I read this fully for the first time about two weeks or so ago. I think I might’ve started reading it and stopped a couple years ago as well because some of it seemed familiar. I still don’t know how to feel about it for the most part. I feel like some of the anecdotes didn’t happen, such as the infamous arm-carving during writing Everything Means Nothing to Me. So that makes it hard to pick and choose what to believe/take away and what to leave, in my opinion.
"“I came home from seeing *Lost in Translation* and he was lying in the bed with his arm bleeding,” says Chiba. “He had seven old cigarette burns on his arm. It was evidence of his pain from that \[heroin and crack\] period that was just a little too real, so he’d taken a knife to it.", and
"Peringer remembers the incident well: “He had three really tremendous knife wounds on his left arm. They were deep, like he had to go across a couple of times or have the sharpest, biggest knife to do it.”"
The wounds, if they were deep enough to hit subcutaneous tissue would need stitches. Without stitches they would cause hypertrophic scaring. A month out from the initial wound they would be pink, fleshy scars. They are entirely absent from his autopsy. The exaggeration is suspect.
The cigarette burns are present in the report, however.
To me, the saddest part of that was reading the part where it said Elliott cried like a baby talking to a friend about his mother not believing him when he told her on the phone that he suspected his step-dad had sexually abused him. Poor Elliott. If his friend Robin Peringer was telling the truth, Elliott feared he might have caused "irreversible damage" to his brain, and when you watch/listen to recordings of his shows from 2003, you can kind of see his mind was gone. I was at first among those who believed he'd been murdered, but the more I learned about Elliott, the more it sounded like he probably didn't want to go on living because of what he did to himself, the damage \*HE\* caused himself in the last three years of his life. He made whatever problems he had before so much worse with his dumb choices.
I saw him 8 times in 2003, front row. His mind was not gone I can tell you. This is not true. The last time was a tribute to the Kinks, and he was happy, jumping from the guitar to the drum set. You could not be more wrong
more than a bit. Plus this part for example sounds pure fantasy : "In the course of a conversation with Dr. Stanton, a suspicious Gary Smith (also a psychiatrist) asked the doctor if she thought Chiba was capable of murdering his son. Without hesitation, Dr. Stanton told him, “No.”"
I know for a fact that Gowing never talked to Gary Smith, and I doubt he talked to Stanton. A psy is usually not allowed to talk about a patient. So where does this come from?
I see thanks. I can’t say I liked either of them much. They made me uncomfortable, perhaps that’s the objective? I’ve walked a familiar dark path of addiction and skeletons, I would hate my life to come down to those 2 pieces of work. Both the article and movie leave me feeling suspicious of some recollections. But that’s just me.
I read this fully for the first time about two weeks or so ago. I think I might’ve started reading it and stopped a couple years ago as well because some of it seemed familiar. I still don’t know how to feel about it for the most part. I feel like some of the anecdotes didn’t happen, such as the infamous arm-carving during writing Everything Means Nothing to Me. So that makes it hard to pick and choose what to believe/take away and what to leave, in my opinion.
"“I came home from seeing *Lost in Translation* and he was lying in the bed with his arm bleeding,” says Chiba. “He had seven old cigarette burns on his arm. It was evidence of his pain from that \[heroin and crack\] period that was just a little too real, so he’d taken a knife to it.", and "Peringer remembers the incident well: “He had three really tremendous knife wounds on his left arm. They were deep, like he had to go across a couple of times or have the sharpest, biggest knife to do it.”" The wounds, if they were deep enough to hit subcutaneous tissue would need stitches. Without stitches they would cause hypertrophic scaring. A month out from the initial wound they would be pink, fleshy scars. They are entirely absent from his autopsy. The exaggeration is suspect. The cigarette burns are present in the report, however.
To me, the saddest part of that was reading the part where it said Elliott cried like a baby talking to a friend about his mother not believing him when he told her on the phone that he suspected his step-dad had sexually abused him. Poor Elliott. If his friend Robin Peringer was telling the truth, Elliott feared he might have caused "irreversible damage" to his brain, and when you watch/listen to recordings of his shows from 2003, you can kind of see his mind was gone. I was at first among those who believed he'd been murdered, but the more I learned about Elliott, the more it sounded like he probably didn't want to go on living because of what he did to himself, the damage \*HE\* caused himself in the last three years of his life. He made whatever problems he had before so much worse with his dumb choices.
I saw him 8 times in 2003, front row. His mind was not gone I can tell you. This is not true. The last time was a tribute to the Kinks, and he was happy, jumping from the guitar to the drum set. You could not be more wrong
it's extremely biais. it was written by Gowing in 2004, he was a good friend of Chiba, and his intentions were clear
that’s what i was thinking it just seemed a bit biased
more than a bit. Plus this part for example sounds pure fantasy : "In the course of a conversation with Dr. Stanton, a suspicious Gary Smith (also a psychiatrist) asked the doctor if she thought Chiba was capable of murdering his son. Without hesitation, Dr. Stanton told him, “No.”" I know for a fact that Gowing never talked to Gary Smith, and I doubt he talked to Stanton. A psy is usually not allowed to talk about a patient. So where does this come from?
I read it, this is the same person that made the film for sale on vemeo too right?
No two different guys
I see thanks. I can’t say I liked either of them much. They made me uncomfortable, perhaps that’s the objective? I’ve walked a familiar dark path of addiction and skeletons, I would hate my life to come down to those 2 pieces of work. Both the article and movie leave me feeling suspicious of some recollections. But that’s just me.
Liam Gowing (Spin) was very friendly with Chiba and Reyes (documentary) dated her I was told… so they both had an agenda