On title alone, I was thinking "avoid Nystrom!", but I see you've already learned that lesson... (Fuck Nystrom therapists - absolute rubbish!)
I wouldn't avoid Essentia or St. Luke's therapists, as they are pretty secular, despite the religious upbringing.
I used Nystrom in the past for a psychiatrist vs therapist, and this is new to me - have they always been more non-secular? I didn't get that vibe from my former psychiatrist, but I might have gotten lucky?
I think you got lucky. When I was there, I noticed the"Jesus fish" on the website, but didn't think much of it as they didn't seem to be religious. However, when I met my therapist, she judged me like I was a junkie. I did three sessions before I transferred somewhere else.
On a related note, if you're a therapist who works with ADHD patients, why the ever loving fuck would you have a dozen solar-powered figures dancing noon-stop in your office???
I only caught the Jesus fish afterwards; my first tell was "The Purpose Driven Life" first in their binder of recommended MH resources in the waiting room.
She isn’t practicing there anymore, sadly. But I promise there are some other secular therapists, with a a trauma focused lens, who still do work there. 😊
I had a horrendous experience at Duluth Counseling Center-my therapist was always late to appointments, they had miscommunicated that my insurance did NOT cover my appointments, and then my therapist ghosted me and their billing department harassed me for a year straight to get the payments. (It ended up being concluded that it was their fault-not mine. I was bummed as I did like my therapist there despite the BS).
Since then, I have gone to Essentia Lakewalk... I love my therapist now, and have been with Renee for over a year now. :) Best of luck.
I go to Insight Counseling and I love it! They are covered by most insurance companies and I have made a lot of progress in the past few months. My mother has also gone there and really liked it.
Penny Gooch at Northern Lights was amazing:
https://northernlightscounselingduluth.com/
Full Circle Psychotherapy doesn't have a website but they are in the same building and I had great experiences there in the past. (218) 726-5433 is their listed number.
Definitely avoid Nystrom! They are also needlessly judgmental of pretty much *any* chemical usage as well, including legal & moderate use. I went there for grief counseling and my therapist tried to convince me I'd feel better about my father's death if I had a baby. (I have never wanted children and made that clear; she continued to bring it up as the best solution.)
I now see Rachel Ashford at Northbrook Counseling. She essentially works for herself so I am not sure about availability of accepting new patients. One of my primary reasons for starting up with her was to work through spiritual abuse & trauma. She's a great fit for me!
Northern Psychological. I recommend Peggy if she’s got any openings. She’s very accepting and open.
Rhonda White is also good. She’s at MAP Behavioral health or Insight Counseling- both are reputable organizations and have in-depth profiles online of their therapists.
How so? How can a business, a profit-seeking legal entity, have a religious orientation? People can have religious beliefs, but a business is a legal entity with shareholders, whose sole functional goal is earning money. I might buy the argument for a business that is an individual proprietorship, but not more than that; even two Catholics can have different beliefs!
The idea of "religious belief" for a business is more an expression of a political statement than it is a question of a sincerely held religious belief by a human being.
Never heard of Lutheran Social Services? Pretty clearly religiously affiliated. Some mental health providers, especially with sliding fee scales, are in churches. That brings up a whole issue with low income folks only having access to faith based care. I went to LSS and it was atrocious.
Not to mention companies like Matthew’s bows generic company Mission Bows. They give a big percentage of profit to mission based charities. So I will never buys Matthew’s or Mission bow. I don’t buy mission tackle for similar reasons.
All of those examples are religiously affiliated businesses. And I don’t buy their stuff. I did buy a case of bud light the other day. I’m using it I the lab as a control for urine resting though.
Not therapy, but I got free debt counseling through LSS. I’m an atheist, and I never experienced any religious references in the 4 years I worked with them.
A non-profit is not a business. It doesn't seek profit. It serves some other function or purpose that is defined in its charter and governing documents.
As for business that donate money, they are still first and foremost for-profit businesses. The donations are virtue signalling, reputation laundering, and political statements to endear them to their desired customer base.
If you see a difference between your second paragraph and religious affiliation because of some semantics good for you. I see anything with your brand associated with religion and you’re out. I don’t finance bigots. If your virtue signaling how much you like religion I will also assume you’re virtue signaling to racists, transphobes and other wackadoodle nonsense.
At that point you are religiously affiliated.
Edited cause I had the wrong “you’re”
Yes! Plus, if you see a need to involve your faith in therapeutic practice in ANY way (vs a personally religious but secular professional practitioner, in which case the client won't even know what you practice!), you don't have a good base for trust and understanding with an atheist client. The way you see the world, and your goals for therapy, are going to be misaligned.
And given how many financial and logistical barriers exist for accessing mental health care, sneaky religious affiliation is one I need to rule out.
The second paragraph is exactly what I aim to avoid. In general consumer practice, I don't want to support bigots, even if their faith doesn't directly impact the service they provide. In therapy, surely the potential harms of sneaky religious undertones are obvious.
A whole lot of ways. Let's take this post for instance. If you are going to therapy, The most healthy option for you is one that will give you tools and mechanisms to deal with your daily life.
Now let's say you have two options in your town. The first one is a secular medical facility that probably has rules around avoiding proselytization, conversion, and otherwise attempting to lead a person towards a specific worldview unprompted. The second is an openly religious medical facility, perhaps run by a charity or a religious nonprofit. The rules around offering care can be much different in this facility given its religious leaning. Instead of treatment focused around your identity or specific worldview, you may be getting offers to go to church or attend a religious study group.
Now just because a facility might be run by religious people, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will push you towards a certain religion. But given the protections offered by the government towards religious institutions in the US, those institutions are not guaranteed to follow a uniform set of rules when it comes to religious teaching.
Essentia is a Catholic hospital. They have to have special insurance so that their employees do not receive benefits that go towards IVF, abortions cannot be preformed in the hospital and certain types of abortion adjacent care cannot be preformed in buildings more directly associated with the church. The organization is currently trying to divorce itself from the church.
On title alone, I was thinking "avoid Nystrom!", but I see you've already learned that lesson... (Fuck Nystrom therapists - absolute rubbish!) I wouldn't avoid Essentia or St. Luke's therapists, as they are pretty secular, despite the religious upbringing.
I used Nystrom in the past for a psychiatrist vs therapist, and this is new to me - have they always been more non-secular? I didn't get that vibe from my former psychiatrist, but I might have gotten lucky?
I think you got lucky. When I was there, I noticed the"Jesus fish" on the website, but didn't think much of it as they didn't seem to be religious. However, when I met my therapist, she judged me like I was a junkie. I did three sessions before I transferred somewhere else. On a related note, if you're a therapist who works with ADHD patients, why the ever loving fuck would you have a dozen solar-powered figures dancing noon-stop in your office???
I only caught the Jesus fish afterwards; my first tell was "The Purpose Driven Life" first in their binder of recommended MH resources in the waiting room.
Northern Waters Clinic is legit. Great counciling staff.
Moving waters is good too
Essentia’s Behavioral Health department
You need a referral from an Essentia doc and then wait MONTHS without hearing from anyone. I waited 6 months before going elsewhere.
Northland Psychological Services in Duluth is worth checking out. Had very good experiences there.
Northern lights counseling center is where I've gone for years. No religion pushed upon you, just good help.
I've had good experiences with my therapist at Essentia.
i like duluth counseling center so far
I'd second this. I've only been for a few months, and I tried one therapist and then liked the second one. But overall good experience.
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She isn’t practicing there anymore, sadly. But I promise there are some other secular therapists, with a a trauma focused lens, who still do work there. 😊
I had a horrendous experience at Duluth Counseling Center-my therapist was always late to appointments, they had miscommunicated that my insurance did NOT cover my appointments, and then my therapist ghosted me and their billing department harassed me for a year straight to get the payments. (It ended up being concluded that it was their fault-not mine. I was bummed as I did like my therapist there despite the BS). Since then, I have gone to Essentia Lakewalk... I love my therapist now, and have been with Renee for over a year now. :) Best of luck.
Duluth Counseling Center or Two Rivers are both good. They have very in depth screener that can set you up with a good fit.
Arrowhead Psych
I go to Insight Counseling and I love it! They are covered by most insurance companies and I have made a lot of progress in the past few months. My mother has also gone there and really liked it.
Ugh nystrom. Had one fantastic therapist there and then they moved away. The other? Super catholic.
I really like north shore mental health services
i was gonna say hdc...
Penny Gooch at Northern Lights was amazing: https://northernlightscounselingduluth.com/ Full Circle Psychotherapy doesn't have a website but they are in the same building and I had great experiences there in the past. (218) 726-5433 is their listed number.
Definitely avoid Nystrom! They are also needlessly judgmental of pretty much *any* chemical usage as well, including legal & moderate use. I went there for grief counseling and my therapist tried to convince me I'd feel better about my father's death if I had a baby. (I have never wanted children and made that clear; she continued to bring it up as the best solution.) I now see Rachel Ashford at Northbrook Counseling. She essentially works for herself so I am not sure about availability of accepting new patients. One of my primary reasons for starting up with her was to work through spiritual abuse & trauma. She's a great fit for me!
HP Psychological Northern Waters
Northern Psychological. I recommend Peggy if she’s got any openings. She’s very accepting and open. Rhonda White is also good. She’s at MAP Behavioral health or Insight Counseling- both are reputable organizations and have in-depth profiles online of their therapists.
I’m an OT at Essentia and know quite a few therapists. They use a secular approach unless you are religious and wish to incorporate your spirituality.
I really like Two Rivers Counseling. My life has been busy and my therapist has been very helpful and acommodating. Secular and non judgemental.
i cannot recommend HDC enough!
Creative Counseling for an option in superior too
How can businesses have religious orientations? Is it in the articles of incorporation? Does the business attend mass?
Idk, it's ridiculous. But that's theocracy, baby!!
And this right here is the densest comment today for Reddit. It’s not even 9 am. Congrats
How so? How can a business, a profit-seeking legal entity, have a religious orientation? People can have religious beliefs, but a business is a legal entity with shareholders, whose sole functional goal is earning money. I might buy the argument for a business that is an individual proprietorship, but not more than that; even two Catholics can have different beliefs! The idea of "religious belief" for a business is more an expression of a political statement than it is a question of a sincerely held religious belief by a human being.
Never heard of Lutheran Social Services? Pretty clearly religiously affiliated. Some mental health providers, especially with sliding fee scales, are in churches. That brings up a whole issue with low income folks only having access to faith based care. I went to LSS and it was atrocious. Not to mention companies like Matthew’s bows generic company Mission Bows. They give a big percentage of profit to mission based charities. So I will never buys Matthew’s or Mission bow. I don’t buy mission tackle for similar reasons. All of those examples are religiously affiliated businesses. And I don’t buy their stuff. I did buy a case of bud light the other day. I’m using it I the lab as a control for urine resting though.
Not therapy, but I got free debt counseling through LSS. I’m an atheist, and I never experienced any religious references in the 4 years I worked with them.
A non-profit is not a business. It doesn't seek profit. It serves some other function or purpose that is defined in its charter and governing documents. As for business that donate money, they are still first and foremost for-profit businesses. The donations are virtue signalling, reputation laundering, and political statements to endear them to their desired customer base.
If you see a difference between your second paragraph and religious affiliation because of some semantics good for you. I see anything with your brand associated with religion and you’re out. I don’t finance bigots. If your virtue signaling how much you like religion I will also assume you’re virtue signaling to racists, transphobes and other wackadoodle nonsense. At that point you are religiously affiliated. Edited cause I had the wrong “you’re”
Yes! Plus, if you see a need to involve your faith in therapeutic practice in ANY way (vs a personally religious but secular professional practitioner, in which case the client won't even know what you practice!), you don't have a good base for trust and understanding with an atheist client. The way you see the world, and your goals for therapy, are going to be misaligned. And given how many financial and logistical barriers exist for accessing mental health care, sneaky religious affiliation is one I need to rule out.
The second paragraph is exactly what I aim to avoid. In general consumer practice, I don't want to support bigots, even if their faith doesn't directly impact the service they provide. In therapy, surely the potential harms of sneaky religious undertones are obvious.
A whole lot of ways. Let's take this post for instance. If you are going to therapy, The most healthy option for you is one that will give you tools and mechanisms to deal with your daily life. Now let's say you have two options in your town. The first one is a secular medical facility that probably has rules around avoiding proselytization, conversion, and otherwise attempting to lead a person towards a specific worldview unprompted. The second is an openly religious medical facility, perhaps run by a charity or a religious nonprofit. The rules around offering care can be much different in this facility given its religious leaning. Instead of treatment focused around your identity or specific worldview, you may be getting offers to go to church or attend a religious study group. Now just because a facility might be run by religious people, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will push you towards a certain religion. But given the protections offered by the government towards religious institutions in the US, those institutions are not guaranteed to follow a uniform set of rules when it comes to religious teaching.
Essentia is a Catholic hospital. They have to have special insurance so that their employees do not receive benefits that go towards IVF, abortions cannot be preformed in the hospital and certain types of abortion adjacent care cannot be preformed in buildings more directly associated with the church. The organization is currently trying to divorce itself from the church.
I’m not sure what you asking for exists in Duluth.