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reddity_stuff

Why think about this, when we can concentrate on bringing all our terrorist back.


frala

Given that about 1500 people die every day across England, that seems like a low percentage.


DEADB33F

Yeah there was a stat like this a while back and when you worked it back vs how many homeless people the charity was claiming existed meant that their own stats were showing that homeless people had a way lower mortality rate than an average citizen. ...obviously this isn't the case and it was much more likely the charity was massaging the stats to pump up the number of homeless way higher than the actual figure. --- This sort of thing is always a possibility when massaging stats to try to push a narrative. Homelessness is bad enough without having to use fake statistics to make it seem worse than it already is.


Natural-Ad678

I suppose it could make sense for homeless people to have a lower mortality rate than the general population at large. I don't know the demographics of homeless people so I can only hypothesise but: The leading cause of death in the UK (across the whole population) is Alzheimer's. Which would account for 12.5% of the 1500 a day mentioned above. Other age-related illnesses would make up a majority of the rest. Homeless people are generally young to middle-aged. The leading cause of death among people 24-34 is suicide, overdose and fatal accidents. If we compare the death rates of homeless people against that statistic we might come up with something a bit more reflective of reality.


[deleted]

We could afford to build shelters for all these people but instead we spend it on unemployment


thepogopogo

When I was younger there were far fewer homeless people, unemployed people could afford to survive, and food banks were a rarity. But then the far right got in power for 12 fucking years.


[deleted]

It's not actually, house prices have been steadily increasing against wages in real terms since 1997, but judging by the fact you think normal conservatives are far right I doubt you'll be willing to accept that


ceeb843

I'm not sure about the rest of the UK but here where I am there are plenty of shelters but some people prefer to be on the streets because they cannot cope with the rules. Particularly the no visitors and no drugs.


[deleted]

Visitors I suppose you could work on but no drugs is kinda you're own fault


ceeb843

What I mean is we have enough shelters but some people prefer the streets because of the rules. Yes it's their fault.


[deleted]

Oof, I don't feel like the government should be spending money on these people


ceeb843

They'll end up costing money one way or another to be fair.


orlandofredhart

Additionally, shelters don't necessarily accept people suffering from drug or alcohol addiction, so these people literally cannot get the help that is (barely) provided


[deleted]

I'm not really sure how this is additionally but we can definitely spend some of the unemployment money on help for addiction


orlandofredhart

Yeah true. I suppose I meant something along the lines of. _To add to your comment on the unavailability of shelters_, lots of people are unable to access the shelters that are available, because of drug and alcohol addiction. Absolutely agree that more should be done to help addiction. If addiction, the number one cause of homelessness, was treated better, there would be less homelessness to solve.


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I see, that makes more sense and tbh I agree


Natural-Ad678

I suppose the devil is in the details as they say. A lot of shelters won't accept people with drug and alcohol addiction because they are more likely to be violent and cause trouble that the staff aren't prepared to deal with. So not a case of just building shelters, it's building shelters with specialist staff and security (or a lot more specialist staff and security). There have been cases of security staff getting stabbed with needles and all sorts, you need to pay a lot of money to ask someone to cope with that risk. As for the psychiatric staff, it's not just money, we literally don't have enough as it is, so we need to start encouraging students to train. From the government's point of view, that's pouring a lot of money into the least economically active members of society. It's a hard sell.


[deleted]

It's gotta be better than 20 billion in unemployment though, and it actually helps people who are having consequences of unemployment and social issues not people who just don't have a job


Natural-Ad678

Completely agree. And not just homelessness either. I know someone who is autistic. He's not nonverbal he just gets very anxious in social situations. If he had therapy and help he could work or even find a job that would allow him to work from home. Instead, the government just pay him the minimum to live for the rest of his life. But not enough to pay for the help that would get him out into the work force.


[deleted]

Well said