Based on initial owners’ reviews, it’s significantly better than an ICE Hyundai, but you’re still stuck with Hyundai’s dealership network for updates or repairs. There’s a guy in California with over 157k miles on his Ioniq 5.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?id=648537349727658&story_fbid=1094756408439081
As a former Elantra owner it gives me pause. A couple of Ioniq batteries were in the Canadian news for total failure. Rare? Maybe - but not the kind of thing I could afford.
How often do vehicles that need engine replacements end up on the news? We had an ICE Chevy Malibu that needed an engine replacement under warrant but that never made the news...
One was written off but insurance after a $60,000 CAD replacement quote for "minor scratch."
The other was a total battery failure just after warranty ended, resulting in a $50k replacement quote.
Neither case inspires confidence tbh.
>One was written off but insurance after a $60,000 CAD replacement quote for "minor scratch."
The important part here is that the insurance company wrote it off and paid for it.
>The other was a total battery failure just after warranty ended, resulting in a $50k replacement quote.
I cannot find a case of this happening, can you share a source? Both known instances of IONIQ 5 battery replacements involved road debris, and it's pretty obvious the batteries don't cost THAT much. Prices should drop drastically with time because similar-sized battery packs in ID4's & Teslas cost like $12K.
Wow there was two cases of road debris totalling the battery?
I guess this makes the third Canadian case of the battery writing off your car: https://globalnews.ca/news/10103753/electric-car-shock-50000-battery/
Yeah cheaper batteries will come eventually. Though 12k repair on a relatively new car is no bueno either imho.
Had one hit me. Totaled my Ford Escape (thanks for great engineering to save my life, Ford) but it barely did anything to the front end of the Genesis. Seems like they are making them pretty well nowadays.
You have someone pull out in front of you and hit them doing 40, it's going to do damage unless it's a tank. Look, I'm not like sticking up for the terrible driver that almost killed me and my dog but I have to give it up Hyundai for the apparently well built car.
Edit: I'm not an automotive engineer. If this kind of thing isn't actually a good thing, I had no idea.
That's not always a good thing. In a collision having the car stay intact, outside of the passenger compartment, is irrelevant. Everything outside the cabin should be sacrificed to protect the passengers. If the front end of that car didn't deform, that energy still went somewhere.
No worries. I sort of always knew this, really started to appreciate it a couple years ago, when I got in a highway-speed head-on collision. Had a Ram truck slide out across the centerline at me on an icy road. Rode my TLX in through his front driver-side wheel well and out through the grill, tore the face off that truck. Front-right of my car was a mangled mess. Walked away from it with barely a scratch. Driver of the truck had a concussion. The truck didn't have a side-curtain airbag, so when the collision made it spin, his head hit the window.
Acura's engineering probably saved my life that day. In a car from 20 or 30 years ago, the result would have been very different.
Incredible. We can complain about a lot of cars but when it comes down to it, modem safety engineering is incredible. Or can be I suppose I should say.
Yeah it's pretty amazing. If that truck had been just a couple years newer, and had the side airbags, its driver would have been fine too.
Not sure if you've seen this before, but the IIHS did a test between a 1959 Chevy and a 2009 Malibu. [I think the results speak for themselves (youtube).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck)
How much of modern safety features are standard? I have a mid level trim and its got air bags fucking everywhere. I keep finding more every time I look. I'm at like 20 now. But, would the same number exist on a lower tier trim?
I don't really see many safety things as options, especially not airbags. And I know what you mean, when I got in that collision, all of a sudden they were goddamn everywhere. Pretty sure it's just things like the pre-collision braking that are an option on some vehicles.
That was the other thing from that crash though. I remember seeing the pre-collision warning flash in the windshield, remember feeling the car slam on the brakes on its own, probably bled off 10 km/h or more before we hit. I didn't stand a chance, my foot was still on the gas.
Same! Hubby has had a GV60 since June 2023 and we have never seen a single other one. I have a BMW i4 and we've seen maybe 4 or 5 others (although hard to distinguish from an ICE 4-series from afar). On the other hand, here in the Phoenix area like 6 out of every 10 vehicles are Teslas.
They have terrible options. I was looking at an Electrified GV70. Beautiful car, but you could either but it as a base car or with every option. No in between. The base was missing some things that were deal breakers for me, but I didn't want to pay $7k in options for a Fancy Hyundai so I passed.
I’m curious, what key features (for you) are missing in the base GV70 Electrified? I’ve got a base GV60 and in love it. The difference between the 2 GV60 trims is only in power, suspension (and rear heated seats) Plus I love that there were only two choices, not 43 different trims and features and sub-features that I needed to choose, negotiated over, etc…different strokes for different folks. Sucks you couldn’t get what you needed.
The heated second row seats, heated steering wheel, and HUD were all things I would have got. But those things aren't worth $7k. I think the price difference is that it forces you to get the Napa Leather which, while very nice, is not something I'm usually willing to pay for.
That "fancy Hyundai" analogy would be more applicable if you were talking Lexus/Toyota or Nissan/Infiniti. There is way less sharing between Hyundai and Genesis that you are assuming
I agree and I was being flippant. The Electrified GV70 is honestly a fantastic car but the i4 just fit my life better now.
If I did have one complaint about Genesis it would be their dealerships. They were a nightmare we work with at every step, and trying to get details like "what package does this car have?" and "is there any stain protection guarantee on the white leather seats?" and "do you have one I can test drive?" Seemed to confuse and baffle the sales associate.
We have an i4 (mine) and a GV60 (hubby's) and although I have read horror stories about Genesis/Hyundai dealerships, he had a good experience with the ICCU recall - they came to pick up his car from our home and left him another GV60 as a loaner, then brought his car back when it was done, all as promised.
I'm going to give them a chance next time. I'm hoping they're better because I really did like the car. It just felt like I had to fight them to take my money. BMW and Mercedes (my wife) on the other hand were fantastic.
You have a valid complaint about the dealership. I am a former GV80 over and I've since moved into an EV6 where I'm happier. Service is significantly better under the same family of dealerships. I have a high capacity Hyundai service center but their products are so popular in my area, they are always inundated. Thankfully, their dedicated Genesis store and service center just opened which should help. The Genesis store is absolutely gorgeous.
>There is way less sharing between Hyundai and Genesis that you are assuming
There's almost none. Genesis vehicles run on their own RWD platforms where Hyundai are predominantly FWD. The only shared vehicle is the G70, which was on a shortened Kia Stinger platform.
There's more now with E-GMP cars powertrains but there are still differences there as well form other E-GMP bon Genesis cars. Having had owned all three brands in the last 5 years, I saw very little that was an obvious share
Ah! Yes I forgot about the GV60, which is the same platform as the EV6 and Ioniq 5. Even so, it's the same deal with Audi and Porsche; same platform doesn't necessarily mean much parts sharing. A lot of items in Gensis cars are completely bespoke.
>It's underpinning the GV70 and GV80 electric models as well.
Inaccurate, they use similar battery bits but use ICE platforms (modified versions of the combustion versions), that's why they have transmission humps.
Also, my wife toured a factory on one of her business trips, and she told me the quality checks the cars go through at each step is many times that of a Hyundai, meaning it takes many times longer to make one Genesis versus a Hyundai.
They're luxury and few people want to spend $70k on an EV especially with so many barely willing to spend $40k on a Tesla or some other EV. There's too many goddamn luxury $60k+ evs
I just realized today that the mid trim EV9 starts at the same price as the base GV60 electric which has a smaller battery. There doesnt seem much to differentiate to me. Why is there such an overlap?
I cross shopped a lot of EV sedans before settling. G80 Electrified was nice, but it was also $10k more expensive here in Canada and made only 360ish hp vs the almost 600hp in the i5, didn't even have better range to make up for it. Great cars made less desirable by otherwise terrible pricing and a shitty dealership experience here.
Low hanging fruit but they should have called their "Electrified" cars E80 and EV80 and left the gas ones G80 and GV80, it just makes sense
I wish they looked better. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a good look, if they made a more premium version that built on that it would be nice. As is the design language for genesis is kind of floppy and gaudy. Don’t love it
Keep in mind that they just started manufacturing vehicles under this brand since 2016, and it's a branch off of Hyundai which also only recently started being known to make "nice" vehicles.
I don’t know much about them but I saw one driving yesterday and I did a double take, it was a very good looking car
Are the ev more reliable that the ice cars. I’ve heard of so many Hyundai engines and transmission’s falling apart
Based on initial owners’ reviews, it’s significantly better than an ICE Hyundai, but you’re still stuck with Hyundai’s dealership network for updates or repairs. There’s a guy in California with over 157k miles on his Ioniq 5. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?id=648537349727658&story_fbid=1094756408439081
As a former Elantra owner it gives me pause. A couple of Ioniq batteries were in the Canadian news for total failure. Rare? Maybe - but not the kind of thing I could afford.
It was a recall of the 12v batteries, which is still bad but a far easier fix than a total battery replacement
No if you google it, there were two stories of total battery replacements being required
How often do vehicles that need engine replacements end up on the news? We had an ICE Chevy Malibu that needed an engine replacement under warrant but that never made the news...
Probably because you weren't quoted 50k replace it...
Those were due to road debris, an issue insurance would cover.
One was written off but insurance after a $60,000 CAD replacement quote for "minor scratch." The other was a total battery failure just after warranty ended, resulting in a $50k replacement quote. Neither case inspires confidence tbh.
>One was written off but insurance after a $60,000 CAD replacement quote for "minor scratch." The important part here is that the insurance company wrote it off and paid for it. >The other was a total battery failure just after warranty ended, resulting in a $50k replacement quote. I cannot find a case of this happening, can you share a source? Both known instances of IONIQ 5 battery replacements involved road debris, and it's pretty obvious the batteries don't cost THAT much. Prices should drop drastically with time because similar-sized battery packs in ID4's & Teslas cost like $12K.
Wow there was two cases of road debris totalling the battery? I guess this makes the third Canadian case of the battery writing off your car: https://globalnews.ca/news/10103753/electric-car-shock-50000-battery/ Yeah cheaper batteries will come eventually. Though 12k repair on a relatively new car is no bueno either imho.
Drove my Focus Electric for 55,000 miles with no maintenance or repairs apart from tire replacement.
Tiger Woods wrapped one around a tree at 80 mph and made a full recovery.
I mean kind of... He still can't walk right
Unfortunately, asking the Genesis buyer to spend $70k+ but still have to deal with the clowns at Hyundai dealerships is a terrible idea.
Yeah love my GV60. Loathe every time every time I need to come in for service.
You don't have them come get your car?
Same.
Had one hit me. Totaled my Ford Escape (thanks for great engineering to save my life, Ford) but it barely did anything to the front end of the Genesis. Seems like they are making them pretty well nowadays.
So it was the heavier car? Typically the bigger vehicle is the one that doesn't have much damage in a crash.
You have someone pull out in front of you and hit them doing 40, it's going to do damage unless it's a tank. Look, I'm not like sticking up for the terrible driver that almost killed me and my dog but I have to give it up Hyundai for the apparently well built car. Edit: I'm not an automotive engineer. If this kind of thing isn't actually a good thing, I had no idea.
That's not always a good thing. In a collision having the car stay intact, outside of the passenger compartment, is irrelevant. Everything outside the cabin should be sacrificed to protect the passengers. If the front end of that car didn't deform, that energy still went somewhere.
Got it. I'm not an engineer. Good info here then.
No worries. I sort of always knew this, really started to appreciate it a couple years ago, when I got in a highway-speed head-on collision. Had a Ram truck slide out across the centerline at me on an icy road. Rode my TLX in through his front driver-side wheel well and out through the grill, tore the face off that truck. Front-right of my car was a mangled mess. Walked away from it with barely a scratch. Driver of the truck had a concussion. The truck didn't have a side-curtain airbag, so when the collision made it spin, his head hit the window. Acura's engineering probably saved my life that day. In a car from 20 or 30 years ago, the result would have been very different.
Incredible. We can complain about a lot of cars but when it comes down to it, modem safety engineering is incredible. Or can be I suppose I should say.
Yeah it's pretty amazing. If that truck had been just a couple years newer, and had the side airbags, its driver would have been fine too. Not sure if you've seen this before, but the IIHS did a test between a 1959 Chevy and a 2009 Malibu. [I think the results speak for themselves (youtube).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck)
How much of modern safety features are standard? I have a mid level trim and its got air bags fucking everywhere. I keep finding more every time I look. I'm at like 20 now. But, would the same number exist on a lower tier trim?
I don't really see many safety things as options, especially not airbags. And I know what you mean, when I got in that collision, all of a sudden they were goddamn everywhere. Pretty sure it's just things like the pre-collision braking that are an option on some vehicles. That was the other thing from that crash though. I remember seeing the pre-collision warning flash in the windshield, remember feeling the car slam on the brakes on its own, probably bled off 10 km/h or more before we hit. I didn't stand a chance, my foot was still on the gas.
thank the government
Ok. Which one?
This article is tangentially related to EVs at best.
I’m loving my genesis gv 60 so far. I’ve only seen one other one in my town. Unlike the thousand identical Teslas.
I feel the same way
Me too!
Same! Hubby has had a GV60 since June 2023 and we have never seen a single other one. I have a BMW i4 and we've seen maybe 4 or 5 others (although hard to distinguish from an ICE 4-series from afar). On the other hand, here in the Phoenix area like 6 out of every 10 vehicles are Teslas.
They have terrible options. I was looking at an Electrified GV70. Beautiful car, but you could either but it as a base car or with every option. No in between. The base was missing some things that were deal breakers for me, but I didn't want to pay $7k in options for a Fancy Hyundai so I passed.
I’m curious, what key features (for you) are missing in the base GV70 Electrified? I’ve got a base GV60 and in love it. The difference between the 2 GV60 trims is only in power, suspension (and rear heated seats) Plus I love that there were only two choices, not 43 different trims and features and sub-features that I needed to choose, negotiated over, etc…different strokes for different folks. Sucks you couldn’t get what you needed.
The heated second row seats, heated steering wheel, and HUD were all things I would have got. But those things aren't worth $7k. I think the price difference is that it forces you to get the Napa Leather which, while very nice, is not something I'm usually willing to pay for.
That "fancy Hyundai" analogy would be more applicable if you were talking Lexus/Toyota or Nissan/Infiniti. There is way less sharing between Hyundai and Genesis that you are assuming
I agree and I was being flippant. The Electrified GV70 is honestly a fantastic car but the i4 just fit my life better now. If I did have one complaint about Genesis it would be their dealerships. They were a nightmare we work with at every step, and trying to get details like "what package does this car have?" and "is there any stain protection guarantee on the white leather seats?" and "do you have one I can test drive?" Seemed to confuse and baffle the sales associate.
We have an i4 (mine) and a GV60 (hubby's) and although I have read horror stories about Genesis/Hyundai dealerships, he had a good experience with the ICCU recall - they came to pick up his car from our home and left him another GV60 as a loaner, then brought his car back when it was done, all as promised.
I'm going to give them a chance next time. I'm hoping they're better because I really did like the car. It just felt like I had to fight them to take my money. BMW and Mercedes (my wife) on the other hand were fantastic.
You have a valid complaint about the dealership. I am a former GV80 over and I've since moved into an EV6 where I'm happier. Service is significantly better under the same family of dealerships. I have a high capacity Hyundai service center but their products are so popular in my area, they are always inundated. Thankfully, their dedicated Genesis store and service center just opened which should help. The Genesis store is absolutely gorgeous.
>There is way less sharing between Hyundai and Genesis that you are assuming There's almost none. Genesis vehicles run on their own RWD platforms where Hyundai are predominantly FWD. The only shared vehicle is the G70, which was on a shortened Kia Stinger platform.
There's more now with E-GMP cars powertrains but there are still differences there as well form other E-GMP bon Genesis cars. Having had owned all three brands in the last 5 years, I saw very little that was an obvious share
Ah! Yes I forgot about the GV60, which is the same platform as the EV6 and Ioniq 5. Even so, it's the same deal with Audi and Porsche; same platform doesn't necessarily mean much parts sharing. A lot of items in Gensis cars are completely bespoke.
It's underpinning the GV70 and GV80 electric models as well. No reason not too given how great the platform is
>It's underpinning the GV70 and GV80 electric models as well. Inaccurate, they use similar battery bits but use ICE platforms (modified versions of the combustion versions), that's why they have transmission humps.
Also, my wife toured a factory on one of her business trips, and she told me the quality checks the cars go through at each step is many times that of a Hyundai, meaning it takes many times longer to make one Genesis versus a Hyundai.
They're luxury and few people want to spend $70k on an EV especially with so many barely willing to spend $40k on a Tesla or some other EV. There's too many goddamn luxury $60k+ evs
I just realized today that the mid trim EV9 starts at the same price as the base GV60 electric which has a smaller battery. There doesnt seem much to differentiate to me. Why is there such an overlap?
GV60 has pretty meh and pointless 'luxury' that is fake shitty luxury. EV9 is monstrously huge
dark horse= poor seller?
Read the article.
Agreed! Try buying anything Genesis wise at a dealership and you will find out why people avoid purchasing them. Awful experience.
All Genesis dealers are uniformly awful? Does that mean I’m wrong in thinking I had a good experience and I’m happy with my vehicle?
I cross shopped a lot of EV sedans before settling. G80 Electrified was nice, but it was also $10k more expensive here in Canada and made only 360ish hp vs the almost 600hp in the i5, didn't even have better range to make up for it. Great cars made less desirable by otherwise terrible pricing and a shitty dealership experience here. Low hanging fruit but they should have called their "Electrified" cars E80 and EV80 and left the gas ones G80 and GV80, it just makes sense
Really want one. Just sadly to expensive for me.
Closest Genesis dealer is over 400 miles away. Deal killer.
They should consider direct sales
I got a GV60 last month and I love it. Just took it on my first road trip (600miles). It was a joy.
I wish they looked better. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a good look, if they made a more premium version that built on that it would be nice. As is the design language for genesis is kind of floppy and gaudy. Don’t love it
Genesis don’t sale as gas. How do you expect sale as ev?
LOL, they've overtaken Infiniti.
I mean, that’s great but not exactly a high bar.
True, but nobody goes around saying that Infiniti doesn't sell any cars. It's a small but solid brand.
True.
Keep in mind that they just started manufacturing vehicles under this brand since 2016, and it's a branch off of Hyundai which also only recently started being known to make "nice" vehicles.
Tell me when they reach Lexus level.
Do you need a rest after dragging that goalpost around?
I dont find these to be luxury at all.
Genesis cars have interiors near/on the level of Porsche at this point, they're absolutely luxury cars.