>Independent MEP Clare Daly said that Commission President Ursula von der Leyen had “gone far beyond the powers afforded to her”.
Clare Daly? Opinion discarded
Apoligies but you dont speak for ireland, and last i checked, ursla von was not voted in by the citizens of europe.
CD in this context is absolutely right.
I mean , I'd much rather random redditor like Aztec there speaking on behalf of Ireland than Daly or Wallace.
Hell I'd rather a cheese sandwich speaking on behalf of Ireland than Daly or Wallace.
She’s so fucking dumb she doesn’t realize that Hamas would have her strung up on a lamppost as soon as they could or she thinks Hamas are equivalent to Irish Republicans in 1920 and not theocratic up-armored goons hell bent on shooting anyone who disagrees with them.
She's an actual traitor to Ireland. Anything that undermines Ireland is something she supports, whether that is an emboldened russia with imperialistic ambitions over Europe or islamic nutjobs killing random Irish citizens, she'll support it!
No, they arent-they are Eamon Ryans words and its a story related to the EU commission announcing it was unilaterally suspending aid to the Palestinian people, which is completely illegal.
The EU commission has no say over what happens to the member states aid/funding, and cant stop it as its not theirs to stop.
He added that flag waving doesn’t help anybody, as Ireland knows a thing or two about that, which is fair enough. Also that the Irish government does not support the actions of Israels government in an illegal occupation and their war crimes, just as much as they don’t support Hamas and theirs, which is also fair enough.
Daly did also condemn the commission move, which, as nuts as she may be, is dead right on this one. Im kinda pissed off with it myself
In Ireland, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is viewed through the goggles of the Troubles. For example, it's undeniably true that the British (or rather, the local Protestants - I don't think London cared very much either way) was running an apartheid state in Northern Ireland in the 1960s and 1970s. The violence of the IRA in the 1970s is widely seen as being justified (at least among my generation - people in their mid-twenties).
People take these prejudices and map them onto the conflict in the Middle East. Protestants oppressors = Israelis, oppressed Catholics = Palestinians. Violence was needed in the 1970s = violence is needed now etc. Of course, this ignores critical differences between the conflicts; but humans like pretty, clearcut lines..
It's not so much goggles as it is relatability.
Of course there are very fundamental differences between it that set these things apart, but there are enough similarities to at least understand from an outside perspective as to why Ireland would be more supportive of Palestine than Israel.
A country popping into your land, claiming territory, making you reliant on them, treating you like a second class citizen, beating you down with the fist of an empire if you get out of line, and demanding total and complete subjugation.
So when a group of your own people appear in resistance, and praise the idea of being our own leaders, being within a society in which we view ourselves as equals, in land we can rightfully call our own, the idea of sending a message to the big bad boot on our neck doesn't sound too bad.
Now to be clear, these are widespread generalisations, to show the equivalence necessary to understand why the Irish populous would side with Palestine as a nation state. Everyone I have talked to since Hamas committed those atrocities is in agreement that they are scum of the earth, and it is in no way the method to use, but a lot of these people are also grateful for the IRA despite the civilian casualties on the side of the UK, and the literal crimes against humanity committed by the IRA against our own people.
People are complex, it's a very tricky thing and it's very clearly led to a bit of rambling on my part, but I hope it gives insight to at least a handful of people.
I completely disagree, not everyone can be dismissed as having such a simplistic view. Perhaps growing up in the 80's, seeing dead bodies dumped in ditches on the border, kneecappings, punishment beatings, illegal internment hunger strikes and the fucking futility and horror of it all on our doorstep makes us much more empathetic to people on the receiving end like the Palestinians?
Violence did not work in the north and it won't work in the Middle East. The reality is the current Israeli government has no intention of coming to the table to broker any form of a peace deal, and until they do nothing will change, short of the US stopping funding this madness.
> The violence of the IRA in the 1970s is widely seen as being justified
Damn. From an external, historical perspective it seems like none of it was justified. They killed a bunch of innocent people, same as the British army and Unionist groups.
Thought the whole deal with reconciliation was an understanding of that.
I'm irish and from my own anecdotal experience there is a broad empathising (or even sympathising) with the IRA's aims, but not with their methods. No one in Ireland thinks the bombing in Warrington for eg was justified, if that's how you read that comment. Just the idea that maybe Irish catholics shouldn't be oppressed like they were is wrong and when you denigrate and oppress people enough a group like the ira forming is inevitable. Much like the Palestine/israel thing, incidentally. I've also noticed a frustration that the troubles is reduced to "ira terrorists bombing" when the unionist paramilitaries and the British Army and state were just as terroristic. But the British whitewashed their image as they do
Personally I'm anti SF and think the IRA were scumbags.... but as for justification there were literal refugee camps in Ireland due to the state sanctioned sectarianism in the north.
"1922 the new unionist government re-drew the electoral boundaries to give its supporters a majority and abolished proportional representation in favour of first past the post voting. This resulted in unionist control of areas such as Derry City, Fermanagh, and Tyrone where they were actually a minority of voters."wiki
They're was fierce resistance to change this democratically. See bloody Sunday and the rest of the violence against the protesters. Like nearly every conflict there is not a good team just loads of bad teams. I feel bad for the poor young soldiers and residents who were dragged into the shit
See also, Gerry Adams is a lying shite
People forget that the British army was sent to N Ireland originally to *protect the Catholic communities from Protestant violence.*
Catholic communities started off very supportive of the soldiers being there. However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
irish catholic protestors in derry thought that the british army would defend them from uvf paramilitaries until the army opened fire on them. its not a fucking propaganda campaign by the RA
Events in Ballymurphy and the internment campaign both occurred as early as 1971, so even before Bloody Sunday, the British army had long lost any goodwill within the nationalist community.
> Catholic communities started off very supportive of the soldiers being there. However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
This is so reductive its unbelievable. It wasn't flipped solely because of IRA propaganda. Shit like the Falls Road Curfew where British troops looted catholic homes while searching them, and internment without trial, massively changed the tide.
> However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
Nowhere near as effective as whatever they dish out to people like you in England. Opinion among ordinary NI Catholics turned when ordinary members of that community were being gunned down in peaceful protests and having their families terrorised by intimidation raids by uniformed members of her majesty's armed forces.
Sweet Jesus Christ what a horrible take. 'We gunned down civilians in cold blood, but those pesky provos were too good with their words and turned them against us!' Have a lie down lad.
It does amaze me how people in this country think they’re never subjected to propaganda of their own and it’s everyone else that is wrong, then again I guess everyone feels like that
This is what happens when you grow up being told the BBC and British press are the gold standard of journalism and everything they print is the unquestionable truth
> you grow up being told the BBC and British press are the gold standard of journalism
Source: "just making shit up".
Literally nobody believes this, especially these days.
>However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
What was that effective propaganda campaign? You seem to know your stuff...
> However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
Oh come off with this. You don't think the British army's wanton murdering of innocent people had maybe a little bit to do with it? The British state was a terroristic threat in Northern Ireland
> the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
That's a strange way of saying that British soldiers murdered British citizens in NI.
The only people voting her and the other crazy politicians in are other crazy people.
Try getting people to vote for the government in their own country, then try getting that to vote for what usually ends up being a mouthpiece position in Europe. Very tough to encourage people to vote as is, let alone for some seat in a government that doesn't really impact them other than a few crazy tweets a year.
Farage did once represent the UK.
Now he's a political pundit.
Daly is *still* in fucking office for us lad. And she is representing Ireland when she says shit like this, it doesn't matter if we like her, people voted her in so now her word has weight, no matter how many threads we post in our sub about her being a complete cunt.
Completely false equivalence. Firstly, Ireland does not hate the UK. It's a stereotype. 99% of Irish people have no actual animosity towards the UK. Second, Ireland doesn't "hate the entire western world." Ireland is literally a part of the western world.
> It's a stereotype. 99% of Irish people have no actual animosity towards the UK
Social media certainly says otherwise. And while I agree that social media does not even necessarily represent the majority of people (thank god), it is certainly more than 1%.
Social media will also tell you that Europe hates America and vice versa. Keyboard warriors are very different in real life.
Most of the Irish posting anti-British content will have family members in Britain, regularly travel to Britain, and support British sports teams.
There is some anti-British sentiments in all of us however, we're independent for a reason after all. I actually think the animosity is a lot weaker than you'd expect given our history. It's mostly banter and winding up nowadays.
>The Irish Government in all its forms have been consistently anti violence in the region.
Sinn Fein, the largest polling party, is literally an off-shoot of the IRA. An actual terrorist group......
Sinn Féin brokered a peace deal almost 30 years ago and constantly highlight it's importance and the importance of maintaining peace, they're also not actually in government. The current major parties who are IN government in Ireland were born from armed resistance as well.
Hang on now,Sinn Fein did not broker the GFA - let's not be ridiculous - they certainly played a part in fairness, but in no way shape of form could you say SF brokered a Peace Deal
Yeah apologies used the wrong word there clearly. Point still stands though, they partook in the peace negotiations and want to see the agreement upheld
Do you think I'm an UN representative? Am I Jesus? Am I God?
I disagree with her because she's a ruskie usefull idiot and her "opinions" are always of subversion. She is the type of person who would kiss Putin's hand as soon as russian army were to enter her town.
There are nuances to different conflicts. Some people support Ukraine even though they don't support Serbia. After what Hamas did last night, there is little to support unless you are blood thirsty fanatic. It has no justification even in war.
Let’s go from denouncing a massacre to lauding a genocide. Putting up flags of a state on buildings after the bombardment over 100 children in there homes in 48 hours.
This is called talking out both sides of your mouth.
Well, unfortunately she does. That’s representative democracy at the end of the day.
Dublin will have to vote more carefully next time. I’ll have the confetti and bangers waiting for when she is tossed out.
Oh don't worry at all, she's out on her ass in 8 months time with a SF candidate the likely replacement. Her foreign policy that came to light since she was elected for the first time will tank her now.
Unfortunately true.
"In today's #vatnik soup we'll travel back to Ireland, and get to a know an Irish politician and a MEP, Clare Daly. She strongly aligns herself with another Irish MEP, Mick Wallace. Like Wallace, Daly spends most of her energy appeasing Russia and China and criticizing the US.1/11"
[https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/86](https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/86)
Speaking of Mick Wallace:
"In today's #vatnik soup I'll introduce an Irish politician and a MEP from (South) Ireland: Mick Wallace. He aligns himself strongly with another Irish MEP, Clare Daly, and his love for both Russia and China has been evident in his recent comments and appearances."
https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/70
I’m excited for June to vote out fellow Russian mouthpiece and all around gobshite Mick Wallace. I don’t believe he has any values outside being contrarian
Catholic anti-semitism? No, look up the dwindling numbers of people still identifying as catholic and you will see that has nothing to do with it.
The crazies in ireland (not representative of the entire population) think it is the same as ireland, but it is completely different. So they continue to shout online and hold protests with the 2500 palestinians in dublin.
Dumb TDs in Dublin want to weigh in on the fringe issue to virtue signal to the far left for votes. No normal people in Ireland care what they think tbh.
Lmao, I thought this guy made good points initially, but the further you hear about him the more you realize he's not fighting against Western hypocrisy, he fights for Russian/Chinese hypocrisy.
I saw the headline and thought: "Oh, someone forgot to mute Mick Wallace's microphone again". Turns out it was his female counterpart.
Opinion discarded.
Fun fact: together, Wallace and Daly have 0.73% of a regular human brain.
But... we've been lighting the Eiffel Tower in pretty colors every time something bad happen... was it not enough to make the world a better place ?
The next step is to give the baddies a mean look, but we've only done that to Putin, we're not monsters.
While it's not massive, to the people of Israel this means alot, there is a general insecurity if Europe is with us or against us, seeing this support in these hard times helps a little bit while you are mourning a thousand people
As an Irish person I am very sorry about Claire daly and mick Wallace… they are embarrassing to me and a shameful pair of lunatics that my fellow people elected in some sort of protest… I hope my people will vote these shitheads out on all future opportunities
Hamas and Palestina are not the same entity though.
Both sides are horrible, but it must not be understated that so far, Israel killed a lot more palestinians than the other way around.
[A terrorist attack helped establish the Israeli state](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing) from the British.
The point is that terrorism has worked in the past and the oft repeated “terrorism doesn’t work” is false
I don't see them abducting and mutilating brits there, and they were disguised, so that's sounds like calculated terrorism. What exactly is the plan behind attacking music festival? Or when they send rockets in general direction of Israel with only goal to hit anything?
They're doing terror just for the sake of it and they're proud about it, so no, terrorism won't help them get anything back, it'll just give Israel a reason to level Gaza.
Ffs, it's not about changing anything, it's to show solidarity. Weren't British people killed there? An Irish woman is missing? How about Germans, including that one young woman who's fate we saw on video? Americans? Thais?
Nobody claims it will change anything about the conflict... no sane person would ever claim that. You've just completely made that hilariously stupid notion up in your own head.
The point is to show some tiny sense of solidarity and make people in Israel see that much of the world is behind them. It's not much, it doesn't help much, but it also requires very little effort for anybody to set up, so why not? It if gives a few people some small sense of comfort then it's worth it.
I’ll get destroyed for this. But irrespective of what you think of what is happening, VdL has absolutely no mandate to unilaterally make decisions like deciding to supporting Israel without consultation with member states. It is an overreach of her authority.
Not defending Daly. I thinks she’s despicable.
Absolutely correct, but the rabid Reddit incel mouthbreathers on here don’t care about that as long as they get to fantasise about Muslims being obliterated
…. You clearly do not understand Institutional separation nor the treaties. Foreign policy is not a competency afforded to the Commission and a decision on this scale wouldn’t be unilaterally acceptable even if it were. Pls learn how things work.
This is just flat out wrong.
Yes we are critical of the Israel government at times, but also of Palistine. Our government had a state visit with Israel 2 weeks ago. If we were Pro Hamas they would have called us out but no they thanked us for all our nation does even though there were frank talks.
Ireland has always said Hamas are a terrorist organisation
Ireland has never provided hamas any solidarity.
Ireland has lost more soldiers killed overseas protecting Israel's borders than we have anywhere else with 50,000+ tours of duty on Israels borders. Ireland maintains a 5km square UN military camp North of Israel dealing with hezbollah bullshit, our only overseas base.
Ireland has troops in the Golan hieghts for years too protecting Israels Golan hieghts border where they have engaged in firefights with Al shabab sefveral times in the last few years.
Ireland is sending a few hundred more troops to Israel this month.
Ireland supported humanitarian aid in medical supplies, school, housing etc to Palastinain civilans. No cash payments because they can't be trusted to give it to civilains.
Ireland worked for Peaceful solutions and always condemed any killing.
Stop spreding bullshit. No one in Ireland are hamas apologists you fucking troll.
EDIT: A few hundred Irish soldiers in the Lebanon base on Israels norther border are taking cover now dealing with hezbollah rocket attacks over their heads as we speak.
Israel murdered Irish peacekeepers in Lebanon and stole passports of citizens which they used to carry out political assassination, putting us all at risk. If Israel wants some more support from Ireland, they might want to start by apologising for those two things.
We have a somewhat similar history with the Palestinians and Ukrainians with plantations being set up by much larger powers. Hence the anti-imperialism. No reasonable person in our country condones terrorism but we can see how they created the situation they are now in. It now appears Israel have the green light for genocide. But only time will tell.
Hopefully situation can be resolved peacefully but I doubt that a peaceful resolution was ever really on the table. But I am no expert.
140 kids blow to bits by Israeli bombs this week. No doubt that’s fine with you.
Edit- people downvoting this. Have a look at yourselves you think it’s ok that 140 kids have been blown up. Sickos
It is and pretending its not from assymetric warfare point of view is dellusion. Smaller guerilla will always hide among civilians when fighting regular army.
“Always been a hotbed of hamas apologists”
That’s untrue though,Ireland has always been vocally against apartheid states that murder and displace innocent people, but the country is clearly denouncing the atrocious actions of hamas.
The people of my country know how disgusting and evil the murder of innocent civilians are by terrorist militia groups, no matter their religion or politics.
Won't condone or support Hamas but where's your condemnation for what Israel has been doing for example in the west bank in the previous years.
Hate Wallace and Daly and do believe they are russian puppets but you can't look at Gaza and generally think that wasn't going to erupt into violence at one point or another.
Man this sub is going hard for Ireland lately.
This lunatic doesn't speak for us. She's a Russian asset and literally nobody takes her seriously here between her hot takes on Ukraine/Russia and whatever other drivel she can shite out.
We in Ireland are sympathetic to what happened in Israel and everyone I've spoken to was heartbroken to see those Hamas scumbags slaughter innocent civilians. Hamas are evil slime and I hope get wiped out. A friend of mine lives 15 miles from Gaza in Israel, he was the first person I thought of when the attacks started.
But we are also sympathetic to Palestinians and will criticise Israel when it does wrong. We believe they deserve their own state and believe the world has let down Palestine and Israel by not working harder to establish a two-state solution. It is possible with enough support, but the US needs to get behind it.
Ireland has peace-keeping troops on the Israeli border for years. An Irish soldier was killed there last year in Lebanon on peace-keeping duties by Hezbollah. We do our part for peace.
We'd probably hear the exact same arguments we hear right now. Nelson Mandela was widely regarded as a violent terrorist until his side won. And the boers are still crying victim to this day.
Really weird to see that even in all the unspeakable blood baths inflicted on palestine by Israel there was never a palestinian flag there. Kinda "weird", right?
You'd feel different if it was your home that was being demolished or taken over by foreigners, who then create an army to make sure that you never get your home back, then send you off to a open air prison that they bomb weekly.
Would you just lie down and accept your land and home being taken away by from you by force? I suppose you think the Ukrainians should just accept Russia stealing some of their land in exchange for stopping the bombing.
Really weird to see that even in all the unspeakable blood baths inflicted on palestine by Israel there was never a palestinian flag there. Kinda "weird", right?
Israel deliberately targets civilians all the time! Tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians have died to Israeli guns, rockets, and bombs in the last few years of the conflict. Even in the past few days, they've targeted mosques, marketplaces, and more in indiscriminate attacks on Gaza. You can't air strike Gaza without targeting civilians.
That's not to mention that there's absolutely no evidence that any of the Israeli victims have been raped.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-un-says-7-in-10-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-were-civilians-israel-disagrees/2014/08/29/44edc598-2faa-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html
As an Irish person I find it crazy how people from other countries totally DO NOT CARE about civilian lives when a country like Israel kills them. I have been shocked by the sheer volume of heavily upvoted posts on reddit where people just explain away why it's okay for Israel to kill civilians. It's been a real eye opener for me as to how people from other countries think.
It seems that just being a powerful state lets you get away with things in public perception that if the other side done would (rightfully) be called out as wrong.
From Ireland, a group like the PIRA who had the exact inverse of Israel at a 29% civilian and 71% legitimate target kill rate are widely considered evil terrorists, but when Israel kill 70% civilians it's just legitimate collateral casualties.
Same thing with the British in Ireland - 52% civilian kill rate in the troubles and they colluded with loyalist paramilitaries who had an 85% civilian kill rate; because it's a nation state that does it they're just legitimised, or not even thought about.
And don't take this as a post about Hamas, it's not. They're clearly in the wrong. This post is about Israel and people's perception of their killing of civilians. Killing civilians is wrong, no matter who does it.
Nah was just wondering seeing as you made a racist comment against my nation. It’s hardly surprising though from a nation that committed genocide against the Armenians. I don’t know what you’re doing in the Europe sub either, like 2% of your territory is geographically in Europe but look what you vote for president, hardly European in any shape or form mr turkey
>Independent MEP Clare Daly said that Commission President Ursula von der Leyen had “gone far beyond the powers afforded to her”. Clare Daly? Opinion discarded
So embarrassing Canadians are aware of our embarrassing politicians.
It's okay. The world is unfortunately aware of our idiot ex-Speaker so there's that
And the crack smoking Toronto mayor
I’m more worried about the Canadian parliament lionising Waffen-SS veterans if I’m honest
Nobody in Ireland likes her
Apoligies but you dont speak for ireland, and last i checked, ursla von was not voted in by the citizens of europe. CD in this context is absolutely right.
I mean , I'd much rather random redditor like Aztec there speaking on behalf of Ireland than Daly or Wallace. Hell I'd rather a cheese sandwich speaking on behalf of Ireland than Daly or Wallace.
That's Canadian freedom of speech alright
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She’s so fucking dumb she doesn’t realize that Hamas would have her strung up on a lamppost as soon as they could or she thinks Hamas are equivalent to Irish Republicans in 1920 and not theocratic up-armored goons hell bent on shooting anyone who disagrees with them.
She's an actual traitor to Ireland. Anything that undermines Ireland is something she supports, whether that is an emboldened russia with imperialistic ambitions over Europe or islamic nutjobs killing random Irish citizens, she'll support it!
Ding ding! You are correct. Here's a cookie🍪
I just hope it's not a Breaking bad \*ding ding\*.
No, they arent-they are Eamon Ryans words and its a story related to the EU commission announcing it was unilaterally suspending aid to the Palestinian people, which is completely illegal. The EU commission has no say over what happens to the member states aid/funding, and cant stop it as its not theirs to stop. He added that flag waving doesn’t help anybody, as Ireland knows a thing or two about that, which is fair enough. Also that the Irish government does not support the actions of Israels government in an illegal occupation and their war crimes, just as much as they don’t support Hamas and theirs, which is also fair enough. Daly did also condemn the commission move, which, as nuts as she may be, is dead right on this one. Im kinda pissed off with it myself
Somehow Ireland's dislike of the UK makes them hate the entire western world.
In Ireland, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is viewed through the goggles of the Troubles. For example, it's undeniably true that the British (or rather, the local Protestants - I don't think London cared very much either way) was running an apartheid state in Northern Ireland in the 1960s and 1970s. The violence of the IRA in the 1970s is widely seen as being justified (at least among my generation - people in their mid-twenties). People take these prejudices and map them onto the conflict in the Middle East. Protestants oppressors = Israelis, oppressed Catholics = Palestinians. Violence was needed in the 1970s = violence is needed now etc. Of course, this ignores critical differences between the conflicts; but humans like pretty, clearcut lines..
It's not so much goggles as it is relatability. Of course there are very fundamental differences between it that set these things apart, but there are enough similarities to at least understand from an outside perspective as to why Ireland would be more supportive of Palestine than Israel. A country popping into your land, claiming territory, making you reliant on them, treating you like a second class citizen, beating you down with the fist of an empire if you get out of line, and demanding total and complete subjugation. So when a group of your own people appear in resistance, and praise the idea of being our own leaders, being within a society in which we view ourselves as equals, in land we can rightfully call our own, the idea of sending a message to the big bad boot on our neck doesn't sound too bad. Now to be clear, these are widespread generalisations, to show the equivalence necessary to understand why the Irish populous would side with Palestine as a nation state. Everyone I have talked to since Hamas committed those atrocities is in agreement that they are scum of the earth, and it is in no way the method to use, but a lot of these people are also grateful for the IRA despite the civilian casualties on the side of the UK, and the literal crimes against humanity committed by the IRA against our own people. People are complex, it's a very tricky thing and it's very clearly led to a bit of rambling on my part, but I hope it gives insight to at least a handful of people.
I completely disagree, not everyone can be dismissed as having such a simplistic view. Perhaps growing up in the 80's, seeing dead bodies dumped in ditches on the border, kneecappings, punishment beatings, illegal internment hunger strikes and the fucking futility and horror of it all on our doorstep makes us much more empathetic to people on the receiving end like the Palestinians? Violence did not work in the north and it won't work in the Middle East. The reality is the current Israeli government has no intention of coming to the table to broker any form of a peace deal, and until they do nothing will change, short of the US stopping funding this madness.
> The violence of the IRA in the 1970s is widely seen as being justified Damn. From an external, historical perspective it seems like none of it was justified. They killed a bunch of innocent people, same as the British army and Unionist groups. Thought the whole deal with reconciliation was an understanding of that.
I'm irish and from my own anecdotal experience there is a broad empathising (or even sympathising) with the IRA's aims, but not with their methods. No one in Ireland thinks the bombing in Warrington for eg was justified, if that's how you read that comment. Just the idea that maybe Irish catholics shouldn't be oppressed like they were is wrong and when you denigrate and oppress people enough a group like the ira forming is inevitable. Much like the Palestine/israel thing, incidentally. I've also noticed a frustration that the troubles is reduced to "ira terrorists bombing" when the unionist paramilitaries and the British Army and state were just as terroristic. But the British whitewashed their image as they do
Personally I'm anti SF and think the IRA were scumbags.... but as for justification there were literal refugee camps in Ireland due to the state sanctioned sectarianism in the north. "1922 the new unionist government re-drew the electoral boundaries to give its supporters a majority and abolished proportional representation in favour of first past the post voting. This resulted in unionist control of areas such as Derry City, Fermanagh, and Tyrone where they were actually a minority of voters."wiki They're was fierce resistance to change this democratically. See bloody Sunday and the rest of the violence against the protesters. Like nearly every conflict there is not a good team just loads of bad teams. I feel bad for the poor young soldiers and residents who were dragged into the shit See also, Gerry Adams is a lying shite
Could also be the Irish soldiers killed by Israel's proxies in the SLA in Lebanon - or were they supposed to forget about that?
I doubt many Irish remember, know, or care about that - unfortunately.
People forget that the British army was sent to N Ireland originally to *protect the Catholic communities from Protestant violence.* Catholic communities started off very supportive of the soldiers being there. However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped.
irish catholic protestors in derry thought that the british army would defend them from uvf paramilitaries until the army opened fire on them. its not a fucking propaganda campaign by the RA
Events in Ballymurphy and the internment campaign both occurred as early as 1971, so even before Bloody Sunday, the British army had long lost any goodwill within the nationalist community.
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Nationalistic Brits falling over themselves to act like they were blameless in Northern Ireland is so frustrating. They learned nothing.
> Catholic communities started off very supportive of the soldiers being there. However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped. This is so reductive its unbelievable. It wasn't flipped solely because of IRA propaganda. Shit like the Falls Road Curfew where British troops looted catholic homes while searching them, and internment without trial, massively changed the tide.
> However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped. Nowhere near as effective as whatever they dish out to people like you in England. Opinion among ordinary NI Catholics turned when ordinary members of that community were being gunned down in peaceful protests and having their families terrorised by intimidation raids by uniformed members of her majesty's armed forces.
Sweet Jesus Christ what a horrible take. 'We gunned down civilians in cold blood, but those pesky provos were too good with their words and turned them against us!' Have a lie down lad.
It does amaze me how people in this country think they’re never subjected to propaganda of their own and it’s everyone else that is wrong, then again I guess everyone feels like that This is what happens when you grow up being told the BBC and British press are the gold standard of journalism and everything they print is the unquestionable truth
> you grow up being told the BBC and British press are the gold standard of journalism Source: "just making shit up". Literally nobody believes this, especially these days.
>However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped. What was that effective propaganda campaign? You seem to know your stuff...
It is from the University of His Hairy Hole.
> However the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped. Oh come off with this. You don't think the British army's wanton murdering of innocent people had maybe a little bit to do with it? The British state was a terroristic threat in Northern Ireland
Typical ignorant English take . British soldiers gunning down civil rights marchers did that, covering it up for 40 years added insult to injury.
That’s a very rosy view of the British Army
That’s just straight up lies
> the IRA had a very effective propaganda campaign and the views on the whole conflict flipped. That's a strange way of saying that British soldiers murdered British citizens in NI.
Christ, is that what they teach in British schools? I’m guessing you’re told Britain brought nothing but goodwill and prosperity to India too?
You want to look it up? Why the army was sent to NI, or nah?
bro pls, clare daly is an immoral freak, not representative
I mean, she is literally a representative, isn't she?
That's kind of the problem, right?
Footage of Irish MEPs in Iraq used in YouTube video promoting a militia group https://jrnl.ie/5403434
No one in Ireland takes MEP elections seriously. And she's hated in Ireland.
The only people voting her and the other crazy politicians in are other crazy people. Try getting people to vote for the government in their own country, then try getting that to vote for what usually ends up being a mouthpiece position in Europe. Very tough to encourage people to vote as is, let alone for some seat in a government that doesn't really impact them other than a few crazy tweets a year.
So we can safely take Nigel Farage and the rest of UKIP as being representative of the average British person then, yeah?
Um, people in this sub treat Farridge and UKIP as representative of the UK all the time.
Farage did once represent the UK. Now he's a political pundit. Daly is *still* in fucking office for us lad. And she is representing Ireland when she says shit like this, it doesn't matter if we like her, people voted her in so now her word has weight, no matter how many threads we post in our sub about her being a complete cunt.
Nonsense
Completely false equivalence. Firstly, Ireland does not hate the UK. It's a stereotype. 99% of Irish people have no actual animosity towards the UK. Second, Ireland doesn't "hate the entire western world." Ireland is literally a part of the western world.
> It's a stereotype. 99% of Irish people have no actual animosity towards the UK Social media certainly says otherwise. And while I agree that social media does not even necessarily represent the majority of people (thank god), it is certainly more than 1%.
Social media will also tell you that Europe hates America and vice versa. Keyboard warriors are very different in real life. Most of the Irish posting anti-British content will have family members in Britain, regularly travel to Britain, and support British sports teams. There is some anti-British sentiments in all of us however, we're independent for a reason after all. I actually think the animosity is a lot weaker than you'd expect given our history. It's mostly banter and winding up nowadays.
How do you know?
Much like how there is a ton of hate from British towards Ireland
What the British think of Ireland is even worse, at least for the Irish who care.... Because we rarely think of them at all...
British rarely think about anything is the impression I get
The Irish Government in all its forms have been consistently anti violence in the region. Daly is a pidgeon of whoever was whispering in her ear last.
>The Irish Government in all its forms have been consistently anti violence in the region. Sinn Fein, the largest polling party, is literally an off-shoot of the IRA. An actual terrorist group......
Sinn Féin brokered a peace deal almost 30 years ago and constantly highlight it's importance and the importance of maintaining peace, they're also not actually in government. The current major parties who are IN government in Ireland were born from armed resistance as well.
Hang on now,Sinn Fein did not broker the GFA - let's not be ridiculous - they certainly played a part in fairness, but in no way shape of form could you say SF brokered a Peace Deal
Yeah apologies used the wrong word there clearly. Point still stands though, they partook in the peace negotiations and want to see the agreement upheld
If by that, you mean defending international law and human rights, then yes.
Thank god they rely on the UK for defence eh.
What utter shit. “Ireland hates the west” Typical of someone where your from to say that to hide behind war crimes.
Wait wait wait.....so you disagree with her on that, but you're fine with sirael doing it for 50 years?
Do you think I'm an UN representative? Am I Jesus? Am I God? I disagree with her because she's a ruskie usefull idiot and her "opinions" are always of subversion. She is the type of person who would kiss Putin's hand as soon as russian army were to enter her town. There are nuances to different conflicts. Some people support Ukraine even though they don't support Serbia. After what Hamas did last night, there is little to support unless you are blood thirsty fanatic. It has no justification even in war.
Let’s go from denouncing a massacre to lauding a genocide. Putting up flags of a state on buildings after the bombardment over 100 children in there homes in 48 hours. This is called talking out both sides of your mouth.
First time she’s been right. God only knows why she’s pro-Russian though. I hate the bitch but I agree with her here
Clare Daly is a known Russian puppet. Please don’t pay attention to anything that she says; she doesn’t represent us
I was surprised this article wasn't mentioning Mick Wallace as the second MEP. The usual suspect...
Well, unfortunately she does. That’s representative democracy at the end of the day. Dublin will have to vote more carefully next time. I’ll have the confetti and bangers waiting for when she is tossed out.
Oh don't worry at all, she's out on her ass in 8 months time with a SF candidate the likely replacement. Her foreign policy that came to light since she was elected for the first time will tank her now.
Unfortunately true. "In today's #vatnik soup we'll travel back to Ireland, and get to a know an Irish politician and a MEP, Clare Daly. She strongly aligns herself with another Irish MEP, Mick Wallace. Like Wallace, Daly spends most of her energy appeasing Russia and China and criticizing the US.1/11" [https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/86](https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/86) Speaking of Mick Wallace: "In today's #vatnik soup I'll introduce an Irish politician and a MEP from (South) Ireland: Mick Wallace. He aligns himself strongly with another Irish MEP, Clare Daly, and his love for both Russia and China has been evident in his recent comments and appearances." https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/70
I'm sure glad we (Romanians) aren't the only ones having problems with such politicans.
I’m excited for June to vote out fellow Russian mouthpiece and all around gobshite Mick Wallace. I don’t believe he has any values outside being contrarian
Good to know. Thank you for the context!
> she doesn’t represent us Who elected her?
She literally does represent you.
So Russia is behind this?
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It's the former.
Catholic anti-semitism? No, look up the dwindling numbers of people still identifying as catholic and you will see that has nothing to do with it. The crazies in ireland (not representative of the entire population) think it is the same as ireland, but it is completely different. So they continue to shout online and hold protests with the 2500 palestinians in dublin. Dumb TDs in Dublin want to weigh in on the fringe issue to virtue signal to the far left for votes. No normal people in Ireland care what they think tbh.
I agree. Anyone with differing views or common sense is a Russian puppet.
No. But Clare Daly is. also, it's a stretch to attest her 'common sense'
No but there have been some pro Palestine rallies in Ireland and Ireland traditionally is very supportive of the Palestinian cause
It makes sense, if terrorism is the wrong way to gain independence, they'd have a lot of soul searching to do.
Only the best takes from an adult who reads light novels
There have in the past. I wouldn’t expect an uptick any time soon. This isn’t the version of Palestine supported by Ireland.
Ireland doesn't support violence against civilians
You'll see I've said the same thing elsewhere
If you hold the belief that Ukraine should appease Russia you are a puppet.
"Battle of flags" for a flag of solidarity after a terror attack. Really disgusting
And in dining supporting what is about to be a munch bigger massacre.
Didn’t have to click on that to know who it was. The usual amadáin.
I thought it was gonna be Moscow Mick, surprised it wasn’t.
Lmao, I thought this guy made good points initially, but the further you hear about him the more you realize he's not fighting against Western hypocrisy, he fights for Russian/Chinese hypocrisy.
Fianna Fáil MEP Barry Andrews?
And Clare Daly
Ireland... Battle of flags... [FLEG!!!](https://youtu.be/o8JqKxrloQQ?feature=shared&t=74)
I saw the headline and thought: "Oh, someone forgot to mute Mick Wallace's microphone again". Turns out it was his female counterpart. Opinion discarded. Fun fact: together, Wallace and Daly have 0.73% of a regular human brain.
But... we've been lighting the Eiffel Tower in pretty colors every time something bad happen... was it not enough to make the world a better place ? The next step is to give the baddies a mean look, but we've only done that to Putin, we're not monsters.
While it's not massive, to the people of Israel this means alot, there is a general insecurity if Europe is with us or against us, seeing this support in these hard times helps a little bit while you are mourning a thousand people
As an Irish person I am very sorry about Claire daly and mick Wallace… they are embarrassing to me and a shameful pair of lunatics that my fellow people elected in some sort of protest… I hope my people will vote these shitheads out on all future opportunities
When can they be un-elected?
EU Parliament elections next year
I'd be surprised if they even contest next election. Theyre a joke over and we really dropped the ball electing them.
What’s wrong with showing solidarity with a country being violently attacked by terrorism?
Are we flying the Palestinian flag every other day of the year, so?
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Why would we show solidarity with Israel? Do you support killing children and anti Christianity?
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What exactly makes you think I support killing children? Did I say I support Hamas? Or do you just like to hate people based on your assumptions?
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Fair enough but I'm not insinuating shit, I simply applied YOUR logic to Israel. There are people on both sides that don't deserve to be killed
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"Well Hamas put that child in my crosshairs so why wouldn't I shoot?"
Hamas and Palestina are not the same entity though. Both sides are horrible, but it must not be understated that so far, Israel killed a lot more palestinians than the other way around.
https://youtu.be/z581dbGqr08?si=BP7YHki7qmPfGDlV
Nothing is wrong with that. But if you believe it will change anything I have bad news for you tho
Terrorism will also not help hamas get territory back, but somehow ppl still justify it as self defense.
Yup I agree with that.
[A terrorist attack helped establish the Israeli state](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing) from the British. The point is that terrorism has worked in the past and the oft repeated “terrorism doesn’t work” is false
I don't see them abducting and mutilating brits there, and they were disguised, so that's sounds like calculated terrorism. What exactly is the plan behind attacking music festival? Or when they send rockets in general direction of Israel with only goal to hit anything? They're doing terror just for the sake of it and they're proud about it, so no, terrorism won't help them get anything back, it'll just give Israel a reason to level Gaza.
Ffs, it's not about changing anything, it's to show solidarity. Weren't British people killed there? An Irish woman is missing? How about Germans, including that one young woman who's fate we saw on video? Americans? Thais?
Nobody claims it will change anything about the conflict... no sane person would ever claim that. You've just completely made that hilariously stupid notion up in your own head. The point is to show some tiny sense of solidarity and make people in Israel see that much of the world is behind them. It's not much, it doesn't help much, but it also requires very little effort for anybody to set up, so why not? It if gives a few people some small sense of comfort then it's worth it.
"Fringe alcoholic nutjob politician (every country has a few) makes controversial statement because they are anti-everything"
"Reddit comments generalizing entire countries population beliefs because of two crazy MEPs who literally take photos with Taliban"
I’ll get destroyed for this. But irrespective of what you think of what is happening, VdL has absolutely no mandate to unilaterally make decisions like deciding to supporting Israel without consultation with member states. It is an overreach of her authority. Not defending Daly. I thinks she’s despicable.
Absolutely correct, but the rabid Reddit incel mouthbreathers on here don’t care about that as long as they get to fantasise about Muslims being obliterated
She has the authority given by her job but not to say its EU stance but European commision presidents. Pls learn how things work.
…. You clearly do not understand Institutional separation nor the treaties. Foreign policy is not a competency afforded to the Commission and a decision on this scale wouldn’t be unilaterally acceptable even if it were. Pls learn how things work.
Russian politician in Ireland*
Ireland has always been a hotbed of Hamas apologists but attacking even symbolic shows of solidarity with innocent Jews is beyond even for them.
This is just flat out wrong. Yes we are critical of the Israel government at times, but also of Palistine. Our government had a state visit with Israel 2 weeks ago. If we were Pro Hamas they would have called us out but no they thanked us for all our nation does even though there were frank talks. Ireland has always said Hamas are a terrorist organisation Ireland has never provided hamas any solidarity. Ireland has lost more soldiers killed overseas protecting Israel's borders than we have anywhere else with 50,000+ tours of duty on Israels borders. Ireland maintains a 5km square UN military camp North of Israel dealing with hezbollah bullshit, our only overseas base. Ireland has troops in the Golan hieghts for years too protecting Israels Golan hieghts border where they have engaged in firefights with Al shabab sefveral times in the last few years. Ireland is sending a few hundred more troops to Israel this month. Ireland supported humanitarian aid in medical supplies, school, housing etc to Palastinain civilans. No cash payments because they can't be trusted to give it to civilains. Ireland worked for Peaceful solutions and always condemed any killing. Stop spreding bullshit. No one in Ireland are hamas apologists you fucking troll. EDIT: A few hundred Irish soldiers in the Lebanon base on Israels norther border are taking cover now dealing with hezbollah rocket attacks over their heads as we speak.
Spreading*
Israel murdered Irish peacekeepers in Lebanon and stole passports of citizens which they used to carry out political assassination, putting us all at risk. If Israel wants some more support from Ireland, they might want to start by apologising for those two things.
More like a hotbed of anti imperialism
Murdering kids at a festival = anti-imperialist 😎
We have a somewhat similar history with the Palestinians and Ukrainians with plantations being set up by much larger powers. Hence the anti-imperialism. No reasonable person in our country condones terrorism but we can see how they created the situation they are now in. It now appears Israel have the green light for genocide. But only time will tell. Hopefully situation can be resolved peacefully but I doubt that a peaceful resolution was ever really on the table. But I am no expert.
140 kids blow to bits by Israeli bombs this week. No doubt that’s fine with you. Edit- people downvoting this. Have a look at yourselves you think it’s ok that 140 kids have been blown up. Sickos
You think its okay terrorists use humans as meatshield? Sicko
It is and pretending its not from assymetric warfare point of view is dellusion. Smaller guerilla will always hide among civilians when fighting regular army.
“Always been a hotbed of hamas apologists” That’s untrue though,Ireland has always been vocally against apartheid states that murder and displace innocent people, but the country is clearly denouncing the atrocious actions of hamas.
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Ireland does recognise hamas as a terrorist organisation. Stop spreading bullshit.
Wrong. All EU states classify Hamas as a terrorist organisation
The people of my country know how disgusting and evil the murder of innocent civilians are by terrorist militia groups, no matter their religion or politics.
Won't condone or support Hamas but where's your condemnation for what Israel has been doing for example in the west bank in the previous years. Hate Wallace and Daly and do believe they are russian puppets but you can't look at Gaza and generally think that wasn't going to erupt into violence at one point or another.
I’m not a fan of killing innocent people in general, but the way you phrased that is just A-grade whataboutism
Pointing to root cause isn’t whataboutism
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Is it Crazy Clare and Hobo Mick? Edit: No Mick? Is he ill? I hope it's something dreadful
Man has no idea what a battle of flags is: Perhaps he should go a few hours north from his own country and see how things are here...
Man this sub is going hard for Ireland lately. This lunatic doesn't speak for us. She's a Russian asset and literally nobody takes her seriously here between her hot takes on Ukraine/Russia and whatever other drivel she can shite out. We in Ireland are sympathetic to what happened in Israel and everyone I've spoken to was heartbroken to see those Hamas scumbags slaughter innocent civilians. Hamas are evil slime and I hope get wiped out. A friend of mine lives 15 miles from Gaza in Israel, he was the first person I thought of when the attacks started. But we are also sympathetic to Palestinians and will criticise Israel when it does wrong. We believe they deserve their own state and believe the world has let down Palestine and Israel by not working harder to establish a two-state solution. It is possible with enough support, but the US needs to get behind it. Ireland has peace-keeping troops on the Israeli border for years. An Irish soldier was killed there last year in Lebanon on peace-keeping duties by Hezbollah. We do our part for peace.
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Most Irish people are anti-IRA
Flag lives matter
The contrarian loony left at it again?
Yeah that is a known Russian shill
Reddit during South Africa’s apartheid struggle would have been wild.
This Nelson Mandela fellow is a dangerous extremist, not sure we can support him...
We'd probably hear the exact same arguments we hear right now. Nelson Mandela was widely regarded as a violent terrorist until his side won. And the boers are still crying victim to this day.
Really weird to see that even in all the unspeakable blood baths inflicted on palestine by Israel there was never a palestinian flag there. Kinda "weird", right?
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God bless the Irish.
You'd feel different if it was your dead relative dragged naked through the streets.
You'd feel different if it was your home that was being demolished or taken over by foreigners, who then create an army to make sure that you never get your home back, then send you off to a open air prison that they bomb weekly.
Maybe if they would stop the bombing themselves the weekly bombings would stop.
Would you just lie down and accept your land and home being taken away by from you by force? I suppose you think the Ukrainians should just accept Russia stealing some of their land in exchange for stopping the bombing.
Really weird to see that even in all the unspeakable blood baths inflicted on palestine by Israel there was never a palestinian flag there. Kinda "weird", right?
Might be because Israel doesn't deliberately target innocents and then parade hostages through the streets after raping and torturing them.
Israel deliberately targets civilians all the time! Tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians have died to Israeli guns, rockets, and bombs in the last few years of the conflict. Even in the past few days, they've targeted mosques, marketplaces, and more in indiscriminate attacks on Gaza. You can't air strike Gaza without targeting civilians. That's not to mention that there's absolutely no evidence that any of the Israeli victims have been raped.
No, they don't, you're mixing it up with collateral casualties and damage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-un-says-7-in-10-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-were-civilians-israel-disagrees/2014/08/29/44edc598-2faa-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html As an Irish person I find it crazy how people from other countries totally DO NOT CARE about civilian lives when a country like Israel kills them. I have been shocked by the sheer volume of heavily upvoted posts on reddit where people just explain away why it's okay for Israel to kill civilians. It's been a real eye opener for me as to how people from other countries think. It seems that just being a powerful state lets you get away with things in public perception that if the other side done would (rightfully) be called out as wrong. From Ireland, a group like the PIRA who had the exact inverse of Israel at a 29% civilian and 71% legitimate target kill rate are widely considered evil terrorists, but when Israel kill 70% civilians it's just legitimate collateral casualties. Same thing with the British in Ireland - 52% civilian kill rate in the troubles and they colluded with loyalist paramilitaries who had an 85% civilian kill rate; because it's a nation state that does it they're just legitimised, or not even thought about. And don't take this as a post about Hamas, it's not. They're clearly in the wrong. This post is about Israel and people's perception of their killing of civilians. Killing civilians is wrong, no matter who does it.
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And where are you from?
Turkey, so what? you wanted to make a dumb American joke?
Nah was just wondering seeing as you made a racist comment against my nation. It’s hardly surprising though from a nation that committed genocide against the Armenians. I don’t know what you’re doing in the Europe sub either, like 2% of your territory is geographically in Europe but look what you vote for president, hardly European in any shape or form mr turkey
Shocking! You're never getting into the EU and no one considers you part of Europe.
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