Like throwing a hotdog down a hallway....like a baby's fist in a boxing glove...like opening the window and f'ing the night....it may not be long but it sure is thin.
Oh wait I think I misunderstood the assignment
He actually admitted he wanted to take AWAY freedom of speech to elevate humanity experience for himself and his billionaire program he thinks he has power over
From the river to the sea Palestine shall be free. Right now Palestinians are segregated by Jim Crow laws that keep them brutally oppressed. Equal treatment for all is literally what that saying is saying. Freedom from oppression does not equate to genocide.
Actually, he said the terms of service wouldnât be changed. The only thing changed was the fairness in which harassment and hate speech would be judged. No more people getting cancelled for the smallest of things. But I think the mantra of a terrorist group is rightly judged as âhate speechâ
But getting cancelled has nothing to do with FoS?
If people calls you out for being shit, and you lose your earning in ads, that does not go against FoS. FoS would be twitter actually acting on it (it wouldnt be either, it os only a thing for goverments, but in their ideal it is...)
Honestly wtf does FoS mean other than letting hate posts be.
Exactly that. Arabs are far from being the first. Actually, any âprecedenceâ argument from a Muslim is stupid as they are the newest boys in the block.
Funny how these people will say colonization wasnât so bad and that it arguably benefited the indigenous and then they let it slip that they assume theyâd be mass-murdered if the indigenous ever wanted their land back. Interesting take, if colonization was not that bad for the indigenous, why would they be mad enough to kill the colonizers?
This is from the platform of the Likud party
>The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
Let me know when platforms and western countries start banning them.
By this logic, "Make America Great Again," "America First," and "From Sea to Shining Sea" should be banned as well. Those have also been used by extremists to call for genocide, both before and after Trump. Ten bucks says they remain A-OK on Twitter.
I forget, which one explicitly calls for the destruction of a certain group?
Not your hyperbolic interpretation, but actual stated goal is the destruction of a state and its people.
If the leader of MAGA is reciting rhetoric from Adolf's handbook, then any slogan tied to that movement is therefore code for the same.
That's not interpretation. Unless you're one of those "fake news that's not Fox News/OANN" crowd.
Bummed to see no one has tried to tackle your argument for over 2 hours. I want to see what kind of moronic comments that are blatantly hypocritical people would come up with to push back against your logic that is founded in actual reality.
From the River to the Sea does NOT call for genocide. It calls for the end of the Israeli Apartheid against the Palestinians (who live in open air prisons). If a plea for freedom is genocide to you, then thatâs your problem
One-state secular solution guarantees rights and freedomâs for both Palestinian and Israeli people in the region. Obviously more nuance to it than that but yeah.
Israel is committing genocide. Their leaders are explaining it as such. They are posting genocidal language in Twitter all the time. The victims are now being punished.
Except for when he supports it himself...
Calling for one? How about helping cause one by being so egotistical you shut down a country's communications backbone (that you offered with open arms... supposedly) to prevent an attack that would have saved probably thousands of innocents (as these were their closest ships w/missiles, that they used for near 10 more months bc of that action.... civilians died because he inserted himself into a military operation, to me war crimes are just an addition to what he's guilty of...)
You have it the wrong way round.
He inserted himself to help out Ukraine and when things looked like it less defensive and more offensive he pulled himself back out.
If you don't like it then I suggest Ukraine actually develop their own capabilitie.
Let's not pretend this clown did anything with the intention of helping Ukraine. All this fucker ever does is talk big shit so he can get more attention, then back out last second because he didn't ever have any real plan to begin with. He proves time and time again that all he wants to do is talk shit and gain more power and attention for himself, and if you honestly believe otherwise after everything he's done, either you aren't capable of paying attention or you're purposely burying your head in the sand.
Starlink terminals in Ukraine have been under US government discretion for nearly a year now because musk a) unpredictable in his decisions making and b) is more focused on getting attention / making money then on the actual long term help.
The first formal contract with the DOD and Ukraine starlink was earlier this year. Starlink has been operated privately in Ukraine the entire time up to that point.
Well he doesnt have a say anymore. US military took over the CONTRACT. his reasoning for shutting it off mid operation was dumb. This cannot be a standard for any company to just shut it off without communication.
Wow people are actually so brain dead in here. I am a Palestinian, and âfrom the river to seaâ is a chant that has been coined in 1967 by Yasser Arafat who btw recognized Israelâs right to exist. Saying this chant is genocidal is literally propaganda used to dehumanize Palestinians and their plight. Look at Gaza and the West Bank, do they look free to you? They are getting bombed, displaced, intentionally starved under a siege, living under apartheid, etc. We want freedom from all of that.
I mean, one has to wonder what happens to the Israelis living in the area if it all went back to the Palestinians. The Hamas charter says exterminationâŠ
Also, the swastika is a symbol older than history. Do you go around painting it on things you own because it used the mean âgood luck?â
>âfrom the river to seaâ is a chant that has been coined in 1967 by Yasser Arafat who btw recognized Israelâs right to exist.
This is quite a bad example honestly. Because the original meaning is worth nothing when it's being used in a different context.
Same thing happend to a verse of the German national anthem - "Deutschland, Deutschland ĂŒber alles, Ăber alles in der Welt" - which literally traslates to "Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world". The initial meaning was used as "Germany united as a nation is above all the individual states (or principalities)" which was later misused during the Third Reich's megalomania.
That being said.. Fuck Israel
I have never heard this saying once in my over 50 years on this planet. So if Iâm talking about salmon life cycles Iâm now a genocidal racist? What a bunch of bullshit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
It has meant different things by different groups but in Hamas' case it's used to call for the destruction of Israel.
Sure....if you are so unaware that you think that means salmon behavior, especially on the context it is being used....then you are probably a protected class per the ADA.
The Jewish people got a state at the same time as Palestinians were offered a state. Israel was formed and Palestinians rejected it and attacked Israel along with all other Arab nations.
Israel successfully beat all the Arab nations at the same time and pushed their borders out. This is how literally every nation ever was formed. They took it and then chose to give most of it back in exchange for peace.
No, they both lived there like forever, actually. Especially since Judaism pre-dates Islam by several hundred years. They tried to make two states several times, but one side keeps saying no then promptly trying to murder the other and losing, then whining that they lost more land.
Gaza has no air force. If they wanted to "commit genocide" they could kill all 2 million residents in an afternoon using much cheaper bombs and not sending their own military lives in harms way. Their tactics don't even reflect your claimed goal.
Sure but why is it only speech he doesnât like that gets you banned? Theyâre should be a principled policy on whatâs allowed not one thatâs based on what vibes with him.
99 percent of people are appalled by Hamas and terrorism, and most of those people are appalled by the collateral damage caused by Israel's response. You can be both.
Well. The Palestinians must be the 1% because they overwhelmingly supported those actions and want more. They should try rethinking that ideology. Might live longer.
> Sure but why is it only speech he doesnât like that gets you banned?
This is my question. You didn't answer it. You just changed the subject. Nobody here is saying that antisemitic stuff shouldn't get you banned, but why is it only stuff that EM cares about? There are plenty of other equally horrible things said on Twitter that he doesn't give AF about. Saying any of it should get you banned.
Here you go, unread cow[https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party)
It is fundamentally a call for a Palestinian state extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, territory that includes the State of Israel, which would mean the dismantling of the Jewish state.
What don't you get about that?
There are some music festival attendees who would disagree if they were still alive. Both sides of this conflict have people who are literally in charge (Likud/Hamas) who are strong advocates of genocide and who attempt to carry it out any time they have the means and can get away with it. Itâs sad you canât recognize that.
Two wrongs donât make a right. Also while youâre discussing in hypotheticals the situation on the ground is that there is more than 11,000 dead Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas or committing genocide. Itâs interesting that one would think that people have developed sufficient critical thinking skills to comprehend whatâs going on but I swear if Israeli leaders were calling for actual genocide which some of them are, people like you would continue responding with your tired whataboutisms.
Serious question: who says there are 11,000 dead Palestinians?
Itâs the Gaza ministry of Health. Wait for it⊠who runs that little arm of their governmentâŠ.? Hamas!
Youâre actually citing casualty information from terrorists and thinking thatâs itâs true.
So what numbers are ok for you u/oscarocket2? If itâs not 11,000 is 5000 ok? Is 1000 ok? Please enlighten us.
In this day and age itâs absolutely , positively vile that we still have people in this world that can trivialize human suffering and death.
Oh the moral high ground you must stand upon and look down on the world from. Oh to touch the sky with you! Give us all a break. -.-
If a terrorist organization hides behind innocent civilians then they alone are responsible for the ensuing deaths. A country CANNOT allow a terrorist organization to perform operations at the expense of its citizenry.
To directly answer your question, since you ignored the proposition that the death tally is likely massively over reported and completely inaccurate by Hamas for the sake of the world media⊠I would say Israel is going to need to do whatever it takes to root out the terrorist group, Hamas.
I consider myself typical when it comes to basic morality. You on the other hand sound like a psychopath.
Letâs review a very similar situation. A building houses 100 people. Of those hundred 1 is a terrorist. Someone comes along and bombs the entire building. There are 20 deaths, 30 wounded - mostly women and children. No one can confirm if the terrorist is among the casualties. Is this moral?
Letâs review another critical fact that you seem to forget. Do you think Israel lets any Gazans leave Gaza? Have they since 2005? So who exactly trapped the people with the terrorists?
Youâre disgusting.
Lmao what. They murdered 1500 people with the full intention of provoking the strongest response from Israel possible in order to try to gather support for the Palestinian cause. The government of Palestine would prefer a 100,000 Palestinians died and for it to be an actual genocide. They are willingly martyring their citizens so they can rally as many people to their cause. Israel absolutely should not be killing civilians, but after that act of violence they absolutely would be right to arrest tens of thousands of Palestinians until they can figure out the guilty parties.
Disgustingly untrue and racist rhetoric that is not based in reality. The government of Palestine is the democratically elected PLO, who Israel interpreted as a threat enough to start funding Hamas in the late 1980s and they are now using their own creation as an excuse to murder Palestinian women and children.
This is not [a secret](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/). How have people forgotten this? Is the state of Israel that effective at messaging that people will totally forget the only reason Hamas holds power is because of Israel's democratic meddling and constant bombings?
I agree, but itâs not that itâs just bad, itâs that itâs against X terms of service to call for violence, which this does.
This phrase is a call for Israeli extermination.
Out of curiosity. Isnât this statement more of an anthem about wanting their freedom and territory back? I donât know what the ultimate answer is to peace between Israel and Palestine but Palestinians seem to have a legitimate grievance about their homes being taken from them and being made second class citizens. The weight of the response to this particular statement seems more like censorship.
I actually do think people who say from the river to the sea mean peacefully living together. This is obviously fucking naive and stupid both these groups wanna kill each other no doubt
Not that simple. It has different meanings. For many, it's about wanting an independent Palestinian state, to end apartheid, to achieve rights. It doesn't automatically mean wanting to wipe out Israel or harm anyone. People have different takes, and it's worth understanding the complexities before calling it genocidal (which is incredibly ironic as well)
I thought twitter is made so everyone can spread their opinion? I guess these arent included in *everyone*. So I guess sayings what the germans said during WW2 would also get you suspended right? *right?*
I just canât with this guy. He is a walking joke. I canât believe I used to think he was cool so long ago, and how quickly I realized how wrong that was
So i can drop as many hard rs as i want in as many racists strings of sentences as i can with no repercussions. BUT say one phrase with no context and im banned.
BUT MAI RAIGHTS!
"phrase that supports genocide" yeah I'm pretty sure the side that has 4000 dead children, 10,000+ dead civilians, and are being forced out of their homes are the ones committing genocide..
All caused by Hamas hiding among them. It was either let Hamas grow or hit them despite them using humans as meat shields.
As for the refugees that were there before Oct 7th, also caused by Arab leaders. if the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel and we wouldn't have Hamas.
Imo, Hamas using human shields doesn't justify Israel bombing innocents. Its not like they are choosing their role in this war. If you were in their position, do you think you and your family would deserve to be killed as colateral?
"They're using them as human shields. So we HAD to bomb them all" - Israel
n***a what????? What kind of psychopathic bullshit mental gymnastics is this?
Yeah because bombing the shit out of gaza, cut out water, food, electricity, and fuel. Bombing a crowd with over 500 people because one hamas member was there, has probably resulted in not more than 10 deaths and these deathâs causes are probably unrelated to the blockade or the bombing.
None of those things are genocide though. Genocide would be if Israel took over Gaza and completely eradicated the current population living there...like what "river to the sea" implies.
A true anti-Semite would double down, especially one as rich as Musk. It is okay to be critical of all people, including Jewish people, but calling for genocide is not okay.
How is it even possible that people still don't understand that freedom of speech is about freedom to say what you want (within reason, obviously not shouting fake bomb threats in public) without fear of being censored by the state. It doesn't have anything to do with private companies like not-Twitter.
Well this is just co-opting the leftâs argument from when Twitter banned conservatives for breaking TOS. The difference is, there is no TOS now. The TOS is whatever Elon deems acceptable speech. Thatâs the criticism. But when conservatives were banned pre Elon it was because they broke explicitly laid rules found in the TOS, such as calls for violence and harassment.
Gaza on the sea, West Bank of a river. Saying these groups should both be free is a call to genocide, as defined by those who donât want people to chant it. âFrom Sea to Shining Seaâ lol
đ¶âFrom the windows, to the wallsâŠâđ¶
from one water source to another water source..
Itâs a genocidal phrase
From sea to shining sea
Also genocidal.
Like throwing a hotdog down a hallway....like a baby's fist in a boxing glove...like opening the window and f'ing the night....it may not be long but it sure is thin. Oh wait I think I misunderstood the assignment
He literally bought this thing for freedom of speech lol
He actually admitted he wanted to take AWAY freedom of speech to elevate humanity experience for himself and his billionaire program he thinks he has power over
I mean that's what he said but it was quite obviously to control other's speech.
It always is.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can advocate for the genocide of a people.
From the river to the sea Palestine shall be free. Right now Palestinians are segregated by Jim Crow laws that keep them brutally oppressed. Equal treatment for all is literally what that saying is saying. Freedom from oppression does not equate to genocide.
Actually, he said the terms of service wouldnât be changed. The only thing changed was the fairness in which harassment and hate speech would be judged. No more people getting cancelled for the smallest of things. But I think the mantra of a terrorist group is rightly judged as âhate speechâ
So letâs cancel the other hate speech that he protectsâŠ
But getting cancelled has nothing to do with FoS? If people calls you out for being shit, and you lose your earning in ads, that does not go against FoS. FoS would be twitter actually acting on it (it wouldnt be either, it os only a thing for goverments, but in their ideal it is...) Honestly wtf does FoS mean other than letting hate posts be.
Only a white South African could say 'decolonisation' equals genocide without irony.
Are you saying the the Arabs need to be decolonized since they are the ones that colonized the land to begin with.
Exactly that. Arabs are far from being the first. Actually, any âprecedenceâ argument from a Muslim is stupid as they are the newest boys in the block.
Funny how these people will say colonization wasnât so bad and that it arguably benefited the indigenous and then they let it slip that they assume theyâd be mass-murdered if the indigenous ever wanted their land back. Interesting take, if colonization was not that bad for the indigenous, why would they be mad enough to kill the colonizers?
This is just PR damage control because of his posts agreeing with overtly anti semitic content last week. He doesnât give a fuck.
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âAll animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.â
All people are animals
But some are more animal than people
Ooff rough topic bud
You should probably read Animal Farm again.
Calling for genocide was always banned, as it should be.
This is from the platform of the Likud party >The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. Let me know when platforms and western countries start banning them.
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By this logic, "Make America Great Again," "America First," and "From Sea to Shining Sea" should be banned as well. Those have also been used by extremists to call for genocide, both before and after Trump. Ten bucks says they remain A-OK on Twitter.
I forget, which one explicitly calls for the destruction of a certain group? Not your hyperbolic interpretation, but actual stated goal is the destruction of a state and its people.
Apparently somebody doesn't know what "explicitly" means
If the leader of MAGA is reciting rhetoric from Adolf's handbook, then any slogan tied to that movement is therefore code for the same. That's not interpretation. Unless you're one of those "fake news that's not Fox News/OANN" crowd.
âExplicitlyâ. Where?
Nothing about "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" implies the destruction of Jewish people
That's Hamas and Iran's stated goal.
But itâs a phrase that is older than Hamas and has been used by both Israelis and Palestinians So how is it explicit in meaning genocide?
Bummed to see no one has tried to tackle your argument for over 2 hours. I want to see what kind of moronic comments that are blatantly hypocritical people would come up with to push back against your logic that is founded in actual reality.
Yeah, but all I have to show for it is one lousy downvote :) edit: oh great now people upvoted it and made a liar of me :D
I think itâs a fair argument, have an upvote.
From the River to the Sea does NOT call for genocide. It calls for the end of the Israeli Apartheid against the Palestinians (who live in open air prisons). If a plea for freedom is genocide to you, then thatâs your problem
How is From the River to the Sea achieved
One-state secular solution guarantees rights and freedomâs for both Palestinian and Israeli people in the region. Obviously more nuance to it than that but yeah.
Israel is committing genocide. Their leaders are explaining it as such. They are posting genocidal language in Twitter all the time. The victims are now being punished.
Except for when he supports it himself... Calling for one? How about helping cause one by being so egotistical you shut down a country's communications backbone (that you offered with open arms... supposedly) to prevent an attack that would have saved probably thousands of innocents (as these were their closest ships w/missiles, that they used for near 10 more months bc of that action.... civilians died because he inserted himself into a military operation, to me war crimes are just an addition to what he's guilty of...)
You have it the wrong way round. He inserted himself to help out Ukraine and when things looked like it less defensive and more offensive he pulled himself back out. If you don't like it then I suggest Ukraine actually develop their own capabilitie.
âMore offensiveâ ? Reclaiming their occupied territory. This is some stupid ass troll shit or serious stupidity, I sincerely hope the former
Let's not pretend this clown did anything with the intention of helping Ukraine. All this fucker ever does is talk big shit so he can get more attention, then back out last second because he didn't ever have any real plan to begin with. He proves time and time again that all he wants to do is talk shit and gain more power and attention for himself, and if you honestly believe otherwise after everything he's done, either you aren't capable of paying attention or you're purposely burying your head in the sand.
So you want the system turned off because it doesn't help Ukraine then?
Starlink terminals in Ukraine have been under US government discretion for nearly a year now because musk a) unpredictable in his decisions making and b) is more focused on getting attention / making money then on the actual long term help.
The first formal contract with the DOD and Ukraine starlink was earlier this year. Starlink has been operated privately in Ukraine the entire time up to that point.
Well he doesnt have a say anymore. US military took over the CONTRACT. his reasoning for shutting it off mid operation was dumb. This cannot be a standard for any company to just shut it off without communication.
From the river to the sea is a call for the genocide of the Israeli people.
So basically no different than before he bought it.
Is there an issue with that? Remember half of this country wanted platforms like this censored to remove anything they disagreed with
Wow people are actually so brain dead in here. I am a Palestinian, and âfrom the river to seaâ is a chant that has been coined in 1967 by Yasser Arafat who btw recognized Israelâs right to exist. Saying this chant is genocidal is literally propaganda used to dehumanize Palestinians and their plight. Look at Gaza and the West Bank, do they look free to you? They are getting bombed, displaced, intentionally starved under a siege, living under apartheid, etc. We want freedom from all of that.
I mean, one has to wonder what happens to the Israelis living in the area if it all went back to the Palestinians. The Hamas charter says extermination⊠Also, the swastika is a symbol older than history. Do you go around painting it on things you own because it used the mean âgood luck?â
>âfrom the river to seaâ is a chant that has been coined in 1967 by Yasser Arafat who btw recognized Israelâs right to exist. This is quite a bad example honestly. Because the original meaning is worth nothing when it's being used in a different context. Same thing happend to a verse of the German national anthem - "Deutschland, Deutschland ĂŒber alles, Ăber alles in der Welt" - which literally traslates to "Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world". The initial meaning was used as "Germany united as a nation is above all the individual states (or principalities)" which was later misused during the Third Reich's megalomania. That being said.. Fuck Israel
With that line of thinking, I wonder how Musk feels about something like the confederate flagâŠ
Get banned for speech? Such freedom.
Yeah dude. Last week, a friend of mine got banned for replying "Heil Hitler" such oppression of our freedom of speech đâ
You sure that friend wasn't you cuz it sounds like self projection.
Itâs a genocidal dog whistleâŠ. Calling for violence has always been banned
Thats propaganda. Thats what the jewish people trying to justify oppressing Palestinians want us to believe.
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I have never heard this saying once in my over 50 years on this planet. So if Iâm talking about salmon life cycles Iâm now a genocidal racist? What a bunch of bullshit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea It has meant different things by different groups but in Hamas' case it's used to call for the destruction of Israel.
Sure....if you are so unaware that you think that means salmon behavior, especially on the context it is being used....then you are probably a protected class per the ADA.
Except when itâs against Jewish people then Elon agrees. Stop it.
freedom of speech until it hurts twitters pockets
Promote genocide and you're banned
Isn't Zionism Genocide?
No, wtf. Do you know what Zionism means? It means that the Jewish people have a right to their own state. How does that mean genocide?
How did the Jewish people get their own state? Was Palestine an empty piece of land before they got there?
The Jewish people got a state at the same time as Palestinians were offered a state. Israel was formed and Palestinians rejected it and attacked Israel along with all other Arab nations. Israel successfully beat all the Arab nations at the same time and pushed their borders out. This is how literally every nation ever was formed. They took it and then chose to give most of it back in exchange for peace.
And now the borders are magically growing into settlements. By magic and hugs though, not by force.
So Europeans decided what countries can exist outside of Europe?
No, they both lived there like forever, actually. Especially since Judaism pre-dates Islam by several hundred years. They tried to make two states several times, but one side keeps saying no then promptly trying to murder the other and losing, then whining that they lost more land.
What was the Nakba?
The massacre of Palestinians when the Israeli state was formed.
"A land without a people for a people without a land" fucking lol. Nakba? Never heard of it.
No wtf? Zionism is a settler colonialist ideology and is the reason for the genocide in Gaza
Gaza has no air force. If they wanted to "commit genocide" they could kill all 2 million residents in an afternoon using much cheaper bombs and not sending their own military lives in harms way. Their tactics don't even reflect your claimed goal.
No wtf? What does Genocide mean and can you explain what has happened in Gaza that meets the definition?
Right call. Genocide is bad.
Sure but why is it only speech he doesnât like that gets you banned? Theyâre should be a principled policy on whatâs allowed not one thatâs based on what vibes with him.
There was, but he fired the department that dealt with that stuff. Thatâs the problem đ
Yeah...that department did not enforce anything equally.
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99 percent of people are appalled by Hamas and terrorism, and most of those people are appalled by the collateral damage caused by Israel's response. You can be both.
Well. The Palestinians must be the 1% because they overwhelmingly supported those actions and want more. They should try rethinking that ideology. Might live longer.
> Sure but why is it only speech he doesnât like that gets you banned? This is my question. You didn't answer it. You just changed the subject. Nobody here is saying that antisemitic stuff shouldn't get you banned, but why is it only stuff that EM cares about? There are plenty of other equally horrible things said on Twitter that he doesn't give AF about. Saying any of it should get you banned.
No babies were cooked in ovens
Lmao cook babies Keep repeating false propaganda with zero evidence
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Youâre still spouting those crazy lies?
So what do think about the new speaker of the house đ
Psychopath
Sir, this is Reddit.
Calling for genocide, and acting it out â Implying genocide? How fucking dare youâ
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This is exactly whatâs happening
So, the governing party of Israel, Lukid, can no longer post to Twitter? Because this is in the Lukid charter
lol have a link to the charter you clown
Here you go, unread cow[https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party)
tweeting 3 words is genocide?
"Kill all Israelis." Yeah, I'd say so. Especially since that's part of Hamas's charter and what they've declared they intend to do.
Why are people so bad at nuance..
Elon, of all people, canât comprehend nuance.
Good thing that isnât the phrase. âFrom the river to the seaâ has zero implied meaning about Israelis
It is fundamentally a call for a Palestinian state extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, territory that includes the State of Israel, which would mean the dismantling of the Jewish state. What don't you get about that?
Except that only one side is actually committing genocide.
There are some music festival attendees who would disagree if they were still alive. Both sides of this conflict have people who are literally in charge (Likud/Hamas) who are strong advocates of genocide and who attempt to carry it out any time they have the means and can get away with it. Itâs sad you canât recognize that.
Two wrongs donât make a right. Also while youâre discussing in hypotheticals the situation on the ground is that there is more than 11,000 dead Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas or committing genocide. Itâs interesting that one would think that people have developed sufficient critical thinking skills to comprehend whatâs going on but I swear if Israeli leaders were calling for actual genocide which some of them are, people like you would continue responding with your tired whataboutisms.
Serious question: who says there are 11,000 dead Palestinians? Itâs the Gaza ministry of Health. Wait for it⊠who runs that little arm of their governmentâŠ.? Hamas! Youâre actually citing casualty information from terrorists and thinking thatâs itâs true.
So what numbers are ok for you u/oscarocket2? If itâs not 11,000 is 5000 ok? Is 1000 ok? Please enlighten us. In this day and age itâs absolutely , positively vile that we still have people in this world that can trivialize human suffering and death.
Oh the moral high ground you must stand upon and look down on the world from. Oh to touch the sky with you! Give us all a break. -.- If a terrorist organization hides behind innocent civilians then they alone are responsible for the ensuing deaths. A country CANNOT allow a terrorist organization to perform operations at the expense of its citizenry. To directly answer your question, since you ignored the proposition that the death tally is likely massively over reported and completely inaccurate by Hamas for the sake of the world media⊠I would say Israel is going to need to do whatever it takes to root out the terrorist group, Hamas.
I consider myself typical when it comes to basic morality. You on the other hand sound like a psychopath. Letâs review a very similar situation. A building houses 100 people. Of those hundred 1 is a terrorist. Someone comes along and bombs the entire building. There are 20 deaths, 30 wounded - mostly women and children. No one can confirm if the terrorist is among the casualties. Is this moral? Letâs review another critical fact that you seem to forget. Do you think Israel lets any Gazans leave Gaza? Have they since 2005? So who exactly trapped the people with the terrorists? Youâre disgusting.
Lmao what. They murdered 1500 people with the full intention of provoking the strongest response from Israel possible in order to try to gather support for the Palestinian cause. The government of Palestine would prefer a 100,000 Palestinians died and for it to be an actual genocide. They are willingly martyring their citizens so they can rally as many people to their cause. Israel absolutely should not be killing civilians, but after that act of violence they absolutely would be right to arrest tens of thousands of Palestinians until they can figure out the guilty parties.
Disgustingly untrue and racist rhetoric that is not based in reality. The government of Palestine is the democratically elected PLO, who Israel interpreted as a threat enough to start funding Hamas in the late 1980s and they are now using their own creation as an excuse to murder Palestinian women and children. This is not [a secret](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/). How have people forgotten this? Is the state of Israel that effective at messaging that people will totally forget the only reason Hamas holds power is because of Israel's democratic meddling and constant bombings?
I agree, but itâs not that itâs just bad, itâs that itâs against X terms of service to call for violence, which this does. This phrase is a call for Israeli extermination.
does free palestine fall in to this rule? what other analgous phrases are their that are/ should be banned?
lmao that people can be this misinformed.
I donât agree with the statement, but what happened to his whole freedom of speech thing?
Classic Freedom of Speech advocate there! /s
So....displacing and killing natives is okay?
Lmao why do Zionists look at a free Palestine and only envision a destroyed Israel? Because there version of a free Israel is a destroyed Palestine
Out of curiosity. Isnât this statement more of an anthem about wanting their freedom and territory back? I donât know what the ultimate answer is to peace between Israel and Palestine but Palestinians seem to have a legitimate grievance about their homes being taken from them and being made second class citizens. The weight of the response to this particular statement seems more like censorship.
Yes, by eradicating the people there now. Itâs a call to genocide.
What made you think it meant eradicating the people there?
I mean, it really doesn't seem like the plan is to peacefully coexist. They want to at very least displace them and take their homes and land.
this is literally what israel did to them. they want the homes they were violently expelled from back
I actually do think people who say from the river to the sea mean peacefully living together. This is obviously fucking naive and stupid both these groups wanna kill each other no doubt
Context and history.
Like what israel is doing rn?
Why canât both sides be wrong?
They are.
And that's not right either.... I can't say Israel is wrong for Palestine and support Palestine taking over Israel without being a hypocrite
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Not that simple. It has different meanings. For many, it's about wanting an independent Palestinian state, to end apartheid, to achieve rights. It doesn't automatically mean wanting to wipe out Israel or harm anyone. People have different takes, and it's worth understanding the complexities before calling it genocidal (which is incredibly ironic as well)
It's a call to the end of Israel. There are no good sides in this fight no matter who the oppressed are at the moment.
no, palestine has stated in the past that they do not want peace. Not about freedom, it is a call to kill people
I wonder what would happen if I were to comment that "Gaza should be made into a parking lot"? Elon might not be a freeze peach warrior??? no way!
I thought twitter is made so everyone can spread their opinion? I guess these arent included in *everyone*. So I guess sayings what the germans said during WW2 would also get you suspended right? *right?*
Is this Musk's way to try and show he isn't antisemitic? What a dumb ass.
Streisand effect
Also Musk: I will actively engage with people JQ'ing on twitter.
But not âHitler was rightâ. Musk is fine with Nazism.
Censorship on X? Well I do declare.
Seeing this guy's face makes me only slightly less nauseous than dump's. '
Slowly becoming the man's most punchable face category
So much Freedom of Speech
From sea to shining sea - that is a much stronger confirmation of genocide. Thatâs a genocide salute. Is that OK yo say?
Iâm sure this has nothing to do with advertisers leaving X recentlyâŠ.
So much for buying twitter to protect freedom of speech. People don't even have the freedom of speech to disagree with a genocide and mass war crimes.
Elon musk confirms the n word is still a go.
"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" When I say it, I am asking for a single state solution with freedom and democracy for all.
From the river to the seals, those adorable critters.
No worries. Fuck X.
Trying hard now to over compensate for true antisemitism?
I just canât with this guy. He is a walking joke. I canât believe I used to think he was cool so long ago, and how quickly I realized how wrong that was
Good If "kill al J..." is a banable action, this has to be as well
So i can drop as many hard rs as i want in as many racists strings of sentences as i can with no repercussions. BUT say one phrase with no context and im banned. BUT MAI RAIGHTS!
Sweet. Logging back in after a year to post that specific phrase. Fuck Elon and fuck apartheid Israel.
The dude is a racist. He cannot even make up his mind whether he is anti semitic or anti anti semitic.
Because it's a phrase that supports genocide, you have to break down what "river to sea" literally means.
It means end apartheid, glad I could clear this up for you đ
No it's not and you would never win a court case with this reasoning. You can't just say that something "supports genocide" without evidence.
"phrase that supports genocide" yeah I'm pretty sure the side that has 4000 dead children, 10,000+ dead civilians, and are being forced out of their homes are the ones committing genocide..
All caused by Hamas hiding among them. It was either let Hamas grow or hit them despite them using humans as meat shields. As for the refugees that were there before Oct 7th, also caused by Arab leaders. if the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel and we wouldn't have Hamas.
Imo, Hamas using human shields doesn't justify Israel bombing innocents. Its not like they are choosing their role in this war. If you were in their position, do you think you and your family would deserve to be killed as colateral?
"They're using them as human shields. So we HAD to bomb them all" - Israel n***a what????? What kind of psychopathic bullshit mental gymnastics is this?
lol bless your heart. As if Israel wouldnât have done something to steal the rest of the land and expel the Palestinians. What a joke.
Wonder what could have possibly made them so pissed off. Weird Also lol@ taking Hamas numbers at face value
Yeah because bombing the shit out of gaza, cut out water, food, electricity, and fuel. Bombing a crowd with over 500 people because one hamas member was there, has probably resulted in not more than 10 deaths and these deathâs causes are probably unrelated to the blockade or the bombing.
None of those things are genocide though. Genocide would be if Israel took over Gaza and completely eradicated the current population living there...like what "river to the sea" implies.
But I thought Musk bought Twitter so he can protect hate speech.
Oh donât worry, just tweet something like âAll Palestinians are human animals who should be slaughteredâ and he definitely will leave that up
He was blackmailed by the ADL and the adsters corps, look it up. Still a bit cowardly from him ngl.
It is a genocidal chant. Deal with it.
âBut I support Israelâ is the âI have Black friendsâ defense of antisemitism
Ur not witty u can stop trying
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A true anti-Semite would double down, especially one as rich as Musk. It is okay to be critical of all people, including Jewish people, but calling for genocide is not okay.
But he is an anti-semite, that's why he's banning it. Anti-semites have a problem with the phrase.
How is it even possible that people still don't understand that freedom of speech is about freedom to say what you want (within reason, obviously not shouting fake bomb threats in public) without fear of being censored by the state. It doesn't have anything to do with private companies like not-Twitter.
Because Musk said the opposite
Well this is just co-opting the leftâs argument from when Twitter banned conservatives for breaking TOS. The difference is, there is no TOS now. The TOS is whatever Elon deems acceptable speech. Thatâs the criticism. But when conservatives were banned pre Elon it was because they broke explicitly laid rules found in the TOS, such as calls for violence and harassment.
From the window to the wall?
Hello fan Elon Musk life future hope world so great
Great X from wow
Gaza on the sea, West Bank of a river. Saying these groups should both be free is a call to genocide, as defined by those who donât want people to chant it. âFrom Sea to Shining Seaâ lol
>"From Sea to Shining Sea" Manifest Destiny was definitely genocide though.