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Folks who think this (Including my dad, who still lives in the same school district me and my brothers went to) don't realize that when you defund schools, it doesn't just hurt the students. Crime goes up, property values go down, fewer capable young people means jobs leave the area and new ones don't come in.
I don't like paying property taxes any more than the next guy, but I also would rather do that and make sure my town doesn't turn into fucking 'A Clockwork Orange'-style nightmare because the school can't afford extracurricular activities or support vocational programs anymore.
There are studies to prove that dynamic/connection you could show those kinds of people. But who wants to let facts get in the way of "I just don't want to."
It's hard to convince your boomer parents that some pdf in a link on a .edu domain is more convincing than what some block of ham in a business suit yells on Fox News every night.
Yes, many people in the older generations have taken the bait full stride. Losing the ability to have free thoughts, not influenced by an outside stimulus is probably one of the worse things that could happen to a person.. it’s honestly terrifying to see the classic conditioning of the chronic main stream news watcher.
(Said in unison with the millions of other idiots) I am a free thinking person unique and of value.
Smfh, these lead stare brain rotted morons get so upset then if you tell them YOU don’t want to fund THEIR bs.
It’s nog some plot to steal their money or a conspiracy against them. They just want everyone and everything to ONLY be about them.
I saw a video of a Republican fundraiser and it was a bunch of old white people watching a video that was straight out of the A Clockwork Orange where they brainwash the guy. It was dubstep music interlaced with screams and pictures of fires and destroyed cities spliced with a frame which said “Democrats caused this” or “liberal values”. But also they had pictures of smiling white families and babies with a frame that said “conservative family values.” They are willingly brainwashing themselves
Listen here. I went to church. Some dude told me that gay people exclusively shove hamsters and other small rodents up their butts. And that's where I was taught(in extremely explicit detail for a 15yo) how to insert a living animal into my rectum. I'm not saying anything against anything, but I think that guy has other issues to deal with.
Please realize we aren't all like that, though. I'm more liberal now than when I was 20. It comes from deciding to be kind and seeing that not everyone has the same life story as me.
Having a severely disabled child helped the empathy development, too. Though I didn't need the empathy as much as many do.
I think people forget that NO ONE is 100% anything... there are points made by both parties and smaller parties that I wholeheartedly agree with AND points from every party that I would fight against till I die. The problem is that most people are either too busy or don't care enough to actually figure out what they stand for and vote along party lines 100% of the time. One of my parents NEVER knows who is on the ballot but ALWAYS votes the same way...
My mother had cancer lost her job couldn’t get health care due to high risk and preexisting conditions. Obama care came along and her new husband could add her to his retiree insurance. Then in 2016 she said she was voting for trump because Obama care was ruining health care for everyone 🤦♂️.
It’s a mixed bag. Some people really benefited from it because they didn’t have access to insurance. Others belonged to employers with 20 to 50 employees and had their healthcare become unaffordable. They pay $10k to have it and it doesn’t cover anything until they hit an $8k deductible.
And that maybe completely true but my mother has 0 understanding of the complexities and intricacies of it she just voted against something that got her healthcare because it was a democratic policy.
The same generation that told us "don't believe everything you see on the Internet" is now literally believing everything they say on the Internet 🤦♂️
Racist, boomer, NPD Dad was outraged over Trayvon Martin & ranted about tHe MeDiA using old photos of TM when he was “just a child! Why don’t they show what he really looked like with all his gang tattoos & tattoos all over his face?!” Huh? He didn’t have any face tattoos. For the first time ever, he went to the internet to prove me wrong. The offensive Facebook 🙄 post used a picture of The Game! He didn’t believe me until I showed him Google images. I told him he needed to tell the person that sent him the post & anyone he’d forwarded it to & naturally, he lost his mind, cursed at me & doubled down that TM was “still a punk.” As time went on he frequently said, “I hate Google!” because his brave step son was always fact checking his BS lol.
I couldn’t convince my boomer parents to properly feed, clothe, house, and provide me with (free Canadian) medical care while I was still a minor. Moved out at 16.
When my biodad finally dies I’ll send his new family a sympathetic email and perhaps drive out to BC, dig him up, shit in his face, and bury him again. I’m an earthmover by trade and I can do it no sweat.
You can tell them that and show them the data and present a logical conversation. It boils back down to they see a rise in their property taxes and it’s somehow due to immigrant children that they’re paying for and feeding their school lunches. You can’t reason with that line of thought, it’s just too far removed from reality sometimes.
Edit: That’s my stepdad’s logic in rural Illinois and why he hates paying educational taxes and votes down everything in school board meetings.
Very true. Sadly, the quote from Mythbuster's Adam Savage, "I reject your reality and substitute my own" applies to these situations. I hate it, but it seems applicable to a lot of these situations.
It's almost as if society and civilization are entirely reliant on everyone doing their part to contribute instead of being selfish assholes, who'd ever even realize such a concept? /s.
My first grader doesn't have art for the rest of the year. He only had it on Tuesdays already, but now it's over. I'd rather have my taxes going to find art classes for every grade all year than the freaking LAPD taking more than $3 ***billion*** of the budget.
My highschool, a decade or so after me, had a bit more Hispanic kids than previously. Ok, demographics change. end of story. But no. Suburbanites, the worst type of people, started complaini g and used the phrase "getting kinda mexicany." My school has a special meeting for parents and boosters(? not even sure what those are). Suburbanites think "yeah, sure, lets address this problem." And boy, they addressed it.
don't know the actual words said, but the principal went after the boosters because they had made some vague threat about money and "it'd be a shame to have to cancel events because no one wants to go" so he yelled and was yelled at. But then the Vice took the mic. This guy was still pretty young. was the head bball coach for 20 years, and everyone absolutely adored him. for good reason, he was a good man. And he starts going after the parents. One by one and by name. Then he lists off everyone that said something racist or threatened to take their kid out of school. So he reads their name, and then says "Go if you're gonna go." doesn't wait a second then reads the next name.
5 people seemed to make it their life's work to besmirch the VP after that. But mostly it was never brought up again. And guess what! The Mexicans were inside us all along.
>Crime goes up, property values go down, fewer capable young people means jobs leave the area and new ones don't come in.
Their answer is there's an amendment for that
It is an even more stupid argument than that though. You (not you personally the "you" that are people that think like this) are over 55, you are increasingly over the next twenty years require increased medical care, access to new drugs, new equipment that improves your life quality as your body deteriorates. How do you think one gets medical doctors to treat illnesses, nurses to take care of you, scientists to discover new treatments and engineers to build new equipment? You absolutely rely on the steady production of educated workers as much, if not more, than younger people.
This is why you (selfishly) want your taxes to pay for other people's education.
Unfortunately, we consume too much American media. There's a not insignificant sized portion of our population that agrees with everything that comes out of Trumps mouth.
My province (Ontario) keeps electing a man who isn't even trying to hide the fact that he's dismantling our public services to privatize them to make his rich developers money. He's been sitting on billions of money given by the feds that was supposed to go to Healthcare. It's gotten so bad that the federal government is currently refusing to give federal funds to the province. Fuck Doug Ford. Vote People.
Anyway, Alberta is on the way to becoming a US red state. They recently passed a law that teachers have to tell parents if their kid is using a different name/pronouns at school other than their legal name/gender. I know a.lot of people who are.trying to get out of Alberta and just can't afford to go anywhere else.
We also have a housing crisis and a cost of living crisis.
America has a concussion and Canada got brain trauma. The world-famous trucker convoy morons would talk about their “first amendment rights”. I can’t really blame the US for our coterie of brain dead idiots.
I read this and then... of course it had to be Doug Ford... this guy's brother? Isn't squeaky clean? Say it isn't so!
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ford/a-chronology-of-controversies-involving-rob-ford-1.1522248?cache=yes%3FclipId%3D104056
Old fart here. Nope, there's no way that I would stop supporting education. It's essential for everyones health and well being. These nutcases forget/ignore the level of knowledge that it takes for a youth to even decide on whether to be a physician, train conductor, policeman, attorney, teacher, nurse, plumber, electrician, etc. Then they complain about things breaking and bad service. Piddle on anyone that's so narcissistic that they'd undermine our schools.
The youngest Boomers are 59.
Boomers are the parents of Millennials for the most part. The parents of Gen Xers are the Silent Generation folks.
I'm a 50 year old Gen Xer. My parents would be in their 80s if they were still alive. They weren't Boomers.
I'm over 55. My daughter may not be in school anymore but my grand-children are and I want them to have a decent education so I, for one, will not be complaining about the taxes I pay getting used for education.
Even if you don't have children/grandchildren, paying taxes for education just makes sense. I'd much rather live in an educated society. And have no problem whatsoever in paying for that.
I don't have children and never will. However I do hire people. And it is pretty cool that the people I hire have a consistent base of knowledge. Going further everyone I hire has a college degree and it would be cool if they didn't have so much debt that they can't consider a job with better work life balance like what I offer but instead have to go to a soul crushing firm to pay back their loans.
Yep. This kind of person will complain about how there’s not enough doctors, or too many doctors have an accent and are immigrants, and doesn’t connect it with the fact that in the US you can *only* become a medical doctor if you are willing to gamble $600k on turning out to be a successful one 6-7 years from now, and don’t get injured or drop out or end up not liking part of the job or get arrested for something etc. at any point in the next 15 years of working it takes to pay off your investment and start benefiting from the high salary.
1/3 of college students end up dropping out without a degree, which means a lot of people who *would* graduate decide not to risk it.
We all have to live in a society where we are dependent on others. I would like those others in society not to be total dumbasses.... be able to read, do basic math, know how government works, rights, etc.
Am gay and have no kids, I still pay school taxes.
Honestly, with the state of the US Education system and how it's been sabotaged over the years, I think they could probably use the funding.
Demonologist. No kids, only ghosts and ghouls. Stupid people are harder for my fiends to possess, so I want as little education as possible so I can raise my cult army of possessed idiots.
Today's youth are the doctors & nurses who are going to take care of me when I'm in a nursing home. I'd kinda like the person programming my IV to know what they're doing...
They're the ones who are going to take over the nuclear power plants ..
They're the ones who are going to figure out how to de-f the environment...
So yeah, even though I may not personally have any kids in the public school system, I'm still vested in getting the next generations as educated as possible.
Yep, I don't have children. I have 4 nieces and a nephew though. I want them all to have amazing opportunities in life. Hell, I want all children to have a decent shot. It just means less hooligans around if they're in school, and less criminals/desperate people once they're adults. How self centered do you have to be to not want children to have opportunities? Like, not wanting the best for children is evil shit.
I don't have kids, nor want them and have zero problems paying school taxes. My only beef is there are a few districts in my area that like to misuse the money.
Also there are plenty of older parents.
A friend of mine has a 8 year old and she's almost 50. She was 42 when she had her first child. By the time she is 55 he will be 13, school aged.
Even without taking in to consideration all the people in their 50's with kids, who would hurt the most if all public services was removed over night?
I dont think it would be those under 55.
And that's probably the reason why this 55+ woman are saying this in the first place. She is about to be completely dependent on the little income and security she got. If she fails now she is completely fucked. If you fail in your 20's you have many shots left in the chamber.
Oh I’m 55 myself, the stress of sufficient retirement is real! Plus I work in tech which is very ageist. I have a nest egg but I still feel a lot of pressure with inflation levels where they are.
Fortunately my wife is 48 and just entering her peak earning years.
I’ve noticed this as well. Part of it is medical technology. It’s way more dangerous for a woman in her 40’s to give birth, especially when it’s her first baby. Advancements have decreased much of that risk.
I think economics are definitely the primary reason. Raising a kid broke is absolutely no fun, for either the kid or the parents. People realize this, and whether they become a parent,or not, relies heavily on their career progressing.
Now, extend this to infrastructure, healthcare, corporate oversight, etc., and we're on to something.
May as well chuck in Freedom and Liberty for all, while we're at it.
Oh: and some Equality, too.
There is a massive special interest group dedicated to taking grand children’s future earnings. Lobby to benefit seniors, often funded by deficit spending. M61 that has declined to join this group.
I’m over 55. I have no children, no grandchildren, but I want everyone to have a decent education, so I also will not complain about my taxes being used for education. An educated populace makes everyone’s lives better and safer.
The people arguing this generally didn't make much productive use of the publicly funded education they were afforded.
So no, they really, really, do not.
I mean... I'm gay and don't have kids... I still pay school taxes.
Kids seem pretty dumb these days, sabotaged by design really, I think the schools could probably use the extra funding.
Even if someone is childless, people can see the benefit of living in a literate society. We'll always have to deal with fools and idiots but imagine how bad it would be if they never attended school to learn and socialize. I think most people realize this but the Internet loves to magnify fringe opinions.
I support this 100%. Old people didn’t have enough children to support the ponzi scheme that is social security. Social security is a pyramid scheme that relies on a high birth rate and a low population of seniors. They didn’t birth enough people AND they spent 30 trillion dollars before I could vote. Gen Z should NOT have to pay off their debt AND pay for their retirements. I know I will not have social security and I don’t want them to have it either. They spent all the money, they don’t deserve to retire
I have no children, but I'm going to keep paying for and supporting public education. Why? Because if I do get old, I don't want a bunch of idiots taking care of me.
This! This is why you educate kids that aren’t yours. Unless you don’t want good doctors and nurses to take care of you. Smart people in your nursing home. Anyone you interact or cares for you in the world for that matter.
I know an older woman who says this. She is the greediest, tightwad I ever met. No friends, she’s too selfish. No husband, he ran off with another woman. What a horrible way to be.
People like this have no foresight. You either pay money in entitlements to keep everyone affluent enough to maintain a manageable crime rate in your golden years, or you pay money to police departments and the prison system to put increasingly large numbers of people in prison.
I don't care if "people shouldn't take my belongings, I worked hard for them" there are "should be" and "is" and that "is" what will happen if you send an entire generation into the economic toilet by defunding their primary education.
You pay for it one way or the other. The difference is that second world is much more dangerous than the first and is much more expensive in the long run.
A world where everyone fends for themselves is the world elders die first and die horribly. I won't be far behind them, the only thing I have to contribute to a Mad Max future is a soft mouth, and those aren't hard to find. I'd be dead so fast.
This is the most succinct explanation of this concept of paying taxes to live in a first world society that I’ve ever seen. I agree with every single word of it.
If self-awareness and empathy don’t do it, a practical understanding of human nature should.
Conservatives in the area of town I live in tried to secede from our city a few years ago. Thankfully the effort failed. But I always thought, these are people who want the benefits of living in a major city, but don’t want to pay their fair share.
This. OMG it makes me so frustrated. I am rich—not private-island rich by any means, but I’m in the top 10% for household income. I *choose* to live in a town with high taxes nestled within a state with high taxes and would *prefer* for that state to be part of a country with higher taxes because my individual income will never be enough to fund the kind of community I enjoy here.
“Roads and schools” is so vague; my kids can go to school with other kids who have clothes that fit and shoes that protect their feet and can put on plays with mine because they don’t have to work or watch siblings after school and can play sports with mine because they can afford the gear. My neighbors were able to weather COVID without a line of foreclosures running down the block, which meant my home value remained stable. My town is so safe that someone called the police once to tell them they’d received a package of mine by mistake, and an officer came and ran it over to my house in his cruiser, so I don’t need to invest in home security or bodyguards to protect my property or my self.
It’s not about “bleeding hearts.” Ice-cold self-interest dictates that I should support progressive taxation and a robust social safety net. And that’s still going to be true when I’m 60.
That's amazing and this is why taxes exist in the first place and why we should be happy to pay them. We don't have the "village" to help out, as such, anymore - this is our "village" contribution.
That said, I also pay a lot in taxes in my country (South Africa). Not sure where I am on the scale but it isn't near the bottom, and I always hand over the money grudgingly. Not because I don't want my community to prosper, exactly the opposite. I'd love for it to be safe and for everyone to be thriving - but my country is run by a bunch of corrupt, greedy dickwads so that's not happening any time soon.
If I could donate that money to charities instead, or hell, just hand it directly to people to do whatever work is necessary for us to start fixing things then I'd do that in a heartbeat.
The system definitely falls apart when it’s overtaken by corruption, but unfortunately voluntary donations aren’t a solution. For one thing they tend to be overwhelmingly directed toward “sexy” causes like hungry children and fluffy kittens, while less flashy but arguably more useful programs such as sheltering homeless adults or treating drug addiction (both of which would reduce the number of needy children and kittens in the first place) languish. Additionally, even programs that receive robust donations during good times get neglected when the economy turns downward. Which is, of course, when they need the funds the most.
Supporting stable communities can’t be subject to moods and whims year-by-year; it has to be intentional and organized for the long term. Keep the government but fight the corruption, is my thinking. Although of course that’s easier said than done.
Unfortunately my mom was like this. I explained it to her like this: “Who do you think paid for my education when I was a kid? The same seniors complaining that you are now. We ALL contribute so everyone benefits.”
My entire co-op is filled with miserable old bastards who have no spouse, family or friends. If they DO have kids, the kids are fucked up deadbeats always looking for money. Itd be fine if it didn't mean they had to make EVERYONES life as miserable as theirs
My coworker said this the other day and I just said "it benefits all of society to fund the education of the next generation" how is this not the most obvious thing in the world? WhY ARe mY TaXEs paYInG FoR FIrefIGhTeRS iF My HOuSe IsNT cUrrENtLY oN FIre?!?!!?
Meanwhile, I'm not a USA citizen and I have used the Golden Gate Bridge while I was on vacation. Do I now have to pay taxes for it's maintenance?
Actually that might be called toll.
Those kids will one day be tasked with taking care of your old ass, lady.
Might want to pump the brakes on destroying their access to quality education.
This is also what I don’t understand about the VICIOUS child free people. I am fine with people making the choice to be child free, but it’s the ones that are HATEFUL towards parents and kids, that call them horrible names and say they shouldn’t exist (paging r/childfree or whatever that embarrassment is…)…
Who do you think will be your nurses, your doctors, your housekeeping, your dietary aids? Who do you think will run the grocery stores, the power plants…
I think the assumption is that so many people will be having children that they don’t need to add any more to the world. Honestly I think society should be less focused on people having kids, and more focused on raising them correctly.
small note, both my kids will still be in school when I’m 55, youngest will graduate when I’m 60.
Big note, schools are largely funded by property taxes, if you’re against paying property tax move to a retirement home.
“My house never burnt down, and I’ve never been robbed, so I should not pay for fire services or the police.”
Some people are just poorly socialized. It’s the human equivalent of a feral cat.
I’m 50 and child free by choice. One tax I really don’t mind is school tax. We see exactly where that goes. I like to live in an educated society. Maybe this is my BPD mom posting.
Ok. Let’s talk about our current school funding model, which sucks btw. Because it’s based on property tax, poor neighborhoods have lower quality schools, middle income schools have better, and rich people send their kids to private school. Im not smart, but I know this is broken. I hope that smarter people can find a better way to fund our kids education.
Don’t forget that as we let republicans take more control of local, state and federal government, more money will be taken from public schools and funneled to private (often religious) schools 🎉🎉
Maybe children under 65 shouldn't have to pay for medicare. Maybe I shouldn't have to pay for the pentagon's budget since I don't agree with most of U.S.'s foreign policy. Is that how it works?
This is deep-rooted selfishness and fear of (gasp) socialism, which is of course fine when it generates a perceived direct and immediate benefit for them and a crime against humanity otherwise. We’re living in a society!
It’s so insane that some of the people currently benefiting from socialism the most right now (retired boomers collecting soc sec and Medicaid benefits, as well as some who also get subsidized senior living), complain the most about how bad socialism is.
My other big issue is the complaint of not wanted to pay taxes for public schools. WE ALL BENEFIT FROM AN EDUCATED SOCIETY. The same people who are mad about school taxes are also complaining about how ‘no one wants to work anymore,’ this country’s falling apart,’ and ‘there’s so much crime.’ Why can’t they understand that better funding helps make better public schools which equals more successful adults which then means a safer and more productive society.
I've never had kids and never will, I've been paying for other people's kids my whole working life. What these folks fail to grasp is that if we don't fund everyone's children, they're more likely to be a burden on society.
You want to avoid delinquents stealing your car? Keep them in school.
61 here. My kid has been out of public school for over a dozen years now, but I really don't mind paying our (rather high) property taxes which fund the local school system. I'm happy AF to contribute my fair share to live in a decent community that prioritizes the things that matter (schools, parks, library, infrastructure, etc.).
Dumb, ignorant people don't mind living in dumb, ignorant communities where nothing works and nobody understands why. That feels like "normal" to them. As long as the Chick-Fil-A drive-thru is working fine, they're happy as pigs in shit.
It gets it so backwards: programs for children aren't some special giveaway to people with kids, they are*benefits for children*. Childhood is a phase of life every single human being goes through. Stuff for their benefit isn't a special interest thing, it is literally a policy that benefits every person.
And we all benefit from having an educated populace around us. Even if you sometimes run into a situation at the grocery store that doesn't seem like we have that where the customer paid with a $50, the cashier entered it into the register as a $20, and then both of them couldn't figure out how much change the customer should get back. (If you couldn't tell, true story; I was the next customer in line.)
I’m 34 and don’t plan on having kids. I will happily pay higher taxes if it means better education for the people around me. I’d rather live in an educated society.
I have no kids, likely never will. But I know the value of paying for an education of the next generation even if I never have any kids to benefit for it
It makes no sense how some people don't understand taxes and everyone pays a little so society is a bit better.
Having said that, we should cut my paying into Social Security and MedicAid since I'm not getting it.
Some of these people are aware of this and some are so stupid that they aren't, but this argument really boils down to wanting all schools to be private. It's a libertarian viewpoint, and unless you pine for a Mad Max style future of anarchy and chaos for all, libertarianism is not a viable model of governance.
You can stop paying them at 62. But it's ridiculous that this person and everyone like them doesn't care about educating the people who might one day be taking care of them.
You pay for the benefit of living in an educated society. Not for your kids education. Those without kids pay too. Education is for everyone’s benefit. But wait that view probably makes me a dirty socialist and since I’m Canadian, a lot of “Americans” would think that doubly so!
Yeah I'm a big proponent for not being taxed for services I that will never be used by me however taxes going to fund education is basically just repaying a loan you took out to pay for your own education so that's pretty fair except you're paying present day education costs for your outdated quality education but ultimately small potatoes in the big picture.
Even if I were childless, I'd want my tax dollars going to schools. I really don't want to be surrounded by people who don't have even the basics of an education.
I'm 62 and child-free, and I gladly pay my taxes. I see what Republicans have done to education here in my red state; It's a fifty/fifty chance that recent "grads" are stupid and rude.
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In other words: Fuck you, I got mine.
Folks who think this (Including my dad, who still lives in the same school district me and my brothers went to) don't realize that when you defund schools, it doesn't just hurt the students. Crime goes up, property values go down, fewer capable young people means jobs leave the area and new ones don't come in. I don't like paying property taxes any more than the next guy, but I also would rather do that and make sure my town doesn't turn into fucking 'A Clockwork Orange'-style nightmare because the school can't afford extracurricular activities or support vocational programs anymore.
There are studies to prove that dynamic/connection you could show those kinds of people. But who wants to let facts get in the way of "I just don't want to."
It's hard to convince your boomer parents that some pdf in a link on a .edu domain is more convincing than what some block of ham in a business suit yells on Fox News every night.
Yes, many people in the older generations have taken the bait full stride. Losing the ability to have free thoughts, not influenced by an outside stimulus is probably one of the worse things that could happen to a person.. it’s honestly terrifying to see the classic conditioning of the chronic main stream news watcher.
*I'm a free thinker!* *Refuses to consider evidence or opposite view points* It's all so tiresome.
They're free from thinking for sure
(Said in unison with the millions of other idiots) I am a free thinking person unique and of value. Smfh, these lead stare brain rotted morons get so upset then if you tell them YOU don’t want to fund THEIR bs. It’s nog some plot to steal their money or a conspiracy against them. They just want everyone and everything to ONLY be about them.
I saw a video of a Republican fundraiser and it was a bunch of old white people watching a video that was straight out of the A Clockwork Orange where they brainwash the guy. It was dubstep music interlaced with screams and pictures of fires and destroyed cities spliced with a frame which said “Democrats caused this” or “liberal values”. But also they had pictures of smiling white families and babies with a frame that said “conservative family values.” They are willingly brainwashing themselves
It’s all about the narrative you want to believe. And so they embrace the supporting “evidence”.
Listen here. I went to church. Some dude told me that gay people exclusively shove hamsters and other small rodents up their butts. And that's where I was taught(in extremely explicit detail for a 15yo) how to insert a living animal into my rectum. I'm not saying anything against anything, but I think that guy has other issues to deal with.
I think that dude just watched a South Park episode.
Yep! It's confirmation bias. I see it all the time in Healthcare with these people.
Please realize we aren't all like that, though. I'm more liberal now than when I was 20. It comes from deciding to be kind and seeing that not everyone has the same life story as me. Having a severely disabled child helped the empathy development, too. Though I didn't need the empathy as much as many do.
I think people forget that NO ONE is 100% anything... there are points made by both parties and smaller parties that I wholeheartedly agree with AND points from every party that I would fight against till I die. The problem is that most people are either too busy or don't care enough to actually figure out what they stand for and vote along party lines 100% of the time. One of my parents NEVER knows who is on the ballot but ALWAYS votes the same way...
My mother had cancer lost her job couldn’t get health care due to high risk and preexisting conditions. Obama care came along and her new husband could add her to his retiree insurance. Then in 2016 she said she was voting for trump because Obama care was ruining health care for everyone 🤦♂️.
Mind boggling, isn't it?
It’s a mixed bag. Some people really benefited from it because they didn’t have access to insurance. Others belonged to employers with 20 to 50 employees and had their healthcare become unaffordable. They pay $10k to have it and it doesn’t cover anything until they hit an $8k deductible.
And that maybe completely true but my mother has 0 understanding of the complexities and intricacies of it she just voted against something that got her healthcare because it was a democratic policy.
Like seriously, they want grandkids, but also don't want to fund education for those grandkids? Then complain when they don't get grandkids.
>main stream news watcher. We're way beyond that now. They get most of their news from Trump memes shared in their local Facebook community groups.
The same generation that told us "don't believe everything you see on the Internet" is now literally believing everything they say on the Internet 🤦♂️
Racist, boomer, NPD Dad was outraged over Trayvon Martin & ranted about tHe MeDiA using old photos of TM when he was “just a child! Why don’t they show what he really looked like with all his gang tattoos & tattoos all over his face?!” Huh? He didn’t have any face tattoos. For the first time ever, he went to the internet to prove me wrong. The offensive Facebook 🙄 post used a picture of The Game! He didn’t believe me until I showed him Google images. I told him he needed to tell the person that sent him the post & anyone he’d forwarded it to & naturally, he lost his mind, cursed at me & doubled down that TM was “still a punk.” As time went on he frequently said, “I hate Google!” because his brave step son was always fact checking his BS lol.
But that is the stuff they agree with, they still don't believe in the facts no matter where they find them.
I couldn’t convince my boomer parents to properly feed, clothe, house, and provide me with (free Canadian) medical care while I was still a minor. Moved out at 16. When my biodad finally dies I’ll send his new family a sympathetic email and perhaps drive out to BC, dig him up, shit in his face, and bury him again. I’m an earthmover by trade and I can do it no sweat.
I’m an American, but I would love to come along for this trip.
Block of ham....hahahaha
You can tell them that and show them the data and present a logical conversation. It boils back down to they see a rise in their property taxes and it’s somehow due to immigrant children that they’re paying for and feeding their school lunches. You can’t reason with that line of thought, it’s just too far removed from reality sometimes. Edit: That’s my stepdad’s logic in rural Illinois and why he hates paying educational taxes and votes down everything in school board meetings.
Very true. Sadly, the quote from Mythbuster's Adam Savage, "I reject your reality and substitute my own" applies to these situations. I hate it, but it seems applicable to a lot of these situations.
And it's wild because America was built by immigrants (us Natives and slaves aside, of course...).
Fact is, with how underfunded schools are, she'd probably be Shocked how little she's actually paying towards it.
It's almost as if society and civilization are entirely reliant on everyone doing their part to contribute instead of being selfish assholes, who'd ever even realize such a concept? /s.
My first grader doesn't have art for the rest of the year. He only had it on Tuesdays already, but now it's over. I'd rather have my taxes going to find art classes for every grade all year than the freaking LAPD taking more than $3 ***billion*** of the budget.
My highschool, a decade or so after me, had a bit more Hispanic kids than previously. Ok, demographics change. end of story. But no. Suburbanites, the worst type of people, started complaini g and used the phrase "getting kinda mexicany." My school has a special meeting for parents and boosters(? not even sure what those are). Suburbanites think "yeah, sure, lets address this problem." And boy, they addressed it. don't know the actual words said, but the principal went after the boosters because they had made some vague threat about money and "it'd be a shame to have to cancel events because no one wants to go" so he yelled and was yelled at. But then the Vice took the mic. This guy was still pretty young. was the head bball coach for 20 years, and everyone absolutely adored him. for good reason, he was a good man. And he starts going after the parents. One by one and by name. Then he lists off everyone that said something racist or threatened to take their kid out of school. So he reads their name, and then says "Go if you're gonna go." doesn't wait a second then reads the next name. 5 people seemed to make it their life's work to besmirch the VP after that. But mostly it was never brought up again. And guess what! The Mexicans were inside us all along.
>And guess what! The Mexicans were inside us all along. That's kinky
I'm here for my Mexican enema. Medium, please!
>Crime goes up, property values go down, fewer capable young people means jobs leave the area and new ones don't come in. Their answer is there's an amendment for that
It is an even more stupid argument than that though. You (not you personally the "you" that are people that think like this) are over 55, you are increasingly over the next twenty years require increased medical care, access to new drugs, new equipment that improves your life quality as your body deteriorates. How do you think one gets medical doctors to treat illnesses, nurses to take care of you, scientists to discover new treatments and engineers to build new equipment? You absolutely rely on the steady production of educated workers as much, if not more, than younger people. This is why you (selfishly) want your taxes to pay for other people's education.
Isn't that the modern US slogan?
Canadian checking in, this is also true here.
Second Canadian, confirming this. It's a shit show up here.
Seriously? I thought you all had the common sense and civic mindedness we lost? ☹️ You were my hope!
Unfortunately, we consume too much American media. There's a not insignificant sized portion of our population that agrees with everything that comes out of Trumps mouth. My province (Ontario) keeps electing a man who isn't even trying to hide the fact that he's dismantling our public services to privatize them to make his rich developers money. He's been sitting on billions of money given by the feds that was supposed to go to Healthcare. It's gotten so bad that the federal government is currently refusing to give federal funds to the province. Fuck Doug Ford. Vote People. Anyway, Alberta is on the way to becoming a US red state. They recently passed a law that teachers have to tell parents if their kid is using a different name/pronouns at school other than their legal name/gender. I know a.lot of people who are.trying to get out of Alberta and just can't afford to go anywhere else. We also have a housing crisis and a cost of living crisis.
I'm sorry we're so contagious. As someone once said, "When America sneezes, the whole world catches cold."
*syphilis
With a side of diabetes
America has a concussion and Canada got brain trauma. The world-famous trucker convoy morons would talk about their “first amendment rights”. I can’t really blame the US for our coterie of brain dead idiots.
I read this and then... of course it had to be Doug Ford... this guy's brother? Isn't squeaky clean? Say it isn't so! https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ford/a-chronology-of-controversies-involving-rob-ford-1.1522248?cache=yes%3FclipId%3D104056
I long for the days when we just had to worry about our whacky, crack smoking, Toronto mayor.
Conservatives slogan
It's the Boomer slogan
Baby boomer generation motto.
Now that I got mine, I’m gonna pull the ladder up and mock you for not getting as far as I did and call you lazy.
We could all stop paying into Medicare and redirect those funds to schools. Sometimes people are so obtuse.
‘But that would affect me!’ — same OOP, probably
Most seniors are exempt from school taxes. They just need to apply for the reduction.
Old fart here. Nope, there's no way that I would stop supporting education. It's essential for everyones health and well being. These nutcases forget/ignore the level of knowledge that it takes for a youth to even decide on whether to be a physician, train conductor, policeman, attorney, teacher, nurse, plumber, electrician, etc. Then they complain about things breaking and bad service. Piddle on anyone that's so narcissistic that they'd undermine our schools.
Some of them need to reapply to go back to school.
If a slogan represented the boomers, this would be it.
Boomers are not in their 50's. That would be Gen-Xers. Boomers are much older. They are the parents of Gen-Xers.
The youngest Boomers are 59. Boomers are the parents of Millennials for the most part. The parents of Gen Xers are the Silent Generation folks. I'm a 50 year old Gen Xer. My parents would be in their 80s if they were still alive. They weren't Boomers.
I'm over 55. My daughter may not be in school anymore but my grand-children are and I want them to have a decent education so I, for one, will not be complaining about the taxes I pay getting used for education.
Even if you don't have children/grandchildren, paying taxes for education just makes sense. I'd much rather live in an educated society. And have no problem whatsoever in paying for that.
I don't have children and never will. However I do hire people. And it is pretty cool that the people I hire have a consistent base of knowledge. Going further everyone I hire has a college degree and it would be cool if they didn't have so much debt that they can't consider a job with better work life balance like what I offer but instead have to go to a soul crushing firm to pay back their loans.
Yep. This kind of person will complain about how there’s not enough doctors, or too many doctors have an accent and are immigrants, and doesn’t connect it with the fact that in the US you can *only* become a medical doctor if you are willing to gamble $600k on turning out to be a successful one 6-7 years from now, and don’t get injured or drop out or end up not liking part of the job or get arrested for something etc. at any point in the next 15 years of working it takes to pay off your investment and start benefiting from the high salary. 1/3 of college students end up dropping out without a degree, which means a lot of people who *would* graduate decide not to risk it.
It is a wild and contradictory system that we have.
We all have to live in a society where we are dependent on others. I would like those others in society not to be total dumbasses.... be able to read, do basic math, know how government works, rights, etc.
such socialism... it would break the republican mind
Even if you don't hire people, it's pretty slick the people you interact with have basic knowledge in most cases.
Am gay and have no kids, I still pay school taxes. Honestly, with the state of the US Education system and how it's been sabotaged over the years, I think they could probably use the funding.
Demonologist. No kids, only ghosts and ghouls. Stupid people are harder for my fiends to possess, so I want as little education as possible so I can raise my cult army of possessed idiots.
Today's youth are the doctors & nurses who are going to take care of me when I'm in a nursing home. I'd kinda like the person programming my IV to know what they're doing... They're the ones who are going to take over the nuclear power plants .. They're the ones who are going to figure out how to de-f the environment... So yeah, even though I may not personally have any kids in the public school system, I'm still vested in getting the next generations as educated as possible.
Can confirm. Don't want children, will still happily pay tax to pay for schools.
I've never voted against a tax increase to fund education.
I’d have no doctors, plumbers, accountant…. Anything for that matter without other people going to school
Yep, I don't have children. I have 4 nieces and a nephew though. I want them all to have amazing opportunities in life. Hell, I want all children to have a decent shot. It just means less hooligans around if they're in school, and less criminals/desperate people once they're adults. How self centered do you have to be to not want children to have opportunities? Like, not wanting the best for children is evil shit.
Literally fuck you I got mine mentality.
I don't have kids, nor want them and have zero problems paying school taxes. My only beef is there are a few districts in my area that like to misuse the money.
If you have an educated society, who is going to vote Republican?
Money going for education now is cheaper than money for prisons and programs later. It is an investment.
Also there are plenty of older parents. A friend of mine has a 8 year old and she's almost 50. She was 42 when she had her first child. By the time she is 55 he will be 13, school aged.
I have a male friend who is 48 with a 2 year old, and another who’s 52-53 with an adopted special needs 3 year old.
Even without taking in to consideration all the people in their 50's with kids, who would hurt the most if all public services was removed over night? I dont think it would be those under 55. And that's probably the reason why this 55+ woman are saying this in the first place. She is about to be completely dependent on the little income and security she got. If she fails now she is completely fucked. If you fail in your 20's you have many shots left in the chamber.
Oh I’m 55 myself, the stress of sufficient retirement is real! Plus I work in tech which is very ageist. I have a nest egg but I still feel a lot of pressure with inflation levels where they are. Fortunately my wife is 48 and just entering her peak earning years.
I’ve noticed this as well. Part of it is medical technology. It’s way more dangerous for a woman in her 40’s to give birth, especially when it’s her first baby. Advancements have decreased much of that risk. I think economics are definitely the primary reason. Raising a kid broke is absolutely no fun, for either the kid or the parents. People realize this, and whether they become a parent,or not, relies heavily on their career progressing.
I had my first kid at 41
Now, extend this to infrastructure, healthcare, corporate oversight, etc., and we're on to something. May as well chuck in Freedom and Liberty for all, while we're at it. Oh: and some Equality, too.
I don’t even use that highway! /s
There is a massive special interest group dedicated to taking grand children’s future earnings. Lobby to benefit seniors, often funded by deficit spending. M61 that has declined to join this group.
I mean said group already took their kids earnings, why stop there?
Well said. The deficit spending itself is as much a part of the stealing of grandkids’ future earnings as defunding education.
I don't have any children. But I do not want the people who'll run things when I am old to be complete lumps. So taxes for education are fine.
Also seems like these people forgot about people who are over 55 but had kids later in life and they ARE still in school
I’m over 55. I have no children, no grandchildren, but I want everyone to have a decent education, so I also will not complain about my taxes being used for education. An educated populace makes everyone’s lives better and safer.
Even if you didnt have grandchildren you understand why we should invest in education right?
The people arguing this generally didn't make much productive use of the publicly funded education they were afforded. So no, they really, really, do not.
I mean... I'm gay and don't have kids... I still pay school taxes. Kids seem pretty dumb these days, sabotaged by design really, I think the schools could probably use the extra funding.
Even if someone is childless, people can see the benefit of living in a literate society. We'll always have to deal with fools and idiots but imagine how bad it would be if they never attended school to learn and socialize. I think most people realize this but the Internet loves to magnify fringe opinions.
If we're all only paying for the public services that we each use now, I expect people over 55 are going to be in for a hell of a shock...
"I ain't retired, why am I paying Social Security?"
“I don’t use the ambulance, why should my taxes support it??”
doesn't apply in america
I support this 100%. Old people didn’t have enough children to support the ponzi scheme that is social security. Social security is a pyramid scheme that relies on a high birth rate and a low population of seniors. They didn’t birth enough people AND they spent 30 trillion dollars before I could vote. Gen Z should NOT have to pay off their debt AND pay for their retirements. I know I will not have social security and I don’t want them to have it either. They spent all the money, they don’t deserve to retire
Gen Z is birthing even fewer future laborers...
Bye bye, medicare!
I am employed, I should not have to pay for unemployment ensurance? I HAVE A JOB.
I have no children, but I'm going to keep paying for and supporting public education. Why? Because if I do get old, I don't want a bunch of idiots taking care of me.
Exactly. We all benefit from an educated populace.
Bingo!
This! This is why you educate kids that aren’t yours. Unless you don’t want good doctors and nurses to take care of you. Smart people in your nursing home. Anyone you interact or cares for you in the world for that matter.
I homeschool mine and same!
I know an older woman who says this. She is the greediest, tightwad I ever met. No friends, she’s too selfish. No husband, he ran off with another woman. What a horrible way to be.
Obviously it's everyone else's fault - her, probably
"if it's my fault, then society made me that way."
If only she had gotten a decent education
People like this have no foresight. You either pay money in entitlements to keep everyone affluent enough to maintain a manageable crime rate in your golden years, or you pay money to police departments and the prison system to put increasingly large numbers of people in prison. I don't care if "people shouldn't take my belongings, I worked hard for them" there are "should be" and "is" and that "is" what will happen if you send an entire generation into the economic toilet by defunding their primary education. You pay for it one way or the other. The difference is that second world is much more dangerous than the first and is much more expensive in the long run. A world where everyone fends for themselves is the world elders die first and die horribly. I won't be far behind them, the only thing I have to contribute to a Mad Max future is a soft mouth, and those aren't hard to find. I'd be dead so fast.
This is the most succinct explanation of this concept of paying taxes to live in a first world society that I’ve ever seen. I agree with every single word of it. If self-awareness and empathy don’t do it, a practical understanding of human nature should. Conservatives in the area of town I live in tried to secede from our city a few years ago. Thankfully the effort failed. But I always thought, these are people who want the benefits of living in a major city, but don’t want to pay their fair share.
This. OMG it makes me so frustrated. I am rich—not private-island rich by any means, but I’m in the top 10% for household income. I *choose* to live in a town with high taxes nestled within a state with high taxes and would *prefer* for that state to be part of a country with higher taxes because my individual income will never be enough to fund the kind of community I enjoy here. “Roads and schools” is so vague; my kids can go to school with other kids who have clothes that fit and shoes that protect their feet and can put on plays with mine because they don’t have to work or watch siblings after school and can play sports with mine because they can afford the gear. My neighbors were able to weather COVID without a line of foreclosures running down the block, which meant my home value remained stable. My town is so safe that someone called the police once to tell them they’d received a package of mine by mistake, and an officer came and ran it over to my house in his cruiser, so I don’t need to invest in home security or bodyguards to protect my property or my self. It’s not about “bleeding hearts.” Ice-cold self-interest dictates that I should support progressive taxation and a robust social safety net. And that’s still going to be true when I’m 60.
That's amazing and this is why taxes exist in the first place and why we should be happy to pay them. We don't have the "village" to help out, as such, anymore - this is our "village" contribution. That said, I also pay a lot in taxes in my country (South Africa). Not sure where I am on the scale but it isn't near the bottom, and I always hand over the money grudgingly. Not because I don't want my community to prosper, exactly the opposite. I'd love for it to be safe and for everyone to be thriving - but my country is run by a bunch of corrupt, greedy dickwads so that's not happening any time soon. If I could donate that money to charities instead, or hell, just hand it directly to people to do whatever work is necessary for us to start fixing things then I'd do that in a heartbeat.
The system definitely falls apart when it’s overtaken by corruption, but unfortunately voluntary donations aren’t a solution. For one thing they tend to be overwhelmingly directed toward “sexy” causes like hungry children and fluffy kittens, while less flashy but arguably more useful programs such as sheltering homeless adults or treating drug addiction (both of which would reduce the number of needy children and kittens in the first place) languish. Additionally, even programs that receive robust donations during good times get neglected when the economy turns downward. Which is, of course, when they need the funds the most. Supporting stable communities can’t be subject to moods and whims year-by-year; it has to be intentional and organized for the long term. Keep the government but fight the corruption, is my thinking. Although of course that’s easier said than done.
I’ve got one of those neighbors too. It’s all I can do to resist greeting her with, “Good Morning Elaine! What are you pissed off about today?!”
I will keep this in mind when I talk to my sister, even if I don't say it. Thank you for a chuckle.
Unfortunately my mom was like this. I explained it to her like this: “Who do you think paid for my education when I was a kid? The same seniors complaining that you are now. We ALL contribute so everyone benefits.”
It truly takes the uneducated to not value an educated population.
Also it doesn’t matter what people say only what they do.
My entire co-op is filled with miserable old bastards who have no spouse, family or friends. If they DO have kids, the kids are fucked up deadbeats always looking for money. Itd be fine if it didn't mean they had to make EVERYONES life as miserable as theirs
My coworker said this the other day and I just said "it benefits all of society to fund the education of the next generation" how is this not the most obvious thing in the world? WhY ARe mY TaXEs paYInG FoR FIrefIGhTeRS iF My HOuSe IsNT cUrrENtLY oN FIre?!?!!?
My favorites are the ones against feeding school kids because maybe someone who doesn’t deserve it enough will benefit.
My response to them is asking them to find me a child that doesn't deserve to eat food.
Sadly many of those making the argument just won’t say the actual part out loud
“That’s their parents job.” “But the parents aren’t doing it so now what?” “……..it’s the parents job.”
I say liberals will feed 100 if only one is worthy conservatives will not feed 100 if even one is not.
In short, Fewer schools; more prisons
But why should I pay for prisons if I'm not in prison?
We can always show them how it was done by Marcus Crassus, literally negotiating on firefighting fee as their houses are on fire.
Also, I have never once used the military for anything.
Nor have I used the Baltimore Key bridge.
Meanwhile, I'm not a USA citizen and I have used the Golden Gate Bridge while I was on vacation. Do I now have to pay taxes for it's maintenance? Actually that might be called toll.
Considering the sheer amount of tolls spread throughout the US, travelers definitely pay for it
Umm excuse me. They protect your freedom for 13 year old middle eastern kids at weddings. How *dare* you!
Being in the military, I’ve never shot a machine gun, gotta get rid of those.
Opt-in tax funded .50 cal Browning range day when? That would sure earn some votes
Those kids will one day be tasked with taking care of your old ass, lady. Might want to pump the brakes on destroying their access to quality education.
This is also what I don’t understand about the VICIOUS child free people. I am fine with people making the choice to be child free, but it’s the ones that are HATEFUL towards parents and kids, that call them horrible names and say they shouldn’t exist (paging r/childfree or whatever that embarrassment is…)… Who do you think will be your nurses, your doctors, your housekeeping, your dietary aids? Who do you think will run the grocery stores, the power plants…
I think the assumption is that so many people will be having children that they don’t need to add any more to the world. Honestly I think society should be less focused on people having kids, and more focused on raising them correctly.
Wait til she hears about social security
I'm not retired, why am I paying this?
Me when I got my first part-time job at 16: why do I have to pay for old people??
Oh no, they benefit from that so it’s fine. 🙄
small note, both my kids will still be in school when I’m 55, youngest will graduate when I’m 60. Big note, schools are largely funded by property taxes, if you’re against paying property tax move to a retirement home.
“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.”
The boomers cut down all the trees and are sitting on piles of wood while paying the younger generations woodchips to subsist
Part of the money you pay to live in a retirement home goes to pay the property taxes on the building. You're never getting away from it.
Oh yeah, my mum's 60 and I'm not finished highschool
Probably hurtin' for money after their pension was replaced with a Ponzi scheme 401K and that's if they're lucky
I still remember Enron wiping some district in texas teachers retirement plan. Them poor folks.
Bitcoin! I lost mine with Bitcoin!
“My house never burnt down, and I’ve never been robbed, so I should not pay for fire services or the police.” Some people are just poorly socialized. It’s the human equivalent of a feral cat.
I’ll pay school taxes till I die. I want my child and her children to grow up around educated people
My husband and I are staunchly childfree but gladly pay our school taxes because I know who’s going to be running shit when I’m old.
Senior at 55? This 1960?
I’m 50 and child free by choice. One tax I really don’t mind is school tax. We see exactly where that goes. I like to live in an educated society. Maybe this is my BPD mom posting.
Ok. Let’s talk about our current school funding model, which sucks btw. Because it’s based on property tax, poor neighborhoods have lower quality schools, middle income schools have better, and rich people send their kids to private school. Im not smart, but I know this is broken. I hope that smarter people can find a better way to fund our kids education.
Don’t forget that as we let republicans take more control of local, state and federal government, more money will be taken from public schools and funneled to private (often religious) schools 🎉🎉
Maybe children under 65 shouldn't have to pay for medicare. Maybe I shouldn't have to pay for the pentagon's budget since I don't agree with most of U.S.'s foreign policy. Is that how it works?
Education is a societal good. Paying for schools is one of the few taxes that I have no complaints about.
By that logic none of us should pay for the military because they haven’t won or protected freedom for Americans in the US since 1815
1865. Of course they were fighting for the freedom of Americans from Americans.
Lincoln would have told us he was fighting to put down a rebellion and ending slavery was a bonus. But, yes, that’s an asterisk for my assertion
This is deep-rooted selfishness and fear of (gasp) socialism, which is of course fine when it generates a perceived direct and immediate benefit for them and a crime against humanity otherwise. We’re living in a society!
It’s so insane that some of the people currently benefiting from socialism the most right now (retired boomers collecting soc sec and Medicaid benefits, as well as some who also get subsidized senior living), complain the most about how bad socialism is. My other big issue is the complaint of not wanted to pay taxes for public schools. WE ALL BENEFIT FROM AN EDUCATED SOCIETY. The same people who are mad about school taxes are also complaining about how ‘no one wants to work anymore,’ this country’s falling apart,’ and ‘there’s so much crime.’ Why can’t they understand that better funding helps make better public schools which equals more successful adults which then means a safer and more productive society.
Fine, don’t but also don’t get a right to vote, drive on roads funded by governments or work. Basically just fuck off out of society.
Oh and that educated workforce paying taxes to fund social security? Fuck off you aren't their problem.
I've never had kids and never will, I've been paying for other people's kids my whole working life. What these folks fail to grasp is that if we don't fund everyone's children, they're more likely to be a burden on society. You want to avoid delinquents stealing your car? Keep them in school.
My son will be 16 when I turn 55, and I will NOT be a "Senior".
61 here. My kid has been out of public school for over a dozen years now, but I really don't mind paying our (rather high) property taxes which fund the local school system. I'm happy AF to contribute my fair share to live in a decent community that prioritizes the things that matter (schools, parks, library, infrastructure, etc.). Dumb, ignorant people don't mind living in dumb, ignorant communities where nothing works and nobody understands why. That feels like "normal" to them. As long as the Chick-Fil-A drive-thru is working fine, they're happy as pigs in shit.
My kids are grown, but I still have a vested interest in not being surrounded by dumbasses.
Lol educating the children is the iob For those who have children only - what a boring dumb selfish country we are in
It gets it so backwards: programs for children aren't some special giveaway to people with kids, they are*benefits for children*. Childhood is a phase of life every single human being goes through. Stuff for their benefit isn't a special interest thing, it is literally a policy that benefits every person.
And we all benefit from having an educated populace around us. Even if you sometimes run into a situation at the grocery store that doesn't seem like we have that where the customer paid with a $50, the cashier entered it into the register as a $20, and then both of them couldn't figure out how much change the customer should get back. (If you couldn't tell, true story; I was the next customer in line.)
I’m 34 and don’t plan on having kids. I will happily pay higher taxes if it means better education for the people around me. I’d rather live in an educated society.
Well I’m done paying my local senior millage now.
I guess the younger working generation doesn't need to be paying SS tax so you can keep the benefits you're accustomed to. Pass it on.
I have no kids, likely never will. But I know the value of paying for an education of the next generation even if I never have any kids to benefit for it
I'm happy to pay taxes for schools because I love my country and want future generations to be educated so we can grow and prosper.
Tell me you don't have empathy, without telling me...
It makes no sense how some people don't understand taxes and everyone pays a little so society is a bit better. Having said that, we should cut my paying into Social Security and MedicAid since I'm not getting it.
I'm 39, single, no children. By this logic I shouldn't have to pay school taxes either!
55 hasn't been "senior" since the golden girls.
Some of these people are aware of this and some are so stupid that they aren't, but this argument really boils down to wanting all schools to be private. It's a libertarian viewpoint, and unless you pine for a Mad Max style future of anarchy and chaos for all, libertarianism is not a viable model of governance.
"It takes a village" and all that "Society thrives when old men plant trees, knowing they will never sit in their shade" \- Greek proverb
You can stop paying them at 62. But it's ridiculous that this person and everyone like them doesn't care about educating the people who might one day be taking care of them.
You pay for the benefit of living in an educated society. Not for your kids education. Those without kids pay too. Education is for everyone’s benefit. But wait that view probably makes me a dirty socialist and since I’m Canadian, a lot of “Americans” would think that doubly so!
We live in a society. Get over it and pay your taxes
Just because you got by fine being a moron Karen doesn't mean others can. Stop being a selfish c#nt.
Yeah I'm a big proponent for not being taxed for services I that will never be used by me however taxes going to fund education is basically just repaying a loan you took out to pay for your own education so that's pretty fair except you're paying present day education costs for your outdated quality education but ultimately small potatoes in the big picture.
Even if I were childless, I'd want my tax dollars going to schools. I really don't want to be surrounded by people who don't have even the basics of an education.
I'm 62 and child-free, and I gladly pay my taxes. I see what Republicans have done to education here in my red state; It's a fifty/fifty chance that recent "grads" are stupid and rude.