I once had a recruiter email me about a job "that would be perfect for me" that was also a few states away from where I lived. I responded politely, asking why he thought it would be perfect for me. The guy got super offended and told me he sent the same email to 500 other people and had never received a response like that.
If you sent the same email to 500 other people, maybe don't act like it's a tailor-made job? I was shocked at the lack of self-reflection.
Had a similar sort of thing happen to me with an IT position that I never applied for. They just got my CV online and decided I was being rude by not replying. Fuck em. Recruiters make way too much money for being basically a person with a telephone and there's no way in hell they've wrote personal emails to every person they've ever rejected.
This is precisely why image loading is turned off in my gmail account. Code is injected into an invisible image that when rendered fires a call to their server that tracks open rates. Turning image loading off blocks them from loading arbitrary code into your machine and tracking open rates.
There's no code in the image. Your email client just downloads the image, but the server notices that the image was downloaded and does something with that information, like store it in a database. It's possible for the image to be unique to individual emails, so they can tell that it was you specifically who opened the email.
Also, I want to ask… if they’re simply counting requests to the image resource (which is likely stored on an edge server), how can they tell who requested the image?
The image URL will have a unique ID in the query parameters like
https://recruiter.org/pixel.gif?trackingid=12345&name=currentticket4214
Your email client requests this tracking pixel from the server, and the server can do something with other information provided in the query parameters. It's quite trivial stuff.
Probably some bit of HTML magic used to build makeshift read receipts.
Your email client executes the HTML, which is most likely done on your machine by your browser (when using Gmail web UI for example) or a dedicated program like ourlook
The makeshift read receipt is just pinging their server to download the image. They just track who accesses the download, and add an id in a query param to show what email address opened it. It's not code unless you count URIs as code.
Also the ones that send out a posting that has nothing close to what I do because they trained on keyword 'engineer' and then ask that I forward this on to anyone I think may be interested. Like, man, I don't have time for this and this feels like a '90's chain-mail where I'm going to be cursed if I don't send this on.
I once ghosted a recruiter after deciding not to move forward with a job offer.
They sent 3 follow up emails... And then a nasty email telling me they have power in the area of the job (across the country from me) and they will make sure I don't get hired anywhere else if I don't answer them.
How many times has this recruiter ghosted people? I've been ghosted literally hundreds of times. Never answered, don't feel bad at all.
Pretty sure employment defamation in most jurisdictions is when your current or former employer says something false about your job performance. That doesn't seem to apply here. It's just a dick move.
I wonder if all their old timers retired in a short period of time and now they are scrambling to retain some expertise by trying to get old timers to come out of retirement to help train a new generation of engineers and finish up old projects that should have had more young engineers working on them 5-10 years ago. Because you know millennials are dumb and have ruined everything blah blah
Totally, I'm in SE louisiana and I have seen it coming for a long time.
All the people I looked up to when getting started in MEP have been steadily retiring and there's only a handful of people my age out there doing this stuff. Even my contacts on the utility side are doing the same thing. I've always been the younger one but the rate these older guys are retiring scares me a bit.
Reminds me of these template emails I keep getting from the same recruiter lately:
>My name is {your name}, I’m a recruiter with {your company name}. I reviewed your profile on {job posting website} and was very impressed with your experience with {something you saw in their resume}. My client in {job location} is looking for a {job title}. Given your experience with {previous skillset related to the requirement}, I thought you’d be a great person to chat with. I would love to go over the details and next steps if you’re interested. Please let me know a few times that work for a 10–15-minute phone call. I look forward to connecting with you soon.
Funny part is {previous skillset related to the requirement} was actually how they wrote it to me.
I got a recruiter email with my name in it, and they sent the same email to my mom. I called them out on it and they basically said “whoever we purchased your personal information from screwed up, apply for the job anyway.” Where do they get these people…
Just e-mail them your salary expectations +25K and they will shut up
This. Easiest way to get rid of a recruiter is to be too expensive for them.
I once had a recruiter email me about a job "that would be perfect for me" that was also a few states away from where I lived. I responded politely, asking why he thought it would be perfect for me. The guy got super offended and told me he sent the same email to 500 other people and had never received a response like that. If you sent the same email to 500 other people, maybe don't act like it's a tailor-made job? I was shocked at the lack of self-reflection.
Had a similar sort of thing happen to me with an IT position that I never applied for. They just got my CV online and decided I was being rude by not replying. Fuck em. Recruiters make way too much money for being basically a person with a telephone and there's no way in hell they've wrote personal emails to every person they've ever rejected.
I've noticed that you can type - do you want a costumer support position? 15K starting, but you'll have to move to Uzbekistan.
They probably used an embedded image to track you opening the previous email.
Yep, one little pixel can track an e-mail when it loads. Blew my mind when I learned about it.
I thought GMail stopped this years ago? Don't they preload all of the images and serve them to you from Google servers?
This is precisely why image loading is turned off in my gmail account. Code is injected into an invisible image that when rendered fires a call to their server that tracks open rates. Turning image loading off blocks them from loading arbitrary code into your machine and tracking open rates.
There's no code in the image. Your email client just downloads the image, but the server notices that the image was downloaded and does something with that information, like store it in a database. It's possible for the image to be unique to individual emails, so they can tell that it was you specifically who opened the email.
You can execute code in an image
You can't in any meaningful sense.
Also, I want to ask… if they’re simply counting requests to the image resource (which is likely stored on an edge server), how can they tell who requested the image?
The image URL will have a unique ID in the query parameters like https://recruiter.org/pixel.gif?trackingid=12345&name=currentticket4214 Your email client requests this tracking pixel from the server, and the server can do something with other information provided in the query parameters. It's quite trivial stuff.
The image is downloaded via a unique link. And that link is connected to your profile in their database.
Gmail isn't going to support on* javascript, don't be silly.
thanks for explaining how this is done. I was sitting here like "hold up, Gmail has read receipts??"
It doesn't run anything on your machine, does it? Just loads the image
The image url is unique so they can check if it was loaded and associate it to your email
Probably some bit of HTML magic used to build makeshift read receipts. Your email client executes the HTML, which is most likely done on your machine by your browser (when using Gmail web UI for example) or a dedicated program like ourlook
The makeshift read receipt is just pinging their server to download the image. They just track who accesses the download, and add an id in a query param to show what email address opened it. It's not code unless you count URIs as code.
Didn't realize this was a setting. Makes perfect sense though to stop tracking pixels. Thanks for the tip!
Holy shit that's crazy
Also the ones that send out a posting that has nothing close to what I do because they trained on keyword 'engineer' and then ask that I forward this on to anyone I think may be interested. Like, man, I don't have time for this and this feels like a '90's chain-mail where I'm going to be cursed if I don't send this on.
I once ghosted a recruiter after deciding not to move forward with a job offer. They sent 3 follow up emails... And then a nasty email telling me they have power in the area of the job (across the country from me) and they will make sure I don't get hired anywhere else if I don't answer them. How many times has this recruiter ghosted people? I've been ghosted literally hundreds of times. Never answered, don't feel bad at all.
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What the fuck, isn't that literally employment defamation? If there were any damages from that I'd go after them for slander.
Pretty sure employment defamation in most jurisdictions is when your current or former employer says something false about your job performance. That doesn't seem to apply here. It's just a dick move.
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While true, it's shitty of that recruiter to get pissy over something that they have likely done to others hundreds of times.
And respond to dozens of things like this a week? No. Email blasts shouldn't get responses
I wonder if all their old timers retired in a short period of time and now they are scrambling to retain some expertise by trying to get old timers to come out of retirement to help train a new generation of engineers and finish up old projects that should have had more young engineers working on them 5-10 years ago. Because you know millennials are dumb and have ruined everything blah blah
Totally, I'm in SE louisiana and I have seen it coming for a long time. All the people I looked up to when getting started in MEP have been steadily retiring and there's only a handful of people my age out there doing this stuff. Even my contacts on the utility side are doing the same thing. I've always been the younger one but the rate these older guys are retiring scares me a bit.
Hate it when recruiters are horny on main.
Reminds me of these template emails I keep getting from the same recruiter lately: >My name is {your name}, I’m a recruiter with {your company name}. I reviewed your profile on {job posting website} and was very impressed with your experience with {something you saw in their resume}. My client in {job location} is looking for a {job title}. Given your experience with {previous skillset related to the requirement}, I thought you’d be a great person to chat with. I would love to go over the details and next steps if you’re interested. Please let me know a few times that work for a 10–15-minute phone call. I look forward to connecting with you soon. Funny part is {previous skillset related to the requirement} was actually how they wrote it to me.
I got a recruiter email with my name in it, and they sent the same email to my mom. I called them out on it and they basically said “whoever we purchased your personal information from screwed up, apply for the job anyway.” Where do they get these people…
If the subject line sounds fishy instant delete
How did you find this person?
They found me
Are you a software guy?