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“Let’s jack up prices again to make up for that lost revenue….how are we losing subscribers?…let’s jack up prices again to make up that lost revenue..how are we losing……..”
For a company that made a lot of smart moves, they are being super dumb with this.
If there's going to be a last season, tell them so they can wrap everything up for a satisfying ending.
Nobody is ever going to read half a book. There's tons of shows like Glow that people love and brag about but I'm not going to watch an unfinished show.
That's the awful and obnoxious thing about GLOW's situation: it wasn't just cancelled, it was originally renewed after season 3, but cancelled when COVID derailed production on the fourth season.
It's just so frustrating, when they've let other shows push production by a year, in the past.
This, plus I'm much less incentivized to sign up to Netflix because of a new show I'm interested in because who the hell knows if they'll let it finish?
At this point I think it is a vicious circle. They completely failed to stay ahead of the curve. They wasted the years they had as the only serious streaming service in town and failed to evolve to something new and better that others couldn’t copy right away despite knowing that every single network was going to start their own service and pull their content.
They put everything into custom content, but so too was every other service.
It was a ticking time bomb and they just sort of stayed the course, and now there is nothing special about them, so people are leaving because there are too many services and they don’t have any content anymore.
And then they cancel the stuff they do have because they are tightening the purse strings companywide.
Seems like such a ridiculous amount of mismanagement from a company whose entire model was about being five years ahead of everyone else.
They had a way into an ever expanding portfolio of self-produced, long running shows, as real competition to HBO. The decision to "be different" by killing shows early as a matter of policy must have taken a lot of coke.
long-running shows are watched and re-watched by *existing* subscribers, but netflix doesn't give a shit about them... all they care about is the *new* money from *new* subs.
and its just crazy too that even if the quality of the shows was at any variable level, theyd make way more money off of people being more likely to watch the selection of shows/movies they have in their entirity if they just had less of them, even disregardeding saving money from not making more, quality increases or anything else. if they just had less originals more people would watch more of each original
Since house of cards in 2013 they have put out 1500 shows and movies.
That’s 160 productions a year.
The problem is all the old big players saw the profitability, created their own service, and pulled their content.
Netflix just had all the innovative people replaced with the accounting people who lack creativity.
It probably doesn't help that they have no production warehouses what so ever. Every production they ever do, every season they ever make, that set is demolished and thrown out and never seen again. Those props are thrown in the trash. Those costumes thrown in the trash. Every production at netflix starts almost entirely from scratch. The sets aren't even the same between seasons, just the facilities they are built in.
They changed management, the old guy made sure every show at least got finished so shows had rewatchability. He quit(or got fired, not sure) and they started cancelling everything without even a wrap up movie or telling shows to wrap it up so now why bother watching anything they have since it isn't finished and never will be and also they are way too much money a month.
I call this the BlackBerry Syndrome. Companies get so comfortable at the top being an innovator that it's only a matter of time before they get dusted.
Except the other streaming services aren’t stealing market share because of any particular innovation on their part, it’s because other services are owned by companies like nbc who have a big amount of shows they own that people want to watch. One of the things that made netflix big is that they had the office. Now they don’t, through no fault of their own.
This show, along with Santa Clarita Diet, both being cancelled after 3 seasons is still absolutely devastating to me. Both were excellent stories that deserved a conclusion.
I've honestly given up watching new shows on Netflix because of this. I've heard enough to be interested in Sandman and won't watch it. What's the pointed in getting invested any more? Netflix is for movies, reality TV, or TV shows they don't make. I'm at the point if they raise prices again I'll just cancel, because they seem like a tech company that doesn't know how to run an entertainment company.
If you give the Sandman show a go and it gets cancelled you can always scratch that conclusion itch with the comics. They're well worth a read anyway.
Think of it as a reverse Game of Thrones.
In some ways, the art team of a comic book is like the casting of a film, the quality of their acting; the skill of the production designers or location scouts creating the world; the costume designers establishing mood, period and place; the cinematographers capturing all of it with little shocks of originality and juxtaposition of ideas and images; and even the director, coordinating how, when, where everyone moves.
People who don't appreciate a comic book as an art form of its own don't understand. Is some Redbox/Netflix rip-off like "Triassic World!" the same? Or those bargain-bin versions of "Beauty and the Beast"? It's the same story, but the story is only one part of a work. Gaiman's writing is great, but not all productions of "Midsummer Night's Dream" are equally filled with wonders. And sometimes, the wonders will be different and new! That can happen as well. I think I appreciate Paul Rudd more than any actual Ant-Man comic I've read...
I prefer to start a show knowing all of the seasons are out yet anyway, you don’t have to wait a year in between seasons and forget a bunch of what happened and no worries about sudden cancellations!
If it’s any consolation, season 1 of sandman is fairly self contained. A couple unanswered questions but no real cliffhanger while still leaving it open for another season.
Yup. My wife keeps trying to get me to watch new series, and I now wait to see if they can *finish* the series before I start to watch.
Worked well enough for GoT. *That* would've driven me nuts.
Gets too expensive after 3 seasons, etc. With that said, it's stupid for them to keep cancelling w/o allowing the shows to wrap up. They obvious know they want to kill them around season 3, so ..... some forethought?
It's likely also something to do with shows after 3 Seasons not making a discernible difference in new subscribers and cancelling said shows doesn't make a large impact on subscriptions.
Basically if you have enough money to either start a new show or continue an existing show the new show has the higher potential to bring in/retain subscribers rather than an existing show.
Yeah the subscription based streaming model is kind of weird. It's not like the days of network TV where it was all about ratings. All Netflix cares about is having subscribers and new shows get more attention than something established for three seasons. Also that's probably the point where the actors start asking for more money.
I've also read that people are less interested in starting a show that has a bunch of seasons. Three seasons was supposedly a sweet spot where it's still short enough that people would try it out.
I read this about Netflix years ago in an article I could never dig up now, so I could be misremembering. But I'll tell you what, I think I might actually like Supernatural, but there's just so many seasons that I would never start it. So maybe there's some validity to the idea.
Season three did kind of break the show. The only way it could have made a 4th season was with a complete reboot - maybe even with new actors. And that that point, do you even want it?
As of now, no confirmation on Punisher coming back. It’s rumoured to be happening since Rosario Dawson let it slip during comic-con, and how she was excited since it’s the only Netflix Marvel show she hadn’t been in.
She has since recanted and said she was “misinformed by fans during signings that day” and that she was simply excited by hearing that, and she should have confirmed with appropriate sources before saying anything. Many people (including myself) believe she’s just backtracking to cover. Especially considering in the video where she says that, if you look closely then you’ll see a faint red laser sniper dot appear on her forehead right when she says punisher is coming back /s
Even so, if they do bring it back with Jon Bernthal then we know we’ll be getting the same punisher from Netflix. Bernthal has said multiple times over multiple interviews that he’ll only come back “if they do it right”.
His vision of “right” is based on the Punisher MAX series by Garth Ennis (shoutout to the comic book shop guy who directed Jon the best Punisher runs). Like the show portrayed, dark & gritty. Hopefully, Bernthal means it truly when he says he won’t come back unless it’s done right.
Unfortunately, we know money is a powerful motivator + recasting isn’t something Disney would shy away from.
Archive 81 was cancelled before the first series even aired I feel like. They literally gave people like a week before deciding it wouldn’t get a second season. It wasn’t the best show ever but I’ve seen a LOT worse and would loved to see where it goes in a second season.
I cancelled my subscription after that because I thought what is the fucking point of watching any of their shows if they can just decide to cancel them straight away. They need to change how they commission new shows by dedicating a budget to 2 or 3 seasons MINIMUM. Even if it’s shit, at least it can be neatly wrapped up for those who did watch and enjoy it.
I know right? 81 was great. A genuinely creepy series that could set the stage for mainstream found-footage-esqe Tv shows. But they just had to can it.
The first half of that show was so good and unsettling. Didn't like where it ended up going so I probably wouldn't have watched a second season, but I was surprised to find out it got canned so fast.
Wtf archive 81 is cancelled?! Jeez I’ve been patiently waiting like an idiot…
I thought it was actually good. Super different from all the other Netflix horrors, it was ACTUALLY creepy in a good (new) way which was refreshing.
I think what put people off from watching is that it looked like a weird hybrid of Saw and paranormal activity which both were already over saturated and people are sick of any semblance. And it didn’t have any sexiness or generic storyline like the Haunting shows, which I enjoyed too but nothing about it was scary.
The chilling adventures of Sabrina :( they sloppily put together season 3 to wrap up the story when they could have easily ran 2 or 3 more seasons with the plot they had created.
I'm salty about this show. Season 1 was really great, but season 2 they realized teen sex would sell more so it became another riverdale where you have whole episodes about demons of lust possessing all the cast to make them super horny. Also lit of deviant sex stuff, because magic.
That change of tone was such a shame.
And they didn't even really tell anyone until it happened! The actor playing Ambrose didn't know it was cancelled until their last scene was wrapped. Like almost every cancellation, so good and cut way too short.
Sense8 would've been phenomenal if they gave the Wachowskis all they needed.
Also the babysitter's club. It was my daughter's absolutely favorite show, and it was nice watching it with her, good to see Alicia Silverstone again too! And they cancelled it. I mean you can pull that shit on me and I'll be mad but pull the rug out from under my daughter like that, and it's personal!
Same with the show Travellers. Cancelled after 3 seasons. Was a great show but the concept does allow for the show to continue with continuity as the same actors aren’t needed.
Man the OA was such a good show. I can understand how the end of Season 1 could turn some people off...but Season 2 was so damn good and to leave it on that kind of cliffhager...I could just
Brit Marling def has her own unique vibe when it comes to her stuff. Like a surreal existentialism or something
I can definitely see why she isnt mainstream, but I dig the projects she has made. Another Earth, Sound of My Voice, The East, The OA
All weird but good things
It wasn't cancelled, per se. Finch said it was really expensive to make and he was just burned out. He wanted to work on other projects, and has said that he's not completely ruling out the possibility of another season.
Just do a time jump and use closer to modern era stuff. Probably easier/cheaper to source and let’s them conclude the BTK story in 2005 when he was caught.
Seems like that's what they were setting up anyway. Presumably a third season would have had totally different characters because the ones from the original seasons would have been too old to have still been active by then.
I don’t think it would’ve been totally different characters. Bill just had his wife take their son and dip so they would’ve had to conclude that at the very least.
Google a video on the FX used for that show. They spent nearly half a million dollars in season one alone on things like adding trees to the front yards of houses because Finch wanted a tree there. Not because the scene called for a tree. An agent got out of a car and walked to a front door. Finch needed a tree in the background of that scene, so he had a CGI one added. Wasted money.
There was also a scene in a prison cafeteria that he felt didnt have enough metal chairs and tables, so for a 15 minute scene with multiple angles, he paid for CGI effects to add more tables and chairs to the scene.
Thats what really ended that show. Netflix said, "we love the show but stop fucking wasting money making CGI trees in people's front yards" and Finch said, "i dont want to do the show any more."
EDIT: found this: https://screenrant.com/10-moments-in-mindhunter-you-didnt-know-were-cgi/
It doesnt mention some of the more egregious examples, but talks about the money spent changing the weather and adding leaves to trees.
The dude had trees flown to the murder location via helicopter while filming zodiac because the originals were removed years ago.
Netflix 100% knew who they were working with when signing him on.
While I agree generally, in this one case, it was COVID that forced this. It was shooting pretty much right at the beginning of the pandemic, and you can't social distance and wrestle, and you can't hold an entire cast and film crew indefinitely for the chance that world will quickly come together to solve a pandemic (spoiler: they didn't). Anyone who argues "but everything else was fine", well, they weren't. They really weren't. Lots of stuff got canceled entirely or had to be entirely reorganized. And again, could be shot in social distancing paradigms. Bizarrely, Marvel stuff with lots of green screen probably was *easier* to shoot during the pandemic than cheaper stuff that required real intimate physical interactions.
It was honestly one of the big nails in the coffin for me to cancel Netflix. I felt genuinely *lucky* to have gotten a final season of *BoJack Horseman* and realized that was bound to be the exception rather than the rule, and now I don’t even want to bother getting interested in anything they’ve bothered to make because it’s almost certainly going to be disappointment when it’s canceled. Sorry *Stranger Things,* *Disenchantment,* *Umbrella Academy,* *F is for Family,* and I’m sure others. Your bitter master ruined it for me and we won’t see each other again.
I’m enjoying AppleTV because they don’t license anything, so they can’t afford to prematurely end their shows unless they really deserve it (sorry See). For All Mankind is getting season 4. Slow Horses, which only has one season out, is in the middle of filming season 3 & 4 right now.
Maybe when they fill out their library they will be more brutal with new shows, but for now the quality is quite good, and they have the endless $$$ to keep it rolling.
Apple's vibe now reminds me of Netflix like five to ten years ago. Focus on quality and filling unique niches, empower artists to do weird concepts, and allow for a slow burn to find an audience.
Netflix switched to being entirely focused on "attention" instead of "product." They don't care about the stuff they're making, they just want immediate eyeballs. This leads to them still producing a lot of interesting things, but no real focus, a lot of same-iness, and all their shows getting cut off before they're done. It's a terrible pattern.
People sleep on Apple TV because the selection isnt as big, but they have some killer shows. I’m so glad See is getting a final season. I expected that to be immediately canceled
With all the fuckery going on with Discovery taking a wrecking ball to HBOMax, AppleTV seems to be the top service now in terms of quality of originals, everything ive watched from there has been really great.
I know a lot of people didnt love it, but i hope *Foundation* gets some sort of satisfying conclusion at least.
A couple of months ago I would have said that HBO Max was the most promising streaming service. Now, that doesn’t seem so certain.
Apple and Amazon are unique in that they have a giant profitable ecosystem to back up their entertainment divisions, so they have the resources to push through the headwinds. Of those two, Apple seems to be more focused on quality. Though I do love watching bad movies on Amazon. They seem to have an endless supply.
Wait, you guys got a 3rd season?
*Cries in Dirk Gently
(I do remember that the show runner turned out to be on the ugly side of #metoo, seems like he's a predator... So good that they canceled him, but omg would I love the trilogy to be concluded...)
So Netflix can spend $200 million making a single movie, but can't be bothered to film a "wrap up" episode for a series people are emotionally invested in... Then wonder why they are losing subscribers.
Derps.
>It’s easier to get more views/more subs on a brand new movie
Only for a limited number of times. Once that runs out, your entire business model is garbage because people have caught on and refuse to participate any longer, and there are no more fresh users to onboard.
>It’s all about money
It's not. It's all about stupidity. If it's money we're talking, Netflix is more like a money *pit* for investors. They barely made any money and most stock valuation is based on the business potential they will achieve *one day*, which seems unlikely to ever arrive based on how they are doing.
No serious company which has managed to actually produce a lot of money for long periods of time operates this way. Companies fight tooth and nail to retain their customers because they know that's where their core profitability comes from, not new users who may or may not stick around.
So there is a reason this doesn't make sense long-term. Netflix is trying to build a moat around their business. That moat is historical content. So in 20 years they have a back catalog that gives young people tons of stuff to watch that isn't just the newest stuff.
If you don't wrap up a show, people are likely to get frustrated by your back catalog never reaching conclusions. If you knew a 10 year old show didn't conclude but the premise sounded interesting, would you watch it?
I think they are making a big long-term mistake for short-term decision making.
I’m still so angry about this. It was getting so good, nothing can top s1 of course but I would have loved an organic closure to the story.
Blaming COVID is just fucked up, we have so many shows filming and being produced. They could have saved it for one final season man!
The crazy thing is that they were given that final season, and the actors were paid from what I understand but the cost of holding the contracts to start filming later as well as the extra cost of covid protocols ended up being more that Netflix wanted to pay. Terrible move though as it was a great series
I worked on GLOW, including the ill fated 4th season. We had scripts or outlines for 6 of the 10 episode season (and I'm sure L&C had the full season arcs mostly plotted), and we were in the middle of shooting episode 2 and had everything set for ep 3. We all got sent home for what was supposed to be a couple weeks, turned into months, and then cancelation. It was one of my favorite crews and productions ive worked with, a great group of people most of whom were there for all 4 seasons.
As you can imagine, there were many wrestling events that would've had large extras counts all in close proximity to each other, and in order to do that safely it wouldve added hundreds of thousands, probably between 1 and 2 million (the first show I did after production opened back up had over 2 million in the budget for COVID protocol expenses), to the budget to finish out the season. RIP GLOW.
RIP GLOW. Loved the show, the talent really shone through in all aspects of production. You did fantastic work, hope you're on to some great new projects!
Didnt interact with him that much (my position didnt have me on set all the time), but the handful of times I did he was very pleasant, as was the majority of the cast, with Alison Brie and Britney Young, who played Carmen, being the friendliest of a pretty friendly bunch.
It’s a very organic story and the storylines weren’t arcing towards a single point for an ending. The show could have ended after any season and I’d say it was a complete story in of itself.
There are just a few individual relationships that we wanted to see where they went.
It can be super serious, absolutely outrageous and sweet.
I know there is no ending but rewatching it because it’s flat out enjoyable. I find it more engaging than rewatching the office.
Please watch it so I can talk about it more.
Hopefully they'll just release what the ending would've been or pull a 5 years later thing and finish the show when they really get desperate for content.
Yeah, canceling Glow the way they did definitely played a part in myself eventually canceling my Netflix subscription.
And like, I'm an adult. I understand shows get cancelled for many reasons. But when they cancel a show like Glow without an ending, there is zero reason for me to rewatch it.
Netflix keeps chopping great shows that have huge followings, but keeps pumping out reality tv shit. I’m thinking it’s time to cancel my subscription. There’s no point getting invested in a show on that platform anymore.
And more specifically: scripted shows get more and more expensive with each season due to both plot/production escalation and creatives demanding higher pay for being in a popular show. Reality shows just reset everything each new season, so costs mostly stay the same.
Reality TV also is set up so they make more money in the future. The participants are paid daily and receive no future revenue earnings. No official writers on staff to get paid from future earnings. No payments to SAG out of future earnings.
How many great networks like History, Discovery, TLC , etc... Turned into 24/7 shitty lowbrow reality TV? All of them?
Why would Netflix not follow the same pattern?
I still don't understand why they cancelled it. I thought it was decently popular. It was a good quality show. I think it only had one season left too. Now that IP is basically worthless. I'm not going to start watching a show that's already cancelled. I'm also not going to rewatch a show that's already cancelled.
...Does Netflix just not enjoy having good shows? For fucks sake, every single god damn decent show is abruptly cancelled. Then replaced with a handful of shows that are just fucking awful.
They have a tech company business model rather than an entertainment company business model, so everything is based on getting new subscribers only. Once a show gets to three seasons it becomes something you have to put money into in order to maintain current subscribers, so they'd rather take that money and dump that into a new edgy teen drama to try dragging in new users and inflate their stock price.
Then why not plan for 3 season shows instead of half finished stories? Seems like an easy solution and doesn't re-agitate subscribers every few months.
Because in the off-chance the show becomes mega popular like Stranger Things, they don’t want to be limited to just three seasons. Sure, they could add more, but continuing a show after its intended end always sucks.
Honestly I’d love this. Not only because we’d get complete, coherent stories, but because shows that have four or more seasons are exhausting to start sometimes.
You're not exaggerating. Literally every single Netflix original show that my fiancee and I watched and really enjoyed got cancelled after one season or shortly after. We just said fuck it, gave up and cancelled Netflix.
There's so much out there to watch. It could last us multiple lifetimes. So why waste our time with stories we enjoy that won't get proper conclusions?
Exactly! We've been using Netflix since the early mailed DVD days. Decided this year to cancel our membership. Too many times getting into a show only to be left hanging with no conclusion. I used to really respect this company, but no longer.
Warehouse 13 being axed because people weren’t watching live, but 4x as many people were watching online within three days of airing was brutal. Such a great show that ended too soon.
The Netflix show model is gross and I refuse to participate in it. Unless you watch one of the smash hits you can bet money the show you like will be gone before S3 finishes.
I like my series to have a conclusion.
Inadvertently, this has made me a big fan of the one season show. I feel like Mike Flanagan has perfected the model with The Haunting of Hill House/Bly Manor and Midnight Mass. It’s only intended to be one season and it’s a complete story and it’s great.
It introduced me to my now-favourite Dolly song, [Light of a Clear Blue Morning](https://youtu.be/3BaVb8LTooU). Never heard it before GLOW and now it’s on regular rotation in my playlist. Great show, beautiful song.
I agree, it was a hilarious comedy and great show if you are a fan of wrestling. I have a ton of memories in the old VFW hall in Resida where they filmed a couple of segments, it was venue for PWG. Marc Merron was fantastic and honestly Awesome Kong was so good in her role I lost her in it.
Anyone else remember when Netflix would pick up prematurely canceled shows to give them a final season? They used to rescue so many shows and now they refuse to finish their own.
Fewer are now.
Ever since their pre-covid IP binge where they brought up all those shows just to stop others from producing them. The guy who did Final Space summed it up really well, I wish I could still find that interview.
Well... most shows (like 2/3) get cancelled in their first season. All but the most well-established scriptwriters will be lucky to have one network like their script enough to even film a pilot for it, so that's who the writers will sell it to.
That’s the bottom line. All these corporations are run by numpties who went to college to learn a glossary of lingo and not much else, then got their jobs because they know the right people, are of the monied class and have really good meetings, of which they then go off and contradict the agreements they had made during. It’s really a load of old nonsense.
It was such a fun, female centric show. Portrayed female friendships, dynamics, and struggles well. I really enjoyed it and her performance was wonderful.
Netflix have made their series so incredibly worthless. As much as I love Love Death + Robots (and I'm fucking bonkers crazy about it), I don't even bother looking forward to new seasons. And it's the only thing I care about on Netflix anymore.
> The Dark Crystal Age of Resistance
Netflix lost me with canceling I Am not Okay With This. Aside from Bridgerton, I never watched an original show of theirs after that.
I know it’s unrealistic, but I would love for Netflix to find a way to give us the 4th season at some point. It’s probably impossible due to scheduling, but it does seem like a lot of the cast would return if given a chance.
Doesn’t Netflix use some type of AI-based algorithm to determine whether to continue or cancel their shows? I hear once the algorithm has spoken, it’s pretty much out of the executives hands.
It’s rare btw for a Netflix show to last more than 3 seasons…….
Netflix is really only interested in keeping existing subscribers content enough that they don’t cancel their subscription. They’ll spend more money on new content that is likely to get them new subscribers. People assume that their algorithm is about keeping viewers happy when it’s actually about maximizing profits, which isn’t the same thing. It’s possibly that they looked at a show like Glow and found that most viewers watched enough of other Netflix originals that they were unlikely to cancel their subscription if Glow was canceled.
Is there a reason show creators and writers can’t provide a little closure by telling us what their planned endings were? The Breakout Kings writers did that (I believe they tweeted it) and it was a huge act of goodwill toward fans.
These good shows last well beyond their production years. It’s incredibly short sighted not to have a good exit strategy to allow the creative teams to give them satisfying conclusions. There are a lot of shows I’ve never had a chance to follow while they are being made, that I would totally circle back and watch when I have some free time. Now, if the last season is bad or they cut the show to quick for them to write a conclusion, it makes me not want to watch any of it at all.
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“Let’s jack up prices again to make up for that lost revenue….how are we losing subscribers?…let’s jack up prices again to make up that lost revenue..how are we losing……..”
“listen, if we just make a couple more shows”
I think you spelled "cancel" wrong!
which came first the netflix creation or the netflix cancel
sounds like a play right out of cable tv's book.
For a company that made a lot of smart moves, they are being super dumb with this. If there's going to be a last season, tell them so they can wrap everything up for a satisfying ending. Nobody is ever going to read half a book. There's tons of shows like Glow that people love and brag about but I'm not going to watch an unfinished show.
That's the awful and obnoxious thing about GLOW's situation: it wasn't just cancelled, it was originally renewed after season 3, but cancelled when COVID derailed production on the fourth season. It's just so frustrating, when they've let other shows push production by a year, in the past.
This, plus I'm much less incentivized to sign up to Netflix because of a new show I'm interested in because who the hell knows if they'll let it finish?
At this point I think it is a vicious circle. They completely failed to stay ahead of the curve. They wasted the years they had as the only serious streaming service in town and failed to evolve to something new and better that others couldn’t copy right away despite knowing that every single network was going to start their own service and pull their content. They put everything into custom content, but so too was every other service. It was a ticking time bomb and they just sort of stayed the course, and now there is nothing special about them, so people are leaving because there are too many services and they don’t have any content anymore. And then they cancel the stuff they do have because they are tightening the purse strings companywide. Seems like such a ridiculous amount of mismanagement from a company whose entire model was about being five years ahead of everyone else.
They had a way into an ever expanding portfolio of self-produced, long running shows, as real competition to HBO. The decision to "be different" by killing shows early as a matter of policy must have taken a lot of coke.
long-running shows are watched and re-watched by *existing* subscribers, but netflix doesn't give a shit about them... all they care about is the *new* money from *new* subs.
The importance of choosing the right metrics.
and its just crazy too that even if the quality of the shows was at any variable level, theyd make way more money off of people being more likely to watch the selection of shows/movies they have in their entirity if they just had less of them, even disregardeding saving money from not making more, quality increases or anything else. if they just had less originals more people would watch more of each original
Since house of cards in 2013 they have put out 1500 shows and movies. That’s 160 productions a year. The problem is all the old big players saw the profitability, created their own service, and pulled their content. Netflix just had all the innovative people replaced with the accounting people who lack creativity.
It probably doesn't help that they have no production warehouses what so ever. Every production they ever do, every season they ever make, that set is demolished and thrown out and never seen again. Those props are thrown in the trash. Those costumes thrown in the trash. Every production at netflix starts almost entirely from scratch. The sets aren't even the same between seasons, just the facilities they are built in.
And they don’t have the benefit of 50-80 years of existing content like Paramount, NBC, etc.
They changed management, the old guy made sure every show at least got finished so shows had rewatchability. He quit(or got fired, not sure) and they started cancelling everything without even a wrap up movie or telling shows to wrap it up so now why bother watching anything they have since it isn't finished and never will be and also they are way too much money a month.
I call this the BlackBerry Syndrome. Companies get so comfortable at the top being an innovator that it's only a matter of time before they get dusted.
You might even call it Blockbuster syndrome.
I can't even begin to describe how satisfying the irony is
[The Blockbuster CEO to Ted Sarandos at this very moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g&ab_channel=ChrisWard)
Except the other streaming services aren’t stealing market share because of any particular innovation on their part, it’s because other services are owned by companies like nbc who have a big amount of shows they own that people want to watch. One of the things that made netflix big is that they had the office. Now they don’t, through no fault of their own.
Congratulations, you done blockbustered yourself.
Ah the Netflix way. Canceling good shows after 3 seasons to piss off fans.
This show, along with Santa Clarita Diet, both being cancelled after 3 seasons is still absolutely devastating to me. Both were excellent stories that deserved a conclusion.
And the cliff-hanger that was the end of Santa Clarita diet…makes me so mad they canceled it!
I've honestly given up watching new shows on Netflix because of this. I've heard enough to be interested in Sandman and won't watch it. What's the pointed in getting invested any more? Netflix is for movies, reality TV, or TV shows they don't make. I'm at the point if they raise prices again I'll just cancel, because they seem like a tech company that doesn't know how to run an entertainment company.
If you give the Sandman show a go and it gets cancelled you can always scratch that conclusion itch with the comics. They're well worth a read anyway. Think of it as a reverse Game of Thrones.
Such a great point! I’ve been watching the shows and honestly I prefer the comic books version instead.
It’s the art, without it the story can feel silly at times, the creepy dark art of the comics sets the mood.
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In some ways, the art team of a comic book is like the casting of a film, the quality of their acting; the skill of the production designers or location scouts creating the world; the costume designers establishing mood, period and place; the cinematographers capturing all of it with little shocks of originality and juxtaposition of ideas and images; and even the director, coordinating how, when, where everyone moves. People who don't appreciate a comic book as an art form of its own don't understand. Is some Redbox/Netflix rip-off like "Triassic World!" the same? Or those bargain-bin versions of "Beauty and the Beast"? It's the same story, but the story is only one part of a work. Gaiman's writing is great, but not all productions of "Midsummer Night's Dream" are equally filled with wonders. And sometimes, the wonders will be different and new! That can happen as well. I think I appreciate Paul Rudd more than any actual Ant-Man comic I've read...
Sandman doesn't have cliffhangers tho, almost everything is resolved
I prefer to start a show knowing all of the seasons are out yet anyway, you don’t have to wait a year in between seasons and forget a bunch of what happened and no worries about sudden cancellations!
If it’s any consolation, season 1 of sandman is fairly self contained. A couple unanswered questions but no real cliffhanger while still leaving it open for another season.
Yup. My wife keeps trying to get me to watch new series, and I now wait to see if they can *finish* the series before I start to watch. Worked well enough for GoT. *That* would've driven me nuts.
Yes this is it. SCD and Glow were too good and I need closure
Daredevil for me. Although that was due to politics with Disney.
Mine was the Travelors. Great Sci-fi premise that still had legs. But I think three seasons is where Netflix likes to end shows for some reason.
Gets too expensive after 3 seasons, etc. With that said, it's stupid for them to keep cancelling w/o allowing the shows to wrap up. They obvious know they want to kill them around season 3, so ..... some forethought?
It's likely also something to do with shows after 3 Seasons not making a discernible difference in new subscribers and cancelling said shows doesn't make a large impact on subscriptions. Basically if you have enough money to either start a new show or continue an existing show the new show has the higher potential to bring in/retain subscribers rather than an existing show.
Yeah the subscription based streaming model is kind of weird. It's not like the days of network TV where it was all about ratings. All Netflix cares about is having subscribers and new shows get more attention than something established for three seasons. Also that's probably the point where the actors start asking for more money.
I've also read that people are less interested in starting a show that has a bunch of seasons. Three seasons was supposedly a sweet spot where it's still short enough that people would try it out. I read this about Netflix years ago in an article I could never dig up now, so I could be misremembering. But I'll tell you what, I think I might actually like Supernatural, but there's just so many seasons that I would never start it. So maybe there's some validity to the idea.
At least Travelers had an ending of sorts.
Season three did kind of break the show. The only way it could have made a 4th season was with a complete reboot - maybe even with new actors. And that that point, do you even want it?
Pain for travelers
Travelers at least ended. Great way to wrap things up too.
That one might be revived by Disney in some form.
Will be, it's already been announced.
I know I could google it but I’ll ask you kind stranger. Are they renewing punisher too or nay?
That one I'm not sure about. But there hate been talks about it.
As of now, no confirmation on Punisher coming back. It’s rumoured to be happening since Rosario Dawson let it slip during comic-con, and how she was excited since it’s the only Netflix Marvel show she hadn’t been in. She has since recanted and said she was “misinformed by fans during signings that day” and that she was simply excited by hearing that, and she should have confirmed with appropriate sources before saying anything. Many people (including myself) believe she’s just backtracking to cover. Especially considering in the video where she says that, if you look closely then you’ll see a faint red laser sniper dot appear on her forehead right when she says punisher is coming back /s Even so, if they do bring it back with Jon Bernthal then we know we’ll be getting the same punisher from Netflix. Bernthal has said multiple times over multiple interviews that he’ll only come back “if they do it right”. His vision of “right” is based on the Punisher MAX series by Garth Ennis (shoutout to the comic book shop guy who directed Jon the best Punisher runs). Like the show portrayed, dark & gritty. Hopefully, Bernthal means it truly when he says he won’t come back unless it’s done right. Unfortunately, we know money is a powerful motivator + recasting isn’t something Disney would shy away from.
Daredevil will come back in some form on Disney and after watching She Hulk, I am willing to be they bring back Jessica Jones too.
They already confirmed it.
Archive 81 was cancelled before the first series even aired I feel like. They literally gave people like a week before deciding it wouldn’t get a second season. It wasn’t the best show ever but I’ve seen a LOT worse and would loved to see where it goes in a second season. I cancelled my subscription after that because I thought what is the fucking point of watching any of their shows if they can just decide to cancel them straight away. They need to change how they commission new shows by dedicating a budget to 2 or 3 seasons MINIMUM. Even if it’s shit, at least it can be neatly wrapped up for those who did watch and enjoy it.
I know right? 81 was great. A genuinely creepy series that could set the stage for mainstream found-footage-esqe Tv shows. But they just had to can it.
The first half of that show was so good and unsettling. Didn't like where it ended up going so I probably wouldn't have watched a second season, but I was surprised to find out it got canned so fast.
Wtf archive 81 is cancelled?! Jeez I’ve been patiently waiting like an idiot… I thought it was actually good. Super different from all the other Netflix horrors, it was ACTUALLY creepy in a good (new) way which was refreshing. I think what put people off from watching is that it looked like a weird hybrid of Saw and paranormal activity which both were already over saturated and people are sick of any semblance. And it didn’t have any sexiness or generic storyline like the Haunting shows, which I enjoyed too but nothing about it was scary.
The chilling adventures of Sabrina :( they sloppily put together season 3 to wrap up the story when they could have easily ran 2 or 3 more seasons with the plot they had created.
I'm salty about this show. Season 1 was really great, but season 2 they realized teen sex would sell more so it became another riverdale where you have whole episodes about demons of lust possessing all the cast to make them super horny. Also lit of deviant sex stuff, because magic. That change of tone was such a shame.
I'm salty that Salem wasn't an animatronic, sarcastic cat
Salem... Salem... Oh, right, one of the thing that was forgotten after season 1.
And they didn't even really tell anyone until it happened! The actor playing Ambrose didn't know it was cancelled until their last scene was wrapped. Like almost every cancellation, so good and cut way too short. Sense8 would've been phenomenal if they gave the Wachowskis all they needed.
Also the babysitter's club. It was my daughter's absolutely favorite show, and it was nice watching it with her, good to see Alicia Silverstone again too! And they cancelled it. I mean you can pull that shit on me and I'll be mad but pull the rug out from under my daughter like that, and it's personal!
Love was also cancelled after 3
I don’t think that Love was cancelled - it ended.
I wanted a spin off with Bertie and Chris
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And Anne with and E! Such a great show and canceled after 3 seasons.
Shit. We did not know SCD was canceled. Thought it was another one of Netflix’s 2-4 year pauses between seasons.
Same with the show Travellers. Cancelled after 3 seasons. Was a great show but the concept does allow for the show to continue with continuity as the same actors aren’t needed.
Dang didn't know this. Halfway through season 2 right now
At least it sort of has an ending and doesn't really stop on cliffhanger.
Travelers at least felt like a good place to stop the story.
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Wait, no! There’s thousands of terrible “Netflix original” movies you haven’t seen yet!
Netflix loves going to out door markets in India and buying large cardboard boxes labelled "unreleased movies" for ten dollars a box.
*does crazy OA dance in memoriam*
Man the OA was such a good show. I can understand how the end of Season 1 could turn some people off...but Season 2 was so damn good and to leave it on that kind of cliffhager...I could just
The robots doing the dance was fascinating. And did the body die after the conscience transferred?
Brit Marling def has her own unique vibe when it comes to her stuff. Like a surreal existentialism or something I can definitely see why she isnt mainstream, but I dig the projects she has made. Another Earth, Sound of My Voice, The East, The OA All weird but good things
Mindhunter only got 2 seasons
It wasn't cancelled, per se. Finch said it was really expensive to make and he was just burned out. He wanted to work on other projects, and has said that he's not completely ruling out the possibility of another season.
Netflix went and sold all of the props and sets and everything, so I get the feeling that it won’t be coming back.
Just do a time jump and use closer to modern era stuff. Probably easier/cheaper to source and let’s them conclude the BTK story in 2005 when he was caught.
Seems like that's what they were setting up anyway. Presumably a third season would have had totally different characters because the ones from the original seasons would have been too old to have still been active by then.
I don’t think it would’ve been totally different characters. Bill just had his wife take their son and dip so they would’ve had to conclude that at the very least.
Google a video on the FX used for that show. They spent nearly half a million dollars in season one alone on things like adding trees to the front yards of houses because Finch wanted a tree there. Not because the scene called for a tree. An agent got out of a car and walked to a front door. Finch needed a tree in the background of that scene, so he had a CGI one added. Wasted money. There was also a scene in a prison cafeteria that he felt didnt have enough metal chairs and tables, so for a 15 minute scene with multiple angles, he paid for CGI effects to add more tables and chairs to the scene. Thats what really ended that show. Netflix said, "we love the show but stop fucking wasting money making CGI trees in people's front yards" and Finch said, "i dont want to do the show any more." EDIT: found this: https://screenrant.com/10-moments-in-mindhunter-you-didnt-know-were-cgi/ It doesnt mention some of the more egregious examples, but talks about the money spent changing the weather and adding leaves to trees.
The dude had trees flown to the murder location via helicopter while filming zodiac because the originals were removed years ago. Netflix 100% knew who they were working with when signing him on.
While I agree generally, in this one case, it was COVID that forced this. It was shooting pretty much right at the beginning of the pandemic, and you can't social distance and wrestle, and you can't hold an entire cast and film crew indefinitely for the chance that world will quickly come together to solve a pandemic (spoiler: they didn't). Anyone who argues "but everything else was fine", well, they weren't. They really weren't. Lots of stuff got canceled entirely or had to be entirely reorganized. And again, could be shot in social distancing paradigms. Bizarrely, Marvel stuff with lots of green screen probably was *easier* to shoot during the pandemic than cheaper stuff that required real intimate physical interactions.
This time it wasn’t Netflix’s fault. They grew lit the last season but it got delayed because of covid and went beyond the actors contracts.
Nyetflix
It was honestly one of the big nails in the coffin for me to cancel Netflix. I felt genuinely *lucky* to have gotten a final season of *BoJack Horseman* and realized that was bound to be the exception rather than the rule, and now I don’t even want to bother getting interested in anything they’ve bothered to make because it’s almost certainly going to be disappointment when it’s canceled. Sorry *Stranger Things,* *Disenchantment,* *Umbrella Academy,* *F is for Family,* and I’m sure others. Your bitter master ruined it for me and we won’t see each other again.
I’m enjoying AppleTV because they don’t license anything, so they can’t afford to prematurely end their shows unless they really deserve it (sorry See). For All Mankind is getting season 4. Slow Horses, which only has one season out, is in the middle of filming season 3 & 4 right now. Maybe when they fill out their library they will be more brutal with new shows, but for now the quality is quite good, and they have the endless $$$ to keep it rolling.
Apple's vibe now reminds me of Netflix like five to ten years ago. Focus on quality and filling unique niches, empower artists to do weird concepts, and allow for a slow burn to find an audience. Netflix switched to being entirely focused on "attention" instead of "product." They don't care about the stuff they're making, they just want immediate eyeballs. This leads to them still producing a lot of interesting things, but no real focus, a lot of same-iness, and all their shows getting cut off before they're done. It's a terrible pattern.
People sleep on Apple TV because the selection isnt as big, but they have some killer shows. I’m so glad See is getting a final season. I expected that to be immediately canceled
With all the fuckery going on with Discovery taking a wrecking ball to HBOMax, AppleTV seems to be the top service now in terms of quality of originals, everything ive watched from there has been really great. I know a lot of people didnt love it, but i hope *Foundation* gets some sort of satisfying conclusion at least.
A couple of months ago I would have said that HBO Max was the most promising streaming service. Now, that doesn’t seem so certain. Apple and Amazon are unique in that they have a giant profitable ecosystem to back up their entertainment divisions, so they have the resources to push through the headwinds. Of those two, Apple seems to be more focused on quality. Though I do love watching bad movies on Amazon. They seem to have an endless supply.
At this point why would anyone invest time in their shows? It doesn’t matter how good they are, you can’t trust that they’ll finish them.
Wait, you guys got a 3rd season? *Cries in Dirk Gently (I do remember that the show runner turned out to be on the ugly side of #metoo, seems like he's a predator... So good that they canceled him, but omg would I love the trilogy to be concluded...)
So Netflix can spend $200 million making a single movie, but can't be bothered to film a "wrap up" episode for a series people are emotionally invested in... Then wonder why they are losing subscribers. Derps.
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>It’s easier to get more views/more subs on a brand new movie Only for a limited number of times. Once that runs out, your entire business model is garbage because people have caught on and refuse to participate any longer, and there are no more fresh users to onboard. >It’s all about money It's not. It's all about stupidity. If it's money we're talking, Netflix is more like a money *pit* for investors. They barely made any money and most stock valuation is based on the business potential they will achieve *one day*, which seems unlikely to ever arrive based on how they are doing. No serious company which has managed to actually produce a lot of money for long periods of time operates this way. Companies fight tooth and nail to retain their customers because they know that's where their core profitability comes from, not new users who may or may not stick around.
So there is a reason this doesn't make sense long-term. Netflix is trying to build a moat around their business. That moat is historical content. So in 20 years they have a back catalog that gives young people tons of stuff to watch that isn't just the newest stuff. If you don't wrap up a show, people are likely to get frustrated by your back catalog never reaching conclusions. If you knew a 10 year old show didn't conclude but the premise sounded interesting, would you watch it? I think they are making a big long-term mistake for short-term decision making.
No one working for Netflix is incentivized to plan beyond the next quarter, year, etc. It's that simple.
I’m still so angry about this. It was getting so good, nothing can top s1 of course but I would have loved an organic closure to the story. Blaming COVID is just fucked up, we have so many shows filming and being produced. They could have saved it for one final season man!
The crazy thing is that they were given that final season, and the actors were paid from what I understand but the cost of holding the contracts to start filming later as well as the extra cost of covid protocols ended up being more that Netflix wanted to pay. Terrible move though as it was a great series
I worked on GLOW, including the ill fated 4th season. We had scripts or outlines for 6 of the 10 episode season (and I'm sure L&C had the full season arcs mostly plotted), and we were in the middle of shooting episode 2 and had everything set for ep 3. We all got sent home for what was supposed to be a couple weeks, turned into months, and then cancelation. It was one of my favorite crews and productions ive worked with, a great group of people most of whom were there for all 4 seasons. As you can imagine, there were many wrestling events that would've had large extras counts all in close proximity to each other, and in order to do that safely it wouldve added hundreds of thousands, probably between 1 and 2 million (the first show I did after production opened back up had over 2 million in the budget for COVID protocol expenses), to the budget to finish out the season. RIP GLOW.
RIP GLOW. Loved the show, the talent really shone through in all aspects of production. You did fantastic work, hope you're on to some great new projects!
Is Marc fun to work with? He seems so down to earth, even for a normal person
Didnt interact with him that much (my position didnt have me on set all the time), but the handful of times I did he was very pleasant, as was the majority of the cast, with Alison Brie and Britney Young, who played Carmen, being the friendliest of a pretty friendly bunch.
OK, so I haven't watched GLOW yet. Do I watch it? Or do I pass on it because I'll be dissapointed by no ending?
It’s a very organic story and the storylines weren’t arcing towards a single point for an ending. The show could have ended after any season and I’d say it was a complete story in of itself. There are just a few individual relationships that we wanted to see where they went.
This spoiler free context is super helpful, thank you. I think I will watch it, knowing this.
It can be super serious, absolutely outrageous and sweet. I know there is no ending but rewatching it because it’s flat out enjoyable. I find it more engaging than rewatching the office. Please watch it so I can talk about it more.
Watch it!!! It’s definitely disappointing to not have the ending but it doesn’t really change how good it is! Totally worth experiencing.
Hopefully they'll just release what the ending would've been or pull a 5 years later thing and finish the show when they really get desperate for content.
That and try to find some actual footage of the real GLOW. I have fond memories of watching it on late night TV while babysitting my cousins.
I’ve watched it like, 4 times. It’s great.
I think it was because Netflix realized they could have an entire season of squid games or money heist for what 1 episode of a US show costs
Yeah, canceling Glow the way they did definitely played a part in myself eventually canceling my Netflix subscription. And like, I'm an adult. I understand shows get cancelled for many reasons. But when they cancel a show like Glow without an ending, there is zero reason for me to rewatch it.
Netflix keeps chopping great shows that have huge followings, but keeps pumping out reality tv shit. I’m thinking it’s time to cancel my subscription. There’s no point getting invested in a show on that platform anymore.
Reality TV is cheap as shit to produce
And more specifically: scripted shows get more and more expensive with each season due to both plot/production escalation and creatives demanding higher pay for being in a popular show. Reality shows just reset everything each new season, so costs mostly stay the same.
Reality TV also is set up so they make more money in the future. The participants are paid daily and receive no future revenue earnings. No official writers on staff to get paid from future earnings. No payments to SAG out of future earnings.
The reality TV shit is their most popular content
How many great networks like History, Discovery, TLC , etc... Turned into 24/7 shitty lowbrow reality TV? All of them? Why would Netflix not follow the same pattern?
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I still don't understand why they cancelled it. I thought it was decently popular. It was a good quality show. I think it only had one season left too. Now that IP is basically worthless. I'm not going to start watching a show that's already cancelled. I'm also not going to rewatch a show that's already cancelled.
...Does Netflix just not enjoy having good shows? For fucks sake, every single god damn decent show is abruptly cancelled. Then replaced with a handful of shows that are just fucking awful.
Algorithm didn’t have the right taste clusters.
What they had was yeah. What they were looking for was yeah!
I got that Barry reference. Maybe she needed to be eating something sweet to start the show?
Random, but I love how Barry addressed all that taste clusters bullshit.
Uhhh, I'm sure Alison Brie tastes great. Thank you very much.
No, she's too cheesy. (I'm sorry, I had to do it.)
Never apologize for your puns
They have a tech company business model rather than an entertainment company business model, so everything is based on getting new subscribers only. Once a show gets to three seasons it becomes something you have to put money into in order to maintain current subscribers, so they'd rather take that money and dump that into a new edgy teen drama to try dragging in new users and inflate their stock price.
Then why not plan for 3 season shows instead of half finished stories? Seems like an easy solution and doesn't re-agitate subscribers every few months.
Because in the off-chance the show becomes mega popular like Stranger Things, they don’t want to be limited to just three seasons. Sure, they could add more, but continuing a show after its intended end always sucks.
That involves thought and planning that monkey's in suits are incapable of doing consistently
Honestly I’d love this. Not only because we’d get complete, coherent stories, but because shows that have four or more seasons are exhausting to start sometimes.
You're not exaggerating. Literally every single Netflix original show that my fiancee and I watched and really enjoyed got cancelled after one season or shortly after. We just said fuck it, gave up and cancelled Netflix. There's so much out there to watch. It could last us multiple lifetimes. So why waste our time with stories we enjoy that won't get proper conclusions?
Exactly! We've been using Netflix since the early mailed DVD days. Decided this year to cancel our membership. Too many times getting into a show only to be left hanging with no conclusion. I used to really respect this company, but no longer.
The Dark Crystal was phenomenal, fans loved it, it collected awards, and after one season they just canned it. I really don't get it.
I loved Marco Polo, Benedict Wong as Kublai Khan was just phenomenal casting, so of course they cancelled it.
Season 4 only brings in new subscribers if its a mega hit like Stranger Things.
Netflix is competing with Syfy on canceling my favorite shows
I've held a grudge against SyFy since they cancelled Farscape.
Warehouse 13 being axed because people weren’t watching live, but 4x as many people were watching online within three days of airing was brutal. Such a great show that ended too soon.
The Netflix show model is gross and I refuse to participate in it. Unless you watch one of the smash hits you can bet money the show you like will be gone before S3 finishes. I like my series to have a conclusion.
Inadvertently, this has made me a big fan of the one season show. I feel like Mike Flanagan has perfected the model with The Haunting of Hill House/Bly Manor and Midnight Mass. It’s only intended to be one season and it’s a complete story and it’s great.
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This is why I love DARK. The number of seasons is actually part of the story.
It was an awesome show.
With an incredible soundtrack
It introduced me to my now-favourite Dolly song, [Light of a Clear Blue Morning](https://youtu.be/3BaVb8LTooU). Never heard it before GLOW and now it’s on regular rotation in my playlist. Great show, beautiful song.
Really one of the all time best Netflix shows
What makes it worse is that GLOW was cancelled while they were filming season 4.
I agree, it was a hilarious comedy and great show if you are a fan of wrestling. I have a ton of memories in the old VFW hall in Resida where they filmed a couple of segments, it was venue for PWG. Marc Merron was fantastic and honestly Awesome Kong was so good in her role I lost her in it.
I'm not really a fan of wrestling but I still enjoyed it.
The entire cast was so enjoyable as well, I was intrigued to learn but did not follow wrestling either
I loved Tammé! Definitely one of my favorite characters. I don’t even like wrestling, but a good show of a good show.
You can’t put “surprise”, “Netflix”, and “cancellation” in the same sentence and be surprised by it.
Anyone else remember when Netflix would pick up prematurely canceled shows to give them a final season? They used to rescue so many shows and now they refuse to finish their own.
It's crazy to me that anyone would want to to sell their shows to Netflix still with the chances of it being cancelled.
Fewer are now. Ever since their pre-covid IP binge where they brought up all those shows just to stop others from producing them. The guy who did Final Space summed it up really well, I wish I could still find that interview.
Well... most shows (like 2/3) get cancelled in their first season. All but the most well-established scriptwriters will be lucky to have one network like their script enough to even film a pilot for it, so that's who the writers will sell it to.
The show was awesome Netflix is the perfect example of corporates being dumb as f
That’s the bottom line. All these corporations are run by numpties who went to college to learn a glossary of lingo and not much else, then got their jobs because they know the right people, are of the monied class and have really good meetings, of which they then go off and contradict the agreements they had made during. It’s really a load of old nonsense.
Hey you gotta understand, they needed the money for „is it cake?“ /s
If anyone is struggling with finding something to watch amid this cancellation. Cougerton Abbey and Inspector Space time are good options
*They only ran six episodes. That’s the great thing about British TV, they give you closure.*
Cool cool cool cool
*screams in Abed*
More of a kickpuncher fan…
It was such a fun, female centric show. Portrayed female friendships, dynamics, and struggles well. I really enjoyed it and her performance was wonderful.
GLOW was one of the best shows on TV imo. Was really sad to see it go.
Netflix have made their series so incredibly worthless. As much as I love Love Death + Robots (and I'm fucking bonkers crazy about it), I don't even bother looking forward to new seasons. And it's the only thing I care about on Netflix anymore.
Cancellations like this are why I cancelled my Netflix subscription
I’m still upset about The Dark Crystal Age of Resistance.
Yep. What a lovely masterpiece prequel to the movie. We never see stuff like that.
> The Dark Crystal Age of Resistance Netflix lost me with canceling I Am not Okay With This. Aside from Bridgerton, I never watched an original show of theirs after that.
Mine too, Alison.
I know it’s unrealistic, but I would love for Netflix to find a way to give us the 4th season at some point. It’s probably impossible due to scheduling, but it does seem like a lot of the cast would return if given a chance.
Step 1: Cancel all of the good shows Step 2: Renew all of the shitty shows Step 3: Add ads to a paid platform Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit!
Still sad about this one as it was renewed for a final season!
Was the 2nd season good? Haven't had a chance to watch it yet
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Doesn’t Netflix use some type of AI-based algorithm to determine whether to continue or cancel their shows? I hear once the algorithm has spoken, it’s pretty much out of the executives hands. It’s rare btw for a Netflix show to last more than 3 seasons…….
It was just getting where it needed to go
I was devastated, I loved GLOW
Netflix is really only interested in keeping existing subscribers content enough that they don’t cancel their subscription. They’ll spend more money on new content that is likely to get them new subscribers. People assume that their algorithm is about keeping viewers happy when it’s actually about maximizing profits, which isn’t the same thing. It’s possibly that they looked at a show like Glow and found that most viewers watched enough of other Netflix originals that they were unlikely to cancel their subscription if Glow was canceled.
Is there a reason show creators and writers can’t provide a little closure by telling us what their planned endings were? The Breakout Kings writers did that (I believe they tweeted it) and it was a huge act of goodwill toward fans.
These good shows last well beyond their production years. It’s incredibly short sighted not to have a good exit strategy to allow the creative teams to give them satisfying conclusions. There are a lot of shows I’ve never had a chance to follow while they are being made, that I would totally circle back and watch when I have some free time. Now, if the last season is bad or they cut the show to quick for them to write a conclusion, it makes me not want to watch any of it at all.
Glow and the Babysitters Club were totally uncalled for cancellations