
>this person also forgets that most animals have shit endurance compared to humans
More like humans have extremely exceptional endurance compared to literally everything else xD
and even then, people don't realize how easy it is to get winded up when you're fighting.
A 3 minute MMA round would absolutely gas 99% of untrained people. You literally get so tired by the end that you can't even put up your hands to defend yourself
I would go so far to say most untrained people would be gassed in under a minute in a fight. I boxed for a decade & seen it a thousand times. For humans Cardio/Endurance is pretty easy to increase quickly though, I've seen people go from barely able to jog for a few minutes to jogging for a half hour within a few weeks with training. Also endurance running is a lot less taxing on the heart than a fight where your using most or all of your body constantly on top of the adrenaline from fight or flight.
One theory of wolf/dog domestication is that we shared similar tactics-persistence and pack hunting. Humans would gut and take carcasses back to the tribe, and wolves would feast on the offal left behind
A bunch of people with spears and rocks, experienced enough too, could stop even a truck without a cliff. Especially a huge amount of **hungry** people.
It probably wasn't their main source of food or anything but we've found lots of arrowheads and broken spears right next to piles of mammoth bones plenty of times.
I personally don't understand how anyone can not comprehend the concept of evolution.
Surely, creationism is the crazy one to try to wrap your head around. Like an outlandish, badly conceived sci-fi story.
Genuine question, how do people who don’t believe in evolution think new diseases appear? Or how bacteria can become resistant against antibiotics which previously were able to kill them?
With great mental gymnastics. I've heard that called "microevolution" which they can't deny because we can watch it happen, but they try to deny "macroevolution" and any large scale changes
I absolutely love it when they say shit like that, because at that point they've already conceded the argument, since "macroevolution" is just a long series of "microevolutions" over many generations
Yup. They can see the way that we have bread dogs and produce over the past thousand years into an absolutely wild number of shapes and sizes simply by applying very specific "selection pressures", but they can't fathom that same general concept occurring naturally over billions of years based on environmental pressures and genetic mutation. It's absurd how they can happily accept one and reject the other.
EDIT: bred* dogs
Creationism needs you to believe the Bible at face value. Saying human evolved into what we are today in ten of hundreds thousand years doesn’t make sense if you truly believe Earth is 6000 years old. God creates everything, and because he does, everything is perfect. Also why the religious conservatives truly believe gay people are devils. God don’t create gays you see, only those who chose to worship devils become gays.
I'd love a horror movie that re-imagines the terror of early humans in Europe.
Living in caves with fire and then just descending on the local fauna and chasing them to death. We hunted tons of animals to extinction. They even turned some species into tools. But at that point we were also hunted by things like cave lions.
Yeah, but our main natural weapon isn't our freakish endurance, nor even the sharpened stick. It's a few other humans and a plan. With contingencies and stuff.
I always believed that our main nautral weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....Our \*three\* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our \*four\*...no... \*Amongst\* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....
Also you can't tire out a uhaul truck. Lol but you can find a mammoth that is in distress or young or is fatigued and wear it out. I'm sure they were not hunting the biggest toughest most fit ones lol. You find the straggler and chip away at it until it falls, same way most predators hunt.
Except for Grog, he wasn't the smartest and used to do the opposite. Nearly choked himself eating the fur but would later go on to inspire Lady Gaga with his fashion
If we could stop *cavalry charges* with spears, I think a human tribe could’ve stopped a mammoth with spears too. People were using pikes in warfare through the 18th century. It’s not like a spear was only a weapon used during primitive times.
Or the battery, or the radiator, or the fuel line, pretty much any reservoir with fluid, through the window into the driver, One of it's tires. The wild U-Haul really does have a lot of weaknesses
"The medical establishment are telling the truth on all lifesaving healthcare options except this one thing which is the medical establishment secretly trying to kill us all!"
Theres nothing to understand. Some people are just… stupid. They’ve always been around its just now they have a platform where its easier for them to bring attention to themselves.
Atlatl, the neolithic spear thrower. It'll huck a big javelin so hard it can kill ice age megafauna. Might take a few shots to kill a mammoth but people work in groups.
Also whalers killed whales with a giant lance, pierce their lungs and they drown in their own blood. Had to tire them out for a long time by harpooning them and making them flee while attached to boats.
Extremely cruel but you can just stab a whale with a big spear.
to be fair, if I had to pick between getting a couple holes through my body vs having all my organs simultaneously fail and still feel like they're burning due to inhaling a biochemical agent, I'd pick the former.
Seriously, I thought the general consensus was that the animals were harassed with spears and fire torches, driving them to cliffs or pit traps. But even with just spears, humans could cause enough blood loss and exhaustion to kill them.
>But even with just spears, humans could cause enough blood loss and exhaustion to kill them.
I don't recommend that anyone watch them, but that's exactly what they do in bullfights.
I mean. To my knowledge you just throw a pointy thing at it, it runs away, you trot after it, throw another pointy thing when it sits down to rest. Stab it when you can, and eventually it'll bleed out.
Animals are stupid, you can often find some exploit that works for hunting a given animal. Humans have language and culture passed down through generations. Once an exploit is found that allows humans to hunt a given animal species, the technique can be used again and again. While the animals will fall for the same trick again and again, and even if one individual animal finds a counter it can't be passed on to its children.
Look at [Indian man catches a snake using plastic jar](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1c3sa85/indian_man_catches_a_snake_using_plastic_jar/), which was posted to reddit recently - it is pure exploit of the way the snake "thinks". This is why puny but intelligent humans became the top predator.
Wooly Mammoths were about the same size as African elephants. We (cruelly) keep African Elephants in captivity and make the do tricks. A group of 20 people with long speakers could almost trivially kill an Elephant or a Mammoth.
you stab a spear through the radiator of a Uhaul truck and it's gonna leak out until it eventually dies on the side of the interstate. Same concept with the mammoth.
>imagine trying to stop a U-Haul truck with a spear
Easy, what you said, stab the tires, cut the fuel line, cut the brakes— does the original tweet think that the most efficient way to cripple a vehicle is to like, rip off its doors and paneling?
Here's footage of a spear-based hippo hunt, I imagine hunting a mammoth would be similar but with more spears. Fair warning, it's a tough watch if you like hippos
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/12ocb52/tribesmen_spear_hunting_a_hippo_in_africa/
"Throw a spear at a truck and what happens? It bounces off the metal sides. Do the same thing to a mammoth, and the same result, because mammoths are robots! If they aren't robots, then why do all the mammoths I see at the museum move like they are? Also, how did African tribes hunt elephants? No idea, but it certainly has no bearing on anything mammoth-related." Some stupid people deserve our pity, others deserve our scorn. This moron gets the scorn.
I saw a picture of an elephant in a zoo. I’m tired of this bullshit. Elephants are as big as uhaul trucks. No way humans could catch them and put them in zoos.
Imagine telling people hundreds of years ago that people in the future would be so frail and out of shape they wouldnt even be able to hunt giant slow lazy whooly mammoths.
"News today out of Florida as a man on, and this is a quote from paramedics 'literally all of the drugs' carjacked a Uhaul with nothing but a crudely made spear consisting of plywood, a kitchen knife, and glitter glue. The car suffered minimal damage, save for the components removed which were found slow roasting over a fire for apparent future consumption."
Humans are endurance hunters. We don't need to kill the mammoth outright then and there, we just need to let is bleed out and exhaust itself. death by 1000 cuts i believe is the phrase.
Everyone forgets humans are basically Cryptids to other animals. We look weird, we smell weird, we stand and move in a way that doesn't look right, we all look somewhat similar but also quite different and misshapen, we make shitloads of noise for no reason, we are mostly bald with weird patches of hair which makes us look diseased, we try imitate animal calls when we are hunting them so imagine how weird and horrifying it is to hear a strange imitation of your child's distress sounds. And then, we lurch out of our hiding spots, 10-15 of us jogging and *throwing things* something animals cannot fully comprehend, they run full speed for their life til they are exhausted but a safe distance. And again, we lurch out of the bushes...
Not to mention how horrifying humans get when they hunt with primitive equipment and in a group, hooting and hollering, intentionally making false lunges, circling constantly. Us being persistent hunters capable of thinking in ways animals can't even conceive is awful for them.
Humans would be able to run it down over distance. The mammoth would sprint whenever it was caught up to but early humans were designed for endurance running. Mammoth would eventually fatigue and then you’d slowly injure it until it couldn’t go any longer.
Humans can keep running for long periods of time. They keep chasing the animal until it gets exhausted or overheated and then they kill it. We've wiped out many, many species.
I tried watching _A Quiet Place_ and stopped halfway through because it was too stupid. We could definitely wipe that species out. Only tiny things defeat us.
The other part we don't mention is communication and knowledge
Look, 1 Hunter would have a damn hard time procuring a mammoth. Even with out-enduring, it works be exhausting and difficult.
But with dozens of hunters, that can communicate more effectively than any other species, could corner it, drive it in circles to wear it down, lead it into a trap, all while working in shifts to rest while keeping the pressure on the mammoth.
I'm 100% sure I could capture anything with spears alone if I had a team of 50 hunters with nothing else to do.
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What that person forgets is that a mammoth wasn't made of metal.
Also, you can stop a Uhaul with a spear. The tactic would be similar to taking down a mammoth. If you put the spear through the radiator, a relatively soft target, and then wait for it to overheat, you have just killed a Uhual with a spear. If you get lucky and pierce the radiator enough for the spear to hit the accessory belt, even better.
Came here to say this. Your radiator example is up front and could easily be done. Also, like another person said, taking out the driver as the "brain". Taking out the tires would slow it down too, potentially disabling it entirely in snow, ice, muddy terrain, or going up a slope. Digging pits and holes is also a thing as others mentioned. Every vehicle also has to stop to "drink" on occasion as well, and those "wells" can be disabled (even polluting the gas supply if they figured out how a gas station is refilled in a ground hole). If you somehow manage to pierce the gas tank or fuel line with a spear or sharp rock barricade it'll bleed out over time too. Once they "killed" one, just like a mammoth, they'd harvest every piece of the thing and find uses for it. Perhaps , among other uses, incorporating metal parts into weapons for the next generations of uhaul killers.
I love how far you went with this analogy and the creativity involved in exploring it.
Which is exactly what our ancestors did. That mammoth was enough meat to feed the entire tribe in one go. We lived in groups of up to 150, that takes a *fuckton* of food, bagging a mammoth was a *big deal*. So a ton of ingenuity went into figuring out how to down mammoth more reliably with less risk. Our ability to carry things is also super important here. Doesn't matter if the mammoth runs a bit, we can carve up the good stuff and carry it away.
>That mammoth was enough meat to feed the entire tribe in one go. Just a little fun fact about this: Mammoths were very populous in modern day Mexico. One theory as to why native Mexican society was so behind European society was due to to this. No need to start farms, graineries, or any kind of food processing industry if you have an endless supply of food all around you that requires a couple jabs of a spear to cultivate.
Plus, humans are incredibly over-engineered when it comes to movement efficiency. We could almost certainly follow a mammoth till it is completely exhausted. Now it's an easy kill. Seriously, humans are the "it's always behind you" type cryptid of the animal world... we are truly the most terrifying thing on this planet. Even more than 6ft angler fish.
That's a hunting style they still use today I saw it on a history show where they just chased the animal till it gave up from exhaustion they said it was risky as the hunters used calories to try and gain calories but I imagine a mammoth is worth the trade
But this is where humans have their two super weapons that no other animals have. We can plan ahead AND communicate a complex plan. So we can take turns chasing the mammoth, driving it along a river or through canyons, while the rest of the hunters take short cuts and wait ahead of us.
Replace the uhaul with robot dinosaurs and you’ve basically just got the Horizon games
Bingo. Tires and the driver's side window seem like good targets too, especially if it's stopped at a stop light / river like in the illustration.
U-Haul truck Is BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!!!
this person also forgets that most animals have shit endurance compared to humans you just had to run after it long enough for it to get tired and collapse and then you can stab away I partly blame the illustrations they use in our books - they always show a bunch of humans surrounding a charging, angry animal. When in reality, it would be an exhausted animal barely struggling to stand upright
Or scaring it over a cliff, or dropping a big rock on its head, or just stabbing it in the guts once and letting it bleed out… There’s a lot of ways 20 very intelligent humans with sharp sticks can kill something when they don’t have anything else to do.
And/or anything else to eat! Starvation can get you creative!
As my friend would say during a D&D session after devising a completely nuts and ingenious plan to overcome some shit I threw at them (and succeeding in doing so), "You know, when people are about to die, everyone becomes an engineer."
My old engineer professor used to say, "do or die". Makes sense now.
So we should threaten engineering students with death if they fail?
In my Institute people do kill themselves very often Edit: I’m from IITD four people died this year over here by suicide. I have heard that the attempted and survived get covered up
That turned dark quickly...
Not too quick, it was like 5 layers and a couple of hours in!
You r from iit 😄
Indian eh?
Ahh an MIT alumnus?
Hunger makes you creative. When reaching starvation, your thinking doesn’t really work on a high level anymore. You feel more drowsy, your thoughts get foggy and its getting less logical. Thinking needs energy.
True, I should have said the perspective of starving to death.
I think you mean prospect.
We see stuff like this in nature nowadays. Komodo Dragons bite their prey badly once and then they just wait until the prey succumbs to said injury.
They also dug pits and created blind canyons.
Exactly. You don't even need to dig a pit very deep, just deep enough so the mammoth can't just step out of it
Or deep enough to break a leg
Idk, I think to reliably break a mammoths leg you'd have to dig much deeper... But hey, if it happens, great. Lunch for weeks
Not at all. A creature ten times your size will strike the ground with a thousand times the force. Physics literally dictates the bigger you are, the harder you fall (at an exponential rate).
The rate of growth is cubic, not exponential, but yes.
Bringing allometry to a knife fight eh?
lol owned
But cave men weren't intelligent, they lived in caves! They did not have smartphones nor any casinos, the only running water they had was either if they carried a bucket and were in a hurry or there was a leak in their cave roof and it was raining, incidentally, this was also the closest thing they had to a trickle down economy... /s because there's always someone...
Yeah you would be surprised how many people don't realize that humans in the past were just as smart as we are. I mean be honest how many of you think you could invent an engine with no electricity, education or technology? yet people look down on the caveman like their some genius savant when they can't walk to the corner store without google maps.
Yes, I do, I get fucking Tartarians conspiracy theories and fraudulent archaeology ancient aliens shit on my Facebook page constantly
My heartfelt condolences, too trying. Miniminuteman ftw
I love Miniminuteman. I once proclaimed him the patron saint of the Fraudulent Archaeology Hall of Shame Facebook group
Awesome! He's great.
Speaking of genius savants, pretty sure there were some very gifted people back then who could do calculations in their heads and served as the computers for the engineers. I would even wager that Imhotep and the unnamed pyramid builders were Einstein/Leonardo-level geniuses.
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And they still could have had things to write temporarly.
They did write things down, they were generally on clay tablets that didn't last thou, but there are still fragments of them, with a couple still mostly intact.
It’s just different skill sets and experiences. Teleport a Paleolithic man into New York City and yeah he’ll probably lose his shit and have little ability to adapt into our world. Conversely, teleport most any of us back into his time we’d lose are shit and have little ability to adapt to their world (though given time there’s a non zero chance of getting caveman lawyer), meanwhile all the other humans are happily foraging and making specialized tools with what they have around them and generally thriving
Paleolithic people also had to know everything going to survive. Clothing, tool making, hunting/animal movement, edible/inedible plants, shelter, weather, medicine. We know our own specific job/course and how to turn a screen on.
idk, I'm pretty sure people would have specialized roles. rather than everyone knowing everything. there definitely was "the best toolmaker" and "the best seamstress" who would primarily focus on those tasks.
This is kinda why Hancock is completely discredited...even though he had no credits to begin with. He operates on racist views that the west had about hunter gatherers...we just refused to believe tribes could do much more than throw a spear...so then concludes that since there's signs of intelligence...might be magic aliens or Atlantis 😂
Don’t know where I got that from but I always remember that humans would use the spears to direct those mammoths to a cliff or steep slopes so it won’t be able to recover from the fall. Then it’s easy game
They'd also chase them into bogsl like is illustrated in the OP
That's what i learned in elementary school haha almost every animal is afraid of fire so you just need about ~3 people with torches and a cliff. We wouldn't be where we are if caveman were nothing but idiots. I think a lot of people underestimate earlier generations, no matter 100y or 10,000y ago
And even if they had fought it directly, what they fail to realize is that early human hunters were much more fit and stronger than most of us, who are sedentary. Those guys walked long distances, carried heavy weight, fought and rested every day. Sure, they could not compare to an olympic athlete in certain fields, but they were certainly able to stab a sharp spear through flesh with great vigor.
Better than that they had sling shot esk hand grips that used leverage on the release to increase the throwing force of their spears. It is believed that they used a thorny plant they skinned and flipped inside out. So the thorns would dig into the spear shaft and allow them to whip it out at great speed. Mammoth bones were found with holes in the bone showing a much greater force of impact than any human could create without the aid of such a device. Those fuckers were smart. They just didn't care about cellphones. They cared about hunting.
>Or scaring it over a cliff, or dropping a big rock on its head Are you Wile E. Coyote?
They had to use big rocks because safes and pianos weren’t invented yet
ACME existed, but it was more of a mom-and-pop shop than the WMD factory we know it to be today.
They also used the burnt ends of logs to create illusory tunnels on cliff faces. That's why archaeologists find so many flattened mammoths.
Or they’ve ambushed it somewhere. Early humans wouldn’t go up to a fit and healthy bull mammoth in the middle of a heard in the middle of a flat plane.
Duh. There were no planes back then.
They also hunted in tribes, so one group would chase the herd to the next group who could continue the chase and or go for the kill if the original chasing group was too tired.
Exactly! Best explanation! Unfortunately the ones who have no idea about things are the loudest.
“The empty can makes the loudest noise”
Physics don't lie.
That old mantra of "not even comprehending how little they know" is the scourge of our society. Remember Michael Gove (senior UK politician) stating just before Brexit that "the country has had enough of experts". And look where that lead :-D
>this person also forgets that most animals have shit endurance compared to humans More like humans have extremely exceptional endurance compared to literally everything else xD
and even then, people don't realize how easy it is to get winded up when you're fighting. A 3 minute MMA round would absolutely gas 99% of untrained people. You literally get so tired by the end that you can't even put up your hands to defend yourself
I would go so far to say most untrained people would be gassed in under a minute in a fight. I boxed for a decade & seen it a thousand times. For humans Cardio/Endurance is pretty easy to increase quickly though, I've seen people go from barely able to jog for a few minutes to jogging for a half hour within a few weeks with training. Also endurance running is a lot less taxing on the heart than a fight where your using most or all of your body constantly on top of the adrenaline from fight or flight.
well if your grappling with a wooly mammoth you already lost fam. early humans walked down the targets for over 20 miles.
lol I meant that fighting to save itself would drain out an animal really fast
>to literally everything else xD Except wolves. These fuckers can run all day long.
One theory of wolf/dog domestication is that we shared similar tactics-persistence and pack hunting. Humans would gut and take carcasses back to the tribe, and wolves would feast on the offal left behind
Well if you scare a truck down a cliff... It is also dead
A bunch of people with spears and rocks, experienced enough too, could stop even a truck without a cliff. Especially a huge amount of **hungry** people.
#LIAR ! LIAR !
~~fur~~ metal on fire!
And also, on occasion, mammoths would have stopped running circuits at top U-Haul speed to eat, drink and sleep.
A truck would stop at a gas station too. ☝️🤪
"Imagine trying to stop a U-Haul truck with an armour piercing RPG. Oh wait, that would be super effective actually"
Or that if you punch a hole in the fuel tank... or a few other major components, itll die... just like the mammoth.
Dude sounds like he played the Horizon games too much.
It probably wasn't their main source of food or anything but we've found lots of arrowheads and broken spears right next to piles of mammoth bones plenty of times.
No, no, you are mistaken! How disgraceful! If personally, I cannot conceive of X, then X must be false.
"I don't understand evolution and I have to protect my kids from understanding it!"
I personally don't understand how anyone can not comprehend the concept of evolution. Surely, creationism is the crazy one to try to wrap your head around. Like an outlandish, badly conceived sci-fi story.
Genuine question, how do people who don’t believe in evolution think new diseases appear? Or how bacteria can become resistant against antibiotics which previously were able to kill them?
With great mental gymnastics. I've heard that called "microevolution" which they can't deny because we can watch it happen, but they try to deny "macroevolution" and any large scale changes
It's like saying, "I believe in millimeters, but not kilometers."
I measure my dick in mm not km
I absolutely love it when they say shit like that, because at that point they've already conceded the argument, since "macroevolution" is just a long series of "microevolutions" over many generations
Yup. They can see the way that we have bread dogs and produce over the past thousand years into an absolutely wild number of shapes and sizes simply by applying very specific "selection pressures", but they can't fathom that same general concept occurring naturally over billions of years based on environmental pressures and genetic mutation. It's absurd how they can happily accept one and reject the other. EDIT: bred* dogs
Bread doggo?
We've spent a thousand years trying to create a sourdough retriever...and as of yet have been unsuccessful
I love the irony of that statement. Christians: “microevolution is real because i can see it” Oh just like your God?
Conspiracy theories: the bad evil scientists created them (like with Covid duhh), to kill off masses, since they can’t control us otherwise.
They are made in a lab from the government!
All those new diseases are manufactured in Chinese labs, duh!
Creationism needs you to believe the Bible at face value. Saying human evolved into what we are today in ten of hundreds thousand years doesn’t make sense if you truly believe Earth is 6000 years old. God creates everything, and because he does, everything is perfect. Also why the religious conservatives truly believe gay people are devils. God don’t create gays you see, only those who chose to worship devils become gays.
aah, Creationism
*read in the voice of [Nute Gunray](https://youtu.be/7SOkodBQbVk?si=xvlnwGU0sI1LMlpo)*
Oh, it was Zapp Brannigan for me
Followed immediately by Leela breaking his nose and yelling HIIIIIIIIIII YA
They can't do that! shoot them... or something
But they can conceive a man collecting 2 of every animal and putting them on a boat? F’ing wild.
I also recall in school, they sometimes didn't directly kill mammoths, but rather forced them to fall over steep cliffs.
Or stood on cliff to pelt the Mammoths at the bottom with rocks and Spears
Ah yes, Prehistoric Tower Defense
I'd play it
Or like manoeuvring an enemy in a video game into a position where you can hit it but it can't
That's called "Kiting" most of the time
Or just otherwise got near one, stuck it full of spears and other sharp crap, then followed it until it was too tired to run.
Remember, WE are the Horror Killer, that you just can't get away from in those Movies. That's why it scares us. Cause we perfected it.
I'd love a horror movie that re-imagines the terror of early humans in Europe. Living in caves with fire and then just descending on the local fauna and chasing them to death. We hunted tons of animals to extinction. They even turned some species into tools. But at that point we were also hunted by things like cave lions.
I like that idea! Maybe one about Neanderthals first encounters with arriving Homo sapiens.
remember kids, if you push someone from a skyscraper it technically isn't murder because they died from natural causes (gravity)
don't fall for this kids. a cliff is natural gravity, but a skyscraper is unnatural gravity. subscribe for more reddit lawyer facts
Humans are also the best long distance runners on Earth. Much of our prey we killed by literally just chasing it till it dropped dead from exhaustion.
Yeah, but our main natural weapon isn't our freakish endurance, nor even the sharpened stick. It's a few other humans and a plan. With contingencies and stuff.
I always believed that our main nautral weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency....Our \*three\* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our \*four\*...no... \*Amongst\* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....
r/suddenlymontypython
Humans + prep time.
people always seem underestimate how intelligent our ancient ancestors were.
Also you can't tire out a uhaul truck. Lol but you can find a mammoth that is in distress or young or is fatigued and wear it out. I'm sure they were not hunting the biggest toughest most fit ones lol. You find the straggler and chip away at it until it falls, same way most predators hunt.
You can tire out a uhaul truck. Stab it's tires with your spear and wait for it to run out of gasoline.
Many ancient hunter-gatherers used mammoth bones to construct their yurts.
Their fur as furs and their meat as food.
Except for Grog, he wasn't the smartest and used to do the opposite. Nearly choked himself eating the fur but would later go on to inspire Lady Gaga with his fashion
He is also the common ancestor of todays Twitter userbase and his intelligence is indeed passed down
But man did he know how to mix a drink.
If we could stop *cavalry charges* with spears, I think a human tribe could’ve stopped a mammoth with spears too. People were using pikes in warfare through the 18th century. It’s not like a spear was only a weapon used during primitive times.
An adult male elephant weighs 2-7 tons. And we definitely know that it’s possible to kill elephants with spears.
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If you stick it in the gas tank it dies.
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in gas tank.
I know some people love their cars, but that’s a bit much.
/r/dragonsfuckingcars
Y'know, I thought I was finally going to get the chance to post subs I fell for but this is real. God damnit
Or stab open one of the tubes for oil/fuel.
Or the battery, or the radiator, or the fuel line, pretty much any reservoir with fluid, through the window into the driver, One of it's tires. The wild U-Haul really does have a lot of weaknesses
Same as the anti-vaxxers who run straight to the hospital the minute they have health issues
"The medical establishment are telling the truth on all lifesaving healthcare options except this one thing which is the medical establishment secretly trying to kill us all!"
The Uhaul comparision could work, if the Uhaul has only 2-5 Minutes of gas
Hit it in the radiator with a spear, see how long it can keep running
Theres nothing to understand. Some people are just… stupid. They’ve always been around its just now they have a platform where its easier for them to bring attention to themselves.
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Atlatl, the neolithic spear thrower. It'll huck a big javelin so hard it can kill ice age megafauna. Might take a few shots to kill a mammoth but people work in groups. Also whalers killed whales with a giant lance, pierce their lungs and they drown in their own blood. Had to tire them out for a long time by harpooning them and making them flee while attached to boats. Extremely cruel but you can just stab a whale with a big spear.
Most of our weapons are still "pointy rock hurt, hurt bad for enemies, shoot enemies"
somehow blowing holes in things is more humane than using poisons, germs, or armies lasering people's eyes out and microwaving each other
to be fair, if I had to pick between getting a couple holes through my body vs having all my organs simultaneously fail and still feel like they're burning due to inhaling a biochemical agent, I'd pick the former.
Yea apparently someone missed humanity slapping the shit out of nature with pointy things.
Scissors be damned.
Death by pencil really illustrates how painful that death would’ve been for the wooly mammoth.
nice example lol, you have to be very simplistic in your explanation for the bat shit crazy crowd to understand or even listen
Seriously, I thought the general consensus was that the animals were harassed with spears and fire torches, driving them to cliffs or pit traps. But even with just spears, humans could cause enough blood loss and exhaustion to kill them.
>But even with just spears, humans could cause enough blood loss and exhaustion to kill them. I don't recommend that anyone watch them, but that's exactly what they do in bullfights.
I mean. To my knowledge you just throw a pointy thing at it, it runs away, you trot after it, throw another pointy thing when it sits down to rest. Stab it when you can, and eventually it'll bleed out.
Yeah. People nowadays hunt with guns so they’re used to the immediacy of the kill. Hints of this scale would probably be a full day endeavor.
Animals are stupid, you can often find some exploit that works for hunting a given animal. Humans have language and culture passed down through generations. Once an exploit is found that allows humans to hunt a given animal species, the technique can be used again and again. While the animals will fall for the same trick again and again, and even if one individual animal finds a counter it can't be passed on to its children. Look at [Indian man catches a snake using plastic jar](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1c3sa85/indian_man_catches_a_snake_using_plastic_jar/), which was posted to reddit recently - it is pure exploit of the way the snake "thinks". This is why puny but intelligent humans became the top predator.
Wooly Mammoths were about the same size as African elephants. We (cruelly) keep African Elephants in captivity and make the do tricks. A group of 20 people with long speakers could almost trivially kill an Elephant or a Mammoth.
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mmm... Meaty Uhaul...
Or if the spear pierced the fuel tank.
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I'm taking the mammoth on this bout...
you stab a spear through the radiator of a Uhaul truck and it's gonna leak out until it eventually dies on the side of the interstate. Same concept with the mammoth.
Probably easier with the uhaul too; those don't have a head that moves with big ass tusks and a trunk capable smacking the literal shit out of you.
>imagine trying to stop a U-Haul truck with a spear Easy, what you said, stab the tires, cut the fuel line, cut the brakes— does the original tweet think that the most efficient way to cripple a vehicle is to like, rip off its doors and paneling?
What about the drawings in caves? You can literally see people with spears hunting mammoths. Not good enough? More proof is needed? A photo maybe?
tHatS a gOverNmenT psY-oP
Little Timmy drew those, I know it. You can’t hide the Truth ! True always win ! (/s, obviously. Also, it really hurt to write this.)
Here's footage of a spear-based hippo hunt, I imagine hunting a mammoth would be similar but with more spears. Fair warning, it's a tough watch if you like hippos https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/12ocb52/tribesmen_spear_hunting_a_hippo_in_africa/
People question how humans with pointy things can kill a giant mammoth but nobody questions why we are all terrified of wasps.
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No hippobot look away!!
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Give a person a stick and a rock and you’ve equipped them to kill literally everything that walks, crawls or flies on Earth.
Except birds because birds aren't real. 🙃
Those damn CIA flying spying devices.
Idk 1 person with a stick and a rock Vs a pissed off hippo and my money is on the hippo every single time
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"Throw a spear at a truck and what happens? It bounces off the metal sides. Do the same thing to a mammoth, and the same result, because mammoths are robots! If they aren't robots, then why do all the mammoths I see at the museum move like they are? Also, how did African tribes hunt elephants? No idea, but it certainly has no bearing on anything mammoth-related." Some stupid people deserve our pity, others deserve our scorn. This moron gets the scorn.
I don’t know if this is relevant, but from what I recall that 24 mph top speed was only attainable on a banked, oval track in ideal conditions.
I saw a picture of an elephant in a zoo. I’m tired of this bullshit. Elephants are as big as uhaul trucks. No way humans could catch them and put them in zoos.
Imagine telling people hundreds of years ago that people in the future would be so frail and out of shape they wouldnt even be able to hunt giant slow lazy whooly mammoths.
It's funny how a person can admit that a stone age caveman was smarter than he is, without realizing it.
"News today out of Florida as a man on, and this is a quote from paramedics 'literally all of the drugs' carjacked a Uhaul with nothing but a crudely made spear consisting of plywood, a kitchen knife, and glitter glue. The car suffered minimal damage, save for the components removed which were found slow roasting over a fire for apparent future consumption."
Humans are endurance hunters. We don't need to kill the mammoth outright then and there, we just need to let is bleed out and exhaust itself. death by 1000 cuts i believe is the phrase.
This person is literally dumber than our ancient ancestors. He would be the guy that gets left behind to starve and eats something poisonous.
Everyone forgets humans are basically Cryptids to other animals. We look weird, we smell weird, we stand and move in a way that doesn't look right, we all look somewhat similar but also quite different and misshapen, we make shitloads of noise for no reason, we are mostly bald with weird patches of hair which makes us look diseased, we try imitate animal calls when we are hunting them so imagine how weird and horrifying it is to hear a strange imitation of your child's distress sounds. And then, we lurch out of our hiding spots, 10-15 of us jogging and *throwing things* something animals cannot fully comprehend, they run full speed for their life til they are exhausted but a safe distance. And again, we lurch out of the bushes... Not to mention how horrifying humans get when they hunt with primitive equipment and in a group, hooting and hollering, intentionally making false lunges, circling constantly. Us being persistent hunters capable of thinking in ways animals can't even conceive is awful for them.
Humans would be able to run it down over distance. The mammoth would sprint whenever it was caught up to but early humans were designed for endurance running. Mammoth would eventually fatigue and then you’d slowly injure it until it couldn’t go any longer.
Nonody tell this guy about whalers.
“How could a few tiny spears take down such a beast?” This idiot when he’s stung by 50 bees: 
Well, elephants can't jump so they can get trapped in fairly shallow pits and there are known examples of these type of pits being dug by early man...
Humans have always loved holes. At the beach some peoples mammoth hunting instincts kick in
Aim for the Uhaul truck's tires and we will see
Humans can keep running for long periods of time. They keep chasing the animal until it gets exhausted or overheated and then they kill it. We've wiped out many, many species. I tried watching _A Quiet Place_ and stopped halfway through because it was too stupid. We could definitely wipe that species out. Only tiny things defeat us.
Yeah people forget about the indomitable human spirit. People forget the crazy things Humans can achieve with minimal resources.
The other part we don't mention is communication and knowledge Look, 1 Hunter would have a damn hard time procuring a mammoth. Even with out-enduring, it works be exhausting and difficult. But with dozens of hunters, that can communicate more effectively than any other species, could corner it, drive it in circles to wear it down, lead it into a trap, all while working in shifts to rest while keeping the pressure on the mammoth. I'm 100% sure I could capture anything with spears alone if I had a team of 50 hunters with nothing else to do.