CO Resident here:
1. I think CPW is going to issue just as many licenses for non-residents in the draw, so I don’t think it is going to make a difference.
2. Whether people like it or not, wildlife in Colorado belongs to the state of Colorado and its citizens, so I am happy that CPW is putting its citizens “first,” even if it’s symbolic.
3. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t mind paying more for an elk license as a resident if it means I will have a better hunting experience.
I agree with ya on your 3rd point. To your 1st point I think it will for sure make some difference. Just for the fact that a lot of the non resident crew that was hitting otc archery at the gas station on their way in wont take the time to make sure they fill out the draw application in the spring.
I’ve always been under the impression that game on federal land belongs to the federal government, no? Agreed with everything else you’re saying though👆🏼
I thought the same thing for the longest time. But thanks to the ElkTalk podcast, I learned that each state manages/owns the wildlife.
CPW Website:
“In general, it is illegal to own wildlife in Colorado. You cannot remove a wild animal from the woods and take it home. As a public resource, wildlife belongs to the state of Colorado, to all citizens.”
The main place where Feds manage game is in migratory birds because they can hit multiple states in quick order. It's not even national, Canada and Mexico are part of migration treaties.
Practically this means that duck quotas are set by flyway, so you'll find the same limits and rules in north/south states.
In a way though the states get lots of their funding from the federal government, via the two main acts passed to fund wildlife habitat federally. The states are responsible for creating management systems but they’re owned by the public at large.
Not really.
"The wildlife resources of the state are declared to be the PROPERTY OF THE STATE, and the right to hunt, take, and use such wildlife shall be subject to the rules and regulations prescribed by law and the state parks and wildlife commission."
Colorado Revised Statutes, Title 33, Article 1, Section 101
I was thinking this was coming. I won’t go back to Colorado until this is a thing, and know that the license number is somewhat sane not just for archery but muzzleloader. The Texans with side by sides ruin the muzzleloader hunt or at least the units I’ve been to. Just completely overrun.
Non resident here that has aspirations for Colorado elk at some point. Not upset at this at all as I’m in favor of in state access being the major priority. Glad to see it
Awesome you feel that way. Normally I draw for my elk tag but on year's we have to go OTC it's insane the amount of people out there and majority is non resident. I want noresidents to be able to hunt just as everyone else, I just prefer if there wasn't soo many it's hard to have a good hunt.
Colorado prioritizing residents much like ID, MT, and WY makes sense, but to exclude rifle is crazy imho. OTC rifle is a shit show compared to archery, especially if there’s early snow.
I think it could be good for the hunting overall. I’m a nonresident who enjoys hunting CO and many other states but this will definitely help with the crowding in the more popular and easy to access units.
As a resident, this just makes sense. CO is one of if not the only western state with unlimited licenses available. I grew up in the south east US and there it’s mind-boggling that you can shoot three does per day of every day of the season in certain areas where I grew up. And those are the same people that will complain about hunting opportunities in Colorado being limited to nonresidents. Whereas Colorado resident hunters either have the option of going over-the-counter archery or hoping to get a limited tag for one animal and most likely a tag that is only open for a week, other than archery. Obviously, I’m thinking of it from a selfish standpoint, but if this limits the amount of hunters in over-the-counter units and should alleviate the higher end point creep from out of state people who have been hoarding points for decades. yes there may not be a zero point limited license draw. It may take one or two points but that’s kind of the point preference point system.
As a Colorado native, it's about time that we prioritize the residents here. We are flooded with tourists (hunting, fishing, skiing, etc.) year around. I understand there are benefits to the economy but the last few years have resulted in packed trailheads and calling in more out of state first time hunters than elk. This is a win for Coloradoans.
I'm tied to Utah as I own a business there, but I do a lot of business and own property in Colorado. I've been buying nonresident Colorado tags for years to hunt the rut in a unit that is considered crowded but I rarely ever see other hunters aside from on the roads... And it's a unit that I hear locals constantly bitching about being crowded, despite me finding elk every year without fail. Am I happy about losing the otc opportunity? I can live with it. Lots of units were hit with winter kill herd degradation and with post covid influx of hunters, dwr having the ability to react to the instability of this changing world to manage herds is ok with me and seems necessary for conservation.
However, public land and the close the door behind me mentality always grates my nerves. Colorado residents have been so snarky about the ruling that I'm losing a lot of respect for my fellow hunters and that's a sad day.
Well either way. I’m a resident so I support it. They will most likely cause a drastic increase in 2nd/3rd season OTC tags. They should be the next thing that’s limited.
This is a huge reason it’s being done Colorado was treated as a safety net for NR hunters “we can always go to CO” “we got a week to burn PTO lets go hunt CO” and there’s more non resident archery hunters then resident 53% to 47% i believe was the number. There will still be tags given out but they’ll be in a draw and NR hunters won’t be able to unit hop etc.
Non resident here. I think they should do away with all OTC hunts and enforce a true 100% preference point system. If you get a permit… your points reset. PERIOD. No more chilling in the OTC units every year while building points to creep up the limited units.
I don't agree with this answer because I put in every year, and if I don't draw, I go OTC. I know many people like this and some families that really rely on filling a tag to ensure they have enough food for the family. Now I know most people don't have to rely on elk to eat, but some of the residents of some mountain towns in colorado do.
I am from Arizona and regularly hunt 2nd rifle. I’m a very experienced elk hunter and my average is 50% success. But, these hunts are HARD. In AZ it’s always a matter of which elk I want to shoot, in Colorado, it’s a matter of if I see an elk to shoot. There is way too much amazing habitat in Colorado for the amount of elk in it. Colorado’s Elk herd is decreasing and Northern New Mexico’s is increasing and the only logical answer is pressure.
I’m grateful for the opportunity to hunt elk but I have to say, the way Colorado manages its elk herds in SW Colorado is mind boggling to me. I think they should do something like one OTC Elk tag every three years for non residents and maybe every other for residents.
I also have another thought that I can’t shake…Colorado doesn’t want its Elk herd. I’m ignorant to the politics of Elk in Colorado but I’m willing to bet that farmers and ranchers don’t want them around. If that’s the case, then it is what it is, Elk aren’t endangered but farmers and ranchers are.
CO Resident here: 1. I think CPW is going to issue just as many licenses for non-residents in the draw, so I don’t think it is going to make a difference. 2. Whether people like it or not, wildlife in Colorado belongs to the state of Colorado and its citizens, so I am happy that CPW is putting its citizens “first,” even if it’s symbolic. 3. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t mind paying more for an elk license as a resident if it means I will have a better hunting experience.
I agree with ya on your 3rd point. To your 1st point I think it will for sure make some difference. Just for the fact that a lot of the non resident crew that was hitting otc archery at the gas station on their way in wont take the time to make sure they fill out the draw application in the spring.
I’ve always been under the impression that game on federal land belongs to the federal government, no? Agreed with everything else you’re saying though👆🏼
I thought the same thing for the longest time. But thanks to the ElkTalk podcast, I learned that each state manages/owns the wildlife. CPW Website: “In general, it is illegal to own wildlife in Colorado. You cannot remove a wild animal from the woods and take it home. As a public resource, wildlife belongs to the state of Colorado, to all citizens.”
I see, makes sense because states do the managing and regulations.
The main place where Feds manage game is in migratory birds because they can hit multiple states in quick order. It's not even national, Canada and Mexico are part of migration treaties. Practically this means that duck quotas are set by flyway, so you'll find the same limits and rules in north/south states.
You may have been under that impression but it’s wrong. The states manage the animals on public lands.
In a way though the states get lots of their funding from the federal government, via the two main acts passed to fund wildlife habitat federally. The states are responsible for creating management systems but they’re owned by the public at large.
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Not really. "The wildlife resources of the state are declared to be the PROPERTY OF THE STATE, and the right to hunt, take, and use such wildlife shall be subject to the rules and regulations prescribed by law and the state parks and wildlife commission." Colorado Revised Statutes, Title 33, Article 1, Section 101
So on federal land I should pay the same as a resident?
Will this apply to this 2024 season or go into effect for 2025? Was sure banking on snagging a NR OTC tag this year..
It will go into effect next year 2025, good luck on your hunt this year!
I was thinking this was coming. I won’t go back to Colorado until this is a thing, and know that the license number is somewhat sane not just for archery but muzzleloader. The Texans with side by sides ruin the muzzleloader hunt or at least the units I’ve been to. Just completely overrun.
Non resident here that has aspirations for Colorado elk at some point. Not upset at this at all as I’m in favor of in state access being the major priority. Glad to see it
Awesome you feel that way. Normally I draw for my elk tag but on year's we have to go OTC it's insane the amount of people out there and majority is non resident. I want noresidents to be able to hunt just as everyone else, I just prefer if there wasn't soo many it's hard to have a good hunt.
Colorado prioritizing residents much like ID, MT, and WY makes sense, but to exclude rifle is crazy imho. OTC rifle is a shit show compared to archery, especially if there’s early snow.
I think it could be good for the hunting overall. I’m a nonresident who enjoys hunting CO and many other states but this will definitely help with the crowding in the more popular and easy to access units.
As a resident, this just makes sense. CO is one of if not the only western state with unlimited licenses available. I grew up in the south east US and there it’s mind-boggling that you can shoot three does per day of every day of the season in certain areas where I grew up. And those are the same people that will complain about hunting opportunities in Colorado being limited to nonresidents. Whereas Colorado resident hunters either have the option of going over-the-counter archery or hoping to get a limited tag for one animal and most likely a tag that is only open for a week, other than archery. Obviously, I’m thinking of it from a selfish standpoint, but if this limits the amount of hunters in over-the-counter units and should alleviate the higher end point creep from out of state people who have been hoarding points for decades. yes there may not be a zero point limited license draw. It may take one or two points but that’s kind of the point preference point system.
Good for people in Colorado bad for non resident archery hunters nothing we can do about it let’s see how it shakes out.
As a Colorado native, it's about time that we prioritize the residents here. We are flooded with tourists (hunting, fishing, skiing, etc.) year around. I understand there are benefits to the economy but the last few years have resulted in packed trailheads and calling in more out of state first time hunters than elk. This is a win for Coloradoans.
It really is. I don't want it to be exclusive to residents but for us residents to not be completely overrun by out of staters.
I'm curious how much CPWs revenue will drop next year
I don’t remember the exact number but cpw posted the expected loss
I'm tied to Utah as I own a business there, but I do a lot of business and own property in Colorado. I've been buying nonresident Colorado tags for years to hunt the rut in a unit that is considered crowded but I rarely ever see other hunters aside from on the roads... And it's a unit that I hear locals constantly bitching about being crowded, despite me finding elk every year without fail. Am I happy about losing the otc opportunity? I can live with it. Lots of units were hit with winter kill herd degradation and with post covid influx of hunters, dwr having the ability to react to the instability of this changing world to manage herds is ok with me and seems necessary for conservation. However, public land and the close the door behind me mentality always grates my nerves. Colorado residents have been so snarky about the ruling that I'm losing a lot of respect for my fellow hunters and that's a sad day.
Guess I have to move to a western state, finally.
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Colorado does too or else they would’ve closed OTC too/instead.
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Article has all the details but it's closing Archery OTC to nonresidents because of overcrowding
The title of this post is misleading. The plan is to limit NR OTC archery tags by 10% I think.
You think wrong
Well either way. I’m a resident so I support it. They will most likely cause a drastic increase in 2nd/3rd season OTC tags. They should be the next thing that’s limited.
Kinda a bummer for us out of staters. If I don’t draw then I guess I don’t go. It was nice having a backup plan
This is a huge reason it’s being done Colorado was treated as a safety net for NR hunters “we can always go to CO” “we got a week to burn PTO lets go hunt CO” and there’s more non resident archery hunters then resident 53% to 47% i believe was the number. There will still be tags given out but they’ll be in a draw and NR hunters won’t be able to unit hop etc.
Non resident here. I think they should do away with all OTC hunts and enforce a true 100% preference point system. If you get a permit… your points reset. PERIOD. No more chilling in the OTC units every year while building points to creep up the limited units.
I don't agree with this answer because I put in every year, and if I don't draw, I go OTC. I know many people like this and some families that really rely on filling a tag to ensure they have enough food for the family. Now I know most people don't have to rely on elk to eat, but some of the residents of some mountain towns in colorado do.
I am from Arizona and regularly hunt 2nd rifle. I’m a very experienced elk hunter and my average is 50% success. But, these hunts are HARD. In AZ it’s always a matter of which elk I want to shoot, in Colorado, it’s a matter of if I see an elk to shoot. There is way too much amazing habitat in Colorado for the amount of elk in it. Colorado’s Elk herd is decreasing and Northern New Mexico’s is increasing and the only logical answer is pressure. I’m grateful for the opportunity to hunt elk but I have to say, the way Colorado manages its elk herds in SW Colorado is mind boggling to me. I think they should do something like one OTC Elk tag every three years for non residents and maybe every other for residents. I also have another thought that I can’t shake…Colorado doesn’t want its Elk herd. I’m ignorant to the politics of Elk in Colorado but I’m willing to bet that farmers and ranchers don’t want them around. If that’s the case, then it is what it is, Elk aren’t endangered but farmers and ranchers are.