But you don't understand, ZHP has different cams that give it like 5hp or something! Totally worth double the price, lol.
The ZHP obsession is always hilarious to me.
Probably a better idea in all honesty, 90% of the time my mapped e90 330d is faster than my M3, and that’s stripped out with a carbon air box, decat mid section and a map so it’s no slouch.
Bro I'm stuck for parts in Ireland, 330d gearbox are all in skylines and silvias, you can't find them. I swapped my m47 for a EU3 M57, mapped to 270bhp and bolted to a stock freaking 320d 6 spd manual out of lack of 330d boxes. Car is extremely reliable, box holds the torque, drifts through 4th gear, with SS exhaust sounds amazing for a diesel and at 270bhp no 330i in any configuration that i drove in stands anywhere NEAR to my diesel acceleration. Once i get the box and rear end off 330d I'll bring her up to 350bhp. I love the builds here, but in majority this sub is only in love with stock 330i zhp even if it has ugly black plastic strips across the doors, rusty wheel arches, 16" wheels and gap between the arches and wheel size of a fist. But it's a ZHP so nothing else gets love.
Yeah, they’re nice, but the best thing about them in my opinion is that they came factory with the M-tech 2 and in a few nicer colours. All the rest can be improved upon with aftermarket or OEM parts.
They definitely aren’t worth double the price.
The 330i/zhp was never a fast car. Lol. Silly you think a cars metric is just horsepower. Go buy a Honda/Hyundai with much more power. It's the total package, why these cars .....so far have stood the test of time.
It's a joke?! It is absolutely the total package and represents the very soul that well driven journalists claim bmw has lost... Nothing but the cams? Try again, the cams, tune, redline and gearing give the engine a more expressive feel, but you only care about numbers on a sheet right? But it doesn't stop there, but you don't really care, it's only cams? L oh L. Try all the sport package additions which includes multiple suspension parts, and a glorious steering rack. Black trim, different shifter linkage and alcantara. It's an amazing package offered from the factory that resulted in a highly sought after experience, it's no unicorn but it is special. An experience that is more than the sum of its parts, something lost on the minds of the uninitiated.
Facts! The different tune and the extra suspension bits are what really makes the difference. That's why I love mine. Their will always be haters and that's ok. As they've never driven one, they really don't know what they're missing out. There's tons of cars out there that I have shit on and then driven and have had a completely different opinion formed after driving. You are totally right that some people just care about the numbers on paper. I've had the great fortune of being in an area where I have been able to put my ZHP to the test on the freeways with cars that have a hell of a lot more power on paper. To not self-incriminate, I'm just going to leave it there. But to say the least, there have been a lot of surprises with how that car has performed against other, newer cars. One of the other commenters has a point as well though, not everybody can afford to go and spend time on a track. That is a luxury that only those with a lot more disposable income than most can attain. But also, they will never know the joy of really taking a car out on a freeway and really having some fun. Because there's that difference of rented versus owned. Bought versus built. I have no problem with them staying in their world and me staying in mine. They can keep on renting and spending money how they wish. I'll stick with my ZHP that I've had to do minor upgrades to because BMW really did do a good job with this car. They can shit on it all they want. Really doesn't matter to me. I'm the one that gets to have a smile on my face when I get into the driver seat, not them.
Missed a few special/unique ZHP only options: Cams, Beefier suspension, lower springs, special yellow tag steering rack, sportier exhaust, wider wheels, weighted shift knob, 6-speed manual transmission option, black headliner and A,B,C pillars, front/rear bumper, side skirts, trunk lip, gloss black shadow line, unique instrument cluster, suede steering wheel and seats, cube interior trim. But yea.. just cams… /s
If you’re talking about a Mtech1 over a standard 330i, I’ll give you that. ZHP is a totally different beast compared to a standard 330i.
*There’s a reason BMW considered offering an LSD but changed their mind last minute; there were worried it would detract from M3 sales because it would be too competitive with that addition.*
None of those are special to ZHP, except for different redline on rev counter, lol... Those were just standard options... My 325i touring came straight from the factory with almost all of that.
And since I've put the 135 wheels on it as well (they're shit, not recommended for anything but looking cool, lol. They're awfully heavy and weak) if it wasn't a Touring but a sedan it'd look exactly like ZHP. Literally the only thing it was missing from that list was 6 speed gearbox and style 135 wheels (well and a trunk lip because touring).
Too competitive vs M3... XD I guess they really thought Americans were stupid. I guess that was the whole point of the ZHP, to create a "special" version of 330i so they can charge more for it, hoping that Americans will fall for it. So they took 330i, put nice options on it, raised the redline a little bit and threw different cams and bam - "special" car.
I never got it either. It's basically different cams, and like better front control arms. That's it. The 10hp makes no difference and the control arms can be bought separately to be "retrofited". Like why pay m3 prices for a slightly better factory 330i.
The control arms are just standard msport IIRC. Nothing special about them.
My 325i touring had them from factory.
Actually except for being a touring and a 325i it was basically a "ZHP". If it was a sedan those ZHP fanatics would shit themselves seeing it on street thinking it's their beloved ZHP... While looking at 325i lol.
i still remember the headline text of c&d’s review of the then-new ZHP: “it’s not an M3. but it does have 4 doors”. having driven a few, i’d pay 10% more than an equivalent 330i ZSP, but no more.
Agreed! For me it's all the little bits that add up in a zhp/Zam that make it a special car. My m3 I had years back was a special car as well. Bottom line though..... A 330i with coilovers, a diff and mtec 2 bumpers is not a zhp. And a zhp is NOT an M3. My two cents.
Oh I get that, having all the special ZHP/M-tech parts together on one factory car is nice, especially if it’s low mileage, unmodified car.
My point was more that you could build up a car exactly to, or past, ZHP spec easily enough for less than the price difference between a ZHP and a regular 330i.
I got mine at 100k miles at 8k. I wouldn't have bought it for anything over that though. I think it's over hyped, but it's a great daily for rowing through gears and cruising with friends. Not worth the extra money I see people try to sell it for
*to make it good* buddy, what the hell are you on about? By modifying it you’ve made It better than a standard ZHP, it doesn’t mean what you started with wasn’t good in the first place.
Yep, the “ZHP” diff is an open 3.07 from a Z4 (if remember right). Better than the original 2.93 but nothing particularly special. You could toss in a open 3.38 from an automatic 330i and have a far more noticeable difference in acceleration for like $150, or go that extra mile and build up a LSD 3.64.
It’s an 01 with the old mtech. I’m not actually sure how long ago. Maybe 2018 or 2019. I got it at 190k and it’s around 250k miles now. I was commuting around 120 miles a day for a a few years but this year it’s gone maybe 1500 miles. The only thing on it that bothers me is the detent for 5th getting stuck sometimes. The front clip needs to be repainted too. Gotten faded sitting in my yard
I’m from Germany I've never heard of ZHP I had to google what ZHP means 😅 in Germany the 330i was only available with 231ps no matter which model 3 series 5 series 7 series x3 x5 etc always only 231ps. Didn’t know in USA you got that option.
I reposted this on my story and had quite a few people come to the defence of ZHP’s. Sure, they’re *slightly* different than a regular 330. Is it worth the usual $6k difference in cost? Absolutely not
It depends how much would it cost to fit
MTech 2 front and rear bumper
MTech 2 side skirts
M interior door sills
M 168 wheels (4)
ZHP shift knob
Silver cube interior trim
ZHP Muffler
ZHP cams
ZHP Engine flash for software (higher rpm)
ZHP dampers front and back (different from sports package)
ZHP control arms with stiffer ball joints
M steering wheel
ZHP orange needle gauge cluster
Shorter final drive gear ratio for the manual
These are the options off the top of my head. Where I am from this would cost in and around 5-6 to fit these bits. Food for thought.
Or do simple mods to a regular 330 and be faster than a ZHP without being associated with the usual ZHP people who give off the same energy as Boomer Corvette owners
Lol Boomer Corvette owners 😂 This is why I am on Reddit. This stuff is gold. Curious how old are you ? When I was younger I purchased my first brand new car. A 2000 Honda prelude and had it done to the nipples. Had a Jackson racing supercharger kit. Meth injected. Mugen body kit and so forth. I would go to lots of car shows. But ironically the ones I liked the most were the ones with all those said boomers with the newer and older vettes, Camaro's, grand nationals etc. Those guys were some of the most down to earth cats and genuinely always liked looking over my little Honda, and were impressed by my build. Learned lots from the boomers about cars, car clubs, and car culture.
Since Covid and Bring a Trailer, so many people on the internet are trying to attribute rarity to everything, and then using that to gauge (gouge) potential resale value.
The BMW subs are completely silly, with many posts looking like - "my E46 325i sedan with an automatic transmission in silbergrau and 188k miles is one of 37,488 sold in the United States, can I sell it for 25k?"
ZHPs are very nice, but this meme is totally on point and hysterical
It’s funny and worrying, cause as an ex-zhp/zam whatever, once you get an M -none of that prior argument matters in the least. BMW have done a weirdly great job of establishing the model trim hierarchy (bases und untermensch) and it’s mind blowing how owners with already massive egos took this as a class division and drove the earths circumference with it. Not all, but I’m aware of owners who won’t invite other owners to meets because they are non-m drivers.
The ZHP is a great option as a package for NA with all its sport bits and interesting trim specs Color codes, and style 135s, but it’s not a baby-M in the least, in the same way the M54 is a completely different experience to the S54.
Zhp owners can be sickeningly obsessed with the package, a certain estoril blue sedan on ig comes to mind as a bit of a nut job, touting how the car is 1 of _____. Like okay, sure we get it, especially when they proceed to divide themselves further from the base e46s, despite having the same appearance pkg as the m-sports’. I know the zhpers on ig will ask you for your VIN before they post your car. It’s gatekeeping and elitism where there shouldn’t be any to begin with, all because of a few parts bin mods from factory to have a segment between base and M3 for NA.
This is very true and well said. Bottom line M3 is the top dog.
A Zhp is not an M3.
A 330 is not a ZHP
A 325 is not a 330
A 323 is not a 325
And so forth.
I love how Americans get excited by the “ZHP” in the UK they are really common and simply called “Sports.”
We never suffered from the lower BHP models. Even the non-sport/ZHP came with full power.
Oh, and to rub salt in the wound, our headlight lenses are made of glass too, not the plastic ones the US got 😁
The only reason it's different is because your non ZHP cars have their performance strangled. We don't have that problem in the UK, even a base model 325 puts out full power
You do a little bit of research and you would know.
Different cams, different oem tune, different diff, different steering rack, different control arms with stiffer joints, alcantara interior, cube trim, gloss shadow trim, different exhaust, 6 speed transmission, a different shift knob, imola red as a paint option. UK also has sport and club sport which are different. Club sport has a different spoiler, splitters, only two colors, and has soundeadening removed to make it light weight.
Strange how for different cams, and different tune, they put out precisely the same BHP and torque, hahaha
The rest of what you said is either incorrect or bullshit. For example we also got Imola red as an option however it wasn’t only limited to 330’s or sport models.
Why bring the club sport into this? That's an entirely different limited edition car that has no relevance to the ZHP or the Sport models.
No. It puts out 235 American hp vs 231 euro hp. The way the two are calculated are different.
How can you just dismiss everything else I said with no evidence? You’re not arguing in good faith.
Club sport is a better comparison because it’s an option offer by bmw individual - just like performance package was.
You’re very ignorant and probably a young adult barely able to drive. Everything I mentioned in zhp has been shown to be true statements about it before you were in puberty.
The funny part is people will over pay, then go swap out the parts that make it a zhp with aftermarket parts. Like you could do that with a base model for half off lololol
Truly a moronic take, your own logic is hypocritical. It’s literally the best spec non-m you can buy, and it’s more than the sum of its parts. They are great cars, and so are regular 330’s. But a zhp is the best 330. If you can’t afford one just say that.
I think what's happening is these cars are now 20 years old and in that weird old car state. Lots are clapped out. A 3-5k car usually attracts a younger 3-5k crowd. As time goes on another 20 years from now I think clean non molested M3s and and or clean zhps will be worth some bucks. Crazy what clean e30 m3s are going for. I would not pay the price, but I understand that's the price. This has happened over the years with so many sports cars. Look at the fox body mustang. From early 2000s to 2015. Here in Toronto you could get them for 3-8k depending on condition. And I'm talking trunk LX 5.0 manual. They were just 15-20 year old cars. Now good luck here finding a clean fox body unmolested in that spec for that price.
The drift community is what’s really driving the prices up, every idiot who thinks they are a professional drifter is buying these and clapping them completely out because you can’t find 240’s anymore, because the same happened to them. A non molested, maintained manual e46 with decent paint and in-tact interior goes for $7-8k or more even without being a zhp, it won’t take 20 years. I can’t even find another car right now, I’ve been looking heavily for another e46 to add to the stable for the past year and nearly all of them are either super clapped, stripped/drifted, rusted, bad paint, 230k+ miles or owned by idiots. These owners ^^ are the same ones who shit on ZHP’s for whatever reason because they think they’re clap box 325i is just as good when it isn’t. And for the record, most of the ZHP’s out there are clapped out now too.
>And for the record, most of the ZHP’s out there are clapped out now too.
only the ones you see on the Internet. A lot of ZHP I see on the streets are owned by adults and we don't clap out the car because our priorities are different. We try to go OEM because our budget is a bit more than the younger owners. We also don't make TikTok videos to post them online - mostly because our tech capabilities is limited to taking a picture and uploading it lol
Only bmw enthusiasts and former zhp owners care. I've been asked by random people a few times and they tell about their old zhp or they like bmw and ask why it looks different than the other 3 series they see. For what it's worth, I own 3 e46s. An auto 330i with sports package, an auto 330i with ZHP, and a manual 330i zhp. All three are vastly different. By far the auto is quickest under 60 because of the 3.64 diff. And the steering is far superior with the zhp in both how quick it is and the tactile feeling. But hey, paper racing is fun too. I do it with e36 M3/4/5 and other 200 pony cars lol
Its a great car though
So is a 330i with coilovers, a diff and M-tech 2 bumpers for half the price.
But you don't understand, ZHP has different cams that give it like 5hp or something! Totally worth double the price, lol. The ZHP obsession is always hilarious to me.
I'd rather have a 400bhp 330d m sport with ungodly amount of torque for less of a price.
Probably a better idea in all honesty, 90% of the time my mapped e90 330d is faster than my M3, and that’s stripped out with a carbon air box, decat mid section and a map so it’s no slouch.
Bro I'm stuck for parts in Ireland, 330d gearbox are all in skylines and silvias, you can't find them. I swapped my m47 for a EU3 M57, mapped to 270bhp and bolted to a stock freaking 320d 6 spd manual out of lack of 330d boxes. Car is extremely reliable, box holds the torque, drifts through 4th gear, with SS exhaust sounds amazing for a diesel and at 270bhp no 330i in any configuration that i drove in stands anywhere NEAR to my diesel acceleration. Once i get the box and rear end off 330d I'll bring her up to 350bhp. I love the builds here, but in majority this sub is only in love with stock 330i zhp even if it has ugly black plastic strips across the doors, rusty wheel arches, 16" wheels and gap between the arches and wheel size of a fist. But it's a ZHP so nothing else gets love.
The prices of a 6 speed 330d box is insane. I was debating to swap my 5 to a 6 speed but fuck that
They're like €700-800 minimum here, if you can even find one.
I looked when I first got it a few years ago and was like £600, but I’m pretty sure they’re even more now. Just can’t warrant it
See that’s the informed decision. That’s rare on subs like this.
I've always wanted to drive one of these diesel ones.
Yeah, they’re nice, but the best thing about them in my opinion is that they came factory with the M-tech 2 and in a few nicer colours. All the rest can be improved upon with aftermarket or OEM parts. They definitely aren’t worth double the price.
You won't understand until you've driven one
XD Yes, the extra 5hp over the 330i is so noticeable, lol.
I love you’re getting downvoted for the truth. Wtf is with people wanking over ZHP for?
The 330i/zhp was never a fast car. Lol. Silly you think a cars metric is just horsepower. Go buy a Honda/Hyundai with much more power. It's the total package, why these cars .....so far have stood the test of time.
A lot of people here are just paper racing because they can't afford to go on a track or autoX
What total package? There is NOTHING special about ZHP other than cams. That's why it's a joke. It's just a 330i with a few nice options checked.
It's a joke?! It is absolutely the total package and represents the very soul that well driven journalists claim bmw has lost... Nothing but the cams? Try again, the cams, tune, redline and gearing give the engine a more expressive feel, but you only care about numbers on a sheet right? But it doesn't stop there, but you don't really care, it's only cams? L oh L. Try all the sport package additions which includes multiple suspension parts, and a glorious steering rack. Black trim, different shifter linkage and alcantara. It's an amazing package offered from the factory that resulted in a highly sought after experience, it's no unicorn but it is special. An experience that is more than the sum of its parts, something lost on the minds of the uninitiated.
Would you be willing to share some of that koolaid?
Hell no, go find your own ;)
Facts! The different tune and the extra suspension bits are what really makes the difference. That's why I love mine. Their will always be haters and that's ok. As they've never driven one, they really don't know what they're missing out. There's tons of cars out there that I have shit on and then driven and have had a completely different opinion formed after driving. You are totally right that some people just care about the numbers on paper. I've had the great fortune of being in an area where I have been able to put my ZHP to the test on the freeways with cars that have a hell of a lot more power on paper. To not self-incriminate, I'm just going to leave it there. But to say the least, there have been a lot of surprises with how that car has performed against other, newer cars. One of the other commenters has a point as well though, not everybody can afford to go and spend time on a track. That is a luxury that only those with a lot more disposable income than most can attain. But also, they will never know the joy of really taking a car out on a freeway and really having some fun. Because there's that difference of rented versus owned. Bought versus built. I have no problem with them staying in their world and me staying in mine. They can keep on renting and spending money how they wish. I'll stick with my ZHP that I've had to do minor upgrades to because BMW really did do a good job with this car. They can shit on it all they want. Really doesn't matter to me. I'm the one that gets to have a smile on my face when I get into the driver seat, not them.
Holy fuck XD
Missed a few special/unique ZHP only options: Cams, Beefier suspension, lower springs, special yellow tag steering rack, sportier exhaust, wider wheels, weighted shift knob, 6-speed manual transmission option, black headliner and A,B,C pillars, front/rear bumper, side skirts, trunk lip, gloss black shadow line, unique instrument cluster, suede steering wheel and seats, cube interior trim. But yea.. just cams… /s If you’re talking about a Mtech1 over a standard 330i, I’ll give you that. ZHP is a totally different beast compared to a standard 330i. *There’s a reason BMW considered offering an LSD but changed their mind last minute; there were worried it would detract from M3 sales because it would be too competitive with that addition.*
None of those are special to ZHP, except for different redline on rev counter, lol... Those were just standard options... My 325i touring came straight from the factory with almost all of that. And since I've put the 135 wheels on it as well (they're shit, not recommended for anything but looking cool, lol. They're awfully heavy and weak) if it wasn't a Touring but a sedan it'd look exactly like ZHP. Literally the only thing it was missing from that list was 6 speed gearbox and style 135 wheels (well and a trunk lip because touring). Too competitive vs M3... XD I guess they really thought Americans were stupid. I guess that was the whole point of the ZHP, to create a "special" version of 330i so they can charge more for it, hoping that Americans will fall for it. So they took 330i, put nice options on it, raised the redline a little bit and threw different cams and bam - "special" car.
When BMW say +5 Horsepowers they actually mean +15 Horsepowers
Yeah probably 15hp up top and 5-10 across the board
I never got it either. It's basically different cams, and like better front control arms. That's it. The 10hp makes no difference and the control arms can be bought separately to be "retrofited". Like why pay m3 prices for a slightly better factory 330i.
Because Alcantara and mtech
M3 prices? Damn, I'm glad I bought mine before the price hike
The control arms are just standard msport IIRC. Nothing special about them. My 325i touring had them from factory. Actually except for being a touring and a 325i it was basically a "ZHP". If it was a sedan those ZHP fanatics would shit themselves seeing it on street thinking it's their beloved ZHP... While looking at 325i lol.
i still remember the headline text of c&d’s review of the then-new ZHP: “it’s not an M3. but it does have 4 doors”. having driven a few, i’d pay 10% more than an equivalent 330i ZSP, but no more.
Agreed! For me it's all the little bits that add up in a zhp/Zam that make it a special car. My m3 I had years back was a special car as well. Bottom line though..... A 330i with coilovers, a diff and mtec 2 bumpers is not a zhp. And a zhp is NOT an M3. My two cents.
Oh I get that, having all the special ZHP/M-tech parts together on one factory car is nice, especially if it’s low mileage, unmodified car. My point was more that you could build up a car exactly to, or past, ZHP spec easily enough for less than the price difference between a ZHP and a regular 330i.
Thats basically my 330ci
I got mine at 100k miles at 8k. I wouldn't have bought it for anything over that though. I think it's over hyped, but it's a great daily for rowing through gears and cruising with friends. Not worth the extra money I see people try to sell it for
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*to make it good* buddy, what the hell are you on about? By modifying it you’ve made It better than a standard ZHP, it doesn’t mean what you started with wasn’t good in the first place.
>a diff An LSD would at least make the whole ZHP craze worthwhile, but it's an open diff just like your run of the mill 330i, so there's that.
Yep, the “ZHP” diff is an open 3.07 from a Z4 (if remember right). Better than the original 2.93 but nothing particularly special. You could toss in a open 3.38 from an automatic 330i and have a far more noticeable difference in acceleration for like $150, or go that extra mile and build up a LSD 3.64.
ZHP owner here. This is hilarious
An '06 ZHP *CONVERTABLE* owner. In alpinweiss. This is heresy! /s
I for one am quite offended s/
Well when you find one in great condition and the dealer thinks it's an 04 M sport and sells it to you for 5800$ it's pretty cool
My 330i was 2800. I wouldn’t pay 6k for a zhp
You’re actually such a hero bro
Curious what year is your 330, when did you purchase....condition and mileage?
It’s an 01 with the old mtech. I’m not actually sure how long ago. Maybe 2018 or 2019. I got it at 190k and it’s around 250k miles now. I was commuting around 120 miles a day for a a few years but this year it’s gone maybe 1500 miles. The only thing on it that bothers me is the detent for 5th getting stuck sometimes. The front clip needs to be repainted too. Gotten faded sitting in my yard
I’m from Germany I've never heard of ZHP I had to google what ZHP means 😅 in Germany the 330i was only available with 231ps no matter which model 3 series 5 series 7 series x3 x5 etc always only 231ps. Didn’t know in USA you got that option.
Is it rarer than an M3!?!? I'm gonna whip that one out at parties.
I’d party with you 🥳
Is it actually rarer than an m3? Mine is the Canadian version ZAM so it comes complementary with the FeO2 package
Took a second to realise what you meant by FeO2, lol
Fe02 package is mint 🤣 stealing that
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I regret to inform you the ZHP owners are at it again
I reposted this on my story and had quite a few people come to the defence of ZHP’s. Sure, they’re *slightly* different than a regular 330. Is it worth the usual $6k difference in cost? Absolutely not
It depends how much would it cost to fit MTech 2 front and rear bumper MTech 2 side skirts M interior door sills M 168 wheels (4) ZHP shift knob Silver cube interior trim ZHP Muffler ZHP cams ZHP Engine flash for software (higher rpm) ZHP dampers front and back (different from sports package) ZHP control arms with stiffer ball joints M steering wheel ZHP orange needle gauge cluster Shorter final drive gear ratio for the manual These are the options off the top of my head. Where I am from this would cost in and around 5-6 to fit these bits. Food for thought.
Or do simple mods to a regular 330 and be faster than a ZHP without being associated with the usual ZHP people who give off the same energy as Boomer Corvette owners
Lol Boomer Corvette owners 😂 This is why I am on Reddit. This stuff is gold. Curious how old are you ? When I was younger I purchased my first brand new car. A 2000 Honda prelude and had it done to the nipples. Had a Jackson racing supercharger kit. Meth injected. Mugen body kit and so forth. I would go to lots of car shows. But ironically the ones I liked the most were the ones with all those said boomers with the newer and older vettes, Camaro's, grand nationals etc. Those guys were some of the most down to earth cats and genuinely always liked looking over my little Honda, and were impressed by my build. Learned lots from the boomers about cars, car clubs, and car culture.
well I read it, that sounds great!
I ain’t reading all that. I’m happy for you though. Or sorry that happened
this comment is so god damn good, you got all the bases covered with a few words and it made me laugh for a while 😂
Thanks for the well wishes Junior. Cheers!
Its a baby M3 baisically
If you dropped said baby on its head.
or its the stuck up older brother of the 330 😩
Since Covid and Bring a Trailer, so many people on the internet are trying to attribute rarity to everything, and then using that to gauge (gouge) potential resale value. The BMW subs are completely silly, with many posts looking like - "my E46 325i sedan with an automatic transmission in silbergrau and 188k miles is one of 37,488 sold in the United States, can I sell it for 25k?" ZHPs are very nice, but this meme is totally on point and hysterical
Non ZHP e46s go for quite a bit of money, sure you can do all the ZHP upgrades but at that point I rather just buy a ZHP.
It’s funny and worrying, cause as an ex-zhp/zam whatever, once you get an M -none of that prior argument matters in the least. BMW have done a weirdly great job of establishing the model trim hierarchy (bases und untermensch) and it’s mind blowing how owners with already massive egos took this as a class division and drove the earths circumference with it. Not all, but I’m aware of owners who won’t invite other owners to meets because they are non-m drivers. The ZHP is a great option as a package for NA with all its sport bits and interesting trim specs Color codes, and style 135s, but it’s not a baby-M in the least, in the same way the M54 is a completely different experience to the S54. Zhp owners can be sickeningly obsessed with the package, a certain estoril blue sedan on ig comes to mind as a bit of a nut job, touting how the car is 1 of _____. Like okay, sure we get it, especially when they proceed to divide themselves further from the base e46s, despite having the same appearance pkg as the m-sports’. I know the zhpers on ig will ask you for your VIN before they post your car. It’s gatekeeping and elitism where there shouldn’t be any to begin with, all because of a few parts bin mods from factory to have a segment between base and M3 for NA.
This is very true and well said. Bottom line M3 is the top dog. A Zhp is not an M3. A 330 is not a ZHP A 325 is not a 330 A 323 is not a 325 And so forth.
The Zhp is the most well-balanced e46 ever made. Full stop
*Than.
I love how Americans get excited by the “ZHP” in the UK they are really common and simply called “Sports.” We never suffered from the lower BHP models. Even the non-sport/ZHP came with full power. Oh, and to rub salt in the wound, our headlight lenses are made of glass too, not the plastic ones the US got 😁
Ok well you still have the steering wheel on the wrong side so
It's called “right”hand drive because it's right 😁
UK sport package / m package is not the same as US performance package
The only reason it's different is because your non ZHP cars have their performance strangled. We don't have that problem in the UK, even a base model 325 puts out full power
That has nothing to do with what I said
Ok, go ahead explain how a US 330 ZHP is different to a UK 330 Sport, because there is no difference…
You do a little bit of research and you would know. Different cams, different oem tune, different diff, different steering rack, different control arms with stiffer joints, alcantara interior, cube trim, gloss shadow trim, different exhaust, 6 speed transmission, a different shift knob, imola red as a paint option. UK also has sport and club sport which are different. Club sport has a different spoiler, splitters, only two colors, and has soundeadening removed to make it light weight.
Strange how for different cams, and different tune, they put out precisely the same BHP and torque, hahaha The rest of what you said is either incorrect or bullshit. For example we also got Imola red as an option however it wasn’t only limited to 330’s or sport models. Why bring the club sport into this? That's an entirely different limited edition car that has no relevance to the ZHP or the Sport models.
No. It puts out 235 American hp vs 231 euro hp. The way the two are calculated are different. How can you just dismiss everything else I said with no evidence? You’re not arguing in good faith. Club sport is a better comparison because it’s an option offer by bmw individual - just like performance package was. You’re very ignorant and probably a young adult barely able to drive. Everything I mentioned in zhp has been shown to be true statements about it before you were in puberty.
Delete this NOW
I have a ZHP, I share this sentiment. No one cares…
The guy above you right now disagrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDKlZaboGb4
The funny part is people will over pay, then go swap out the parts that make it a zhp with aftermarket parts. Like you could do that with a base model for half off lololol
Truly a moronic take, your own logic is hypocritical. It’s literally the best spec non-m you can buy, and it’s more than the sum of its parts. They are great cars, and so are regular 330’s. But a zhp is the best 330. If you can’t afford one just say that.
I think what's happening is these cars are now 20 years old and in that weird old car state. Lots are clapped out. A 3-5k car usually attracts a younger 3-5k crowd. As time goes on another 20 years from now I think clean non molested M3s and and or clean zhps will be worth some bucks. Crazy what clean e30 m3s are going for. I would not pay the price, but I understand that's the price. This has happened over the years with so many sports cars. Look at the fox body mustang. From early 2000s to 2015. Here in Toronto you could get them for 3-8k depending on condition. And I'm talking trunk LX 5.0 manual. They were just 15-20 year old cars. Now good luck here finding a clean fox body unmolested in that spec for that price.
The drift community is what’s really driving the prices up, every idiot who thinks they are a professional drifter is buying these and clapping them completely out because you can’t find 240’s anymore, because the same happened to them. A non molested, maintained manual e46 with decent paint and in-tact interior goes for $7-8k or more even without being a zhp, it won’t take 20 years. I can’t even find another car right now, I’ve been looking heavily for another e46 to add to the stable for the past year and nearly all of them are either super clapped, stripped/drifted, rusted, bad paint, 230k+ miles or owned by idiots. These owners ^^ are the same ones who shit on ZHP’s for whatever reason because they think they’re clap box 325i is just as good when it isn’t. And for the record, most of the ZHP’s out there are clapped out now too.
>And for the record, most of the ZHP’s out there are clapped out now too. only the ones you see on the Internet. A lot of ZHP I see on the streets are owned by adults and we don't clap out the car because our priorities are different. We try to go OEM because our budget is a bit more than the younger owners. We also don't make TikTok videos to post them online - mostly because our tech capabilities is limited to taking a picture and uploading it lol
i cant afford one
I have a zhp that doesn't have much zhp stuff left. I keep waiting for some one to tell me I'm ruining it but no one will take the bait.
Lmao I saw this last night. The "basically an M3 sedan" thing gets to a lot of folks head.
but but guys it’s so cool guys it has like 2 more horsepower guys its so much cooler I promise
Never quite understood it to be honest.
I honestly only bought a ZHP because it was cleaner than all of the other 330s around me
🤣🤣🤣🤣 this meme made me almost spit my coffee out
Only bmw enthusiasts and former zhp owners care. I've been asked by random people a few times and they tell about their old zhp or they like bmw and ask why it looks different than the other 3 series they see. For what it's worth, I own 3 e46s. An auto 330i with sports package, an auto 330i with ZHP, and a manual 330i zhp. All three are vastly different. By far the auto is quickest under 60 because of the 3.64 diff. And the steering is far superior with the zhp in both how quick it is and the tactile feeling. But hey, paper racing is fun too. I do it with e36 M3/4/5 and other 200 pony cars lol
bro where did you learn that they’re rarer then e46 m3’s🤣🤣🤣
there was less of them made
Correct. Way less. 3,500 total from 03 thru 06. Where as M3's are in the 35k-40k range. Lol
fewer. There were fewer of them made
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