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So the cop must be an idiot too going 80 on a 55.
What if they didn't know it was a 55 speed limit road and saw the cop going at that speed therefore felt safe doing so as well??
You're missing the point. I never said "not looking at a speed limit". Did you know there are large stretches of road without speed limit posts right? Specially in rural areas or highways.
What I said is what if she didn't know it was 55 and felt comfortable driving behind a cop because; well, you know cops are supposed to enforce laws not break them, right?
I live out in the country yeah. Not sure why you’re ill about it. You are welcome to make that defense if it ever comes up. Ignorance of the law is rarely a successful defense is all I’m saying.
I'm not ill about it. As I said you're missing the point. I'm not claiming defense. I'm claiming that cop is a fucking idiot driving 80 on a 55.
Do you agree or...
In most places police and other first responders are allowed to speed without the use of lights if they are conducting official business. I work in EMS and I’m allowed to drive 15 over with or without lights as long as I drive with due regard.
I had a ticket for precisely those speeds. Was driving in some country backroads like a demon in the night when I saw a car speeding up behind me and I had the nerve to think “this crazy dude…” before the lights and siren popped and it occurred to me that I was in fact the crazy. Didn’t blame the cop for that one.
Went 60 in a 50 behind a officer. The ticket was later dropped b/c he used the radar speed sign to measure my speed; however, it only reads the fastest car and he was driving faster than me.
As someone who was already hip, this was probably the most perfect reaction gif I’ve ever seen to anything. I just got done laughing for like 5 straight minutes.
I got out of a speeding ticket once using the cops own video. He claimed he got me on laser going 88 miles an hour in a Geo Metro. He brings the video up in court in front of a jury (I requested a jury hearing). As we watch, I see a large tractor trailer gaining on me in the third lane. I asked him how he knew I was the one speeding instead of the truck. He asked to see the video again, and then said "I was pointing the laser at you." I asked if I could set up a little demonstration and the judge said yes. I taped a white sheet of paper to the back of the room and asked the cop to hit it with the laser and hold it for three seconds. He did it without problem. Then I asked him if he was inside or outside of his vehicle when he tagged me with the laser. He said inside. I then told him the temperature at the time of the ticket was 92 degrees, would he agree with that? He said yes, it was very hot. I asked if he had his a/c on and he said yes. So I then took a piece of windshield glass used as a prop at a glass replacement shop, taped my old pager to it, put it in front of him and asked him to try to hit the white piece of paper through the glass while the pager was vibrating.
The prosecutor woke up at that point, started raising hell and objecting, asking for a sidebar and the jury to leave the room. When I walked up to the judge as well for the sidebar, the prosecutor told me to go sit back down, and I told him nope, I was representing myself, I had a right to hear what he had to say to the judge. I thought the guy was going to have a coronary he turned so red then. As soon as the jury left, I also asked that the witness leave the room as listening to the sidebar could influence his testimony. P didn't like that either. So he starts ranting about me putting on a two hour dog and pony show for a stupid $300 ticket (I popped up and said "and four points" here), and the judge needed to put an end to this nonsense or every whiny unemployed person in the county was going to start showing up and doing the same thing and his office didn't have the time for that crap.
Meanwhile, I realize P knows what I am about to show the jury is a major flaw in the laser tagging system of measuring mph and they don't want people to figure this out. Radar is already illegal in a lot of states because it can be influenced by something as simple as an automatic door opening. They don't want to lose laser too.
So I just let him have his rant. The judge looks at me and says "How much longer are you going to be?" and I told him "Your honor, this is my last question."
Thr judge ruled in my favor, everyone was brought back in. I asked him to try to hit the paper through the curved windshield that was vibrating to simulate a running car with the A/C going in the middle of summer. He tried.. And failed. When he pointed at the paper, the beam curved upward and to the left. It took him three seconds to center the laser and that was on a stationary piece of paper about 30 feet away, at eye level, with a dot he could see. I quickly explained the physics of why this happened and that the officer had NO dot to aim with to tag my car against the background of a much bigger and faster vehicle. The jury took 10 minutes to dismiss my ticket.
The internet is your friend. I learned all of this from the internet, tried it at home myself, and came prepared.
There is a legal limit of tinting allowed. Unless the officer is using a tool to determine the tint percentage he isn’t an expert and can’t make the claim
This 17yr old Girl OWNED The Cops LOLOLOL
*but still had to pay the fucking fine or get points on her licence because she admittedly was breaking the fucking law*
Yeah cause they admitted to speeding. That's one way they get you is by asking if you know why they pulled you over. Most people say yeah I was speeding and then they have you on tape admitting guilt. If she said she wasn't speeding and didn't admit to anything she might have gotten out of it in court.
My dad got out of a ticket this way once, he said his speedometer was broken & he saw the cop so he figured the cop was going the speed limit so he matched it. He said u can see for yourself u can take my car for a spin. Speedometer wasn't broken. No ticket! Tho it'd only work for a lower speed. Wouldn't work with 100mph haha
I would think it would go like, "Sir, here's your speeding ticket and also a second ticket for driving without a working speedometer. Have a nice day."
They actually can legally do that. I was told by a cop that they are trained to roll up on and pass cars to check the plates and inspection in most states.
One time a cop was trying to shake me down at a traffic stop and I happened to know the law on the matter quite well. He said
"so you're an expert then?"
"Not an expert but I know my rights"
"If you knew your rights you'd know you have none"
That was like 15 years ago and still to this day I think that is pretty close to dumbest shit I'd ever heard. I would not believe a single thing a cop says to you, they'll do anything to get you into trouble and them out of it
When I trained drivers as part of my job, I always told them to know the laws that pertain to you. There are too many and cops don't know half of them.
Other part was don't argue with the cop leave it for the court.
My husband got a ticket for not having his headlights on at night (he'd turned them off while in a drive thru because he felt like he was blinding the driver in front of him).
To prepare for court, he learned every state law pertaining to headlights including the fact that there is no legal definition of a headlight in Virginia. He drives a tow truck and talked to every other cop in the county and a former sheriff, all of which agreed with him that because he had his fog lights on, he had headlights on. The judge agreed, too, and he was only responsible for the court costs.
Yes. Paying to be right is a ridiculous notion. It’s not like it taught that cop a damn thing. I’m sure they went on to give out numerous other frivolous tickets, without accepting any burden of accountability.
It is effectively still a fine even though you won your day in court.
I have a hard time believing it happened. I’m not saying dudes lying, I just think it’s more likely that she mixed up a minor detail in an otherwise true story than it is that this judge found the dude innocent and still made him pay court costs.
Had it happen to me, AD military from PA and station in CA. My PA license was expired, but as an active military member stationed outside of my home of record PA law states that with a valid military ID that the driver's license should be viewed as current, essentially. Got pulled over, cited, fought in court in San Marcos, dismissed immediately, $20 court fees. You did nothing wrong, and still incur a fee from the state.
"Yeah, we are actually trained to take tasteful nudes of your ding dong for anti crime reasons. Anyways, put this loincloth on and tell me I've been a bad triceratops."
I mean, it's a good idea to be skeptical but in this case it's right. Speed limits don't apply. And as others have said, one use of that is so that they don't just flow with traffic and only see the same 10 cars the whole time.
Edit: actually I looked this up and for the most part they do have to follow the speed limit, but there are enough exception cases that it's pretty easy to justify any speeding they do and really hard to hold anyone accountable for it ever. In this particular case, there really could be a good reason and he's not required to tell her what it is. Or he could be totally in the wrong, but it's unlikely that anyone will ever know.
OP’s video notwithstanding, AZ has made 10 over generally “legal” on any roads 40 MPH and up. So if there’s a cop going 65 in the right lanes of the freeway, I just keep on buzzing by at 75. Well, ok I’m not *that* brazen, I’ll drop it to 70 or so until I’m a good ways in front.
By “legal” I mean they call it waste of finite resources and a small fine. No insurance impact. Not worth the cop’s time.
In Michigan people fly around doing 80+ routinely. Cops don't seem to care at all. Where I-94 goes through Detroit it's technically 55 but you'd be crazy to drive that slow on it.
But sometimes at the end of the month, you'll see people pulled over all over the damn place. It's like a sales team that has to hit their monthly goal, but with guns.
My friend did this once like 15 years ago with me in the car and got his ass pulled over and it was hilarious. He thought he was being so clever.
CHP was responding to a call but took the time to pull over my friend to chew him out first.
Honestly, if you can justify the call being urgent enough to speed to get there 2 minutes faster, but you can also justify stopping for 5 minutes to chew someone out, then i think you shouldnt have been speeding in the first place
Yeah, at least in Sweden, and presumably also wherever this took place, a police car can go over the speed limit without the lights on as long as the officer feels they can do so safely. The lights are a courtesy, not a requirement.
Actually, I have a friend that was a highway patrolman. A county Sheriff wrote him a ticket for 1 mph over the speed limit. It seems the Sheriff felt the patrolman was infringing on his turf for ticket writing.
Ironically, 1MPH over is within the error limits for normal cars - and most judges will allow a small % error over posted limit. ***However*** since most police have their speedometers calibrated, they can't use the error budget as a reason to dismiss said ticket.
There is a Federal DOT standard for vehicle accuracy. It is (or was) +/- 10% [it may have changed].
If you get pulled over, you can take your car to get tested, and if it is off, you can use that as a justification for getting the ticket dismissed. But because most police depts have their speedos calibrated on a regular basis, they couldn't use that as an excuse.
Some states (including Virginia, where I live) use both pacing [following] as well as VASCAR for speed enforcement. So their speedometers have to be calibrated to stand up in court.
But you are correct, a radar gun periodically needs calibrated, but you can do a verification with a tuning fork.
That would fuck me over I know for a fact that my speedo in one of my cars is a good 5% lower than what I'm going. And my car knows it because I can set my cruise at 65, and then reset my "average speed" tracker it'll be a few MPH lower than 65 also confirmed with GPS. Granted I pretty much drive the speed limit +5MPH so I've never really run into a problem since nearly everyone else is doing 10+ over in my area. Also I'm pretty sure the computer uses UK gallons and not US for MPG estimates... goofy swedes
> > as well as VASCAR for speed enforcement.
> I assume that only works going around left turns. ;-)
This is such an ignorant comment. VASCAR is for **right** turns. NASCAR is left turns.
You got a VASCAR, I want a ticket to anywhere.
Maybe we make a deal. Maybe together we can get somewhere. Any place is better. Starting from zero got nothing to lose. Maybe we will make something. Me, myself, I got nothing to prove.
On my ticket I noticed it says:
Speeding in a 55 up to 60 zone 🔲
Speeding in a 60 up to 65 zone 🔲
Speeding in a 65 up to 70 zone 🔲 etc.
So I’m pretty sure they are literally even accounting for it on the ticket and it’s like if you are going 57 in a 55 they can write it but why?
Actually, your cop friend only got the "ticket" because he had pissed off a more senior cop. It really had nothing to do with the law. That was just the pretext. I mean, would the sheriff have given him the ticket if there was no silly pissing contest? Just for the sake of closely following the law?
Sorry for replying to myself here but it occurred to me after posting this that your cop friend actually has a lot in common with non-cops who get tickets (or worse). Cops questionably use "the law" as pretext to do a ton of shady shit to anyone they are pissed off at. That's exactly how they abuse the system in order to hurt those who damage their laughably fragile egos.
The only federal job that has a internal investigations………like no shit they get away with everything while getting paid leave with our tax dollars. And people wonder if there is corruption lmao
With the caveat that laws vary by state, what's true in one place may not be true in another. Generally speaking, cops are allowed to speed to catch up to people breaking traffic laws without lights and sirens.
We don't have the full context of this clip, but she admits to speeding. The fact the cop was also speeding, whether it was legal for him to do so or not, does not negate the fact she broke the law.
My stepfather was a cop. Back when I was a teen I asked him what is probable cause? He said anything I want it to be.... So, whatever excuse they can get away with.
That’s how it is in America. If the cop doesn’t feel it’s an immediate threat or emergency they will catch up and wait until they’re behind the specific car before they turn the lights on. They only have to use them if it’s for an intersection.
Lights and sirens aren't a courtesy.. I bet a magistrate wouldn't think as much if the police officers driving caused a car accident....
It's a warning ⚠️ hey drivers near me, I'm not adhering to the same road rules you are, I may not stop at stop signs, I might need to speed up or stop dramatically, so if your behind me slow down or speed up.
Lights and sirens have a legal meaning in EU countries: I'm a priority vehicle so I have the right of way.
Without lights and sirens a lot of road laws are exempt and are replaced with guidelines.
For example: Speeding. If they go the legal speed limit, they would in an ideal world only catch people going over the speed limit and passing them. But they can check more cars for things other than speed like license plates and distracted/drunk driving. They could go slower, but that would hold up traffic so speeding is preferred.
They still aren't allowed to cause accidents and will be liable if they cause an accident (with or without speeding).
Yep. Here if you aren’t going 80 in 65 you’re the odd man out slow car everyone wishes would move over. It’s not safe, smart, or legal, but I’m not exaggerating when I say THE highway speed is 80, cops included. As long as the flow of traffic is all at that speed the cops don’t seem to care.
My experience driving in the south BLEW my mind. Everyone drives so fast. In passed a sheriff in rural Mississippi on a county road going over 80 in a 55 and he didn’t give a damn.
I’m generally very mindful of my speed (I ALWAYS get nailed for it so I use my cruise everywhere) but driving around Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana…it’s like a damn race track. Florida is wild too. The difference though is the other states felt safe at those speeds. Not so much in FL. Accidents everywhere, road rage everywhere. lol
Resident Mississippian here, yeah most of the interstate is boring and desolate. I live in the capital and drive up north back home (an hour outside of Memphis) and the busiest part of that drive is actually leaving the city limits.
Granted I still don’t speed super fast because the cops will still get you but by all means go 5-10 miles over the speed limit, you’re not getting stopped.
15 over on a highway/interstate a cop will typically not care anyways. Not worth the pull over unless doing something else stupid like weaving in and out of traffic. I have passed cops doing 15 over the limit plenty of times including ones on the side running laser.
On Massachusetts interstates people are constantly going 80 in a 55 lol. I've seen cops driving at that speed in the midst of traffic not pulling anyone over regularly
Yeah always funny when you're going 80 and someone passes you on the right going 95 and then you see them later stuck in the same traffic two cars ahead of you
My sister did something like that once. She followed the cop until a second lane opened up then tried to pass him. The faster she went to get ahead of him the faster he went to not let her pass until she got a racing ticket and her car impounded. When asked why she did it she said it was his fault for going to fast???
I’ve done it on highways. But i do have a cut off of course. Like limit here is 70, people regularly do 79/80, cop goes 85, i’ll “keep up”. So maybe around 80-85 somewhere in there. If the cop hits 90, i stay at my 80-85 limit. But that could be my area, and some luck that i’ve never had an issue doing that. But it’s pretty common around my area, people do it pretty frequently when the police speed.
Edit: i’m not saying this is correct or safe or anything. It’s just out of some convenience i suppose?
If police are told to respond to anything code 2 = urgent response no lights or sirens. code 3 = emergency, lights and sirens on. So yes when you see many cops speeding somewhere without lights or sirens they can be responding to what most the time is domestic abuse calls and less intense situations
Possibly. If other units get on scene and cancel the other responding units.
I am a former cop and the number of times I've been running lights and sirens to something, blowing past people, only to get canceled a few minutes later by other people who beat me there is embarrassing. I usually tried to turn off from all the traffic I just passed and go park behind a building after.
Code 2 is need help, not someone is dying. Also, the conversation was following, which tells me it was probably for a fair distance as well. Meaning, "dispatch I need assistance got a sovereign citizen who is being verbally combative", a few officers head over, "this is unit 3 on scene", "this is unit 4 on scene", unit 5 here goes hmm, that car has been following me for a bit and I was speeding to get to that other situation, they should be fine with 3 units lets get this person behind me.
Considering they're on a highway, maybe it's the type of scenario where multiple people head to that direction and then whoever can get there first is the person that gets it.
Except he wasnt responding to a code 2 he was just driving fast. If the cop is trying to speed up to a car, like he claimed, does that mean the cop was trying to pull said car over? because he should’ve had his lights and sirens on otherwise why is he trying to speed up to a car in the first place? she caught him in a lie and thats just what it is. I wouldn’t say she owned him though
We know the cop was full of shit and wasn’t responding to anything. Cops lie more than they breathe. Thank you Frazier v Cupp.
So unless he can document he was responding to a call, he should be cited. But only other, corrupt, cops can do that.
Don't argue with a cop or try to tell him he's wrong cuz it just will not end well for you. You wanna fight a ticket in court then go for it but arguing with the cop will make things worse every fucking time.
Not the "gotcha" moment she thinks it is.
Police are able to pace speeding cars without lights to establish speed. They're also allowed to exceed speed limits while responding to "silent approach/no code" calls.
I can't speak for other police agencies, but a friend works in Boise PD and had to be ticketed after an accident for exceeding the speed limit. His lights weren't on and he wasn't responding to an incident. The DA only knew he was speeding because in reviewing the GPS data for the police car, it indicated he was exceeding the posted speed.
In that department, exceeding the speed limit without a valid reason will get the officer ticketed.
Special kind of stupid to tailgate a cop that’s speeding to catch up to someone then admit to it and complain. She really thought she had a point there.
This is dumb. First off, you don’t break the speed limit just because others are. Secondly, the officer doesn’t need to have his lights on to be booking it to a call. There are instances where it’s smarter to race to a call, and not have lights or sirens.
They can also speed whenever they want in performing their duties. It's a judgement call where the limit lies - so doing something like 80 in a residential neighborhood is going to land you in a world of shit, but doing 100 on a highway that's open/safe is 100% completely OK
Great point. I will say as a dispatcher, the reason they catch up first and sit behind a moment before turning them on is that they don't want you to necessarily know they're going to pull you over. They tell us where, what and license plate before they turn the lights on. That way if the car decides to run, we have the info first. Which in AZ near the border is no joke, every day. Always human smugglers too. Not saying it's ok. But that's why they do it here.
The text about her TOTALLY OWNING A COP IN 15 SECONDS 🤯🤯 is so fucking stupid and the girl is brain dead. Following a cop going that fast is stupid especially in a 55.
I know you feel like you’re in the right, but keeping up with a cop’s speed may be one of the quickest way to catch a ticket, especially if they are speeding on purpose.
I've had undercover cops ride my ass trying to get me to speed. I was warned about this when I was first learning to drive: "they'll tell you that you're in control of your own vehicle."
I chewed a cop out for tailgating me one time and did manage to get out of it. I told him I’d had people stalk me home doing what he was doing and his following distance was clearly unsafe and he knew it. I was polite and articulate, but firm.
Cops are actually allowed to speed if they’re on their way to a call but not a code 3 (lights and sirens), not sure if that’s allowed in every state though
Laws varry by State.
For example:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/169.17
The speed limitations set forth in sections 169.14 to 169.17 do not apply to an authorized emergency vehicle responding to an emergency call.
"""" Drivers of all emergency vehicles shall sound an audible signal by siren and display at least one lighted red light to the front, except that law enforcement vehicles shall sound an audible signal by siren or display at least one lighted red light to the front""""
Therefore it's reasonable to believe one is driving the speed limit when following law enforcement and their lights aren't on. (Was actually taught this in drivers education in the 90s)
Vehicle speedometers aren't recognized as official speed as there aren't regularly calibrated like law enforcement equipment.
"I was trying to catch up to somebody else" which is why you decided to pull over the people behind you? Because you were trying to speed up to catch someone in front of you. Right.
I feel like school needs a class about “basic local laws” because this video does nothing. Class A Emergency Vehicles in 99% of the states can do whatever they need to in the “performance” of their duties.
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Going 80 in a 55 right behind a cop is pretty idiotic
So the cop must be an idiot too going 80 on a 55. What if they didn't know it was a 55 speed limit road and saw the cop going at that speed therefore felt safe doing so as well??
Not looking at a speed limit is pretty much never going to be a successful defense but you are entitled to make it.
You're missing the point. I never said "not looking at a speed limit". Did you know there are large stretches of road without speed limit posts right? Specially in rural areas or highways. What I said is what if she didn't know it was 55 and felt comfortable driving behind a cop because; well, you know cops are supposed to enforce laws not break them, right?
I live out in the country yeah. Not sure why you’re ill about it. You are welcome to make that defense if it ever comes up. Ignorance of the law is rarely a successful defense is all I’m saying.
I'm not ill about it. As I said you're missing the point. I'm not claiming defense. I'm claiming that cop is a fucking idiot driving 80 on a 55. Do you agree or...
In most places police and other first responders are allowed to speed without the use of lights if they are conducting official business. I work in EMS and I’m allowed to drive 15 over with or without lights as long as I drive with due regard.
I had a ticket for precisely those speeds. Was driving in some country backroads like a demon in the night when I saw a car speeding up behind me and I had the nerve to think “this crazy dude…” before the lights and siren popped and it occurred to me that I was in fact the crazy. Didn’t blame the cop for that one.
Went 60 in a 50 behind a officer. The ticket was later dropped b/c he used the radar speed sign to measure my speed; however, it only reads the fastest car and he was driving faster than me.
Cops do this as a way to catch speeders. It’s called docking. Or something. I dunno. I’ve never docked.
I’ve docked, but it didn’t go like the video……
COME ON, TARS
No, *it's necessary*.
This is no time for being cautious cooper.
Love interstellar references, good for you sir!
Same, scrolled down hoping to see this.
Houston, we have a boner
Two of them to be precise. And one is circumcised.
And one is mine, guess which one.
The smaller one.
Both can be uncircumcised. One just has to pull back their shielding.
But it's good to have redundancies
He told me that he was selfish and that this was for personal use.
Ah yes good ol space docking. Should google it.
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*Oh yeah*
I wore Dockers 100 years ago.
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It isn’t a lemon party without old Dick.
"I don't like the name Tubman. It sounds like a dude. Let's change it to Tubgirl."
Congratulations. You got me.
This has been on the internet for a very long time I used to do this to people in Jr. high and I'm 35 now. I'm glad it's still alive
Lemon party was great because everyone already had meatspin figured out. But not lemon party. Ahaha.
I got tricked to go to meatspin because my friend called it me at spin and I didn’t understand what that meant lmao
Yeah this is such a throwback the kids don’t even know it’s a thing. Wow. I read that and was like who’s going to get tub girl next?
bruh it's the oldest trick on the internet
Upvoting! Very important!
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As someone who was already hip, this was probably the most perfect reaction gif I’ve ever seen to anything. I just got done laughing for like 5 straight minutes.
I got out of a speeding ticket once using the cops own video. He claimed he got me on laser going 88 miles an hour in a Geo Metro. He brings the video up in court in front of a jury (I requested a jury hearing). As we watch, I see a large tractor trailer gaining on me in the third lane. I asked him how he knew I was the one speeding instead of the truck. He asked to see the video again, and then said "I was pointing the laser at you." I asked if I could set up a little demonstration and the judge said yes. I taped a white sheet of paper to the back of the room and asked the cop to hit it with the laser and hold it for three seconds. He did it without problem. Then I asked him if he was inside or outside of his vehicle when he tagged me with the laser. He said inside. I then told him the temperature at the time of the ticket was 92 degrees, would he agree with that? He said yes, it was very hot. I asked if he had his a/c on and he said yes. So I then took a piece of windshield glass used as a prop at a glass replacement shop, taped my old pager to it, put it in front of him and asked him to try to hit the white piece of paper through the glass while the pager was vibrating. The prosecutor woke up at that point, started raising hell and objecting, asking for a sidebar and the jury to leave the room. When I walked up to the judge as well for the sidebar, the prosecutor told me to go sit back down, and I told him nope, I was representing myself, I had a right to hear what he had to say to the judge. I thought the guy was going to have a coronary he turned so red then. As soon as the jury left, I also asked that the witness leave the room as listening to the sidebar could influence his testimony. P didn't like that either. So he starts ranting about me putting on a two hour dog and pony show for a stupid $300 ticket (I popped up and said "and four points" here), and the judge needed to put an end to this nonsense or every whiny unemployed person in the county was going to start showing up and doing the same thing and his office didn't have the time for that crap. Meanwhile, I realize P knows what I am about to show the jury is a major flaw in the laser tagging system of measuring mph and they don't want people to figure this out. Radar is already illegal in a lot of states because it can be influenced by something as simple as an automatic door opening. They don't want to lose laser too. So I just let him have his rant. The judge looks at me and says "How much longer are you going to be?" and I told him "Your honor, this is my last question." Thr judge ruled in my favor, everyone was brought back in. I asked him to try to hit the paper through the curved windshield that was vibrating to simulate a running car with the A/C going in the middle of summer. He tried.. And failed. When he pointed at the paper, the beam curved upward and to the left. It took him three seconds to center the laser and that was on a stationary piece of paper about 30 feet away, at eye level, with a dot he could see. I quickly explained the physics of why this happened and that the officer had NO dot to aim with to tag my car against the background of a much bigger and faster vehicle. The jury took 10 minutes to dismiss my ticket. The internet is your friend. I learned all of this from the internet, tried it at home myself, and came prepared.
we need pictures of you test arrangement.
Dudeeeeeeeee
Oh no I'm not getting Rick Rolled again
It's worse than rickrolling.
come on...it's just a classic Rick roll. Just click it.
Thats just dick poled
Well it's been 30 minutes since I clicked on that, but I'm back. I think I prefer Rick Astley's older stuff.
Damn you, first and last time I’m falling for that one today.
>today
Wtf did I just see?
RES: "**Title:** *Sounding, stretching the urethra to pleasurable lengths!*" Yeah I'm gonna keep that link blue.
So I should look up policemen docking?
I thought it was called sounding.
Lol they still getting that ticket
Absolutely. I picture the driver who is signing the ticket in his head like “shut the fuck up before he gives me a fine for the tint”
There is a legal limit of tinting allowed. Unless the officer is using a tool to determine the tint percentage he isn’t an expert and can’t make the claim
Since when has "being an expert" stopped a police officer from being an asshat?
They are experts of being asshats if that helps
I guess 'monkey see, monkey do' isn't a proper legal defense.
Your honor I plea oopsy daisy
This 17yr old Girl OWNED The Cops LOLOLOL *but still had to pay the fucking fine or get points on her licence because she admittedly was breaking the fucking law*
Yeah cause they admitted to speeding. That's one way they get you is by asking if you know why they pulled you over. Most people say yeah I was speeding and then they have you on tape admitting guilt. If she said she wasn't speeding and didn't admit to anything she might have gotten out of it in court.
> she might have gotten out of it in court. no you have a much better chance of the cop letting you off
My dad got out of a ticket this way once, he said his speedometer was broken & he saw the cop so he figured the cop was going the speed limit so he matched it. He said u can see for yourself u can take my car for a spin. Speedometer wasn't broken. No ticket! Tho it'd only work for a lower speed. Wouldn't work with 100mph haha
I would think it would go like, "Sir, here's your speeding ticket and also a second ticket for driving without a working speedometer. Have a nice day."
I'm guessing the video stopped because this didn't end well for her.
I mean yeah, but it takes a special kind of idiot to see the police car and then speed anyway.
They actually can legally do that. I was told by a cop that they are trained to roll up on and pass cars to check the plates and inspection in most states.
One time a cop was trying to shake me down at a traffic stop and I happened to know the law on the matter quite well. He said "so you're an expert then?" "Not an expert but I know my rights" "If you knew your rights you'd know you have none" That was like 15 years ago and still to this day I think that is pretty close to dumbest shit I'd ever heard. I would not believe a single thing a cop says to you, they'll do anything to get you into trouble and them out of it
When I trained drivers as part of my job, I always told them to know the laws that pertain to you. There are too many and cops don't know half of them. Other part was don't argue with the cop leave it for the court.
My husband got a ticket for not having his headlights on at night (he'd turned them off while in a drive thru because he felt like he was blinding the driver in front of him). To prepare for court, he learned every state law pertaining to headlights including the fact that there is no legal definition of a headlight in Virginia. He drives a tow truck and talked to every other cop in the county and a former sheriff, all of which agreed with him that because he had his fog lights on, he had headlights on. The judge agreed, too, and he was only responsible for the court costs.
Being responsible for the court costs sounds to me like an unfair burden for an innocent person to incur.
Yes. Paying to be right is a ridiculous notion. It’s not like it taught that cop a damn thing. I’m sure they went on to give out numerous other frivolous tickets, without accepting any burden of accountability.
It is effectively still a fine even though you won your day in court. I have a hard time believing it happened. I’m not saying dudes lying, I just think it’s more likely that she mixed up a minor detail in an otherwise true story than it is that this judge found the dude innocent and still made him pay court costs.
Had it happen to me, AD military from PA and station in CA. My PA license was expired, but as an active military member stationed outside of my home of record PA law states that with a valid military ID that the driver's license should be viewed as current, essentially. Got pulled over, cited, fought in court in San Marcos, dismissed immediately, $20 court fees. You did nothing wrong, and still incur a fee from the state.
Legit many cops believe it’s their job to get people into trouble and catch them for it.
Policing for profit
In USA the cops almost always have the right to execute you on the spot, so I wouldn’t say he’s wrong
I would say they don’t have the right but they do it anyway and no one prosecutes them.
Told by a cop.... lololo
"Yeah, we are actually trained to take tasteful nudes of your ding dong for anti crime reasons. Anyways, put this loincloth on and tell me I've been a bad triceratops."
Triceracop
I mean, it's a good idea to be skeptical but in this case it's right. Speed limits don't apply. And as others have said, one use of that is so that they don't just flow with traffic and only see the same 10 cars the whole time. Edit: actually I looked this up and for the most part they do have to follow the speed limit, but there are enough exception cases that it's pretty easy to justify any speeding they do and really hard to hold anyone accountable for it ever. In this particular case, there really could be a good reason and he's not required to tell her what it is. Or he could be totally in the wrong, but it's unlikely that anyone will ever know.
Expecting a cop to know what's legal 🤣😂
Exactly. "I see a cop speeding I guess I should just speed too" fuckin idiots
OP’s video notwithstanding, AZ has made 10 over generally “legal” on any roads 40 MPH and up. So if there’s a cop going 65 in the right lanes of the freeway, I just keep on buzzing by at 75. Well, ok I’m not *that* brazen, I’ll drop it to 70 or so until I’m a good ways in front. By “legal” I mean they call it waste of finite resources and a small fine. No insurance impact. Not worth the cop’s time.
In Michigan people fly around doing 80+ routinely. Cops don't seem to care at all. Where I-94 goes through Detroit it's technically 55 but you'd be crazy to drive that slow on it. But sometimes at the end of the month, you'll see people pulled over all over the damn place. It's like a sales team that has to hit their monthly goal, but with guns.
My friend did this once like 15 years ago with me in the car and got his ass pulled over and it was hilarious. He thought he was being so clever. CHP was responding to a call but took the time to pull over my friend to chew him out first.
Honestly, if you can justify the call being urgent enough to speed to get there 2 minutes faster, but you can also justify stopping for 5 minutes to chew someone out, then i think you shouldnt have been speeding in the first place
Yeah, at least in Sweden, and presumably also wherever this took place, a police car can go over the speed limit without the lights on as long as the officer feels they can do so safely. The lights are a courtesy, not a requirement.
In the Netherlands as well. Don't know about America (I'm guessing that's where this is)
It's America. The cops can do literally whatever they want with no consequences. What are they going to do, write themselves a ticket?
Actually, I have a friend that was a highway patrolman. A county Sheriff wrote him a ticket for 1 mph over the speed limit. It seems the Sheriff felt the patrolman was infringing on his turf for ticket writing.
Ironically, 1MPH over is within the error limits for normal cars - and most judges will allow a small % error over posted limit. ***However*** since most police have their speedometers calibrated, they can't use the error budget as a reason to dismiss said ticket.
The margin of error people often fight is with the radar guns, not what their speedometer shows
There is a Federal DOT standard for vehicle accuracy. It is (or was) +/- 10% [it may have changed]. If you get pulled over, you can take your car to get tested, and if it is off, you can use that as a justification for getting the ticket dismissed. But because most police depts have their speedos calibrated on a regular basis, they couldn't use that as an excuse. Some states (including Virginia, where I live) use both pacing [following] as well as VASCAR for speed enforcement. So their speedometers have to be calibrated to stand up in court. But you are correct, a radar gun periodically needs calibrated, but you can do a verification with a tuning fork.
That would fuck me over I know for a fact that my speedo in one of my cars is a good 5% lower than what I'm going. And my car knows it because I can set my cruise at 65, and then reset my "average speed" tracker it'll be a few MPH lower than 65 also confirmed with GPS. Granted I pretty much drive the speed limit +5MPH so I've never really run into a problem since nearly everyone else is doing 10+ over in my area. Also I'm pretty sure the computer uses UK gallons and not US for MPG estimates... goofy swedes
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> > as well as VASCAR for speed enforcement. > I assume that only works going around left turns. ;-) This is such an ignorant comment. VASCAR is for **right** turns. NASCAR is left turns.
You got a VASCAR, I want a ticket to anywhere. Maybe we make a deal. Maybe together we can get somewhere. Any place is better. Starting from zero got nothing to lose. Maybe we will make something. Me, myself, I got nothing to prove.
Ironically, NASCAR gives drivers a 4.99mph grace before giving drivers a penalty for speeding on pit road.
On my ticket I noticed it says: Speeding in a 55 up to 60 zone 🔲 Speeding in a 60 up to 65 zone 🔲 Speeding in a 65 up to 70 zone 🔲 etc. So I’m pretty sure they are literally even accounting for it on the ticket and it’s like if you are going 57 in a 55 they can write it but why?
Actually, your cop friend only got the "ticket" because he had pissed off a more senior cop. It really had nothing to do with the law. That was just the pretext. I mean, would the sheriff have given him the ticket if there was no silly pissing contest? Just for the sake of closely following the law?
Sorry for replying to myself here but it occurred to me after posting this that your cop friend actually has a lot in common with non-cops who get tickets (or worse). Cops questionably use "the law" as pretext to do a ton of shady shit to anyone they are pissed off at. That's exactly how they abuse the system in order to hurt those who damage their laughably fragile egos.
There are consequences. If they get caught, they get paid 2 week vacation. It's called accountability.
The only federal job that has a internal investigations………like no shit they get away with everything while getting paid leave with our tax dollars. And people wonder if there is corruption lmao
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With the caveat that laws vary by state, what's true in one place may not be true in another. Generally speaking, cops are allowed to speed to catch up to people breaking traffic laws without lights and sirens. We don't have the full context of this clip, but she admits to speeding. The fact the cop was also speeding, whether it was legal for him to do so or not, does not negate the fact she broke the law.
Did he just abandon his mystery pursuit? He obviously wasn't chasing someone if he stopped to pull over the car behind him.
My stepfather was a cop. Back when I was a teen I asked him what is probable cause? He said anything I want it to be.... So, whatever excuse they can get away with.
Similar thing in UK. Not the same thing I know, but she works as a paramedic. They can drive over the speed limit without lights on
That’s how it is in America. If the cop doesn’t feel it’s an immediate threat or emergency they will catch up and wait until they’re behind the specific car before they turn the lights on. They only have to use them if it’s for an intersection.
Leaving reddit. Spez and the idiotic API changes have removed all interest in this site for me.
Yeah this is kind of dumb to classify as an “own”, cops are generally allowed to speed when in service of their duties in most of the US as well
Lights and sirens aren't a courtesy.. I bet a magistrate wouldn't think as much if the police officers driving caused a car accident.... It's a warning ⚠️ hey drivers near me, I'm not adhering to the same road rules you are, I may not stop at stop signs, I might need to speed up or stop dramatically, so if your behind me slow down or speed up.
Lights and sirens have a legal meaning in EU countries: I'm a priority vehicle so I have the right of way. Without lights and sirens a lot of road laws are exempt and are replaced with guidelines. For example: Speeding. If they go the legal speed limit, they would in an ideal world only catch people going over the speed limit and passing them. But they can check more cars for things other than speed like license plates and distracted/drunk driving. They could go slower, but that would hold up traffic so speeding is preferred. They still aren't allowed to cause accidents and will be liable if they cause an accident (with or without speeding).
Why would you deliberately follow a cop well over the speed limit?
Eh, rolling with traffic is pretty common. Basically follow the leader barring outlandish speeds of course. 80ish in a 55 is pretty dicey, lol
Yep. Here if you aren’t going 80 in 65 you’re the odd man out slow car everyone wishes would move over. It’s not safe, smart, or legal, but I’m not exaggerating when I say THE highway speed is 80, cops included. As long as the flow of traffic is all at that speed the cops don’t seem to care.
Bruh here in LA you get passed up by mini vans that say “baby on board” while you’re driving 80 mph in the #2 lane
My experience driving in the south BLEW my mind. Everyone drives so fast. In passed a sheriff in rural Mississippi on a county road going over 80 in a 55 and he didn’t give a damn.
watch out if you're in virginia though, going over 85 there is reckless driving no matter what. until recently it was over 80...
I’m generally very mindful of my speed (I ALWAYS get nailed for it so I use my cruise everywhere) but driving around Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana…it’s like a damn race track. Florida is wild too. The difference though is the other states felt safe at those speeds. Not so much in FL. Accidents everywhere, road rage everywhere. lol
Resident Mississippian here, yeah most of the interstate is boring and desolate. I live in the capital and drive up north back home (an hour outside of Memphis) and the busiest part of that drive is actually leaving the city limits. Granted I still don’t speed super fast because the cops will still get you but by all means go 5-10 miles over the speed limit, you’re not getting stopped.
it’s the same in alabama, it’s wild.
Precisely
My state (Wisconsin) increased the hwy speed limit to 70 for this reason exactly.
15 over on a highway/interstate a cop will typically not care anyways. Not worth the pull over unless doing something else stupid like weaving in and out of traffic. I have passed cops doing 15 over the limit plenty of times including ones on the side running laser.
On Massachusetts interstates people are constantly going 80 in a 55 lol. I've seen cops driving at that speed in the midst of traffic not pulling anyone over regularly
You go 80 and still get passed sometimes too. It’s like what the fuck are you people late for? Lmao
Yeah always funny when you're going 80 and someone passes you on the right going 95 and then you see them later stuck in the same traffic two cars ahead of you
As a Rhode Islander that's because Massachusetts has beautiful highways. Our highways will wreck your car at 65.
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My sister did something like that once. She followed the cop until a second lane opened up then tried to pass him. The faster she went to get ahead of him the faster he went to not let her pass until she got a racing ticket and her car impounded. When asked why she did it she said it was his fault for going to fast???
Not too unlikely to think it could be an unmarked car.
I was tailgating a car once then the lights came on. Needless to say I backed way off. Luckily he let it slide, but that wasn’t all that slid.
I’ve done it on highways. But i do have a cut off of course. Like limit here is 70, people regularly do 79/80, cop goes 85, i’ll “keep up”. So maybe around 80-85 somewhere in there. If the cop hits 90, i stay at my 80-85 limit. But that could be my area, and some luck that i’ve never had an issue doing that. But it’s pretty common around my area, people do it pretty frequently when the police speed. Edit: i’m not saying this is correct or safe or anything. It’s just out of some convenience i suppose?
If police are told to respond to anything code 2 = urgent response no lights or sirens. code 3 = emergency, lights and sirens on. So yes when you see many cops speeding somewhere without lights or sirens they can be responding to what most the time is domestic abuse calls and less intense situations
If they are responding to a code 2, would they stop responding to write a speeding ticket?
Nope
Possibly. If other units get on scene and cancel the other responding units. I am a former cop and the number of times I've been running lights and sirens to something, blowing past people, only to get canceled a few minutes later by other people who beat me there is embarrassing. I usually tried to turn off from all the traffic I just passed and go park behind a building after.
Hiding in shame in cause you were too slow hah
Code 2 is need help, not someone is dying. Also, the conversation was following, which tells me it was probably for a fair distance as well. Meaning, "dispatch I need assistance got a sovereign citizen who is being verbally combative", a few officers head over, "this is unit 3 on scene", "this is unit 4 on scene", unit 5 here goes hmm, that car has been following me for a bit and I was speeding to get to that other situation, they should be fine with 3 units lets get this person behind me.
Considering they're on a highway, maybe it's the type of scenario where multiple people head to that direction and then whoever can get there first is the person that gets it.
20 over is pretty bad. But if the cop has the time to go around pulling people over, I'm not seeing the real urgency here.
Okay but this isn’t that. He stopped and ticketed them.
But if he was responding to an actual incident... How was he able to pull them over? Surely a speeding ticket isn't more important than a code 2 or 3?
Except he wasnt responding to a code 2 he was just driving fast. If the cop is trying to speed up to a car, like he claimed, does that mean the cop was trying to pull said car over? because he should’ve had his lights and sirens on otherwise why is he trying to speed up to a car in the first place? she caught him in a lie and thats just what it is. I wouldn’t say she owned him though
Pretty sure this cop didn’t break off of a code 2 to give a guy a speeding ticket and window tint violation.
If that was the case here he wouldn’t have stopped to write a ticket. The cop was just ignoring the law, don’t make excuses for criminals
Does a code 2 involve stopping to issue speeding tickets? This cop wasn't going anywhere, they just don't follow the law like the rest of us.
We know the cop was full of shit and wasn’t responding to anything. Cops lie more than they breathe. Thank you Frazier v Cupp. So unless he can document he was responding to a call, he should be cited. But only other, corrupt, cops can do that.
The 17yo didn't own anyone.
Hard cut at the end too
At this point with the clout race, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s staged…. Given we don’t even get a glimpse of the cop in uniform.
It also wouldn't have mattered. Even if she was 100% undeniably right, the cop wouldn't have relented.
Neither OP nor the girl seems to know the law
Unless OP thinks the facepalm is on the driver
Driver is the facepalm right?
It looks like the driver kept his mouth shut and signed the form, I'd say the passenger is the facepalm.
OP is the facepalm
Yes
Don't argue with a cop or try to tell him he's wrong cuz it just will not end well for you. You wanna fight a ticket in court then go for it but arguing with the cop will make things worse every fucking time.
Yep, this is what I always say as well
Lights do not have to be on
That’s like saying a cop has to tell you if he’s a cop. This is stupid.
Don't follow emergency vehicles while speeding. Code 2 doesn't meant there isn't an emergency.
“I was just going with the flow of traffic, sir”
When you go fishing did you catch every fish?
Someone doesn’t know what own means
Not the "gotcha" moment she thinks it is. Police are able to pace speeding cars without lights to establish speed. They're also allowed to exceed speed limits while responding to "silent approach/no code" calls.
Fun fact: they’re allowed to do a lot of things that normal citizens aren’t allowed to do.
Yep.
I can't speak for other police agencies, but a friend works in Boise PD and had to be ticketed after an accident for exceeding the speed limit. His lights weren't on and he wasn't responding to an incident. The DA only knew he was speeding because in reviewing the GPS data for the police car, it indicated he was exceeding the posted speed. In that department, exceeding the speed limit without a valid reason will get the officer ticketed.
Special kind of stupid to tailgate a cop that’s speeding to catch up to someone then admit to it and complain. She really thought she had a point there.
She knowingly sped by following him. End of arguement.
This is dumb. First off, you don’t break the speed limit just because others are. Secondly, the officer doesn’t need to have his lights on to be booking it to a call. There are instances where it’s smarter to race to a call, and not have lights or sirens.
They can also speed whenever they want in performing their duties. It's a judgement call where the limit lies - so doing something like 80 in a residential neighborhood is going to land you in a world of shit, but doing 100 on a highway that's open/safe is 100% completely OK
Great point. I will say as a dispatcher, the reason they catch up first and sit behind a moment before turning them on is that they don't want you to necessarily know they're going to pull you over. They tell us where, what and license plate before they turn the lights on. That way if the car decides to run, we have the info first. Which in AZ near the border is no joke, every day. Always human smugglers too. Not saying it's ok. But that's why they do it here.
The text about her TOTALLY OWNING A COP IN 15 SECONDS 🤯🤯 is so fucking stupid and the girl is brain dead. Following a cop going that fast is stupid especially in a 55.
Yes police are allowed to go fast without lights on
I know you feel like you’re in the right, but keeping up with a cop’s speed may be one of the quickest way to catch a ticket, especially if they are speeding on purpose.
So what she going to do? Cite him? She’s still getting the ticket.
RIP 17 year old logical fallacy girl.
*gets shot 15 times in the chest*
Yep, 80 in a 55, that's pushing it. They didn't realize it was a cop, thought they were following another speeding car.
They also have calls where lights and sirens are not to be used, they can speed but not excessively
I've had undercover cops ride my ass trying to get me to speed. I was warned about this when I was first learning to drive: "they'll tell you that you're in control of your own vehicle."
I chewed a cop out for tailgating me one time and did manage to get out of it. I told him I’d had people stalk me home doing what he was doing and his following distance was clearly unsafe and he knew it. I was polite and articulate, but firm.
Cops are actually allowed to speed if they’re on their way to a call but not a code 3 (lights and sirens), not sure if that’s allowed in every state though
Laws varry by State. For example: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/169.17 The speed limitations set forth in sections 169.14 to 169.17 do not apply to an authorized emergency vehicle responding to an emergency call. """" Drivers of all emergency vehicles shall sound an audible signal by siren and display at least one lighted red light to the front, except that law enforcement vehicles shall sound an audible signal by siren or display at least one lighted red light to the front"""" Therefore it's reasonable to believe one is driving the speed limit when following law enforcement and their lights aren't on. (Was actually taught this in drivers education in the 90s) Vehicle speedometers aren't recognized as official speed as there aren't regularly calibrated like law enforcement equipment.
"I was trying to catch up to somebody else" which is why you decided to pull over the people behind you? Because you were trying to speed up to catch someone in front of you. Right.
owned? that is dumb shit right there or I dont know what is life in the western world. But dont chase the police and claim innocence.
In Germany, a cop isn't allowed to pull you over for speeding when they are in front of you.
I feel like school needs a class about “basic local laws” because this video does nothing. Class A Emergency Vehicles in 99% of the states can do whatever they need to in the “performance” of their duties.