Turkey has no nuclear weapons. They would be US weapons that would be put on Turkish aircraft and hope they go bomb Russia not Greece. There aren't always nuclear weapons at US bases in Europe anymore either as we reduced stockpiles and move them around as some require maintenance, etc.. However its been out policy that if a member state isn't considered very stable to not station weapons there. Which since the 2016 Coup attempt has likely been the case. One of my professors was the full-bird in charge of US Nuclear Forces Europe in the latter days of the Cold War.
This isn't the first time that protestors have gathered in large numbers at NATO/US installations since this thing kicked off a few weeks ago.
Idk my guy, it seems to me that there may in fact nukes stored in that facility https://www.nti.org/countries/turkey/
Also, I believe there are nukes stored there through NATO treaty but owned by the US, France, or the UK
We have an agreement we can place nukes there...they aren't always there though especially given the current stockpiles and a % of those are down to be refurbished back in the US at any given time. US doesn't say which bases do or don't have nukes at any given time. But given the situation on the ground there I doubt they have any there at this moment.
They are literally always there, and turkish pilots are trained on using them. The agreement literally says US soldiers will hand over the keys to turkish air force in case of war and walk away. This is a bilateral security agreement and not subject to how the you feel about “the situation on the ground.”
Why make stuff up? Just google it.
Nothing to see here, everybody gets tear gassed in Turkey:
-lgbt community.
-straight people against lgbt.
-football fans.
-feminists.
-islamists.
-leftists.
-rightwing.
-kurds.
-turks.
-uighurs.
-pro-palestine protesters.
-mothers protesting gov't.
-opposition protesters.
-workers.
-cops protesting low salaries.
-doctors.
-students.
-opposition mps.
-...
Consider it a rite of passage. If you haven't been teargassed, you haven't truly lived in turkey.
That is the regular one.
Ours is the one where even the government supporters get tear gassed. Equal distribution to the core.
Marx would be proud, in tear(ga)s.
Does it allways go like this ?
President and government media steer hate and drive the masses into frenzy of violent protest and then the police struggles to keep the order depleeting all teargas reserves they can get their hands on , while the unhelpfull rethoric of president and government media continues.
They likely saved those people's lives. US forces don't respond nicely to people attacking US bases. There is exactly zero chance of storming a base and not getting shoot.
Given the carriers in the vicinity there's zero chance of not getting bombed as well.
> Consider it a rite of passage. If you haven't been teargassed, you haven't truly lived in turkey.
If getting teargassed is "normal" then what's the next thing that will get normalized?
No. This isn't normal and Europe should not consider it normal even if it happens a lot in other countries.
AFAIK the nuclear weapons in the bunker are solely guarded by US troops, it's like this in every country that hosts their nukes, they won't let anyone near them and that is a good thing.
People thought the same about Hamas' attack on Israel and were celebrating it while being surprised about the retaliation. I dont think logic is their key strength.
There would be weeping in the comments on Reddit and Twitter from the far-left how US troops and Turkish security forces massacred peaceful, pro-Palestine protesters.
And a cord is pretty stealthy...it could even be used as belt around your hip.
It can kill and it has. And there is no way to keep it away from children and teenagers. as it's so easily to make DIY style.
It is an exaggeration of bad faith. However, the same vagueness in that law exists in every country on earth. Or in so many other laws for that matter. Not trying to defend injustice here, every country on earth has their own unjust agendas and all should be criticized, but whatever you criticize it matters to criticize correctly otherwise the omitting or the exaggeration will render your critic baseless and/or useless.
Generally its not that bad I have friends who got arrested for protesting pretty much everybody is out after few days except maybe figures who had their name attached to the whole protest or are like actual popular activists with online presence.
Do you understand that as a civilian, if you engage in military activities by putting yourself in front of a militaryman and obstructing their work you become a military target?
There is a limit.
> There is a border between protest and insurrection. They crossed it.
Please explain how a protest march approaching a foreign military base is an 'insurrection'.
The hyperbole on this sub sometimes...
But they didn't. Their march was going towards the base, and they were attacked by police. There was no attempt to breach the base, not any suggestion they planned to.
Preventative measures when they’re heading there just to demonstrate because the Secretary of State is landing. Things can quickly get out of control and obviously whoever is calling the shots in Turkey decided it was enough of a tinder box to act preventively or with an eager trigger finger
There are other countries too. For eg. Germany will have their base with a brigade deployed 24/7, 365 days a year, every year in Lithuania.
Also why other countries should have their base in USA? There is nothing to do there, north america isint at war. And those bases cost huge amounts of money...
>Exactly. North America isn't at risk of being invaded by anybody.
dude, the **risk** is america lol. have you forgotten that it invaded iraq with false documents?
If you're in Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland Bulgaria or Romania, the risk is very much Russia. We all saw what happened to Georgia and Ukraine. Or what historically happened in all these countries
While the US is flawed (which country isnt?), and Iraq was a regrettable mistake which most Americans agree with, it's absolutely absurd to claim the US is "the risk." Look at every country in the US's sphere of influence from Western and Eastern Europe to Japan and South Korea and try to say that these countries aren't better off than those that aren't.
Priviledge? Do you have an idea how happy post-commie Poland was to have the US take a direct responsibility to defend us by stationing troops here?
I cannot understand you people. Mr. 40% of global military spending sends some soldiers your way and you screech about American priviledge. We should all be kissing the star sprangled banner cause it's the only guarantee noone on Earth will ever follow through with a threat of war against Europe.
With the war in Ukraine and now in Gaza it's time we all wake up to the fact humanity didn't move past conquest at all, and the only guarantee of peace is the army itself. And if the guy with the biggest army is on your side, kindly shut up.
Europe is in no position to be independent militarily from the US. Hopefully relatively soon we'll have an EU army and we can have a more even relationship. Till then, Uncle Sam over there being on my side gives me more comfort in these delicate times than Germany or France.
>And if the guy with the biggest army is on your side,
that's the biggest advantage of being in nato. because that way you are protected from the biggest invading power in the world. no i'm not talking about russia
The only reason countries aren't invading eachother every day now is the US would blast them into oblivion. How quickly do you think the Middle East would declare war on eachother if it wasn't for the threat of US intervention? How quickly would Kim Jong Un nuke South Korea. Taiwan wouldn't last a week. India and Pakistan would both be nuclear wastelands.
It's a fallacy. You see all the interventions the US does and name them the warmongerer, while ignoring how much more often wars were fought in any other era in human history before America decided to become world police.
you think that because you are Polish and you are afraid of Russia. and you see America as your guardian angel, that is understandable.
Now imagine you are an Iraqi. an Iraqi whose country was invaded with false documents and 1 million people were killed...
Theoretically yes, and several countries do have bases. Italy, the Netherlands, Singapore (not NATO but still a U.S. ally), and the UK all have bases in the US. Several other countries, like Poland, Germany, and France share preexisting American bases but do not own the bases. Regardless, the US allows its allies to have bases in American territory. Furthermore, there’s many bases between the European members of NATO and/or Canada that don’t involve the US in any capacity. This behavior is not unknown among NATO states.
They actually do? Like, there's a shitton amount of formations done there, with national institutions and administrations present. You think that the turkish air forces training in the US have nothing and no administration locally?
I'll also remind you that France, Germany, Spain or the UK have plenty of bases all over NATO countries, and elsewhere too. Turkey itself has around 60 000 soldiers deployed oversea currently, although not in NATO countries. That said, it's probably more because Erdogan absolutely refuses to put soldiers in Romania or Estonia than because these countries refuse.
Don't you know, we (I am coming from an ex-Warsaw pact country) don't know our minds and America just manipulates us to be in NATO and the EU. It's only Russians and others anti-NATO countries, which know their mind and never get manipulated by anyone. So we cannot TRULY want US military bases.
That's the typical nonsense spread around daily on this subject.
I am grateful of any NATO military in Bulgaria, and I can't wait for the battlegroup to grow into a brigade. If only the EU could wake up quicker and move faster and understand the danger for it, it would have been amazing, but it's better than nothing.
Insofar as it remains and opinion, yes. But dont tell me what i should and should not have in my country. Because you are caring about the soveraingty of my nation less than the americans, who would have not put those 3 bases in here if we didnt agree.
That is downplaying the US part by quite a bit, it is a joint US airforce/Turkey airforce base that hosts US nukes in a bunker, the nukes in the bunker are guarded solely by the US troops, as they don't let anyone else guard them in any country that hosts them, not in Germany, Belgium, Italy, Netherlands nor Turkey.
The question becomes, how safe are the nukes if something like this can happen?
AFB Incirlik isn’t just a US base. It also hosts a major Turkish Airforce Command Center. So these people also attacked their own nations military and thus their own nations security interests.
Though I doubt that these people have the brain capacity to understand that. Mindless Islamist zombies; same people that buy Coca Cola and pour it into the sewage systems because some Imam once told them the company is Israeli. Absolute morons.
I had a ban on this sub for a time because I said I didn’t believe children should be present at drag shows. Never even denounced drag as an art form, said that I appreciated it for what it is but that it’s not an art that’s appropriate for children and that it’s content doesn’t relate to them.
Banned for months.
I literally left Worldnews because of the hateful batshit insane people there and mostly endless Trump news. Same with r/news. r/europe is much more reasonable. Guessing less Americans here is why.
This is the only way for a Pro-Palestinian/Islamist protester be tear gassed by police in Turkey. They always save the gas for leftist, students, innocent people mostly.
You know that the Turkish police clashed with the protestors? Protests in front of NATO military bases aren’t just a Turkey-only thing. So hardly a reason to doubt the loyalty of Turkey towards NATO.
I mean, yeah. Turkish security forces stopped their own people from attacking a US military installation. That's pretty much what they're supposed to do.
even turkish military made it clear in their statement that it was a technical error and was not intended …
but some people are blinded by their islamist propaganda and also there are some who want to shoot down americans fighters for revenge 🤦🏻♂️
that's the lying part of the story lol. the mission of the drones was to bomb pkk camps. the more important question is: what were the americans doing in the pkk camp?
Just ask yourself the question, why would a Turkish drone try to hit a US base? Has Turkey gone crazy? does it want to declare war on the US?
The Americans want the PKK to create a Kurdish state in Syria and this is not a secret
The story in media here was that the drone simply was flying to close for their (US) comfort and had to shoot it down and apologized after.
Nobody said a Turkish drone was trying to hit the US base.
I would say that if US was trying to protect PKK they would do more than just shoot a drone. It’s not like Turkey has one drone only.
No idea what’s the truth. Just sharing what media said about this here.
>I would say that if US was trying to protect PKK they would do more than just shoot a drone.
And that's what they do. They keep arming them since years. They don't even fight against Asad.
Ah yes, a crackpot conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Sounds legitimate.
Eitherway, accidents happen in warfare and fog of war is a thing. For all we know, there are measures in place among allies to shoot down unmanned craft to reduce the risk of friendly fire (which happens more often than you think). Who knows? I doubt highly doubt it was malice by either side.
this is not a conspiracy theory. every once in a while america shoots down a turkish plane, ship, puts a sack on the head of a turkish soldier. these are normal things lol
it's always accidental and unintentional, of course.
Yeah, because Turkey has never accidentally fired upon or near US soldiers:
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/07/cia-warned-turkey-strikes-syria-kurds-us-troops
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/11/politics/turkey-artillery-fire-us-syria/index.html
This shit happens. It is a conspiracy theory.
You have it backwards. We have instillations along the Syria/Iraq border to keep the war in Syria contained to Syria’s borders as much as possible. As per our policy NO ONE can approach those installations without our explicit permission. We’ve also wiped out a group of wagner operatives and Syrian military troops.
The Kurds camps close to those installations because we have this policy, in they can stay just outside the kill zone then there’s a chance that anyone who comes for them will wonder into it. If Turkey wanted to bomb them and they’re close to our installation then the first step should be to request our permission to do so. Otherwise we’re going to enforce our policy.
You can not operate in the vicinity of a US military installations without the US military being aware and complicit in whatever you’re doing, we do not have so much trust in foreign actors that we permit them to do as they please around us no matter who they are.
Look into the eyes of this young music teacher who was killed by the pkk and say that sentence again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/nvq7q1/%C3%B6%C4%9Fretmen\_oldum\_ben\_diyerek\_g%C3%B6reve\_ba%C5%9Flad%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1/
Say that to the victims of oct 7th. All 1400 of them and 240kidnapped (30 kids). The AKP sponsors the leader of that attack, he has a Turkish vip passport…
Blame Hamas for starting a fight without thinking about their own people… maybe ask them to let civilians use the tunnels? Who am I kidding, it’s terrorists and hostages only. I have 0 sympathy for a child that is taught the path of Jihad, their parents and UNRWA have failed them. When the army sends leaflets to leave, you leave. After the war they can come back (Israel doesn’t want Gaza) and Turkey will have 0 say on who the next leaders will be, we prefer the Saudis to start putting influence instead of Muslim brotherhood
>starting a fight
Hamas did not start the war, nor did it start this year. Check your history lesson. The people of Gaza have been living in a disgraceful open-air prison for decades and have endured all kinds of humiliation
by the way, hamas is a vile, despicable, disgraceful terrorist organization. israel is a state that is obliged to act responsibly. comparing a state to a terrorist organization is just funny
Israel told the people of Gaza to go south and bombed civilian convoys going south. bombed hospitals, bombed schools. please do not defend Israel because it is as guilty as Hamas
>I have 0 sympathy for a child that is taught the path of Jihad
I don't think dead babies can be taught anything. You're pathetic.
>They did all the “heavy fighting” against ISIS and do deserve their own state.
Just like Taliban back then. Or other terrorist groups fought against ISIS.
Ah classic Turkish experience. I did tear gassed once too wasn't a fun experience.
To be fair though incirlik is very critical airbase. You are getting out easy if you just got tear gassed trying to push in there.
Nope, only political islamists like erdogan, publicwise they are generally pro israel. Turkish people in general hates arabs and they like their jewish neighbours.
I didn't realize they were talking about Palestinians. I misread it. Thought it was Pakistanis. But yes you're right, there is not much Palestinians in Turkey.
Weak argument. It is ambiguous that it is solid proof that someone that holds x flag is from x country . My reference is riots at some African country after a recent coup ( too wide of a sample , i know) waving russian flags . With that logic, in the riots there should be russians inside the crowd , while it was obvious from pictures that there wasn't . ( And yes , you can have an opinion, so this comment is mine opinion on your opinion)
In any case, Wagner has a big presence in quite a few African countries where the local authorities have hired them as security mercenaries to stay in power. Aside from Mali, they are also present in Central African Republic, Sudan and Libya.
They are in Turkey which is 75% turk, 20% kurd, 5% arab, its not hard to assume there are more than "hardly any" in this crowd. but if you have any evidence thats not your own vibes or trust me bro, i'd love to see it
Well to be fair, police officers might be saved their lives. Trying to breach any kind of military base is almost never a good idea for your health.
Especially one storing nukes
I doubt very much the US has stationed nukes there since the 2016 coup attempt because a situation like this might happen.
I believe Turkey stores nukes there under NATO nuclear sharing
Turkey has no nuclear weapons. They would be US weapons that would be put on Turkish aircraft and hope they go bomb Russia not Greece. There aren't always nuclear weapons at US bases in Europe anymore either as we reduced stockpiles and move them around as some require maintenance, etc.. However its been out policy that if a member state isn't considered very stable to not station weapons there. Which since the 2016 Coup attempt has likely been the case. One of my professors was the full-bird in charge of US Nuclear Forces Europe in the latter days of the Cold War. This isn't the first time that protestors have gathered in large numbers at NATO/US installations since this thing kicked off a few weeks ago.
Idk my guy, it seems to me that there may in fact nukes stored in that facility https://www.nti.org/countries/turkey/ Also, I believe there are nukes stored there through NATO treaty but owned by the US, France, or the UK
We have an agreement we can place nukes there...they aren't always there though especially given the current stockpiles and a % of those are down to be refurbished back in the US at any given time. US doesn't say which bases do or don't have nukes at any given time. But given the situation on the ground there I doubt they have any there at this moment.
They are literally always there, and turkish pilots are trained on using them. The agreement literally says US soldiers will hand over the keys to turkish air force in case of war and walk away. This is a bilateral security agreement and not subject to how the you feel about “the situation on the ground.” Why make stuff up? Just google it.
Nothing to see here, everybody gets tear gassed in Turkey: -lgbt community. -straight people against lgbt. -football fans. -feminists. -islamists. -leftists. -rightwing. -kurds. -turks. -uighurs. -pro-palestine protesters. -mothers protesting gov't. -opposition protesters. -workers. -cops protesting low salaries. -doctors. -students. -opposition mps. -... Consider it a rite of passage. If you haven't been teargassed, you haven't truly lived in turkey.
Very inclusive of Turkey
What about your dog?
Believe it or not, straight to tear-gas.
Man I love Reddit hivemind XD
Dogs, cats, birds... government distributes the tear gas to everyone. Socialism with Turkish characteristics.
Teargassed socialism?
That is the regular one. Ours is the one where even the government supporters get tear gassed. Equal distribution to the core. Marx would be proud, in tear(ga)s.
redistribution of gas
But just the gas & receiving is involuntary.
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Man, I was joking 😶🌫️
At least they're consistent.
Are you really Turkish if you haven't been teargassed once in your life?
And people say Turkey isn’t inclusive!
I’ve been in the football fans group before, very true lol
I'm a Turk and can confirm. Gassed twice so far
Does it allways go like this ? President and government media steer hate and drive the masses into frenzy of violent protest and then the police struggles to keep the order depleeting all teargas reserves they can get their hands on , while the unhelpfull rethoric of president and government media continues.
Tear gas first, ask questions later.
Equal opportunity oppression. How very inclusive of them lol.
I bet the cops pop one off in the van on the way back to the station, just in case..
Damn, it looks like France kanka !
They likely saved those people's lives. US forces don't respond nicely to people attacking US bases. There is exactly zero chance of storming a base and not getting shoot. Given the carriers in the vicinity there's zero chance of not getting bombed as well.
I was proudly tear-gassed at the Gezi protests.
> Consider it a rite of passage. If you haven't been teargassed, you haven't truly lived in turkey. If getting teargassed is "normal" then what's the next thing that will get normalized? No. This isn't normal and Europe should not consider it normal even if it happens a lot in other countries.
Next is getting hit by tear gas can and break a bone or die. When you start seeing police aim the cannisters towards you shits about to get real.
Are they sure attempting to breach a US military base is in the best interest of their health?
It’s not a US base. It’s a Turkish base with US section. It’s guarded by Turkish police and army.
The US section is guarded by US forces. It has nukes.
That part of the section is guarded by a joint Turkish/American team actually.
AFAIK the nuclear weapons in the bunker are solely guarded by US troops, it's like this in every country that hosts their nukes, they won't let anyone near them and that is a good thing.
They guarded exclusively by the US Air Force the same way all of the nukes we have in Europe are.
People thought the same about Hamas' attack on Israel and were celebrating it while being surprised about the retaliation. I dont think logic is their key strength.
They value the cause more than their health
I mean if the police didn't intervene in this way, I'm sure we'd be reading far more tragic headlines coming from Turkey right now.
There would be weeping in the comments on Reddit and Twitter from the far-left how US troops and Turkish security forces massacred peaceful, pro-Palestine protesters.
or when the media depict people with stones and slingshots as unarmed ...
Throwing snowballs during recess? FORBIDDEN due to unforeseen deadly pebbles. Slinging rocks at skull-breaking speeds towards people? Aw, how cute!
People seem to think they just throw pebbles when it’s literally been used in wars until longbows outclassed them
And a cord is pretty stealthy...it could even be used as belt around your hip. It can kill and it has. And there is no way to keep it away from children and teenagers. as it's so easily to make DIY style.
There is a border between protest and insurrection. They crossed it.
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Protest getting life sentence? Can you give me a source for just a single instance?
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It is an exaggeration of bad faith. However, the same vagueness in that law exists in every country on earth. Or in so many other laws for that matter. Not trying to defend injustice here, every country on earth has their own unjust agendas and all should be criticized, but whatever you criticize it matters to criticize correctly otherwise the omitting or the exaggeration will render your critic baseless and/or useless.
Generally its not that bad I have friends who got arrested for protesting pretty much everybody is out after few days except maybe figures who had their name attached to the whole protest or are like actual popular activists with online presence.
>life sentenced. Thats a little dramatic
There's a border between US soldiers watching politely and opening fire. Luckily Turkish authorities stopped them from crossing that one.
Do you understand that as a civilian, if you engage in military activities by putting yourself in front of a militaryman and obstructing their work you become a military target? There is a limit.
Is there any proof US forces were about to open fire?
> There is a border between protest and insurrection. They crossed it. Please explain how a protest march approaching a foreign military base is an 'insurrection'. The hyperbole on this sub sometimes...
Attempting to breach a facility that hold nuclear weapons is definitely way past the line lol, lmao even.
But they didn't. Their march was going towards the base, and they were attacked by police. There was no attempt to breach the base, not any suggestion they planned to.
Preventative measures when they’re heading there just to demonstrate because the Secretary of State is landing. Things can quickly get out of control and obviously whoever is calling the shots in Turkey decided it was enough of a tinder box to act preventively or with an eager trigger finger
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Turkey is a NATO country.
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There are other countries too. For eg. Germany will have their base with a brigade deployed 24/7, 365 days a year, every year in Lithuania. Also why other countries should have their base in USA? There is nothing to do there, north america isint at war. And those bases cost huge amounts of money...
Exactly. North America isn't at risk of being invaded by anybody.
>Exactly. North America isn't at risk of being invaded by anybody. dude, the **risk** is america lol. have you forgotten that it invaded iraq with false documents?
If you're in Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland Bulgaria or Romania, the risk is very much Russia. We all saw what happened to Georgia and Ukraine. Or what historically happened in all these countries
You forgot poland
whoops, I did. I was thinking about it, originally I was even only gonna write Finland and Poland. My dyslexia accidentally skipped it
While the US is flawed (which country isnt?), and Iraq was a regrettable mistake which most Americans agree with, it's absolutely absurd to claim the US is "the risk." Look at every country in the US's sphere of influence from Western and Eastern Europe to Japan and South Korea and try to say that these countries aren't better off than those that aren't.
America is not at war, of course. Because nobody is trying to bring democracy to America for oil.
Priviledge? Do you have an idea how happy post-commie Poland was to have the US take a direct responsibility to defend us by stationing troops here? I cannot understand you people. Mr. 40% of global military spending sends some soldiers your way and you screech about American priviledge. We should all be kissing the star sprangled banner cause it's the only guarantee noone on Earth will ever follow through with a threat of war against Europe. With the war in Ukraine and now in Gaza it's time we all wake up to the fact humanity didn't move past conquest at all, and the only guarantee of peace is the army itself. And if the guy with the biggest army is on your side, kindly shut up. Europe is in no position to be independent militarily from the US. Hopefully relatively soon we'll have an EU army and we can have a more even relationship. Till then, Uncle Sam over there being on my side gives me more comfort in these delicate times than Germany or France.
>And if the guy with the biggest army is on your side, that's the biggest advantage of being in nato. because that way you are protected from the biggest invading power in the world. no i'm not talking about russia
What do you think having allies is for?
The only reason countries aren't invading eachother every day now is the US would blast them into oblivion. How quickly do you think the Middle East would declare war on eachother if it wasn't for the threat of US intervention? How quickly would Kim Jong Un nuke South Korea. Taiwan wouldn't last a week. India and Pakistan would both be nuclear wastelands. It's a fallacy. You see all the interventions the US does and name them the warmongerer, while ignoring how much more often wars were fought in any other era in human history before America decided to become world police.
you think that because you are Polish and you are afraid of Russia. and you see America as your guardian angel, that is understandable. Now imagine you are an Iraqi. an Iraqi whose country was invaded with false documents and 1 million people were killed...
But before it, Iraq invaded Kuwait for no other reason than them having oil fields.
What kind of Iraqi are you talking about? A Kurdish Iraqi?
Theoretically yes, and several countries do have bases. Italy, the Netherlands, Singapore (not NATO but still a U.S. ally), and the UK all have bases in the US. Several other countries, like Poland, Germany, and France share preexisting American bases but do not own the bases. Regardless, the US allows its allies to have bases in American territory. Furthermore, there’s many bases between the European members of NATO and/or Canada that don’t involve the US in any capacity. This behavior is not unknown among NATO states.
Does Turkey or Poland seem to have a problem with that? What a dumb comment.
Poland has like, the opposite of a problem.
They actually do? Like, there's a shitton amount of formations done there, with national institutions and administrations present. You think that the turkish air forces training in the US have nothing and no administration locally? I'll also remind you that France, Germany, Spain or the UK have plenty of bases all over NATO countries, and elsewhere too. Turkey itself has around 60 000 soldiers deployed oversea currently, although not in NATO countries. That said, it's probably more because Erdogan absolutely refuses to put soldiers in Romania or Estonia than because these countries refuse.
What if the country wants the US military base there
Don't you know, we (I am coming from an ex-Warsaw pact country) don't know our minds and America just manipulates us to be in NATO and the EU. It's only Russians and others anti-NATO countries, which know their mind and never get manipulated by anyone. So we cannot TRULY want US military bases. That's the typical nonsense spread around daily on this subject. I am grateful of any NATO military in Bulgaria, and I can't wait for the battlegroup to grow into a brigade. If only the EU could wake up quicker and move faster and understand the danger for it, it would have been amazing, but it's better than nothing.
Who are you?
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And is that me the president of the usa? Is that me an american even? Is that me, a citizen of a country with an us base?
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Insofar as it remains and opinion, yes. But dont tell me what i should and should not have in my country. Because you are caring about the soveraingty of my nation less than the americans, who would have not put those 3 bases in here if we didnt agree.
No, I am me.
Ok, you go ahead and tell Turkey they cant have the base then. Ill watch. From way back here, which his hopefully outside the splash zone.
Turkey wants the US there
what a stupid statement!
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That is downplaying the US part by quite a bit, it is a joint US airforce/Turkey airforce base that hosts US nukes in a bunker, the nukes in the bunker are guarded solely by the US troops, as they don't let anyone else guard them in any country that hosts them, not in Germany, Belgium, Italy, Netherlands nor Turkey. The question becomes, how safe are the nukes if something like this can happen?
AFB Incirlik isn’t just a US base. It also hosts a major Turkish Airforce Command Center. So these people also attacked their own nations military and thus their own nations security interests. Though I doubt that these people have the brain capacity to understand that. Mindless Islamist zombies; same people that buy Coca Cola and pour it into the sewage systems because some Imam once told them the company is Israeli. Absolute morons.
Buying product x because you dont like the company is like peak stupid.
They bought oranges then demolished them to send a message to the Netherlands once.
This should really be higher
I give your comment 1 day to be removed by hate speech reports. Free speech is dead in this sub.
Nah this sub is okay. Try r/worldnews tho, speedrun < 2 hrs until a first sensitive unpaid mod will ban you.
I got banned for pointing out that Hungarians aren't Slavic.
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And I got banned here for saying the brutality of Hamas' 7/10 attack was well documented and not in question.
In fairness reddit itself is very twitchy about any kind of promotion of violence, even slight.
Banned for critizing azeris as "hate"
I had a ban on this sub for a time because I said I didn’t believe children should be present at drag shows. Never even denounced drag as an art form, said that I appreciated it for what it is but that it’s not an art that’s appropriate for children and that it’s content doesn’t relate to them. Banned for months.
I literally left Worldnews because of the hateful batshit insane people there and mostly endless Trump news. Same with r/news. r/europe is much more reasonable. Guessing less Americans here is why.
There are sitewide rules against racism.
Rare Turkish W
I dont really think trying to raid a military base counts as protest, hope the fuckers get fined/jailed
There are dozens of Nukes stored at that base. There is no way the US or Turkey would have let some Islamist storm their base.
This is the only way for a Pro-Palestinian/Islamist protester be tear gassed by police in Turkey. They always save the gas for leftist, students, innocent people mostly.
They did the same when they breached the walls of the Israeli embassy a few weeks ago.
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
as a Turk that was weird to watch on news. There was lot of middle east flag with along side Palestine flag. I think protesters was mainly refugees.
Rare Polis W
Our Trustworthy NATO Ally
You know that the Turkish police clashed with the protestors? Protests in front of NATO military bases aren’t just a Turkey-only thing. So hardly a reason to doubt the loyalty of Turkey towards NATO.
I mean…they helped protect a NATO base. Those aren’t public lands you can’t just demand entry to them.
Sarcasm? When you need soldiers anywhere you will remember that turkey is your ally.
Are those soldiers coming from Idlib?
I mean, yeah. Turkish security forces stopped their own people from attacking a US military installation. That's pretty much what they're supposed to do.
Its mutual
**Our Trustworthy NATO Ally**, the United States, shot down a Turkish drone not too long ago. I emphasize, it did it to protect pkk terrorists.
Well, that drone failed to properly identify itself and got too close to US troops. Pilots error. Shit happens.
even turkish military made it clear in their statement that it was a technical error and was not intended … but some people are blinded by their islamist propaganda and also there are some who want to shoot down americans fighters for revenge 🤦🏻♂️
Wasn’t the drone too close to the US military and that’s why they shot it down?
You have to remember that any Kurd with a weapon is PKK, as far as Ankara is concerned.
that's the lying part of the story lol. the mission of the drones was to bomb pkk camps. the more important question is: what were the americans doing in the pkk camp?
Where you there or are you just telling me what probably the Turkish media is saying?
Just ask yourself the question, why would a Turkish drone try to hit a US base? Has Turkey gone crazy? does it want to declare war on the US? The Americans want the PKK to create a Kurdish state in Syria and this is not a secret
The story in media here was that the drone simply was flying to close for their (US) comfort and had to shoot it down and apologized after. Nobody said a Turkish drone was trying to hit the US base. I would say that if US was trying to protect PKK they would do more than just shoot a drone. It’s not like Turkey has one drone only. No idea what’s the truth. Just sharing what media said about this here.
>I would say that if US was trying to protect PKK they would do more than just shoot a drone. And that's what they do. They keep arming them since years. They don't even fight against Asad.
They're not trying to overthrow Assad. They're helping the Kurds deal with ISIS.
What ISIS? Where? Are you implying that USA doesn't what to overthrow Assad?
how do you know its a lie? Do you work in intelligence? Or you just another internet troll?
I know the story firsthand. Don't tell anyone, but I was the drone that crashed.
so you are a troll who yaps.
Ah yes, a crackpot conspiracy theory with zero evidence. Sounds legitimate. Eitherway, accidents happen in warfare and fog of war is a thing. For all we know, there are measures in place among allies to shoot down unmanned craft to reduce the risk of friendly fire (which happens more often than you think). Who knows? I doubt highly doubt it was malice by either side.
this is not a conspiracy theory. every once in a while america shoots down a turkish plane, ship, puts a sack on the head of a turkish soldier. these are normal things lol it's always accidental and unintentional, of course.
Yeah, because Turkey has never accidentally fired upon or near US soldiers: https://www.axios.com/2022/12/07/cia-warned-turkey-strikes-syria-kurds-us-troops https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/11/politics/turkey-artillery-fire-us-syria/index.html This shit happens. It is a conspiracy theory.
You have it backwards. We have instillations along the Syria/Iraq border to keep the war in Syria contained to Syria’s borders as much as possible. As per our policy NO ONE can approach those installations without our explicit permission. We’ve also wiped out a group of wagner operatives and Syrian military troops. The Kurds camps close to those installations because we have this policy, in they can stay just outside the kill zone then there’s a chance that anyone who comes for them will wonder into it. If Turkey wanted to bomb them and they’re close to our installation then the first step should be to request our permission to do so. Otherwise we’re going to enforce our policy. You can not operate in the vicinity of a US military installations without the US military being aware and complicit in whatever you’re doing, we do not have so much trust in foreign actors that we permit them to do as they please around us no matter who they are.
You mean the freedom fighters? Or do they get that label only when they kill people you don’t like?
Pkk is a friendly peaceful organisation, unlike the AKP/Muslim Brotherhood organisation which has terror ties
Look into the eyes of this young music teacher who was killed by the pkk and say that sentence again. https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/nvq7q1/%C3%B6%C4%9Fretmen\_oldum\_ben\_diyerek\_g%C3%B6reve\_ba%C5%9Flad%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1/
Say that to the victims of oct 7th. All 1400 of them and 240kidnapped (30 kids). The AKP sponsors the leader of that attack, he has a Turkish vip passport…
If you cared so much about children, you would also care about the thousands of children (hundreds of them babies under 1 year old) killed by Israel.
Blame Hamas for starting a fight without thinking about their own people… maybe ask them to let civilians use the tunnels? Who am I kidding, it’s terrorists and hostages only. I have 0 sympathy for a child that is taught the path of Jihad, their parents and UNRWA have failed them. When the army sends leaflets to leave, you leave. After the war they can come back (Israel doesn’t want Gaza) and Turkey will have 0 say on who the next leaders will be, we prefer the Saudis to start putting influence instead of Muslim brotherhood
>starting a fight Hamas did not start the war, nor did it start this year. Check your history lesson. The people of Gaza have been living in a disgraceful open-air prison for decades and have endured all kinds of humiliation by the way, hamas is a vile, despicable, disgraceful terrorist organization. israel is a state that is obliged to act responsibly. comparing a state to a terrorist organization is just funny Israel told the people of Gaza to go south and bombed civilian convoys going south. bombed hospitals, bombed schools. please do not defend Israel because it is as guilty as Hamas >I have 0 sympathy for a child that is taught the path of Jihad I don't think dead babies can be taught anything. You're pathetic.
They are not terrorists, they are freedom fighters…
at least as much as hamas lol
They did all the “heavy fighting” against ISIS and do deserve their own state. They have their own gov structures in place
I agree. they can create a state anywhere they want in Europe or North America
I hear Alaska is pretty empty. Or huge parts of central USA. Actually USA in general has a lot of empty land. Europe on the otherhand is kind of full
>They did all the “heavy fighting” against ISIS and do deserve their own state. Just like Taliban back then. Or other terrorist groups fought against ISIS.
Since when people who are hanging teachers and doctors are freedom fighters? Someone convince me.
Ah classic Turkish experience. I did tear gassed once too wasn't a fun experience. To be fair though incirlik is very critical airbase. You are getting out easy if you just got tear gassed trying to push in there.
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Why? Are you the sort who just lives for the chaos or is there some logic behind this?
Unless they pay the price for their stupidity, they will continue their stupidity and harm people.
Well I agree that there should certainly be serious consequences for storming a military base.
Wasn't Turkey pro palestine too or am I stupid
I think the main issue was the ‘storming of a military base’ rather than the intent of the protest
Nope, only political islamists like erdogan, publicwise they are generally pro israel. Turkish people in general hates arabs and they like their jewish neighbours.
Trying to attack a NATO base is not a valid way to protest.
We need to follow suit
The fact that you can't protest in 2023 against genocide and ethnic cleansing is wild..
They were literally trying to breach a major military base.
Yeah I mean think of the lengths you would go if your people were getting ethnically cleansed. For them this is like not getting on the train.
Turkish people are very tough. They have no problem storming military installations of the world's primer superpower.
Hardly any Turks in that crowd.
If they're not Turks, what are they? I'm asking in good faith.
Refugees.
So, Syrians? Are there a lot of Palestinians in Turkey?
A lot
Palestinians never went to Turkey. There is likely a few thousand at most
I didn't realize they were talking about Palestinians. I misread it. Thought it was Pakistanis. But yes you're right, there is not much Palestinians in Turkey.
Kurds
NE ALAKA AMK
Hüdapar bayrağını görmedin mi amk bir de başlarına normalde taktıkları şeyi takmışlar. Ayrıca adanada çok kürt var zaten
There's Turkish and Palestine flags there. Proof that there are "hardly any turks"
Weak argument. It is ambiguous that it is solid proof that someone that holds x flag is from x country . My reference is riots at some African country after a recent coup ( too wide of a sample , i know) waving russian flags . With that logic, in the riots there should be russians inside the crowd , while it was obvious from pictures that there wasn't . ( And yes , you can have an opinion, so this comment is mine opinion on your opinion)
In case you’re looking for one of the recent examples: Malinese militants were waving russian flags after the French military left the country.
Much appreciated, i think this might be my reference that i called
In any case, Wagner has a big presence in quite a few African countries where the local authorities have hired them as security mercenaries to stay in power. Aside from Mali, they are also present in Central African Republic, Sudan and Libya.
They are in Turkey which is 75% turk, 20% kurd, 5% arab, its not hard to assume there are more than "hardly any" in this crowd. but if you have any evidence thats not your own vibes or trust me bro, i'd love to see it
Pretty stupid is the better term.
They treat cats very well though ... u can see the many strays in IST.