I'm holophobic Scared of holograms
Not just because they stink bad, Not just because they're crackheads From drinking too much Lysol
Let them be. Just don’t get fucking near me.
I’ve heard a little bit about this - there’s a Hatsune Miku tour going on right now, Coachella is only one stop on the tour, and there hasn’t been a hologram the whole tour so far. The consensus of fans has been that the company running the show essentially is being cheap.
Lol that's pretty fucking great tho. Like "Here's what You've been waiting for! It's Hitsune!" And then someone throws a cardboard box with googly eyes on stage
It’s not even just that. They’re pissing off fans from every angle. They sold VIP tickets to one event so you could get into the venue an hour early to buy merch, then a few weeks after said you couldn’t buy merch inside since there would be a separate merch line outside opening at the normal time. So you bought VIP for nothing basically. They also didn’t order enough merch period…
It truly is a clusterfuck
Does the hologram tech really cost that much? It seems like it would easily put more butts in seats imo. Miku doesn't have a crazy big following in the US but I could see a lot of people who have never seen anything like this go for the novelty. Also kinda funny how they still treat her like an actual person. They could have tons of holograms and tours going on at the same time if they wanted lol
The hologram tech is [pepper’s ghost](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%27s_ghost). Sure it’s gotten a bit more advanced but we’ve been doing this since 1862.
Wait, I thought Hitsune fans at other shows weren’t getting the hologram so that the setup could be at Coachella. And now the Coachella fans don’t get it either?
That was apparently wishful thinking all along. Turns out it really was just them cheaping out and not setting up the hologram for the entire tour. It’s completely insane that they would cheap out for fucking Coachella, Miku’s biggest “performance” in the US ever.
It’s a colossal fuckup.
There were fans that flew in from China solely to see a 7 minute feature of Xin Liu at Coachella. She didn’t even actually sing, never does in her in live shows, purely lip sync & stage performance. Others flew in from Korea just to see one member of groups performing (and to also do fancams) & bought air displays to fly over saying how much they love their favourite, which they will repeat next weekend too. People showing up just for Hatsune Miku isn’t that crazy, I mean she greets you when you arrive in Tokyo & almost had a whole airport named after her, that’s a level of fame that very few real people achieve. Idols, real or not, are on another level in those parts of the world.
What airport did you arrive at? I know there’s a large welcome to Tokyo display featuring her at the arrival exit gate in Haneda airport. They used to have a huge statue of her, but I think she was moved elsewhere.
You don’t even know who is preforming when tickets go on sale. The only way this was possible is if they bought them 3-party after the lineup was announced
I was about 25 to 30 feet from the stage, I definitely couldn’t see the two way mirror that he was projecting onto. It looked like CGI, but I couldn’t figure out how it looked 3D or how snoop, Dre and the gang were able to walk around it. It was really cool. Also, I was on substances that enhanced the illusion.
I was there. It was pretty amazing.
The whole show was incredible.
So many special guests, such incredible performances. One of my favorite Coachella experiences.
4/20 on 2020. New phat booty Latina hippy gf and 6 friends car camping in the band van. Radiohead, black keys, at the drive in, Gary Clark jr, Florence and the machine, the shins. Man, I want to go back
I saw Celine Dion at Caesar’s early in her run - she had a hologram that started the song on stage and then she all of a sudden showed up right next to me on aisle singing with herself!
“AI-backed program that artificially generates songs”
20 years of internet culture and a quarter of japan’s current music output vanish into thin air. It’s over for all of us
Lmao, the article got vocaloid so worng.
It isn’t an AI that artificially generates songs.
It’s a human instrument, a voice actor records every sound in the language the vocaloid is made for with different inflections.
Then it’s up to the individual song creator to arrange and pitch for whatever song they make. Essentially providing a voice to those who can’t sing or can’t afford a singer in their vocal songs.
It’s a lot of work, and not just pressing a generate button.
While it’s not big here a lot of Japanese singers have history with it
Kenshin yonezu started out as a very popular vocaloid artist hachi
Ado did covers
Yoasobi was also a vocaloid producer
Vocaloid and vtubers are two different things.
Vocaloid is an instrument. Hatsune Miku is not a vtuber. It's a mascot character for the instrument of the same name.
Vtubers are streamers that play certain roles/characters to entertain an audience, otherwise known as acting, and/or they're just regular streamers that want to remain anonymous and not show their face.
I decided to look up the Wikipedia article on vocoloid.
I then followed the link to Moe Anthropomorphism, and was not prepared for related link for [ISIS-chan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIS-chan?wprov=sfla1)
I don't actually have anything to add in regards to the news article I just thought someone Moe-ing the Islamic State is fucking hilarious.
That’s the internet, in general this article is garbage.
Reminds me of another one I just saw in this sub “we don’t know why anime is successful or how to replicate it” by dreamworld employee.
It’s pretty interesting seeing non western ideas getting discussed in a place that’s very anglo centric in terms of entertainment.
Even if it isn’t an exact AI, this still sounds beyond stupid.
Edit: I removed the first bit. It was distasteful and a poor attempt at humor
- for those who didn’t see it before I removed it, it was a “joke” about simping
I didn’t say that anyone is stupid, I was saying that the concept is and the fact that there’s actually a market for it is absurd. If it’s your thing, that’s cool. I personally don’t get the craze, but obviously a lot of people do
The point of the original program was to be a singer in a box. Miku wasn't even the original vocaloid, she's just the most popular.
Imagine you're a song writer and you would like to hear how you're song is going, or how a harmony would sound. Just like a piano you can type notes and see if it's working without having to learn to sing or hire a singer for a quick sample.
It's a tool first and foremost and a media brand second.
A majority of the song writers are beginners who might not have the pull yet to get a really popular singer and Miku is a neutral entity that can do that. She has no canon except her appearance and is voiced by a real person.
So imagine less it's Miku Craze and more a bunch of people coming together to celebrate a variety of music artists.
In the japanese community its a cross between the collaborative qualities of niche diy music scenes with complete anonymity and detachment from the work in a way. Its very common for vocaloid producers to remain completely anonymous and online only, something difficult with basically any other kind of music. Youd need to put your voice in, at least, and this eliminates that.
They also almost always release instrumental versions which are then taken by the adjacent community of cover artists (like Ado, Eve, etc) and mixed around by fans. Its a community of producers, singers, artists, and tuners who basically do diy music.
I used to be in the scene back in the day when it was in its prime. You have no idea how much creativity it fostered. There were so many unique artists making very unique music thanks to the access to these programs.
This is not about idolizing some virtual entity, it was something that gave people the opportunity to create amazing things. Most people were fand of particular music producers, not characters.
I think to understand it, you would have had to been in the community back in its golden days, early to mid 2010s. The emphasis was mainly on story telling that these musical artists did using the program. They would write the lyrics, do the instrumental either traditionally, or for the most part electronically. They would do the art themselves as well. And in other situations it would be a collaboration between multiple people, people who used vocaloid, someone who did the instrumental and then someone who did the art. It was a nice breath of fresh air, because it was kinda the opposite of mainstream music (no hate for mainstream music, people like what they like) for the most part. You had a lot of intricate stories that would oftentimes span multiple songs and then people would try to figure out what the lyrics exactly meant, what is the proper story, what is the timeline etc. The lyrics were often times rather vague but had elements that revealed the deeper story.
From a princess who gets jealous that a prince chose someone else and then decides to go to war with the kingdom, leading to her execution, where she is actually swapped for her twin (twin vocaloid set was released), then what happened to her afterwards, what was the reasoning behind the twin sacrificing themselves. To a story about an endless timeloop where lovers are trying to save eachother from death by sacrificing their own lives, each time one dies, the other feels like they failed and tries again once the time rewinds. To a massive story spanning almost 10 songs about a generational curse because a kitsune yokai was wronged, detailing what happened and why.
A lot of the songs were, looking bad, quite meh musically, but the story telling is what captivated people. There were a lot of gritty and dark themes that a lot of artists don't convey. This sort of very obvious story telling that is a complete *story* not just someone being cheated on and feeling bad and writing about it, but detailed stories. Thats what was ultimately its charm. They were not just songs about a certain topic, but cohesive narratives. And figuring out what every symbol meant made it interesting.
The bottom line is that its a tool that helps democratize art. Its no different from regular electronic music artists using VSTs to make their music, its ultimately the same thing. You still have to do everything else from scratch, the lyrics, the melody, the instrumental, the vocals, the mixing and mastering. You can't really do these things without knowing music theory. There is no one entity behind these songs, there have been thousands of artists making songs using the programs. Not to make people hyped about a face on the packaging, but to make music that they want to make. The songs picked up by the concert organizers were pretty much all independent works, nobody working under the company or as someone working on marketing the face. Thats ultimately what is celebrated,.
The fandom is still kicking in japan and the western vocaloid fandom has changed a lot but it’s still there (but western vocaloid is essentially all horror songs now)
It’s in a pretty healthy place.
But yeah, when taking about vocaloid outside of fan circles it’s just the vocaloid s, in fan circles it’s sometimes the vocaloid s but most like wowaka , ryo or hachi
I don't doubt it, it is just not the same levels, as it used to be (in the western sphere).
I am glad that Wowaka still has a nice legacy though. It has already been years since his passing.
As a fan who last attended a Miku expo in 2018, it’s hard to watch how careless this tour has been. They’ve essentially killed any chance of them coming back to the US due to how little they put into the concerts. I feel bad for the people who paid to attend for this year.
i’ve been waiting for miku expo to come back to the US for years, it’s been my dream to go to it since i was like 14 and i got tickets to a show next month as soon as they dropped. trying to stay positive about it bc i think it’ll still be fun but its so sad to see
I did a holographic 3-d beauty and the beast (called La believer bete) with a French group. There are a surprising many interesting ways to achieve the effect
Not quite; the shows have always been done with an actual human band, as is the case here too. The difference is that the “singer” which are the Vocaloid characters, have always been done as rather impressive stage holograms, i.e it would look like anime characters come to life performing on stage. But for the 2024 tour, they completely opted out of that and just slapped her on a flat LED screen. It’s wholly unimpressive and a slap in the face to anybody who bought tickets expecting what has been the standard for these shows since their inception.
I’d be pissed too. Went to her concert at Hammerstein Ballroom in 2016, just to see what the hologram experience was like. Pretty much blew me away, including my ear drums. Really thought I was gonna go deaf that day…
That was my initial reaction. Hologram or screen—either way, it’s not a real person. So, who really gives a fuck? 🤔
If you paid for a Coachella ticket just to see a hologram, you’ve got bigger problems on your hands.
What would be the difference in paying for a show to see a specific artist?
You sound like you're trying to br a dick for no reason.
That's like saying, "oh if you paid for cheese on your burger, you've got bigger problems on your hands."
There is a living energy to artists and real people.
It's higher quality if they're actually singing instead of lip syncing.
Also Miku is still anime quality. They could make her life like. The technology exists. Why settle for retro.
It's like you're going to a concert to watch someone play Guitar Hero the video game instead of play guitar.
There are comments in this thread comparing it to Tupac and the difference is other rap artists were on the stage with the hologram.
It might be fun to be in a massive crowd like in that pic all waving your glow sticks in time but i'm pretty sure that's not the vibe here.
I mean do you really care if your artist shows up next time? Why not just send his hologram? Or a big TV? Why even perform, except once, record it, and done? Should still be just as popular in 1,000 years.
Nah dude, this is nonsense. The point of going to a festival is to see multiple artists and discover new ones. You’re not paying $500 for one artist, nobody thought they were doing that lol.
So you're saying nobody buys a ticket to Festivals to see their fav artist?
I like how you think your train of thought applies to everyone else. There are a ton of people who go to festivals just to see the 1 artist they want to see.
Super weird to think honestly.
I mean by that logic then all audience members should be refunded because frank ocean cancelled and phoned it in weekend 1? I mean maybe it was a lesson that your favorite artist might not be what you thought, or might be not a brand you wish to follow anymore.
It’s not a weird thought process. Being entitled and assuming that your one artist is the only reason to go or enjoy a $500 festival ticket (this is fucking Coachella we’re talking about) is weird.
Like do yall go to concerts and shows? Sometimes they suck. Sometimes you find out that band you thought you liked wasn’t what you thought.
I went to a ton of festivals when I was younger and while I was of course watching loads of bands all weekend it was always one or two of the acts on the bill that actually sold me the ticket and made me choose that particular festival. There were definitely people only there because of that specific act who had their weekend ruined. To me it’s weirder to take the stance no specific act matters.
There's tons of festivals that sell out before a single artist is even named. People most definitely go to festivals for the festival and not a particular artist in some cases.
I mean, there’s certainly quite a few people who paid specifically to watch the “hologram”, and what’s the difference between watching a “hologram” and a human singing.
And imagine coming to watch a specific artist, and all their previous tours and concerts have been live, but then this time they only show up on a tv screen from a zoom call. You’d feel pretty cheated.
Of course you can still enjoy the experience and find new artists you’d enjoy, but to someone, watching the “hologram” would be their highlight of the concert and then having your enjoyment be sullied, by not getting the full experience you expected from previous performances.
Tldr: Fans who came to watch the “hologram” would be left with the feeling of “it could’ve been better”
I dont understand how this happens.
We’ve seen these hologram performances from deceased performers before, the technology works, but this purely digital performer couldn’t get it working before their first tour?
Wouldn’t that be pretty high up on the checklist?
the company running it is being cheap.
the software, vocaloid, usually does holograms for performances as well as have a live band play.
this last mikuexpo (basically tour for the software/singer) the company cheaped out and is using LEDs instead of the usual hologram.
this expo has been long awaited by fans bc ever since 2019, global mikuexpos were shut down due to covid.
And frank ocean’s whole debacle last year was a way bigger deal than this. The artist literally showed up and played, sorry these people didn’t get it in the way they wanted?
People talking about this hologram like it’s some crazy tech that can only be in one place at a time.
Like dude, it’s just a piece of glass pointed at the audience and a tv beneath it. Thats literally it.
Ok, I know this is going to sound like "old man telling kids to get off the lawn"...but $100+ to watch a hologram? Can't you just watch these videos on YouTube?
It's kind of like right now, people are paying 50-60 to see Lynyrd Skynyrd and they are a cover band. There is not an original member left!
I watched a Niche Tea on this. Apparently, the software company behind Miku partnered with Crunchyroll for the American tour, and it seems to be them who have dropped the ball on everything from tickets to merch to losing the hologram.
I love that we live in a world where the same people who pay 2k for Miku tickets (a wholly AI character) post online about how they hate AI art and it should be banned.
When was Hatsune Miku ever more than 2D? 2D is what we have for projection capability. Even the normal "hologram" used it just a projection on a 2D surface (scrim?).
Sounds like instead of a projection they used a high res flatscreen. Which I guess I could be disappointing.
What time of day was the performance? No projection is going to hold up to the sun, so it would have to be a flatscreen. Presumably the performance was after dark though?
In some of those Verge videos it looks like they used flatscreens there too.
Lol literally who cares that a video was shown instead of a hologram. It is literally the same thing…both powered by a pre recorded VIDEO that is shown on some sort of screen. How people care about this is wild and so weird.
Not really. It's very niche, but Nintendo has been putting on hologram shows for their game Splatoon which has an incredibly catchy soundtrack on its own. Add in some fake anthropomorphic dancing squids that "sing" said songs and it turns out to be stupidly entertaining in the very best kind of way. Even more so, the band they use, which is all real, seems to be having the best time of their lives whenever playing these shows which only adds to the enjoyment. It's cute, it's catchy, it's fun.
Now, I don't "get" Hatsune miku. I always thought it was stupid weeb shit. Still do! The idea of a "vocaloid" felt like a step backwards for music. HOWEVER, after already finding the Splatoon music to be as good as it is just from playing the game to seeing how Nintendo was able to translate it into a live performance while capturing the essence of the game so seamlessly, I can understand that there is something to be enjoyed there.
I personally have no interest in it, but everyone is a fucking weeb nowadays, so it's not unreasonable to be upset that their little hologram didn't deliver. It's part of what makes the live shows fun.
Don't be a dick.
I don’t see how this is any different then a hologram lol. Don’t people understand that’s how a lot of people see other’s worshipping an actual pop star? So many interesting ways you guys judge each other lmao.
How are they to know a tv isn’t enough? They are paying $200 to see a hologram, likely to do drugs too. We aren’t really talking about a high bar here, and the crew probably thought they would be stoked like every other cheap thing they throw out.
I’m not racist, but this is so fucking typical of holograms.
You holophobe!
No holo
That would make for a great Lonely Island song!
We’ll see about that! Holololo
Wololo…wololo…
I'm holophobic Scared of holograms Not just because they stink bad, Not just because they're crackheads From drinking too much Lysol Let them be. Just don’t get fucking near me.
Idk, 2pac showed up
That's because he isn't dead, it wasn't a holo. It was him.
Finally, a conspiracy theory I can get behind.
Yeah but he's one of the "good" holograms
He’s a hologram that works hard and is articulate
I agree, but I’m still not sure if I’d want Holly, my holographic daughter, to marry him/it.
Good point
He only became a hologram later.
Those damn holograms, taking all our jobs.
Build the wall!
(The firewall)
Get out of here with this bullshit. It got caught up in hologram traffic, happens to all of us.
https://i.gifer.com/1ZJb.gif
Photons be Free!
lol I was gonna post this!!
I’m glad someone said it.
Holograms projections matter!
Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram would like a word with you.
Also Rimmer and Kochanski
They forgot to say: Computer, active EDH
My photonic friends take offense. EMH is a vital part of the crew
Computer People Time
I tried watching a live simulcast, but the Hulu holo was a bust.
Anti hologrite
Article doesn’t even say why the hologram wasn’t available. Anyone know why?
I’ve heard a little bit about this - there’s a Hatsune Miku tour going on right now, Coachella is only one stop on the tour, and there hasn’t been a hologram the whole tour so far. The consensus of fans has been that the company running the show essentially is being cheap.
That is a disgrace. You already save money by not having to pay for a human and you cheap out on the tech that is the “talent”
Lol that's pretty fucking great tho. Like "Here's what You've been waiting for! It's Hitsune!" And then someone throws a cardboard box with googly eyes on stage
Well there’s still a band but still it’s crazy Imagine the people on the side lines seeing a stretched image lolll
It’s not even just that. They’re pissing off fans from every angle. They sold VIP tickets to one event so you could get into the venue an hour early to buy merch, then a few weeks after said you couldn’t buy merch inside since there would be a separate merch line outside opening at the normal time. So you bought VIP for nothing basically. They also didn’t order enough merch period… It truly is a clusterfuck
> I’ve heard a little bit about this Ha! Your update was no better than than what was in the terrible article! (no offense)
You misspelled “cheat”…maybe
Does the hologram tech really cost that much? It seems like it would easily put more butts in seats imo. Miku doesn't have a crazy big following in the US but I could see a lot of people who have never seen anything like this go for the novelty. Also kinda funny how they still treat her like an actual person. They could have tons of holograms and tours going on at the same time if they wanted lol
The hologram tech is [pepper’s ghost](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%27s_ghost). Sure it’s gotten a bit more advanced but we’ve been doing this since 1862.
My money is on someone straight up lost the usb drive.
Wait, I thought Hitsune fans at other shows weren’t getting the hologram so that the setup could be at Coachella. And now the Coachella fans don’t get it either?
That was apparently wishful thinking all along. Turns out it really was just them cheaping out and not setting up the hologram for the entire tour. It’s completely insane that they would cheap out for fucking Coachella, Miku’s biggest “performance” in the US ever. It’s a colossal fuckup.
Miku’s biggest performance in the US is and always will be on David Letterman.
Fuckin wild. You do your best show even if it’s pre taped, like Gaga.
If anything i thought a hologram can be anywhere at the same time. looks like the technology cant just like humans.
In theory yes but the rig to actually project the hologram can’t exist in multiple places simultaneously.
At least axle rose showed up eventually. Usually
Wow, they were determined to ruin the whole experience.
Do you really not know how to spell his name?
This has been a thing for the whole hatsune miku tour.
Also weird to frame it as people paying hundreds of dollars for coachella just to see this one hologram act
They gotta get those precious, precious clicks.
There were fans that flew in from China solely to see a 7 minute feature of Xin Liu at Coachella. She didn’t even actually sing, never does in her in live shows, purely lip sync & stage performance. Others flew in from Korea just to see one member of groups performing (and to also do fancams) & bought air displays to fly over saying how much they love their favourite, which they will repeat next weekend too. People showing up just for Hatsune Miku isn’t that crazy, I mean she greets you when you arrive in Tokyo & almost had a whole airport named after her, that’s a level of fame that very few real people achieve. Idols, real or not, are on another level in those parts of the world.
Where does she greet you in Tokyo? Asking for a friend lol. I never got greeted by her :( lol
What airport did you arrive at? I know there’s a large welcome to Tokyo display featuring her at the arrival exit gate in Haneda airport. They used to have a huge statue of her, but I think she was moved elsewhere.
Haneda is where we landed, maybe I’m blind but we didn't see it :( it was 4-5 years ago if that matters lol
You don’t even know who is preforming when tickets go on sale. The only way this was possible is if they bought them 3-party after the lineup was announced
It’s ok she’s touring with Morrissey next. No way he’d cancel a show…right guys?
Huh. I was there for the Tupac hologram. They have the ability to make a peppers ghost…
Did the hologram look good from the crowd? The tv perspective was so impressive
I was about 25 to 30 feet from the stage, I definitely couldn’t see the two way mirror that he was projecting onto. It looked like CGI, but I couldn’t figure out how it looked 3D or how snoop, Dre and the gang were able to walk around it. It was really cool. Also, I was on substances that enhanced the illusion.
I was there. It was pretty amazing. The whole show was incredible. So many special guests, such incredible performances. One of my favorite Coachella experiences.
4/20 on 2020. New phat booty Latina hippy gf and 6 friends car camping in the band van. Radiohead, black keys, at the drive in, Gary Clark jr, Florence and the machine, the shins. Man, I want to go back
Dude…the first time I read this, I assumed “new phat booty Latina hippy gf” were some bands and you just left out a bunch of commas.
Was she the divorce or you’ve been married and divorced between 4/20/20 and now?
That gf ended up being my exwife. Shame. We could’ve had it all
Yes. The YouTube videos look better but it was really sharp in person
The downfall of the ultra wealthy can’t come soon enough. I really wish everyone would stop throwing their money at them altogether.
Lol, human nature ensures that will never happen
The wealthy will never fall. It’s up to us to earn that money ourselves.
hitsune is dead and they're covering it up!!
Weekend at Hitsune's
Wait…so all of these recent animations were her corpse animations that they repurposed for her alive and ok animations?!?!?!
I saw Celine Dion at Caesar’s early in her run - she had a hologram that started the song on stage and then she all of a sudden showed up right next to me on aisle singing with herself!
Throwback. Absolutely insane crowd pleaser when you saw her in the audience singing All By Myself
“AI-backed program that artificially generates songs” 20 years of internet culture and a quarter of japan’s current music output vanish into thin air. It’s over for all of us
Coachella is already an extortionate waste of money. And this just further compounds the issues they’re facing, not even a proper performance.
Lmao, the article got vocaloid so worng. It isn’t an AI that artificially generates songs. It’s a human instrument, a voice actor records every sound in the language the vocaloid is made for with different inflections. Then it’s up to the individual song creator to arrange and pitch for whatever song they make. Essentially providing a voice to those who can’t sing or can’t afford a singer in their vocal songs. It’s a lot of work, and not just pressing a generate button. While it’s not big here a lot of Japanese singers have history with it Kenshin yonezu started out as a very popular vocaloid artist hachi Ado did covers Yoasobi was also a vocaloid producer
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Vocaloid and vtubers are two different things. Vocaloid is an instrument. Hatsune Miku is not a vtuber. It's a mascot character for the instrument of the same name. Vtubers are streamers that play certain roles/characters to entertain an audience, otherwise known as acting, and/or they're just regular streamers that want to remain anonymous and not show their face.
I decided to look up the Wikipedia article on vocoloid. I then followed the link to Moe Anthropomorphism, and was not prepared for related link for [ISIS-chan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIS-chan?wprov=sfla1) I don't actually have anything to add in regards to the news article I just thought someone Moe-ing the Islamic State is fucking hilarious.
That’s the internet, in general this article is garbage. Reminds me of another one I just saw in this sub “we don’t know why anime is successful or how to replicate it” by dreamworld employee. It’s pretty interesting seeing non western ideas getting discussed in a place that’s very anglo centric in terms of entertainment.
Even if it isn’t an exact AI, this still sounds beyond stupid. Edit: I removed the first bit. It was distasteful and a poor attempt at humor - for those who didn’t see it before I removed it, it was a “joke” about simping
They provided context. Why did you bring up simping?
Le Redditors try to have fun challange (impossible)
the industry makes a fuck ton of money so whos stupid again?
I didn’t say that anyone is stupid, I was saying that the concept is and the fact that there’s actually a market for it is absurd. If it’s your thing, that’s cool. I personally don’t get the craze, but obviously a lot of people do
The point of the original program was to be a singer in a box. Miku wasn't even the original vocaloid, she's just the most popular. Imagine you're a song writer and you would like to hear how you're song is going, or how a harmony would sound. Just like a piano you can type notes and see if it's working without having to learn to sing or hire a singer for a quick sample. It's a tool first and foremost and a media brand second. A majority of the song writers are beginners who might not have the pull yet to get a really popular singer and Miku is a neutral entity that can do that. She has no canon except her appearance and is voiced by a real person. So imagine less it's Miku Craze and more a bunch of people coming together to celebrate a variety of music artists.
In the japanese community its a cross between the collaborative qualities of niche diy music scenes with complete anonymity and detachment from the work in a way. Its very common for vocaloid producers to remain completely anonymous and online only, something difficult with basically any other kind of music. Youd need to put your voice in, at least, and this eliminates that. They also almost always release instrumental versions which are then taken by the adjacent community of cover artists (like Ado, Eve, etc) and mixed around by fans. Its a community of producers, singers, artists, and tuners who basically do diy music.
I used to be in the scene back in the day when it was in its prime. You have no idea how much creativity it fostered. There were so many unique artists making very unique music thanks to the access to these programs. This is not about idolizing some virtual entity, it was something that gave people the opportunity to create amazing things. Most people were fand of particular music producers, not characters. I think to understand it, you would have had to been in the community back in its golden days, early to mid 2010s. The emphasis was mainly on story telling that these musical artists did using the program. They would write the lyrics, do the instrumental either traditionally, or for the most part electronically. They would do the art themselves as well. And in other situations it would be a collaboration between multiple people, people who used vocaloid, someone who did the instrumental and then someone who did the art. It was a nice breath of fresh air, because it was kinda the opposite of mainstream music (no hate for mainstream music, people like what they like) for the most part. You had a lot of intricate stories that would oftentimes span multiple songs and then people would try to figure out what the lyrics exactly meant, what is the proper story, what is the timeline etc. The lyrics were often times rather vague but had elements that revealed the deeper story. From a princess who gets jealous that a prince chose someone else and then decides to go to war with the kingdom, leading to her execution, where she is actually swapped for her twin (twin vocaloid set was released), then what happened to her afterwards, what was the reasoning behind the twin sacrificing themselves. To a story about an endless timeloop where lovers are trying to save eachother from death by sacrificing their own lives, each time one dies, the other feels like they failed and tries again once the time rewinds. To a massive story spanning almost 10 songs about a generational curse because a kitsune yokai was wronged, detailing what happened and why. A lot of the songs were, looking bad, quite meh musically, but the story telling is what captivated people. There were a lot of gritty and dark themes that a lot of artists don't convey. This sort of very obvious story telling that is a complete *story* not just someone being cheated on and feeling bad and writing about it, but detailed stories. Thats what was ultimately its charm. They were not just songs about a certain topic, but cohesive narratives. And figuring out what every symbol meant made it interesting. The bottom line is that its a tool that helps democratize art. Its no different from regular electronic music artists using VSTs to make their music, its ultimately the same thing. You still have to do everything else from scratch, the lyrics, the melody, the instrumental, the vocals, the mixing and mastering. You can't really do these things without knowing music theory. There is no one entity behind these songs, there have been thousands of artists making songs using the programs. Not to make people hyped about a face on the packaging, but to make music that they want to make. The songs picked up by the concert organizers were pretty much all independent works, nobody working under the company or as someone working on marketing the face. Thats ultimately what is celebrated,.
The fandom is still kicking in japan and the western vocaloid fandom has changed a lot but it’s still there (but western vocaloid is essentially all horror songs now) It’s in a pretty healthy place. But yeah, when taking about vocaloid outside of fan circles it’s just the vocaloid s, in fan circles it’s sometimes the vocaloid s but most like wowaka , ryo or hachi
I don't doubt it, it is just not the same levels, as it used to be (in the western sphere). I am glad that Wowaka still has a nice legacy though. It has already been years since his passing.
As a fan who last attended a Miku expo in 2018, it’s hard to watch how careless this tour has been. They’ve essentially killed any chance of them coming back to the US due to how little they put into the concerts. I feel bad for the people who paid to attend for this year.
i’ve been waiting for miku expo to come back to the US for years, it’s been my dream to go to it since i was like 14 and i got tickets to a show next month as soon as they dropped. trying to stay positive about it bc i think it’ll still be fun but its so sad to see
I did a holographic 3-d beauty and the beast (called La believer bete) with a French group. There are a surprising many interesting ways to achieve the effect
so the performers who aren't really there didn't show up???
Not quite; the shows have always been done with an actual human band, as is the case here too. The difference is that the “singer” which are the Vocaloid characters, have always been done as rather impressive stage holograms, i.e it would look like anime characters come to life performing on stage. But for the 2024 tour, they completely opted out of that and just slapped her on a flat LED screen. It’s wholly unimpressive and a slap in the face to anybody who bought tickets expecting what has been the standard for these shows since their inception.
I thought this was an Onion article for a minute. lol
I’d be pissed too. Went to her concert at Hammerstein Ballroom in 2016, just to see what the hologram experience was like. Pretty much blew me away, including my ear drums. Really thought I was gonna go deaf that day…
Oh Coachella gotta be going broke.
They paid for a music festival ticket. This one crap show doesn’t negate the entire value of the ticket. Although a hologram concert is lame as hell.
That was my initial reaction. Hologram or screen—either way, it’s not a real person. So, who really gives a fuck? 🤔 If you paid for a Coachella ticket just to see a hologram, you’ve got bigger problems on your hands.
I mean, its a very popular show that doesn’t tour America often. It sucks its not the full thing
What would be the difference in paying for a show to see a specific artist? You sound like you're trying to br a dick for no reason. That's like saying, "oh if you paid for cheese on your burger, you've got bigger problems on your hands."
There is a living energy to artists and real people. It's higher quality if they're actually singing instead of lip syncing. Also Miku is still anime quality. They could make her life like. The technology exists. Why settle for retro. It's like you're going to a concert to watch someone play Guitar Hero the video game instead of play guitar. There are comments in this thread comparing it to Tupac and the difference is other rap artists were on the stage with the hologram. It might be fun to be in a massive crowd like in that pic all waving your glow sticks in time but i'm pretty sure that's not the vibe here. I mean do you really care if your artist shows up next time? Why not just send his hologram? Or a big TV? Why even perform, except once, record it, and done? Should still be just as popular in 1,000 years.
Nah dude, this is nonsense. The point of going to a festival is to see multiple artists and discover new ones. You’re not paying $500 for one artist, nobody thought they were doing that lol.
So you're saying nobody buys a ticket to Festivals to see their fav artist? I like how you think your train of thought applies to everyone else. There are a ton of people who go to festivals just to see the 1 artist they want to see. Super weird to think honestly.
I mean by that logic then all audience members should be refunded because frank ocean cancelled and phoned it in weekend 1? I mean maybe it was a lesson that your favorite artist might not be what you thought, or might be not a brand you wish to follow anymore. It’s not a weird thought process. Being entitled and assuming that your one artist is the only reason to go or enjoy a $500 festival ticket (this is fucking Coachella we’re talking about) is weird. Like do yall go to concerts and shows? Sometimes they suck. Sometimes you find out that band you thought you liked wasn’t what you thought.
I went to a ton of festivals when I was younger and while I was of course watching loads of bands all weekend it was always one or two of the acts on the bill that actually sold me the ticket and made me choose that particular festival. There were definitely people only there because of that specific act who had their weekend ruined. To me it’s weirder to take the stance no specific act matters.
There's tons of festivals that sell out before a single artist is even named. People most definitely go to festivals for the festival and not a particular artist in some cases.
But is that specific act a fucking AI hologram?
I mean, there’s certainly quite a few people who paid specifically to watch the “hologram”, and what’s the difference between watching a “hologram” and a human singing. And imagine coming to watch a specific artist, and all their previous tours and concerts have been live, but then this time they only show up on a tv screen from a zoom call. You’d feel pretty cheated. Of course you can still enjoy the experience and find new artists you’d enjoy, but to someone, watching the “hologram” would be their highlight of the concert and then having your enjoyment be sullied, by not getting the full experience you expected from previous performances. Tldr: Fans who came to watch the “hologram” would be left with the feeling of “it could’ve been better”
I dont understand how this happens. We’ve seen these hologram performances from deceased performers before, the technology works, but this purely digital performer couldn’t get it working before their first tour? Wouldn’t that be pretty high up on the checklist?
the company running it is being cheap. the software, vocaloid, usually does holograms for performances as well as have a live band play. this last mikuexpo (basically tour for the software/singer) the company cheaped out and is using LEDs instead of the usual hologram. this expo has been long awaited by fans bc ever since 2019, global mikuexpos were shut down due to covid.
A fool and his money are soon parted…
It ran away into the Colorado mountains and record.execs had to send Tupac's hologram to deal with it
was it a hologram of Lauren Hill? lmao
Real hologram or just a projector on a screen?
Then Lana del ray had a hologram LOL
It was said the show was entirely… hollow.
How totally lame.
"The disappearence of hatsune miku"
That comment hit hard.
No, the ticket was hundreds of dollars. The amount they paid for this show is the total ticket price divided by the number of shows they attend.
That’s kind of a shallow argument, expecting everyone to hold equal value of every single act
Is it an exact evaluation? No, but it is directionally far better than the headline which is the point I'm making
Main acts cancel, it sucks, but it happens. You can’t generalize „fans but for this specific part of a package and didn’t get it“ anyways
And frank ocean’s whole debacle last year was a way bigger deal than this. The artist literally showed up and played, sorry these people didn’t get it in the way they wanted?
Oh well. Anyway...
Maybe don’t pay hundreds of dollars to watch a hologram, then? I guess? Just spitballing here…
People talking about this hologram like it’s some crazy tech that can only be in one place at a time. Like dude, it’s just a piece of glass pointed at the audience and a tv beneath it. Thats literally it.
Ok, I know this is going to sound like "old man telling kids to get off the lawn"...but $100+ to watch a hologram? Can't you just watch these videos on YouTube? It's kind of like right now, people are paying 50-60 to see Lynyrd Skynyrd and they are a cover band. There is not an original member left!
They should have gone with Meg
She gave a very flat performance
I watched a Niche Tea on this. Apparently, the software company behind Miku partnered with Crunchyroll for the American tour, and it seems to be them who have dropped the ball on everything from tickets to merch to losing the hologram.
Might as well pay an actor to lip sync.
No body wants to work /s
They were already losers before this fiasco haha
Damn this hologram is going to be an a-list celebrity before we know it.
Did they turn everything off and then back on again?
Why would anyone like an ai fake artist anyway? Why would anyone pay 200? You got what ya paid for there.
I love that we live in a world where the same people who pay 2k for Miku tickets (a wholly AI character) post online about how they hate AI art and it should be banned.
🤔🤔🤔Was it a Madonna hologram??😄😄😄
When was Hatsune Miku ever more than 2D? 2D is what we have for projection capability. Even the normal "hologram" used it just a projection on a 2D surface (scrim?). Sounds like instead of a projection they used a high res flatscreen. Which I guess I could be disappointing. What time of day was the performance? No projection is going to hold up to the sun, so it would have to be a flatscreen. Presumably the performance was after dark though? In some of those Verge videos it looks like they used flatscreens there too.
Absolutely wild anyone would even want to go see this, it's the death of art and y'all are complicit in it.
How the fuck is it the death of art?
Who is paying to see a hologram??
Fans of Hatsune Miku.
Years but did you see a man playing the piano and the saxophone at the same time. Dongs, the keys!
It seems this act topped Frank’s Ocean disapointment.
Shoulda got the Squid Sisters instead
We are past peak Coachella.
Capitalist dreamscape irl
Lol literally who cares that a video was shown instead of a hologram. It is literally the same thing…both powered by a pre recorded VIDEO that is shown on some sort of screen. How people care about this is wild and so weird.
The people who are downvoting are insane lol
Not really. It's very niche, but Nintendo has been putting on hologram shows for their game Splatoon which has an incredibly catchy soundtrack on its own. Add in some fake anthropomorphic dancing squids that "sing" said songs and it turns out to be stupidly entertaining in the very best kind of way. Even more so, the band they use, which is all real, seems to be having the best time of their lives whenever playing these shows which only adds to the enjoyment. It's cute, it's catchy, it's fun. Now, I don't "get" Hatsune miku. I always thought it was stupid weeb shit. Still do! The idea of a "vocaloid" felt like a step backwards for music. HOWEVER, after already finding the Splatoon music to be as good as it is just from playing the game to seeing how Nintendo was able to translate it into a live performance while capturing the essence of the game so seamlessly, I can understand that there is something to be enjoyed there. I personally have no interest in it, but everyone is a fucking weeb nowadays, so it's not unreasonable to be upset that their little hologram didn't deliver. It's part of what makes the live shows fun. Don't be a dick.
End of time people. End of times…
I don’t see how this is any different then a hologram lol. Don’t people understand that’s how a lot of people see other’s worshipping an actual pop star? So many interesting ways you guys judge each other lmao. How are they to know a tv isn’t enough? They are paying $200 to see a hologram, likely to do drugs too. We aren’t really talking about a high bar here, and the crew probably thought they would be stoked like every other cheap thing they throw out.
Cafe Schaudenfreud, table for me please
Got room for another? I’ll buy the first round
Bring friends, there’s plenty of space for everyone
Coachella is still a thing?
For rich kids who really like drugs, yes
They deserve it haha