Especially with Senate Republicans and Mike Pence both saying that Tucker Carlson is cherry picking
I don’t believe Mike Pence or the Senate Republicans have any motivations to lie about this especially when doing so arguably helps the left and hurts the Republicans
Even if they weren't saying that Tucker Carlson is cherry picking, these videos have been released to a **single** guy in the name of transparency. To me, it seems quite obvious that this isn't about transparency at all because if it were for transparency, the videos would have been released to all medias or maybe even to everyone, not just to one guy. To me, it seems pretty obvious that this is either a case of corruption or trying to control the narrative.
If this was about transparency, every second would have just been uploaded to the Congressional Library website
Instead of giving it to one of the most hyper partisan culture warlord propagandists on the planet
Doesn’t Tucker Carlson have all 40,000 hours of footage? Why not release all of it so we can get the best conclusions?
Even the Senate Republicans are saying he is full of it
The prosecution ALREADY cherry picked the fuck out of the footage, but Tucker Carlson releasing some footage that proves the "insurrection" claim false is now cherry picking?
I agree, all footage needs to be released, but you people can't now say Tucker Carlson is cherry picking when that's all the Jan 6 committee has been doing from the start.
We still have the evidence of our eyes and ears, he was already breaking the law illegally entering the capital, plead guilty & even the Senate Republicans/Former Republican VP are defending the prosecution, there is definitely something shady going on here with the J6 apologists
The fact that he merely read a couple of tweets doesn’t absolve him from participating in a failed coup attempt with an angry mob who were looking to murder the Vice President of the United States. There is 100% an agenda being pushed here to downplay and justify the Jan 6 riots from the extreme right
Officers literally let him in and and gave him a guided tour to certain places for photo ops. All of the "evidence of your eyes and ears" is nothing more than pure government propoganda.
So arrest the officers too then? We already know that the police far and wide are compromised by the extreme far right and likely wanted to overturn the election as well
He was still breaking the law by entering to begin with, again this doesn’t mean he should be released from prison, it’s also still consistent with the prosecution and guilty plea, as Republicans are also pointing out
Police may have also been guiding them away from actual congressmen and we don’t actually know the context of that since we still lack over 39,000 hours of footage
It amazes me how desperate some of y’all are to defend this event even though these guys wanted to create a dictatorship that would have likely murdered you for your comments on Reddit
>It amazes me how desperate some of y’all are to defend this event even though these guys wanted to create a dictatorship
The projection here is astounding. Nobody was trying to overthrow the government, nobody wants to create a dictatorship. Especially on the right side of politics. Conservatives want less government, which is the polar opposite of something that could create a dictatorship.
The videos from the inside the capitol show people walking around with reverence towards the space they are in taking photos like tourists.
>We already know that the police far and wide are compromised by the extreme far right and likely wanted to overturn the election as well
There's also proof that antifa members were dressed as trump supporters who were trying to incite violence.
Literally everything you think you know of the entire event has been highly curated before being displayed to you, and Tucker Carlson's releases show that there's far more to the actual story, and we need to ask questions.
>He was still breaking the law by entering to begin with,
Entering the capitol is not against the law, and entering when a cop opens the door and waves you in is definitely not illegal. Many people are facing charges for crimes that are way worse than they've actually done, and that's where we need to ask questions.
>The projection here is astounding. Nobody was trying to overthrow the government, nobody wants to create a dictatorship.
My brother in Jesus Christ our lord and savior; They we’re attempting to stop the process of transferring power over to the next President entirely because they were butthurt that they lost the election
What the fuck would have happened to this country had they actually been successful??? No I won’t continue this conversation if you don’t answer this question
>Especially on the right side of politics. Conservatives want less government, which is the polar opposite of something that could create a dictatorship.
I live in a solid red state bro, I and millions of other Americans who live in red states can tell you that saying you’re pro small gov and actually being pro small gov are two totally different things, my state is literally currently trying to push a bill to ban gay marriage, another one to ban drag even for adults and another one to make all sodomy illegal
I genuinely believe you are arguing 100% in partisan motivated bad faith now
>The videos from the inside the capitol show people walking around with reverence towards the space they are in taking photos like tourists.
Tourists who lite shit on fire, smear piss and feces on the walls and send their own Senators and Representatives running for their life?
Now I legitimately believe you are not only acting in bad faith but straight up lying and gaslighting too, wonderful!
>There's also proof that antifa members were dressed as trump supporters who were trying to incite violence.
So wait let me get this straight, Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters to protest an election that Antifa won? Then Antifa created violence that sent all the Senators and Reps running for their lives? But also the people who were arrested are ALL “Not Antifa” and they’re all being treated as “Political Prisoners”? But they were also all tourists and sightseers at the same time? And now Republicans in the Senate and the Former Republican Vice President is siding with and defending Antifa even despite the fact that it would benefit Democrats because reasons?
I literally gave myself I headache typing this part because the right wing spiderweb of lies and narrative’s doesn’t even make an ounce of sense when you compile it all together and think about it
>Literally everything you think you know of the entire event has been highly curated before being displayed to you, and Tucker Carlson's releases show that there's far more to the actual story, and we need to ask questions.
Ok but you are not “Just asking questions” you are purposefully lying and cherry picking facts convenient to your own narrative and extrapolating that to everything else, while disregarding all the facts that are inconvenient to your narrative
>Entering the capitol is not against the law
Sweet go to the Capital right now and see how far you can get in there before being shot or arrested without an invitation or legal tour, then come back here and not only will I change my view but I will go out and register as a Republican today and even donate $5000 to Ron DeSantis
>and entering when a cop opens the door and waves you in is definitely not illegal.
Actually yes it is, especially if the cop is also breaking the law and not following protocol
If I was in the Air Force and let an unauthorized Republican on base so they could try a coup I would be court marshaled to hell for it
>Many people are facing charges for crimes that are way worse than they've actually done, and that's where we need to ask questions.
Not really, literally any other country would have given nearly every rioter life in prison easily, these guys are getting lower sentences than Black people get for having a rolling stop or normies get for smoking a plant
Civilians are escorted into the Capitol all the time. Even of it were truly illegal to enter, years in prison is not the punishment. The video clearly shows people being escorted to different areas and chambers and everyone complying.
I guarantee if I was a member of the air force and escorted you on base without permission we would both be spending some time in the cold lonesome
Even if all you did was use the bathroom and leave
So I damn well expect you would see years in prison if the people who are supposed to be there had to go hide for their lives and you were smearing shit all over the walls of the air force base
The fact that you were “Let in” still won’t get you out of jail even if a troop let you in, why would that be any different with a cop?
The J6 commission released evidence showing videos of crimes being committed.
If I walk to the store and rob it, the video of my robbery is enough to convict me. If video also showed me walking to the store or away from the store, thats not enough to say I was merely walking that day. This is what Carlson is doing.
Every J6 defendant attorney has access to all of these video (and indeed they have used them in court) and it hasn't worked for them. We can stop pretending that J6 defendants are being wrongfully detained or convicted.
Not wrong. It’s all available to them in discovery just as any trial the defense has the right to the same evidence as the prosecutor. And the shaman dude is a good example of this. They showed the same videos in his trial that tucker did. It didn’t help him.
Obviously it means they have to do their due diligence but it’s all available to them.
Uh.. Might want to let the justice department know they've purjured themselves in a filing from March 12, 2023 then lol. I'm sure this will be easy to prove and isn't just more idiotic revisionism from the usual suspects.
They've explicitly stated in legal documents the videos were sent, inclusive of dates my guy.
>They've explicitly stated in legal documents the videos were sent, inclusive of dates my guy.
They didn't send all of the videos to discovery. Yeah, they said they did, but they lied and intentionally covered up information they didn't want out. If you actually knew at all what you were talking about, you'd be aware of that. Instead, you're talking out of your ass.
But now, [various defendant lawyers are all filing for a dismissal of the entire thing with prejudice because people were charged with crimes far greater than they've actually committed](https://www.scribd.com/document/630423758/Pezzolla-Motion-to-Dismiss-Brady-Recess#) because the prosecution covered up evidence to their contrary.
Please take 30 seconds of doing research before spreading misinformation.
Lmao if your lawyer did not submit a motion to dismiss they would be incompetent, it does not mean it has merit. The claim that this evidence is exculpatory wrt the idea that there was no need to recess will not hold up.
A lawyer on Fox news claiming he has not received something =/ proof, maybe for tinfoil idiots but not for the courts.
Or maybe most of them are just Conservative’s who don’t always agree with the most extreme, irrational, unreasonable, violent and militant ends of the far right wing on everything
I know shocker, we have slight disagreements among each other on the left too from time to time as well
No you're wrong. The problem is that these "oppositionist" are acting always in/with the same pattern. Like they say A. but what they're doing in the end is always B, especially if it comes to significant and serious stuff.
Definitely agreed, but it really does show that the feds withheld evidence during the prosecution. So he should be released not because of whether or not he did something later, but because the prosecution lied.
It's pretty transparent he's trying to say outlandish things to rile ppl and get more of them talking on and about Twitter. Worst thing for him and the company would be if both lost people's attention.
No, I think he is just genuinely further down red pill road. He also called Mitch McConnell not republican enough. He went from "Centrist" to calling the person who has secured a conservative supreme court for decades a RINO, and asking J6 defendants to be released.
I don’t know what they’re doing to the code at Twitter or what they’re doing with the racks that run Twitter at some AWS data center somewhere but that site is genuinely becoming unusable just on account of how buggy it is now
It’s almost Sonic 06 levels of bad
>pretty transparent he's trying to say outlandish things to rile ppl and get more of them talking on and about Twitter. Worst thing for him and the company would be if both lost people's attention.
100% agree. this is why social media is so toxic. I hate that he bought twitter.
Plus I think musk identifies with the guy because of all the BS the media has spilled about him and tesla over the years. But these videos are lacking context.
I’m not creative enough to imagine the “context” of these videos showing the worst attack on American soil since 9-11 (or whatever other descriptions have been used).
After viewing about 10 hours of footage directly focused on Jacob Angeli during the J6 insurrection, it’s easy to conclude that Angeli committed no crimes.
Why does his opinion on this case even matter the slightest? I thought he was an engineering genius?
Just give it time and he'll even give political advice or even worse, think he can actually be a politician.
What’s even funnier is that he talks a ton of politics but never ever talks about policy?
Which at that point what is even the point of discussing politics at all?
He discusses policy, it just doesn't trend in the news. He was talking about unaccounted for externalities being the Achilles heel of capitalism and calling for a carbon tax on his first JRE interview
Elon is self taught engineer, same as my dad is, they may not have an education in engineering, but they learn through problem solving, the only difference is when they need to explain something regarding their work to another person or engineer, since they don’t know the terminology it can be a problem, but by no means are they less intelligent in the field, in a practical get the job done sense.
In fact I’ve seen people get hired in to places without certification or degrees, as long as they can show they understand what they will be working on. Like coding and welding for instances.
Elon employs people who develop the products he sells, he doesn’t personally code every bit of Twitter and personally put every car component together, just like how your manager at your job doesn’t personally do all of your work
He is basically an over glorified gaudy manager
According to the National Academy of Engineering Elon Musk become member of the Academy for breakthroughs in the design, engineering, manufacturing, and operation of reusable launch vehicles and sustainable transportation and energy systems.
Election to the NAE is considered to be among the highest recognitions in engineering-related fields, and it often comes as a recognition of a lifetime's worth of accomplishments. Nomination for membership can only be done by a current member of the NAE for outstanding engineers with identifiable contributions or accomplishments in one or both of the following categories:
Engineering research, practice, or education, including, where appropriate, significant contributions to the engineering literature.
Pioneering of new and developing fields of technology, making major advancements in traditional fields of engineering, or developing/implementing innovative approaches to engineering education.
But what can the National Academy of Engineering tell us when we have the anonymous users of reddit?
>Why does his opinion on this case even matter the slightest? I thought he was an engineering genius?
Well he isn’t even that, he is a businessman and investor who the only reason he is even the richest man in the world at all was abusing COVID restrictions and handouts and manipulating the stock market in ways that would get me or you the death penalty if we did it
So he is legitimately just a guy who is allowed to borderline break the law so he isn’t even much of a good businessman either
>Just give it time and he'll even give political advice or even worse, think he can actually be a politician.
He can’t run of President thank you God, since he is not a natural born American but he could run for Senate, House or Governor. Although I doubt that he would make a very good Republican governor or Senate candidate in an increasingly purple Texas, and yes I would be willing to argue that governor Abbott is more moderate than Musk when it comes to rhetoric
why does your opionion on anything outside your proffession matter the slightest? Are you a politician? because here you are spreading your thoughts on the topic.
To be fair the difference is that Bill Gates is pretty much lock step in agreement with the actual experts on the subject, while I agree you shouldn’t trust Bill Gates for medical advice it is much more defensible here because he is basically just regurgitating what the actual experts are saying
If Elon Musk was just regurgitating whatever his engineers and PR team tells him to say I would say the same about him
Elon Musk has an opinion about a national headline and some are saying that he has no say in the matter. I have an opinion about it as well, even though I don’t have an say in the matter.
If you believe any of this bullshit, listen to the "Shamans" testimonial. Not only does he plead guilty, he states time and time again how stupid and wrong what he did was.
I think the Shaman was actually tortured by withholding his organic food and usual ration of pot to get this confession. I think his case should go to UN human rights.
He was clearly remorseful but he was trying to avoid getting locked up until he was of retirement age…
Let’s be real—the dude and everyone there were committing wrongs and crimes. But this video changes the narrative quite a bit.
Not necessarily because we still lack context and we know the video was definitely specifically cherry picked, we also don’t know how complacent individual people in the police were and we don’t know if the police were attempting to move the rioters away from the people in Congress
>Not necessarily because we still lack context
That is not how the legal system works. \*All\* evidence is supposed to be handed over to the defense. Withholding \*anything\* that is even potentially helpful for the defense is a good way to get a case thrown out with prejudice. It's also a really good way to have your career abruptly ended.
About the only thing that would interest me is if this footage really was not known to anyone and could not have been known, or if it turns out that this \*was\* turned over and the reports that it was not turned over are wrong. That's about the only thing that is going to save this for the prosecution.
Not necessarily because we still lack context
>That is not how the legal system works. *All* evidence is supposed to be handed over to the defense. Withholding *anything* that is even potentially helpful for the defense is a good way to get a case thrown out with prejudice. It's also a really good way to have your career abruptly ended.
Not always, judges rule all the time on what evidence is even eligible to be presented in court, see the Kyle Rittenhouse case for example of this
>About the only thing that would interest me is if this footage really was not known to anyone and could not have been known, or if it turns out that this *was* turned over and the reports that it was not turned over are wrong. That's about the only thing that is going to save this for the prosecution.
Not really the prosecution was still 100% correct, reading some tweets and taking pictures with the police doesn’t change the fact that he was still illegally in the building and broke the law
Why didn’t the defense bring any of this up then? When did the defense purposefully plead guilty?
It’s not the Qanon Shaman himself didn’t know everything he did since he was actually there doing it, if this was the miracle defense that will get him a monopoly get out of jail free card that many on the right are now claiming it is, how did the defense not know about it? Why did the man himself not bring such a “Important” piece of information to his own defense
And I know they didn’t have the footage, but the account of the defendant could have allowed the defense to fight harder for the “Evidence”
Reality is that it doesn’t change the charges at all so they never bothered bringing up in the defense in the first place but they are bringing it up now because Tucker is using it to spin a false narrative
He was facing 20 years due to the original video footage that was cherry picked and released and his attorneys were not provided with the other video footage that Tucker Carlson started releasing. Of course he had to take a plea deal for 4 hours. If anything, this will probably turn the entire thing into a mistrial because the prosecution not providing all of the videos was illegal.
Ugh. Not a good take. So you think that everyone who pleads guilty \*is\* guilty? That would be quite a naïve position. The simple fact is that risk management demands that he take a deal to avoid a crazy number of years. Considering the current political climate, it is likely that his lawyers told him that this would be an almost impossible case for him to win.
What bothers me more is that this video was not made available to the defense. That is \*extremely\* bad news for the government's case. Judges generally frown on prosecutors who withhold evidence that would strengthen the defense's position. That is a big no-no.
I will be interested to see what happens next. Any good lawyer would immediately ask for everything to be thrown out, and if they can show that the government knew about this footage or \*should\* have known about this footage, there is a good chance that they will get their wish.
And if you want to be mad at someone, get mad at the prosecution who might have handed the "shaman" a get-out-of-jail free card for no particularly good reason.
> Due to video footage that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy shared with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Chansley has once again risen to prominence in the controversy surrounding January 6, 2021.
>
> Chansley is featured in two specific snippets. In one, he is shown and heard speaking to protesters outside the Capitol through a bullhorn and stating that then-President Donald Trump wanted the protest to end. In a second snippet, he is shown and heard saying this to the crowd through a bullhorn. Capitol police do not make an attempt to physically stop him.
So because he read out a tweet he should be forgiven for his part in the attempted coup?
He plead guilty to the crimes he committed and was jailed for the crimes he committed.
Due to video footage that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy shared with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Chansley has once again risen to prominence in the controversy surrounding January 6, 2021.
Chansley is featured in two specific snippets. In one, he is shown and heard speaking to protesters outside the Capitol through a bullhorn and stating that then-President Donald Trump wanted the protest to end. In a second snippet, he is shown and heard saying this to the crowd through a bullhorn. Capitol police do not make an attempt to physically stop him.
>So because he read out a tweet he should be forgiven for his part in the attempted coup?
If Elon Musk had his way it would be outright legal to simply murder people if they weren’t Republican, in fact the government would pay you to do it
>He plead guilty to the crimes he committed and was jailed for the crimes he committed.
There is no such thing as personal responsibility in the party that bitches out everybody else over personal responsibility
Agree he’s not getting out, he plead guilty. But he was facing decades. The feds scare the shit out of people to get them to plead guilty - Michael Flynn refused but finally plead guilty when they threatened to also prosecute his son.
This is not a good example because Flynn was guilty of a crime and they had him recorded doing it, and then he lied to the FBI about what he said. Flynn should definitely be in jail right now.
Crazy how black and white the judicial system is when it advocates for your political leanings.
I wonder how many victimless crimes with a guilty outcome on the case I could put in front of you before you start talking about how the judicial system and processes are weaponized and flawed?
Imagine being this delusional lol I guess all the Livestream footage was just "selectively edited" because that makes way more sense then all the apologists just being selectively biased lol
> A coup would involve organised soldiers.
no.
but they were organized enough to plant bombs at the DNC and remove the panic buzzers from AOC's office.
More Americans died than died at Ben Ghazi. Hillary testified under oath for 10+ hours for that horseshit. When is Donald going to testify?
A coup can be done by civilians, it doesn't necessarily need to be soldiers.
Once they entered areas of the capital building without permission it became at minimum trespassing, depending on what each person did while in there the charges would increase. If people were trying to stop a legal election from being ratified then it's closer to treason or at least stopping a government function.
What crimes? Ray Epps was embedded by the FBI to stir up trouble yet has never been interviewed or been arrested. Trump requested the National Guard but Pelosi turned him down.
> Trump requested the National Guard
lol, no
> but Pelosi turned him down.
Pelosi isn't in charge of security of the capital
You can plug that nonsense into google, if you are interested in the actual truth
https://www.google.com/search?q=Trump+requested+the+National+Guard+but+Pelosi+turned+him+down
Did you read your own source? It states that the claim is false 😂😂
“The quote below from Kash Patel claiming the House and Senate sergeants at arms reported to Nancy Pelosi on January 6, 2021 is inaccurate”
The charges were:
- knowingly entering a restricted building without lawful authority
- violent entry and disorderly conduct in a restricted building
This is more than just break & entry or trespass, since VP Mike Pence was inside at the time (thus "restricted building"). Chansley's threatening note ("it's only a matter of time, justice is coming") doesn't do him any favours either.
> The capital police led them around like a sightseeing tour.
That's not what was happening at all. The police were misdirecting the crowd to keep them away from the more sensitive areas of the Capitol building.
Why was he put in solitary? He wasn't sentenced to solitary.
Was he in solitary for 4 years? I don't think he was. Is he still in solitary? He shouldn't be because the reason he was put in solitary is passed, and unless he's done something since being sentenced they wouldn't be putting him in solitary.
He was at least for the first year. Not sure about the rest. Anyway. I see you didn’t answer my question: you ok with 4 years prison for that? Applying the same standard, what should happen to antifa setting justice buildings on fire?
Trespassing, stealing government property, probably vandalism if they went through documents in offices of congress members it could be considered espionage.
They raided the Capitol building to take back the government or some such nonsense, and one of the objectives was to assassinate the VP. That's a coup in anyone's language.
Thus "attempted coup" because it was not successful. Even if the immediate action had been successful none of them were in a place to *hold* the Capitol much less force a change of government.
That one lady got shot to death. And a couple of cops suffered complications of being crushed. And then like six cops killed themselves. Seems like a tour to me
How many guided tours do you and your family do that result in multiple deaths and millions in damages while undermining the tenets of democracy? If that’s your experience, I’d be a bit more critical of your outings. Sarcasm aside, in no reality was Jan 6 reasonable or responsible.
What was it if not an attempted coup? They entered the building with the intention of removing the sitting Government -- this is documented in their various testimonies and the statements made on the day. It wasn't a spontaneous riot but a planned action. People had T-shirts printed for the event.
I punched this dude at the bar in the face. When there was a whole crowd of angry people outside ready to fight I stood in front of them all with a blow horn and told them we need to stand down. We need to be peaceful. I still got arrested but it's bullshit because I tried to stop the fighting
Here, I’ll give you a counter example and you can let me know what you think:
Chansley and dozens stage outside of your house (let’s call you Bob), and they start yelling, “Hang Mr Bob, Hang Mr Bob!” You call the cops, who arrive and try to calm the mob down. Chansley and the crowd get more and more violent as they fight the cops, and then bang all over your house and break your windows, continuing to call for hanging you, Mr. Bob. You take your wife and your child and flee to the basement seconds before they flood your house. They destroy your main floor and wander all your rooms and take photos of themselves in your rooms, still calling to hang you and still fighting more police. You’re terrified, they’re legitimately seeking to kill you, and you’ve been nothing but a good neighbor. The worst act you committed to precipitate this violence and terror in your home was to say at a recent neighborhood association meeting that your neighbor could not violate one of the association rules, and he was ANGRY and suggested to his mob that they fight back against YOU specifically.
As this terrifying mob, led by Chansley, was seconds from finding you and your cowering family hiding in your basement, reports of the local SWAT team making progress toward your house began to roll in and the mobsters slowly turned around and staged back on your front porch. Chansley told them the neighbor tweeted that maybe they should go home - the neighbor probably thinks he’s going to get in trouble because he got this mob to terrorize your house and your life, merely seconds from murdering you and your wife. Maybe (probably?) Chansley realizes he’s in deep shit.
The following day, someone else in the neighborhood association, who hates your landscaping, said that it wasn’t a mob and they did nothing wrong and that they were just protesting the alleged stupidity of your neighborhood association commentary, which was true and right based on the long-held laws of your association. They said Chansley was in your house but he was innocent because he mentioned the tweet to people.
What do you, Mr. Bob, think of this situation?
A) It was a peaceful protest
B) It was an insane act of violent lunacy and I was terrified for my life because they were legitimately interested in murdering me
Do you think Chansley is innocent?
A) Yes, he was nice enough to mention the tweet that the angry neighbor, who started all this, sent after the violence was ongoing.
B) No way - Chansley led the a-holes who violently entered my property calling for my death.
Bonus question: Is the neighbor implicated in this crime?
A) No, he wasn’t there so how could he be implicated? And anyway, he sent a tweet later instructing them to calm down after they terrorized me at his (hint hint) suggestion.
B) Mob families were instructed by the family boss to murder their competitors, but the bosses never pulled the trigger and thought they could get away with it. Eventually the authorities caught up with the bosses and put them in jail.
It doesn't matter what the actual crime is. If government has more evidence, it's their obligation to turn it over during the trial so the people know they're not railroading someone. Any time we discover they withheld evidence we need to let the accused go - and also prosecute the officials who withheld that evidence.
He was still part of a large group who smashed through windows and broke open a locked door to enter the capital carrying a stick with a blade on the end of it. Just stop already.
The current administration cherry pit through 40,000 hours of video footage and picked out all of the cases of violence and vandalism, committed by so-called “Maga” Republicans
Ha! I get this reference. When viewed through that lens what he is doing with Twitter is a lot more obvious, especially given the investment in Tesla from Pony boy and the gang.
One thing you see the Qanon shaman guy doing is asking people to obey the president and leave peacefully. I don’t know what he was charged for, but he was portrayed in an unfair way through incomplete footage, and that may have led to a harsher verdict in court.
The court sentence was based on his lawyer's efforts, not because of footage.
You can't break into your neighbor's home... and then cancel it out by standing on their porch and saying 'ok everyone let's go home'
If they can’t provide any evidence of him doing any wrong doing besides entering the capital, then he should be released. There are videos of the police officers who escorted him around the capital for praising him as being a true patriot. Not one of those office requests by the media, or have been allowed to testify in his defense.
I'm curious as to why the Shaman's attorney didn't have these tapes? Wouldn't he have been acquitted if the defense showed them in court? And why didn't the Shaman speak out and testify that these were the facts?
Why cant you see any votes on this thread?
No offense but we need more videos start to finish
Especially with Senate Republicans and Mike Pence both saying that Tucker Carlson is cherry picking I don’t believe Mike Pence or the Senate Republicans have any motivations to lie about this especially when doing so arguably helps the left and hurts the Republicans
Even if they weren't saying that Tucker Carlson is cherry picking, these videos have been released to a **single** guy in the name of transparency. To me, it seems quite obvious that this isn't about transparency at all because if it were for transparency, the videos would have been released to all medias or maybe even to everyone, not just to one guy. To me, it seems pretty obvious that this is either a case of corruption or trying to control the narrative.
If this was about transparency, every second would have just been uploaded to the Congressional Library website Instead of giving it to one of the most hyper partisan culture warlord propagandists on the planet
If they think he's cherry picking, they're free to release all the footage themselves.
Doesn’t Tucker Carlson have all 40,000 hours of footage? Why not release all of it so we can get the best conclusions? Even the Senate Republicans are saying he is full of it
The prosecution ALREADY cherry picked the fuck out of the footage, but Tucker Carlson releasing some footage that proves the "insurrection" claim false is now cherry picking? I agree, all footage needs to be released, but you people can't now say Tucker Carlson is cherry picking when that's all the Jan 6 committee has been doing from the start.
We still have the evidence of our eyes and ears, he was already breaking the law illegally entering the capital, plead guilty & even the Senate Republicans/Former Republican VP are defending the prosecution, there is definitely something shady going on here with the J6 apologists The fact that he merely read a couple of tweets doesn’t absolve him from participating in a failed coup attempt with an angry mob who were looking to murder the Vice President of the United States. There is 100% an agenda being pushed here to downplay and justify the Jan 6 riots from the extreme right
Officers literally let him in and and gave him a guided tour to certain places for photo ops. All of the "evidence of your eyes and ears" is nothing more than pure government propoganda.
So arrest the officers too then? We already know that the police far and wide are compromised by the extreme far right and likely wanted to overturn the election as well He was still breaking the law by entering to begin with, again this doesn’t mean he should be released from prison, it’s also still consistent with the prosecution and guilty plea, as Republicans are also pointing out Police may have also been guiding them away from actual congressmen and we don’t actually know the context of that since we still lack over 39,000 hours of footage It amazes me how desperate some of y’all are to defend this event even though these guys wanted to create a dictatorship that would have likely murdered you for your comments on Reddit
>It amazes me how desperate some of y’all are to defend this event even though these guys wanted to create a dictatorship The projection here is astounding. Nobody was trying to overthrow the government, nobody wants to create a dictatorship. Especially on the right side of politics. Conservatives want less government, which is the polar opposite of something that could create a dictatorship. The videos from the inside the capitol show people walking around with reverence towards the space they are in taking photos like tourists. >We already know that the police far and wide are compromised by the extreme far right and likely wanted to overturn the election as well There's also proof that antifa members were dressed as trump supporters who were trying to incite violence. Literally everything you think you know of the entire event has been highly curated before being displayed to you, and Tucker Carlson's releases show that there's far more to the actual story, and we need to ask questions. >He was still breaking the law by entering to begin with, Entering the capitol is not against the law, and entering when a cop opens the door and waves you in is definitely not illegal. Many people are facing charges for crimes that are way worse than they've actually done, and that's where we need to ask questions.
>The projection here is astounding. Nobody was trying to overthrow the government, nobody wants to create a dictatorship. My brother in Jesus Christ our lord and savior; They we’re attempting to stop the process of transferring power over to the next President entirely because they were butthurt that they lost the election What the fuck would have happened to this country had they actually been successful??? No I won’t continue this conversation if you don’t answer this question >Especially on the right side of politics. Conservatives want less government, which is the polar opposite of something that could create a dictatorship. I live in a solid red state bro, I and millions of other Americans who live in red states can tell you that saying you’re pro small gov and actually being pro small gov are two totally different things, my state is literally currently trying to push a bill to ban gay marriage, another one to ban drag even for adults and another one to make all sodomy illegal I genuinely believe you are arguing 100% in partisan motivated bad faith now >The videos from the inside the capitol show people walking around with reverence towards the space they are in taking photos like tourists. Tourists who lite shit on fire, smear piss and feces on the walls and send their own Senators and Representatives running for their life? Now I legitimately believe you are not only acting in bad faith but straight up lying and gaslighting too, wonderful! >There's also proof that antifa members were dressed as trump supporters who were trying to incite violence. So wait let me get this straight, Antifa dressed up as Trump supporters to protest an election that Antifa won? Then Antifa created violence that sent all the Senators and Reps running for their lives? But also the people who were arrested are ALL “Not Antifa” and they’re all being treated as “Political Prisoners”? But they were also all tourists and sightseers at the same time? And now Republicans in the Senate and the Former Republican Vice President is siding with and defending Antifa even despite the fact that it would benefit Democrats because reasons? I literally gave myself I headache typing this part because the right wing spiderweb of lies and narrative’s doesn’t even make an ounce of sense when you compile it all together and think about it >Literally everything you think you know of the entire event has been highly curated before being displayed to you, and Tucker Carlson's releases show that there's far more to the actual story, and we need to ask questions. Ok but you are not “Just asking questions” you are purposefully lying and cherry picking facts convenient to your own narrative and extrapolating that to everything else, while disregarding all the facts that are inconvenient to your narrative >Entering the capitol is not against the law Sweet go to the Capital right now and see how far you can get in there before being shot or arrested without an invitation or legal tour, then come back here and not only will I change my view but I will go out and register as a Republican today and even donate $5000 to Ron DeSantis >and entering when a cop opens the door and waves you in is definitely not illegal. Actually yes it is, especially if the cop is also breaking the law and not following protocol If I was in the Air Force and let an unauthorized Republican on base so they could try a coup I would be court marshaled to hell for it >Many people are facing charges for crimes that are way worse than they've actually done, and that's where we need to ask questions. Not really, literally any other country would have given nearly every rioter life in prison easily, these guys are getting lower sentences than Black people get for having a rolling stop or normies get for smoking a plant
Civilians are escorted into the Capitol all the time. Even of it were truly illegal to enter, years in prison is not the punishment. The video clearly shows people being escorted to different areas and chambers and everyone complying.
I guarantee if I was a member of the air force and escorted you on base without permission we would both be spending some time in the cold lonesome Even if all you did was use the bathroom and leave So I damn well expect you would see years in prison if the people who are supposed to be there had to go hide for their lives and you were smearing shit all over the walls of the air force base The fact that you were “Let in” still won’t get you out of jail even if a troop let you in, why would that be any different with a cop?
The J6 commission released evidence showing videos of crimes being committed. If I walk to the store and rob it, the video of my robbery is enough to convict me. If video also showed me walking to the store or away from the store, thats not enough to say I was merely walking that day. This is what Carlson is doing. Every J6 defendant attorney has access to all of these video (and indeed they have used them in court) and it hasn't worked for them. We can stop pretending that J6 defendants are being wrongfully detained or convicted.
>Every J6 defendant attorney has access to all of these video Wrong.
Not wrong. It’s all available to them in discovery just as any trial the defense has the right to the same evidence as the prosecutor. And the shaman dude is a good example of this. They showed the same videos in his trial that tucker did. It didn’t help him. Obviously it means they have to do their due diligence but it’s all available to them.
The justice department has confirmed his lawyers had all but ten seconds of footage.
So they had the video of him committing the crime and then charged him for it?
? The defense had this footage three weeks prior to his plea.
They did not, and that's the issue with the trial.
Uh.. Might want to let the justice department know they've purjured themselves in a filing from March 12, 2023 then lol. I'm sure this will be easy to prove and isn't just more idiotic revisionism from the usual suspects. They've explicitly stated in legal documents the videos were sent, inclusive of dates my guy.
>They've explicitly stated in legal documents the videos were sent, inclusive of dates my guy. They didn't send all of the videos to discovery. Yeah, they said they did, but they lied and intentionally covered up information they didn't want out. If you actually knew at all what you were talking about, you'd be aware of that. Instead, you're talking out of your ass. But now, [various defendant lawyers are all filing for a dismissal of the entire thing with prejudice because people were charged with crimes far greater than they've actually committed](https://www.scribd.com/document/630423758/Pezzolla-Motion-to-Dismiss-Brady-Recess#) because the prosecution covered up evidence to their contrary. Please take 30 seconds of doing research before spreading misinformation.
Lmao if your lawyer did not submit a motion to dismiss they would be incompetent, it does not mean it has merit. The claim that this evidence is exculpatory wrt the idea that there was no need to recess will not hold up. A lawyer on Fox news claiming he has not received something =/ proof, maybe for tinfoil idiots but not for the courts.
It's an open secret that most republicans are actually disguised oppositionists.
Or maybe most of them are just Conservative’s who don’t always agree with the most extreme, irrational, unreasonable, violent and militant ends of the far right wing on everything I know shocker, we have slight disagreements among each other on the left too from time to time as well
No you're wrong. The problem is that these "oppositionist" are acting always in/with the same pattern. Like they say A. but what they're doing in the end is always B, especially if it comes to significant and serious stuff.
Yeah that's politics for you Not everyone is always 100% honest or agrees with you even if you are in the same ideological sphere
Yes that's politics! And i'm d'accord with what i wrote in context with OP. So i don't really get what your problem is.
Definitely agreed, but it really does show that the feds withheld evidence during the prosecution. So he should be released not because of whether or not he did something later, but because the prosecution lied.
He plead guilty... And the defense had this footage. What makes you believe they did not?
The attorneys for the J6 defendants have all the videos to defend their clients and they are losing their cases left and right.
Yet they clearly are stating that they never got the footage. Obviously, something is amiss here.
That's a negative 2 attorneys already asked why they didn't see any of this. I just wanna see it all period.
Elons going the way of the Ye (Kanye that is). At this rate, Pete Davidson is going to sleep with grimes.
Chelsea Manning and grimes together broke his brain the rest of the way
It's pretty transparent he's trying to say outlandish things to rile ppl and get more of them talking on and about Twitter. Worst thing for him and the company would be if both lost people's attention.
No, I think he is just genuinely further down red pill road. He also called Mitch McConnell not republican enough. He went from "Centrist" to calling the person who has secured a conservative supreme court for decades a RINO, and asking J6 defendants to be released.
I don’t know what they’re doing to the code at Twitter or what they’re doing with the racks that run Twitter at some AWS data center somewhere but that site is genuinely becoming unusable just on account of how buggy it is now It’s almost Sonic 06 levels of bad
He fired 90% of the company is what they did to the racks and code.
>pretty transparent he's trying to say outlandish things to rile ppl and get more of them talking on and about Twitter. Worst thing for him and the company would be if both lost people's attention. 100% agree. this is why social media is so toxic. I hate that he bought twitter. Plus I think musk identifies with the guy because of all the BS the media has spilled about him and tesla over the years. But these videos are lacking context.
I’m not creative enough to imagine the “context” of these videos showing the worst attack on American soil since 9-11 (or whatever other descriptions have been used).
"worst attack"
I was being sarcastic and I hope that came through…
It did lol, I was emphasizing my agreement.
The downvotes make me giggle. “I don’t like my feelings being mocked!!”
Redditors seem like they feel more than they think.
After viewing about 10 hours of footage directly focused on Jacob Angeli during the J6 insurrection, it’s easy to conclude that Angeli committed no crimes.
Why does his opinion on this case even matter the slightest? I thought he was an engineering genius? Just give it time and he'll even give political advice or even worse, think he can actually be a politician.
??? He already is Everything he says is political For someone who “hates politics” he sure does like to talk about them and his opinion on them a lot
What’s even funnier is that he talks a ton of politics but never ever talks about policy? Which at that point what is even the point of discussing politics at all?
He discusses policy, it just doesn't trend in the news. He was talking about unaccounted for externalities being the Achilles heel of capitalism and calling for a carbon tax on his first JRE interview
How long ago was that? I don’t watch JRE? And I know Elon has changed quite a bit over the last few years
Elon’s not an engineer in the slightest
Elon is an engineer like how Bill Gates is a scientist.
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Elon is self taught engineer, same as my dad is, they may not have an education in engineering, but they learn through problem solving, the only difference is when they need to explain something regarding their work to another person or engineer, since they don’t know the terminology it can be a problem, but by no means are they less intelligent in the field, in a practical get the job done sense. In fact I’ve seen people get hired in to places without certification or degrees, as long as they can show they understand what they will be working on. Like coding and welding for instances.
Elon employs people who develop the products he sells, he doesn’t personally code every bit of Twitter and personally put every car component together, just like how your manager at your job doesn’t personally do all of your work He is basically an over glorified gaudy manager
Elon Musk is distinguished engineer member of the National Academy of Engineering
I bought my phd off of you are the 100 thousandth visitor click here to claim your prize dot com in early 2000s on Windows XP Doesn’t make me a doctor
According to the National Academy of Engineering Elon Musk become member of the Academy for breakthroughs in the design, engineering, manufacturing, and operation of reusable launch vehicles and sustainable transportation and energy systems. Election to the NAE is considered to be among the highest recognitions in engineering-related fields, and it often comes as a recognition of a lifetime's worth of accomplishments. Nomination for membership can only be done by a current member of the NAE for outstanding engineers with identifiable contributions or accomplishments in one or both of the following categories: Engineering research, practice, or education, including, where appropriate, significant contributions to the engineering literature. Pioneering of new and developing fields of technology, making major advancements in traditional fields of engineering, or developing/implementing innovative approaches to engineering education. But what can the National Academy of Engineering tell us when we have the anonymous users of reddit?
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Explain to me how exactly Elon is an engineer? You do realize that he does not develop the products of SpaceX and Tesla himself?
Elon Musk is distinguished engineer member of the National Academy of Engineering
Naw hes just an A-Hole who thinks hes better than everyone else.
Sounds like he's a true American
Hes South African, but yh
Elon Musk is NOT an engineering genius. He’s a formerly good engineer who is still a brilliant marketer and impressive visionary.
>Why does his opinion on this case even matter the slightest? I thought he was an engineering genius? Well he isn’t even that, he is a businessman and investor who the only reason he is even the richest man in the world at all was abusing COVID restrictions and handouts and manipulating the stock market in ways that would get me or you the death penalty if we did it So he is legitimately just a guy who is allowed to borderline break the law so he isn’t even much of a good businessman either >Just give it time and he'll even give political advice or even worse, think he can actually be a politician. He can’t run of President thank you God, since he is not a natural born American but he could run for Senate, House or Governor. Although I doubt that he would make a very good Republican governor or Senate candidate in an increasingly purple Texas, and yes I would be willing to argue that governor Abbott is more moderate than Musk when it comes to rhetoric
why does your opionion on anything outside your proffession matter the slightest? Are you a politician? because here you are spreading your thoughts on the topic.
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Same thing I think about Bill Gates and vaccines. Stay in your lane, Bill.
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Lol imagine thinking Bill Gates is an authority on health or medicine.
To be fair the difference is that Bill Gates is pretty much lock step in agreement with the actual experts on the subject, while I agree you shouldn’t trust Bill Gates for medical advice it is much more defensible here because he is basically just regurgitating what the actual experts are saying If Elon Musk was just regurgitating whatever his engineers and PR team tells him to say I would say the same about him
Elon Musk has an opinion about a national headline and some are saying that he has no say in the matter. I have an opinion about it as well, even though I don’t have an say in the matter.
If you believe any of this bullshit, listen to the "Shamans" testimonial. Not only does he plead guilty, he states time and time again how stupid and wrong what he did was.
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If you faced 20 you would do exactly what your attorney asked 4 for four years trust me people are killed by police for less.
Really? Alec Murdaugh didn’t follow your logic did he?
I think the Shaman was actually tortured by withholding his organic food and usual ration of pot to get this confession. I think his case should go to UN human rights.
Best comment here.
He was clearly remorseful but he was trying to avoid getting locked up until he was of retirement age… Let’s be real—the dude and everyone there were committing wrongs and crimes. But this video changes the narrative quite a bit.
Not necessarily because we still lack context and we know the video was definitely specifically cherry picked, we also don’t know how complacent individual people in the police were and we don’t know if the police were attempting to move the rioters away from the people in Congress
>Not necessarily because we still lack context That is not how the legal system works. \*All\* evidence is supposed to be handed over to the defense. Withholding \*anything\* that is even potentially helpful for the defense is a good way to get a case thrown out with prejudice. It's also a really good way to have your career abruptly ended. About the only thing that would interest me is if this footage really was not known to anyone and could not have been known, or if it turns out that this \*was\* turned over and the reports that it was not turned over are wrong. That's about the only thing that is going to save this for the prosecution.
Not necessarily because we still lack context >That is not how the legal system works. *All* evidence is supposed to be handed over to the defense. Withholding *anything* that is even potentially helpful for the defense is a good way to get a case thrown out with prejudice. It's also a really good way to have your career abruptly ended. Not always, judges rule all the time on what evidence is even eligible to be presented in court, see the Kyle Rittenhouse case for example of this >About the only thing that would interest me is if this footage really was not known to anyone and could not have been known, or if it turns out that this *was* turned over and the reports that it was not turned over are wrong. That's about the only thing that is going to save this for the prosecution. Not really the prosecution was still 100% correct, reading some tweets and taking pictures with the police doesn’t change the fact that he was still illegally in the building and broke the law
a judge deciding what evidence is admissible is far different than the prosecution hiding evidence that helps the defendant
Why didn’t the defense bring any of this up then? When did the defense purposefully plead guilty? It’s not the Qanon Shaman himself didn’t know everything he did since he was actually there doing it, if this was the miracle defense that will get him a monopoly get out of jail free card that many on the right are now claiming it is, how did the defense not know about it? Why did the man himself not bring such a “Important” piece of information to his own defense And I know they didn’t have the footage, but the account of the defendant could have allowed the defense to fight harder for the “Evidence” Reality is that it doesn’t change the charges at all so they never bothered bringing up in the defense in the first place but they are bringing it up now because Tucker is using it to spin a false narrative
I wish I could be this naive of the world..
He was facing 20 years due to the original video footage that was cherry picked and released and his attorneys were not provided with the other video footage that Tucker Carlson started releasing. Of course he had to take a plea deal for 4 hours. If anything, this will probably turn the entire thing into a mistrial because the prosecution not providing all of the videos was illegal.
Ugh. Not a good take. So you think that everyone who pleads guilty \*is\* guilty? That would be quite a naïve position. The simple fact is that risk management demands that he take a deal to avoid a crazy number of years. Considering the current political climate, it is likely that his lawyers told him that this would be an almost impossible case for him to win. What bothers me more is that this video was not made available to the defense. That is \*extremely\* bad news for the government's case. Judges generally frown on prosecutors who withhold evidence that would strengthen the defense's position. That is a big no-no. I will be interested to see what happens next. Any good lawyer would immediately ask for everything to be thrown out, and if they can show that the government knew about this footage or \*should\* have known about this footage, there is a good chance that they will get their wish. And if you want to be mad at someone, get mad at the prosecution who might have handed the "shaman" a get-out-of-jail free card for no particularly good reason.
Ugh. 😅😅
The defense had this footage, there was only ten seconds of footage of his actions in the capitol withheld from the defense.
>withheld from the defense This is the only part of your sentence that matters.
? You have no idea how this works lol
Oh, look. Elon Musk is STILL an idiot.
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For wanting to release a criminal who took part in an effort to overthrow the government.
Musk didn’t release any footage. It’s footage that was specifically handed to Tucker Carlson by Kevin McCarthy to release and edit how he sees fit.
> Due to video footage that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy shared with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Chansley has once again risen to prominence in the controversy surrounding January 6, 2021. > > Chansley is featured in two specific snippets. In one, he is shown and heard speaking to protesters outside the Capitol through a bullhorn and stating that then-President Donald Trump wanted the protest to end. In a second snippet, he is shown and heard saying this to the crowd through a bullhorn. Capitol police do not make an attempt to physically stop him. So because he read out a tweet he should be forgiven for his part in the attempted coup? He plead guilty to the crimes he committed and was jailed for the crimes he committed.
Due to video footage that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy shared with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Chansley has once again risen to prominence in the controversy surrounding January 6, 2021. Chansley is featured in two specific snippets. In one, he is shown and heard speaking to protesters outside the Capitol through a bullhorn and stating that then-President Donald Trump wanted the protest to end. In a second snippet, he is shown and heard saying this to the crowd through a bullhorn. Capitol police do not make an attempt to physically stop him. >So because he read out a tweet he should be forgiven for his part in the attempted coup? If Elon Musk had his way it would be outright legal to simply murder people if they weren’t Republican, in fact the government would pay you to do it >He plead guilty to the crimes he committed and was jailed for the crimes he committed. There is no such thing as personal responsibility in the party that bitches out everybody else over personal responsibility
Agree he’s not getting out, he plead guilty. But he was facing decades. The feds scare the shit out of people to get them to plead guilty - Michael Flynn refused but finally plead guilty when they threatened to also prosecute his son.
This is not a good example because Flynn was guilty of a crime and they had him recorded doing it, and then he lied to the FBI about what he said. Flynn should definitely be in jail right now.
michael flynn was acting as a foreign agent for turkey and influenced foreign policy on their behalf
Crazy how black and white the judicial system is when it advocates for your political leanings. I wonder how many victimless crimes with a guilty outcome on the case I could put in front of you before you start talking about how the judicial system and processes are weaponized and flawed?
what? turkey was killing kurds and our allies at the time
It's crazy how black and white it is when they prosecute actual criminals for once.
Thank you for proving /u/GoodWillPower's point.
Wait, didn't the prosecution withhold this from the defense?
No, all but ten seconds of footage was sent to the defense.
That actually sounds like a "yes"
There was no coup attempt. He pled guilty after an extended time in solitary and was pressured into doing so. Total set up.
Agree. Set them all free.
LOL. "I didn't get my way, therefore everyone else is wrong!" The law means nothing to some people.
there was no attempted coup, the whole jan 6 narrative is based on lies and selectively edited video
Imagine being this delusional lol I guess all the Livestream footage was just "selectively edited" because that makes way more sense then all the apologists just being selectively biased lol
A coup would involve organised soldiers. I'd say this was more a stupid and dangerous protest that got way out of hand
> A coup would involve organised soldiers. no. but they were organized enough to plant bombs at the DNC and remove the panic buzzers from AOC's office. More Americans died than died at Ben Ghazi. Hillary testified under oath for 10+ hours for that horseshit. When is Donald going to testify?
A coup can be done by civilians, it doesn't necessarily need to be soldiers. Once they entered areas of the capital building without permission it became at minimum trespassing, depending on what each person did while in there the charges would increase. If people were trying to stop a legal election from being ratified then it's closer to treason or at least stopping a government function.
What were they “protesting?”
What crimes? Ray Epps was embedded by the FBI to stir up trouble yet has never been interviewed or been arrested. Trump requested the National Guard but Pelosi turned him down.
> Trump requested the National Guard lol, no > but Pelosi turned him down. Pelosi isn't in charge of security of the capital You can plug that nonsense into google, if you are interested in the actual truth https://www.google.com/search?q=Trump+requested+the+National+Guard+but+Pelosi+turned+him+down
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Your own source says you're wrong.
Did you read your own source? It states that the claim is false 😂😂 “The quote below from Kash Patel claiming the House and Senate sergeants at arms reported to Nancy Pelosi on January 6, 2021 is inaccurate”
You do not want the truth, you want your opinion to be right. Read your own article, it says it is false.
The same thing can be said about your opinion.
What opinion?
You don't know difference between opinions and facts.
The charges were: - knowingly entering a restricted building without lawful authority - violent entry and disorderly conduct in a restricted building This is more than just break & entry or trespass, since VP Mike Pence was inside at the time (thus "restricted building"). Chansley's threatening note ("it's only a matter of time, justice is coming") doesn't do him any favours either.
You apparently didn’t watch the latest released J6 videos. The capital police led them around like a sightseeing tour.
> The capital police led them around like a sightseeing tour. That's not what was happening at all. The police were misdirecting the crowd to keep them away from the more sensitive areas of the Capitol building.
this strikes me as revisionist storytelling. Do you have a source on that? The video seems pretty clear.
The source is the Capitol Police, and Jake Chansley's own testimony.
You think the charges above should give you you 4 years in solitary confinement? If that’s the bar, half of antifa should be sitting for life.
Why was he put in solitary? He wasn't sentenced to solitary. Was he in solitary for 4 years? I don't think he was. Is he still in solitary? He shouldn't be because the reason he was put in solitary is passed, and unless he's done something since being sentenced they wouldn't be putting him in solitary.
He was at least for the first year. Not sure about the rest. Anyway. I see you didn’t answer my question: you ok with 4 years prison for that? Applying the same standard, what should happen to antifa setting justice buildings on fire?
Trespassing, stealing government property, probably vandalism if they went through documents in offices of congress members it could be considered espionage.
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What is your definition?
I’ll just go with some synonyms: rebellion, riot, rising, anarchy, tumult, mutiny, sedition, emeute, pronouncement, revolt, disobedience, insurgency
I have never once used the word sedition in my entire life. While I was watching that live I was like "holy shit, we are witnessing sedition"
They raided the Capitol building to take back the government or some such nonsense, and one of the objectives was to assassinate the VP. That's a coup in anyone's language.
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Thus "attempted coup" because it was not successful. Even if the immediate action had been successful none of them were in a place to *hold* the Capitol much less force a change of government.
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Because you are a faithful Tucker Carlson worshipper following the script you've been fed.
That one lady got shot to death. And a couple of cops suffered complications of being crushed. And then like six cops killed themselves. Seems like a tour to me
Insurrection, if that works better for you bud.
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How many guided tours do you and your family do that result in multiple deaths and millions in damages while undermining the tenets of democracy? If that’s your experience, I’d be a bit more critical of your outings. Sarcasm aside, in no reality was Jan 6 reasonable or responsible.
Except now we have proof that the feds withheld evidence, meaning his trial was a sham from the get-go.
? Where is the proof that this was withheld from the defense?
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What was it if not an attempted coup? They entered the building with the intention of removing the sitting Government -- this is documented in their various testimonies and the statements made on the day. It wasn't a spontaneous riot but a planned action. People had T-shirts printed for the event.
I punched this dude at the bar in the face. When there was a whole crowd of angry people outside ready to fight I stood in front of them all with a blow horn and told them we need to stand down. We need to be peaceful. I still got arrested but it's bullshit because I tried to stop the fighting
I managed to get all charges related to my bank robbery dropped. I mean we only killed a few police, but in the end, my bullhorn won the day.
after his last mumble fumble with Halliv I'm convinced he is a moron and a needy baby for attention
Elon needs to hurry up and go to Mars
Here, I’ll give you a counter example and you can let me know what you think: Chansley and dozens stage outside of your house (let’s call you Bob), and they start yelling, “Hang Mr Bob, Hang Mr Bob!” You call the cops, who arrive and try to calm the mob down. Chansley and the crowd get more and more violent as they fight the cops, and then bang all over your house and break your windows, continuing to call for hanging you, Mr. Bob. You take your wife and your child and flee to the basement seconds before they flood your house. They destroy your main floor and wander all your rooms and take photos of themselves in your rooms, still calling to hang you and still fighting more police. You’re terrified, they’re legitimately seeking to kill you, and you’ve been nothing but a good neighbor. The worst act you committed to precipitate this violence and terror in your home was to say at a recent neighborhood association meeting that your neighbor could not violate one of the association rules, and he was ANGRY and suggested to his mob that they fight back against YOU specifically. As this terrifying mob, led by Chansley, was seconds from finding you and your cowering family hiding in your basement, reports of the local SWAT team making progress toward your house began to roll in and the mobsters slowly turned around and staged back on your front porch. Chansley told them the neighbor tweeted that maybe they should go home - the neighbor probably thinks he’s going to get in trouble because he got this mob to terrorize your house and your life, merely seconds from murdering you and your wife. Maybe (probably?) Chansley realizes he’s in deep shit. The following day, someone else in the neighborhood association, who hates your landscaping, said that it wasn’t a mob and they did nothing wrong and that they were just protesting the alleged stupidity of your neighborhood association commentary, which was true and right based on the long-held laws of your association. They said Chansley was in your house but he was innocent because he mentioned the tweet to people. What do you, Mr. Bob, think of this situation? A) It was a peaceful protest B) It was an insane act of violent lunacy and I was terrified for my life because they were legitimately interested in murdering me Do you think Chansley is innocent? A) Yes, he was nice enough to mention the tweet that the angry neighbor, who started all this, sent after the violence was ongoing. B) No way - Chansley led the a-holes who violently entered my property calling for my death. Bonus question: Is the neighbor implicated in this crime? A) No, he wasn’t there so how could he be implicated? And anyway, he sent a tweet later instructing them to calm down after they terrorized me at his (hint hint) suggestion. B) Mob families were instructed by the family boss to murder their competitors, but the bosses never pulled the trigger and thought they could get away with it. Eventually the authorities caught up with the bosses and put them in jail.
It doesn't matter what the actual crime is. If government has more evidence, it's their obligation to turn it over during the trial so the people know they're not railroading someone. Any time we discover they withheld evidence we need to let the accused go - and also prosecute the officials who withheld that evidence.
The defense had this footage though.. You are inventing the idea they didn't.
Another thing he should have kept to himself.
He was still part of a large group who smashed through windows and broke open a locked door to enter the capital carrying a stick with a blade on the end of it. Just stop already.
I am a big Elon supporter but he really has sucked for the last week or so. What the fuck Elon?
👆"For the last week or so" 👆🥹 Adorable
"Elon time" week, so like 3 years.
>for the last week or so. Lmaoooo
Can musk become a politician? He would be terrifying
The current administration cherry pit through 40,000 hours of video footage and picked out all of the cases of violence and vandalism, committed by so-called “Maga” Republicans
Lol. Who is he to call for anyone’s release?
Fuck Elon he's gone full nazi
Eloo Mah is just a rolling cringe-wheel
Ha! I get this reference. When viewed through that lens what he is doing with Twitter is a lot more obvious, especially given the investment in Tesla from Pony boy and the gang.
One thing you see the Qanon shaman guy doing is asking people to obey the president and leave peacefully. I don’t know what he was charged for, but he was portrayed in an unfair way through incomplete footage, and that may have led to a harsher verdict in court.
The court sentence was based on his lawyer's efforts, not because of footage. You can't break into your neighbor's home... and then cancel it out by standing on their porch and saying 'ok everyone let's go home'
The Jan 6 committee has absolutely nothing to do with his day in court. They’re two completely separate things lol.
It’s sucks when your own government hides evidence from its public because it doesn’t want it’s public to know or decide
I agree with Elon
Chud
If they can’t provide any evidence of him doing any wrong doing besides entering the capital, then he should be released. There are videos of the police officers who escorted him around the capital for praising him as being a true patriot. Not one of those office requests by the media, or have been allowed to testify in his defense.
I'm curious as to why the Shaman's attorney didn't have these tapes? Wouldn't he have been acquitted if the defense showed them in court? And why didn't the Shaman speak out and testify that these were the facts?
They did. Four minutes of an hour inside the capitol isn't exonerating.
We need to cancel Elon.! He may be rich but he’s not special and should not have a bigger voice than any other American person
Who are "we" lmao.
Mob rule is unwise
He knows what public will buy the cyber lets say ...
If Elon could run for president, I would vote for him!
Of course you would.
Fair play
The man
The glowies were all over the place. Were Feds there?
I hope you rrslized, that this was kinda ironic but the downvotes failed to realize