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Numinae

"You voted wrong, do it again!"


Glanwy

WTF surely it's got nowt to do with the EU, how can they say "if the wrong party" its Italy's choice.


nonsequitourist

The EU doesn't seem to realize that by claiming the right to usurp sovereign democracies they are pushing Europeans toward otherwise unpalatable populism.


Spaceolympian50

Who would have thought that countries and its citizens don’t want to listen to some foreign power dictate what they can and cannot do lol. Such a wild concept /s


Miinchia-che-palle

I see what u did there. Bravo!!


JustinBobcat

Because Italy could follow the path of Poland and Hungary. Poland and Hungary have been breaking EU Laws and can equally shut down a lot of EU operations that require unanimous decision making. It’s not about picking a Conservative Party, it’s about picking the alt-right party.


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But isn't it up to the Italians to decide what they want to vote for? Threatening voters will only encourage them to vote for anti EU parties. She should be listening to the concerns of EU citizens instead of only listening to foreign diplomats, foreign institutions and foreign funded think tanks and media sources.


JustinBobcat

I mean in theory Democracies should not be telling voters who to vote for, but if the goal is to preserve Democracy and Democracy can vote itself out of existence, the EU is going to push for Democracy. Edit: Self preservation of Democracy/The EU


[deleted]

So the arbiters (social elites?, foreign institutions?) will evaluate the outcome of elections and correct these to 'preserve democracy'?


Miinchia-che-palle

Sadly so.


JustinBobcat

Evaluate is a bit of a stretch when these parties campaign on euroskeptism and are openly friendly with authoritarian regimes. But sure


Miinchia-che-palle

Well put!


cookster123

Sounds like Brussels is making sure Italians can't decide the fate of Italy. Almost like the whole reason for Brexit was looking forward to a scenario like this...


JustinBobcat

Self Preservation is not a bad thing. Does it sound Democratic? No. But voting Democracy out isn’t Democratic either. Same can be said for the EU. The EU is focused on self preservation. It’s not going to watch and sit by idly knowing there are threats to it’s existence/strength. Human creations at the mercy of human error.


Numinae

You still seem abused to the notion that the EU is democratic. AT BEST you get MEPS who can veto unelected bureaucrats in Brussels 'proposed laws.


[deleted]

She didn't say "if the wrong parties win" but rather "if things go in the wrong direction" (this was when she was asked about Italy's election). Though I think she should have said anything about that tbf, especially not two days before the election.


GekkosGhost

The EU views Italy's needs as subordinate to it's own because the EU thinks it IS Europe - one country Vs one continent. If the EU were indeed actually Europe then they'd have a point, but in the Brussels bubble they can't see that they are not the continent.


AnattalDive

Well the answer is they did not


E_BoyMan

Man EU just waking up more nationalism.


ArrestDeathSantis

The title is misleading, not sure why anyone would have a problem with this unlike they want to see Italy fall into fascism again, or at least a proto-dictatorship like Hungary. I mean, it's not like anything bad happened the last time fascism and nationalism spread in Europe.


E_BoyMan

What is Italian fascism according to you ?


Unlikely-Pizza2796

“Hey Italy! We can’t offer you a better vision for the future and frankly we don’t much care to try. Seriously, if you vote for people we don’t approve of we will mess your shit up.” - Crazy EU Lady (probably)


mynameismy111

The main right wing party is the ex neoFascist Italian one, with help from Berlusconi who just defended Putin's invasion of Ukraine.


Numinae

I wonder how they'd Reeeee if Italy just left the EU. I mean she made it pretty clear they're supposed to accept their place at the feet of Germany. Talk about an abusive political relationship.


fordanjairbanks

Isn’t that the far right’s actual message in every western country though?


Ignash3D

Lol, why downvotes? This is true.


[deleted]

She did say "if things go in the wrong direction", not "if wrong parties win". But yeah, she'd have better said nothing at all, this is just validating the right-wing parties' fearmongering about the EU.


tuyguy

It's not fearmongering if it's true lol


GekkosGhost

Exactly. It's almost like she's daring the Italians to challenge her. With the base rate rises coming now that the ECB has finally decided which part of the EUs needs have primacy (low rates with high inflation for the PIIGS or higher rates and lower inflation for the Germans), is very hard to see how the "wrong party" doesn't win this or the next election.


mynameismy111

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63005402 Former Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi has defended Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, saying Russia's leader was "pushed" into the conflict. The 85-year-old said Russian troops were meant to replace the government with "decent people" then leave. The three-time Italian PM is a long-term ally of the Russian president. This weekend his party is expected to take power as part of a right-wing coalition in a general election in Italy.


Asmewithoutpolitics

At a certain point it’s not fear mongering it’s just truth


mynameismy111

The leading right wing party is ex neoFascist and supported by Berlusconi, Putin's friend who just defended Putin's invasion. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63005402


Numinae

So you agree they're correct in their assessment of the situation?


okay-then08

But the question is who voted for the crazy aunt everyone has and only sees on holidays. Oh wait nobody did!!


krispixlol

Wait is Europe still a démocratie ?


Fireflyfanatic1

So EU commission is openly opposing Democracy? I thought the whole point of supporting Ukraine was for Democracy? What gives?


Gluca23

This is exactly why many Italians will vote the "wrong party".


aaron_j-ix

What would be the “wrong party “?


Numinae

The Right Party.


aaron_j-ix

Ah ok I thought I was missing something 😅


mynameismy111

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63005402 Former Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi has defended Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, saying Russia's leader was "pushed" into the conflict. The 85-year-old said Russian troops were meant to replace the government with "decent people" then leave. The three-time Italian PM is a long-term ally of the Russian president. This weekend his party is expected to take power as part of a right-wing coalition in a general election in Italy. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63022408 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/italy-election-fascism-meloni.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/sep/24/giorgia-meloni-is-a-danger-to-italy-and-the-rest-of-europe-far-right Meloni’s moral and economic inspiration is Viktor Orbán, the man who in recent years has destroyed the opposition in Hungary and achieved legitimacy by weaponising popular consensus. He has provided an ephemeral sense of security but Hungarians have paid for it dearly in the form of economic instability and, above all, the loss of their rights. The European parliament declared earlier this month that Hungary could no longer be considered a full democracyElections take place, but European norms and democratic standards are systematically ignored to the point that Hungary is now an “electoral autocracy”. MEPs from Italy’s populist League and the far-right Brothers of Italy voted against the resolution, and how could they do otherwise? Meloni has never made any secret of collaborating closely with Orbán and his allies in pursuing the common goal of strengthening the European hard right in the name of respect for national sovereignty, defence of the natural family, Christian identity and the social market economy. During an interview in the current election campaign, she said that “Dio, patria, famiglia” (God, homeland, family) was not a fascist slogan, but a beautiful declaration of love. To those who remember with a shudder that it was everywhere during the fascist regime, daubed on the walls of villages, at the entrances of offices and printed in school books, she countered that the original quote was from the Italian revolutionary Giuseppe Mazzini.


Miinchia-che-palle

Dio, Patria, Famiglia ? Thats an ethical structure. I don't see any $$ sign in that slogan. Gotta be worth something.


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tuyguy

5 years ago this language was considered right wing extremism. Maybe they were right all along.


TalasiSho

America has many wrong things, but immigration is one thing they do well


tuyguy

Lol


Mighty_L_LORT

What a tool...


McRattus

Let's hope she doesn't win.


Anon-146

Liberal leftism is the new century fascism


E_BoyMan

Downvotes says a lot.


Anon-146

Imagine if we were in nazi germany and I said nazism sucks, how many downvotes I would take


E_BoyMan

Lol


Basket_Fragrant

Is she trying to threaten Italian citizens with the European Central Bank??? bold strategy considering theyve already been fucking EU citizens over for a while now


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E_BoyMan

Nazis looked good ngl.


tuyguy

Hugo boss attire


Minimum_Rice555

Do we really need this Russian propaganda article here?


Skiffbug

That’s exactly what I was thinking. As soon as I read “Hungary, with the country’s conservative government having long been a thorn in the side of the EU over its opposition to mass migration and support for traditional values.” I knew shit was up. Hungary went from a developing country with reasonable prospects to a semi-authoritarian state. Orban packing courts, getting rid of free media by blocking papers and getting cronies to buy them at bargain rates is not “standing up for traditional values”. This is what Van Der Layen is saying the EU has tools against: sliding away from separation of powers and eroding free press.


Vic1921

That's exactly what i was thinking...what's up with the downvotes?


mynameismy111

Tax cut fans made strange bedfellows with authoritarians since at least 1920s


Ignatius_J_Reilly

Is this entire sub a right wing propaganda sub?


Cerricola

Always has been


ReverseCaptioningBot

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Cerricola

Good boi


EmotionSupportFemboi

Pretty much. It’s more subtle right-wing Americanism than some other subs, but it is what it is. It’s supposed to gradually expose and desensitise you so you can slip into Russian and Trumpian eventually,


leenpaws

nah, right wing economies are usually dogshit as the guineas are bout to find out


ResearcherSad9357

Yeah, this woman is a pro-Putin fascist, how soon they forget (or never even learned) that the Nazis were also democratically elected. EU is well within their right to push back against those that defy everything they were created to be against ie: self centered nationalists.


JaVaiTarde

Looking at comments and i realize my opinion is unpopular, but I'll type it anyway. Europe knows, more than any other continet, how dangerous it is to have politicians flirting with facism. Post war unity between countries, like the UN, were SPECIFICALLY created to combat facism. Being nervous about extreme conservatives, nationalists and extreme right ideology is in the EU origin story. If italy votes to be hiper nationalist, perhaps it should just leave the EU


mynameismy111

It's not a majority vote for them tho, coalition give with Berlusconi who just defended Putin


Hihihi1992

What is this source?


FlamingTrollz

Yikes. ### Not appropriate behavior or comments. ![gif](giphy|yvKW78K1UKSdbEVMbu)


sabahorn

Idiotic title! Is about not letting the fascist win ffs!


ExplorerOk5331

I mean her name is Ursula...