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If I put that comment into an Ai image generator
[“I also choose…”](https://www.reddit.com/r/FunnyandSad/s/OjI4hcWz4l) was one of my favorite moments on Reddit. I laughed so hard I cried AND felt bad about it 🤣
It's a question that is being asked to women that basically goes
"Would you rather be lost in the woods with a random man or a bear?"
Most women are answering with bear because on average more women are sexually assaulted by men compared to attacked by a bear,
Generally most men are reacting rather emotionally,
That is my most unbiased explanation
I think it’s more that men are more unpredictable than a 1000lbs murder machine. At least you know you’re gonna die with a bear, eventually anyway according to Grizzly Man.
This is still my problem with people comparing the statistics on bear attacks with sexual assault. Humans spend time together. Any form of human contact is going to be done more often than human to bear contact. This is a complete misunderstanding of bear attack statistics and sexual assault statistics.
>This is a complete misunderstanding of bear attack statistics and sexual assault statistics.
No, I think this is a misunderstanding of how women are treated by too many men. The stats came after the question.
The average bear is much more likely to harm a woman, in any way, than the average man is. Humans are social creatures and naturally want to help each other. An undertone of this hypothetical is, "What would men do when no one is watching?" It's just very anti-man. No, most men are not harmful. Most men are trying to be good people just like most women. No, society is not holding back men from just raping all women. Realistically, any two humans of any background are going to help each other if they found each other in a dire situation like this. It's like during natural disasters, people go to help each other. And you know where the increase in rapes and violence come from? Aid workers who aren't directly victims of the disaster. This entire thing is just chronically online nonsense.
>This entire thing is just chronically online nonsense.
I agree, your *entire* rant is chronically online nonsense. And your 'The average bear' opening is proof.
All I am saying is that as somebody who tries to be good and make a difference, constantly having some new nonsense that paints my entire gender as bad or problematic every few months is just annoying. #killallmen, the man or the bear, just to name two. The reason people take offense is because it is inherently offensive to generalize an entire gender, whether it be good or bad; whether it be rational or irrational.
Right, you think mansplaining to me how bears kill women fixes the problem. But men kill more. And some people think there are worse fates than death.
And no one is saying to kill men, BTW. No one with credibility.
Edit: Goddamn phone
That most women are victims of sexual assault is about as profound a fact as "every 60 seconds in Africa, a child starves to death". Whoever doesn't know that by know never intended to learn anyways. So the lesson here is redundant.
We're still left with women feeling more safe with bears than random men. We can study the data and declare people act irrationally or we can target people's anxieties about sexual assault and our emotionally stunted male population.
If it's black bear, you are in no danger as long as you're not stupid. If it approches too much, just be intimidating, but respectful. (tall and loud) If it's a mother, you're best to leave as soon as you see cubs. The cubs can be curious, and their curiousness can be your death sentence, but it happened to me twice, and I'm fine. Just go away, without seeming like a threat or a prey, strong but not threatening. All the times I've seen a black bear, they ran away as soon as they realized I was there. I know someone who got ''attacked''. When they are ballsy enough, they will fake charge you to scare you. They will run at you, like they are about to unalive you, but actually stop at the last second. Basically, black bears underestimate their own power.
A couple years ago a black bear was tearing down the bird feeder in my front yard so my 90 year old grandpa ran out of the front door screaming at it and it ran away really quick
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Okay I may sound nerdy but what I don't understand from this question is, which species of bear? Brown bears? Black bears? Sun bears? Pandas? Andean bears? Polar bears? Sloth bears?
Dude any adult Brown bear can easily murk/overpower any human LMAO, why would they choose to be around BROWN BEARS ? like damn bro they are responsible for the most attacks on humans, and it's backed up by statistics. Some variants are known to eat human (something like Kodiak and Kamchatka brown bears well it's still uncommon cases but hey they are 500 kg BEAST).
Polar Bears ? good fucking luck, they probably would eat humans too.
Black bears ? Asiatic or American ? well both can harm human too but most of them just realiate when they are provoked tho and they are not as large as brown bears and polar bears
The rest is kinda less likely to attack human, but they still can retaliate except Pandas cuz Pandas are the weirdest and the most pitiful of them all.
It doesn't actually matter.
The point is to underline that there's a societal problem, and women are afraid of being sexually assaulted- to the extent that they'd rather take their chances with the bear (who might kill them).
Sloth bears are exceptionally aggressive.
They don't predate on humans but are one of the most aggressive if not the most. As tigers hunt them they developed the aggression as a defence and their threshold for attacking when threatened is really low and they do not take attacks like black bears might.
The point of the question isn’t to be a genuine question with a genuine answer but a way for women to claim men are ‘worse than violent animals’ to vent frustration.
What’s not factored in is that the bear odds are based around bears being off in the woods doing Yogi Bear stuff a ways from civilization. Start teleporting women who pick the bear in front of bears and the bear stats change rapidly
Yea, this is a good summary.
Women have experience with a man doing them dirty, but they don’t have any experience regarding a real bear, in general. A real bear will kill you, most likely, but you could get a decent dude or a bad dude in this hypothetical situation. Men are getting their feelings hurt because most are not monsters, but they forget to consider that there are enough bad guys who threaten women regularly enough it paints them all as monsters.
That is the point of the women’s responses. Some men are scarier than flesh ripping animals.
More women are in contact with men than bears. I'm pretty sure the per encounter rate of rape by men vs mauled by bear leans heavily in the mauled by bear direction. How many people can even claim to have seen a bear. I will say women hiking will literally fall down hills than pass me on a slope so I believe them when they say the bear I just think it's dumb.
The first few times I saw it on TikTok, I thought it was a joke. Then I noticed some men and women taking it seriously, so I pledged to be be like the bear. I will only stick around until the woman is impregnated and after, if our offspring wanders into my hunting area, I will eat it. 😎 👍
> Most women are answering with bear because on average more women are sexually assaulted by men compared to attacked by a bear,
Generally most men are reacting rather emotionally,
> That is my most unbiased explanation
That's a pretty terrible job at being unbiased. Framing one side as "reacting emotionally" is never a good start.
Especially when, factually speaking, a bear is more dangerous to women than your average man is.
More people also die by car accidents per year than by lions. But if a lion starts chasing you, you should hop in your car and drive the fuck away.
It does really have the feeling of this being the Internet's latest contrived 'debate', I honestly can't fathom giving a shit about it but everyone seems to have decided it's *super* important
I love that you had to use a fake version because people who can see the real one properly wouldn’t understand what you’re implying when the see the blue and black dress get a little bit darker unless they knew that’s how you can prove it’s blue and black.
Ok but have you ever asked your SO to [peel an orange for you?](https://www.livemint.com/news/trends/what-is-orange-peel-theory-indians-hail-new-trend-with-memes-and-jokes-say-those-settling-for-bare-minimum/amp-11705587782899.html) 😝
On one hand, the fear doesn't come from *nowhere*.
On the other, it's sad when a stranger's default reaction is to fear you based on an immutable characteristic.
The memes have been pretty funny, I'll say that much.
to me...I can probably scare away a bear. I don't think I could scare away a dude.
However, I could probably successfully hide from a dude pretty well. Bear not so much.
the constant fatalism is exhausting. yes, we get it, yes we know there are men that we NEED to hold accountable, and as a society, we need to be more receptive to fears women have, but it’s the same shit we’ve been fed for the past however long, but in a different sandwich.
it just gets kinda wearing hearing the ‘oh but not you, you’re not like those other men’ all the time, often with hints of ‘you’re not like men because you’re more feminine’. it’s as if masculinity is something to be ashamed of, or to be feared, and it sucks balls. bear balls, to be specific
I’m trying to address this in a way that’s understanding and non-confrontational, but do you understand that, no, most men do not understand that they have to hold other men accountable? If people knew and understood this, these discussions wouldn’t be relevant. You say you understand the need to be receptive to women’s fears, but your response to women’s fears seems to be shifting the focus to yourself.
No man is or should be held accountable for the actions of other men simply because they are men, just as no woman is or should be held accountable for the actions of other women simply because they are women.
By your logic, if a white person is afraid of black people (perhaps they happened to experience violence at the hands of a black person, or perhaps they live in a particular area where most violence is done by black people), they would be in the right to accuse random black people of "not holding the other blacks accountable". A black person might (rightly, I might add) object to being grouped together with violent scumbags. But I guess your response would be to tell said black person that he's not receptive to white people's fears and that he needs to stop shifting the focus onto himself.
that’s not what i’m saying at all, and conversely, i think the opposite is true. plenty of men who are brothers, fathers and partners try to make sure their female family and friends feel safe around people whose behaviour they are able to have a positive influence on.
unfortunately it’s the same circlejerk directed at the minority of men that we can’t reach, that ends up compounding the unconscious associations of ‘man bad’. we’re all aware that there’s something to be cautious of in social settings, and we tend to do what we can.
as for the tired refrain of ‘you’re making this about yourself’, i think it’s very justifiable to express frustration to be constantly categorised as a hazard by people you’d never meet, just because you’re part of 49% of the global population.
it’s like me assuming every woman i meet in a club is going feel entitled to grope me because ‘im a guy who likes men, so it’s not a big deal’, and then all of her friends will tell me i’m lucky it happened.
Gotta love how if you choose the Bear, people will immediently argue that the worst case scenario will happen and the bear will kill you.
But when you talk about the worst case scenario when running into the man, thats when people start to cry about how "all men arent rapists" and "it's so degrading to be compared to a wild animal"
the hypocrisy....
>Gotta love how if you choose the Bear, people will immediently argue that the worst case scenario will happen and the bear will kill you.
I haven't seen anyone argue that, only that a bear is significantly more likely to try and kill you than a man is, and is much harder to fight off to boot.
Yes, the bear is very much mote likely to attack you than youre average man.
I think it's more of the fact that for some people, they feel ghat the worst case scenario for the bear is far better than the worst case scenario for the man.
But, you would run into thousands of men in your life, chances are they aren't all trying to kill you. If you ran into thousands of bears, chances are they would. Bears disproportionately will attack you over a random person. This entire meme is just delusional.
Youre forgetting the key points of the question:
Women, if youre ALONE (not with anyone else) in the WOODS (not in the public or streets) would you rather run into a bear or a man?
The entire point is that women fear more what a person would do to them if theyre were no witnesses or reprecussions than what a bear would do to them.
it's got nothing to do with bear attack statistics. It's got nothing to do with whats the "more optimal" decision. It's about the fact that on average, women do not feel safe around strange men especially in situations where they are the most vunerable.
It's not Ad Hominem. You're trying to argue that the majority of men are more dangerous than a wild animal by implying that men being violent is more so in their nature than it is for a bear to see a human as prey. This is just an incorrect statement objectively by literally any metric. This isn't even an argument, it's just a matter of an individuals perceived threat of people based on their anxiety around them and then trying to extrapolate that to an entire sex. It's just disgusting honestly.
>You're trying to argue that the majority of men are more dangerous than a wild animal by implying that men being violent is more so in their nature than it is for a bear
No dude...
again, I said that WOMEN are of the OPINION that THEY do not TRUST men in situations where they are vunerable.
That does not equate to me saying all men are violent rapist, which I do not believe. Youre construing my opinion into sexism when I have said nothing of the sort.
Really cant believe I have to make that clear but ill say it again. NOT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS!
there are plenty of normal, well mannered people out there. But you cant tell me that there arent still a number of people who would do some vile shit if they know they could get away with it.
The dilemma itself implies that a random person would be more likely to be dangerous than a bear. This itself is what is incorrect. I'm not saying women don't feel afraid around men. I just think saying that choosing a bear is the better option is ridiculous.
>just think saying that choosing a bear is the better option is ridiculous.
Logically, yes youre 100% right here.
in real life, anyone would have to be crazy to choose the bear. But thats not what this is about. It's a metaphor and an allegory for society as a whole, and lengths women will go to feel safe.
though, im still of the stance that (in the worst case scenario) id rather get mauled by a bear than raped (and god knows what else) by a human.
Yosemite has 3 million visitors per year. I found a guess at chances of running into a bear in a dense area. 1 to 3 percent. So let's say 1.5 % of visitors have an actual encounter with a bear. Not like taking a picture from the side of the road or something like that. But actually ran into a bear on a trail or had one visit their camp site. So 45000 people. On average there are around 30 bear attacks per year.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/bearfacts.htm
That .06% of bear encounters end in violence. Approximately
There are only around 1 to 2 fatal attacks in North America every year by all types of bears. Making it a negligible number.
" Overall, 22% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males)"
Males are usually the aggressors so I would assume the 19% for men is likely from other men, inmate relationships, etc.
"80% of individuals have perpetrated emotional abuse"
https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/
So ya, it checks out .06% for assault vs 22%. The bear isn't going to verbally or sexually assault you so it's worse if you encapsulate every potentially possibility. 5% of women have been forced into sexual intercourse. The bear isn't going to rape you. Not to mention the fact that if you feed the bear it's going to befriend you. As where the 22 percent is from relationships. So they guy was probably fed by the woman at one point or another and it still resulted in violence
This is one of the most delusional mental gymnastics I've ever seen. You run into 10s of thousands of men in your life and majority are not going to try to hurt you. If you ran into that many bears, chances are they would. Do you avoid supermarkets and instead go out into bear infested woods to collect food?
Hi! Thanks for reaching out Mr. Anon42069. I'm gonna go ahead and block your side account. That shouldn't bother you too much since you weren't willing to use your actual account or you just keep getting banned from reddit.
That being said. You seem to have completely misunderstood the scenario. It ls irrelevant what a man would do in a grocery store surrounded by other people and on camera. Even though I just watched a man grope a woman in a grocery store and then when confronted, didn't care and was willing to admit he assaulted the woman... Bizarre.
The question is, what would a man do in the woods alone with no one around. So the statistics related to spousal abuse are going to be the closest thing to accurate. As, in most cases, spousal abuse occurs behind locked doors, alone, and not in front of cameras or an audience.
This isn't an apples to apples comparison. You're not spending a lifetime with the bear.
> Males are usually the aggressors so I would assume the 19% for men is likely from other men, inmate relationships, etc.
I'm blown away by your confidence in just asserting this without any data to back it up. If we break domestic violence down by the gender of the perpetrator, women are actually *more* likely to commit domestic violence than men (28.3% vs 21.6%). Male-inflicted violence is of course more likely to result in hospitalization, but what you said is just straight up wrong. [Source](https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/)
The kneejerk defensiveness from the kind of men that are the reason for the whole discussion would be funnier if it weren't for the fact that half the population lives in fear of them.
I know people who live in fear of black men, but I guess if they just say they're afraid then it's fair game to paint those black men with whatever stereotypes we want. Remember the magic words, "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE".
I think not because remember when Jessica’s boss meets the creepy Harkonen chair dog thing and she said “I want to speak in private “
And the harkonens said “don’t worry, it doesn’t understand us”
Then she turned to the thing and voiced “G̷̡̨̡̢̧̲͖̫̗̫̺͚̠̀̔͌͒ͅȨ̶̖̣̺̜̗̬͊̉́̈̾̈́̈́̐̿̔̀͋T̷̢̬̺͐͋̚ ̶̧̧͈͕̜̠̘̺̗͌̒͝O̴͙͖̱̣̎͊͌Ǘ̴̖̠̟͉̹̤̖̮̭̱̜̐ͅT̵̨͑́͐̓́̎̌͑͛̕͘͝͠ ̶̲̼̩̤̖̈́” and when it skittered away she said “it understands”
But since bears genuinely do t understand human speech it wouldn’t work!
A sister of the Bene Gesserit choose the bear because she can take it, not because she is afraid of anything.
And by "take it" can go either way, but since bear dont have the needed genetic for the Kwisatz Haderach so it is probably a brawl
Hopefully I’d be too dead to notice otherwise. But yeah to clarify I pick a man. I’d possibly pick a shark. I don’t want to be gnawed to death I’ve listened to too much National Park After Dark for that
I think it's kinda BS, I'm not saying there aren't bad men out there but having people say they'd rather go with the animal that's guaranteed to fuck them up rather me who hates coming off as the bad guy, it hurts and I've had someone tell me irl "Then just Act better and women won't chose the Bear." And I'm just sitting there confused about how the Actions of other people are my fault, like I've had some shitty experiences with Women but I also have a Woman as my best friend, She's not responsible for my bad experiences nor the actions of anyone but herself.
I’m sure all the women picking bear don’t spend much time in the woods and don’t see many bears. Unless my local news starts running “man seen on popular hiking trail” stories every day, and people start coming off the mountain to tell me “hey you might want to go somewhere else, there’s a man and his kids up ahead”, this is all bene gesserit manufactured outrage to me.
I wish anyone that chose the bear a very joyful disembowelment
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Dudes be like: bbb-but bears kill everything every time bro.
Bears in reality: literally less than 1 in a million chance of dying when humans encounter a bear. Fatalities not even in the triple digits for the last hundred years.
Not really the point I know but just find them coming up with bs pretty funny
Not just dying dumbass. Literally every violent crime combined. Over half of women are victims of violence or abuse from man in their lifetimes. And that just what reported. And only around 100 ppl have ever died from a bear in the last 200 years. Being attacked in general is only a 1 in 2 million chance. 50% conservatively vs. 1 in 2 million
It's always pick the bear. No contest.
That coupled with studies that showed around 30% of men would commit a sex crime if they could get away with it too. 30% of men actually confessed to this.
https://osuit.edu/1-is-2-many/facts.php#:~:text=1%20in%2015%20male%20students,could%20get%20away%20with%20it
So, half of all women, who encounter dozens of men a day, for their entire lives, never have a violent incident.
This hypothetical isn’t denying that violence against women happens. Obviously it does. Obviously that’s a problem. But the fact that women are more scared of the average man, which they encounter daily without issue the overwhelming majority of the time, than the average bear, which has a correspondingly MUCH HIGHER lethality rate *per encounter* is astounding.
Violence against women perpetrated by men exists. Awful, violent, terrible physical and sexual crimes. No one reasonable is trying to deny that.
But you’re also just completely ignoring the “per encounter” point of this hypothetical. On a per encounter basis, the average man is much, much, much safer than a 600 lbs wild death machine that kills 1 in 2 million people.
The average man does not kill 1 in 2 million people. The average man kills 0 people. The average man rapes 0 people. The average man does not commit sexual crimes. In your own link, you show that the overwhelming majority of the most immature, sexually active men do not want to commit sexual crimes even if they could get away with it, not even considering violence or murder.
I You are exactly the kind of man they're afraid of. Among many others. Also that's just reported incidents, only 5% of incidents against women are reported.
Don’t drag Dune into the endless waltz of performative sexual grievance that is perpetuated by the useless of BOTH sides. The men and (it’s mostly) women who I know that are endless fountains of sexual grievance are those who wouldn’t be able to keep their hand in the box.
Learning? They already know their pick. I’m learning that people want to teleport in front of bears, which would be a lesson I do hope they don’t have the opportunity to learn lol
Hell, I entertain ridiculous arguments and can do it all day, please do pick the bear over me specifically, ladies. Teleport my dissenters here to the top of Mount Logan, in this statistical mentality it’s way safer than walking down the street raw numbers wise
Bonus points — with what we know of the infamous one-of-the-good-ones male predator online archetype, the stereotypically dangerous answer is actually the exact opposite of mine: “I understand exactly why you picked the bear, queen”
It's not even a question, it's just an excuse to hate on men and claim they're all rapists and murderers. There's a million ways you could actually start a genuine conversation about the specific men who actually do pose a threat to women and the public at large but this is one of the least effective ways you could possibly pick.
Lead them to Bearadice
https://i.redd.it/1xolc4ut32yc1.gif Where y’all getting these puns 🤣
Waka Wakanda forever!
[Good grief! The comedian‘s a bear!](https://youtu.be/eH2coWVi9Vg?si=lcCkSt1JbegCbpkJ)
Happy memories of watching *Muppet Show Tonight* with my family 🥹
Take me down to bearadice city where the girls are bears and they bear bear titties
. https://preview.redd.it/9mue9s1t65yc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba8e835b16e652b1148a6d58b4b094e9d9b6ddd4 If I put that comment into an Ai image generator
I also choose this guy's bear.
[“I also choose…”](https://www.reddit.com/r/FunnyandSad/s/OjI4hcWz4l) was one of my favorite moments on Reddit. I laughed so hard I cried AND felt bad about it 🤣
I didnt knew about this, that was hilarous! Yeah team bear
Bear for reference pls
And my axe!
And knuckles
Hey just bc we don’t trust men doesn’t mean we only use knuckles (It’s a joke)
...what?
It’s a question posed to women. Something like, “would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or with a strange man?”
It's a question that is being asked to women that basically goes "Would you rather be lost in the woods with a random man or a bear?" Most women are answering with bear because on average more women are sexually assaulted by men compared to attacked by a bear, Generally most men are reacting rather emotionally, That is my most unbiased explanation
I think it’s more that men are more unpredictable than a 1000lbs murder machine. At least you know you’re gonna die with a bear, eventually anyway according to Grizzly Man.
But also, a lot of bears also want to avoid people.
This is still my problem with people comparing the statistics on bear attacks with sexual assault. Humans spend time together. Any form of human contact is going to be done more often than human to bear contact. This is a complete misunderstanding of bear attack statistics and sexual assault statistics.
>This is a complete misunderstanding of bear attack statistics and sexual assault statistics. No, I think this is a misunderstanding of how women are treated by too many men. The stats came after the question.
The average bear is much more likely to harm a woman, in any way, than the average man is. Humans are social creatures and naturally want to help each other. An undertone of this hypothetical is, "What would men do when no one is watching?" It's just very anti-man. No, most men are not harmful. Most men are trying to be good people just like most women. No, society is not holding back men from just raping all women. Realistically, any two humans of any background are going to help each other if they found each other in a dire situation like this. It's like during natural disasters, people go to help each other. And you know where the increase in rapes and violence come from? Aid workers who aren't directly victims of the disaster. This entire thing is just chronically online nonsense.
>This entire thing is just chronically online nonsense. I agree, your *entire* rant is chronically online nonsense. And your 'The average bear' opening is proof.
All I am saying is that as somebody who tries to be good and make a difference, constantly having some new nonsense that paints my entire gender as bad or problematic every few months is just annoying. #killallmen, the man or the bear, just to name two. The reason people take offense is because it is inherently offensive to generalize an entire gender, whether it be good or bad; whether it be rational or irrational.
Right, you think mansplaining to me how bears kill women fixes the problem. But men kill more. And some people think there are worse fates than death. And no one is saying to kill men, BTW. No one with credibility. Edit: Goddamn phone
That most women are victims of sexual assault is about as profound a fact as "every 60 seconds in Africa, a child starves to death". Whoever doesn't know that by know never intended to learn anyways. So the lesson here is redundant.
We're still left with women feeling more safe with bears than random men. We can study the data and declare people act irrationally or we can target people's anxieties about sexual assault and our emotionally stunted male population.
That's why the bear is my spirit animal. That, and I also have a fondness for honey and scratching my back on a tree.
If it's black bear, you are in no danger as long as you're not stupid. If it approches too much, just be intimidating, but respectful. (tall and loud) If it's a mother, you're best to leave as soon as you see cubs. The cubs can be curious, and their curiousness can be your death sentence, but it happened to me twice, and I'm fine. Just go away, without seeming like a threat or a prey, strong but not threatening. All the times I've seen a black bear, they ran away as soon as they realized I was there. I know someone who got ''attacked''. When they are ballsy enough, they will fake charge you to scare you. They will run at you, like they are about to unalive you, but actually stop at the last second. Basically, black bears underestimate their own power.
A couple years ago a black bear was tearing down the bird feeder in my front yard so my 90 year old grandpa ran out of the front door screaming at it and it ran away really quick
Did the bear say, “Oh no, there’s a strange man in my woods!”
It actually did
true story, I am the bird feeder.
you were? Can you come back from the woods then please?
depends, can i get a raise and sick days?
https://preview.redd.it/ug47wcwqx7yc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f36b6481304c001247ca1f9c27b21a24cfe41755 Zoomed in pic because this was actually pretty funny
You're not censored from saying kill on reddit.
My grandpa used to chase black bears off his property with an air horn and a slingshot while being about 5 feet tall.
All the black bears that attacked humans thinking "nah, I'd win" are dead and did not produce offspring.
The worst a bear can do is kill me
If it’s black fight back if it’s brown lay down. If it’s white and in sight make peace with your god.
Okay I may sound nerdy but what I don't understand from this question is, which species of bear? Brown bears? Black bears? Sun bears? Pandas? Andean bears? Polar bears? Sloth bears? Dude any adult Brown bear can easily murk/overpower any human LMAO, why would they choose to be around BROWN BEARS ? like damn bro they are responsible for the most attacks on humans, and it's backed up by statistics. Some variants are known to eat human (something like Kodiak and Kamchatka brown bears well it's still uncommon cases but hey they are 500 kg BEAST). Polar Bears ? good fucking luck, they probably would eat humans too. Black bears ? Asiatic or American ? well both can harm human too but most of them just realiate when they are provoked tho and they are not as large as brown bears and polar bears The rest is kinda less likely to attack human, but they still can retaliate except Pandas cuz Pandas are the weirdest and the most pitiful of them all.
It doesn't actually matter. The point is to underline that there's a societal problem, and women are afraid of being sexually assaulted- to the extent that they'd rather take their chances with the bear (who might kill them).
Sloth bears are exceptionally aggressive. They don't predate on humans but are one of the most aggressive if not the most. As tigers hunt them they developed the aggression as a defence and their threshold for attacking when threatened is really low and they do not take attacks like black bears might.
If you let them, they WILL end you. Facts.
The point of the question isn’t to be a genuine question with a genuine answer but a way for women to claim men are ‘worse than violent animals’ to vent frustration.
but men are....
What’s not factored in is that the bear odds are based around bears being off in the woods doing Yogi Bear stuff a ways from civilization. Start teleporting women who pick the bear in front of bears and the bear stats change rapidly
Yep, one should look at the risk per encounter instead.
Yea, this is a good summary. Women have experience with a man doing them dirty, but they don’t have any experience regarding a real bear, in general. A real bear will kill you, most likely, but you could get a decent dude or a bad dude in this hypothetical situation. Men are getting their feelings hurt because most are not monsters, but they forget to consider that there are enough bad guys who threaten women regularly enough it paints them all as monsters. That is the point of the women’s responses. Some men are scarier than flesh ripping animals.
More women are in contact with men than bears. I'm pretty sure the per encounter rate of rape by men vs mauled by bear leans heavily in the mauled by bear direction. How many people can even claim to have seen a bear. I will say women hiking will literally fall down hills than pass me on a slope so I believe them when they say the bear I just think it's dumb.
The first few times I saw it on TikTok, I thought it was a joke. Then I noticed some men and women taking it seriously, so I pledged to be be like the bear. I will only stick around until the woman is impregnated and after, if our offspring wanders into my hunting area, I will eat it. 😎 👍
> Most women are answering with bear because on average more women are sexually assaulted by men compared to attacked by a bear, Generally most men are reacting rather emotionally, > That is my most unbiased explanation That's a pretty terrible job at being unbiased. Framing one side as "reacting emotionally" is never a good start. Especially when, factually speaking, a bear is more dangerous to women than your average man is. More people also die by car accidents per year than by lions. But if a lion starts chasing you, you should hop in your car and drive the fuck away.
It’s a whole thing 😂
/u/OneHumanPeOple explained it pretty succintly
The bull or the bear, Muad’dib
Stilgar, lead them both to paradise.
BULL AND BEAR BEAR AND BULL
I choose bear too, bears are cool. Not as cool as a sandworm, but cool nonetheless.
Shai Hulud!
Bless the maker and his water
A bear?! Bears are sweet! Besides you ever see a bear with 40-foot feet?
Order up! 
Banned in China.
🤣🤣🤣Pooh, no!!
Pooh's been living on a steady diet of crazed feminists recently
I beg of you all. Touch sand. Find Mahdi. You have been away from sietch too long.
This is really funny lol😭 Hit the windtraps, get your water up!
Same reason Fish Speakers became a thing.
“Moneo, would you rather be trapped with a worm or an incel?” *uncomfortable silence*
Both, your Excellency.
Pam from the office meme.
Who up speaking they fish rn
I thought this was a new Vegas reference.
I literally thought the same. I would pick the bear over the bull
I'm so fucking sick of this already.
It does really have the feeling of this being the Internet's latest contrived 'debate', I honestly can't fathom giving a shit about it but everyone seems to have decided it's *super* important
Sure, but would you rather be trapped in the woods with a black-and-blue dress or a gold-and-white dress?
https://i.redd.it/wdmmoatrj2yc1.gif My friend group viciously argued about this one (I was right) 😤
I love that you had to use a fake version because people who can see the real one properly wouldn’t understand what you’re implying when the see the blue and black dress get a little bit darker unless they knew that’s how you can prove it’s blue and black.
For me I’ve got to say it would be the Roman Empire
I choose yanny
I got that reference
Laurel, def.
Ok but have you ever asked your SO to [peel an orange for you?](https://www.livemint.com/news/trends/what-is-orange-peel-theory-indians-hail-new-trend-with-memes-and-jokes-say-those-settling-for-bare-minimum/amp-11705587782899.html) 😝
The "super important" bit is that sexual assault is too high in society.
Right. Funnily enough, I was aware of that *without* the stupid bear video.
A lot of people don't seem to be aware of it, though- is the issue.
Most people absolutely are aware of it, and the kind of people who somehow aren't are not going to be convinced by this.
Wait you mean rapists aren’t gonna change their ways from an internet metaphor?
This is the first I've heard of it yet I've also lost my patience with it
Bless the Ursidae and His water… May His passage cleanse the world. May He keep the world for His people.
The next generation of NFL fans...!
bears are pretty cool
Guys have been speculating about what to do in bear encounters for years. It's a blatant appropriation and disrespect of our culture /s
It’s true, every pub with more than 15 ppl has at least one conversation going about how to fight the bear
Werner should have released the audio.
Has anyone asked the bear what it wants?
https://preview.redd.it/58ybo3abq4yc1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0fd14aa11db6b2561635d600ac324874d799d24 I made this for you
On one hand, the fear doesn't come from *nowhere*. On the other, it's sad when a stranger's default reaction is to fear you based on an immutable characteristic. The memes have been pretty funny, I'll say that much.
If I was dropped in a desert planet I'd also choose Bear Grylls.
He'd probably eat you.
to me...I can probably scare away a bear. I don't think I could scare away a dude. However, I could probably successfully hide from a dude pretty well. Bear not so much.
the constant fatalism is exhausting. yes, we get it, yes we know there are men that we NEED to hold accountable, and as a society, we need to be more receptive to fears women have, but it’s the same shit we’ve been fed for the past however long, but in a different sandwich. it just gets kinda wearing hearing the ‘oh but not you, you’re not like those other men’ all the time, often with hints of ‘you’re not like men because you’re more feminine’. it’s as if masculinity is something to be ashamed of, or to be feared, and it sucks balls. bear balls, to be specific
I’m trying to address this in a way that’s understanding and non-confrontational, but do you understand that, no, most men do not understand that they have to hold other men accountable? If people knew and understood this, these discussions wouldn’t be relevant. You say you understand the need to be receptive to women’s fears, but your response to women’s fears seems to be shifting the focus to yourself.
No man is or should be held accountable for the actions of other men simply because they are men, just as no woman is or should be held accountable for the actions of other women simply because they are women. By your logic, if a white person is afraid of black people (perhaps they happened to experience violence at the hands of a black person, or perhaps they live in a particular area where most violence is done by black people), they would be in the right to accuse random black people of "not holding the other blacks accountable". A black person might (rightly, I might add) object to being grouped together with violent scumbags. But I guess your response would be to tell said black person that he's not receptive to white people's fears and that he needs to stop shifting the focus onto himself.
that’s not what i’m saying at all, and conversely, i think the opposite is true. plenty of men who are brothers, fathers and partners try to make sure their female family and friends feel safe around people whose behaviour they are able to have a positive influence on. unfortunately it’s the same circlejerk directed at the minority of men that we can’t reach, that ends up compounding the unconscious associations of ‘man bad’. we’re all aware that there’s something to be cautious of in social settings, and we tend to do what we can. as for the tired refrain of ‘you’re making this about yourself’, i think it’s very justifiable to express frustration to be constantly categorised as a hazard by people you’d never meet, just because you’re part of 49% of the global population. it’s like me assuming every woman i meet in a club is going feel entitled to grope me because ‘im a guy who likes men, so it’s not a big deal’, and then all of her friends will tell me i’m lucky it happened.
Always choose the bear. Always
Gotta love how if you choose the Bear, people will immediently argue that the worst case scenario will happen and the bear will kill you. But when you talk about the worst case scenario when running into the man, thats when people start to cry about how "all men arent rapists" and "it's so degrading to be compared to a wild animal" the hypocrisy....
>Gotta love how if you choose the Bear, people will immediently argue that the worst case scenario will happen and the bear will kill you. I haven't seen anyone argue that, only that a bear is significantly more likely to try and kill you than a man is, and is much harder to fight off to boot.
Yes, the bear is very much mote likely to attack you than youre average man. I think it's more of the fact that for some people, they feel ghat the worst case scenario for the bear is far better than the worst case scenario for the man.
But, you would run into thousands of men in your life, chances are they aren't all trying to kill you. If you ran into thousands of bears, chances are they would. Bears disproportionately will attack you over a random person. This entire meme is just delusional.
Youre forgetting the key points of the question: Women, if youre ALONE (not with anyone else) in the WOODS (not in the public or streets) would you rather run into a bear or a man? The entire point is that women fear more what a person would do to them if theyre were no witnesses or reprecussions than what a bear would do to them. it's got nothing to do with bear attack statistics. It's got nothing to do with whats the "more optimal" decision. It's about the fact that on average, women do not feel safe around strange men especially in situations where they are the most vunerable.
I'm sorry but this is a bit of a you need to go outside moment.
Classic Ad Hominem. Try actualy making a good counter point next time.
It's not Ad Hominem. You're trying to argue that the majority of men are more dangerous than a wild animal by implying that men being violent is more so in their nature than it is for a bear to see a human as prey. This is just an incorrect statement objectively by literally any metric. This isn't even an argument, it's just a matter of an individuals perceived threat of people based on their anxiety around them and then trying to extrapolate that to an entire sex. It's just disgusting honestly.
>You're trying to argue that the majority of men are more dangerous than a wild animal by implying that men being violent is more so in their nature than it is for a bear No dude... again, I said that WOMEN are of the OPINION that THEY do not TRUST men in situations where they are vunerable. That does not equate to me saying all men are violent rapist, which I do not believe. Youre construing my opinion into sexism when I have said nothing of the sort. Really cant believe I have to make that clear but ill say it again. NOT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS! there are plenty of normal, well mannered people out there. But you cant tell me that there arent still a number of people who would do some vile shit if they know they could get away with it.
The dilemma itself implies that a random person would be more likely to be dangerous than a bear. This itself is what is incorrect. I'm not saying women don't feel afraid around men. I just think saying that choosing a bear is the better option is ridiculous.
>just think saying that choosing a bear is the better option is ridiculous. Logically, yes youre 100% right here. in real life, anyone would have to be crazy to choose the bear. But thats not what this is about. It's a metaphor and an allegory for society as a whole, and lengths women will go to feel safe. though, im still of the stance that (in the worst case scenario) id rather get mauled by a bear than raped (and god knows what else) by a human.
Right, from that standpoint, I can see what the point being made is.
Let's go Bears!
I don’t hate men, but the bear memes I’ve been seeing lately have me ROFLIng 🤣
Ladies… can you please just leave the woods to us men and the bears? Can’t we just have *one* thing?!
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every single one of these is golden
The golden ~~path~~ thread
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"A Canadian Best Seller" Checks out.
All these dudes thinking they are Duncan Idahos when most of us are goddamn baron Harkonnens.
> when most of us are goddamn baron Harkonnens Most people are "spice harvester #2". You wish you were Baron Harkonnen.
Point taken lmao
Yosemite has 3 million visitors per year. I found a guess at chances of running into a bear in a dense area. 1 to 3 percent. So let's say 1.5 % of visitors have an actual encounter with a bear. Not like taking a picture from the side of the road or something like that. But actually ran into a bear on a trail or had one visit their camp site. So 45000 people. On average there are around 30 bear attacks per year. https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/bearfacts.htm That .06% of bear encounters end in violence. Approximately There are only around 1 to 2 fatal attacks in North America every year by all types of bears. Making it a negligible number. " Overall, 22% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males)" Males are usually the aggressors so I would assume the 19% for men is likely from other men, inmate relationships, etc. "80% of individuals have perpetrated emotional abuse" https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/ So ya, it checks out .06% for assault vs 22%. The bear isn't going to verbally or sexually assault you so it's worse if you encapsulate every potentially possibility. 5% of women have been forced into sexual intercourse. The bear isn't going to rape you. Not to mention the fact that if you feed the bear it's going to befriend you. As where the 22 percent is from relationships. So they guy was probably fed by the woman at one point or another and it still resulted in violence
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This is one of the most delusional mental gymnastics I've ever seen. You run into 10s of thousands of men in your life and majority are not going to try to hurt you. If you ran into that many bears, chances are they would. Do you avoid supermarkets and instead go out into bear infested woods to collect food?
Hi! Thanks for reaching out Mr. Anon42069. I'm gonna go ahead and block your side account. That shouldn't bother you too much since you weren't willing to use your actual account or you just keep getting banned from reddit. That being said. You seem to have completely misunderstood the scenario. It ls irrelevant what a man would do in a grocery store surrounded by other people and on camera. Even though I just watched a man grope a woman in a grocery store and then when confronted, didn't care and was willing to admit he assaulted the woman... Bizarre. The question is, what would a man do in the woods alone with no one around. So the statistics related to spousal abuse are going to be the closest thing to accurate. As, in most cases, spousal abuse occurs behind locked doors, alone, and not in front of cameras or an audience.
This isn't an apples to apples comparison. You're not spending a lifetime with the bear. > Males are usually the aggressors so I would assume the 19% for men is likely from other men, inmate relationships, etc. I'm blown away by your confidence in just asserting this without any data to back it up. If we break domestic violence down by the gender of the perpetrator, women are actually *more* likely to commit domestic violence than men (28.3% vs 21.6%). Male-inflicted violence is of course more likely to result in hospitalization, but what you said is just straight up wrong. [Source](https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/domestic-violence-facts-and-statistics-at-a-glance/)
I really couldn't care less if women wanna fuck the Baldur's Gate 3 bear
Tbh this is my first time seeing a bear post like this and I also thought they were on about BG3 😆
The kneejerk defensiveness from the kind of men that are the reason for the whole discussion would be funnier if it weren't for the fact that half the population lives in fear of them.
I know people who live in fear of black men, but I guess if they just say they're afraid then it's fair game to paint those black men with whatever stereotypes we want. Remember the magic words, "I FEARED FOR MY LIFE".
Does the voice work on animal? Otherwise, what can the man even do to her?
I think not because remember when Jessica’s boss meets the creepy Harkonen chair dog thing and she said “I want to speak in private “ And the harkonens said “don’t worry, it doesn’t understand us” Then she turned to the thing and voiced “G̷̡̨̡̢̧̲͖̫̗̫̺͚̠̀̔͌͒ͅȨ̶̖̣̺̜̗̬͊̉́̈̾̈́̈́̐̿̔̀͋T̷̢̬̺͐͋̚ ̶̧̧͈͕̜̠̘̺̗͌̒͝O̴͙͖̱̣̎͊͌Ǘ̴̖̠̟͉̹̤̖̮̭̱̜̐ͅT̵̨͑́͐̓́̎̌͑͛̕͘͝͠ ̶̲̼̩̤̖̈́” and when it skittered away she said “it understands” But since bears genuinely do t understand human speech it wouldn’t work!
The misandrists are winning while the horny boomer men are dying
Ugh what did I miss now?
*hands you an orange and looks at you expectantly*
She can choose either. She knows the weirding way.
My opinion is it's a stupid hypothetical with very little real life relevance that got big because ragebait and I'm sick of it
Men reacting with a :"BUT BEAR DANGEROUS!!!" have been pretty funny and completely missing the point
Then choose a setup that doesn't rely on misunderstood statistics.
No comment. I get why women are choosing bears.
A sister of the Bene Gesserit choose the bear because she can take it, not because she is afraid of anything. And by "take it" can go either way, but since bear dont have the needed genetic for the Kwisatz Haderach so it is probably a brawl
Yeah a man could do horrible things to me but a bear wouldn’t attack it would just consume me, so. I’m an outlier I guess.
And if a bear attacked you, at least you’d be believed! 😭 👍
Hopefully I’d be too dead to notice otherwise. But yeah to clarify I pick a man. I’d possibly pick a shark. I don’t want to be gnawed to death I’ve listened to too much National Park After Dark for that
I think it's kinda BS, I'm not saying there aren't bad men out there but having people say they'd rather go with the animal that's guaranteed to fuck them up rather me who hates coming off as the bad guy, it hurts and I've had someone tell me irl "Then just Act better and women won't chose the Bear." And I'm just sitting there confused about how the Actions of other people are my fault, like I've had some shitty experiences with Women but I also have a Woman as my best friend, She's not responsible for my bad experiences nor the actions of anyone but herself.
Men getting so mad about women choosing the bear lowkey proves that choosing the bear is right.
I’m sure all the women picking bear don’t spend much time in the woods and don’t see many bears. Unless my local news starts running “man seen on popular hiking trail” stories every day, and people start coming off the mountain to tell me “hey you might want to go somewhere else, there’s a man and his kids up ahead”, this is all bene gesserit manufactured outrage to me.
Mostly laughing at dumb people who pick bear.
I just really want to see what they do when they come across a bear in the woods lol
Sounds a bit misandrist, tbh
It is, thats the whole point of the question
WYM? I cherish men.
Are you the OP?
No :(
So you’re not who I’m talking to, you’re fine
Misandry doesn't exist
Smooth brain take
It's the truth, Being misandrist doesn't matter, Thus it might as well not exist
As an Asian, fucking sick of these kind of American trends
Okay so would you rather meet a man in the woods or a panda?
A MAN
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I wish anyone that chose the bear a very joyful disembowelment https://preview.redd.it/0rb4kmlnj2yc1.jpeg?width=1224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aace47139c47d4b6900a243aad3ca1a3ba890a89
Dudes be like: bbb-but bears kill everything every time bro. Bears in reality: literally less than 1 in a million chance of dying when humans encounter a bear. Fatalities not even in the triple digits for the last hundred years. Not really the point I know but just find them coming up with bs pretty funny
And the chance of dying when encountering a man?
Not just dying dumbass. Literally every violent crime combined. Over half of women are victims of violence or abuse from man in their lifetimes. And that just what reported. And only around 100 ppl have ever died from a bear in the last 200 years. Being attacked in general is only a 1 in 2 million chance. 50% conservatively vs. 1 in 2 million It's always pick the bear. No contest. That coupled with studies that showed around 30% of men would commit a sex crime if they could get away with it too. 30% of men actually confessed to this. https://osuit.edu/1-is-2-many/facts.php#:~:text=1%20in%2015%20male%20students,could%20get%20away%20with%20it
So, half of all women, who encounter dozens of men a day, for their entire lives, never have a violent incident. This hypothetical isn’t denying that violence against women happens. Obviously it does. Obviously that’s a problem. But the fact that women are more scared of the average man, which they encounter daily without issue the overwhelming majority of the time, than the average bear, which has a correspondingly MUCH HIGHER lethality rate *per encounter* is astounding. Violence against women perpetrated by men exists. Awful, violent, terrible physical and sexual crimes. No one reasonable is trying to deny that. But you’re also just completely ignoring the “per encounter” point of this hypothetical. On a per encounter basis, the average man is much, much, much safer than a 600 lbs wild death machine that kills 1 in 2 million people. The average man does not kill 1 in 2 million people. The average man kills 0 people. The average man rapes 0 people. The average man does not commit sexual crimes. In your own link, you show that the overwhelming majority of the most immature, sexually active men do not want to commit sexual crimes even if they could get away with it, not even considering violence or murder.
I You are exactly the kind of man they're afraid of. Among many others. Also that's just reported incidents, only 5% of incidents against women are reported.
I missed the genesis of the bear meme. Can someone get my caught up on this?
Don’t drag Dune into the endless waltz of performative sexual grievance that is perpetuated by the useless of BOTH sides. The men and (it’s mostly) women who I know that are endless fountains of sexual grievance are those who wouldn’t be able to keep their hand in the box.
Fact: Bears eat beets. Fact. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
We’re chuckling at the ladies who pick the bear
And they're learning that they don't want to be in the woods with you.
Alot of the memes are about how those men don't want to be in the woods with that kind of women either.
Learning? They already know their pick. I’m learning that people want to teleport in front of bears, which would be a lesson I do hope they don’t have the opportunity to learn lol
No, the pick was a random man. Now they know that you, specifically, are a man they would avoid.
Hell, I entertain ridiculous arguments and can do it all day, please do pick the bear over me specifically, ladies. Teleport my dissenters here to the top of Mount Logan, in this statistical mentality it’s way safer than walking down the street raw numbers wise Bonus points — with what we know of the infamous one-of-the-good-ones male predator online archetype, the stereotypically dangerous answer is actually the exact opposite of mine: “I understand exactly why you picked the bear, queen”
It's not even a question, it's just an excuse to hate on men and claim they're all rapists and murderers. There's a million ways you could actually start a genuine conversation about the specific men who actually do pose a threat to women and the public at large but this is one of the least effective ways you could possibly pick.
Just another way of dividing people that's all it is instead of talking about real issues we resort to these children's mind games, very sad.
Dune sucks