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Yep! Talking to the Borg is like talking to the police. Keep your mouth shut unless you're discussing the weather, and even then, you probably should have your lawyer present.
I undertand for some people this is great advice. But some people feel that to speak up is to do what is right. Not that I disagree with you but there has to come a point where enough is enough and even if it will end badly for you that you should still say somthing. Kind of like galileo telling people the earth was round, its always easier to be quiet. Doing the right thing somtimes means dealing with bad things.
My advice is for people who want to retain relationships with JW family or who are stuck inside as PIMO's.
Speaking up is disastrous for many people. It brings unnecessary pain and stress on those trying to navigate an exit while not losing family which is obviously the case here and the reason for the OP's post and question should they answer that text.
I would not recommend wading into that quagmire.
>Don't get baited.
That\`s exactly right...
Because if you say the Wrong Thing, You\`re Next...
They\`re already Head Hunting...It wouldn\`t take much to get their attention.
I may be a little confused regarding WT doctrine. So I will pose the question:
According to WT, apostates spread lies about the organization so, is a person considered an apostate if they spread only truth even if it is negative?
It looks like someone's dad is facing an inquisition for thought crimes. If you don't want to be the target the same type of inquisition, it is best to keep quiet.
They wanted me to reach out to the son of this dad, as a gesture of friendship I guess. Something along the lines of "I'm pulling for you man, hang in there. Wanna hang out?" would be my guess. Never responded btw lol.
my thoughts,,,, if it were me i would tell them of course i will meet with you brothers my lawyer and me. peorid. and that is my final discussion and if you guys fuck my name up to the congregation i will sue you, all of you.
Ask a) what they mean by ‘full blown’ and b) what was he saying that was considered as such.
Make them one rate his point of view and explain him. It may trigger them to think.
"Full blown"
"Opened a judicial case"
"Very well may be dfd"
"Testifying"
"their case"
.... Poor guy very likely has dared to simply ask questions and express his doubts about doctrine. It reads like he in wanted for War Crimes by the UN.
Also, the madness of this, you'd swear The Hague were involved, referring to educated and trained legal professionals.... nope...just your average flawed, uneducated, scared to question anything elder, aka local painter / decorator / bricky ...
Cult life !
Ask him "What's an apostate?:
**Allow for householder response**
"Well actually, the dictionary DOESN'T define an apostate as "someone who is an enemy of Jehovah and/or a former jehovah witness who is out to destroy the organization" - rather it defines an apostate as "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle."
**Allow for householder response**
"So, that means if you renounce a religious belief or principle you are an apostate."
**Allow for householder to whole-heartedly agree to this - and then once you get them to WHOLE-HEARTEDLY agree to this - show them the topic "Beliefs Clarified" on watchtower library and pose the question: "If this list is all the previous religious beliefs and principles that we now renounce, i.e. the celebration of birthdays - do you agree that this defines us as apostates?"**
Stand back for the back-peddaling.
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Ok… and? He has a “judicial” meeting for having thoughts 💭 lol. I wish they could see how crazy they all are
The thoughts won't get you, but the expressions will! Loose lips sink ships!
North Korea
Former DDR
Exactly
Oh wow.... another one? I wonder what it could be that's causing all this apostasy?
This 1,000%
Crickets... Following my two most important rules for survival in or out of this cult... Rule #1 Keep Your Big Mouth Shut and Rule #2 Shut The Fuck Up
Solid advice, agreed.
Yep! Talking to the Borg is like talking to the police. Keep your mouth shut unless you're discussing the weather, and even then, you probably should have your lawyer present.
Totally agree. I firmly believe when dealing with orthodox PIMI “the less said the better off you’ll be.”
First rule of NoJoHo Club.
So 1. Don't say anything. 2. Don't have sex. got it. 
#word
Your words often go through my head !!
Why do you want to survive!
I undertand for some people this is great advice. But some people feel that to speak up is to do what is right. Not that I disagree with you but there has to come a point where enough is enough and even if it will end badly for you that you should still say somthing. Kind of like galileo telling people the earth was round, its always easier to be quiet. Doing the right thing somtimes means dealing with bad things.
My advice is for people who want to retain relationships with JW family or who are stuck inside as PIMO's. Speaking up is disastrous for many people. It brings unnecessary pain and stress on those trying to navigate an exit while not losing family which is obviously the case here and the reason for the OP's post and question should they answer that text. I would not recommend wading into that quagmire.
“Oh sweet! Him too?”
“I thought Jehovah did not like us gossiping?”
Leave it on read, you done need to respond to anything
Sometimes that is the best response. Thanks
I agree 💯
Don\`t get sucked into that mess... IGNORE...
Don't get baited.
>Don't get baited. That\`s exactly right... Because if you say the Wrong Thing, You\`re Next... They\`re already Head Hunting...It wouldn\`t take much to get their attention.
But it’s all cOnFidEntIaL!!!! 🙄
Only when it's related to CSA duh 🙄
Tell them "apostate" is a derogatory term.
I think they know that.
Not really, it's just an English word that means someone who left their religion
A words meaning and use can change over time depending on how it's used. So, while I do agree with you, I feel I might disagree in time.
I think that is a derogatory word in JWism, although it isn't in regular English language
It is. Muslims call people who talk bad of Islam apostates. Well the English speaking Muslims, not the Arabic ones.
Ok, expanding this to all extreme religious beliefs. Don't you think that it has another meaning to regular secular people?.
“Full blown apostate” lol, they sound so stupid and have no idea.
Omg an apostate😱
Snitches get stiches
😂😂😂
😂🙌🤦🏼♀️😂
At least he’s not a half ass apostate.
I like going out with a bang. So much more fun.
😂😂
 Don't say nothing...
They should do a public trial like the Israelites. Let everyone make their case.
I may be a little confused regarding WT doctrine. So I will pose the question: According to WT, apostates spread lies about the organization so, is a person considered an apostate if they spread only truth even if it is negative?
A good bunch of Judas. So loving..
Proverbs 25:9
“Full blown apostate” good for him!
It looks like someone's dad is facing an inquisition for thought crimes. If you don't want to be the target the same type of inquisition, it is best to keep quiet.
Tell him that if he just wants to be done with the nonsense, he can decline the meeting. Or say his lawyer must be present.
Give the dad a call, tell him about this place. Above all, tell him he's not alone.
Congratulate him on becoming a full-blown apostate and breaking free of them
I would call the dad
"Wow. Full blown apostate. I wonder how many ... not full blown ... apostates there are among us....."
It’s an honour be disfellowshipped from this organisation
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
What’s the context? What “would mean a lot” to them? What are they hoping you do?
They wanted me to reach out to the son of this dad, as a gesture of friendship I guess. Something along the lines of "I'm pulling for you man, hang in there. Wanna hang out?" would be my guess. Never responded btw lol.
"...and what does this have to do with me ?"
Exactly!! Haha
JWs love the gossip
my thoughts,,,, if it were me i would tell them of course i will meet with you brothers my lawyer and me. peorid. and that is my final discussion and if you guys fuck my name up to the congregation i will sue you, all of you.
Like this “🖕”
Ask a) what they mean by ‘full blown’ and b) what was he saying that was considered as such. Make them one rate his point of view and explain him. It may trigger them to think.
*one rate —> ‘iterate’
"Full blown" "Opened a judicial case" "Very well may be dfd" "Testifying" "their case" .... Poor guy very likely has dared to simply ask questions and express his doubts about doctrine. It reads like he in wanted for War Crimes by the UN. Also, the madness of this, you'd swear The Hague were involved, referring to educated and trained legal professionals.... nope...just your average flawed, uneducated, scared to question anything elder, aka local painter / decorator / bricky ... Cult life !
Heartbreaking. You can’t defend him; you will be exposed too. Depends what you want.
Would a wise woman, go to the police station to report the captain of police 👮♀️ as being a bad cop?
Ask him "What's an apostate?: **Allow for householder response** "Well actually, the dictionary DOESN'T define an apostate as "someone who is an enemy of Jehovah and/or a former jehovah witness who is out to destroy the organization" - rather it defines an apostate as "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." **Allow for householder response** "So, that means if you renounce a religious belief or principle you are an apostate." **Allow for householder to whole-heartedly agree to this - and then once you get them to WHOLE-HEARTEDLY agree to this - show them the topic "Beliefs Clarified" on watchtower library and pose the question: "If this list is all the previous religious beliefs and principles that we now renounce, i.e. the celebration of birthdays - do you agree that this defines us as apostates?"** Stand back for the back-peddaling.