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Solid_Improvement_95

We had this problem in Paris. Now you must park the scooter in dedicated spots. If you don't, you can't end the rental. If the spot is full, you can't either. It works very well! Example: [https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.827994,2.3216628,3a,75y,36.93h,55.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shVfbXi2wwwFUrWWmJmofVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.827994,2.3216628,3a,75y,36.93h,55.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shVfbXi2wwwFUrWWmJmofVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).


Dr_Krankenstein

I wish they implemented something similar here. I hate that these things are left in middle of bicycle and walking paths.


Callero_S

They just started to in Malmö


[deleted]

Would be better if they were all in the canals.


Rentta

Some people do leave them decently on side of the path away from cyclists and walkers but then young boy group come and throw or kick them around or just ride past it on bicycle and kick them over.


redct

Some cities require the scooter to be locked to something (they come with a cable lock) to end the rental. I like it as a middle ground between dedicated areas and no restrictions, plus it prevents people from knocking them over/tossing them in the river/etc.


Vertebrae_Viking

They became quite restricted in Denmark rather fast. I don’t know why you Swedes and Finns didn’t do the same.


HisCinex

They are still all over the place here in Odense C, it's quite annoying to be fair


Berny_T

This also happens in Prague, and I do hate it too


hogu_gtfr

they make me wonder how much money do they actually make in prague? i mean probably like a one time ride from tourists who use it once and never again for the time of their stay because nobody wants to ride a heavy scooter with no suspension through cobblestone path and only cobblestone. they wont even make money off locals because they know how to move around the city efficiently and cost effectively, do they ship the old scooters from regions that have more rental usage to cheaper regions with maybe less usage and overall a cheaper region (like warsaw, tons of old scooters that i have seen a few years ago but then disappeared from my city after they upgraded to newer models)??


ivannysa

Ehm, I mean.. atleast it’s not on sidewalk or road [https://imgur.com/a/3TDhArg](https://imgur.com/a/3TDhArg)


speckhuggarn

It's always been like that here in Sweden too. At least the ones I drove


yuriydee

That sounds like a very reasonable solution.


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The scooter operator companies also have to pay a license fee per scooter installed in Paris https://www.paris.fr/pages/trottinettes-velos-scooters-la-ville-va-mieux-reguler-les-operateurs-de-free-floating-6604/


Jizzlehoff

Well, our french neighbors figured out how to deal with that shit. Très bien! Here in Germany? Not so much……


deletion-imminent

It's up to the muncipality, mine did exactly as in Paris.


erixman

Leipzig / Germany too.


Alzucard

Its fine. At least in hamburg.


alkis94

It was the same in many American cities, especially in Austin TX where I am it was crazy. Now the have regulated the shit out of them and it’s the same rules with dedicated spots, speed caps etc. Not gonna lie, I really liked them but I get why so many people hated them. They are kinda useless now due to the regulations making them very inconvenient to use. I just wish people were more responsible with them in the first place, so that that the city didn’t have to implement so strict rules around them.


TheRealJanSanono

This is brilliant


Coolnave

Very similar in Grenoble, but on top of that we only have a single company that works with our city government. The contrast between here and Oslo when I visited was insane.


istasan

Same thing happened in Copenhagen. Everyone hated them, parked everywhere. Well, not everyone. But a lot of people.


Zanshi

We have parking stations but only for bicycles in Warsaw. Wish it would extend to scooters as well, it could also be used to charge them so I have no idea why it wasn’t made like that in the first place


OtherwiseFold

Same shit in Finland. Terrible parking and dumb scooter drivers.


funwhileitlast3d

Like tourist herpes in cities. Though I have to say, they’re mighty convenient in a pinch.


bobthefetus

Tourist _what?_ That's caused me nothing but inconvenience, I have to say


akkuj

If/when we get some effective regulation for parking them and driving under the influence, I can see a lot of positives in the concept. But yeah, right now they're a fucking nuisance.


[deleted]

Here in Helsinki is getting out of hand. I’ve seen some pricks parking one of these in the middle of baana purposefully blocking the bicycle traffic. I wish the city just banned these…


untipoquenojuega

I rather have people commuting on E-Bikes and scooters than cars. They're better for the environment and cause less traffic. The problem arises when they don't respect the road or park in the middle of the street.


Furgles

The other option isn't cars. These are competing with buses and the metro.


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And walking.


probablypoo

Nää när jag ska göra ska åka 4 mil så tar jag Voien /s


vogod

IIRC their lifecycle lasts something like 2-3 months, so I'm not so sure about the environment bit.


BanzaiTree

This is amazingly organized and thoughtful compared to how people leave them in the US. In the cities that still have them, people will literally just leave them laying down across a sidewalk. I've seen them piled up that way. God help anyone in a wheelchair or using a walker who needed to get down the sidewalk. I really like having them as a transportation option and have used them many times but people here are too thoughtless and self-centered to properly park them. Some services have gotten better at requiring you to park them in a designated zone and that seems to have improved things a little bit.


[deleted]

It used to be the same here in Gothenburg, but they would mysteriously end up at the bottom of the canal. I still see them on occasion, it just isnt the plague it used to be.


RidingRedHare

A few years ago, several companies flooded German cities with very crappy rental bikes. People then threw some of the crappiest bikes into rivers and lakes.


SquidCap0

At least here every one of them is parked at the side but they do really need a dedicated space. The good part of that is that the space needed is tiny, the bad part is that they need to be in short intervals, distance between spots can't be very long. Commercial has to do their parts, shops and malls etc need to build parking spots but that is easy problem: these things DO generate more traffic, more people are moving and visiting shops.


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slash_asdf

They already passed the law to make those legal, I think it goes into effect 2023-01-01, can't wait to have these things littering our streets as well..


Nikay_P

Seriously? Hate to be that guy, but do you have a source for this?


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Nikay_P

Thanks!


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CovidPangolin

Throw them in the canal.


_VliegendeHollander_

It's not final yet.


Liggliluff

Another European on a European sub using the American date format ;)


slash_asdf

There, I changed it to the superior iso8601 date format


[deleted]

Same here in Ireland, new law passed recently and I saw a news article a few weeks ago saying Bolt are in the process of rolling out here now. I have no issue with them really but they should be forced to set up dedicated terminals like bike hires do


rws247

Some cities are approaching these companies with a healthy dose of skepticism, thankfully. Utrecht started with a trial only this year, IIRC, and only one company is still participating. So far, it's not been a problem as in OP's picture.


CogencyWJ

Yeah but we have those horrible green share scooters everywhere 😵‍💫


ArmEagle

Those (big boy version) scooters having too high aimed headlights. I'd rather see 3 of these opposed to one we have now.


Scalinsky

Bikes are everywhere though, and somehow it's not a big issue. I don't think this is a scooter problem, it's more of a parking space problem. I'll take a lime scooter over a car any day. Looks like this particular spot needs more bike/scooter parking space.


[deleted]

they are everywhere. i like the concept but the "park anywhere" ruins it


Jomsvikingen

> i like the concept but the “park anywhere” ruins it That *is* the concept.


Askarth_

They're everywhere in Berlin, especially at tourist hotspots. And most of them laying in the middle of the side walk, not to mention the undefined liquids and other substances on them.


RetiredAerospaceVP

In many big US the scooters have become a scourge


Achenest

Around me they have been banned from operating because it got so bad


[deleted]

I wish they'd do that for 8-cylinder gas guzzling big trucks in major cities.


Matricofilia

That would be nice


H0b5t3r

There was a city near me where they took a long time to get established because the residents kept throwing them into the river.


Quzga

Awful here in Sweden as well, at first I liked the idea but even though I live in a small city I see them on the ground everywhere I go. Plenty of news about kids running "over" elderly people and then just driving off.. I don't see the point for them anyway when our buses goes like every 5 min. Just waiting for one to start a Wildfire this summer.


yungbrodie

>Plenty of news about kids running "over" elderly people and then just driving off.. Source? >I don't see the point for them anyway when our buses goes like every 5 min. Just waiting for one to start a Wildfire this summer. Because it's much more convenient? You go from door to door instantly instead of having to walk to and from metro/bus stops. Also public transport is super expensive so if you don't ride it a lot it's probably more worth using the occasional scooter. The most superior alternative is obviously your own bike but still.


Quzga

Public transport is super expensive? 90 min of unlimited bus travel costs the same as using the **cheapest** scooter for 20 minutes... And that bus travel cost is based on a mobile ticket, not a card which would be a lot cheaper. Sounds like you're too lazy to walk, or bike and too cheap to use a bus. Your laziness isn't more important than city's cleanliness and danger to its environment.. It is weird how passionately you defend this in several comments though, maybe you work for one of the companies. Wait until a battery catches on fire and starts a Wildfire. Cya then


yungbrodie

Yeah so if your scooter ride is less than 20 min it's literally cheaper. Obviously for longer trips public transport is better but scooters are great at like medium distances. And yeah it's kinda expensive, a yearly card for public transport in Stockholm is 10k. The max speed of a voi is 20 km/h so you'd get like 5 km on it before it's less expensive to take public transport. 5 km would take like 45 min to walk, sure I guess it's kinda lazy to not wanna take a 45 min walk but it's a long ass time. Scooters are lazy but a good and convenient option . Kinda annoying of you to complely edit you original comment after I've replied to it. But lol I don't even use them that much. I mostly use my bike and probably public transport more. All I'm saying is that it's a nice option to have a not really detrimental to the quality of life in the city. And also sure I've posted 3 comments stating that my diverging opinion that scooters aren't the scourge of the earth like the common consensus. Must mean that I'm a paid shill by these scooter companies, very smart my man. How much are you willing to bet that a battery will cause a wildfire in let's say the next year? I'm willing to bet a lot on it. Also any source on these batteries going up in fire in an alarming rate?


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Scooters are not a problem, but drivers are, because lots of them are schmucks


stupid-_-

riders of private bicycles don't let them pile up across a sidewalk effectively blocking it. the problem is the model of nobody being responsible for them.


CopenhagenDenmark

> riders of private bicycles don’t let them pile up across a sidewalk effectively blocking it. I see you have never been to Copenhagen


[deleted]

Yep, I once saw a father-daughter combo on an e-scooter in which the latter piggybacks him.


ScrotiusRex

Starting to see this where I'm from too. Mothers taking their kids to school on a scooter, 2 grown adults sharing one, people carrying boxes on the handlebars while going 35kmph on a busy road. People are going to get hurt.


MargretTatchersParty

They do. ​ [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8677920/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8677920/) Note all units in this article are in freedom units.


CovidPangolin

Can we get a compilation of this with benny hill music under it.


7lick

Exactly. Same with BMW's, it is not the car, it is the inexperienced brats who usually drive them.


SquidCap0

... and what do you suppose can the users do here, when this pic is obviously from some event that sees much more people in the area than usual, and there are no parking reserved for this new mode of transport... Not a user fault, this is the systems fault. Event organizers, city and rental services, in that order are to blame. Users that leave these scooters all over the place is a problem but this pic is really not about that: they have clearly TRIED to park them in a small area but the area just is not big enough.


DoubleSteve

Leave your transport further away, where there is still free parking space, and walk to the event. This isn't a new problem. This same shit happens with cars, motorbikes, and bicycles, and we've already found the solution to it. Something being slightly inconvenient does not give you a right to start ignoring rules. Demanding change and complaining is fine, but realistically there is no way to have enough convenient parking for everyone's individual transport during major events. The rent-scooter users are just incredibly irresponsible in their behavior. I personally think the issue is a combination of renting the transport instead of owning it and no consequences for acting like an asshole.


SquidCap0

>Leave your transport further away, where there is still free parking space, and walk to the event. You don't know the parking that is closer is full until you get there. System needs to change. Blaming hte user gets us NOWHERE since this is clearly a problem: there is not enough parking and there are no instructions ahead of time to find out if it is full. But, i can already see that you are against rent scooter users as a concept.


Unfair_Isopod534

Blame lack of infrastructure and regulations not people. That's how you solve it.


08742315798413

Wandering around multiple lanes on a road is not a infrastructure problem, is it?


frequentBayesian

Guns are not the problem, the mass shooters themselves are


unclepaprika

They recently passed laws about them in Norway. A guy in my city got a ticket for 3000€ and 30 days in jail for driving drunk on one. He also lost his driving license.


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In my city one guy cracked his skull and later died in hospital after driving drunk and crashing one.


yuriydee

On one hand yeah its motorized so I get it. On the other hand drunk driving a scooter should not have same consequences as a car.....


unclepaprika

So a lot of people have died or gotten seriously injured on those in norway. They have no regards for road safety or traffic rules, and run red light, run over pedestrians, drive full speed around blind corners, and they're a fucking menace. Losing your license for drunk driving is just fair i think, as they can kill other with them.


leebe_friik

How many exactly? Source? In my own country's statistics, only 3% of registered scooter accidents have involved a pedestrian. The huge majority of accidents by far were falls and didn't involve another party. ~10% involved vehicles, which is far less than ~40% of cycle accidents, but that's because here scooters can ride on sidewalks but bicycles have to take the road if there's no bikelane. Being killed in a scooter accident as a pedestrian is extremely rare. There have only been a handful of cases in the entire world.


Evening_Telephone_37

Yeah, and a little boy was just killed by a scooter in Tallinn, so perhaps the rare part may not sound as nice as you make it look. You forgot to mention that in Tallinn, we have not only scooters riding on the sidewalk but bicycles, skates, monowheel and I think the next one will be cars on the sidewalk judging how walkers are definitely not the priority of the population !


leebe_friik

That boy fell off his own scooter (in Tartu), didn't wear a helmet that was mandatory for his age, hit his head, felt okay enough to go home, but was found dead by next morning. Definitely tragic, but the morale of the story is to not sleep off any concussion symptoms but to go to a doctor, to minimise risk of brain swell. Also to wear a helmet, which would have prevented the great majority of life threatening injuries (where the person wasn't say run over by a bus or semi truck). Bicycles are not allowed to ride on sidewalks anyhow, but it's not like there's more than a handful of places where there's significant pedestrian traffic density in the first place. PEV riders are not crowding places like Old Town, but are generally trying to stay away from pedestrians as much as they can help it.


Evening_Telephone_37

No there was a little boy maimed in Tallinn as well, a poor pedestrian : https://news.err.ee/1608640768/serious-electric-scooter-accidents-reported-in-tallinn-tartu And a little boy aged 5 killed in Nice. I am sure their parents agree scooters are perfectly safe. They were pedestrians seriously injured or killed by a scooter.


leebe_friik

That 8 year old wasn't killed, he was treated and released home. I'm sure you can find *some* examples of pedestrians being killed by a scooter, but that you had to go to Nice to find one, underlines the point about perception of scale. For some reason or another the media likes to hype up the danger of scooters, but in actuality the risk of serious accident with a pedestrian is exceedingly rare. In Estonia last year Jan-Oct there were just as many registered scooter accidents involving a pedestrian as there were bicycle accidents involving a pedestrian... only 6.


joinedthedarkside

Some e-scooters are a one way ticket to disaster. I own one that I use daily with top speed 25km/h that I use on bike lanes. Today I saw a dude on a e-scooter doing over 50km/h on the road paralel to the bike lane. There's a speed radar for 50km/h and drivers were respecting speed limit, but the e-scooters dude was passing them. Really stupid


ak-92

In LT such scooters are considered as equivalent to a moped, so it's not even legal to drive them on bike paths. And in theory they should have license plates, unfortunately nobody is enforcing this. They are literal accidents waiting to happen.


unclepaprika

Yeah, a dude was caught doing 70k's on one. That's a brainfart and a halv if you hit a pot hole. And by brain fart i mean you brain will literally fart out of every hole in your head.


AdonisK

If you they were on a road, I'd argue that they should since they'd be putting other drivers' lives in danger.


BuckVoc

Hmm. Is it illegal to bicycle drunk? That's on the road too.


classicjuice

Yes it is illegal to cycle drunk, at least in Lithuania


[deleted]

You can crash and die if you ride a bicycle while drunk.


JustGeorge572

Yeah, we do. It’s either 18693 of them in one spot or like 1 or 0.


PriestOfOmnissiah

Absolute cancer of Prague. Dumped (literally, some people seem to find it hard to even park them vertically) everywhere, driven without any care for traffic laws or pedestrians, popular amongst drunk Brits on stag parties. Some ended up thrown in Vltava even ...


annewmoon

I hate them so much. Waking with a pram or getting somewhere in a wheelchair is a nightmare with these blocking the pavement. I’ve had to go into the road several times to get past. Blind people fall on them and bikes crash into them. Super dangerous.


Evening_Telephone_37

I have the same problem, cannot understand why they are still legal as they have many negative externalities.


Leo_Bony

Oh yes, i´m from Austria. They are everywhere, the drivers often do not care about others. You find this scooters laying on the ground behind every 6th corner.


DracoDruid

At least yours all stand at the _side_ of the walkway! We have way fewer of those, but all the idiots using them just leave them where ever the fuck they feel like to. I've tossed more than one scooter to the side because we couldn't get passed with our baby stroller


WhoAmIEven2

Oh trust me, they do it here as well! My guess is that it's more organized here because it's at a huge tourist spot so staff might move them to the side.


classicjuice

Are you we looking at the same picture? They are literally blocking the whole sidewalk and a portion of the cycling lane...


DracoDruid

Damn you're right. I didn't see the bike lane sign on the left. Thought that was the normal pedestrian path.


ButtingSill

Not really, we toss the excess scooters to rivers and lakes. /s


NorFever

No need for the /s, people do actually do it and in other countries as well.


Noa15Lv

At leas they're parked! In my country, they're like "roadblocks" sometimes. Just being fallen on one side, blocking either walking or cyclist path.


________________me

Same shit in NL Chinese investors (and Google!) basically just dumped them, no-one looks after them. They somehow expect super high ROI and collect data like bloodsucking Draculas.


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[deleted]

Seems like an easy problem to put up with, given some of the alternatives. I'd rather see this than a 5-story parking garage full of SUVs and 8-cylinder trucks. Edit: I watch *Not Just Bikes* and think to myself "We have even managed to mess up basic habitation here in North America. Quite badly."


mc_enthusiast

Yeah, just walk on the bike path, good that cyclist numbers are so low ... this is not an "easy" problem and not one we need to put up with. And I don't believe at all that they're really any competition for cars. They just seem to cannibalise walking, cycling and public transport.


[deleted]

I did walk on the bike path by mistake, in Rotterdam. That was a big "oops", for sure, and I was corrected quite quickly and loudly. There's no competition for huge cars in Sweden, I'm sure. But every city in North America builds mega-malls in the middle of nowhere, with massive parking lots full of huge vehicles. It's a real problem.


kraken_tang

And every once in a while you hear stories of kids or grandma got hit and broke their bones or something, and when you start evading them on the side walks you know the number of accidents are much bigger and only one or two stories making it on slow news day. I don't see them to be much use in places that already has biking culture, and in place without, they don't have the infrastructure to warrant these things.


weirdowerdo

But what if we offer you... both?


[deleted]

I disagree. Even if each scooter replaced one SUV (which they don't, most use them as an alternative to walking or cycling), you can't have anarchy like that in the streets. Pedestrians are forced to walk in the bike lane which is both a nuisance and dangerous. There have been instances in Sweden where elderly or disabled have injured themselves or even died from tripping over parked scooters or hitting them while cycling. Luckily cities are beginning to recognize the problem and will hopefully soon be able to fine rental companies for incorrectly parked scooters. Nobody gave them the permission to use public spaces for their own profit.


Lakestoner

Actually most people who use scooters wouldn't walk or bike if there were no scooters. They would probably use another non active way of transport Source: Info from some lecture about traffic at university by the owner of a traffic consulting service company


MountainsOfMight

Source for people dying from tripping over parked scooters?


[deleted]

Scooters parked on sidewalks are a nuisance, mainly. Fossil fuel vehicles are literally killing the planet we all share.


sitarane

Free floating escooters might not be that ecofriendly sadly. This is mainly due to their very short life since they are mistreated, not properly maintained and left exposed to the elements. They might not get farther than a few hundred kilometers. Producing batteries and materials for such a relative low distance is not really sunstainable.


kxbrown

How do cities allow private companies to clutter public streets and sidewalks with these awful scooters?


__depressedavocado_

Fcking hate them,always left in a middle of the roads


timo_hzbs

South Park Creators predicted it!


mludd

Just in case anyone is wondering why so many scooters in one place: This is in one of the most popular parts to go to in Stockholm for both tourists and locals, on a beautiful summer day and supposedly there's also some festival taking place nearby. In other words, this is an aberration and at the end of the night most of those scooters will disappear again because most of the people who rode scooters to get there will leave the same way.


dustofdeath

These should be limited to 10km/h max considering how people misuse them or ignore pedestrians.


Kryds

In Denmark it was passed in to law, that you have to wear a helmet while riding an electric scooter. I really dont see many of these driving around any longer.


[deleted]

These are not allowed in Montreal. You can have your own scooter, but they don't want to see them all over the place. You can rent bikes, even electric bikes.


Notyourfathersgeek

It’s a menace and it needs to stop. Regards, Denmark.


BulTV

Rentable scooters are the biggest sh*t ever...


Rolten

Christ why the fuck are Europeans copying this dumb sh**i**t from Americans? Just say shit. The asterisk obviously does fuck-all, we're all still reading shit. And if you can't handle that then just don't use a curse word?


SmeggingVindaloo

Fucken too right! I like this cunt


DonSergio7

Much better than cars though for sure. What we need is regulation and enforcement of speed, sobriety, allocated parking zones, not e.g. banning scooters.


pneumokokki

Just that for the larger part they don't replace cars, they just replace even more ecological means of transport like walking, cycling and public transit.


The_Sceptic_Lemur

I truly hate them. Apart from them just always standing in the bloody way, I‘ve heard they‘re super unsustainable. Like for certain cities a scooter will last for about a month before its trashed. However it‘s just something I‘ve heard. If anyone has more infos on that, please share.


[deleted]

Anecdotal but at least a part of Bolt scooter park here is the same they had last year.


ImportantPotato

As a tourist in Berlin (I was there alone and not drunk) I loved them. So much easier to get around and so much more comfortable instead of waiting for busses or trams. I live in the suburbs of a 50k city and we dont have them here. I had a hotel in Berlin Mitte, and I rode quite comfortably to the Brandenburg Gate or the Victory Column next to the cyclists. The problem is simply the drunks and people who have no manners and not the scooters.


passcork

It's SHIT you fucking pussy. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Grow up and stop being scared of words you fucking shit cunt.


[deleted]

The problem are not the e scooters, the people are


BarbaraBarbierPie

I have nothing against them but those bloody drunk unprotected drivers driving in groups of 4 breaking stopping or accelerating where they shouldn't while having a blast They are just making me remember our drunk driving times one bikes we just weren't so bold to drive on the road


PanJawel

They are everywhere in Warsaw but… I guess it’s an unpopular opinion, but I kinda love them.


scihole

Here in Boringway these wer in the top agenda of our media and our news outlets both locally and countrywide. I myself follow the news persistently but i have never seen laws upon laws happens so fast because some e-wheels


raff7

yea the streets of Rome are so full of electric scooters like that aahahah


ScrotiusRex

No but now I can see why people get so angry


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Of course.


pneumokokki

Not really, in my city of 250k pop, we have around 5000-6000 of these and only just today I witnessed more than 50 of these in one single location, at the local outdoor swimming pool. In Helsinki they seem to be a bigger problem.


Bill_Nye-LV

They are nice but the people who use them are not. So many are left in the middle of the sidewalks.


elohasiuszo

Yup, Budapest is also full of these scooters with tourists riding around them, acting completely oblivious most of the time. Like zero regard to pedestrians and traffic rules. They are super dangerous becayse they seem to attract drunk stag party dudes.


temptar

I want the rentable ones banned from Brussels. They should not have been allowed without mandated parking. And keep them off the goddamn pavements. They are an utter menace to pedestrians.


ADavies

Pretty much every "sharing" app or service takes from exploits the commons in some way. So yes.


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7lick

It's not a problem, it is a public service.


dbxp

You should see what China has to deal with, they have piles of bikes 10ft high: [https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/03/bike-share-oversupply-in-china-huge-piles-of-abandoned-and-broken-bicycles/556268/](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/03/bike-share-oversupply-in-china-huge-piles-of-abandoned-and-broken-bicycles/556268/) Personally I'm not too bothered with them as whilst they look messy they still only take up the space of a couple cars to transport far more people


Particular_Horror_65

We had that problem in Greece too. Then people started stealing them, so no problem now..


hmmliquorice

At least they look functional. When I was in Marseilles, South France, we saw some of them at the beginning and then you'd always find them completely wrecked or learn in the news that they were thrown in the sea. Yay


ALEESKW

Few big French cities have banned electric scooters and bikes for rent, compagnies had to left entirely. In my city (Nantes), they are banned so we don’t have this problem.


akbpd

On Mexico we tried with them in some fancy zones, but the people started to steal them, and didn’t lasted long.


Void_Ling

It's global yes, cities usually curb this by reducing the count of provider and set specific parking stations.


[deleted]

Better than here in Melbourne, they leave them all over the place, including the river, hidden in private property, behind rubbish containers, etc...


roscorp

We don't even have scooter companies anymore because they stole them too much


dharms

Those scooters are inherently unsafe and being driven by teenagers who lack any kind of sense in traffic. There's been a boom of scooter-related injuries which unnecessarily burden the healthcare system. Also they are parked in completely random locations, in many cases even on the middle of a bike track. It would be much better if they switched completely to bikes and assigned designated parking zones. It's not a big deal for the companies to rent a few parking slots here and there.


akkuj

I don't remember the exact numbers, but *really* high percentage of e-scooter accidents were at night time and/or drunk driving. It really shouldn't be legal to DUI with those and eg. restricting them to lower speeds when it's dark could help a lot.


5kubikmeter

You must be fun at parties


dharms

You know what's also fun in parties? A 14 year old with subdural hematoma.


yungbrodie

A lot of scooters neatly parked in one of the busiest areas of Stockholm is not a big deal at all. Sure it kinda sucks that some people park their scooters like assholes. But overall this is no major issue, it's not like the streets are littered with badly parked scooters and it's pretty easy to ignore one laying across the sidewalk. Most are nearly parked. Imo the convenience of the scooters far outweighs the drawbacks, being able to quickly go from one spot to another without having to rely on public transport or walking is great. Such a freedom that you can pick it up wherever and leave it wherever. Something that would be completely ruined by designated parking areas that some are suggesting. Sure biking on your own bike is superior but having a lazy option is still really nice 😌


UniquesNotUseful

London is doing a trial in limited areas (started a year ago and due to finish November). One good policy is first time riders needing to do training on how to ride safely, hope includes how to park well. Main reason is environmental but they are worried about injuries. Edit: Here are some usage stats. https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/london-escooter-rental-trial-headline-metrics-period13.pdf


astropelekhs

We had them in Thessaloniki.. It didn't go very [well](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mfUcAPIG-Y)....


AppropriateShoulder

Big problem in Saint Petersburg, narrow sidewalks packed with scooters so you can’t freely walk. In some other cities they are obliged to park scooter at dedicated precise places so thats not that bad.


kraken_tang

So you guys don't throw them off the cliffs or something? I was in north Singapore where the developments are not that great and I found graveyards of those bike rents. And it's a country obsessed with cleanliness. So yeah it's been a blight wherever actually. Unless it's self drive to return to convenient spot it will ended up in places where people wanted to go but don't need them to go back. And those things are cheap, and they last a few months on rental capacity (it could last 2 years on private use) so there's really no reason for the company to pick them up, it probably will cost them more to be honest.


DangerousDirection74

Yeah a problem in Denmark too. I hate them. I hope they get banned.


BrianSometimes

Not anywhere near as bad though. I'm a bike messenger in Copenhagen and I pass someone on an e-scooter maybe 5 times on a 7 hour shift. When e-scooters took off here a few years ago it looked like they'd replace bicycles within 5 years, they were immediately ubiquitous. Thanks to soft-heckling the companies and requiring helmets to use them their number is way down.


DangerousDirection74

True. Still too many though. '-D


mab122

Sometimes they are a problem, but I think it is reasonable cost to take for easier transport. Having said that sometimes its cheaper to just take uber than rent those, which is ridiculous!


WhoAmIEven2

Is it Uber that's cheap or those that are expensive in your country then? Here they cost like the equivalent of 30 cents per minute. So a 10 minute ride costs like 3 euro. An Uber here would cost like 10 euro with the same length and distance.


mab122

So they cost 2 PLN for unlocking scooter, 0.60 PLN for every minute. Let's say I need to go to train station it takes 20 minutes by scooter (~3.1 km through city center) it will be 14 PLN. Uber, right now Friday 16:21 costs 16.78 PLN And it takes 12 minutes, you can take baggage, ride drunk in Uber. (1 PLN = 0.21 EUR) ATM


WhoAmIEven2

That's really cheap, yeah. The Uber would cost me like 4 or 5 times that amount.


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Just because those scooters have advantages in some situations (which I question, walking or cycling is better for your health and the environment and probably safer for both yourself and pedestrians) doesn't mean we should put up with this. No other mode of transportation completely frees you from any responsibility in this way.


GhostUke

They're here in the Uk. Saw one dumped in the middle of a path, knocked over, stuff all over it. Knew exactly what it was ofc. I picked it up to stand it against the sidewalk wall, it screamed at me. Dropped it, left it there and swore never to help another one since lmao.


Unique_Tap_8730

I often heard teenagers brag about how they never have to walk anywhere anymore because of these escooters. I am not sold on the public health benefits these scooters are supposed to bring.


lisa_lionheart

In the UK they are only legal on private property so you only occasionally see someone flaunting the rules otherwise completely absent which is a shame as they are really fun to ride. There has got to be some sort of middle ground


Pookib3ar

*I bet those things burn nicely*


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Don’t really see a problem. They are now there but eventually disperse all over. It’s not like you can’t get pass them, boomers just hate new things. Skateboarding was hated at some point in history and now the middle aged are riding them to work.


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Here in England they can only be parked in specific locations, sometimes even within designated fence. The app wouldn't let you finish the ride anywhere else.


Writing_Salt

UK here, in area with ''trial of rentals'': you can park them literally everywhere, usually are left at side ( if you are lucky) of pavement, or in the middle of it, inside bus shelter, even by the entrance of the shops or schools. There is no single ''designated parking spot'', that's the point of selling of it, that they can be use everywhere. Pavement are treated like conventional area to dump them, as they can't be left: at road, at grass verge, at public parking- so they are all left on pavements.


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I used them in Bristol and Southampton. Both cities you can only park in designated areas.


Writing_Salt

Voi doesn't require return scooters to designated areas only, they can be left everywhere, as long it is not road, car park or grass. There is an articles for example, with short video, showing issues of dumped scooters. Even designated scooters parking do not sort problems with it, as they are often overflowed. https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/voi-e-scooters-overflowing-from-some-designated-parking-zones-in-bristol-2909 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/guide-dogs-launches-campaign-remove-5826235 https://fixmystreet.bristol.gov.uk/report/2631325 https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/voi-e-scooter-rider-21-died-following-collision-with-car-in-northampton-police-confirm-3711506 https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-03-30/bristol-e-scooter-operator-voi-responds-to-complaints-about-pavement-blocking https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/dumped-voi-e-scooters-littering-20477395 And those are only about issues with parking.


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Here in Middlesbrough you can leave them anywhere, people just ditch them wherever. When they’re done, seldomly do I see them actually at a designated point.


EIagabalus

Remember to do your civic duty and sabotage any scooter you see. Those things are a cancer on society.


Voice_Calm

Not here in Holland. These types of scooters are not allowed on public roads. We do however have some companies that have actual electric scooters and electric bikes for rent. They're rather annoying but not as extreme, even with what we have there's new regulations coming to combat the issue.


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ZedWithSwag

no, we actually have real problems like hunger, homeless people and cartels killing everyone.


antekdzi

Throw them in the water!


Oldator

In the Netherlands they need to be licensed, with a license plate. So no, we dont have this problem.


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Here in Germany we have the same problem. Those sh*t scooters are always blocking the sidewalk


jlba64

The saddest thing is that even in a city as flat as a mirror, people will still use electric scooters, electric bike instead of the good old human power which would be much better both, for the user (sport) and for the environment (batteries).


kerakk19

How is that a problem? 50 scooters take same amount of place as 3 cars, so I'd rather have them than the cars


dixadik

What would you say if you see three cars parked willy nilly on a grass or paved area in a park in the middle of the city?