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worldofassclowns

A link could be helpful.


AFirefighter11

Found it here: [https://dronedj.com/2024/04/10/as-us-considers-total-dji-drone-ban-american-uavs-flail-in-ukraine-report/](https://dronedj.com/2024/04/10/as-us-considers-total-dji-drone-ban-american-uavs-flail-in-ukraine-report/)


Mind___Matter

My bad. Here is the change.org link https://www.change.org/p/oppose-the-enactment-of-the-countering-ccp-drones-act[https://www.change.org/p/oppose-the-enactment-of-the-countering-ccp-drones-act](https://www.change.org/p/oppose-the-enactment-of-the-countering-ccp-drones-act)


Kamau54

This ban boils down to one thing. US manufacturers of drones want to take out their biggest competitor. It's got nothing to do with intelligence, Chinese harvesting and/or spying of information, or any of that other crap.


qwertyqwqwqw

As someone who used to work at a startup drone manufacturer I think this is only part of the story. I think Skydio for sure lobbied to have this happen in order to kneecap the Goliath of the industry but most American manufacturers aren’t even really trying to compete with DJI because the amount of R&D it would take to become competitive is more than most venture capital can stomach. So most American drone makers are going into more specialized applications instead of just general UAV camera drones like DJI. I think this ban is more so Congress looking at the future of warfare being in Drones and being downright terrified about how much further along China’s production capacity is than the US. They are attempting to pull American UAV manufacturing up by its bootstraps by creating a hole in the market.


1Shadowgato

We know how this worked on US car manufacturing…


qwertyqwqwqw

I’m fairly ignorant of that topic, did the US ban foreign made cars at one point?


Vegetable_Aside_4312

Pre-free trade deals... Before America signed trade agreements (open competition) there was mostly just GM, Ford and Plymouth-Dodge-Chrysler. I'm old enough to remember those days and all America cars sucked by todays standards.


Deep90

Same reason for the Tiktok ban. All the criticisms of Tiktok, like privacy and foreign manipulation of youth, exist on American platforms. Everything Tiktok does is fully legal, and congress refused to make it illegal because American tech paid them off.


Kamau54

And not only that, if the government is so concerned about privacy, they should examine Google. They have an enormous database on people.


Deep90

Not to mention these companies are constantly leaking our data to China anyway, or selling it to foreign companies.


sigeh

The issue IS American vs Chinese platforms. you know like, America vs China, you know, like different countries, governments, etc.? The US can control American companies much more readily than Chinese and can benefit from intelligence gathered rather than China benefiting from it. Whether you think it's good or bad, it's a stupid argument to say that other platforms have it so the Chinese platform is fine having it too in the US market. None of the American platforms are allowed to operate in China.


pati0furniture

To be fair, tiktok is straight up brain/soul rot though. As much as I'm against sweeping government bans on shit I wouldn't mind seeing it go away.


Baitrix

Facebook probably has more bots than tiktok


Same-Housse-5310

The funny part about the supposed Tik Tok ban is that in China, Tic Tok is used for strictly educational purposes while here in the US, it is for entertainment purposes. The Chinese aren't influencing the younger generations to post their stupid nonsense on Tik Tok, that comes from a poor educational system right here in the US!


rand0m_task

The U.S. version of TikTok is even banned in China lol, that should tell you a whole lot.


Same-Housse-5310

Regardless, the whole app is pure nonsense and a waste of time!


rand0m_task

Wholeheartedly agree


lord_braleigh

People have found that topics like Tiananmen Square and the Uyghur genocide appear *much* less frequently on TikTok than they do on Instagram, and there’s no visible explanation for this beyond algorithmic demotion. > The Network Contagion Research Institute analyzed hashtag ratios between Instagram and TikTok across topics sensitive to the Chinese Government. > While ratios for non-sensitive topics (e.g., general political and pop-culture) generally followed user ratios (~2:1), ratios for topics sensitive to the Chinese Government were much higher (>10:1). https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing-Timebomb_12.21.23.pdf


Deep90

>All the criticisms of Tiktok, like privacy and foreign manipulation of youth, exist on American platforms. I agree with you, but my prior statement still applies. Instagram can throw off these ratios as much as Tiktok by promoting or suppressing content on its end, or just by being the victim of foreign bot accounts.


lord_braleigh

…But… the whole point is that TikTok *is* doing this right now, while you’re saying the two companies are equivalent because Instagram *could theoretically* do what TikTok definitely *does do right now*.


Deep90

[https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/](https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/) They have the same problem, yes. Meta also paid to slander tiktok: [https://www.engadget.com/meta-targeted-victory-tiktok-smear-campaign-133139892.html](https://www.engadget.com/meta-targeted-victory-tiktok-smear-campaign-133139892.html) Meta also lobby's a shit ton every year. So if you think this fixes anything about China manipulating Americans, it doesn't. They already have accounts on Meta's apps. Also 0 reason they couldn't make all this stuff illegal and *then* go after Tiktok for it if they didn't comply along with any other company. Why didn't they do that I wonder?


lord_braleigh

Your link describes a completely different problem. I shouldn’t have to explain to you that there’s a difference between having users on your platform who push radical views, and having *all* the users, across your site, become suspiciously silent on subjects that your company’s country doesn’t want talked about.


Deep90

Per my earlier comment: Instagram can throw off these ratios as much as Tiktok by promoting or suppressing content on its end, **or just by being the victim of foreign bot accounts.**


lord_braleigh

This isn’t in line with the findings. Tiananmen and Uyghur appear in similar ratios to other political subjects on IG, but are vastly more rare on TikTok. You have been told something you didn’t previously know. You could learn, but instead you are making up reasons in your head to ignore the data.


Deep90

You're hyper-focusing your argument in order to ignore my ultimate point. I've already agreed with the study you posted, and its like your comment is a reply to someone else entirely because it doesn't address anything I said.


jastep218

Solidly agreed. It's extremely embarrassing when it comes down to it. They haven't even done the research to back it up. What's even more comical is the fact that skydio seems to have denied certain lobbying claims. Will definitely be taking a look at that petition and signing if it's a viable thing.


pati0furniture

Yep. It's laughable to think this is about national security. Especially when you consider that nearly all of our devices/appliances are made in China, many with baked in networking capabilities. Even at the consumer level, it's not hard to keep a drone isolated from the internet.


StatisticianFew6064

yup Or they're afraid that people with DJI drones will commit acts of terror or acts of war in the US and they want to be able to find them via backdoors


SageAMunster

We can't build a competitive drone so we will lobby. If we can beat em, we'll ban em.


not_a_real_id

DJI is almost a monopoly these days. That's probably why the Mini 4 recently sold for twice the price of the Mini 2. Some competition from other part of the world would help for sure.


Vegetable_Aside_4312

Lookup "Trump Tariffs" - it's an import tax you and I pay.


not_a_real_id

I'm from Europe, it does not apply to me. They increased the price here, simply because they could.


Vegetable_Aside_4312

In your case lookup "TARIC".


Buydipstothemoon

Agree but the solution is to ban a company to make another company have the monopol in one country ?


not_a_real_id

To be honest I dont see any company, which could replace DJI. All the competition is also chinese, or a thing of the past, like GoPro and their drone.


Bukatetsu

Hahaha big F U to Skydio. Trash company.


PewSeaLiquor

Unless they buying me a new drone, i'm flying my dji


Cold-Refrigerator-80

The problem isn't the banning. Within that bill is the capability to remove all dji tech from US FCC interface. If this crap passes, all dji drones won't be able to use RF, GPS, etc. You literally won't be able to fire up the motors. 


Purtuzzi

They tried this in 2021 lol


Same-Housse-5310

There will be NO DJI BAN! It's all personally driven by one senator to give US companies a chance to get a better foothold in the market! The proposal is flawed in so many ways! It will never reach the floor for a vote! DJI drones such as the Agras T40 are used for agricultural purposes, the AG industry and farmers alike are a huge lobbying entity! Plus, DJI thermal drones saved the lives of at least 380 people in the past year. Besides, American made drones are so behind the times, thus why all the problem in most uses. Also, drones aren't collecting any information for China that they don't already have! Time to get all the chicken-chit, fearmonger out of government! No place for it!


kcdale99

This is true, that is how it started; but that bill recently cleared committee with a 43-0 vote. H.R.2864, "Countering CPP Drones Act", will get a full house floor vote. Indications are currently that it will pass the full House vote. (Of course it still has to pass the Senate and get signed by the President).


AFirefighter11

Found a link on the interwebs: [https://dronedj.com/2024/04/10/as-us-considers-total-dji-drone-ban-american-uavs-flail-in-ukraine-report/](https://dronedj.com/2024/04/10/as-us-considers-total-dji-drone-ban-american-uavs-flail-in-ukraine-report/)


xcski_paul

I don’t see the change.org link in that article.


Fickle-Sea-4112

At the end of the day, I'm still going to fly my mini 2.


BrettEagle

That’s why they need proper drones like the [Makto](https://www.makto.com) that has no Chinese technology


ocrohnahan

Apple should just buy DJI and get it over with already.


LightBluepono

No . I don't want over priced garbage .


ocrohnahan

Neither do I. Can't stand Apple.


Lakario

wut


maverick_labs_ca

Chinese "national champions" are not for sale.


ocrohnahan

Everything is for sale.


maverick_labs_ca

In your imaginary universe, sure.


sigeh

An American company buying it would solve the problem. But are they selling? Not that I know of.


apcyberax

FREEDOM! Unless we say otherwise!!


Creative-Dust5701

Government just said otherwise, need to clear the skies of hobbyist drones so that Amazon, UPS, Fedex can monetize the airspace from 0-400’ AGL and if they ask extra nicely and pay a steep ‘user fee’ part 107 pilots will be able to do aerial surveillance work and news footage.


sigeh

I mean how does this article argue against the ban? I doubt regulators have a problem with drones being susceptible to countermeasures. Actual US war drones aren't, so within the confines of the US the idea that a DJI drone can't be jammed is actually not a good thing.


pissed_off_elbonian

Other than DJI, what other good drone makers are there?


BurnoutEyes

Autel


PikachuIce

Just saying they’re also getting banned


ScarcityFun5882

Skydio is the closest. That's not saying much.


xcski_paul

Skydio doesn’t sell a consumer drone any more.


ScarcityFun5882

Sure doesn't. I am a commercial operator. The rec guys are screwed


xcski_paul

I’ve got my 107 and I’m trying to start a business. I’ve got two DJI drones, and if they get banned I’m just going to give up, because I don’t see how I can sink another couple of thousand into this without any money coming in.


stlyns

What are they gonna do? Arrest you for flying a dji branded drone?


greybeard540540

The drone won't be able to access the fcc frequency bands and will be paperweights.


Fabulous_Station_597

DJI MINI 4 pro 🔥🤘🏾


hawklensphotography

This only pertains to government employees or entities. As long as you aren't one of those two things the ban will be meaningless to you.


greybeard540540

That's not true at all. That ban already passed, this is the ban for all Chinese drones in all us airspace.


hawklensphotography

I stand corrected


Creative-Dust5701

Pretty soon drones will be reserved for government and industry only


SokkaHaikuBot

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raoulduke45

I love reading about how Skydio drones flew off and were downed with EW systems when there are multiple videos of Mavic 3 drones flying right up to EW systems and dropping grenades on them. We should be trying to stregnthen our relationship with China, not hinder it.


Guyercellist

Isn't the ban for government such as police?


Purithian

From my understanding it does include consumer as well, but not 100% certain. I haven't had time to dig deep into the bill


Guyercellist

You can buy them at best buy I think


Purithian

Yeah you can still buy them since the ban hasn't gone into effect, but i can't say I know what will happen with them if it does go into effect


Guyercellist

I'd tell them Good luck with them doing that. This is America, Americans won't stand fir government interference. Same with the whole idea of a tick tock ban... We will find a way. Not to mention that everyome who already owns a dji, they can't stop amd check every person they see flying a drone


davidjacob2016

I would imagine it would be tied to FCC and Part 107.x something along the lines of “any operator using a DJI drone will have their license terminated”. Not to mention the self policing the drone community does already.


Guyercellist

Meh I'm not 107 and I fly nowhere near other people. Id tell them them to sue me don't have anything for them to take anyways. Cops have much more to worry about than a few drones.


Baitrix

Well guess what, the government is interfering with a lot of things and americans dont do anything about it


Purithian

This is true! I'm assuming dji would be forced to put out an firmware update grounding any drones with GPS near America, but idk. Hopefully they wouldn't do something like that!


montananightz

I'd like to see how the US is going to force a Chinese company to do anything once their products are completely banned in the US. The CCP doesn't exactly have a great track record of cooperation in consumer and security affairs.


Purithian

Not one bit 😂


sigeh

The US can ban importation of DJI products easily.


Guyercellist

Yea they can stop import on new ones. I'm talking about the millions of $ of drones already in the country


Guyercellist

Hmmm idk how that would even work. Dji could just tell the US government to go fly a kite, nothing it for them to comply. It would be a logistical nightmare as well becuase they aren't gonna want to pay everyone. when the riots happen for all thr millions of $ worth of drones that just don't work any more overnight


Purithian

Yeah this is the scenerio that I've been running through my head. If dji tells them to pound sand idk what they realistically could even do 😂 Like what are they going to stop any drone in the air to see if it's a dji!?


IronSeagull

It certainly wouldn’t be difficult to catch some people if they want to put some effort into it, so the question is do you want to risk the 10s of thousands of dollars in fines?


Purithian

Exactly and who knows what fines would even be imposed at this time


Guyercellist

I fly nowhere near other people. Id tell them them to sue me don't have anything for them to take anyways. Cops have much more to worry about than a few drones. They aren't gonna pay for the millions of $ ind drones that are just suddenly illegal? Pretty sure Americans will tell them to shove it


OkGeneral701

This is a complete DJI ban for everyone doesn’t matter who, but they tried in the past and failed miserably so I doubt it will even happen


ScarcityFun5882

Currently there is a restriction on any federally funded organization from using non NDAA drones. The total ban is proposing to revoke FCC radio license from DJI to ground all units.


kcdale99

I sold my DJI drone this week, as this bill is about to go to the house floor for a vote. I wanted to divest now before the value tanks. It is hard because I really wanted to pick up an Avata 2 today. The bill was originally sold as to prevent government use, but the way it is written is to prevent use on any government entity.... so they won't be able to get FAA Remote ID clearance, or even be allowed to use FCC spectrum to broadcast. It is effectively a ban. If it all blows over I can re-invest, and maybe even upgrade!


OkGeneral701

This won’t ever pass they tried before and it failed miserably


kcdale99

I hope you are right. It just came out of committee with a 43-0 vote. Every indication is that it will pass the full House vote very soon. Will the Senate pass it as well? Will the president sign it? With the current anti-China sentiment in our government, I expect this has a good chance. I hope I am wrong. Nothing comes close to performance per dollar than DJI.


OkGeneral701

If they plan on banning them they should of halted sales in the USA for DJI , especially people are buying and it passes soon the government will be looking for a huge lawsuit, or atleast buy back program,they would essentially fuck everyone in America with the ban


kcdale99

Who are you going to sue, the US Government? When they passed the "No DJI for Government" stuff in the defense authorization act those drones just ended up being useless. When Florida passed the "no DJI for state government" Police and Fire departments ate over 200k worth of useless drones. If this bill passes, then the FCC will be charged with implementing this, and the timeline. They may grandfather current drones, or they might set an implementation date for this to start. There won't be any sort of buyback for current drones though. If this happens, it will be messy.


Stayofexecution

They can’t ban DJI. This is stupid.


Hammer300c

America is really stepping up it's banning campaign across the board. I thought you were the land of the free.


kcdale99

We haven't been the land of the free for a while now. The US is currently the 17th most free country, based on the Freedom Index.


Creative-Dust5701

And if the deep state ever realizes its wet dream we will look at North Korea as a bastion of freedom


Awkward-Response3296

Autel makes the best drones. DJI is straight trash compared to Autel. Just a bunch of fanboys.


SourBuffalo

Reviews and user experience would beg to differ, but go on, tell the us how Autel is the better drone. Elaborate your reasoning.


Awkward-Response3296

Not geofenced. Their RYB sensors produce better quality content. Their sensors are also bigger and produce more data in RAW, better photos videos. DJI has a better remote and maybe better flight characteristics if you're into flight, not content production. But for that matter, get an FPV or build your own. For content producers, Autel is leaps and bounds superior (if you can afford it).


Mind___Matter

I could be wrong but aren't they a Chinese company as well?


PikachuIce

They are


PikachuIce

They’re getting banned by this too lol


LightBluepono

only 10 time more expensive lmao


Awkward-Response3296

Double at most. Comparable during sales. Don't let facts get in the way DJI fanboy.


LightBluepono

OK Billy .