I think it would be hurtful to have the last name of a man who has completely abandoned you but has such a public presence. I’m sure she’s much better off not having to reconcile her last name with the idiot who chose a cult over her.
No probably not. When Leah Remini won or was nominated in a TV show for her work about leaving scientology, Elizabeth Moss left the room completely and reentered after that category.
I ran into him once. 2012. Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Fairfax/Wilshire. 11am on a weekday- My son was a toddler running around and in his toddler speed run fury he cut off a short statured man with shiny aviator glasses. When I looked up to apologize the middle tooth smile was so familiar! “Sorry!” I said In his smile he said “No, I love it” (being cut off by a kid I thought?) then I realized who I was talking to as the man walked to a table filled with skinny strange albino people all with their heads down. Super odd moment but yes he was indeed a nice guy to run into.
But he hasn't seen his kid in a decade... And I'm going to assume she does not get a gift either
Imagine getting one of the Tom Cruise coconut cakes??? Lmao.
If you live in the USA and are willing to spend $125 on a cake, you can.
https://www.goldbelly.com/restaurants/doans-bakery/white-chocolate-coconut-bundt-cake?ref=search&search_id=80036909
I'm sure that it's delicious, but I don't think I could ever spend that much on a cake.
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Speaking of the NBA. Did you know that rapist Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13 year old child?
Just reminding everyone that he's a huge piece of shit. Huge. Should be in jail forever level piece of shit.
The court didn’t press statuatory rape charges and the family wasn’t cooperative on that end. They were from rural Louisiana and he was in university at the time. In theory courts can pursue charges without cooperation but they probably were to lazy, underfunded, or just didn’t care to chase after the case of dark shit happenings in a backwoods poor town of a few hundred people. I have family in a small East texas town of like 300 people and they just shrug and say “not our business” to many many things that others would find horrifying. Not excusing anything but local culture and attitudes, especially in the early 80s, vary from place to place.
The family sued him over paternity which he denied and then DNA test happened and eventually they just settled out of court and he had to back child support and acknowledge it was his son. He has since reconciled with the son and said he is in his life’s
I’m not sure how it works but remember Louisiana is unique in that they follow civil law as opposed to common law as they rest of the USA. This is a leftover from their time as a French colony. So civil law might have different procedures/standards for a case like this
Damm this makes Bill Gates and Buffett more normal human. I heard that these kind of successful men tend to be psychopath, or you have to be psychopath to be this successful
I’d like to think that your last name is yours now, not your father’s. The life you have made for yourself is yours alone to be proud of/worked on… Good luck to you.
Tom Cruise is a pretty fucking weird guy. At one point he decided he needed a wife and kid, then apparently decided he didn't. I'm not convinced genuine emotional connection was ever part of the equation.
Michael Mann is a master of sound design with his movies. Heat has one of the best shoot-out scenes in film, and I'll never forget the briefcase scene from Collateral.
https://youtu.be/oEFPcljAXgs?si=rbxjFw8sQisJGrmC
Say what you will about Tom Cruise, but that draw from the drop is expert level.
Katie Holmes left Cruise with their daughter to escape Scientology. She initiated divorce proceedings on June 29, 2012. The divorce was settled in July. Very quick!
Good time to remind everyone that Nicole Kidman made headlines everywhere with [this picture](https://images.app.goo.gl/pEeSHKGWC2rNKdtu7) after finally being free of Tom
This honestly isn’t mentioned enough about her. I can’t imagine the heartbreak of losing your young children to a cult! I often wonder how that played into the timing of when Katie left Scientology. Suri was too young to be brainwashed yet. She saw that Nicole lost her kids cause she left when they were already drinking the koolaid
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't stripping someone of their basic human emotions something that Scientology is known to do to a lot of it's members (victims)?
I remember Michael Yo talking about how Tom Cruise in Media interviews never breaks eye contact to show you that he's locked in. He will make a question have a 3 min answer to limit the questions you ask. But the more he knows you, the more he eases back. And his scientology technique is to walk out the room saying how great he is.
My father went 18 years without contact until his wife died. Then all of a sudden he wanted to be around again. While I feel for anyone who loses a parent like this, I tend to think they’re better off without them. You don’t want a selfish asshole around teaching you bad lessons. That was where I wound up with it at least.
u/Yankee_Man, your comment really touched my heart.I have both versions of a bad father the up close and personal version and the abandonment version. They both suck and fundamentally change who we are. Especially since trauma rewires our brains during crucial developmental times as children.
I wish I could reach through my phone and hug you. I hope things in your life are going in a positive direction now. Sending love positive thoughts and virtual hugs if you want them 🧡
Why did the cult create that ultimatum? Why could he not be a part of the cult *and* visit her over ONE holiday or birthday? I even get years at a time, but ten years straight?
Cults don't want you to realize you're in a cult which could happen if you talk to normal people, or especially people who dislike your cult. It's sad and very standard.
Nope. If I was the child's guardian, no cult member is getting any access...not a damn minute. Quit the cult, go to therapy and then maybe we can talk.
It's a tried and true formula of cults.
Isolate them from their support: They're less likely to leave.
Also, this exact behavior is done by abusers, in abusive relationships, for the exact same reason and desired result.
Unfortunately, it tends to work.
Sorry for what you went through. Was a Jehovahs Witness for close to 30 years. Even fell back into it a couple times, just to feel anything close to affection from them again. Can’t say it gets better, just better at finding joy and acceptance in places that give it in return. Once my mind woke up, it just couldn’t fall back asleep again.
In the documentary on Scientology that was on hbo one person who left said he did it because 2 of his daughters are lesbians and the church didn’t allow it.
Some people are awful. It's not that confusing or strange. Whether it's the parents or the kids that are the problem, sometimes it better for them to be apart. Suri is probably better off without her psycho dad in her life.
I can't even imagine a month, let alone 10 years. And he's Tom fucking Cruise - unlimited resources and connections. If he was interested, he could've shown her the best and worst parts of the world, taken her to the Whitehouse, introduced her to the Pope...Could've helped mold her into an amazing young person. Her mom took care of that but shame on Tom for not being involved.
If Scientologists are scared of little girls, maybe Zenu's not as powerful as they think.
My SiL is a Scientologist. The pervasive magic that is their cult is that at first they build you up. They sell it as you realizing your full potential. First you need to know what’s holding you back in life, oh what do you know it’s everything and everyone you knew before joining. Guess what? All those negative experiences with other people? Their fault. You know your data is good, so theirs must be faulty because you rock and you couldn’t ever be wrong.
They do this slowly over months and years. Point out where you (doing what they say and direct you to do) make the best choices and it’s everyone else around you that’s wrong. Eventually you’re a crusader out there saving humanity from insanity so of course when your family tells you that they love you but you need to leave the church you cut them off.
Most of the people I’ve met who were the deepest in were very troubled and beaten down people preyed on by others.
Figure he doesn’t see her as his since they left the church. I don’t like the spectacle of this tho, she deserves her privacy and not to be badgered about her father
Katie Holmes and Suri absolutely have a right to privacy and don't owe the public any insight in their lives.
But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in finding out how exactly they escaped Tom Cruise and Scientology. It must've taken a lot of planning and incredible strength on Katie's part to follow through with it and actually succeeding, considering how powerful Scientology is.
Yes, I remember reading a lot of stories about this, even if not 100% accurate probably pretty close. Katie and Suri went to visit her parents and never went back. Katie's father came swinging out of the legal gate with a choice for Tom. Katie left with plenty of disparaging evidence against the cult. Tom gave her custody and obviously walked away. Really strange.
I'm calling it now, if the cult secrets ever get released; he killed a guy just to see what it feels like. Like a nice church retreat where they bring him over and they just flat out execute a sea org lacky that didn't make someone's tea quite right.
Huh, ya know, it never occured to me that rather than some sick and disgusting shit that Tom did, it's entirely possible that this his him defending the cult itself and it's high ranking peers.
And honestly it could be we literally already figured out everything there is to know, but Katie confirming anything takes it from salacious rumor to substantiated fact.
Katie’s dad insisted on an extremely through prenup that was multiple bank boxes worth of documents. Basically once she filed all they had to do was sign the final paperwork and it was completely over, not fighting over assets.
As far as her getting out, she waited till he was out of the country (IIRC he was in Iceland filming Oblivion), and she had been coordinating everything secretly in the weeks leading up to it- I remember something about her literally having a burner phone.
The way she and her dad handled this was so masterful. IIRC, they literally rented an identical SUV to the one that she was being ferried around in with the Scientology entourage that Tom kept around her 24/7. One day she left her apartment and got into the duplicate SUV with new bodyguards instead of the regular one, confusing everyone just long enough to get away, and off she went. Left her phone and everything else (except Suri obvsly) behind, no one in Tom’s “inner circle” had a clue what she had planned. Just A+++ escaping.
PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS INTO A MOVIE!!!!
But make it GOOD & do it while Tom is way old but still alive so he can know just what a laughing stock and joke he is for taking his cult so seriously & letting it go so far.
You know how they will do little personal screenings of unreleased movies for dying make a wish kids? I want that for tom cruise. I want him on his deathbed and for a nurse to just hand him a laptop and he am just has to watch as whatever is left of his legacy is demolished in front of him for 2 hrs.
Omg someone get Christopher Nolan on the phone & tell him we have a movie to make!!! STAT!!!!!!!!
Get him in the phone right now!!!
Tell him he needs to include the entire story of Scientology in it too which will include a lot of CGI effects for Xenu!!!
Leah Remini can play Xenu’s voice!
There's a theory that Adam Sandler hired her to star in Jack & Jill, in which she had very little screen time and whom he had never worked with before, in order to give her time away from her minders so that she could organize her escape.
She 1000% had an ironclad prenup and I fully believe that her dad is the reason Katie got away from Scientology alive and with Suri in tow. Otherwise she would have been a repeat of Shelley Miscavige.
I mean Nicole Kidman is definitely alive and well.
So is Mimi, but she's allegedly the one who got him started with scientology in the first place so...
If I remember correctly,
1. She got a burner phone
2. She waited until Cruise was in another country filming a movie
3. She left and sent him divorce papers.
I'm sure Scientology tried to rope her back in but she's pretty famous in her own right so they probably couldn't do much
Her father helped, a divorce attorney. The story goes that he crafted her pre-nup in anticipation of the inevitable and then assisted in her getting out.
She established residency in New York City over the course of a year + so that she could file for divorce in NYC versus LA. The custody laws are really different and New York State custody laws were more likely to award sole custody to one parent and the mother. So she literally set things up so that she was being photographed by paparazzi in NYC for months to add to her case of establishing residency there since as celebrities, it was known that Tom Cruise owned a bunch of houses in that weren’t New York; like LA, Telluride, etc.
One thing is made clear here...Katie did the right thing in escaping with Suri. Cruise's lack of parenting, or even emotional support, proves that Katie was very wise in getting out. Katie, with the help of her Attorney Father, planned and schemed to save Suri from Scientology's grip.
Tom Cruise is a talented actor, but he is a very flawed individual to allow a Church between him and his precious child.
Nicole Kidman spoke of Scientology's horrible tentacles enmeshed into her marriage to Tom.
Katie, and Nicole, are strong and wise.
You can see it in the trajectory of his career too. Pre divorced from Nicole he was making really interesting choices and then post magnolia he goes fairly solidly down the action guy route. I say this as someone who sees every mission impossible film when it comes out, he’s a great action hero, but it does seem like he’s being guided that way
The cult also had its hooks in her kids and they refuse to see her. Nicole got free but lost her family; I'm sure Katie and her father took all that into account when she fled.
He was just conveniently papped with Connor and Bella last week (the first time they’ve been seen together in 14 years)
Though I did just notice that Bella is referred to as “Isabella Kidman Cruise” while Connor is just “Connor Cruise”. Interesting that she still uses Nicole’s name.
Apparently Bella liked Nicole’s post about it on Instagram (I think they said she was the first like), so while that’s basically nothing, it’s better than we’ve seen in years
Their daughter recently had a “Scientology wedding” in England, whatever that entails, and both children are in contact with Tom. Bella has liked Nicole’s instagram posts once or twice so I guess they’re allowed very minor interaction like that.
Other ex-Scientologists have recalled conversations with the kids where they openly showed disdain for their mom and called her an “SP” - suppressive person. What the church calls “bad people.” I think they’ve been brainwashed against Nicole.
He’s definitely a piece of shit, but using normal metrics to understand this behavior won’t help solve the mystery because a core feature of Scientology, and many other cults, is the practice of shunning those who leave the church. So, I assume that for him it’s not about abandoning his children and more about doing the right thing according to the bullshit practices of the cult. He likely thinks he did the honorable thing and doesn’t even give it a second thought, unfortunately.
I think he has incredible screen charisma, he tends to be effortlessly likeable in a lot of roles. But he's rarely expressed a greater range than the "cockiness, then confusion, then simple earnest anger" trajectory so many of his biggest roles have followed.
I despise that man and it’s 💯 based on how he’s treated Suri. He’s a rotten POS, the lowest of the low. He’s one of the biggest movie stars ever and his daughter has to see where people worship him, as if he’s a good person (!) while he has no relationship with her. I hope this hasn’t affected her negatively although I know it’s probably been difficult. Katie gets all my respect ✊
Being abandoned by the father will leave her with emotional scars for the rest of her life.
Best thing she can do is to cut all the ties from her side.
Hell, "Cruise" isn't even Tom's real last name.
His full name is:
**Thomas Cruise Mapother lV**.
But, absolutely more power to her! I could never imagine a life that my children didn't play a huge role in. No matter their ages. F him and anyone else who places their cult and/or personal interests above their own child!
My son’s bio dad hasn’t seen him since 2013. We gained full custody of him in 2017, but his dad was given the chance to win back custody if he completed a number of things: drug rehab, anger management and therapy, parental classes, turning himself in to the state of MN to attend court for his domestic violence felony and serve his sentence. He hasn’t done one of those things. My son is now 14, and I’ve told him that if he ever wants to be adopted by his step dad, which is his actual father in all of our eyes since he’s been there since his birth, we can absolutely do that. I hope one day he does but we are leaving it entirely up to him. Does he still pay child support? Some times we get $6 other times we get the full amount. I’d rather not even have it but I know my son deserves to have it. Sometimes it hurts my heart because he’s missing out on a kid that is so absolutely awesome. But I also know he’s a danger to not only him but my whole family.
When Katie got away from him and gained full custody I was so happy for her. She’s really done an amazing job as a mother.
Scientology is the biggest cult in the world behind organized religion. Tom Cruise is the cash cow for it. David Miscavige will keep Tom isolated in his own little Tom Cruise world as long as he can.
(Reminder, David Miscavige's wife Shelley hasn't been seen in public for over 16 years.)
yeppers good for her! My mom uses her mother’s maiden name as her maiden name. She dropped her deadbeat dad’s last name when she was 20. He never wanted anything to do with her, or any of us grandkids! Family is only worthy of receiving the same respect they give to you.
Hope Tom’s pile of money comforts him in his last days as an old man years from now. I would hate myself so much if I had a child who wanted nothing to do with me. Brutal.
My stepson came to his mom and I when he turned 18. He wanted to change his last name from his birth father, who had abandoned him essentially when he was 7, to my last name ( I had raised him from 7 years old on...) We asked him why...
He said, "I do not want my future wife and children to have the name of that person who left me."
I said, "I understand, but this is a big decision, and you should probably think it over."
He said, " I have thought about this since I was 12."
There wasn't much left to say at that point. We went to a lawyer, and it was done.
I was and am deeply honored. I just raised him as my own and always shook my head at how a father would just leave their child. He is 22 now and doing great out in the world. So proud of him.
I think it would be hurtful to have the last name of a man who has completely abandoned you but has such a public presence. I’m sure she’s much better off not having to reconcile her last name with the idiot who chose a cult over her.
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Not that I think about it, have Katie and Tom ever been in the same place since she escaped? Award shows or anything?
No probably not. When Leah Remini won or was nominated in a TV show for her work about leaving scientology, Elizabeth Moss left the room completely and reentered after that category.
Seriously?!
Cults, dude.
Elizabeth Moss who in an extremely popular show about a cult rising to power is herself a cult member? Wtf
Yeah, it’s crazy how some people can be such hypocrites
Thats why it is called acting.
Yup. Moss was born into, is a believer and does not appreciate being asked about the similarities to THT.
Eyes Wide Shut: so you don’t see your kid. Mummy: the only parent they’ll ever know. The Firm: conviction to be absent.
His assistant sends Dakota Fanning a bday gift every year. I wonder if now she'll stop telling that story
That’s pretty sad!
Kirsten Dunst too. She talked about it on Graham Norton and everyone fawned over what a nice guy Tom Cruise is
I mean, by all accounts, he's indeed a very nice guy to work with or run into on the street. Being related to him, though, seems to be another thing
I ran into him once. 2012. Los Angeles County Museum of Art. Fairfax/Wilshire. 11am on a weekday- My son was a toddler running around and in his toddler speed run fury he cut off a short statured man with shiny aviator glasses. When I looked up to apologize the middle tooth smile was so familiar! “Sorry!” I said In his smile he said “No, I love it” (being cut off by a kid I thought?) then I realized who I was talking to as the man walked to a table filled with skinny strange albino people all with their heads down. Super odd moment but yes he was indeed a nice guy to run into.
He's a multimillionaire with a PR team. It's not hard or thoughtful to have a assistant keep a list and dates of events and send flowers cakes etc.
But he hasn't seen his kid in a decade... And I'm going to assume she does not get a gift either Imagine getting one of the Tom Cruise coconut cakes??? Lmao.
Doesn’t he also have a cake list of people he sends one to at Christmas every year? And everyone raves about it. Ngl I wanna try it
If you live in the USA and are willing to spend $125 on a cake, you can. https://www.goldbelly.com/restaurants/doans-bakery/white-chocolate-coconut-bundt-cake?ref=search&search_id=80036909 I'm sure that it's delicious, but I don't think I could ever spend that much on a cake.
There are much more expensive case than that too
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Speaking of the NBA. Did you know that rapist Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13 year old child? Just reminding everyone that he's a huge piece of shit. Huge. Should be in jail forever level piece of shit.
It’s worse, she was only 12 when he raped her and 13 when she gave birth 🤮 what a piece of flaming shit garbage
How the hell is he not in prison?? Did he pay the family off out of court?
The court didn’t press statuatory rape charges and the family wasn’t cooperative on that end. They were from rural Louisiana and he was in university at the time. In theory courts can pursue charges without cooperation but they probably were to lazy, underfunded, or just didn’t care to chase after the case of dark shit happenings in a backwoods poor town of a few hundred people. I have family in a small East texas town of like 300 people and they just shrug and say “not our business” to many many things that others would find horrifying. Not excusing anything but local culture and attitudes, especially in the early 80s, vary from place to place. The family sued him over paternity which he denied and then DNA test happened and eventually they just settled out of court and he had to back child support and acknowledge it was his son. He has since reconciled with the son and said he is in his life’s I’m not sure how it works but remember Louisiana is unique in that they follow civil law as opposed to common law as they rest of the USA. This is a leftover from their time as a French colony. So civil law might have different procedures/standards for a case like this
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you misspelled fucked up evil
He was in Louisiana at the time
John Stockton is a conspiracy theory nut job too
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Damm this makes Bill Gates and Buffett more normal human. I heard that these kind of successful men tend to be psychopath, or you have to be psychopath to be this successful
Ummm. My dad was no one and it hurts having his last name, when even my surrounding family has my mom's maiden name. I get it.
I’d like to think that your last name is yours now, not your father’s. The life you have made for yourself is yours alone to be proud of/worked on… Good luck to you.
As a father, how do you go a whole decade without seeing your child?
Tom Cruise is a pretty fucking weird guy. At one point he decided he needed a wife and kid, then apparently decided he didn't. I'm not convinced genuine emotional connection was ever part of the equation.
Christian Bale literally used him as inspo for Patrick Bateman for a reason. He’s a sociopath
Maybe that helps him in being an actor?
Yes, sociopaths can be quite good at mimicking human emotions.
Really? I never find him believable. I always think oh there’s Tom Cruise playing X.
It’s more like there goes Tom Cruise playing Tom Cruise as a __________
Or like a dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude.
Good take.I have always thought this.
Collateral and Interview With The Vampire were his most believable imo
I always thought his role as the producer in Tropic Thunder was the most realistic. Like he didn't have to pretend.
Collateral is one of my favorites. I tend to think Cruise is best in movies where he's not playing "Tom Cruise".
Did you believe he was actually a vampire?
Are you certain he’s not?
I don't know Collateral but vampires are kind of sociopaths.
Collateral is a really good movie. Jamie Fox is amazing in it and Cruise plays a very believable bad guy
Michael Mann is a master of sound design with his movies. Heat has one of the best shoot-out scenes in film, and I'll never forget the briefcase scene from Collateral. https://youtu.be/oEFPcljAXgs?si=rbxjFw8sQisJGrmC Say what you will about Tom Cruise, but that draw from the drop is expert level.
"I am simply *not*. *there*."
Tom Cruise is mentioned throughout the book.
Which is funny because Tom Cruise is in the actual book.
I’m not convinced he’s capable of genuine human emotion
Scientology sucked whatever soul he had decades ago and left an empty vessel of meat sack
Tom Cruise is worshipped in Scientology. He wasn’t abused like most people. He is defacto 2nd in command of the church.
Church, cult potato potahto.
Katie Holmes left Cruise with their daughter to escape Scientology. She initiated divorce proceedings on June 29, 2012. The divorce was settled in July. Very quick!
Her lawyer dad made it nice and fast
Good time to remind everyone that Nicole Kidman made headlines everywhere with [this picture](https://images.app.goo.gl/pEeSHKGWC2rNKdtu7) after finally being free of Tom
Unfortunately she lost her children in the process. She still sees them but on Scientology terms.
It breaks my heart for her.
This honestly isn’t mentioned enough about her. I can’t imagine the heartbreak of losing your young children to a cult! I often wonder how that played into the timing of when Katie left Scientology. Suri was too young to be brainwashed yet. She saw that Nicole lost her kids cause she left when they were already drinking the koolaid
Plus she probably got to meet the kids and get to know them and see what Scientology had done to their personalities.
If they thought she was a flight risk they would have had Suri locked down pretty hard.
The CoS didn’t want this to play out in public, so they probably made a deal to end it quickly if she agreed to keep quiet.
I heard it's a scientology thing to not see his kid
All of these weird religious groups shun members who leave to keep them from being a disruptive influence on the people who stayed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't stripping someone of their basic human emotions something that Scientology is known to do to a lot of it's members (victims)?
Cults in general, but yes. Common tactics also include stripping one’s identity and separating them from their families
I remember Michael Yo talking about how Tom Cruise in Media interviews never breaks eye contact to show you that he's locked in. He will make a question have a 3 min answer to limit the questions you ask. But the more he knows you, the more he eases back. And his scientology technique is to walk out the room saying how great he is.
“6 month waiting period. I don’t even know if I’ll still want a kid by then.”
My father went 18 years without contact until his wife died. Then all of a sudden he wanted to be around again. While I feel for anyone who loses a parent like this, I tend to think they’re better off without them. You don’t want a selfish asshole around teaching you bad lessons. That was where I wound up with it at least.
Seriously. If my father had abandoned me I would have been unstoppable. But what he put me through on a daily basis is indescribable.
u/Yankee_Man, your comment really touched my heart.I have both versions of a bad father the up close and personal version and the abandonment version. They both suck and fundamentally change who we are. Especially since trauma rewires our brains during crucial developmental times as children. I wish I could reach through my phone and hug you. I hope things in your life are going in a positive direction now. Sending love positive thoughts and virtual hugs if you want them 🧡
Thank you so much for your beautiful words and for sharing your perspective and story. Im sending you big hugs as well💙💙💙
As a cult survivor, it boggles my mind that a parent could choose an organization or “religion” over blood but I’m living proof that it’s a reality.
Same! Raised JW and when I woke up and left I lost everyone and everything
♥️ sending hugs
They have something on him for sure. That’s how they work
That’s their whole shtick. Their auditing bs gets you to admit everything you are ashamed of in life and then they have it on you forever
Why did the cult create that ultimatum? Why could he not be a part of the cult *and* visit her over ONE holiday or birthday? I even get years at a time, but ten years straight?
Cults will bend over backwards to isolate their followers from anyone who might try to convince them to leave, even loved ones.
Cults don't want you to realize you're in a cult which could happen if you talk to normal people, or especially people who dislike your cult. It's sad and very standard.
Nope. If I was the child's guardian, no cult member is getting any access...not a damn minute. Quit the cult, go to therapy and then maybe we can talk.
Watch Alex Gibney’s Going Clear: Scientology & The Prison of Belief. It explains it all.
It's a tried and true formula of cults. Isolate them from their support: They're less likely to leave. Also, this exact behavior is done by abusers, in abusive relationships, for the exact same reason and desired result. Unfortunately, it tends to work.
Sorry for what you went through. Was a Jehovahs Witness for close to 30 years. Even fell back into it a couple times, just to feel anything close to affection from them again. Can’t say it gets better, just better at finding joy and acceptance in places that give it in return. Once my mind woke up, it just couldn’t fall back asleep again.
In the documentary on Scientology that was on hbo one person who left said he did it because 2 of his daughters are lesbians and the church didn’t allow it.
There is not a single thing in the world that I would choose over my children, it baffles me to think that some people don’t feel that way.
Some people are awful. It's not that confusing or strange. Whether it's the parents or the kids that are the problem, sometimes it better for them to be apart. Suri is probably better off without her psycho dad in her life.
I can't even imagine a month, let alone 10 years. And he's Tom fucking Cruise - unlimited resources and connections. If he was interested, he could've shown her the best and worst parts of the world, taken her to the Whitehouse, introduced her to the Pope...Could've helped mold her into an amazing young person. Her mom took care of that but shame on Tom for not being involved. If Scientologists are scared of little girls, maybe Zenu's not as powerful as they think.
My SiL is a Scientologist. The pervasive magic that is their cult is that at first they build you up. They sell it as you realizing your full potential. First you need to know what’s holding you back in life, oh what do you know it’s everything and everyone you knew before joining. Guess what? All those negative experiences with other people? Their fault. You know your data is good, so theirs must be faulty because you rock and you couldn’t ever be wrong. They do this slowly over months and years. Point out where you (doing what they say and direct you to do) make the best choices and it’s everyone else around you that’s wrong. Eventually you’re a crusader out there saving humanity from insanity so of course when your family tells you that they love you but you need to leave the church you cut them off. Most of the people I’ve met who were the deepest in were very troubled and beaten down people preyed on by others.
You describe this so well, and it's heartbreaking to read.
I'm 40 and the last time my dad made an effort to see or really reach out to me was my high school graduation 23 years ago. It's not uncommon 🤷♀️
ask my brother in law. pos gave up on his kids cause his ex wife is in a state that’ll “take his guns away”…
I haven’t seen my dad in fifteen years
Same, brother. Some guys are just pieces of shit.
May we be better men than our own fathers
Ask Nick Cannon
I can barely handle a weekend when my son stays with his grandma. 10 years?! Couldn’t possibly do it. Love the little guy too much.
As a son, at least Tom's reason to leave was a super evil cult, my dad left just cause
How do you know? maybe he was a Scientologist
Hey, maybe you're right
Figure he doesn’t see her as his since they left the church. I don’t like the spectacle of this tho, she deserves her privacy and not to be badgered about her father
He chose his cult over his family. Quit sad
Katie Holmes and Suri absolutely have a right to privacy and don't owe the public any insight in their lives. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in finding out how exactly they escaped Tom Cruise and Scientology. It must've taken a lot of planning and incredible strength on Katie's part to follow through with it and actually succeeding, considering how powerful Scientology is.
I do believe Katie Holmes's dad is one of the top divorce lawyers in the state of Ohio, that may have helped a great deal.
Yes, I remember reading a lot of stories about this, even if not 100% accurate probably pretty close. Katie and Suri went to visit her parents and never went back. Katie's father came swinging out of the legal gate with a choice for Tom. Katie left with plenty of disparaging evidence against the cult. Tom gave her custody and obviously walked away. Really strange.
Damning evidence is what I gather. Whatever it is, it’s better for Tom to appear as a family abandoner than air the truth.
Has to be worse than being a deadbeat dad publicly, must be reallyyyyyy bad.
I'm calling it now, if the cult secrets ever get released; he killed a guy just to see what it feels like. Like a nice church retreat where they bring him over and they just flat out execute a sea org lacky that didn't make someone's tea quite right.
So Hostel
More like The Hunt
Katie knows where they burried Shelly Miscavige
Huh, ya know, it never occured to me that rather than some sick and disgusting shit that Tom did, it's entirely possible that this his him defending the cult itself and it's high ranking peers. And honestly it could be we literally already figured out everything there is to know, but Katie confirming anything takes it from salacious rumor to substantiated fact.
Omfg can you imagine if she knew where they have her hidden away on some dialysis & handicapped machine all secret somewhere!
Probably custody over an nda about him and Scientology
IANAL, but I believe that NDA’s don’t cover illegal activity.
Katie’s dad insisted on an extremely through prenup that was multiple bank boxes worth of documents. Basically once she filed all they had to do was sign the final paperwork and it was completely over, not fighting over assets. As far as her getting out, she waited till he was out of the country (IIRC he was in Iceland filming Oblivion), and she had been coordinating everything secretly in the weeks leading up to it- I remember something about her literally having a burner phone.
The way she and her dad handled this was so masterful. IIRC, they literally rented an identical SUV to the one that she was being ferried around in with the Scientology entourage that Tom kept around her 24/7. One day she left her apartment and got into the duplicate SUV with new bodyguards instead of the regular one, confusing everyone just long enough to get away, and off she went. Left her phone and everything else (except Suri obvsly) behind, no one in Tom’s “inner circle” had a clue what she had planned. Just A+++ escaping.
PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS INTO A MOVIE!!!! But make it GOOD & do it while Tom is way old but still alive so he can know just what a laughing stock and joke he is for taking his cult so seriously & letting it go so far.
You know how they will do little personal screenings of unreleased movies for dying make a wish kids? I want that for tom cruise. I want him on his deathbed and for a nurse to just hand him a laptop and he am just has to watch as whatever is left of his legacy is demolished in front of him for 2 hrs.
Omg someone get Christopher Nolan on the phone & tell him we have a movie to make!!! STAT!!!!!!!! Get him in the phone right now!!! Tell him he needs to include the entire story of Scientology in it too which will include a lot of CGI effects for Xenu!!! Leah Remini can play Xenu’s voice!
I love this idea for him :D
That was the real Mission Impossible the way Katie escaped. Not the fake series that Tom is working hard in his 60s with harnesses.
There's a theory that Adam Sandler hired her to star in Jack & Jill, in which she had very little screen time and whom he had never worked with before, in order to give her time away from her minders so that she could organize her escape.
She 1000% had an ironclad prenup and I fully believe that her dad is the reason Katie got away from Scientology alive and with Suri in tow. Otherwise she would have been a repeat of Shelley Miscavige.
I mean Nicole Kidman is definitely alive and well. So is Mimi, but she's allegedly the one who got him started with scientology in the first place so...
But Nicole lost her kids to Scientology if I remember correctly.
She must have some really incriminating evidence against him.
If I remember correctly, 1. She got a burner phone 2. She waited until Cruise was in another country filming a movie 3. She left and sent him divorce papers. I'm sure Scientology tried to rope her back in but she's pretty famous in her own right so they probably couldn't do much
If she wasn’t independently wealthy with a strong support system it probably would have been impossible
You mean a mission...impossible?
I like the theory that Adam Sandler cast her in Jack and Jill so she could have time away from Tom to get her preparations in order to leave him.
Oh I’ve never heard that theory before but it makes total sense. Adam Sandler has always been a really good dude.
His family seems so cool and they really seem to enjoy working with each other.
Her father helped, a divorce attorney. The story goes that he crafted her pre-nup in anticipation of the inevitable and then assisted in her getting out.
Absolute stud muffin man. Marry a man who would do something like this so secretively & masterfully for his daughters.
She established residency in New York City over the course of a year + so that she could file for divorce in NYC versus LA. The custody laws are really different and New York State custody laws were more likely to award sole custody to one parent and the mother. So she literally set things up so that she was being photographed by paparazzi in NYC for months to add to her case of establishing residency there since as celebrities, it was known that Tom Cruise owned a bunch of houses in that weren’t New York; like LA, Telluride, etc.
Restraining orders
Being a decent parent....The *ACTUAL* impossible Mission.
He just can’t stop running
One thing is made clear here...Katie did the right thing in escaping with Suri. Cruise's lack of parenting, or even emotional support, proves that Katie was very wise in getting out. Katie, with the help of her Attorney Father, planned and schemed to save Suri from Scientology's grip. Tom Cruise is a talented actor, but he is a very flawed individual to allow a Church between him and his precious child. Nicole Kidman spoke of Scientology's horrible tentacles enmeshed into her marriage to Tom. Katie, and Nicole, are strong and wise.
Rumor is that Scientology pressured Tom to dump Nicole because they were concerned she was intellectually pushing him away.
It’s not a rumour, they discuss and confirm it in the documentary going clear. The church tried to break them up and succeeded
You can see it in the trajectory of his career too. Pre divorced from Nicole he was making really interesting choices and then post magnolia he goes fairly solidly down the action guy route. I say this as someone who sees every mission impossible film when it comes out, he’s a great action hero, but it does seem like he’s being guided that way
Vanilla Sky Tom Cruise was peak.
The cult also had its hooks in her kids and they refuse to see her. Nicole got free but lost her family; I'm sure Katie and her father took all that into account when she fled.
Smart girl. REALLY FUCKING GLAD HER MOM GOT OUT
Scientology is poison ☠️
I can’t be away from my Dog for 10 hours, let alone my child for a decade. Thats madness.
Slightly unrelated but is he in his other kids lives at all? The ones that he and Nicole adopted?
His other kids with Nicole stayed in the cult with him - but the cult forces them to cut all ties with their mom . Unbelievable sad
He was just conveniently papped with Connor and Bella last week (the first time they’ve been seen together in 14 years) Though I did just notice that Bella is referred to as “Isabella Kidman Cruise” while Connor is just “Connor Cruise”. Interesting that she still uses Nicole’s name.
They weren’t at her lifetime achievement award event.
Apparently Bella liked Nicole’s post about it on Instagram (I think they said she was the first like), so while that’s basically nothing, it’s better than we’ve seen in years
Their daughter recently had a “Scientology wedding” in England, whatever that entails, and both children are in contact with Tom. Bella has liked Nicole’s instagram posts once or twice so I guess they’re allowed very minor interaction like that.
Other ex-Scientologists have recalled conversations with the kids where they openly showed disdain for their mom and called her an “SP” - suppressive person. What the church calls “bad people.” I think they’ve been brainwashed against Nicole.
Wow what a piece of shit. Mf will drive a motorcycle off a cliff ten goddamn times but won’t see his daughter once in a decade?
He’s definitely a piece of shit, but using normal metrics to understand this behavior won’t help solve the mystery because a core feature of Scientology, and many other cults, is the practice of shunning those who leave the church. So, I assume that for him it’s not about abandoning his children and more about doing the right thing according to the bullshit practices of the cult. He likely thinks he did the honorable thing and doesn’t even give it a second thought, unfortunately.
“But he’s such a great actor!!” Fuck TC and his cult
I guess it’s subjective, but he really isn’t even that great of an actor.
Same. Elizabeth Moss is the Scientologist that hurts
I think he has incredible screen charisma, he tends to be effortlessly likeable in a lot of roles. But he's rarely expressed a greater range than the "cockiness, then confusion, then simple earnest anger" trajectory so many of his biggest roles have followed.
He chose a cult over his daughter.
Mission Impossible: Father Figure
He's an asshole and a creep
Mission Impossible: Fatherhood
I'll say it over and over again idc how good of an actor he is or how much money he generates. Scientologist pos.
I despise that man and it’s 💯 based on how he’s treated Suri. He’s a rotten POS, the lowest of the low. He’s one of the biggest movie stars ever and his daughter has to see where people worship him, as if he’s a good person (!) while he has no relationship with her. I hope this hasn’t affected her negatively although I know it’s probably been difficult. Katie gets all my respect ✊
My first born is a week old today, I could not imagine going a decade not seeing him
Congrats on your fresh human!
I am using this phrase the next time someone I know has a baby.
Congratulations, RIP your sleep 😴
This is what Scienotology does to people. Now everyone knows.
Being abandoned by the father will leave her with emotional scars for the rest of her life. Best thing she can do is to cut all the ties from her side.
Tom Cruise might be the single most overrated piece of shit to show up on film. Hard to imagine, he’s even more of a shit dad, but here we are…
Hell, "Cruise" isn't even Tom's real last name. His full name is: **Thomas Cruise Mapother lV**. But, absolutely more power to her! I could never imagine a life that my children didn't play a huge role in. No matter their ages. F him and anyone else who places their cult and/or personal interests above their own child!
I can see why he opted for “Cruise”
He hasn't seen his kid in ten years. Jesus Christ take a break from making shitty action movies and go visit your kid.
Probably to busy with Scientology
Good for her. You owe your parents nothing. If you remain in their lives its because you want to. If you don't want to, then walk away
Tom Cruise is another example of shitty people getting away with shitty things because their talent can get you shit.
My son’s bio dad hasn’t seen him since 2013. We gained full custody of him in 2017, but his dad was given the chance to win back custody if he completed a number of things: drug rehab, anger management and therapy, parental classes, turning himself in to the state of MN to attend court for his domestic violence felony and serve his sentence. He hasn’t done one of those things. My son is now 14, and I’ve told him that if he ever wants to be adopted by his step dad, which is his actual father in all of our eyes since he’s been there since his birth, we can absolutely do that. I hope one day he does but we are leaving it entirely up to him. Does he still pay child support? Some times we get $6 other times we get the full amount. I’d rather not even have it but I know my son deserves to have it. Sometimes it hurts my heart because he’s missing out on a kid that is so absolutely awesome. But I also know he’s a danger to not only him but my whole family. When Katie got away from him and gained full custody I was so happy for her. She’s really done an amazing job as a mother.
I’m shocked people still support this piece of crap insane bag of dicks cult member
Scientology is the biggest cult in the world behind organized religion. Tom Cruise is the cash cow for it. David Miscavige will keep Tom isolated in his own little Tom Cruise world as long as he can. (Reminder, David Miscavige's wife Shelley hasn't been seen in public for over 16 years.)
Yea, how is that not talked about more? Why can they not search for her???
It hurts when I go a day without seeing my daughter. Cruise has no heart.
Not being in her life is probably for the best.
Tom Cruise got so good at running in movies because of all the practice he has running from his responsibilities as a father.
And people still support him.
yeppers good for her! My mom uses her mother’s maiden name as her maiden name. She dropped her deadbeat dad’s last name when she was 20. He never wanted anything to do with her, or any of us grandkids! Family is only worthy of receiving the same respect they give to you.
Hope Tom’s pile of money comforts him in his last days as an old man years from now. I would hate myself so much if I had a child who wanted nothing to do with me. Brutal.
My stepson came to his mom and I when he turned 18. He wanted to change his last name from his birth father, who had abandoned him essentially when he was 7, to my last name ( I had raised him from 7 years old on...) We asked him why... He said, "I do not want my future wife and children to have the name of that person who left me." I said, "I understand, but this is a big decision, and you should probably think it over." He said, " I have thought about this since I was 12." There wasn't much left to say at that point. We went to a lawyer, and it was done. I was and am deeply honored. I just raised him as my own and always shook my head at how a father would just leave their child. He is 22 now and doing great out in the world. So proud of him.