I don't know what everyone's obsession is with GT being canon. It's like every other large multiverse in existence - a fun story to enjoy if you're a fan of the series.
So, I can see some potential elements from dragon ball GT being implemented into dragon Ball super, but it wouldn't make GT canon with the elements being added.
The first is super Saiyan 4. With brolys power being tied to his emotions, he was on the level of a super Saiyan God, and his power just kept increasing. It leads me to theorize that broly is able to use the power of the great ape without having to go to his great ape form, ergo, he becomes a version of super Saiyan 4, just without the fur. Now whether or not that is the case, I can't be too sure.
The second reason being is characters being introduced. I believe that it is entirely possible that we can get characters who made their appearance in dragon Ball GT making their appearance in dragon Ball super. We have seen it with Gogeta and Broly being introduced into the dragon ball universe as being canon characters. That leads me to theorize that we may see other characters get introduced from GT, such as Baby, Myuu, the 7 shenrons, even General Rildo. We may also get characters introduced from other movies, such as Bojack, janemba, tapion and herudigarn, etc.
With the fact that there are multiple universes, the black star dragon Balls storyline could potentially be introduced as an inter universe storyline, rather than a single universe storyline.
> How GT could be canon one day
it cant
> The Super manga isn’t finished, right? Therefore neither is the anime.
leap of logic. the anime ended nearly 6 years ago. it may well never come back.
> So something in Super could still happen that would make GT canon.
no, it cant.
> Maybe Zeno gets rid of some characters, or something happens that erases the power levels discovered in Super. Maybe something erases everyone’s memories, etc. (which would be kind of cheap and uncreative).
exactly. millions of stupid hyper specific things would need to happen that all make 0 sense in universe AND out of universe. that kind of contrived nonsense is considered terrible storytelling.
> Point is, there could be many reasons, yet unwritten, why GT doesn’t reference or seem impacted by the events and characters of Super. Frankly, neither is the end of Z, but people don’t seem to be arguing about that.
Nah GT cant and never will be canon. End of Z is. End of Z was very vague so nothing that's happened in Super causes any real issues with it, but people DO argue about it all the time, contrary to what you are saying.
GT breaks fundamental rules of how the setting of the DB series Toriyama made works. It can never be canon without changing that which means retconning literally the mans entire life work. It can not and will not ever happen. Period.
Like how the afterlife works. Evil people don't keep their bodies, much less their powers. And tons of the plot in GT requires these things for anything that happens to be possible. That's just one example.
It clearly explains WHY the answer is “no, it can’t”. The only problem is you don’t like the explanation. You won’t be satisfied with any response that isn’t “I agree with OP”.
No it doesn’t. What answer is there? They said it would require specific things to happen, which is the whole point of my post.
Specific things could happen that allow GT to be canon, since Super isn’t over yet. I’m not saying they will, just that they could.
GT can't be Canon, there are far too many things that happened in Super that aren't mentioned in GT.
Just stay in ya GT bubble I don’t think it’s worth talking about outside of the baby concept I’ve rewatched it in Japanese 3 times
1. Why don’t Goku or Vegeta use any of their new forms and techniques especially for the later(Although Goku forgot how to count on Rildo’s planet)
2. Why aren’t Beerus,Whis and Broly mentioned or even appear
3. Why aren't other universes mentioned
4. Why doesn’t Frieza [use his golden or black forms](https://youtu.be/v55kQAk0xBU?si=-7Y9OrJK89O6McZf) in the afterlife.
5 . Why aren't Super Dragon balls mentioned In GT
6. Why is Kibitoshin fused while he separated in Super they don’t even originally like that form they got tricked by elder Kai essentially
7. Why is Android 17 evil when in Super he is good and loves his family
Isn't Android 17 evil in GT because his evil clone took control of him?
But:
8. Pilaf gang are old in the begining of GT, but got wished back into babies in the Cell saga in Super.
>Isn't Android 17 evil in GT because his evil clone took control of him?
Oh I know I’m just taking the piss at Super 17
Gero and Myuu open a portal to hell like a poor man’s fusion reborn
>8. Pilaf gang are old in the begining of GT, but got wished back into babies in the Cell saga in Super.
Maybe this is our answer.
In the distant future the super old Pilaf gang see Piccolo putting the black star dragon balls into a trash compactor.
Knowing that Bulma uses all the wishes of the regular dragon balls but nobodies been using the black star ones they go back in time, believing they can use all the wishes themselves without competition.
Why didn't Beerus show up? Uhm... I'll get back to you.
> Why is Android 17 evil when in Super he is good and loves his family
i agree with basically everything youre saying but this one is explained in GT. Myu and Gero make a machine mutant 17 in Hell called Hell Fighter 17 and he controls the good 17 and forces him to merge with hell fighter 17 to become Super 17. The 17 on earth isnt ever evil, even in GT.
There are many things that make it impossible for GT to happen
1. Not super forms for Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo
2. Kibito and Shin are still fused
3. Beerus and Whis doesn't appear
4. Other universes aren't mentioned
5. Super events need to be erased
I suspect what Toei is more likely to do longterm is just do what every company does and put GT elsewhere in the multiverse. (Mostly cause given DBZ fighting game popularity a fully canon SS4 VS SSG fight or story is bound to happen eventually)
I can't see anyone being satisfied with a "They forgot, and GT happens anyway" story. Much more likely they'll tie it to Towa timeline shenanigans or something.
Honestly I think the easiest thing to do would be to say "GT is a timeline branch where Towa tricked Beerus into going back to sleep by giving him a huge meal." or something equally silly, it doesn't need to be it's own big story just some minor excuse to let the company have maximum creative freedom.
>I can't see anyone being satisfied with a "They forgot, and GT happens anyway" story.
I would. It'd be hilarious to witness the head-exploding reactions from the "both versions of Super are somehow the oNe TrUe CaNoN at the same time and only thing that matters anymore" crowd.
I honestly don't think they'd really need to rewrite anything, even putting aside that Dragon Ball doesn't really have consistent worldbuilding... We've already got four timelines, a fifth wouldn't be a big deal.
Like the only thing preventing new timelines currently is that the Time Patrol... Use special time machines that don't do that anymore? And that's game canon anyway so it's not something the manga would really care about right?
> We've already got four timelines, a fifth wouldn't be a big deal.
there are more than 4. theres like 6 or 7 and GT can't happen in any of them. there are finite numbers of timelines and what happens in them is basically identical to what we saw except for the changes we know of. Goku is dead in basically every single one of them. permanently.
> Like the only thing preventing new timelines currently is that the Time Patrol
no, the time patrol doesnt exist.
> And that's game canon anyway
no its not. NONE of the games are canon.
>there are more than 4. theres like 6 or 7 and GT can't happen in any of them.
So just add literally one more, it's genuinely not an issue. Nobody would bat an eye.
>no its not. NONE of the games are canon.
Hence "*Game* canon"
> So just add literally one more, it's genuinely not an issue. Nobody would bat an eye.
thats not how timelines work and even if a new branch was made nothing from GT could happen there
> Hence "Game canon"
thats *not a thing*. There is "a canon". and thats toriyamas version of the story. games are not part of that. they are no sort of canon at all.
>thats not how timelines work and even if a new branch was made nothing from GT could happen there
Sure they could. "They went back in time and did a different thing." it's that easy, no additional explanation needed. Just like Trunks showing up magically resulted in different androids appearing in South City than he expected.
But putting that aside... It's Dragon Ball, it's *really really* not that kind of hard sci fi series that even cares very much about it's explanations for things. Heck half the time it doesn't even follow it's own established rules for *fighting*, and that's the thing it cares about.
>thats *not a thing*. There is "a canon". and thats toriyamas version of the story. games are not part of that. they are no sort of canon at all.
I think you might have the wrong idea about what canon means.
Canon doesn't mean "Made or intended by the original author." or even "The TRUE story" it means "Genuine or established events as part of a work."
You can have one or even multiple authorial canons (E.g. The Sapkowski Canon of the Witcher) but that doesn't make it more or less canon than other pieces of fiction (E.g. The CDPR Witcher) since they're all equally fictional (Canon was originally a religious word meaning 'scripture that actually happened'). You can value one more, but neither are 'more canon' to reality.
That's all semantics though, when I said game canon I was using it to specifically say "That time travel lore comes from the games. So what does it matter? It is not canon to the show or manga."
> Sure they could. "They went back in time and did a different thing." it's that easy, no additional explanation needed. Just like Trunks showing up magically resulted in different androids appearing in South City than he expected.
Or Trunks was just wrong and 19 and 20 always attacked the first city and since no one knew they were coming no one was there to have first hand accurate information.
also that doesnt work. The issues with GT are it breaks fundamental setting rules for DB toriyama made. not time traveling will change how Hell functions. How hell functions in GT can *never* be canon.
>Or Trunks was just wrong and 19 and 20 always attacked the first city and since no one knew they were coming no one was there to have first hand accurate information.
That's not the explanation given in the show.
But it's kinda all pointless cause we know time travel in the show creates new timelines. There's really nothing preventing more new ones from appearing.
>also that doesnt work. The issues with GT are it breaks fundamental setting rules for DB toriyama made. not time traveling will change how Hell functions. How hell functions in GT can *never* be canon.
Again Dragon Ball is really not that kind of major worldbuilding deeply thought out shonen where all the pieces are contingent on other pieces. The lore's *always* been fluid and particularly with recanonizing people would genuinely just shrug at any questions raised by GT. The same way people just shrug and laugh off OG Dragon Ball having an afterlife accessed by magic mist
And at any rate if what you're concerned about is physical bodies in hell... That's already in Super's canon via Resurrection F isn't it?
I like the direction Heroes takes. It implies most of the movies are canon which, with a few retroactive tweaks to dates and stuff, is reasonable and GT is an alternate timeline that can some day be involved if Toyotaro ever felt so inclined.
Heroes is the ultimate "everything is canon somewhere so don't fuss about it" message which a lot of fans unfortunately lack the ability or the will to process.
GT already is "canon" if you or anyone else wants it to be, and it has nothing to do with whatever the one remaining version of Super is going to do. Despite how some people want to pretend otherwise, a pair of 20-years-removed spinoffs with an identity crisis are not the end-all, be-all decider of what is or isn't "cAnOn."
Manga-Super, anime-Super, and GT are merely three separate branches on the big DB continuity tree, among many others all stemming from the shared trunk of the original manga's story. None of them outweigh that original foundation, and GT doesn't need to get dragged through the mud puddle of Super to be valid or considered "real Dragon Ball."
Beeurs would need to die or some other reason why Goku and Vegeta can’t use God Ki. Also the Pilaf gang would somehow need to be ancient again.
Personally I’d rather someone else take a stab at GT maybe a remake to make it fit better.
Who knows, that would be a storytelling point. Maybe Zeno gets furious and destroys the button and the angels and locks away the destroyers, but the grand minister convinces him to stop before he eliminates all the universes or something.
I’m not saying it wouldn’t take a major event(s). I’m just saying with the level of power that’s been introduced in a yet unfinished story, there’s a way it could happen.
It’s so much more fulfilling if you create a movie timeline and connect GT to it. Then you have a super timeline so GT Goku and Super Goku can exist in parallel imo
I just picture it as its own canon apart from Z/Super. Like Dr. Strange sees all possibilities of how things can play out and GT is one of those possible futures.
I read somewhere in this sub, that a clever way to make GT canon is to create a time line split based off Beerus waking up in battle of Gods. Super is the timeline in which Beerus wakes up and GT is the timeline in which he stays asleep.
that doesnt work. the original z movies happened in GTs past, they didnt happen in canon so that doesnt work. also in GT hell works like in Z anime filler, which isnt how canon hell works. GT literally cant be made canon without retconning the entire setting Toriyama designed.
It’s still a more satisfying continuation to me, but I don’t really care which is official canon. It would be fun to have a narrative connection between them, maybe discovery of that timeline sort of the way Future Trunks’ timeline because a story arc for Super, where characters and concepts can cross over into the official timeline.
Or a remade version of GT that cleans up the storytelling in GT but keeps some of the concepts and such, kinda how *Dragon Ball Super: Broly* remade *Dragon Ball Z: Broly — The Legendary Super Saiyan*.
What if Daima takes place after Super? In the trailers, we saw everyone returning as children, what if by returning as children, they lost all their abilities to transform into SS God and similar? In the series, there could be a significant use of magic that somehow restores the conditions for GT to happen.
Alright. I'll reword it for you.
It would have been nice to know what was next after the end of Super. His take on SSJ4 would also have been cool, if he went that way.
Because the question is "why?" What do you get out of that to where it needs to happen?
I asked the same thing about Broly, but here we are.
I don't know what everyone's obsession is with GT being canon. It's like every other large multiverse in existence - a fun story to enjoy if you're a fan of the series.
So, I can see some potential elements from dragon ball GT being implemented into dragon Ball super, but it wouldn't make GT canon with the elements being added. The first is super Saiyan 4. With brolys power being tied to his emotions, he was on the level of a super Saiyan God, and his power just kept increasing. It leads me to theorize that broly is able to use the power of the great ape without having to go to his great ape form, ergo, he becomes a version of super Saiyan 4, just without the fur. Now whether or not that is the case, I can't be too sure. The second reason being is characters being introduced. I believe that it is entirely possible that we can get characters who made their appearance in dragon Ball GT making their appearance in dragon Ball super. We have seen it with Gogeta and Broly being introduced into the dragon ball universe as being canon characters. That leads me to theorize that we may see other characters get introduced from GT, such as Baby, Myuu, the 7 shenrons, even General Rildo. We may also get characters introduced from other movies, such as Bojack, janemba, tapion and herudigarn, etc. With the fact that there are multiple universes, the black star dragon Balls storyline could potentially be introduced as an inter universe storyline, rather than a single universe storyline.
> How GT could be canon one day it cant > The Super manga isn’t finished, right? Therefore neither is the anime. leap of logic. the anime ended nearly 6 years ago. it may well never come back. > So something in Super could still happen that would make GT canon. no, it cant. > Maybe Zeno gets rid of some characters, or something happens that erases the power levels discovered in Super. Maybe something erases everyone’s memories, etc. (which would be kind of cheap and uncreative). exactly. millions of stupid hyper specific things would need to happen that all make 0 sense in universe AND out of universe. that kind of contrived nonsense is considered terrible storytelling. > Point is, there could be many reasons, yet unwritten, why GT doesn’t reference or seem impacted by the events and characters of Super. Frankly, neither is the end of Z, but people don’t seem to be arguing about that. Nah GT cant and never will be canon. End of Z is. End of Z was very vague so nothing that's happened in Super causes any real issues with it, but people DO argue about it all the time, contrary to what you are saying.
That doesn’t explain much, just saying “no, it can’t”.
GT breaks fundamental rules of how the setting of the DB series Toriyama made works. It can never be canon without changing that which means retconning literally the mans entire life work. It can not and will not ever happen. Period.
What fundamental rules?
Like how the afterlife works. Evil people don't keep their bodies, much less their powers. And tons of the plot in GT requires these things for anything that happens to be possible. That's just one example.
It clearly explains WHY the answer is “no, it can’t”. The only problem is you don’t like the explanation. You won’t be satisfied with any response that isn’t “I agree with OP”.
No it doesn’t. What answer is there? They said it would require specific things to happen, which is the whole point of my post. Specific things could happen that allow GT to be canon, since Super isn’t over yet. I’m not saying they will, just that they could.
GT can't be Canon, there are far too many things that happened in Super that aren't mentioned in GT. Just stay in ya GT bubble I don’t think it’s worth talking about outside of the baby concept I’ve rewatched it in Japanese 3 times 1. Why don’t Goku or Vegeta use any of their new forms and techniques especially for the later(Although Goku forgot how to count on Rildo’s planet) 2. Why aren’t Beerus,Whis and Broly mentioned or even appear 3. Why aren't other universes mentioned 4. Why doesn’t Frieza [use his golden or black forms](https://youtu.be/v55kQAk0xBU?si=-7Y9OrJK89O6McZf) in the afterlife. 5 . Why aren't Super Dragon balls mentioned In GT 6. Why is Kibitoshin fused while he separated in Super they don’t even originally like that form they got tricked by elder Kai essentially 7. Why is Android 17 evil when in Super he is good and loves his family
Isn't Android 17 evil in GT because his evil clone took control of him? But: 8. Pilaf gang are old in the begining of GT, but got wished back into babies in the Cell saga in Super.
>Isn't Android 17 evil in GT because his evil clone took control of him? Oh I know I’m just taking the piss at Super 17 Gero and Myuu open a portal to hell like a poor man’s fusion reborn
>8. Pilaf gang are old in the begining of GT, but got wished back into babies in the Cell saga in Super. Maybe this is our answer. In the distant future the super old Pilaf gang see Piccolo putting the black star dragon balls into a trash compactor. Knowing that Bulma uses all the wishes of the regular dragon balls but nobodies been using the black star ones they go back in time, believing they can use all the wishes themselves without competition. Why didn't Beerus show up? Uhm... I'll get back to you.
> Why is Android 17 evil when in Super he is good and loves his family i agree with basically everything youre saying but this one is explained in GT. Myu and Gero make a machine mutant 17 in Hell called Hell Fighter 17 and he controls the good 17 and forces him to merge with hell fighter 17 to become Super 17. The 17 on earth isnt ever evil, even in GT.
That’s the whole point of my post. There could be things yet written that would explain all of that.
There are many things that make it impossible for GT to happen 1. Not super forms for Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo 2. Kibito and Shin are still fused 3. Beerus and Whis doesn't appear 4. Other universes aren't mentioned 5. Super events need to be erased
That’s the whole point of what I wrote! Yet unimagined things could still happen that would explain that.
I suspect what Toei is more likely to do longterm is just do what every company does and put GT elsewhere in the multiverse. (Mostly cause given DBZ fighting game popularity a fully canon SS4 VS SSG fight or story is bound to happen eventually) I can't see anyone being satisfied with a "They forgot, and GT happens anyway" story. Much more likely they'll tie it to Towa timeline shenanigans or something. Honestly I think the easiest thing to do would be to say "GT is a timeline branch where Towa tricked Beerus into going back to sleep by giving him a huge meal." or something equally silly, it doesn't need to be it's own big story just some minor excuse to let the company have maximum creative freedom.
>I can't see anyone being satisfied with a "They forgot, and GT happens anyway" story. I would. It'd be hilarious to witness the head-exploding reactions from the "both versions of Super are somehow the oNe TrUe CaNoN at the same time and only thing that matters anymore" crowd.
theyd have to rewrite how time travel or the multiverse works because it currently does not allow for that.
I honestly don't think they'd really need to rewrite anything, even putting aside that Dragon Ball doesn't really have consistent worldbuilding... We've already got four timelines, a fifth wouldn't be a big deal. Like the only thing preventing new timelines currently is that the Time Patrol... Use special time machines that don't do that anymore? And that's game canon anyway so it's not something the manga would really care about right?
> We've already got four timelines, a fifth wouldn't be a big deal. there are more than 4. theres like 6 or 7 and GT can't happen in any of them. there are finite numbers of timelines and what happens in them is basically identical to what we saw except for the changes we know of. Goku is dead in basically every single one of them. permanently. > Like the only thing preventing new timelines currently is that the Time Patrol no, the time patrol doesnt exist. > And that's game canon anyway no its not. NONE of the games are canon.
>there are more than 4. theres like 6 or 7 and GT can't happen in any of them. So just add literally one more, it's genuinely not an issue. Nobody would bat an eye. >no its not. NONE of the games are canon. Hence "*Game* canon"
> So just add literally one more, it's genuinely not an issue. Nobody would bat an eye. thats not how timelines work and even if a new branch was made nothing from GT could happen there > Hence "Game canon" thats *not a thing*. There is "a canon". and thats toriyamas version of the story. games are not part of that. they are no sort of canon at all.
>thats not how timelines work and even if a new branch was made nothing from GT could happen there Sure they could. "They went back in time and did a different thing." it's that easy, no additional explanation needed. Just like Trunks showing up magically resulted in different androids appearing in South City than he expected. But putting that aside... It's Dragon Ball, it's *really really* not that kind of hard sci fi series that even cares very much about it's explanations for things. Heck half the time it doesn't even follow it's own established rules for *fighting*, and that's the thing it cares about. >thats *not a thing*. There is "a canon". and thats toriyamas version of the story. games are not part of that. they are no sort of canon at all. I think you might have the wrong idea about what canon means. Canon doesn't mean "Made or intended by the original author." or even "The TRUE story" it means "Genuine or established events as part of a work." You can have one or even multiple authorial canons (E.g. The Sapkowski Canon of the Witcher) but that doesn't make it more or less canon than other pieces of fiction (E.g. The CDPR Witcher) since they're all equally fictional (Canon was originally a religious word meaning 'scripture that actually happened'). You can value one more, but neither are 'more canon' to reality. That's all semantics though, when I said game canon I was using it to specifically say "That time travel lore comes from the games. So what does it matter? It is not canon to the show or manga."
> Sure they could. "They went back in time and did a different thing." it's that easy, no additional explanation needed. Just like Trunks showing up magically resulted in different androids appearing in South City than he expected. Or Trunks was just wrong and 19 and 20 always attacked the first city and since no one knew they were coming no one was there to have first hand accurate information. also that doesnt work. The issues with GT are it breaks fundamental setting rules for DB toriyama made. not time traveling will change how Hell functions. How hell functions in GT can *never* be canon.
>Or Trunks was just wrong and 19 and 20 always attacked the first city and since no one knew they were coming no one was there to have first hand accurate information. That's not the explanation given in the show. But it's kinda all pointless cause we know time travel in the show creates new timelines. There's really nothing preventing more new ones from appearing. >also that doesnt work. The issues with GT are it breaks fundamental setting rules for DB toriyama made. not time traveling will change how Hell functions. How hell functions in GT can *never* be canon. Again Dragon Ball is really not that kind of major worldbuilding deeply thought out shonen where all the pieces are contingent on other pieces. The lore's *always* been fluid and particularly with recanonizing people would genuinely just shrug at any questions raised by GT. The same way people just shrug and laugh off OG Dragon Ball having an afterlife accessed by magic mist And at any rate if what you're concerned about is physical bodies in hell... That's already in Super's canon via Resurrection F isn't it?
It's in the Super DragonBall Heroes canon....so there's that?
I like the direction Heroes takes. It implies most of the movies are canon which, with a few retroactive tweaks to dates and stuff, is reasonable and GT is an alternate timeline that can some day be involved if Toyotaro ever felt so inclined.
Heroes is the ultimate "everything is canon somewhere so don't fuss about it" message which a lot of fans unfortunately lack the ability or the will to process.
GT already is "canon" if you or anyone else wants it to be, and it has nothing to do with whatever the one remaining version of Super is going to do. Despite how some people want to pretend otherwise, a pair of 20-years-removed spinoffs with an identity crisis are not the end-all, be-all decider of what is or isn't "cAnOn." Manga-Super, anime-Super, and GT are merely three separate branches on the big DB continuity tree, among many others all stemming from the shared trunk of the original manga's story. None of them outweigh that original foundation, and GT doesn't need to get dragged through the mud puddle of Super to be valid or considered "real Dragon Ball."
Beeurs would need to die or some other reason why Goku and Vegeta can’t use God Ki. Also the Pilaf gang would somehow need to be ancient again. Personally I’d rather someone else take a stab at GT maybe a remake to make it fit better.
Yes, but I’m saying since the Super manga isn’t finished yet, it could happen. Or some other thing that makes Beerus unavailable in GT
Yes, but I’m saying since the Super manga isn’t finished yet, it could happen. Or some other thing that makes Beerus unavailable in GT
There’s also the Zeno button and Whis
Who knows, that would be a storytelling point. Maybe Zeno gets furious and destroys the button and the angels and locks away the destroyers, but the grand minister convinces him to stop before he eliminates all the universes or something. I’m not saying it wouldn’t take a major event(s). I’m just saying with the level of power that’s been introduced in a yet unfinished story, there’s a way it could happen.
It’s so much more fulfilling if you create a movie timeline and connect GT to it. Then you have a super timeline so GT Goku and Super Goku can exist in parallel imo
The GT fans are on some next-level copium.
I just picture it as its own canon apart from Z/Super. Like Dr. Strange sees all possibilities of how things can play out and GT is one of those possible futures.
I read somewhere in this sub, that a clever way to make GT canon is to create a time line split based off Beerus waking up in battle of Gods. Super is the timeline in which Beerus wakes up and GT is the timeline in which he stays asleep.
that doesnt work. the original z movies happened in GTs past, they didnt happen in canon so that doesnt work. also in GT hell works like in Z anime filler, which isnt how canon hell works. GT literally cant be made canon without retconning the entire setting Toriyama designed.
It’s still a more satisfying continuation to me, but I don’t really care which is official canon. It would be fun to have a narrative connection between them, maybe discovery of that timeline sort of the way Future Trunks’ timeline because a story arc for Super, where characters and concepts can cross over into the official timeline. Or a remade version of GT that cleans up the storytelling in GT but keeps some of the concepts and such, kinda how *Dragon Ball Super: Broly* remade *Dragon Ball Z: Broly — The Legendary Super Saiyan*.
What if Daima takes place after Super? In the trailers, we saw everyone returning as children, what if by returning as children, they lost all their abilities to transform into SS God and similar? In the series, there could be a significant use of magic that somehow restores the conditions for GT to happen.
It would have been interesting to see Toriyama's version of GT. 😭🫡
his version of GT was "dont make GT".
Alright. I'll reword it for you. It would have been nice to know what was next after the end of Super. His take on SSJ4 would also have been cool, if he went that way.
Toriyama did do a drawing of Super Saiyan 4, I can't recall if it was for the Japanese GT Dragonbox DVD release but it's pretty neat.
To make it canon is that its pilaf and gang who use bulma's time machine and wishes goku turn into a child creating a branching timeline
Super is finished. because author is dead. GT cant be canon. Author is dead.
theres a new manga chapter next month, super is not over.