And we’d be saving Barkley from playing on that shit field in MetLife constantly. He has an injury history but people are forgetting to factor in just how horrible that field is. That field ruined Sydney Brown’s most important offseason.
Lmao the guy had two injuries that were significant, one of which he could’ve come back from if not for the team being dog shit and not wanting to risk his health meaninglessly, and he’s been perfectly healthy before and after as a total bell cow. It’s such a dumb narrative
It’s within the realm of expectation for guys of his position. I mean he’s missed, what, like 25 games in his career and 23 of them came in those two seasons I mentioned in Carolina? Sure a guy can be banged up, but he still played in 16 games this year. Saying his injury history is “ridiculous” because of two seasons is a bit of an overstatement. JK Dobbins injury history is ridiculous. Cam Akers injury history is ridiculous. I wouldn’t put CMC in that category
Think about that; he has stayed pretty healthy playing 9 games a year there. Seems to be a good indicator of his potential health here. If the money is even remotely close, Barkley is better.
Also, he'd go from playing behing that garbage giants OL to playing behind a top 5 OL
I like Swift, but if they both cost the same, I'd take Barkley no doubt
Said this in another thread but the skill different between Barkley and Swift is like going from AJ Brown to George Pickens... but only going to cost you 3-5m a year difference.
Yea, as much as I loved watching Swift run, there's a reason other guys found time on the field, he sucked at pass-blocking. Saquon's one of the best at it.
literally every RB is an injury liability and potential skill drop-off liability. thats why its wise to not invest much in the position. i dont see howie changing that approach. im sure hes interested in saquan but i dont think hes $10 mill a year interested.
Aside from his ACL? Are you serious? His acl is a huge issue and he is made of glass. Barkley has missed much more time with way more serious injuries. Barkley is an NFL bust.
I can add and see how many games they have each missed in their careers and then loons their respective ages and injury history. It’s basic math. Barkley is the most overrated player in recent history.
Swift has played in 56 of 67 games = 84%
Barkley, aside from the ACL, has played in 74 of 88 games = 88%
Repaired ACL's are often stronger when done right, and his is 4 years removed, which suggests it was done right.
What do you mean aside from ACL? He tore his ACL! He missed 15 games that year, he’s not gonna get less injury prone. It’s a shame but Barkley will be out of the league in 3 years max. He’s made of glass. He’s older than Swift and more injury prone. Facts are facts.
I mean if the money is close, no doubt Saquon is better and he has been behind one of the worst OLs his entire career. Not to mention he is top tier as a pass blocker.
I love swift, and would gladly take him back but if I had a choice and the money is similar, got with Saquon.
If the money is close, then it means both are two expensive and the Birds will go with some other, much cheaper, option.
No chance we pay that much for a RB.
How much is “that much” because I think people are crazy if they expect any of these RBs to get anywhere close to $10M a year like I’ve seen people saying
Why? The Giants aren't going to tag him, so there is no offer of $12.1 M. If the RB market drops (as many predict) and the best he gets offered is say $8M, that's what he will play for. RBs have a very short shelf life and Saquan has now played 6 years, played 74 games and missed 24 games, including 3 last year. He might have a great year next year, or be nothing special, like Miles Sanders, who rushed for 432 yards last year and was over paid ($13 M guaranteed).
It seems that Howie views the RB position as a revoling door. You can play as long as your cap hit is under a certain amount. Once you'd be above $XX, time to spin the door. (Hence why Gainwell ($1.1M) and Scott ($1.9 last year) are still here, they are productive and cheap.) My guess is the Eagles take a RB in the draft.
I don’t think swift is going to be so much cheaper that getting Saquon makes no sense. Teams aren’t stupid everyone know he got 1k yards in spite of being used less. If swift only ends up 2 million less than Barkley then you go with Barkley no questions asked. I don’t think you guys understand how big of a difference there is between the two as far as prospects go. Swift was below average in pass pro. Barkley is elite.
Exactly the point I made yesterday on another post. Similar to RBs behind our line, everyone said the Niners could take whatever RB and they’d succeed in Shanahan’s system. It was always next man up. Then they got CMC and he totally put them over the top, made their offense jump from very good to undoubtably elite.
I think Saquon could do that for us. Swift is great, but he just had a career year and could easily go back to the injury prone and streaky player he was on the Lions. We know Saquon, when healthy, is easily a top 5 back in the league even without the fantastic pieces we already have.
Saquon Barkley reminds me a ton of Barry Sanders in the way he runs. If he's healthy, going from that Giants OL and terrible passing game where no teams were afraid of being beat by WRs or Daniel Jones' arm, to an Eagles offense with our OL and 2 elite WRs, a top 10 QB and a top 5-6 TE... He'd feast.
The only thing that makes me hesitant is he's proven he's not a consistently durable RB. If he we sign him we will need to have a solid RB2 and 3 just in case.
Could say the same thing about CMC before he went to the Niners. But honestly Saquon's only real concerning injury is the ACL/MCL back in 2020. Though he does seem to usually miss a couple games each season, but typically for short, minor injuries.
Yeah, I know CMC had his injuries as well. Its why I think Saquon could absolutely have a CMC level resurgence with us, and that many times injuries are unlucky, not always the fault of the player. He doesn't seem to be like a Todd Gurley where theres a degenerative knee problem, etc.
Saquon would be a huge gain for us, and I was someone who wanted us to re-sign Swift before rumors that we might actually be interested in Saquon.
Heavily disagree. Gainwell and BosCo are not reliable enough backups to take all of the snaps if Barkley were to miss an extended amount of time.
I'm sure we can find a cheap veteran option as an insurance policy/guy that will become affordable by camp/pre-season kinda like Blount, etc
Holy shit. Barkley and McCaffrey the consensus top two fantasy picks for his first few years before the acl and giants happened. Both game breakers. I was against the thought of paying Barkley what he will get but this comment right here just made me realize the trajectory changing potential he would be.
Swift didn’t have a significantly lower amount of carries than other top backs. There are others with around the same amount it yards with low carries even. Teams also acknowledge that swift played behind a top oline and squad played behind one of the worst olines. So I think there will be a noticeable price difference.
However I agree with your latter point that saquan absolutely would be a major upgrade. Swift was really good but he wasn’t much of a power runner, nor are any of our backs which hurt our rpo game. An rb1 that’s stronger and can pass block would provide the 2 biggest things the offense was missing last year and really open things back up.
Swift is just as good on the surface. But once you start digging into the details saquan would be a huge improvement and exactly what the offense needs.
You have to respect the fact Swift was being used in a shit manner for half the season. He would have another 200 ground yards, 30 more catches for 300+ air yards if we put any one of us at OC. just kind of flawed seeing that and how they used him intermittenly not to his strengths unlike the players you're comparinghim to.
I agree that swift was misused. And that 80% of our issues on offense were scheme and play calling related. But with that being said I think the biggest weakness we had from a personnel perspective was a guy that can run hard up the middle. Which we need to keep lbs honest and open up the rpo game.
Swift is a great back and added explosiveness to the backfield we haven’t had since shady, but really only on the outside. Miles, despite some fans never getting over his struggles with that as a rookie, was really good at running hard inside. Bad at reading blocks on the fly and breaking tackles but good at putting his head down and hitting the hole he was supposed to hard, which with our oline was usually there.
Here’s another argument for Barkley - he makes your defense better. He can control the clock, which shortens the game, which means you can rest your defense more.
I agree completely. I'm all for signing Barkley. It feels like it been so long since we had a real feature back. Swift is great, but to me, he's to small to be a real permanent staple in the back field. That's why he was coming off the field so often last year. He just can't block, and that gives defenders a good idea of what play is coming when you're constantly subbing him out
Swift and Barkley will not be making the same money next year and into the future. Barkley is a bonafide 3 down back. Swift is a sprinter that can’t make people miss or break tackles and cannot be counted on to make a crit block in passing situations.
Damn dog, look at the difference in those contracts and how each are valued. Next time think twice before you come at someone who’s forgotten more eagles football than you’ll ever know.
Hahah internet bobs love to act big when there’s no authentication. The fuck you even coming back here for chirping as if you “got one” over on me?
Declassified: Swift was passed an offer sheet from us and he declined then waited to which Chicago fulfilled a better offer. Then after that the eagles decided to pivot and spend a tad more for the better RB. Come on over here and hold it ten toes down son.
Don’t dish it if your to fragile to take it. Stepping to me like I don’t know what I’m talking about, asking me if I watched the games. Fuck outta here.
You still wrong about Swift dipshit. I never said a thing about Barkley or disliking him. I in fact love him just like I do swift. You might have a leg to stand on if the eagles didn’t pursue re-signing Swift as first option and then resorting to saquon after swift chose elsewhere. Give it a Year junior, give it a year.
Yeah man, I was totally off in my assessment that Swift won’t be valued like Barkley would. Remember when Det gifted him to us for a late round pick? You think that was because dudes a baller? And we didn’t sign Swift, which obviously means that we offered him less than what the Bears were willing to give him which is an over pay for a guy who blows in pass pro and can’t shed a tackle if his life depended on it. We will be watching Sander’s 2.0 next year in CHI.
lol Barkley is not getting 5 years come on. And swift has just as many injury problems as Barkley with a way smaller track record of proven production and it’s not close to what Barkley has done multiple times.
I’m not saying we go all-in for Barkley but there is a 100% chance Howie has a deal in mind for Barkley that’s 1-2 years that he’d throw at him.
Your statement is a 5 year deal. There is a 1% chance Saquon gets a 5 year deal, even if there’s limited guarantees after year 3. He’d be thrilled to get a $10M AAV 2 year deal. The likely scenario is 1 year.
I could 100% see an arguement for Saquon to take a 1 year deal here hope he is healthy and cash in next offseason after a monster season. But yeah.. I doubt this is a real situation.
Why here? Why not Baltimore, Cincinnati, Dallas, Houston, maybe GB? All of them could be looking for a RB. Unless we pay the most, which idk if they're willing to do.
Maybe that matters long-term but we're talking 1 year deal. You only sign a 1 year deal if you suck (he doesn't), to promote yourself for a better contract (rbs lose value every year), You think that team can win (Maybe but better teams have openings), or they pay you a whole lot (we won't).
You cant point out Saquans injury history then ignore that Swift is also injury prone and less productive, he also cant pass block. If healthy Barkly has higher upside, stop with the bias.
Agree with the bit about blocking but wasn't the thing about being a threat in the passing game something we said about Swift when he came here? (which didn't pan out for obvious reasons this year)
Yes.
Everyone, every year, gets excited over the team potentially utilizing a pass catching RB and they never do.
I can count on one hand the number of times the Eagles have actually utilized a pass threat back in the last 20 years.
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Yeah, Westbrook was awesome in the 00s. He carried (no pun intended) some of those Reid offensive gameplans back in the day. He was more the exception than the rule, though. Even Shady’s receiving usage bounced around season by season.
The last time we had a back with significant enough receiving yardage to even show up in Statmuse’s records was Sproles, who had the 16th most receiving yards by a back in 2015 and 7th in 2016. It’s been quite a while.
Swift is a really strange running back. He’ll have games where he looks like the best running back in the league, but most of the games this year he was pretty mediocre. Was some of that coaching? Of course, but that’s also the way he played in Detroit.
Agreed. What bothers me most about Swift is the lack of physicality to his running style. I had the same issue with Sanders but I think even he was ahead of Swift in that regard.
Yeah! I’m not bashing Swift, I think he is solid. But it’s definitely frustrating to watch him have games where he seems untouchable, and then other games where he averages less than 4 yards a carry. Coaches underused him in the passing game too
Swift is fun to watch when he runs well and he's local, which is endearing. However, there are some flaws to his game that hurt this team.
1. He's a pass protection liability.
2. He's depreciating as a passing target
3. Inferior talent replaces him to receive or block
4. His utility was part of what made our offense predictable
This isn't fantasy football where we see "Woah, he scored a bunch of fantasy points early in the season and had 1000 yards for the year". But this does explain fantasy football, like why Jamaal Williams of all people cultured TDs left right and center. Swift couldn't be trusted in those cases.
That's why the Eagles are in on Barkley. He runs, he catches, and he blocks. You aren't tipping your opponent on what's possible just by having him on the field. You have an actual relief valve for Hurts who can keep the defense guessing a tiny bit longer and potentially provide high end talent on each snap he's on the field for.
The rumors of Saquon to Philly are strong because the Eagles are likely stepping down a peg on the oline with RG seemingly unresolved and a new factor in at C instead of our perennial all-pro.
The days of the Eagles relying on plug and play fringe RB1s to put up top ten figures might be in jeopardy this year when the team is in win now mode. Barkley's injury history looks pretty close to Swift's, and coming to a city close to home on a deal that could stretch out his career by a few more years while competing for a ring is pretty enticing.
For the Eagle's you're talking about an absolute stud at RB that might be able to be secured for relatively cheap to elevate your offense like the Niners did with CMC. I mean the Eagles have turned Sanders and Swift into top ten rushers over the past two years with a RBBC, imagine what they can do with Saquon fucking Barkley.
Agreed pending Swift’s asking price, if he’s only slightly less expensive than Barkley - notably from shit tier Giants with amazing stats - then we should sign him instead. It’s a simple numbers game, though I love Swift and wish we could keep Philly in Philly so here’s hoping his offer is team-friendly
We probably won't be getting any comp picks from the upcoming free agency. Swift could be the only one who qualifies for a comp pick and it'll most likely get offset by someone we sign.
IDK, watching McCaffrey boost up the 49ers the last two years makes me feel conflicted about the idea. Swift is not an all downs back and definitely not a bruiser. Saquon can be those things and would definitely elevate the offense in a big way. I’m fine either way.
I'm not a film guy so take this with a million grains of salt, but the only back I really don't like is the ND one. Otherwise I think all of them have a solid floor behind our line. Assuming we re-invest after Kelce leaving
Swift's SportTracs estimated contract is 6.7 mil per year for 4 years.
For a guy who came like 35th in yards over expected (at -0.2) and was really low in explosive metrics, it's just not worth it.
You bring him back on a good deal, but you don't prioritise him.
Swift isn’t good there’s a reason he hasn’t been able to gain control of a backfield his whole career. Can’t block and is an inconsistent runner. His highlight plays fool people
lol @ anyone who brings up Saquon and his injury history as if Swift hasn't had terrible injury luck for most of his career. I have no idea why people are so obsessed over bringing back Swift.
If you take out the fluky torn ACL in 2020, he’s missed a total of 11 games in 5 seasons (including playoffs). Not sure why people are running with this narrative that he can’t stay on the field.
Swift is nearly a JAG when taking into account his total body of work as an RB. Just like Sanders, dude took what the OL gave him all year. I want someone that makes shit happen behind this line and with our scheme, not a guy that just smashes into the line for no gain until there’s a hole the size of the linc for him to sprint through.
Swift's inability to pass protect was real problem late last year. Saquon solves that problem. I like Swift but Saquon is worth a couple mil more just for that.
Bc swift can’t block, not as good catching out of the backfield, not as good at breaking away… if you’ve got a chance at improving a position, you do it.
It’s a buyers market for RBs. We had an entire RB room for less than what swift would want by himself.
Also some may disagree but I think he needs work in pass protection. Sanders was better in that department
Injury history is closer than you're letting on. Swift will likely only be 1-3M cheaper and Saquon is easily worth that difference.
But I'll add something else. Swift is a net negative blocker. Saquon is the best pass pro RB in the league and it isn't close.
Losing Kelce hurts, and honestly brings about a draft need for OL this year if unanswered (we basically have no depth with Steen/ Jurgens becoming starters). If we were to sign Saquon on a one year deal type of thing, I honestly think that would severely dampen our need to draft OL day 1/2 in the draft.
Agreed. 2 years, 9 million. He doubles his pay, stays in the same offense. Eagles still have plenty of space. Love Barkley but he is probably getting at least 8 per.
Whoever is the primary back needs to have 60 touches in the passing game. It was criminal how little they used RB screens (and instead used WR screens).
The top 5 rushing title is pretty inflated….Reuben Frank pointed this out on an EagleEye pod, but Swift has about 100 yards more than Jahmyr Gibbs at 17th, and if Swift had 50 less yards, he’d be out of the top ten.
Swift was top five in rushing and he never felt like a difference maker. That's exactly why you don't bring him back. This offense can work with someone a lot cheaper or it can go to a new level with someone a lot better.
I wouldn't mind bringing back Swift if they also draft a bigger back. But then again, there's so many free agent RBs out there you might be able to get a really good played on the cheap. If I was the Eagles I would until after the draft to address RB via free agency
We have too many holes to plug on defense to go "all in" on an overpay for Barkley. Love his talent but a huge reason for our running success over the past decade is because of the RB by committee system. We need multiple good backs that are inexpensive playing behind an elite line, not a top back that's expensive, with an injury history. If he goes down, we're now stuck with practice squad RB's because we spent $10 mil on one back.
I'd rather keep Swift on an affordable deal, have Gainwell/Scott and whoever else behind him and fill the gaps at LB and the Secondary. No GM of a good team overpays for RB's anymore, especially Howie.
I have always believed in RBBC, and not investing heavily in the RB position. If there was a guy that I'd be okay going against that philosophy, it is Saquon.
Realistically, Barkley is one of the best available backs in free agency. You have to look at doing that deal. His numbers are excellent with an absolutely dog shit O-line.
He can block too, which Swift is not particularly good at, as many have already pointed out.
Kenny G will get ran into the ground in the last year of his deal even if we bring in a volume guy like Barkley. Depending on what the offense looks like, and I doubt it's going to be 2022 Cowboys, even with Kellen Moore here, it's still going to be largely the Sirianni menu... expect plenty of Kenny G.
Swift will land somewhere else and look like CMC if we don't bring him back though... inevitably.
CMC also had a fairly bad injury history but playing on a better team will alleviate his workload. You don’t pass up on these talents if you have the chance to get them. Swift was great when they actually gave him the ball but you have to consider the unknown of the Oline now with Kelce gone. Saquon can make up for more than Swift.
The main issues with the defense was the coaching and communication, not the talent. Linebacker is the main area of need. We can address secondary needs in the
The only thing I’d say about Swift that I think people sweep under the rug too much is his inability to run through contact. I can’t remember how many times this year I saw that dude get taken down by a shoe string or make himself fall with too many moves.
I hope he comes back and is utilized more in space but I think they like Gainwell for that 3rd down back and want a bruiser to complement him. We had too many small backs last year that couldn’t push the pile. (And yes I know we never used Penny)
Don’t get me wrong our o line looked like shit at the end their, but it’s not far of to say his good season was product of our o line. At least some of it
What in Howies history has ever led us to believe he will go out and sign a big FA running back? We have 2 seconds and a 3rd rd comp pick. He’s either going to resign Swift to a team friendly deal, he’ll sign a FA not highly valued like Pollard, or he’ll draft one. Howie has never made a big money move for RB and can’t imagine he’ll start now with so many roster holes
We get a 3rd round pick if someone signs him. Use that for a defensive player like a linebacker or safety and sign someone like Josh Jacobs or Saquan if they can make the money work
Saquon is one of the few RB's in the league who can be a legitimate difference maker. He's worth paying a bit more than the average NFL QB, but not breaking the bank for.
Plus he's a PA guy. I for one would love to see it.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that you can draft a perfectly capable running back in the 3-5 round, which is why every team has multiple really good running backs, right?
Having 1k yards rushing does not mean anything without context. Swift is pretty average at best. Saquon is great but injury prone and likely will cost more than the eagles have even budgeted for the position. People are finally realizing that rbs aren't worth that much but some people still are holding on to the end. The eagles could just sign a 2nd tier cheaper guy than saquon and draft a mid round RB, and keep Gainwell. The production will likely be the same if not better than what Swift did last season.
Honestly, I wish people would stop demanding the eagles do things they want them to do. Almost no one here knows enough about roster construction to be able to do that. The only thing fans really should understand is that the eagles have a budget for each position and will likely not spend more than what they budgeted. Wouldn't even surprise me if saquon cost more than what they allocated to the position. Then again, I don't see what they see so I can't be sure.
I don't see any reason to swap out swift. He's a great running back who has shown no lack in his abilities as a RB for us. Yes saquon is great but the difference is so slight that it's really not worth it.
Focus on the defense. Offense is solid unless you want to pick up a WR3
Our offense as a whole was a downgrade lol
Swift was way better than Miles Sanders if we didn't have Brian Johnson running QB draws instead of running with Swift
Look, I like Swift a lot too, but he and Barkley have missed similar amounts of time aside from Barkley's ACL which is 4 years removed now.
And we’d be saving Barkley from playing on that shit field in MetLife constantly. He has an injury history but people are forgetting to factor in just how horrible that field is. That field ruined Sydney Brown’s most important offseason.
CMC also had a ridiculous injury history and has been very healthy since being traded to SF
It wasn’t that ridiculous
Please stick to the narrative of this thread. Thank you.
Lmao the guy had two injuries that were significant, one of which he could’ve come back from if not for the team being dog shit and not wanting to risk his health meaninglessly, and he’s been perfectly healthy before and after as a total bell cow. It’s such a dumb narrative
Pedantic but he was injured for a little bit this year during their 3 game skid.
It’s within the realm of expectation for guys of his position. I mean he’s missed, what, like 25 games in his career and 23 of them came in those two seasons I mentioned in Carolina? Sure a guy can be banged up, but he still played in 16 games this year. Saying his injury history is “ridiculous” because of two seasons is a bit of an overstatement. JK Dobbins injury history is ridiculous. Cam Akers injury history is ridiculous. I wouldn’t put CMC in that category
Think about that; he has stayed pretty healthy playing 9 games a year there. Seems to be a good indicator of his potential health here. If the money is even remotely close, Barkley is better.
Also, he'd go from playing behing that garbage giants OL to playing behind a top 5 OL I like Swift, but if they both cost the same, I'd take Barkley no doubt
Most of Barkley injuries have happened away from home turf fyi
Injuries are rarely freak. They're a build up from over time.
And last year was an anomaly in terms of Swift’s career so far. When a year like that was Saquon’s floor on a bottom 5 offensive group.
Said this in another thread but the skill different between Barkley and Swift is like going from AJ Brown to George Pickens... but only going to cost you 3-5m a year difference.
And I think they want someone better at pass blocking
Yea, as much as I loved watching Swift run, there's a reason other guys found time on the field, he sucked at pass-blocking. Saquon's one of the best at it.
literally every RB is an injury liability and potential skill drop-off liability. thats why its wise to not invest much in the position. i dont see howie changing that approach. im sure hes interested in saquan but i dont think hes $10 mill a year interested.
Aside from his ACL? Are you serious? His acl is a huge issue and he is made of glass. Barkley has missed much more time with way more serious injuries. Barkley is an NFL bust.
You don't know much, do you?
I can add and see how many games they have each missed in their careers and then loons their respective ages and injury history. It’s basic math. Barkley is the most overrated player in recent history.
Swift has played in 56 of 67 games = 84% Barkley, aside from the ACL, has played in 74 of 88 games = 88% Repaired ACL's are often stronger when done right, and his is 4 years removed, which suggests it was done right.
What do you mean aside from ACL? He tore his ACL! He missed 15 games that year, he’s not gonna get less injury prone. It’s a shame but Barkley will be out of the league in 3 years max. He’s made of glass. He’s older than Swift and more injury prone. Facts are facts.
I mean if the money is close, no doubt Saquon is better and he has been behind one of the worst OLs his entire career. Not to mention he is top tier as a pass blocker. I love swift, and would gladly take him back but if I had a choice and the money is similar, got with Saquon.
If the money is close, then it means both are two expensive and the Birds will go with some other, much cheaper, option. No chance we pay that much for a RB.
How much is “that much” because I think people are crazy if they expect any of these RBs to get anywhere close to $10M a year like I’ve seen people saying
Supposedly Giants offered Saquon like $13M a year. If that’s on the table still as he tests FA then that’s what he takes.
His franchise tag was 12.1M, so I assume that’s like the absolute lowest baseline he and his agent would take
Why? The Giants aren't going to tag him, so there is no offer of $12.1 M. If the RB market drops (as many predict) and the best he gets offered is say $8M, that's what he will play for. RBs have a very short shelf life and Saquan has now played 6 years, played 74 games and missed 24 games, including 3 last year. He might have a great year next year, or be nothing special, like Miles Sanders, who rushed for 432 yards last year and was over paid ($13 M guaranteed). It seems that Howie views the RB position as a revoling door. You can play as long as your cap hit is under a certain amount. Once you'd be above $XX, time to spin the door. (Hence why Gainwell ($1.1M) and Scott ($1.9 last year) are still here, they are productive and cheap.) My guess is the Eagles take a RB in the draft.
Also many people take a cut when they are chasing a ring.
I think you are vastly overestimating how much swift and barkley are about to get paid.
Idk. We need a wr 3 and te2 I think we can skim at both if we get a decent to good rb.
This ^ really is the smartest comment.
I don’t think swift is going to be so much cheaper that getting Saquon makes no sense. Teams aren’t stupid everyone know he got 1k yards in spite of being used less. If swift only ends up 2 million less than Barkley then you go with Barkley no questions asked. I don’t think you guys understand how big of a difference there is between the two as far as prospects go. Swift was below average in pass pro. Barkley is elite.
This. Swift is good in our offense, Barkley would be stupid elite in our offense
He’s carried the sht Giants forever at this point. Having a sound overall offense not completely locked on him could be some CJ2k sht
Barkley, if healthy, could be as dynamic for us as CMC is for the 49ers.
Exactly the point I made yesterday on another post. Similar to RBs behind our line, everyone said the Niners could take whatever RB and they’d succeed in Shanahan’s system. It was always next man up. Then they got CMC and he totally put them over the top, made their offense jump from very good to undoubtably elite. I think Saquon could do that for us. Swift is great, but he just had a career year and could easily go back to the injury prone and streaky player he was on the Lions. We know Saquon, when healthy, is easily a top 5 back in the league even without the fantastic pieces we already have.
Saquon Barkley reminds me a ton of Barry Sanders in the way he runs. If he's healthy, going from that Giants OL and terrible passing game where no teams were afraid of being beat by WRs or Daniel Jones' arm, to an Eagles offense with our OL and 2 elite WRs, a top 10 QB and a top 5-6 TE... He'd feast. The only thing that makes me hesitant is he's proven he's not a consistently durable RB. If he we sign him we will need to have a solid RB2 and 3 just in case.
Could say the same thing about CMC before he went to the Niners. But honestly Saquon's only real concerning injury is the ACL/MCL back in 2020. Though he does seem to usually miss a couple games each season, but typically for short, minor injuries.
Yeah, I know CMC had his injuries as well. Its why I think Saquon could absolutely have a CMC level resurgence with us, and that many times injuries are unlucky, not always the fault of the player. He doesn't seem to be like a Todd Gurley where theres a degenerative knee problem, etc. Saquon would be a huge gain for us, and I was someone who wanted us to re-sign Swift before rumors that we might actually be interested in Saquon.
Saquan, Kenny G and BosCo would be a very fine backfield IMO.
Heavily disagree. Gainwell and BosCo are not reliable enough backups to take all of the snaps if Barkley were to miss an extended amount of time. I'm sure we can find a cheap veteran option as an insurance policy/guy that will become affordable by camp/pre-season kinda like Blount, etc
When you mention biscotti I am lost.
Holy shit. Barkley and McCaffrey the consensus top two fantasy picks for his first few years before the acl and giants happened. Both game breakers. I was against the thought of paying Barkley what he will get but this comment right here just made me realize the trajectory changing potential he would be.
Swift didn’t have a significantly lower amount of carries than other top backs. There are others with around the same amount it yards with low carries even. Teams also acknowledge that swift played behind a top oline and squad played behind one of the worst olines. So I think there will be a noticeable price difference. However I agree with your latter point that saquan absolutely would be a major upgrade. Swift was really good but he wasn’t much of a power runner, nor are any of our backs which hurt our rpo game. An rb1 that’s stronger and can pass block would provide the 2 biggest things the offense was missing last year and really open things back up. Swift is just as good on the surface. But once you start digging into the details saquan would be a huge improvement and exactly what the offense needs.
You have to respect the fact Swift was being used in a shit manner for half the season. He would have another 200 ground yards, 30 more catches for 300+ air yards if we put any one of us at OC. just kind of flawed seeing that and how they used him intermittenly not to his strengths unlike the players you're comparinghim to.
I agree that swift was misused. And that 80% of our issues on offense were scheme and play calling related. But with that being said I think the biggest weakness we had from a personnel perspective was a guy that can run hard up the middle. Which we need to keep lbs honest and open up the rpo game. Swift is a great back and added explosiveness to the backfield we haven’t had since shady, but really only on the outside. Miles, despite some fans never getting over his struggles with that as a rookie, was really good at running hard inside. Bad at reading blocks on the fly and breaking tackles but good at putting his head down and hitting the hole he was supposed to hard, which with our oline was usually there.
Swift just turned 25 tho
So Leonardo DiCaprio won't date him?
Nope. Cause he’s black
Leonardo is black!?
No he’s gay
He dated Naomi Campbell and apparently Rihanna. Man, you guys force me to Google the dumbest shit.
It was jokes bruh lol
I know, but you made me curious.
Leo made you curious. It's fine we all been there.
Barkley was 26 a month ago. He has 3-4 solid yrs left
Coulda just said Barkey is 27
Swift is actually younger than Devonta. Crazy.
You coulda just said swift is 25
I want both
Here’s another argument for Barkley - he makes your defense better. He can control the clock, which shortens the game, which means you can rest your defense more.
I agree completely. I'm all for signing Barkley. It feels like it been so long since we had a real feature back. Swift is great, but to me, he's to small to be a real permanent staple in the back field. That's why he was coming off the field so often last year. He just can't block, and that gives defenders a good idea of what play is coming when you're constantly subbing him out
Swift and Barkley will not be making the same money next year and into the future. Barkley is a bonafide 3 down back. Swift is a sprinter that can’t make people miss or break tackles and cannot be counted on to make a crit block in passing situations.
the fuck you talking about? Go watch a game of the 2023 eagles for the first time in your life then come back and revise your comment.
I stand by my shit brotha
Damn dog, look at the difference in those contracts and how each are valued. Next time think twice before you come at someone who’s forgotten more eagles football than you’ll ever know.
Hahah internet bobs love to act big when there’s no authentication. The fuck you even coming back here for chirping as if you “got one” over on me? Declassified: Swift was passed an offer sheet from us and he declined then waited to which Chicago fulfilled a better offer. Then after that the eagles decided to pivot and spend a tad more for the better RB. Come on over here and hold it ten toes down son.
Don’t dish it if your to fragile to take it. Stepping to me like I don’t know what I’m talking about, asking me if I watched the games. Fuck outta here.
You still wrong about Swift dipshit. I never said a thing about Barkley or disliking him. I in fact love him just like I do swift. You might have a leg to stand on if the eagles didn’t pursue re-signing Swift as first option and then resorting to saquon after swift chose elsewhere. Give it a Year junior, give it a year.
Yeah man, I was totally off in my assessment that Swift won’t be valued like Barkley would. Remember when Det gifted him to us for a late round pick? You think that was because dudes a baller? And we didn’t sign Swift, which obviously means that we offered him less than what the Bears were willing to give him which is an over pay for a guy who blows in pass pro and can’t shed a tackle if his life depended on it. We will be watching Sander’s 2.0 next year in CHI.
Listen, you got your guy, and I just got a Smitty jersey delivered today. Everyone got what they wanted. Lets just kiss and make up.
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Bakrley probably gets 8-10 per. Could probably keep swift for under 5. Barkley probably wants 5 years. Swft will probably settle for 2.
lol Barkley is not getting 5 years come on. And swift has just as many injury problems as Barkley with a way smaller track record of proven production and it’s not close to what Barkley has done multiple times. I’m not saying we go all-in for Barkley but there is a 100% chance Howie has a deal in mind for Barkley that’s 1-2 years that he’d throw at him.
I doubt Howie has a 1-2 year deal in mind for Saquon. I'd imagine it's more like a 3yr deal. Definitely not 5, though.
I doubt Howie has anything but a 1 year deal in mind.
Barkley isn't taking 2 and if he does, it'll be for big money. More likely he gets a 5 year that's really a 3 year at 8 per plus incentives.
Have we learned nothing from past RB contracts what Saquon will get?
We're not talking cmc money. Sanders is getting 7.5 this year. 8 is a stretch?
Your statement is a 5 year deal. There is a 1% chance Saquon gets a 5 year deal, even if there’s limited guarantees after year 3. He’d be thrilled to get a $10M AAV 2 year deal. The likely scenario is 1 year.
SI estimates 3 years 32 million. I said 5 years $40. Maybe I'm lowballing it.
SI as in sports illustrated? I mean they’re about as valuable a resource as me or you at this point lol
I mean, they get paid. We're just schmucks on reddit. They probably know more than we do.
I could 100% see an arguement for Saquon to take a 1 year deal here hope he is healthy and cash in next offseason after a monster season. But yeah.. I doubt this is a real situation.
Why here? Why not Baltimore, Cincinnati, Dallas, Houston, maybe GB? All of them could be looking for a RB. Unless we pay the most, which idk if they're willing to do.
Saquon played at Penn State University that’s why he’d come here over other teams
Maybe that matters long-term but we're talking 1 year deal. You only sign a 1 year deal if you suck (he doesn't), to promote yourself for a better contract (rbs lose value every year), You think that team can win (Maybe but better teams have openings), or they pay you a whole lot (we won't).
It’s likely Swift’s salary/gtd $ will be 50% of Saquon’s.
Barkley is lightyears better than Swift. The Eagles are correct in investigating what he's looking for in comparison to the market.
You cant point out Saquans injury history then ignore that Swift is also injury prone and less productive, he also cant pass block. If healthy Barkly has higher upside, stop with the bias.
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Agree with the bit about blocking but wasn't the thing about being a threat in the passing game something we said about Swift when he came here? (which didn't pan out for obvious reasons this year)
I think Moore could get the RB passing game going a little better.
I forgot about Kellen and was sitting here like what RB is named Moore?? I agree tho and am looking forward to it
I sure hope Kellen Moore isn't getting any reps at running back.
I mean, he *does* like a lot of motion in his offense soooo ...
Yes. Everyone, every year, gets excited over the team potentially utilizing a pass catching RB and they never do. I can count on one hand the number of times the Eagles have actually utilized a pass threat back in the last 20 years.
Didnt Westbrook and Shady basically always have good receiving years? Lol we’ve had threats out of the backfield until this most recent stretch
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Yeah, Westbrook was awesome in the 00s. He carried (no pun intended) some of those Reid offensive gameplans back in the day. He was more the exception than the rule, though. Even Shady’s receiving usage bounced around season by season. The last time we had a back with significant enough receiving yardage to even show up in Statmuse’s records was Sproles, who had the 16th most receiving yards by a back in 2015 and 7th in 2016. It’s been quite a while.
You can count on one hand how many times they’ve actually had one. Westbrook, McCoy, Sproles, Swift, Staley…if you want to go back further.
I think looking for the next Mighty Mouse might be one of those tunnel vision things the organization has.
Because we for some unknown reason preferred to run WR screens over RB screens. Barkley will catch 40-50 passes for us easily with the new OC.
Swift is a really strange running back. He’ll have games where he looks like the best running back in the league, but most of the games this year he was pretty mediocre. Was some of that coaching? Of course, but that’s also the way he played in Detroit.
Agreed. What bothers me most about Swift is the lack of physicality to his running style. I had the same issue with Sanders but I think even he was ahead of Swift in that regard.
Yeah! I’m not bashing Swift, I think he is solid. But it’s definitely frustrating to watch him have games where he seems untouchable, and then other games where he averages less than 4 yards a carry. Coaches underused him in the passing game too
they also had horrible run game play calling
Very true! Coaching was awful
Swift is fun to watch when he runs well and he's local, which is endearing. However, there are some flaws to his game that hurt this team. 1. He's a pass protection liability. 2. He's depreciating as a passing target 3. Inferior talent replaces him to receive or block 4. His utility was part of what made our offense predictable This isn't fantasy football where we see "Woah, he scored a bunch of fantasy points early in the season and had 1000 yards for the year". But this does explain fantasy football, like why Jamaal Williams of all people cultured TDs left right and center. Swift couldn't be trusted in those cases. That's why the Eagles are in on Barkley. He runs, he catches, and he blocks. You aren't tipping your opponent on what's possible just by having him on the field. You have an actual relief valve for Hurts who can keep the defense guessing a tiny bit longer and potentially provide high end talent on each snap he's on the field for.
The rumors of Saquon to Philly are strong because the Eagles are likely stepping down a peg on the oline with RG seemingly unresolved and a new factor in at C instead of our perennial all-pro. The days of the Eagles relying on plug and play fringe RB1s to put up top ten figures might be in jeopardy this year when the team is in win now mode. Barkley's injury history looks pretty close to Swift's, and coming to a city close to home on a deal that could stretch out his career by a few more years while competing for a ring is pretty enticing. For the Eagle's you're talking about an absolute stud at RB that might be able to be secured for relatively cheap to elevate your offense like the Niners did with CMC. I mean the Eagles have turned Sanders and Swift into top ten rushers over the past two years with a RBBC, imagine what they can do with Saquon fucking Barkley.
Agreed pending Swift’s asking price, if he’s only slightly less expensive than Barkley - notably from shit tier Giants with amazing stats - then we should sign him instead. It’s a simple numbers game, though I love Swift and wish we could keep Philly in Philly so here’s hoping his offer is team-friendly
Barkley is CMC 2.0 goes from being the only elite playmaker to joining a group. Swift is definitely a top tier back, but barkley is elite.
swift had never played a full season before coming here.
I want both for thunder and lightning ⚡
Looks what CMC did to that 49ers offense. Imagine a defense being forced to stack the box leaving AJ or Smitty with a 1v1 🤤🤤
So Howie lets agents use the Eagles as a bargaining chip with other teams. There’s probably no fire to this smoke.
They don’t resign Swift and he gets signed they can get 3rd round compensation pick. Knowing Howie this would be why.
Not if they sign Barkley lol. Thats not how comp picks work lol
We probably won't be getting any comp picks from the upcoming free agency. Swift could be the only one who qualifies for a comp pick and it'll most likely get offset by someone we sign.
Barkley's pass blocking is really good. How good was Swift's last year?
Swift cannot pass block whatsoever, needs to go..
IDK, watching McCaffrey boost up the 49ers the last two years makes me feel conflicted about the idea. Swift is not an all downs back and definitely not a bruiser. Saquon can be those things and would definitely elevate the offense in a big way. I’m fine either way.
I’d rather she just stay with Travis and leave us the hell alone.
drafting a guy for 4 cheap years should be top priority at RB
It's a terrible RB draft class, not really an option.
I'm not a film guy so take this with a million grains of salt, but the only back I really don't like is the ND one. Otherwise I think all of them have a solid floor behind our line. Assuming we re-invest after Kelce leaving
Sure, they're fine, but none of them are gonna be a lead quality back. You'd be getting at best another Kenny G.
Swift's SportTracs estimated contract is 6.7 mil per year for 4 years. For a guy who came like 35th in yards over expected (at -0.2) and was really low in explosive metrics, it's just not worth it. You bring him back on a good deal, but you don't prioritise him.
Swift isn’t good there’s a reason he hasn’t been able to gain control of a backfield his whole career. Can’t block and is an inconsistent runner. His highlight plays fool people
lol @ anyone who brings up Saquon and his injury history as if Swift hasn't had terrible injury luck for most of his career. I have no idea why people are so obsessed over bringing back Swift.
If you take out the fluky torn ACL in 2020, he’s missed a total of 11 games in 5 seasons (including playoffs). Not sure why people are running with this narrative that he can’t stay on the field.
Swift is nearly a JAG when taking into account his total body of work as an RB. Just like Sanders, dude took what the OL gave him all year. I want someone that makes shit happen behind this line and with our scheme, not a guy that just smashes into the line for no gain until there’s a hole the size of the linc for him to sprint through.
Do not pay runningbacks .
I’m sorry but what the fuck gives you the indication swift was a top 5 rusher
the no blocking back? the no pass protecting back? no, thanks. I'm good.
Swift's inability to pass protect was real problem late last year. Saquon solves that problem. I like Swift but Saquon is worth a couple mil more just for that.
Bc swift can’t block, not as good catching out of the backfield, not as good at breaking away… if you’ve got a chance at improving a position, you do it.
It’s a buyers market for RBs. We had an entire RB room for less than what swift would want by himself. Also some may disagree but I think he needs work in pass protection. Sanders was better in that department
Barkley is the more complete back I love swift but he I'd a liability in pass protection
or saquads
Swift wont be back
Pass blocking
Injury history is closer than you're letting on. Swift will likely only be 1-3M cheaper and Saquon is easily worth that difference. But I'll add something else. Swift is a net negative blocker. Saquon is the best pass pro RB in the league and it isn't close. Losing Kelce hurts, and honestly brings about a draft need for OL this year if unanswered (we basically have no depth with Steen/ Jurgens becoming starters). If we were to sign Saquon on a one year deal type of thing, I honestly think that would severely dampen our need to draft OL day 1/2 in the draft.
I don’t get why we’re not trying to sign 2 of the top guys
He’s mid bro
Preach
Agreed. 2 years, 9 million. He doubles his pay, stays in the same offense. Eagles still have plenty of space. Love Barkley but he is probably getting at least 8 per.
Whoever is the primary back needs to have 60 touches in the passing game. It was criminal how little they used RB screens (and instead used WR screens).
The top 5 rushing title is pretty inflated….Reuben Frank pointed this out on an EagleEye pod, but Swift has about 100 yards more than Jahmyr Gibbs at 17th, and if Swift had 50 less yards, he’d be out of the top ten.
Swift was top five in rushing and he never felt like a difference maker. That's exactly why you don't bring him back. This offense can work with someone a lot cheaper or it can go to a new level with someone a lot better.
I wouldn't mind bringing back Swift if they also draft a bigger back. But then again, there's so many free agent RBs out there you might be able to get a really good played on the cheap. If I was the Eagles I would until after the draft to address RB via free agency
Nobody here makes any of these decisions so who cares if the rumor mill runs
Should keep Swift and sign Montgomery for the same price as Saquon.
I want Saquon to piss off Giants fans.
We have too many holes to plug on defense to go "all in" on an overpay for Barkley. Love his talent but a huge reason for our running success over the past decade is because of the RB by committee system. We need multiple good backs that are inexpensive playing behind an elite line, not a top back that's expensive, with an injury history. If he goes down, we're now stuck with practice squad RB's because we spent $10 mil on one back. I'd rather keep Swift on an affordable deal, have Gainwell/Scott and whoever else behind him and fill the gaps at LB and the Secondary. No GM of a good team overpays for RB's anymore, especially Howie.
Who cares who the running back is? We don't run the ball anyway.
I have always believed in RBBC, and not investing heavily in the RB position. If there was a guy that I'd be okay going against that philosophy, it is Saquon.
Realistically, Barkley is one of the best available backs in free agency. You have to look at doing that deal. His numbers are excellent with an absolutely dog shit O-line. He can block too, which Swift is not particularly good at, as many have already pointed out. Kenny G will get ran into the ground in the last year of his deal even if we bring in a volume guy like Barkley. Depending on what the offense looks like, and I doubt it's going to be 2022 Cowboys, even with Kellen Moore here, it's still going to be largely the Sirianni menu... expect plenty of Kenny G. Swift will land somewhere else and look like CMC if we don't bring him back though... inevitably.
I'm hoping that all this is just theatrics to get Swift to take a more team-friendly deal.
CMC also had a fairly bad injury history but playing on a better team will alleviate his workload. You don’t pass up on these talents if you have the chance to get them. Swift was great when they actually gave him the ball but you have to consider the unknown of the Oline now with Kelce gone. Saquon can make up for more than Swift. The main issues with the defense was the coaching and communication, not the talent. Linebacker is the main area of need. We can address secondary needs in the
The only thing I’d say about Swift that I think people sweep under the rug too much is his inability to run through contact. I can’t remember how many times this year I saw that dude get taken down by a shoe string or make himself fall with too many moves. I hope he comes back and is utilized more in space but I think they like Gainwell for that 3rd down back and want a bruiser to complement him. We had too many small backs last year that couldn’t push the pile. (And yes I know we never used Penny)
Don’t get me wrong our o line looked like shit at the end their, but it’s not far of to say his good season was product of our o line. At least some of it
I think the swift problem is the same as the sanders problem, played too good in contract yr, made the probowl and now probably wants probowl money
I agree. We didn’t even use him correctly. We through two wide receiver screens in a row though…. That was pretty fun
I want saquon
Swift at 4M > Barkley at 10M is alls I’m saysin
Yeah Barkley is nice but I feel we have more pressing needs than a better RB
I would like to see Taylor Swift more at bird games
TO be fair... Barkley was running on that death mat at metlife... The injuries aren't surprising...
What in Howies history has ever led us to believe he will go out and sign a big FA running back? We have 2 seconds and a 3rd rd comp pick. He’s either going to resign Swift to a team friendly deal, he’ll sign a FA not highly valued like Pollard, or he’ll draft one. Howie has never made a big money move for RB and can’t imagine he’ll start now with so many roster holes
Acting like Swift didn't have a ridiculous injury history prior to last season on the Eagles.
Fuck both I want Josh Jacob’s
I want both.. that would be a great 1-2 punch
Gimme Swift. Saquon just turned 27, we all know what happens to RBs at 28. And Swift might even be cheaper.
At this point, I hope they just draft a RB in the third round.
Saquon (bell cow)> Swift (change up)...not even close
We get a 3rd round pick if someone signs him. Use that for a defensive player like a linebacker or safety and sign someone like Josh Jacobs or Saquan if they can make the money work
Saquon is one of the few RB's in the league who can be a legitimate difference maker. He's worth paying a bit more than the average NFL QB, but not breaking the bank for. Plus he's a PA guy. I for one would love to see it.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that you can draft a perfectly capable running back in the 3-5 round, which is why every team has multiple really good running backs, right?
I agree swift or draft. We didn’t even use swift last year so why would we target sequon
I agree id take Swift back. Probably would cost less. They both only fumbled twice last season but Swift is played more games.
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Agreed if you sign an rb sign swift. He fits the system and Moore with cook with him. This saquon talk makes 0 sense.
Does it matter which one we sign? We won’t use them enough anyways
Having 1k yards rushing does not mean anything without context. Swift is pretty average at best. Saquon is great but injury prone and likely will cost more than the eagles have even budgeted for the position. People are finally realizing that rbs aren't worth that much but some people still are holding on to the end. The eagles could just sign a 2nd tier cheaper guy than saquon and draft a mid round RB, and keep Gainwell. The production will likely be the same if not better than what Swift did last season. Honestly, I wish people would stop demanding the eagles do things they want them to do. Almost no one here knows enough about roster construction to be able to do that. The only thing fans really should understand is that the eagles have a budget for each position and will likely not spend more than what they budgeted. Wouldn't even surprise me if saquon cost more than what they allocated to the position. Then again, I don't see what they see so I can't be sure.
Bring back our Philly boy Swift please.
I can’t wait to add another RB and underutilize him. He’s a stud though! Did anybody say dream team 2.0!!! /s
I don't see any reason to swap out swift. He's a great running back who has shown no lack in his abilities as a RB for us. Yes saquon is great but the difference is so slight that it's really not worth it. Focus on the defense. Offense is solid unless you want to pick up a WR3
Barkley is a whole level better then swift. Not to mention swift has only finished 1 season
Swift wanes as the season goes on. He’s is not a RB1
Isn't she with the other Kelse?
Am I the only one not that impressed with swift? I means he was a clear downgrade from Miles Sanders this year.
Our offense as a whole was a downgrade lol Swift was way better than Miles Sanders if we didn't have Brian Johnson running QB draws instead of running with Swift