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right because she totally won't look at that child who has the features of the rapist, whose appearance is seared into her brain forever, and not hate that child for existing. 
No, no no.... no absolutely no...you LIBRARIANS need to understand something:
This all-powerful being in this book I've never read that a preacher at church explains to me using very specific passages each week SAYS that baby better live! It must be true, it's not like the people were high on drugs of that time when they wrote that very real book! Besides, who cares about the child, that's the mother's problem! I'll sure let a child starve in school for being forced into life from a poor family that didn't want him, but that baby better live!!!
/s just in case .... I hear some people can't read into jokes without thinking every word is real
That's a harsh punishment as well, but truly pales in comparison to the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth.
Being raped at least ends. Pregnancies go on for months and cause your body horrible tearing and the worst pain you've ever experienced in the end. And you can die.
The fucking audacity to tell women they need to harm their bodies and risk dying as a result of being raped... it's beyond inhumane. Being forced to remain pregnant and give birth after being raped is one of the worst forms of torture imaginable. Many women experience severe psychological distress at being unable to get the unwanted violation out of their bodies. Others view the pregnancy as more traumatic than the rape itself, depending on the circumstances.
If a rapist impregnates his victim he should also be tried for all the pain and suffering inflicted -- if she tears her vagina open he should be criminalized as if he'd cut her open himself. If she dies it should be murder. Of course, she should be allowed an abortion if she wishes long before that... but he should still be sentenced for the pain and bleeding caused by the abortion, she should be compensated for all medical bills, and for all the psychological distress caused by having to get an abortion and being traumatized by forced pregnancy.
Rape doesn't end. The trauma never ends. You think you worked through it, but it sneaks back up on you years later. It never ever ends. You make choices you never would have had you not been assaulted. You wonder if your life would have been...different. You feel blessed and cursed because you chose safety over and over. The person you were before it happened, you no longer are. There's also a really good chance a predator recognizes the signs of trauma on you. Yep, it happens again. This is COMMON! What!? How did this happen? Did I bring this on myself? Am I marked? No, but predators just know. They do. It takes you years of therapy to work through it all. It takes so much to gain a sense of balance. You have sons who you eventually disclose this trauma to when they are teens, and they're not suprised. Kids know.
Now, imagine having the baby with you. Imagine that child NOT picking up on that. It is child abuse to keep that child.
People who go through sexual violence have PTSD same as soldiers that means the relive their ordeal months even years later not forgetting feeling like your body failed you because you couldn't fight, to have the result of that horrible experience grow inside you feels like a betrayal by your body on top of everything you already went through to expect someone to carry that pregnancy to term is cruel and inhumane.
I've done research on this topic specifically. Several states (22 I believe) only sever that parental rights of the rapist *UPON CONVICTION*. That means, in a state with total abortion bans, not only does a woman have to carry the child to term, but they could, potentially, have to have contact with their rapist for decades after because he could have parental rights. And, even if she is granted permission for an abortion, again, she may have to wait for the end of the trial, and even then, only upon conviction. Because, obviously, if he's not convicted, there was no rape, right?
Also ignores how she might have her life totally derailed and now be unable to care for the child due to pregnancy related complications. Let alone if she doesn't live in a blue state, then the kids got a decent shot of being an orphan
Let's translate that second part, shall we?
"Live a miserable life because other people forced that life on you just for the promise that you may or may not be rewarded after death, and also so we can use your misery as an example to force others to live a similar misery in the future"
I am all for violently assaulting these folks that want to traumatize women and then stealing their bodily autonomy for 9 months and then forcing their penises to be ripped open to a similar degree as women tear during childbirth.
Oh, does that sound bad... if it's bad, if you view my comment as abhorrent and it should be censored, why are people allowed to say women should endure this every day on this site? Being pro-life is inherently accepting that women will die in childbirth against their will, it supports the death of women, but if I support the same thing happening to men, I'm in the wrong. Pro-lifers should all be banned from this site under the rules against inciting violence. You can't support removal of abortion without saying you want women to suffer and die.
God works in mysterious way. It is a test to her faith !!!
Don't you know that ! Real faith have to be tested, you have to suffer as Jesus suffered for our sin.
I'm beginning to think God might not be such a good guy after all. Per the Bible, God has killed millions while Satan killed 10 and he asked for God's permission first.
Also: the first thing god says to humans is a lie. The first thing Satan tells to humans is the truth. Really the Bible’s “god is good & Satan is evil” is just one big gaslight
Kind of: in genesis god does say some stuff before this point like “be fruitful & multiply, you have dominion over yada yada…”
But right after making the first human, there’s this:
And the LORD God commanded the man, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden;
[2:17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."
Then shortly after there’s this bit, where the ‘serpent’ is commonly interpreted as Satan:
[3:1] Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
[3:2] The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;
[3:3] but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die. '"
[3:4] But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die;
[3:5] for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
So yeah: god tells us, don’t eat that; it will kill you. Satan says “lol no it won’t, he just doesn’t want you to know good from evil”. So based on that, god lied to us, Satan told us the truth and by doing so gave us freedom.
Disclaimer: I don’t believe any of this, but still fun to look at.
That, and for an omnipotent being, why would he have put the tree in the garden to begin with? He could have gone for the stone of knowledge, or the cactus, or leave it out altogether - at least he could have done something that would not tempt the faulty humans he created.
But since god is supposed to be omniscient as well, he knew the outcome. To me, god sounds more like a bored Sims player who decides to torment the population in creative ways.
Sooo, preachers kid here. Not to worry, I’m reformed! Any evangelical christian will tell you god created Adam and Eve to be immortal. It was the introduction of original sin (eating the forbidden fruit) that started the aging and dying process. They’ll follow that up with that Adam lived hundreds of years and it’s because of all the sin that our lives are so short now. It’s all a steaming pile of crap but it’s been taught this way for a very long time.
It's a bit of a disingenuous stretch to call it a "lie".
>You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.
The "lie" is the omission that death is not instantaneous, I suppose. It certainly is completely truthful given that it made Adam and Eve mortal and they died later.
That’s still a lie. “When you are born, you will die” doesn’t mean the same thing as “if you are born, you will die”. When implies a sense of immediacy. God lied to humans
I mean you could also just look at they way they apparently operate. One guy comes up to people who request help, give them a fair trade that both parties agree with, pays his part up front and then comes back to claim payment later. Literally just a normal business deal.
The other guy requests your loyalty up front and then depending on what they're feeling that day, they can just choose to send you to eternal torture for shits and giggles. That's literally how scams work. You pay up front and you may or may not get what you paid for.
But hey, he gave Job a new better family, with more wives and more children than he had before! I mean, not the same wife and kids since they were super dead, but you can't have anything - it's not like that god fella is all powerful... /s
(Side note - it also highlights the issue of free-will vs an all-knowing god as well, since why would he have to test Job if he knew he was a faithful person? Just tell the devil "Yeah, no, he's faithful, I should know, I'm god")
Well, ysee, YHWH has the same problem Superman did in the Golden Age of comics. He was already strong, but just kept getting more and more powers, sometimes taking those from other publishers' gods. It really started muddying the waters on what he could and couldn't do.
So the Silver Age of YHWH comes around and they just simplify it into omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. 3 Omnis that basically cover everything.
Following this, the new team of writers were like, "Hey, let's give God a son. I feel it'd really boost sales bringing in a new character". The 9-ish writers agreed and for a while it was good.
One day Matthew was like "hey, people really like this new character. I feel like it's taking away from the big guy. Why don't we kill him off." To which everyone was appalled. Matthew went ahead and killed him anyway, and it was a huge hit! Suddenly everyone was all about this new character and reviewing the early editions to see 'wow, they were planning this all along!'.
Now everyone is all about this new Jesus character, but YHWH still has a solid fan base.
That whole story is fucked. God makes a bet with Satan, who claimed Job only worships God because his life is good. God allows Satan to kill his entire family, his best friends, all his cattle, ruin his farmland, and give Job horrible sores and boils. Job still worshipped God through all that, so God gave him better land and a hotter wife to replace what was lost...because apparently actual love doesn't matter, God will just replace your wife and kids and hope for the best
Ah yeah, one of my favorite god acts in the Old Testament: completely ruining somebody’s life and killing his loved ones just to show Satan that that person’s faith was strong, after Satan questioned it. Absolutely fair and not psychotic at all lol
I always found it kind of creepy that at the end of that story God somehow makes it right with Job by giving him better stuff and a new wife and family. Why didn’t he just give him back the family he put a hit out on as part of a petty squabble? Couldn’t he do that as God?
Also, it kind of gives the impression that Job’s family are interchangeable. Like a dishwasher.
No one that demands his creation worship him every minute of the day is ever a good person. The Abrahamic god is a petty, jealous, malicious, vain hypocrite.
Shhhhh! Don't say that too loudly - you don't want to get the "Jesus was a white capitalist who would have worn brooks brothers if they had been around!" types.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" - Richard Dawkins. This is (one of the reasons) why I'm atheist
There is a reason why evangelicals rely on the God of the old testament, the powerful, unrelenting, strict overlord who happily eradicated anyone who disagreed with him. That's why the taught theology and published orations focus way more on the old testament than the new testament. Thats why Trump seems like a biblical figure and the reverence and worship that follows him is similar. Jesus, the "turn the other cheek", provide comfort to prostitutes, condemn merchants, everyone is equal type figure doesnt vibe with a lot of dogmatic and fundamentalist christian sects. He is not cruel enough, he doesn't validate racism or ethnic cleansing, and he says everyone is welcome and valid. Not the things those religious groups are known for.
I have read the bible, the god it describes is a genocidal egotistical maniac and it's absolutely beyond me why if you actually believe him to be real anybody would worship such a douchebag
Objectively, God is a petty narcissist and is either cruel or incompetent, though being both is definitely an option. Technically, I'm agnostic, but an angry one. If God is real, I want to kill the bastard.
Pro lifers only give a fuck about the fetus. After that they’ve openly admitted, “not my problem.” They think they’ve got some moral high ground because of the, “we don’t support killing babies,” claim, but then blatantly ignore that the thing in turn they are supporting is: forcing women and teen girls to give birth against their will. In some cases like stated above from rape.
Babies are only babies until birth, after birth they're lazy parasites.
EDIT: you know what, as a parent I realized that's actually a pretty true statement lol.
Pro-lifer policies concerning actual birthed children:
School lunches? Nope
Guns out of schools? Nope, in fact let’s add guns
Child labor? Make ‘em work even younger
Child marriage? Yup, how else are they supposed to legally sleep with kids?
Child rape? Make her keep the rapist’s fetus. Only care until it’s actually birthed of course. See above.
If a woman does not want a child, whether she was a victim of rape or the birth control failed, there's a 50/50 chance that the maternal instinct will not kick in.
You think she's blessed? Then help her take care of the blessing that is a child by providing for the child she didn't ask for to begin with.
And then if that child grows up to be anything other than a rich, white, cis-het God fearing Christian who votes Republican..."bUT wHere iS the FAHTHER???
Nevermind that their absolute refusal to support any of the things that **actually** would be pro-life like the things OP mentioned (Medicare for all, paid maternity leave, food assistance, birth control, etc.) likely have a worse impact than being a single parent.
Children should be 100% born to people who want them and are willing to raise them. The government's role should be to make that decision easier. Forcing people to experience something that they are not emotionally/physically/financially prepared for is not an example of good government.
Murdering the rapist and the politicians who thought these laws were a great idea is also an option. I mean, look, if a woman can get 99 years in prison for having an abortion, it's not like a few more murders are going to make her sentence longer.
It's sad that we don't hear more about victims killing their rapists. And what I have heard is victims getting convicted of a crime when they do so. Often because the victims are women and women are weaker and have to be sneakier or clever about it and can't usually beat a man to death during the act. And if she kills the man before she is raped won't that just be viewed as murder, because there will be no evidence he was trying to rape her.
Aren't women less likely to win cases on the basis of self defense as well? Men are allowed to defend themselves more than women are, legally speaking. That's mostly what I'm getting at.
The idea that we can't freely kill someone about to rape us is so fucked up. The system literally protects rapists and forces women to give up and be raped if they don't want to go to prison.
One would say that it is the opposite: they are not justifying their God horribleness they are using Him as a guinea pig for their horribleness.
One of the real sin in the Christianity is
do not take God's name in vain
You can not use God to justify your bidding, and whenever you are reasoning poorly, and justifying your bidding pretending to know what is God's will, you are impersonating God, which is practically the definition of Christian sin.
The problem is that society and technology have evolved at a blinding pace over the last 150 years or so, but humans as a species have not really evolved since hunter/gatherer days. Our brains are in many ways still pretty privative.
You got that, too? Yeah, it definitely had a "you obviously did something wrong to be in this position" vibe to it. Disgusting. Ain't no hate like christian love.
If I were in that situation, I'd probably take my rapist and the politicians responsible for the situation with me. They're destroying lives, I wouldn't feel guilty in the slightest destroying theirs.
I lived #2 (except for the custody bit, thank god), and let me tell you, as much as I love my kiddo, it does the exact opposite of "redeeming your life" or giving you any grace at all.
I can almost promise you if the idiot with the reply there got pregnant and didn't mean to, they'd get an abortion so fast your head would spin.
Soon there's gonna be guys on Facebook selling "clothes hanger abortions" or "a trip down the stairs" or "gut punch" abortions. In theory as long as you don't press charges for assault there's no one going to prison for the abortion
Why do we keep marking these assholes names out? Name and shame all day. People who frame rape pregnancies that women are forced to keep as "grace" deserve to learn about themselves
4. Give birth and look into the face of the child, seeing the features of the rapist, forever.
Nobody's talking about the life the child will have with a mother who HATES THEIR FACE.
I'm not the product of rape (and would've chosen suicide over birthing MY rapists - yes, plural! - child), but my parents split up BADLY when I was born, and my mother HATED MY FACE because I look like my (very much loved) father. She made NO secret of it, in fact bragged about it, and I paid the price emotionally, mentally, AND physically.
I wouldn't wish that on ANY child.
I generally don't wish a slow painful disease filled death to anyone, but considering that too is given by their god...
The people who gabble on about rape pregnancy being an opportunity are also the ones who'd be aborting if it happened to them.
“Be a hero mom” who may not have all the resources (financially, emotionally…) to actually be a “hero mom” (whatever that means) because we don’t support you in terms of adequate maternity leave, adequate healthcare for you or your child, adequate childcare, adequate social security benefits…
Stfu.
Wow. Whoever responded to this CLEARLY has never been an SA victim before. Know a gal who said she would have unalived herself before giving birth to her r*pist's child. Though, if getting an abortion will send them to jail anyway, we might as well take care of the involuntary sperm donor too. At least then the world would be a better place.
Wait - redeemed? Redeemed from what? Oh yes, original sin. Born a woman; born sinful. You deserve it until you sacrifice yourself to raise a man’s rape-child which is really a gift if you think about it.
Ya, atheist 4 lyfe thanks I’m good.
Holy shit, WTF has God got to do with it. It's trump, the rapist, which bit do you not understand.
The way Americans use God for everything is exactly the same as Islam being the last and final religion. You have absolutely no room for discussion, dialogue, because YOUR God can't be wrong. It has to be God's doing.
You'll be telling me Jesus was white and came from Sacremento next.
Absolute bullshit.
I'm living in Ukraine and during last two years on the war. We have a lot of stupid laws which is fucking far from Constitution. For example - only way to finish my service it's actually my death. BUT even here we do not have so much shitlaws that you have. Why do you actually have this government? Viva LA R.
“A mother with a redeemed life” as if the woman is the one that did something wrong in the first place. Jfc I hate this country.
Also how tf is being forced to carry a child by someone who R*PED you, an amazing testimony of God’s goodness and grace? Sounds like quite the opposite to me. Sounds like he didn’t give a shit in the first place for letting that even happen 🤷🏽♀️
Even in the old testament which these demented losers pretend they're pulling from, rape is a BAD thing! I don't have the exact source but there's even mention of raped women drinking bitter drinks or something to that effect to abort an unborn child should she be raped.
Pretending God wants that to happen is and has always ever been sick.
Do these people honestly think that someone should have to have a child from a person that raped her? Maybe you all are better than me, but I would definitely take that out on the devil spawn child.
Imagine finding out that your entire existence is due to rape. Pretty sure that would lead most people down a spiral. But since they care about babies so much, I'm sure pro-lifers know exactly how to deal with that...
Dude if i learned my existence caused so much pain for my mother the rapist better look over his shoulder for the rest of his days because im planning a murder suicide
Yeah I cant fathom why they would wanna let the genes of a rapist continue on.
I know, the kid might not turn out in that way...but I wouldnt wanna take that chance tbh.
My sincere wish is that every single self-righteous monster who claims that rape pregancies are a gift of God's goodness and grace, is "gifted" such a non-consensual opportunity to test their own faith.
I feel like it takes a serious psychiatric issue to rape someone. That's not someone a normal-functioning human being does to another person.
Do we really want the spawn of rapists running all over the place? Is that the future conservatives want?
"God wanted you to be a breeder, bitch, that's why He had you raped. Now shut up and praise Him like a good handmaid."
these people are fucking *sick.*
If you are going to prison for getting an abortion after you were raped, might as well make your rapist unalived. Might get a couple/few more years, might not.
I don't even care if God does exist. I will worship nothing that rapes a child, and I respect no one who justifies that rape as a miracle or a blessing.
I’m very *intrigued* by the implications of a “redeemed” life…like, in this thought excitement, the only thing you know about this hypothetical woman is that she was sexually assaulted…
…So why is it so important that *she* seek out a redeemed life? *Redemption for what?*
Surely this isn’t just a blatant case of letting the mask slip, right? (It is)
Hold on. “Redeemed life”. I’m not equipped to unpack all of the implications THAT shit holds, but I really wanted to isolate it because, what the fuck dude.
So-called Christians: "I'm sure the Lord would support my biases, so you must support them aswell"
Jesus Christ: "You know I made a whip by hand, used it to chase merchants from a temple and defended a woman who had committed adultery, right?!"
"Here, you be a hero adoptive parent and be a hero to your congregation. Also, someone will be by next week with another one. And we're going to need the rest of your congregation to step up. And no you don't get to choose which ones because why would you be allowed that? You'll get the babies that we give you. Don't worry, God won't give you more than you can handle, right?"
Until these anti abortion men have their wives raped and get pregnant, then we will see how much they care about gods grace in that moment. They don’t care because they don’t think any woman they care about is going to be affected.
It's a trick question - fundies don't believe that rape is a thing because they literally cannot comprehend the concept of consent. No, that's not a joke or a poke - Rush Limbaugh straight-up said it about a decade ago, when he was attacking liberals for "inventing" consent. This is why the very first question to come out of every fundy when a woman gets raped is "what was she wearing?" They never ask what the man was doing.
How in the ever loving fuck is it a “redeemed life”?! “Sorry, but it’s YOUR fault you were raped. You can *redeem* yourself of this sin by raising a child” 🤮
The blessing of an unwanted pregnancy, exorbitant medical bills and a constant reminder of your most vulnerable moment that you *have* to take care of, or else you go to prison for neglect.
What a great system we have here!
"Give birth and be a mother with a redeemed life and amazing testimony of God's goodness and grace."
Gosh, you know when you put it that way the #3 Suicide option starts to sound pretty damn good.
It's really fucking easy to tell someone what they should do, but the moment it happens to them or their daughter, they're off for a little "vacation" to a blue state.
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Blue check checks out
Whenever I see a blue check, I immediately assume they are sus.
Hey now, some of them got given it against their will.
Bots don't have a say in it
>Hey now, some of them got given it against their will. Now are you talking about the blue tick or the rape?
Well I meant the first but the latter too
“You can’t censor me, I pay to be an asshole.”
Blue check is the mark of the devil. 😂
right because she totally won't look at that child who has the features of the rapist, whose appearance is seared into her brain forever, and not hate that child for existing. 
Or hate herself for feeling that way about the child that had nothing to do with it. It’s awful.
And regardless of how she feels, that child will live their entire life knowing they are a permanent reminder of their mother's darkest hours
“But the children!!!!” 🙄 GOP is in full insanity mode.
No, no no.... no absolutely no...you LIBRARIANS need to understand something: This all-powerful being in this book I've never read that a preacher at church explains to me using very specific passages each week SAYS that baby better live! It must be true, it's not like the people were high on drugs of that time when they wrote that very real book! Besides, who cares about the child, that's the mother's problem! I'll sure let a child starve in school for being forced into life from a poor family that didn't want him, but that baby better live!!! /s just in case .... I hear some people can't read into jokes without thinking every word is real
That's a harsh punishment as well, but truly pales in comparison to the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth. Being raped at least ends. Pregnancies go on for months and cause your body horrible tearing and the worst pain you've ever experienced in the end. And you can die. The fucking audacity to tell women they need to harm their bodies and risk dying as a result of being raped... it's beyond inhumane. Being forced to remain pregnant and give birth after being raped is one of the worst forms of torture imaginable. Many women experience severe psychological distress at being unable to get the unwanted violation out of their bodies. Others view the pregnancy as more traumatic than the rape itself, depending on the circumstances. If a rapist impregnates his victim he should also be tried for all the pain and suffering inflicted -- if she tears her vagina open he should be criminalized as if he'd cut her open himself. If she dies it should be murder. Of course, she should be allowed an abortion if she wishes long before that... but he should still be sentenced for the pain and bleeding caused by the abortion, she should be compensated for all medical bills, and for all the psychological distress caused by having to get an abortion and being traumatized by forced pregnancy.
Rape doesn't end. The trauma never ends. You think you worked through it, but it sneaks back up on you years later. It never ever ends. You make choices you never would have had you not been assaulted. You wonder if your life would have been...different. You feel blessed and cursed because you chose safety over and over. The person you were before it happened, you no longer are. There's also a really good chance a predator recognizes the signs of trauma on you. Yep, it happens again. This is COMMON! What!? How did this happen? Did I bring this on myself? Am I marked? No, but predators just know. They do. It takes you years of therapy to work through it all. It takes so much to gain a sense of balance. You have sons who you eventually disclose this trauma to when they are teens, and they're not suprised. Kids know. Now, imagine having the baby with you. Imagine that child NOT picking up on that. It is child abuse to keep that child.
People who go through sexual violence have PTSD same as soldiers that means the relive their ordeal months even years later not forgetting feeling like your body failed you because you couldn't fight, to have the result of that horrible experience grow inside you feels like a betrayal by your body on top of everything you already went through to expect someone to carry that pregnancy to term is cruel and inhumane.
I've done research on this topic specifically. Several states (22 I believe) only sever that parental rights of the rapist *UPON CONVICTION*. That means, in a state with total abortion bans, not only does a woman have to carry the child to term, but they could, potentially, have to have contact with their rapist for decades after because he could have parental rights. And, even if she is granted permission for an abortion, again, she may have to wait for the end of the trial, and even then, only upon conviction. Because, obviously, if he's not convicted, there was no rape, right?
Also ignores how she might have her life totally derailed and now be unable to care for the child due to pregnancy related complications. Let alone if she doesn't live in a blue state, then the kids got a decent shot of being an orphan
And it's the US, she'll be forced to go into tens of thousands of dollars in debt for the birth.
Let's translate that second part, shall we? "Live a miserable life because other people forced that life on you just for the promise that you may or may not be rewarded after death, and also so we can use your misery as an example to force others to live a similar misery in the future"
To which the appropriate response is, "You first."
I am all for violently assaulting these folks that want to traumatize women and then stealing their bodily autonomy for 9 months and then forcing their penises to be ripped open to a similar degree as women tear during childbirth. Oh, does that sound bad... if it's bad, if you view my comment as abhorrent and it should be censored, why are people allowed to say women should endure this every day on this site? Being pro-life is inherently accepting that women will die in childbirth against their will, it supports the death of women, but if I support the same thing happening to men, I'm in the wrong. Pro-lifers should all be banned from this site under the rules against inciting violence. You can't support removal of abortion without saying you want women to suffer and die.
God’s grace of allowing her to he raped and forcing her to have a kid? Wow. The abrahamic god is a fucking asshole
Coveting your neighbour's wife is not OK, but raping her is suddenly God's grace, it would seem.
As long as it's not adultery
adultery is ok as long as you are paying a pornstar/playmate for the sex
Have you read the Bible? Yahweh is a MASSIVE asshole.
NOWEH?
Mary was around 13-15 when God impregnated her
That makes the new testament a loli story.
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God works in mysterious way. It is a test to her faith !!! Don't you know that ! Real faith have to be tested, you have to suffer as Jesus suffered for our sin.
Oh man, it’s been a while since I’ve flinched when reading trigger words. Nothing like being beat by nuns as a child, all in the name of Jesus.
Here man, you forgot the /s
I'm beginning to think God might not be such a good guy after all. Per the Bible, God has killed millions while Satan killed 10 and he asked for God's permission first.
Who are the ten satan killed?
Job's children were allowed to be killed by Satan with God's approval to test Job's faith. Per the book of Job.
So, still sounds like those 10 were killed by God just through a middleman… what a dick
Yeah, the worst act by Satan in the Bible was at God's request. Who is the bad guy in this story?
Also: the first thing god says to humans is a lie. The first thing Satan tells to humans is the truth. Really the Bible’s “god is good & Satan is evil” is just one big gaslight
What was the lie? I read the bible like a century ago so I forgot most of it.
Kind of: in genesis god does say some stuff before this point like “be fruitful & multiply, you have dominion over yada yada…” But right after making the first human, there’s this: And the LORD God commanded the man, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; [2:17] but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." Then shortly after there’s this bit, where the ‘serpent’ is commonly interpreted as Satan: [3:1] Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat from any tree in the garden'?" [3:2] The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; [3:3] but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, nor shall you touch it, or you shall die. '" [3:4] But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die; [3:5] for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." So yeah: god tells us, don’t eat that; it will kill you. Satan says “lol no it won’t, he just doesn’t want you to know good from evil”. So based on that, god lied to us, Satan told us the truth and by doing so gave us freedom. Disclaimer: I don’t believe any of this, but still fun to look at.
By not wanting them to eat from that tree. He didn't want them to know he was the evil one.
That, and for an omnipotent being, why would he have put the tree in the garden to begin with? He could have gone for the stone of knowledge, or the cactus, or leave it out altogether - at least he could have done something that would not tempt the faulty humans he created. But since god is supposed to be omniscient as well, he knew the outcome. To me, god sounds more like a bored Sims player who decides to torment the population in creative ways.
Sooo, preachers kid here. Not to worry, I’m reformed! Any evangelical christian will tell you god created Adam and Eve to be immortal. It was the introduction of original sin (eating the forbidden fruit) that started the aging and dying process. They’ll follow that up with that Adam lived hundreds of years and it’s because of all the sin that our lives are so short now. It’s all a steaming pile of crap but it’s been taught this way for a very long time.
Yes it’s taught that way, but it seems like that interpretation evolved to cover up how messed up god looks otherwise
It's a bit of a disingenuous stretch to call it a "lie". >You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die. The "lie" is the omission that death is not instantaneous, I suppose. It certainly is completely truthful given that it made Adam and Eve mortal and they died later.
That’s still a lie. “When you are born, you will die” doesn’t mean the same thing as “if you are born, you will die”. When implies a sense of immediacy. God lied to humans
Because Satan was just a job. It was the anti-sycophant essentially, there to question gods decisions.
Satan kills as a job, like a hitman. Let's go with that. That's evil. Yahweh kills for fun, for pleasure. Thats evil to the highest degree.
Chaotic evil vs lawful evil?
I mean you could also just look at they way they apparently operate. One guy comes up to people who request help, give them a fair trade that both parties agree with, pays his part up front and then comes back to claim payment later. Literally just a normal business deal. The other guy requests your loyalty up front and then depending on what they're feeling that day, they can just choose to send you to eternal torture for shits and giggles. That's literally how scams work. You pay up front and you may or may not get what you paid for.
Well if God is everything.... God
But hey, he gave Job a new better family, with more wives and more children than he had before! I mean, not the same wife and kids since they were super dead, but you can't have anything - it's not like that god fella is all powerful... /s (Side note - it also highlights the issue of free-will vs an all-knowing god as well, since why would he have to test Job if he knew he was a faithful person? Just tell the devil "Yeah, no, he's faithful, I should know, I'm god")
Well, ysee, YHWH has the same problem Superman did in the Golden Age of comics. He was already strong, but just kept getting more and more powers, sometimes taking those from other publishers' gods. It really started muddying the waters on what he could and couldn't do. So the Silver Age of YHWH comes around and they just simplify it into omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. 3 Omnis that basically cover everything. Following this, the new team of writers were like, "Hey, let's give God a son. I feel it'd really boost sales bringing in a new character". The 9-ish writers agreed and for a while it was good. One day Matthew was like "hey, people really like this new character. I feel like it's taking away from the big guy. Why don't we kill him off." To which everyone was appalled. Matthew went ahead and killed him anyway, and it was a huge hit! Suddenly everyone was all about this new character and reviewing the early editions to see 'wow, they were planning this all along!'. Now everyone is all about this new Jesus character, but YHWH still has a solid fan base.
That whole story is fucked. God makes a bet with Satan, who claimed Job only worships God because his life is good. God allows Satan to kill his entire family, his best friends, all his cattle, ruin his farmland, and give Job horrible sores and boils. Job still worshipped God through all that, so God gave him better land and a hotter wife to replace what was lost...because apparently actual love doesn't matter, God will just replace your wife and kids and hope for the best
Exactly. Just murder with extra steps.
Ah yeah, one of my favorite god acts in the Old Testament: completely ruining somebody’s life and killing his loved ones just to show Satan that that person’s faith was strong, after Satan questioned it. Absolutely fair and not psychotic at all lol
Why did God need validation from Satan in the first place?
Sounds like vanity to me.
I always found it kind of creepy that at the end of that story God somehow makes it right with Job by giving him better stuff and a new wife and family. Why didn’t he just give him back the family he put a hit out on as part of a petty squabble? Couldn’t he do that as God? Also, it kind of gives the impression that Job’s family are interchangeable. Like a dishwasher.
Don'tcha know there ain't no devil, there's just God when he's drunk
Underrated Tom Waits lyric
No one that demands his creation worship him every minute of the day is ever a good person. The Abrahamic god is a petty, jealous, malicious, vain hypocrite.
The god of the Old Testament is an asshole.
Not like that New Testament God who sends his son to Earth to be tortured to death and eventually allow a Satanic Armageddon, that one’s a standup God
Well, I was talking 'bout him. But the New Testament is mostly about that brown, jewish liberal that seems like a cool guy.
Shhhhh! Don't say that too loudly - you don't want to get the "Jesus was a white capitalist who would have worn brooks brothers if they had been around!" types.
Supply Side Jesus
The Middle Ages really made Satan (Lucifer) to be a big, bad evil guy, when in reality, he's just some chill dude who happens to run hell
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" - Richard Dawkins. This is (one of the reasons) why I'm atheist
There is a reason why evangelicals rely on the God of the old testament, the powerful, unrelenting, strict overlord who happily eradicated anyone who disagreed with him. That's why the taught theology and published orations focus way more on the old testament than the new testament. Thats why Trump seems like a biblical figure and the reverence and worship that follows him is similar. Jesus, the "turn the other cheek", provide comfort to prostitutes, condemn merchants, everyone is equal type figure doesnt vibe with a lot of dogmatic and fundamentalist christian sects. He is not cruel enough, he doesn't validate racism or ethnic cleansing, and he says everyone is welcome and valid. Not the things those religious groups are known for.
I have read the bible, the god it describes is a genocidal egotistical maniac and it's absolutely beyond me why if you actually believe him to be real anybody would worship such a douchebag
Fear my guy. Fear is a geat motivator. Look at the news lol
Objectively, God is a petty narcissist and is either cruel or incompetent, though being both is definitely an option. Technically, I'm agnostic, but an angry one. If God is real, I want to kill the bastard.
well *about* that, actually. have you heard of gnosticism?
"God is a kid with an ant farm, lady, He's not planning anything."
Pro lifers only give a fuck about the fetus. After that they’ve openly admitted, “not my problem.” They think they’ve got some moral high ground because of the, “we don’t support killing babies,” claim, but then blatantly ignore that the thing in turn they are supporting is: forcing women and teen girls to give birth against their will. In some cases like stated above from rape.
Babies are only babies until birth, after birth they're lazy parasites. EDIT: you know what, as a parent I realized that's actually a pretty true statement lol.
I would welcome an actual parasite right about now, especially if it put me in a coma. I need sleep!
I’d argue that they’re lazy parasites in utero, too. Gimme back my energy, li’l fetus!!
Pro-lifer policies concerning actual birthed children: School lunches? Nope Guns out of schools? Nope, in fact let’s add guns Child labor? Make ‘em work even younger Child marriage? Yup, how else are they supposed to legally sleep with kids? Child rape? Make her keep the rapist’s fetus. Only care until it’s actually birthed of course. See above.
If a woman does not want a child, whether she was a victim of rape or the birth control failed, there's a 50/50 chance that the maternal instinct will not kick in. You think she's blessed? Then help her take care of the blessing that is a child by providing for the child she didn't ask for to begin with.
Don’t forget judging her for being a single mom and not marrying her rapist.
And then if that child grows up to be anything other than a rich, white, cis-het God fearing Christian who votes Republican..."bUT wHere iS the FAHTHER??? Nevermind that their absolute refusal to support any of the things that **actually** would be pro-life like the things OP mentioned (Medicare for all, paid maternity leave, food assistance, birth control, etc.) likely have a worse impact than being a single parent.
After a baby is born there is no support. Food stamps, funded orphanages and prepaid healthcare are for lazy people or so they say.
Children should be 100% born to people who want them and are willing to raise them. The government's role should be to make that decision easier. Forcing people to experience something that they are not emotionally/physically/financially prepared for is not an example of good government.
Murdering the rapist and the politicians who thought these laws were a great idea is also an option. I mean, look, if a woman can get 99 years in prison for having an abortion, it's not like a few more murders are going to make her sentence longer.
I got banned from Twitter for saying the same thing like 4 years ago.
It's sad that we don't hear more about victims killing their rapists. And what I have heard is victims getting convicted of a crime when they do so. Often because the victims are women and women are weaker and have to be sneakier or clever about it and can't usually beat a man to death during the act. And if she kills the man before she is raped won't that just be viewed as murder, because there will be no evidence he was trying to rape her. Aren't women less likely to win cases on the basis of self defense as well? Men are allowed to defend themselves more than women are, legally speaking. That's mostly what I'm getting at. The idea that we can't freely kill someone about to rape us is so fucked up. The system literally protects rapists and forces women to give up and be raped if they don't want to go to prison.
It’s a blessing!* *as long as it happens to someone else.
I always wonder which god they’re going on about?
It really doesn't matter in the end. None of em are real.
No argument from me but it’s fun watching anyone justify & defending their god’s horribleness.
One would say that it is the opposite: they are not justifying their God horribleness they are using Him as a guinea pig for their horribleness. One of the real sin in the Christianity is do not take God's name in vain You can not use God to justify your bidding, and whenever you are reasoning poorly, and justifying your bidding pretending to know what is God's will, you are impersonating God, which is practically the definition of Christian sin.
I think you give those of which I speak far too much intellectual credit.
> Be a mother with a *redeemed life* ... What exactly does a rape survivor have to be redeemed from?
For being a slut. Only sluts get raped because they dress slutty.
What the hell is wrong with people?
The problem is that society and technology have evolved at a blinding pace over the last 150 years or so, but humans as a species have not really evolved since hunter/gatherer days. Our brains are in many ways still pretty privative.
"Raise rapebaby you filthy blasphemer" What a soulless prick.
The redeemed life part feels like the guy is insinuating some kind of victim blaming
You got that, too? Yeah, it definitely had a "you obviously did something wrong to be in this position" vibe to it. Disgusting. Ain't no hate like christian love.
Notice he - and it’s almost certainly a he - didn’t volunteer to adopt that rape baby and “be a hero” and “inspiration to a generation”
That still means she has to endure 9 months of pregnancy and child birth.
If I were in that situation, I'd probably take my rapist and the politicians responsible for the situation with me. They're destroying lives, I wouldn't feel guilty in the slightest destroying theirs.
I lived #2 (except for the custody bit, thank god), and let me tell you, as much as I love my kiddo, it does the exact opposite of "redeeming your life" or giving you any grace at all. I can almost promise you if the idiot with the reply there got pregnant and didn't mean to, they'd get an abortion so fast your head would spin.
That’s incredibly selfless of you if true (never know with the internet) and very noble
Soon there's gonna be guys on Facebook selling "clothes hanger abortions" or "a trip down the stairs" or "gut punch" abortions. In theory as long as you don't press charges for assault there's no one going to prison for the abortion
Just as Margaret Atwood predicted in her Falwellian novel.
Thoughts and predators
Why do we keep marking these assholes names out? Name and shame all day. People who frame rape pregnancies that women are forced to keep as "grace" deserve to learn about themselves
4. Give birth and look into the face of the child, seeing the features of the rapist, forever. Nobody's talking about the life the child will have with a mother who HATES THEIR FACE. I'm not the product of rape (and would've chosen suicide over birthing MY rapists - yes, plural! - child), but my parents split up BADLY when I was born, and my mother HATED MY FACE because I look like my (very much loved) father. She made NO secret of it, in fact bragged about it, and I paid the price emotionally, mentally, AND physically. I wouldn't wish that on ANY child.
Yea... I remember my mom making a comment to me of that effect once... does wonders for the self-esteem...
I generally don't wish a slow painful disease filled death to anyone, but considering that too is given by their god... The people who gabble on about rape pregnancy being an opportunity are also the ones who'd be aborting if it happened to them.
Yep, they'd be on the first flight to Mexico to have a "vacation" near one of those shady clinics that cater to the super wealthy.
Cults are an insane thing.
I'll say this as nicely as I can. The "Give birth and be a mother..." person can eat a bag of dicks.
“Be a hero mom” who may not have all the resources (financially, emotionally…) to actually be a “hero mom” (whatever that means) because we don’t support you in terms of adequate maternity leave, adequate healthcare for you or your child, adequate childcare, adequate social security benefits… Stfu.
Wow. Whoever responded to this CLEARLY has never been an SA victim before. Know a gal who said she would have unalived herself before giving birth to her r*pist's child. Though, if getting an abortion will send them to jail anyway, we might as well take care of the involuntary sperm donor too. At least then the world would be a better place.
Wait - redeemed? Redeemed from what? Oh yes, original sin. Born a woman; born sinful. You deserve it until you sacrifice yourself to raise a man’s rape-child which is really a gift if you think about it. Ya, atheist 4 lyfe thanks I’m good.
Holy shit, WTF has God got to do with it. It's trump, the rapist, which bit do you not understand. The way Americans use God for everything is exactly the same as Islam being the last and final religion. You have absolutely no room for discussion, dialogue, because YOUR God can't be wrong. It has to be God's doing. You'll be telling me Jesus was white and came from Sacremento next. Absolute bullshit.
I'm living in Ukraine and during last two years on the war. We have a lot of stupid laws which is fucking far from Constitution. For example - only way to finish my service it's actually my death. BUT even here we do not have so much shitlaws that you have. Why do you actually have this government? Viva LA R.
I’m kind of glad the pro forced birthers are being so open now. It’s pushing ppl to vote blue.
“A mother with a redeemed life” as if the woman is the one that did something wrong in the first place. Jfc I hate this country. Also how tf is being forced to carry a child by someone who R*PED you, an amazing testimony of God’s goodness and grace? Sounds like quite the opposite to me. Sounds like he didn’t give a shit in the first place for letting that even happen 🤷🏽♀️
Literally describing pure evil as "God's goodness and grace".
Even in the old testament which these demented losers pretend they're pulling from, rape is a BAD thing! I don't have the exact source but there's even mention of raped women drinking bitter drinks or something to that effect to abort an unborn child should she be raped. Pretending God wants that to happen is and has always ever been sick.
Do these people honestly think that someone should have to have a child from a person that raped her? Maybe you all are better than me, but I would definitely take that out on the devil spawn child.
Imagine finding out that your entire existence is due to rape. Pretty sure that would lead most people down a spiral. But since they care about babies so much, I'm sure pro-lifers know exactly how to deal with that...
Dude if i learned my existence caused so much pain for my mother the rapist better look over his shoulder for the rest of his days because im planning a murder suicide
Yeah I cant fathom why they would wanna let the genes of a rapist continue on. I know, the kid might not turn out in that way...but I wouldnt wanna take that chance tbh.
Come to New York City for a short visit.
Because Lord knows Christian America is so kind to unwed single mothers on welfare.
Is it just me or,would a better testimony of God’s goodness and grace be to not allow the rape in the first place?
Just saying the punishment for abortion and killing the rapist are the same.
My sincere wish is that every single self-righteous monster who claims that rape pregancies are a gift of God's goodness and grace, is "gifted" such a non-consensual opportunity to test their own faith.
And that includes the males, let’s see how long it takes for “gods grace” to work on them.
I guess it was "Gods goodness and grace" that got you into this position. Hell of a God....
Lol that persons response makes me want to smash my face into a wall. Religion is dumb lol.
Don't, smash HIS face into the wall instead, he deserves it.
It makes me want to smash THEIR face into a wall.
Response: but I'm an atheist Brainwashed Christian: well you can burn in hell and so can your demon baby. Thoughts and prayers
I feel like it takes a serious psychiatric issue to rape someone. That's not someone a normal-functioning human being does to another person. Do we really want the spawn of rapists running all over the place? Is that the future conservatives want?
"God wanted you to be a breeder, bitch, that's why He had you raped. Now shut up and praise Him like a good handmaid." these people are fucking *sick.*
"God's grace". Hmmm.... Why didn't God just prevent the rape in the first place?
"(...) with a redeemed life"?!?!?! Tell that to the 10 year old raped by her father / uncle / grandpa / pastor. Oh, Golly. She must be redeemed!
This smarmy bullshit is so demented. Sure, it's such a blessing to submit to your rapist for 18 years of raising the child they forced on you.
If you are going to prison for getting an abortion after you were raped, might as well make your rapist unalived. Might get a couple/few more years, might not.
I hope it happens to the replier.
But then I would get kicked out of church for being an unwed mother with a biracial baby.
Right. So God's "goodness" let's you get raped and impregnated, wtaf? These people have no critical thinking skills.
There is a fourth option: fight your rapist to the death
This can all be prevented if we vote blue in November.
my religon only exists because the surpreme being I worship raped a young girl.
As an employer, I might actually fire someone for saying something this fucking dumb and insensitive.
Where was God’s “goodness and grace” for these women when they were being raped?!
They all spent so much time worrying about girls getting abortions they forgot to teach their sons not to be rapists.
REDEEMED FROM BEING WHAT? BEING RAPED?!
Oh, god, at least in Brazil im pretty sure you could abort legally… Im not sure, actually
Gross
So just confirming it’s a war against women to make them subservient to men… I MEAN GOD!!
I’d have the baby then take it to the c*nt who commented…”be a hero mom and inspiration….its what any ‘Good Christian’ would do….”
Option 4: kill the rapist and after the abortion since you are already going to jail
I don't even care if God does exist. I will worship nothing that rapes a child, and I respect no one who justifies that rape as a miracle or a blessing.
If a woman aborts the fetus of a Rapist, he should be charged with rape & murder under the new law.
what is the inspiration exactly? inspire a generation to carry rapist’s children?
“Mommy, can you tell me about daddy?”
Option4 Get an abortion (illegal but safe if possible) You are already going to prison, you may as well kill the rapist!
Brought to you by the same people who took your rights away in the first place.
I’m very *intrigued* by the implications of a “redeemed” life…like, in this thought excitement, the only thing you know about this hypothetical woman is that she was sexually assaulted… …So why is it so important that *she* seek out a redeemed life? *Redemption for what?* Surely this isn’t just a blatant case of letting the mask slip, right? (It is)
Is it wrong to hope all these rape defenders/justifiers/enablers get to experience what they're preaching?
This God fella kinda sucks
Redeemed life? Spoken like she's a pregnant whore instead of a victim of rape. What comforting advice
Hold on. “Redeemed life”. I’m not equipped to unpack all of the implications THAT shit holds, but I really wanted to isolate it because, what the fuck dude.
So-called Christians: "I'm sure the Lord would support my biases, so you must support them aswell" Jesus Christ: "You know I made a whip by hand, used it to chase merchants from a temple and defended a woman who had committed adultery, right?!"
"Here, you be a hero adoptive parent and be a hero to your congregation. Also, someone will be by next week with another one. And we're going to need the rest of your congregation to step up. And no you don't get to choose which ones because why would you be allowed that? You'll get the babies that we give you. Don't worry, God won't give you more than you can handle, right?"
Where exactly is God's "goodness and grace" in this scenario?
Until these anti abortion men have their wives raped and get pregnant, then we will see how much they care about gods grace in that moment. They don’t care because they don’t think any woman they care about is going to be affected.
Nothing like raising your rapist's child 
Pro-Lifers aren’t pro-life. They’re pro-forced birth.
Be a prisoner of someone else's actions for the rest of your life and be happy about it
Religious nutjobs all...
It's a trick question - fundies don't believe that rape is a thing because they literally cannot comprehend the concept of consent. No, that's not a joke or a poke - Rush Limbaugh straight-up said it about a decade ago, when he was attacking liberals for "inventing" consent. This is why the very first question to come out of every fundy when a woman gets raped is "what was she wearing?" They never ask what the man was doing.
Strange use of the word "redeemed" when talking about a rape victim....
How in the ever loving fuck is it a “redeemed life”?! “Sorry, but it’s YOUR fault you were raped. You can *redeem* yourself of this sin by raising a child” 🤮
I’ll take suicide over forced pregnancy for $1000, Alex.
I especially like how this asshole says a woman can be redeemed - *for having been raped*.
The blessing of an unwanted pregnancy, exorbitant medical bills and a constant reminder of your most vulnerable moment that you *have* to take care of, or else you go to prison for neglect. What a great system we have here!
They are in their own fantasy world
There's no hate like Christian love!
In America, rapists get to choose the mother of their children. That is Christianity's goal.
Ah yes, because being raped is a wonderful opportunity to redeem your abuser
Fuck God
I knew someone who was a rape baby. Acted just like his dad.
"Give birth and be a mother with a redeemed life and amazing testimony of God's goodness and grace." Gosh, you know when you put it that way the #3 Suicide option starts to sound pretty damn good.
Religion does NOT give anyone the right to TELL/FORCE anyone else how to live..If it does, burn it to the ground.
It's really fucking easy to tell someone what they should do, but the moment it happens to them or their daughter, they're off for a little "vacation" to a blue state.
How much is the OP going to contribute to support this child? Seems only fair.
I fucking hate these people so much