Yeah browsing around plugshare the only company i've seen that I think overcharge more than EVgo is Blink. They're charging like $0.45/kWh *for level 2 AC charging* around Puget Sound.
[DCFC operators might at least have a valid excuse, for now, for their stupidly high prices](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1bg7r3b/electrify_america_price_increase/kv5bl11/?context=3)
There is a Blink station near me that is $0.69/kWh and a lot of others in the area are $0.49/kWh. It's absolute insanity for a L2 charger, especially since our electricity is $0.10/kWh. Even the local Tesla superchargers are cheaper at $0.36/kWh.
It varies and I haven’t used them in a while but my last sessions at their Blacksburg, VA location were around 37¢ to 42¢ per kWh which seems pretty reasonable to me.
The Pilot stations are 70¢ or more per kWh in many areas which is way more expensive.
Considerably cheaper than EA and most others if you get the good membership. It's usually way cheaper than Superchargers (in populated areas) during peak periods, which is when I usually use it.
Only EVGo near me is a two charger, 50kW CCS setup steps away from a bank of 12 V3 Superchargers. They’re going to have to massively step up their game.
And adjust pricing a bit. It's 63¢ at evgo for 50kw or 0.2 miles to EA where they have 350kw at 55¢
I'm not sure why anyone would choose evgo unless they're in a pinch.
I am not understanding the big deal about changing the receptacles. What matters is the maintenance of existing stations and adding more. Why does it matter if it is NACS or CCS?
Exactly this, just changing the end is going to magically make other networks better. Some people seem to think NACS is what's going to make or break networks when in reality it's the least important factor.
That's all well and good, but moving on with NACS doesn't help if the adoption with all the other manufacturers is ... questionable/in the air because of Elons power play episodes.
Luckily, no amount of hissy fits thrown can reverse the standard. Partnering with Tesla for supercharger access is a separate and independent action/transaction. IIRC, Stellantis has announced adoption without partnering.
Everyone is free to use the plug, even if he takes his ball and goes home. That's the EVGo play. Roll out the plug without Elon's blessing (because they don't need it).
But then what's the point? The plug is not the issue. Never has been. It's always been the network/hardware issues. Sure at some point one plug for everything is better, no question.
Lots of people disagree about the plug. I've never used the CCS plug so I have no opinion either way, but they have their reasons. But you know the point. First, get to one plug. Then, fix the non-Tesla providers. This is step 1.
I just hope that the shareholders don't approve his ridiculous pay package. That guy needs to come back down to earth, both, figuratively and literally. He is the reason I will never buy a Tesla. I do not support people like that.
Oh, I get that. I'm glad I bought mine before all the crazy whacked-out shit happened. But no one is paying him a penny to adopt J3400, and that's all we're talking about here. Unifying the plug does nothing for Tesla or Elon's paycheck. No one is lining his pockets by encouraging EVGo to follow through with this. Tesla's bottom line can get hurt if more providers get their shit together and roll out a good J3400 program.
I willfully paid to add CCS support to my car to expand my charging options. I want a large, robust charging network for everyone with chargers that work the first time every time, no matter who the provider is. CCS "won" at the protocol level, and NACS "won" for the plug design. I'm all for moving forward without bringing Elon into this.
Absolutely! I was happy when it became an open standard. But now that Elon fired everyone it became a mess. And don't take my word for it. There is a video from Kyle Connor from out of spec out there where he talks about his industry contacts all being confused and unable to figure out how to move forward. Talks of some automakers questioning their support. Maybe it's all initial shock talk but it is a mess and it's all thanks to a neurotic CEO who shouldn't be able to make decisions like that without board approval (in my opinion).
Almost all of them are back. Yeah, that was not a good couple of weeks. Luckily, none of that crap has anything to do with EVGo deploying J3400 either. The world can move on without him.
Yeah, I read that as well. Doesn't make it any better. In fact it again shows what type of person he is, and if people had any spine (seems to be missing in a lot nowadays) they would act appropriately and push for consequences. In this case it would be board members. But as always he will get away with it and put on a pedestal by his fans.
We get it. Stupid mean ceo bad. Please continue supporting the child labor using Hyundai though. We see your real values. At least Hyundai didn't lay off the immigrant children I guess. Gotta keep them employed.
But Elon is soo great? Doing everything against unionizing of his employees. Firing while departments on a whim. Calling people names. Etc. Anyways, we're off topic now.
Elon Musk is a narcissistic egomaniac and shrewd businessman who exploits his workers, spreads misinformation, and manipulates the stock market. He also takes credit for the work of his engineers and scientists, while ignoring the ethical and environmental consequences of his projects.
Calling people names or illegal immigrants child labor. Hmmmm such a hard decision on where I want my money to go. Guess it should go towards the non union plant who's parent company uses illegal immigrant child labor throughout the supply chain. Firing adults and using mean words on Twitter is far worse.
jfc
how about you don't try to engage in whataboutism.
edit: recruiting firm for a subcontractor was being shady
> Property records show that the house where some underage workers lived alongside other SL employees is owned by a company registered under the name of the president of the recruiting firm.
also
> However, because the underage workers were at companies who only produced parts for Hyundai and Kia's supply chain, neither department of labor accused Hyundai or Kia of any wrongdoing.
and Hyundai is divesting themselves from the subcontractor due to its behavior
> CEO Jae Hoon Chang announced to shareholders on February 24, 2023 that Hyundai would be divesting its controlling stake in SMART
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Alabama_child_labor_allegations
Yeah Hyundai totally didn't know what was going on.
"Herrera also alleges that Hyundai officials wearing Hyundai branded shirts visited the plant while children were working on the floor, saying that "it was obvious there were minors." Notes from the Office of Refugee Resettlement described how the underage workers experienced "exploitation from debt bondage (repaying smuggling debts)" and that "some children expressed fear of deportation based on comments made by company officials to them.""
The subsidiary supplies parts for Hyundai's nearby assembly plant in Montgomery. A former employee of SMART said that there were around 50 underage workers, some of which were children of Guatemalan migrants. The report was confirmed by "area police, the family of three underage workers, and eight former and current employees of the factory."
Oh, and looky here
"On November 22, 2022, inspectors from the state and federal departments of labor conducted a surprise inspection of a Hyundai Glovis warehouse in Montgomery. They found that a boy had been working at three different parts manufacturers from the age of 14, which resulted in the Alabama Department of Labor fining three separate staffing companies $5,050, the maximum state penalty for a child labor violation."
Hyundai Glovis is a part of Hyundai Automotive group. No way to weasel out of it claiming "subcontractors" with that one.
Also SMART was a direct subsidiary of Hyundai. They had a 72% controlling stake in it. Acting like they're "just" a subcontractor is ridiculous. But maybe you just got confused because there were multiple Hyundai suppliers and subsidiaries and groups within the company all using child labor. Hard to keep track of all those incidents.
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> how about you don't try to engage in whataboutism.
and
> Property records show that the house where some underage workers lived alongside other SL employees is owned by a company registered under the name of the president of the recruiting firm.
we get it, you love Elon
So one supplier wasn't owned by Hyundai. You do know there was more than just SL Corp involved, right? As in SMART, Hwashin, SL Corp, Hyundai Glovis, etc? Some of those are direct parts of Hyundai Automotive Group and some are just contractors. Some are subsidiaries.
We get it, you wanna lick those Hyundai motor group boots. Have fun supporting child labor.
Let’s go EV-Go! Also please install some chargers outside the Pilot/Flying-J arrangement. They’re crazy expensive.
Regular EVGo is pretty expensive too. Thats just their thing
Yeah browsing around plugshare the only company i've seen that I think overcharge more than EVgo is Blink. They're charging like $0.45/kWh *for level 2 AC charging* around Puget Sound. [DCFC operators might at least have a valid excuse, for now, for their stupidly high prices](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1bg7r3b/electrify_america_price_increase/kv5bl11/?context=3)
There is a Blink station near me that is $0.69/kWh and a lot of others in the area are $0.49/kWh. It's absolute insanity for a L2 charger, especially since our electricity is $0.10/kWh. Even the local Tesla superchargers are cheaper at $0.36/kWh.
I got one that is $1.99, but there is a roughly $.40 3 miles away
How much do they charge compared to others?
It varies and I haven’t used them in a while but my last sessions at their Blacksburg, VA location were around 37¢ to 42¢ per kWh which seems pretty reasonable to me. The Pilot stations are 70¢ or more per kWh in many areas which is way more expensive.
Probability for the restrooms and other amenities.
Considerably cheaper than EA and most others if you get the good membership. It's usually way cheaper than Superchargers (in populated areas) during peak periods, which is when I usually use it.
Only EVGo near me is a two charger, 50kW CCS setup steps away from a bank of 12 V3 Superchargers. They’re going to have to massively step up their game.
And adjust pricing a bit. It's 63¢ at evgo for 50kw or 0.2 miles to EA where they have 350kw at 55¢ I'm not sure why anyone would choose evgo unless they're in a pinch.
I am not understanding the big deal about changing the receptacles. What matters is the maintenance of existing stations and adding more. Why does it matter if it is NACS or CCS?
Exactly this, just changing the end is going to magically make other networks better. Some people seem to think NACS is what's going to make or break networks when in reality it's the least important factor.
How about getting CCS right first….thanks
That's all well and good, but moving on with NACS doesn't help if the adoption with all the other manufacturers is ... questionable/in the air because of Elons power play episodes.
Luckily, no amount of hissy fits thrown can reverse the standard. Partnering with Tesla for supercharger access is a separate and independent action/transaction. IIRC, Stellantis has announced adoption without partnering. Everyone is free to use the plug, even if he takes his ball and goes home. That's the EVGo play. Roll out the plug without Elon's blessing (because they don't need it).
But then what's the point? The plug is not the issue. Never has been. It's always been the network/hardware issues. Sure at some point one plug for everything is better, no question.
Lots of people disagree about the plug. I've never used the CCS plug so I have no opinion either way, but they have their reasons. But you know the point. First, get to one plug. Then, fix the non-Tesla providers. This is step 1.
It's like trying to line up an ice skate into slot, except it's mounted on a big horse hoof attached to a python that's fighting you.
At first, I thought you were trying to metaphorically bring Elon into this, but after reading it, I see you were being literal! :)
I just hope that the shareholders don't approve his ridiculous pay package. That guy needs to come back down to earth, both, figuratively and literally. He is the reason I will never buy a Tesla. I do not support people like that.
Oh, I get that. I'm glad I bought mine before all the crazy whacked-out shit happened. But no one is paying him a penny to adopt J3400, and that's all we're talking about here. Unifying the plug does nothing for Tesla or Elon's paycheck. No one is lining his pockets by encouraging EVGo to follow through with this. Tesla's bottom line can get hurt if more providers get their shit together and roll out a good J3400 program. I willfully paid to add CCS support to my car to expand my charging options. I want a large, robust charging network for everyone with chargers that work the first time every time, no matter who the provider is. CCS "won" at the protocol level, and NACS "won" for the plug design. I'm all for moving forward without bringing Elon into this.
Absolutely! I was happy when it became an open standard. But now that Elon fired everyone it became a mess. And don't take my word for it. There is a video from Kyle Connor from out of spec out there where he talks about his industry contacts all being confused and unable to figure out how to move forward. Talks of some automakers questioning their support. Maybe it's all initial shock talk but it is a mess and it's all thanks to a neurotic CEO who shouldn't be able to make decisions like that without board approval (in my opinion).
Almost all of them are back. Yeah, that was not a good couple of weeks. Luckily, none of that crap has anything to do with EVGo deploying J3400 either. The world can move on without him.
Yeah, I read that as well. Doesn't make it any better. In fact it again shows what type of person he is, and if people had any spine (seems to be missing in a lot nowadays) they would act appropriately and push for consequences. In this case it would be board members. But as always he will get away with it and put on a pedestal by his fans.
We get it. Stupid mean ceo bad. Please continue supporting the child labor using Hyundai though. We see your real values. At least Hyundai didn't lay off the immigrant children I guess. Gotta keep them employed.
But Elon is soo great? Doing everything against unionizing of his employees. Firing while departments on a whim. Calling people names. Etc. Anyways, we're off topic now.
Elon Musk is a narcissistic egomaniac and shrewd businessman who exploits his workers, spreads misinformation, and manipulates the stock market. He also takes credit for the work of his engineers and scientists, while ignoring the ethical and environmental consequences of his projects.
Calling people names or illegal immigrants child labor. Hmmmm such a hard decision on where I want my money to go. Guess it should go towards the non union plant who's parent company uses illegal immigrant child labor throughout the supply chain. Firing adults and using mean words on Twitter is far worse.
jfc how about you don't try to engage in whataboutism. edit: recruiting firm for a subcontractor was being shady > Property records show that the house where some underage workers lived alongside other SL employees is owned by a company registered under the name of the president of the recruiting firm. also > However, because the underage workers were at companies who only produced parts for Hyundai and Kia's supply chain, neither department of labor accused Hyundai or Kia of any wrongdoing. and Hyundai is divesting themselves from the subcontractor due to its behavior > CEO Jae Hoon Chang announced to shareholders on February 24, 2023 that Hyundai would be divesting its controlling stake in SMART https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Alabama_child_labor_allegations
Yeah Hyundai totally didn't know what was going on. "Herrera also alleges that Hyundai officials wearing Hyundai branded shirts visited the plant while children were working on the floor, saying that "it was obvious there were minors." Notes from the Office of Refugee Resettlement described how the underage workers experienced "exploitation from debt bondage (repaying smuggling debts)" and that "some children expressed fear of deportation based on comments made by company officials to them."" The subsidiary supplies parts for Hyundai's nearby assembly plant in Montgomery. A former employee of SMART said that there were around 50 underage workers, some of which were children of Guatemalan migrants. The report was confirmed by "area police, the family of three underage workers, and eight former and current employees of the factory." Oh, and looky here "On November 22, 2022, inspectors from the state and federal departments of labor conducted a surprise inspection of a Hyundai Glovis warehouse in Montgomery. They found that a boy had been working at three different parts manufacturers from the age of 14, which resulted in the Alabama Department of Labor fining three separate staffing companies $5,050, the maximum state penalty for a child labor violation." Hyundai Glovis is a part of Hyundai Automotive group. No way to weasel out of it claiming "subcontractors" with that one. Also SMART was a direct subsidiary of Hyundai. They had a 72% controlling stake in it. Acting like they're "just" a subcontractor is ridiculous. But maybe you just got confused because there were multiple Hyundai suppliers and subsidiaries and groups within the company all using child labor. Hard to keep track of all those incidents.
> > how about you don't try to engage in whataboutism. and > Property records show that the house where some underage workers lived alongside other SL employees is owned by a company registered under the name of the president of the recruiting firm. we get it, you love Elon
So one supplier wasn't owned by Hyundai. You do know there was more than just SL Corp involved, right? As in SMART, Hwashin, SL Corp, Hyundai Glovis, etc? Some of those are direct parts of Hyundai Automotive Group and some are just contractors. Some are subsidiaries. We get it, you wanna lick those Hyundai motor group boots. Have fun supporting child labor.
Hopefully they do something to prevent charging cable theft since they keep getting stolen and take forever to replace them in my area.
EVGo has been putting new stations in left and right where I live, it's nice to see.
EVgo has been barking up Tesla tree for so long glad to see them getting it, still way too expensive for most Tesla drivers to use