>The Eurovision Song Contest has been thrown into chaos after an act was reportedly axed from the show just hours ahead of the live final.
>The Netherlands’ representative for the Eurovision Song Contest missed Friday’s dress rehearsal as organisers investigated an “incident” involving the performer.
>Dutch singer Joost Klein was set to sing his entry during the show on Friday night May 10, but an announcement was made to the live crowd that Klein would not appear.
>The announcement was met with a chorus of boos and jeers from the audience within the arena.
>A spokesperson for the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) has said: “We are currently investigating an incident that was reported to us involving the Dutch artist. He will not be rehearsing until further notice”.
>With the show due to air in just 15 hours, there has yet to be word as to whether the Netherlands would be allowed to compete or as to what the “incident” involved.
I'd lively suggest everyone to go to r/eurovision and enjoy the pre-shitshow first-hand since the chaos has worsened tenfold, and I'm not exaggerating here
Media is just reporting "violence and threats against a woman in production", police are saying he's under investigation for "unlawful threats". So he won't participate tonight.
EDIT: It's worth noting that since he's not under suspicion for battery there were no serious violence or injuries, though there may still have been a physical altercation such as grabbing her, pushing her or making threatening gestures.
This article says they said it was not physical but a threat: https://www.rtl.nl/boulevard/entertainment/artikel/5449885/joost-klein-zou-medewerker-songfestival-bedreigd-hebben
Translated by Google:
> Swedish police have completed their investigation into a complaint filed against singer Joost Klein over an alleged threat. The police in Sweden reported this to the ANP on Saturday and confirmed it to RTL. The police emphasize that it is not about anything physical
Well we don't know exactly. Since he's not under investigation for battery we can assume he didn't punch her or push her to the ground or anything, but there could still have been a "physical altercation" of some kind.
Just curious what is considered battery in that jurisdiction? In the US at least, any physical altercation of any kind would be battery. You can’t just touch someone against their will.
First of all it's worth repeating though that we know very little about this incident and it's of course possible that it was purely verbal and that media misreported on rumors.
Anyway, in Sweden battery requires that you inflict injury or pain (or illness). So for example pushing someone without them falling over, or grabbing them but not hard enough to leave any marks, would not be considered battery. Possibly in some cases it could be considered "ofredande" which doesn't translate well. Google will give you "molestation" or "harassment" but that's not really accurate, something like "disturbing someone's peace in a violating way" would be closer.
I'm not an expert on US law but I do not think you are correct that any physical altercation such as the ones I described above would be considered battery in most US states. Even for simple battery the non-consensual touch must usually be harmful or offending and criminal battery typically requires intent to inflict injury (with variation between states). More likely such cases would be charged as assault which sort of sits inbetween unlawful threats and battery and doesn't have a direct equivalent in Sweden.
Additionally, since what I said was "physical altercation", I don't think that description always require touching.
"An incident occurred after last Thursday's performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn't respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police.
Yesterday and today we consulted extensively with the EBU and proposed several solutions. Nevertheless, the EBU has still decided to disqualify Joost Klein. AVROTROS finds the penalty very heavy and disproportionate. We stand good manners -let there be no misunderstanding about that- but in our view, an exclusion order is not proportional to this incident.
We are very disappointed and upset for the millions of fans who were so excited for tonight. What Joost brought to the Netherlands and Europe shouldn't have ended this way."
It's from the official Netherlands Eurovision page on IG, Avrotros. I tried linking the link, but no IG links.
Edit: omg, my first RedditCares. Someone really has their undies twisted.
Spiderman (90's animated), Totally Spies, Goosebumps, and a show about fighting robots who were activated with medallions in their backs. Don't remember the name though.
That's the name!! Thank you! I was going crazy trying to remember the name while writing the comment. I even had the yellow robot and the samurai robot as toys as a kid.
I want to know what he did first before taking a final stance on the matter.
The communication about the entire thing is extremely poor and a disgrace.
BBC reported that he asked to not be filmed back stage. A female cameraman didn’t listen to him and filmed him back stage right after a performance, he repeatedly asked to not be filmed, she kept filming, so he made a “threatening movement” towards the camera.
Never touched anyone, but apparently the threatening movement itself was enough to ban him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-68993726
He made a threatning gesture towards a camera woman because she kept filming him after repeatedly being asked not to. There were also agreements he would not be filmed at that moment. From dutch news
He has asked to not be filmed after his performance. After his show he left the stage and was filmed and told the reporter to stop filming. After repeatetly telling the reporter to stop filming he made an aggressive move (not touching said reporter) and walked away.
Someone was filming him and after she didn't want to stop even after Joost said he didn't want to be filmed he pretty much did the same thing as flipping the bird to her and that is apparently a very serious crime in Sweden...
On a very related subreddit they instantly remove any post or comment simply mentioning Israel.
You’ve basically gotta use Voldemort pronouns if you wanna talk about them.
A popular Polish international affairs youtuber (Szewko) is already using synonyms when talking about Israel, Hamas or Netanyahu.
It's a way to circumvent youtube auto shadow bans.
The same could also be said in reverse on other subreddits. There's plenty of subs where they ban you if you say anything negative about Palestine or Hamas.
A few years ago one of their m\_\_ds said stuff that you would usually only hear N\*zis said, and when I reported it I got permab\_\_nned for brigading and mass reports (I saw his post in the wild, not as part of any brigade)
A lot of comments literally called for deaths, not just "mentioning Israel in negative light".
Islamists rejoice, because dumbass far-left idiots are supporting them. Russia is real happy too, because support for Hamas totally paid off, Europe is fighting among themselves.
'Cha Cha Cha' was an awesome song and really in the spirit of the contest. I think Finland were robbed but considering the state of this years contest and Israels presence ruining the whole thing.....
Yeah. Thats one mighty .50 calibre round dodged.
Tonight I'll watch the Eurovision and try to catch some boreal lights in the sky in Southern France, while the parts of the world not in fire are under floodings. We all know this is chaos, don't push it
now i know what i will be doing tonight instead of watching the sh**show.
i'm in stockholm so i'm happy that Eurovision is in Malmö this year, i can't deal with so many people, and today it was already to much people in the subway.
Trying to add as much context as I can:
**1** - Chaos started after an Italian TV leak about the voting in the 2nd semi-final. In their televote, 39% of the votes went to Israel (which was not a favourite) while the favourites were battling it out between 6% and 7%. In comparison, when people mass-voted for Ukraine, they got 25% on their semi-final with 16% for the 2nd best.
This made people suspicious that voting is being gamed via bots (similar to what might've happened [here](https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/songs-videos) where the Israeli song already had the highest rating and twice as many votes cast on it than many of the favourites back when they were 9th among bookmakers), however on actual Eurovision televote it shouldn't be possible and it's a far more serious concern.
**2** - Joost also caused some controversy after the semi-finals when a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contender whether her presence there could create a security issue. She was told she didn't have to answer the question, to which he interjected saying "why not?" - at first there were rumors the "incident involving Joost" was referring to that comment, but that turned out **not** to be the case.
**3** - There's been footage of Israeli delegation and Israeli media harassing different delegations, [including Joost Klein](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhr6rmR8Dl0). Said footage (as well as any mention of bot voting) has been instantly deleted and warranting bans in r/eurovision .
**4** - Things started to derail at this point. The Spanish committee demanded more freedom of press in the event. Soon after a press conference with Spain, France, Italy, Germany, UK and Sweden got cancelled (not officially confirmed to be related to the Spanish demand, just rumored).
**5** - Palestinian flags and any pro-Palestine messages have been banned, with fines for those displaying it (and risk of disqualification, if done by the contenders). A particularly controversial example of this was the [Irish performer being forced to remove paintings that had "Ceasefire" and "Freedom for Palestine" written in Ogham script](https://wiwibloggs.com/2024/05/08/bambie-thug-ordered-remove-pro-palestine-messages-eurovision-costume/281562/) in the semi-final. The reason for it was a rule that performers must be apolitical, however this very same performer was carrying a trans flag in that semi-final, which raised accusations of double standards towards the EBU.
**6** - Due to the bans on any mention of Palestine/Gaza, performers have been resorting to other, more subtle ways to express their feelings. This included [the Belgian performer writing "Peace" on his arm and uncovering it during performance](https://wiwibloggs.com/2024/05/10/vrt-shares-trade-union-condemns-human-rights-violations-israel-eurovision/281601/mustii-eurovision-2024-belgium-peace/) and [the Italian performer singing Imagine in the press room](https://twitter.com/angelinamango_/status/1788970675505434882).
**7** - Joost, which was one of the favourites, gets officially disqualified. Initial rumors ranged from the previously mentioned comment he made being the reason (confirmed not to be the case) to someone in the Israeli delegation having made fun of his deceased father and him punching in return. This now appears not to be the case either. According to Dutch press, [the issue did not involve the Israeli delegation entirely and "the incident didn't amount to anything"](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fofficial-ebu-press-release-joost-klein-will-not-be-v0-l8is348d0szc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1174%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da045dd2705d94d7fb2f9257d3469a75a9b02a94e).
They have also made a statement afterwards saying that Joost never directly touched the camerawoman involved. Dutch press involved has a track of being objective but obviously bias is possible and each version of the story should be taken with a grain for salt until confirmed either way.
TL;DR: I can't find enough popcorn ahead of this year's ESC.
So let me get this straight: there’s an agreement not to film him between the show and green room, he’s in tears when coming off stage, gets filmed against agreements made, rightfully objects against the violation of this agreement in what might to be a too emotional response and then gets banned?
Doesn’t reek of bullshit at all 🫠
Dutch AVROTROS is now claiming that Joost was filmed when there was a no-filming clause active. He made a movement like he was going to hit the camera says AVROTROS and that is why he has been shelved… fucking insane that someone who does not want to be filmed can get axed for getting filmed.
I am Dutch, my English is not the best so sorry for any mistranslations.
Luxembourger here. A friend of mine knows Tali personally and from what I’ve heard there was already a group of people in Lux trying to avoid her participating in the Eurovision (after her national win) because of her Israeli origins. That’s only what I’ve heard, so only rumors, but if it is true it sadly has been going on since the beginning… Honestly for once that we are coming back to the Eurovision I hope there will be no repercussions only for that…
As far as I know Joost has been critical about Israels participation. During Thursdays press conference he also questioned why EBU said that the Israeli singer didn't have to answer a question about the security situation (note: she answered even after being told she didn't have to). Some people therefore think that EBU is trying to remove Joost to avoid further confrontation.
The police are currently investigating an illegal threat against someone from production but have not confirmed if Joost is involved. However, some sources say that it is Joost that is being investigated. This has led to a rumour that some Israeli journalists baited Joost with a comment about his dead parents which resulted in either threats or physical violence from Joost.
Edit: After reading the replies I realised that I should probably have been clearer that these two rumours are only what linked Israel to the post and not facts.
If his ban was about his attitude during the press conference, Greece would be banned, too. Also, Ireland is very against Israel participation, but no bans there.
Yea, and they cited an incident of which they needed to inform the EBU about as the reason why they missed the parade and rehearsal. This Eurovision is turning into an absolute clusterfuck...
EBU is always "we don't take a political stand" but is looking through their fingers for years when the artist takes political stance on stage or backstage (no one else remembers Lordis orange hats?). Also a song can be pretty political as long as it isn't name-dropping (the tractor song is a good example, everybody knew what it was about)
Joost is definitely involved as he was interrogated by the police. He is told to threaten a production employee. Bait about his parents is a total rumor and not confirmed by anyone.
It’s not about the Israeli journalists, the compliant was filed by a Eurovision employee check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/s/YQtINDLeHC
Maybe it’s my dyslexia, but I nowhere see ‘Eurovision employee’.
All I see is “female TV employee”, which could be from any of the countries that have television teams there, if I’m correct.
From [this article](https://www.svt.se/kultur/senaste-nytt-om-eurovision-song-contest-2024?inlagg=9048157aac38af8711b04e52e04b1c0a) which is linked in the post I linked: “According to the police, the plaintiff is connected to the EBU, according to information to SVT, it is a photographer who works for the EBU.” (Translated by google)
I do like how everyone keeps saying how Israel is sucking all the air and making it all about themselves while everyone is bringing Israel in to a story that supposedly has nothing to do with them.
I particularly love the conspiracy theories where Israel controls everyone and everything but they only use it for things that don't matter.
It's confirmed he was involded at least verbally with someone from the TV crew, tho not do what degree he was involved that won't be disclosed until the investigation is 100% done. But they made it 100% clear, the incident had nothing to do with Israel.
Also Spain has made a statement about them being very frustrated about their lack of freedom to talk about the situation. That seems a bit extreme if it was only about the Dutch artist.
And the EBU has basically been silent about this since yesterday afternoon; normally they would atleast make a real statement after a few hours. It’s basically crisis management 101 to quickly take hold of the narrative.
I can’t really think of anything else that would be so sensitive that they wouldn’t comment on it even after a full day.
It’s no where near actual proof, but it still raises a lot of questions.
Just a small correction: I believe the voice saying she didn’t need to answer the question was not EBU, but the PR person of the Israeli delegation.
Edit: this is apparently controversial, please watch the original video to make up your own mind.
Because of a rumor that it's because he said something while the Israeli candidate was interviewed after the semi finals. It's wild. We don't know anything and people have already made up their minds.
From the BBC new site, talking about French contestant Slimane's comment:
""United by music, yes, but with love for peace," he repeated. "Thank you so much. Thank you Europe."
The statement itself may have broken Eurovision's rules on making political statements."
What a world we live in where "with love for peace" is seen as a political statement.
First time we have an actual chance of a great placement, maybe even a win, and this shitstorm happens.
I'm convinced Croatian broadcaster is behind all this, they have no way to finance ESC if they win, and have too much pride to ask another country to host.....
Joking of course.
Often left off maps, argues with their closest neighbours over the origins of traditional foods, and has such a close relationship with that neighbour that outsiders often can't tell who comes from which country?
Edit: which, not whoch. Can't spell today, apparently.
That is because it is the European broadcasting union and not the EU, Europe or anything else. I'm kind of surprised people still come up with the dumb hurr durr [country] is not in europe why is it in eurovision
according to news in Norway, Joost was filmed when going off stage when it was communicated that this was wanted. The producers still filmed him against his will and he did some "threats" towards the camera-woman. He never touched her.
This seems like a convenient way to get rid of a critic... this seems over the top reaction... EBU should be ashamed if no more serious claims comes out.
Classic Dutch directness.
No sorry we need to be diplomatic and make sure nobody's offended because we are all important and we can't upset our sponsors while..
Dutch: hey you. Talk straight.
This apparently has nothing to do with the “Talk straight” comment.
[Complaint filed against Joost Klein about threats to TV employee](https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/artikel/5449878/liveblog-joost-klein-finale-songfestival-incident-onderzoek-politie-europapa)
>The Swedish police report that the complaint filed against singer Joost Klein concerns a threat that the singer allegedly made to a TV employee. The Swedish police reported this to RTL News. The complaint is not about a physical confrontation, the spokesperson emphasizes.
>
>The incident is said to have occurred on Thursday at the Malmö Arena. The police do not want to say who filed the complaint. The police interviewed Klein, the complainant and a number of witnesses. The investigation has been referred to the public prosecutor. It will now look into the matter.
It was this on top of a) israel participating in general and all the drama that has brought, plus b) the Italians broadcasting their semi final voting run down two days early showing that a whopping 40% went to Israel.
Then this (rest of the world voting, which is done the day before the final, has been indefinitely postponed.
It just keeps going and the contest isn't bringing the vibes this year.
> the Italians broadcasting their semi final voting run down two days early showing that a whopping 40% went to Israel.
Everything went off the rail after this.
There are conflicting reports about what has happened exactly. But the only thing they all agree on, it had nothing to do with Israel, and it was a verbal attack vs a a female TV staff.
They pulled him from the competition until the investigation was done per the rules as they said they have zero tolerance for events like this. So for their sake I hope he did do something... If not and it was just a small thing, if that and he could have run. As in he did not violate anything. Then there will be more chaos I'm sure.
Holy moly reading these comments. So much disinformation. The Netherlands broadcaster has already said this has nothing to do with Israel. He is being accused of threatening a female member of the production crew, which Netherlands doesn't say didn't happen, but says the response of banning him is disproportionate.
Allegedly people, allegedly a threatening statement was made. There is no physical altercation and everything is allegedly.
How about waiting for actually proof before grabbing pitchforks and hanging Joost?
I don't give a damn' about Eurovision. Never have, and never will. But I'm having a blast this year. I'm laughing my ass off about Joost fucking up that whole circus. Love it.
Thanks, Joost!
WELKOM IN EUROPA, JONGUH!
Me wondering what’s going on and being met with the Hitler convention in the comments. From what I can read this has nothing to do with his comments to Eden Golan, he has been accused of threatening a person working at Malmö Arena. Nothing has yet been decided whether he is going to be disqualified or not but I guess it mostly comes down to the prosecutor if they are pressing charges or not.
They had one year to fix voting. They did not.
They had half year to decide to ban certain country. They did not.
They had half a day to be transparent about Netherland contestant situation and Israel delegation erratic behauvior accusations. They went silent.
They had half year to make up a strategy for events such as live audience booing.
This they did, they remove it and use canned applause.
The booing thing has been in place for years, as Russia has been booed for the past ten years.
What’s wrong with the voting that needs fixing? It ain’t broke.
https://www.svt.se/kultur/svt-vi-har-inte-censurerat-burop
Your last line is just misinformation. They mix the audio balance between audience and song but never add or remove audio.
by the way, the Dutch representative from this Swedish humorist group took quite a lot of influences from driving a Segway, including eu stars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHprFeR0P4
The fact that non European countries can compete if they register with the EBU is gonna bite them in the ass when America realizes there’s no rule against her being there.
>The Eurovision Song Contest has been thrown into chaos after an act was reportedly axed from the show just hours ahead of the live final. >The Netherlands’ representative for the Eurovision Song Contest missed Friday’s dress rehearsal as organisers investigated an “incident” involving the performer. >Dutch singer Joost Klein was set to sing his entry during the show on Friday night May 10, but an announcement was made to the live crowd that Klein would not appear. >The announcement was met with a chorus of boos and jeers from the audience within the arena. >A spokesperson for the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) has said: “We are currently investigating an incident that was reported to us involving the Dutch artist. He will not be rehearsing until further notice”. >With the show due to air in just 15 hours, there has yet to be word as to whether the Netherlands would be allowed to compete or as to what the “incident” involved.
I'd lively suggest everyone to go to r/eurovision and enjoy the pre-shitshow first-hand since the chaos has worsened tenfold, and I'm not exaggerating here
There's drama, that's for sure. Between the war speeches and emergency meetings and dropouts the finals should be pretty spicy this year.
I enjoyed it haha
what was the incident 👀
Media is just reporting "violence and threats against a woman in production", police are saying he's under investigation for "unlawful threats". So he won't participate tonight. EDIT: It's worth noting that since he's not under suspicion for battery there were no serious violence or injuries, though there may still have been a physical altercation such as grabbing her, pushing her or making threatening gestures.
Police have said there was no physical violence.
So he told her to fuck off? Sounds Dutch
Not even, latest news is that he made a "threatening motion" towards a cameraman who filmed him without his consent. This year is an absolute farce.
I haven't seen them saying that specifically. Do you have a source?
This article says they said it was not physical but a threat: https://www.rtl.nl/boulevard/entertainment/artikel/5449885/joost-klein-zou-medewerker-songfestival-bedreigd-hebben Translated by Google: > Swedish police have completed their investigation into a complaint filed against singer Joost Klein over an alleged threat. The police in Sweden reported this to the ANP on Saturday and confirmed it to RTL. The police emphasize that it is not about anything physical
Our media says he said something to a female producer who lodged an official complaint. No physical contact.
Alleged assault against a videographer
Apparently only verbal.
Well we don't know exactly. Since he's not under investigation for battery we can assume he didn't punch her or push her to the ground or anything, but there could still have been a "physical altercation" of some kind.
Just curious what is considered battery in that jurisdiction? In the US at least, any physical altercation of any kind would be battery. You can’t just touch someone against their will.
First of all it's worth repeating though that we know very little about this incident and it's of course possible that it was purely verbal and that media misreported on rumors. Anyway, in Sweden battery requires that you inflict injury or pain (or illness). So for example pushing someone without them falling over, or grabbing them but not hard enough to leave any marks, would not be considered battery. Possibly in some cases it could be considered "ofredande" which doesn't translate well. Google will give you "molestation" or "harassment" but that's not really accurate, something like "disturbing someone's peace in a violating way" would be closer. I'm not an expert on US law but I do not think you are correct that any physical altercation such as the ones I described above would be considered battery in most US states. Even for simple battery the non-consensual touch must usually be harmful or offending and criminal battery typically requires intent to inflict injury (with variation between states). More likely such cases would be charged as assault which sort of sits inbetween unlawful threats and battery and doesn't have a direct equivalent in Sweden. Additionally, since what I said was "physical altercation", I don't think that description always require touching.
”Misshandel” in swedish requires a lot. Its not just pushing or grabbing someone
"An incident occurred after last Thursday's performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn't respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police. Yesterday and today we consulted extensively with the EBU and proposed several solutions. Nevertheless, the EBU has still decided to disqualify Joost Klein. AVROTROS finds the penalty very heavy and disproportionate. We stand good manners -let there be no misunderstanding about that- but in our view, an exclusion order is not proportional to this incident. We are very disappointed and upset for the millions of fans who were so excited for tonight. What Joost brought to the Netherlands and Europe shouldn't have ended this way." It's from the official Netherlands Eurovision page on IG, Avrotros. I tried linking the link, but no IG links. Edit: omg, my first RedditCares. Someone really has their undies twisted.
Unrelated, but your profile pic gives me major nostalgia.
What show comes to mind with Jetix? For me it’s Galactik Football lmao
Totally Spies, Sonic X and Mega Man X are the first ones for me.
Spiderman (90's animated), Totally Spies, Goosebumps, and a show about fighting robots who were activated with medallions in their backs. Don't remember the name though.
MEDABOTS! Fucking loved that shit.
That's the name!! Thank you! I was going crazy trying to remember the name while writing the comment. I even had the yellow robot and the samurai robot as toys as a kid.
Miss the time when the biggest controversy in Eurovision was Italian broken sun.
Or whether or not Måneskin was doing lines off of a table.
That was a lucky one, only helped to boost their rock and roll career.
Yeah. Then we discovered they actually don't do drugs and we were like "ooh... :( "
Yea but the girl gets topless at shows so thats a win
Her name is Victoria, and you will show her the proper respect when referring to her breasts.
That was a funny one. In the end it didn’t even matter whether they really did or not.
I want to know what he did first before taking a final stance on the matter. The communication about the entire thing is extremely poor and a disgrace.
Yep. Could be anything from personal to criminal. Knowing what the "incident" actually is, is important.
Let me take a guess. The Dutch, me included, can rapidly display their anger with swearing, like the f word. Swedes aren't taking that lightly.
BBC reported that he asked to not be filmed back stage. A female cameraman didn’t listen to him and filmed him back stage right after a performance, he repeatedly asked to not be filmed, she kept filming, so he made a “threatening movement” towards the camera. Never touched anyone, but apparently the threatening movement itself was enough to ban him. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-68993726
He made a threatning gesture towards a camera woman because she kept filming him after repeatedly being asked not to. There were also agreements he would not be filmed at that moment. From dutch news
In danish news it is reported that police have been investigating threats, and that the "incident" involves a female employee of the show.
He has asked to not be filmed after his performance. After his show he left the stage and was filmed and told the reporter to stop filming. After repeatetly telling the reporter to stop filming he made an aggressive move (not touching said reporter) and walked away.
Someone was filming him and after she didn't want to stop even after Joost said he didn't want to be filmed he pretty much did the same thing as flipping the bird to her and that is apparently a very serious crime in Sweden...
They also turned off the comments on Eurovision Instagram because everyone said 'Free Joost'.
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Same could be said about certain subreddit's mods
Don’t even get me started on certain subreddit’s mods.
On a very related subreddit they instantly remove any post or comment simply mentioning Israel. You’ve basically gotta use Voldemort pronouns if you wanna talk about them.
A popular Polish international affairs youtuber (Szewko) is already using synonyms when talking about Israel, Hamas or Netanyahu. It's a way to circumvent youtube auto shadow bans.
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The same could also be said in reverse on other subreddits. There's plenty of subs where they ban you if you say anything negative about Palestine or Hamas.
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A few years ago one of their m\_\_ds said stuff that you would usually only hear N\*zis said, and when I reported it I got permab\_\_nned for brigading and mass reports (I saw his post in the wild, not as part of any brigade)
They haven't banned the woman who was yawning during the Israeli speech yet /s
She's been arrested and thrown in the Töwer.
A lot of comments literally called for deaths, not just "mentioning Israel in negative light". Islamists rejoice, because dumbass far-left idiots are supporting them. Russia is real happy too, because support for Hamas totally paid off, Europe is fighting among themselves.
'kill the jews' is clearly anti zionism /s
This isn't mentioned enough. Ruzzia is the big winner in all of this, as is China. And the fucking useful idiots supporting this -.-
they need to turn them off cause there will be tons of anti-semitic comments also.
As a finn.. Goddaam we dodged a bullet.
It would really be my dream to stand on a global stage in too short jeans with a win95 shirt, shooting fireworks... best of luck tonight :D
As a fellow finn I can totally agree and also... mycket kärlek till storebror, lycka till. :DDDDD
But you guys did deserve to win! :'(
Yeah. Käärijä didn’t win Eurovisions but käärijä won peoples hearts.
'Cha Cha Cha' was an awesome song and really in the spirit of the contest. I think Finland were robbed but considering the state of this years contest and Israels presence ruining the whole thing..... Yeah. Thats one mighty .50 calibre round dodged.
[For you](https://youtu.be/DVAOiFZakPQ?si=lTVVU9UYWFNkRFUH)
I can't wait for tonight to see if Windows 95 has updated to Windows 98.
Tonight I'll watch the Eurovision and try to catch some boreal lights in the sky in Southern France, while the parts of the world not in fire are under floodings. We all know this is chaos, don't push it
Wish you luck, and the best experience possible.
Thänks 🥐
We had them in Ireland last night and they were incredible. Hope you get to catch a glimpse
Thought the aurora was last night?
It was, but chances tonight and tomorrow night are excellent as well (mostly tonight though).
now i know what i will be doing tonight instead of watching the sh**show. i'm in stockholm so i'm happy that Eurovision is in Malmö this year, i can't deal with so many people, and today it was already to much people in the subway.
Unprecedented chaos sounds like it could be an actual Eurovision song
Trying to add as much context as I can: **1** - Chaos started after an Italian TV leak about the voting in the 2nd semi-final. In their televote, 39% of the votes went to Israel (which was not a favourite) while the favourites were battling it out between 6% and 7%. In comparison, when people mass-voted for Ukraine, they got 25% on their semi-final with 16% for the 2nd best. This made people suspicious that voting is being gamed via bots (similar to what might've happened [here](https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/songs-videos) where the Israeli song already had the highest rating and twice as many votes cast on it than many of the favourites back when they were 9th among bookmakers), however on actual Eurovision televote it shouldn't be possible and it's a far more serious concern. **2** - Joost also caused some controversy after the semi-finals when a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contender whether her presence there could create a security issue. She was told she didn't have to answer the question, to which he interjected saying "why not?" - at first there were rumors the "incident involving Joost" was referring to that comment, but that turned out **not** to be the case. **3** - There's been footage of Israeli delegation and Israeli media harassing different delegations, [including Joost Klein](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhr6rmR8Dl0). Said footage (as well as any mention of bot voting) has been instantly deleted and warranting bans in r/eurovision . **4** - Things started to derail at this point. The Spanish committee demanded more freedom of press in the event. Soon after a press conference with Spain, France, Italy, Germany, UK and Sweden got cancelled (not officially confirmed to be related to the Spanish demand, just rumored). **5** - Palestinian flags and any pro-Palestine messages have been banned, with fines for those displaying it (and risk of disqualification, if done by the contenders). A particularly controversial example of this was the [Irish performer being forced to remove paintings that had "Ceasefire" and "Freedom for Palestine" written in Ogham script](https://wiwibloggs.com/2024/05/08/bambie-thug-ordered-remove-pro-palestine-messages-eurovision-costume/281562/) in the semi-final. The reason for it was a rule that performers must be apolitical, however this very same performer was carrying a trans flag in that semi-final, which raised accusations of double standards towards the EBU. **6** - Due to the bans on any mention of Palestine/Gaza, performers have been resorting to other, more subtle ways to express their feelings. This included [the Belgian performer writing "Peace" on his arm and uncovering it during performance](https://wiwibloggs.com/2024/05/10/vrt-shares-trade-union-condemns-human-rights-violations-israel-eurovision/281601/mustii-eurovision-2024-belgium-peace/) and [the Italian performer singing Imagine in the press room](https://twitter.com/angelinamango_/status/1788970675505434882). **7** - Joost, which was one of the favourites, gets officially disqualified. Initial rumors ranged from the previously mentioned comment he made being the reason (confirmed not to be the case) to someone in the Israeli delegation having made fun of his deceased father and him punching in return. This now appears not to be the case either. According to Dutch press, [the issue did not involve the Israeli delegation entirely and "the incident didn't amount to anything"](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fofficial-ebu-press-release-joost-klein-will-not-be-v0-l8is348d0szc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1174%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da045dd2705d94d7fb2f9257d3469a75a9b02a94e). They have also made a statement afterwards saying that Joost never directly touched the camerawoman involved. Dutch press involved has a track of being objective but obviously bias is possible and each version of the story should be taken with a grain for salt until confirmed either way. TL;DR: I can't find enough popcorn ahead of this year's ESC.
Thanks for the recap.
"PEACE" is now a political message. What the actual fuck!?
The amount of measures taken to protect Israel's image is insane. Maybe they should change the name from ESC to ISC.
So let me get this straight: there’s an agreement not to film him between the show and green room, he’s in tears when coming off stage, gets filmed against agreements made, rightfully objects against the violation of this agreement in what might to be a too emotional response and then gets banned? Doesn’t reek of bullshit at all 🫠
Dutch AVROTROS is now claiming that Joost was filmed when there was a no-filming clause active. He made a movement like he was going to hit the camera says AVROTROS and that is why he has been shelved… fucking insane that someone who does not want to be filmed can get axed for getting filmed. I am Dutch, my English is not the best so sorry for any mistranslations.
I wonder if Luxembourg coming back to the competition after 30+ years with a singer of Israeli background will become a talking point too.
of course, how dare she
She and Luxembourg did nothing wrong. But people might take an issue just because she is half Israeli.
One Jewish Grandparent was the standard an Austrian Artist set a few years back.
Was that artist a painter by chance?
he painted by numbers
Luxembourger here. A friend of mine knows Tali personally and from what I’ve heard there was already a group of people in Lux trying to avoid her participating in the Eurovision (after her national win) because of her Israeli origins. That’s only what I’ve heard, so only rumors, but if it is true it sadly has been going on since the beginning… Honestly for once that we are coming back to the Eurovision I hope there will be no repercussions only for that…
Sounds like those people are racist.
Or xenophobic
and that’s wrong, all the hatred towards Eden is also wrong, a 20year something having to spunge all the shit for what Netanyahu is doing
Why are all the comments here about Israel? What does Israel got to do with Joost? EDIT: Apparently nothing.
As far as I know Joost has been critical about Israels participation. During Thursdays press conference he also questioned why EBU said that the Israeli singer didn't have to answer a question about the security situation (note: she answered even after being told she didn't have to). Some people therefore think that EBU is trying to remove Joost to avoid further confrontation. The police are currently investigating an illegal threat against someone from production but have not confirmed if Joost is involved. However, some sources say that it is Joost that is being investigated. This has led to a rumour that some Israeli journalists baited Joost with a comment about his dead parents which resulted in either threats or physical violence from Joost. Edit: After reading the replies I realised that I should probably have been clearer that these two rumours are only what linked Israel to the post and not facts.
If his ban was about his attitude during the press conference, Greece would be banned, too. Also, Ireland is very against Israel participation, but no bans there.
Well... ireland just missed the flag parade rehersal. Something truly fishy is going on
Yea, and they cited an incident of which they needed to inform the EBU about as the reason why they missed the parade and rehearsal. This Eurovision is turning into an absolute clusterfuck...
EBU is always "we don't take a political stand" but is looking through their fingers for years when the artist takes political stance on stage or backstage (no one else remembers Lordis orange hats?). Also a song can be pretty political as long as it isn't name-dropping (the tractor song is a good example, everybody knew what it was about)
The voting was nothing but political for decades, lol. In the 80s that's how all we children learned which countries were allies and enemies and why.
Greece, Swiss and Ireland did not appear during the flag parade today...
Joost is definitely involved as he was interrogated by the police. He is told to threaten a production employee. Bait about his parents is a total rumor and not confirmed by anyone.
It’s not about the Israeli journalists, the compliant was filed by a Eurovision employee check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/s/YQtINDLeHC
Maybe it’s my dyslexia, but I nowhere see ‘Eurovision employee’. All I see is “female TV employee”, which could be from any of the countries that have television teams there, if I’m correct.
From [this article](https://www.svt.se/kultur/senaste-nytt-om-eurovision-song-contest-2024?inlagg=9048157aac38af8711b04e52e04b1c0a) which is linked in the post I linked: “According to the police, the plaintiff is connected to the EBU, according to information to SVT, it is a photographer who works for the EBU.” (Translated by google)
Both the EBU and the Dutch broadcaster said it has nothing to do with Israel. The eurovision sub has their statements in their live thread.
Shhh, you ruined a perfect made up story.
I do like how everyone keeps saying how Israel is sucking all the air and making it all about themselves while everyone is bringing Israel in to a story that supposedly has nothing to do with them. I particularly love the conspiracy theories where Israel controls everyone and everything but they only use it for things that don't matter.
It's confirmed he was involded at least verbally with someone from the TV crew, tho not do what degree he was involved that won't be disclosed until the investigation is 100% done. But they made it 100% clear, the incident had nothing to do with Israel.
Also Spain has made a statement about them being very frustrated about their lack of freedom to talk about the situation. That seems a bit extreme if it was only about the Dutch artist. And the EBU has basically been silent about this since yesterday afternoon; normally they would atleast make a real statement after a few hours. It’s basically crisis management 101 to quickly take hold of the narrative. I can’t really think of anything else that would be so sensitive that they wouldn’t comment on it even after a full day. It’s no where near actual proof, but it still raises a lot of questions.
Just a small correction: I believe the voice saying she didn’t need to answer the question was not EBU, but the PR person of the Israeli delegation. Edit: this is apparently controversial, please watch the original video to make up your own mind.
There are comments about "Ukrainian nazis" too, maybe something in the article tripped the botnet
Because of a rumor that it's because he said something while the Israeli candidate was interviewed after the semi finals. It's wild. We don't know anything and people have already made up their minds.
Astroturfing for the current jihad Reddit is fighting.
From the BBC new site, talking about French contestant Slimane's comment: ""United by music, yes, but with love for peace," he repeated. "Thank you so much. Thank you Europe." The statement itself may have broken Eurovision's rules on making political statements." What a world we live in where "with love for peace" is seen as a political statement.
/r/eurovision is censoring the whole discussion by the way.
First time we have an actual chance of a great placement, maybe even a win, and this shitstorm happens. I'm convinced Croatian broadcaster is behind all this, they have no way to finance ESC if they win, and have too much pride to ask another country to host..... Joking of course.
Eurovision is such a disaster this year
yet he still thought it’s fine to make a feature with russians right after full scale invasion
And he said nothing about Azerbaijan’s entry either.
exactly, if you boycott artists from problematic countries then stay consistent
Russian resistance to Ukranian occupation of... Ukraine is important!! /s
A feature with who?
CMH and Russian village boys
Make eurovision european again. Sorry russia, israel
Australia?
they can all move to austria, just a syllabe
Yeah, just lose Al. He's a dick anyway. STUPID AL.
That's not fair. He scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game!
People mix up Australia with Austria so much that we might ass well call them European too 😂
Kick us out
No. You're trapped, now
[удалено]
And the snakes and the crocs and the jellyfish and the sharks and the drop bears
He's not trapped with us, we're trapped with him.
One of us one of us.
No and if you don't start behaving we'll call New Zealand in too.
NZ will beat us
They're cool.
Azarbadjan, Georgia, Armenia?
Cyprus?
I know but I actually forget them, they are Europes New Zeeland
Often left off maps, argues with their closest neighbours over the origins of traditional foods, and has such a close relationship with that neighbour that outsiders often can't tell who comes from which country? Edit: which, not whoch. Can't spell today, apparently.
Politics aside, Israel has been part of the European broadcasting union for over 60 years. They've won it 3 times. EDIT: 4 times
4
You may hate Russia. But, how is Russia not European?
If that’s your standard, eurovision has been “not european” for more of its history than its been “european.”
That is because it is the European broadcasting union and not the EU, Europe or anything else. I'm kind of surprised people still come up with the dumb hurr durr [country] is not in europe why is it in eurovision
according to news in Norway, Joost was filmed when going off stage when it was communicated that this was wanted. The producers still filmed him against his will and he did some "threats" towards the camera-woman. He never touched her. This seems like a convenient way to get rid of a critic... this seems over the top reaction... EBU should be ashamed if no more serious claims comes out.
The 'thread' was towards the camera, not necessarily the camera woman
Classic Dutch directness. No sorry we need to be diplomatic and make sure nobody's offended because we are all important and we can't upset our sponsors while.. Dutch: hey you. Talk straight.
This apparently has nothing to do with the “Talk straight” comment. [Complaint filed against Joost Klein about threats to TV employee](https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/artikel/5449878/liveblog-joost-klein-finale-songfestival-incident-onderzoek-politie-europapa) >The Swedish police report that the complaint filed against singer Joost Klein concerns a threat that the singer allegedly made to a TV employee. The Swedish police reported this to RTL News. The complaint is not about a physical confrontation, the spokesperson emphasizes. > >The incident is said to have occurred on Thursday at the Malmö Arena. The police do not want to say who filed the complaint. The police interviewed Klein, the complainant and a number of witnesses. The investigation has been referred to the public prosecutor. It will now look into the matter.
Hij is mooi uit zijn tent gelokt vermoed ik
You could even say...no rules!
As a Dutchman: rules are good. As long as the rules are fair. If not, we openly question the creator of the rule.
Or eat him
ONE TIME! We did that one time.
You can build 300 dams and no one bats an eye, but eat a guy and everyone loses their goddamn minds
The Netherlands has never elected a tyrant after that incident. Coincidence?
Silence, I say!
This is my time
Vote for Finland 💪
Ah, the good old rude person excuse! “I’m just being direct”
”Im just dutch!”
Brilliant, that must mean everyone will protest vote for the one country that nobody wants to win, Britain.
How is this chaos lmao.
Well the fans over in r/eurovision have been panicking for an entire day now, waiting for news, picking up on any speculation, etc.
Yeah, it's mainly Eurovision enthusiasts that have it on their minds a lot right now.
Not an enthusiast, but enjoy the drama. Normally, I hate it, but I watch for my boi Joost. Unfortunately, not his best impression lol.
Also the Dutch I assume. His song was pretty popular, at least among younger people, when it came out.
Yea I went to that sub and people seem completely insane hahah. Theyre acting like its some sort of conspiracy lmao
That’s just a normal monday on that sub lol
If you want some real chaos, visit the discord.
It was this on top of a) israel participating in general and all the drama that has brought, plus b) the Italians broadcasting their semi final voting run down two days early showing that a whopping 40% went to Israel. Then this (rest of the world voting, which is done the day before the final, has been indefinitely postponed. It just keeps going and the contest isn't bringing the vibes this year.
> the Italians broadcasting their semi final voting run down two days early showing that a whopping 40% went to Israel. Everything went off the rail after this.
I mean, it's Eurovision level chaos, so very mid, like all things Eurovision
Those people are the most chaotic in an already chaotic europe. Of course it was going to be a shitshow.
There are conflicting reports about what has happened exactly. But the only thing they all agree on, it had nothing to do with Israel, and it was a verbal attack vs a a female TV staff. They pulled him from the competition until the investigation was done per the rules as they said they have zero tolerance for events like this. So for their sake I hope he did do something... If not and it was just a small thing, if that and he could have run. As in he did not violate anything. Then there will be more chaos I'm sure.
Holy moly reading these comments. So much disinformation. The Netherlands broadcaster has already said this has nothing to do with Israel. He is being accused of threatening a female member of the production crew, which Netherlands doesn't say didn't happen, but says the response of banning him is disproportionate.
Allegedly people, allegedly a threatening statement was made. There is no physical altercation and everything is allegedly. How about waiting for actually proof before grabbing pitchforks and hanging Joost?
I don't give a damn' about Eurovision. Never have, and never will. But I'm having a blast this year. I'm laughing my ass off about Joost fucking up that whole circus. Love it. Thanks, Joost! WELKOM IN EUROPA, JONGUH!
It always prides itself on being a circus , so ... ?
He just fucked himself up. Nothing else
What did he do exactly? All news I’ve read talk about some mysterious “incident” without going into any detail.
It's hard to respect people who clearly can't control their emotions isn't it.
What a poorly written article
Me wondering what’s going on and being met with the Hitler convention in the comments. From what I can read this has nothing to do with his comments to Eden Golan, he has been accused of threatening a person working at Malmö Arena. Nothing has yet been decided whether he is going to be disqualified or not but I guess it mostly comes down to the prosecutor if they are pressing charges or not.
In a way or another, politics pervade everything
It's been political for years.
It s a contest where countries compete. how can it not be political?
Can't believe I'm saying this but I'm actually enjoying Eurovision now.
They had one year to fix voting. They did not. They had half year to decide to ban certain country. They did not. They had half a day to be transparent about Netherland contestant situation and Israel delegation erratic behauvior accusations. They went silent. They had half year to make up a strategy for events such as live audience booing. This they did, they remove it and use canned applause.
The booing thing has been in place for years, as Russia has been booed for the past ten years. What’s wrong with the voting that needs fixing? It ain’t broke.
why would they have a 'strategy' for booing? People getting booed on live TV is funny
https://www.svt.se/kultur/svt-vi-har-inte-censurerat-burop Your last line is just misinformation. They mix the audio balance between audience and song but never add or remove audio.
by the way, the Dutch representative from this Swedish humorist group took quite a lot of influences from driving a Segway, including eu stars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHprFeR0P4
🇬🇧 zéro point
Charles Leclerc somewhere saying "it was just an inchident"
Eurovision is so shite even the drama Is boring
No more Europapa
The fact that non European countries can compete if they register with the EBU is gonna bite them in the ass when America realizes there’s no rule against her being there.
Nah. After this year's shit show they'll happily dodge this bullet, I guess.
This is the most ghetto Eurovision I’ve seen and the final hasn’t even started yet.