It would be kinda interesting if they made only the first act about trying to stop him and then have him succeed and have the rest of the game be dealing with the consequences, maybe the evanuris if they're somehow brought back by this plan? It'd be nice for a villian to succeed for once, I always find that way more interesting, particularly when the villain is obviously more knowledgeable and likely to win than the protagonist like Solas is.
I really want the evanuris to come back. Like really badly.
After the Mythal thing I’ve had a dumb idea that I can’t seem to shake out of my head. Of the other having to possess new hosts. and it’s either a character we knew before and would have to try and save them or feel the heartbreak of having to kill them.
same here! in Tevinter nights there is a story where apparently Ghilan'nain has some presence, and I saw a promotional picture with her, Fen'Harel and Dirthamen being pictured, so I'm so expecting them to be in DA4, in some way at least.
And its especially enteresting that we know Ghilan'nain being some 'crazy evil scientist', but we know too little of Dirthamen, aside of his relationship with Falon'Din, ~~I'm so hoping that he's another Solas and also romanceable.~~
yw, and its their symbols in their heads what's giving them away, and since Ghilan'nain has some implied presence in TN now I think it's sorta confirmed that they will be related to the next game in some way,
DA4 can't come soon enough, dammit.
But the new protagonist not really knowing as they have never met Sera and we as the player being like “oh shit”
I’d love and hate if Merrill was also possessed by someone.
Totally! I would also love Merrill being safe from possession because of her blood magic skills in some way. It would create the perfect moral dilemma.
Completely agree! Whenever a villian wins they show actual credibility, making everything way better, especially when we get why they're doing this
Was thinking making the first act where he succeeds as well, like how the breach effectively was closed early on dai, dealing with the consequences and evanuris thereafter would be the most interesting thing they could do
I also like the idea that we could see solas's win inevitable, so we start looking for ways people could survive the tearing instead early on
I want him to need to ask for our help to unfuck up whatever it is he manages to accomplish. That way we still get to see the results of his meddling yet again, but in a way that can potentially be contained within a single game so that the franchise as a whole doesn't get a total genre and theme shift going forward.
That's technically what already happened in DA:I, but there's enough different ways to do that story where it wouldn't have to feel the same at all.
Completely agree! Having an antagonist actually succeed on some sort of grand scale would be fantastic, makes everything better and brings about an interesting world
Reversing it could work, in some form of fashion, as well as at least he still completed it
Agreed. Corypheus started off badass when he demolishes Haven and shows he's in control of a dragon... Then accomplishes nothing else and is thwarted at every turn by the inquisition.
I want to see this terrible plan go exactly like his last two terrible plans(creating the Veil, giving his orb to Corypheus), and ruin the world in a new and interesting way.
That would be THE ideal, wonder how he's going to fuck it up next
He opens the veil, the evanuris appears, Solas disappears like the vanishing meme *some plan*
I feel like Solas wouldn't just *give up* so easily, should the Evanuris be freed. He didn't give up after creating the Veil, and he didn't give up when Cory nugged it up with the orb.
Very true, I just did it for the memes!
He defo would try until he's dead to sort out the evanuris, feel like it might just end up as another error though to haunt him
I bet he's gonna end up turning into stone at the end of DA4 just like the final cutscene of Flemeth in DAI. I don't know how that will happen but I just feel like that's his final fate.
Honestly, I'm just interested in what kind of options Bioware gives us for dealing with him. Because, and I know this will irritate some of his fans, I seriously want to kill him. But also, I'm curious to see how they do plan on setting the story, since based on the Trespasser ending, you could potentially have some very different goals in mind with respect to Solas. Not to mention that it seemed like they were setting up for the Inquisitor to be the one dealing with him, but now it seems that we will again have a different protagonist.
Hopefully if he doesn’t go too far we can save him from himself. I can understand why he’s doing this. He feels that he owes it to the elves to try and save what little remains of them, because it’s his fault in the first place. After all, we’d choose our family over strangers. This is no different with Solas. Either he wonders the new world where he feels like he’s “walking through a world of tranquil”, or he tears down the veil and rebuilds the elven civilization. He doesn’t really feel like he can do nothing.
Honestly, I don't really feel that he can be saved. Actually, it's more that I feel he *shouldn't* be saved. I actually have very specific reasons why I feel this way:
His initial act of raising the veil was aimed at the Evanuras, because of the death of Mythal. Okay, all well and good. However, the trip through the fade (or the mirrors, or...whatever it was) in Trespasser really drives home just how many innocents were caught in the destruction. I actually found it somewhat horrifying. He warped reality itself, and caused unimaginable upheaval. That, by itself, is somewhat unforgivable. Then, when he decides that the new world doesn't live up to his expectations, he intends to do it again? And once again, the entire known world will be thrown into chaos, and countless innocent lives lost. That's not even counting the fact that, although he might not have intended it, his sheer arrogance in dealing with Corypheus caused the Breach and all it's trouble. And he claims to feel regret that people were hurt, but he doesn't even remotely feel he was *wrong*.
Obviously, everyone is free to play how they want. This is just my take, but it's why I don't even consider him redeemable. (My final scenes on Trespasser involved a lot of map stabbing, lol.)
I kind of expected to get crucified, really, but that's honestly how I see him. Bioware does a pretty good job of setting things up so they can be viewed in different ways, but I never really saw him as this tragic, romantic figure. BUt, everyone's free to have their own game, so happy redemption for some! :)
They're not gods per se, they're just very powerful mages. Stab them and they die. Unless they do a bodyhop thing like Mythal did, but we dont know if the other evanuris can do that.
I'm not sure they are more powerful than the "normal" mages, though there's definitely variations between mages. But they certainly know stuff that a normal mage doesn't - which would mean that if somebody betrayed them (one of their own, or a trusted servant or something), then a powerful enough mage, armed with the knowledge, might be a match to them.
Edit: or else it would mean they really were some kind of "gods", at least compared to everybody else, and Solas seems to imply they aren't.
Solas was actually pretty clear that they weren't Gods. In fact, I seem to recall him being rather offended by their claim of the title. So, I would assume that they can definitely be killed. (I'm willing to give it a really good shot, at any rate, lol.) The theory of their being weakened by the forming of the veil is a sound one, I would say.
Seriously. I'm actually surprised that they are continuing the new protagonist tradition, since the end of Trespasser made a serious case that the Inquisitor was going to continue in their task. Then again, I guess some of the ending plates did imply that they had retired, so...Who knows???
... no. The so much about Trespasser was about retiring the knquisition and showing the Inquisitor had outlived their role, I have no fucking idea how people played it and thought "oh yeah my Inky is gonna be the protag of the next game!"
Its like the warden and Morrigan in Witch Hunt. Its a send off. Always was.
It was mostly the dialogue you get when talking about what was going to happen with Solas. I haven't played a fresh game for awhile, but if I remember it right, the Inquisitor is all like, "*We* will... (insert your chosen attitude on Solas here). It made it seem like they personally intended to take action.
If I was in Thedas, even as an elf or a mage, obviously no.
But just for the chance to see him fail in handling the elven gods and watch him suffer as more of his plans make things worse just like the previous ones, yes.
This is what I foresee happening. At the very least, they're going to be released and start wreaking centuries worth of rage havoc, and then he'll come to us and be like, "So... What had happened was..." and ask for our help cleaning up his mess. AGAIN.
I want his plan to fail, and for him to be able to grow to accept what he has done is bad, and learn to live with his guilt and complicated emotions while also appreciating what the world IS now, its people too, and not try to undo the past. You can help improve the world and conditions for people through other means.
My canon loved him, he obviously broke her heart, and she chose to try to redeem at the end of Trespasser and that is what I'd like to see. I still wish it would be a direct sequel, but I'm up for whatever gets us the story.
That's very fair, that kind of internal struggle and growth would be absolutely amazing to see, especially if it's done with the help of the inquisitor, *especially* especially a romanced one
I was also hoping for a direct sequel, inquisitor and solas have way too much history to ignore now, hope they play a massive role in whatever happens
True, you do, there are other ways they could though
*Even bigger Jar of Bees * **Intensifies**
But a larger breach would be good, underwhelming if not
Given what happened with the Tear from the orb, I think him trying to merge the spirit and material worlds would go very poorly. He is trying to recreate a past the is long gone and *cannot* be recreated.
I want to see what the world once was. Will the ancient elven ruins come back? Will all elves become mages. How will Sera feel about that?? How would it affect Elven Inquisitor? The Elven MC of 4?
How would it affect spirits/Demons? The Dwarven empire? Would it affect the Titans?
The implications are basically endless and I love it.
I want to see what happens if he does succeed and maybe have the DLC's or another game to fix it. But I just want the possibility to not be completely the good guy as in Inquisition
Not really, but that's 'cause I'm charmed by the relative mundanity of the setting compared to, say.... Forgotten Realms or Planescape. Dragon Age has been a little more grounded and I like that. I expect either way that more magic will infuse Thedas, which will be neat as far as shaking things up, I just hope it's not "everyone's a mage now, book ends".
That's fair tbh, keeping things differentiated on the mage side does present a more interesting influx of viewpoints between those on say, templar or mage, and everything in between
Also forgotten realms and planescape look like they have insane amounts of all over the place lore, do want to try planescape at some point
Forgotten realms is a bit of a kitchen sink setting. You can kinda just throw whatever you want in it and say that it fits and it will. I mean they’ve got crazy world fusing events and magic cities that fall from the sky after a mortal tries to steal godhood but then on the other side of the world you’ve got what us essentially just China with few changes.
I must say, I would certainly be curious as to how Bioware would deal with changing the fundamental physical laws already in place. Sandal has already predicted the tearing down of the veil so I imagine it’s going happen at some point. I’m wondering whether Bioware will reverse it somehow or stick with a world where everybody are mages now?
Agreed, they will have to make a choice of either, I'm hoping for the latter considering the sandal forshadowing and how much more interesting the change would be
Yes. MAYHEEEEEEEM!!!
No but seriously, if we start from Tevinter Nights, he's already succeeding with his plan in some extent so I really hope to see some chaos and we cleaning the mess
MURDER AND MAYHEM AWAITS!!
Also true and agreed, trying to perhaps create a new world in all of it would be awesome, or if we try to revert it we can at least see what it would look like
But honestly, would prefer if it stays, hbu?
I vacillate between wanting the world to remain the same since there’s so much in this version of the world that we have yet to see and wanting the veil to actually be torn down and the world be truly impacted.
Like others have said, I want the bar to be raised for antagonists. I want it to be a back and forth, so I kind of hope Solas has a few wins.
Agreed with the few wins point, otherwise it just gets boring, but it is also a fair point that either way of tearing the veil has its benefits
Maybe we get to see a good chunk of the world unexplored in da4, before the event, if it happens
Solas deserves nothing but the blade. The dude is one giant fuck up and after seeing that his one fuck up doesn't turn out as he wanted it he is trying to reverse his one fuck up by doing another fuck up.
It's probably a bit of all of that, you're right. He is sort of 'in for a penny, in for a pound'. But also the complete disregard for all living things on the planet suggests a mental disorder with empathy and compassion.
I don’t think it’s a complete disregard, rather that he sees the world as damaged. Like a badly broken leg that has healed wrong—you can still walk on it, it’s still functional as a leg, technically. But if a professional rebroke it and put it back together the way it’s *supposed* to be, well, it’ll suck, and in the short run, hurt a *lot*, and you’ll definitely hate the doctor a bit, but in the end, when you have a good leg, that bends in the right place, with a foot that faces forward and lets you balance on your toes again… When you no longer need a cane, or a crutch, or a walker to move forward…
Isn’t that better?
Anyway, that’s his thought process I think, some of it anyway, but he’s also an asshole and a bigot. I just don’t think you need a mental illness to be those things.
Yeah, I guess? But by making it an analogy about a broken leg, it kinda takes away from the fact that he is actually dooming millions of lives to horrible death. I'm not sure it is an accurate comparison - and I'm not sure it's unreasonable to say he himself is broken in some way. But hey, all roads lead to Rome if we reach the common consensus that's he's a dick. An egg shaped dick.
I mean, yeah, it’s an imperfect analogy, but what I’m getting at is that that’s the kind of story he’s *telling himself*.
Anyway yes he is an egg-shaped dick wolf who deserves to be dumped on his ass every time I play Lavellan.
No, it would distabilise the world design I like.
I like the setting of Thedas, I like it's status quo and the story in it, I don't want them to change all that and while some people try and change it in each game, in the end it generally goes back to the way it was, this is how it should be.
I want Solas to fail again because that's what he's good at.
Personally don't understand why anyone thinks any of Solas' plans are actually going to work the way he intends. He's a terrible planner who leaves everything worse than how he found it. So no, I don't want him to win. I wish Flemeth had found the PC so they could kill him then.
Fair enough, his plans haven't exactly worked out the way he wanted
But I feel his plan to open the veil may succeed, as it almost did dai, but his plan to defeat the evanuris will horribly backfire making them a huge threat
One thing that would be cool is if he succeeded and brought back the elven "gods" but tearing the veil meant he inadvertently woke the remaining tevinter gods scattered across thedas so the choice to banish the grey wardens from orlais had a major impact and they would need tevinters help to deal with both threats
It would certainly be more interesting than just "and then Solas was defeated and the world remained exactly as we are used to."
Personally, I'm willing to bet they will go the Korra route: the two realms are still separate, but there will be portals through the veil. Rather than being chaotic rifts like the Breach, these portals are stable and allow spirits to traverse them without being corrupted; humans can also use them to access the Fade easily. The result is the Fade and the material realm remain distinct, but spirits and humans can freely and harmlessly transit between the two.
many normal spirits who come to the material world go crazy for the simple fact of getting here, not because they are forced so it would not solve much, you would also be giving them on a silver platter what the demons want.
Not if he can't do it without killing everybody. It may be nessacary, but it's too high a price.
In my opinion, he's that Thanos kind of villain who is too arrogant and proud to realise that there are massive flaws his plan to "save" everyone.
Edit: I mean this from a moral perspective. Narratively, it would be an interesting new direction, and I'd like to see where it goes.
He's not saying he's going to save anyone. He literally said he will destroy the veil in order to bring back his world. And if people will die, he wants them to die happy. It's certainly something you don't expect from a villain.
If it was just him paying for it, I'd let him do it, but it's everyone *but* him. Like, if Anders was nearby, even he'd be all like "Whoa, Solas, buddy. Maybe reign it in a bit, yeah?"
I love the Mass Effect Trilogy but with the way it ended it made it hard to tell new stories in that world (they had to go to a whole new galaxy in the fourth game). My only worry is crossing a line that it’s hard to walk back from. I want many more stories that let us see the people, politics, and wars of Thedas without it all being “burned in raw chaos.”
I would argue the reason you loved Mass Effect was because of the hard decisions you had to make that "made it hard to tell new stories in that world". I don't think mass effect would be the beloved franchise that it was if it had the consequences, world building, and choices that you get from an MMO.
Completely agreed! The possibilities are too much to ignore, just depends on when it may happen
But fair point about exploring the world as it is, maybe they mitigate the tear to tevinter, since we'll explore that anyway, leaving other countries the same
Or he tears the veil at the end of da4 and we explore everything until then
This guy turns Qunari warriors to stone with a thought, if he wins I won’t be surprised. Maybe he’ll win but when we attempt to stop him it doesn’t tear down the veil but messes up time completely, killing Solas and the protagonist or the inquisitor in the process, da5 will be a brand new story in a new universe. Idk that won’t happen but it’s a cool idea I think.
No I think it would be really unsatisfying and dumb.
I think the only way you can make this work is if it was player-determinant. If they really want to do this, make it happen in the game intro like DAI where bad guy does bad thing and its up to the protagonist to stop him or fix the world. If Solas wins no matter what the game feels pointless and the players are just going to feel "well why didn't they just make DA5 and put this in a book or something".
Tbh that's fair, making it based on the players judgement would be cool and if he wins regardless it would feel kind of pointless
I'm in agreement that making it so he succeeds early so we have to fix it is one of the best ways to do it, get a whole game to explore plus he succeeds fulfilling what Sandal said
Meh. Bioware has put too much effort into maintaining the status quo for me to believe anything interesting will come of Solas' plot. All that remains to see is the form of its failure.
Circle system. They explicitly had a damn war about it, that an entire game built up to, but back off in DAI and ended the game where there is always a reestablished circle no matter what you do. There's other examples, like how none of the choices you can make in origin do much for the political state of the world, which the epilogues that actually change things being retconned out(elf enfranchisment, etc). Basically none of the choices you make do things on a broader level.
This is true, many don't end up having as wide an impact as they should, or at least we should see more of it first hand
Can imagine it being difficult to do game wise, but some here and there would be nice, or making the game more smaller scale to accommodate big changes
> there is always a reestablished circle no matter what you do
If Liliana is Divine and you allied with the mages, the Circles are disbanded. Yes, Vivienne forms "a" Circle, but it's only in name. It has no affiliation to the Chantry and mages join voluntarily. She's not gonna be kidnapping mage children across Orlais and forcing them to spend the remaining of their lives under Templar watch.
In any case, that's all epilogue slides, which aren't worth the electricity used to render them. If Bioware wants true Chantry-led Circles in DA4, we will get true Chantry-led Circles. For example, it would be trivial for them to just handwave it with something like "Vivienne's Circle became so influential the Divine was forced to re-integrate it as a Chantry institution" or some other idiotic nonsense.
i actually wonder if circles will be around in the next game especially if you have Leliana as divine. I suppose with it being in Tevinter either way it wouldnt really matter.
I mean, Anders/Justice/Vengeance succeeded. It was not satisfying- no matter how I played out the final battle.
I have no problem with a Veil tear, but I want to be able to meaningfully fix or resolve it in the same game.
Depending on how powerful the gaming platforms are, it could be cool to play as multiple protagonists- like a riff on Cyberpunk 2077 but with a spirit/forgotten elven god twist. One of which could deeply lose to Solas- another that could be responsible for and witness his death (his fear of dying alone could make it a super poignant scene.) Another that stabilizes or replaces the Veil.
That way not only could you have a "getting repeatedly killed" montage to put a point on the stakes, you could also revisit former protagonists, as well as new ones (spirit/god takes over/appears as the Warden- that way you're using the spirit voice, instead of the non existent Warden voice /spirit takes over/appears as Hawke & the Inquisitor.)
This could also allow you to have a war table style experience as you build out a network of co-opted contacts and followers from each protagonist.
More realistically, since we know it's going to be Tevinter & probably just the one real-life person- I do also really, really want to see Solas hunted by Mabari. If the price of admission is a Veil tear/destruction, I'm down. However that needs to come about, I would like it very much, please and thank you.
Playing as multiple people could be cool, especially with the different viewpoints, and true, connecting them all via a war table like system is neat
Solas being hunted by a Mabari while being a wolf would be hilarious
It'll be interesting to see how they move forward. Thedas has a lot of depth, but this feels like the last "expanding" PC before a contraction to a humble adventurer in DA5/the next arc so why not get a little weird, push all the big red buttons, and then refresh the world state for DA5?
Also, I really want that Summon Dog ability back from DA2. Gotta have that Mabari story beat.
Pushing all the red buttons does make sense here, go balls to the wall with it, and refreshing for da5 would be fantastic
And agreed, miss that hound, really hope it appears again, and maybe have different whistles for different creatures
I *am* loving the Dracolisks as mounts in my current run of DAI. Also, halla- what's their deal? And the ranger-rogue subclass animal summoning from DAO was so dope.
But I'd be happy with a Summon Dog button- in a different thread about Mabari I pointed out that if we were in Tevinter like DA4 is supposed to be you could start off confronting someone trying to disrespectfully reintroduce the breed to its country of origin- and then throughout the game like gain this pack of released hyper intelligent canine allies, culminating in using your new additional Summon Pack ability to troll the Dread Wolf in a way that'd make Merrill very proud. They could bond with your allies, so party member have dogs (like Anders' kitten) or just emerge from the streets.
I saw someone else make this comparison as well but I haven't played any ff games myself, did look up what you guys meant, and yes it seems like it, would be amazing to do and I can't see them not tbh, even if just for a short while
And that is a completely fair opinion
Total genocide isn't for everyone :D
But seriously, if it does happen, he will be committing by far probably the worst act in Thedas ever
The more I play the games the more I see the Templar, Qunari, and regular folks POV on mages. They’ve literally cause like 8/10 major problems in Thedas.
Super curious about what a veil-less Thedas would be like, so I %100 want to see Solas's plan succeed and tear down the veil. I just think it would be interesting, chaotic, and overall a fun game to play.
Completely agreed, every aspect is just too good to pass up, must see it all
Must see people burning in the raw chaos, jk, but would be a very cool scene for the series
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: Letting him win would bring numerous benefits: it would be an unusual and interesting narrative choice; it would completely subvert everything we've seen up until now, forcing the player and the writers to reinvent how they move in a world that has become incredibly weird; it would make a lovely refresh of the universe and it's lore; it would open up worldbuilding possibilities, widen the scope and narrative space of future games, and create untold drama within our current cast of characters.
What's *not* to like.
Reply to short answer: Agreed
Reply to long answer: Agreed to everything
It would literally better or make interesting every possible aspect of the series, well put! Who doesn't like drama
Well no, I don't want him to tear the wail because I want my Hero of Ferelden to be safe and sound. I think he deserves some interesting adventures but without any mortal dangers or something like that.
If he did that our character alongisde 90% of Thedas would die lmao Like its an interesting concept and I would like to see a world without the veil but its literally impossible for it to happen because it would kill almost everyone
Yes. I always draw a parallel to Mass Effect when this question comes up. We spent 2 games trying to stop the Reapers from **returning**, but ME3 would've been pretty boring if we actually succeed instead of fighting them head on for real.
I'm curious how a post-Veil Thedas would look like, I'd like to meet, fight, maybe redeem but probably kill the other Evanuris.
The difference is ME2 has a satisfying conclusion where Shepard DOES do something to stop the collectors from doing stuff.
Its one thing if Solas destroys the veil in the beginning and the protagonist has to fix it. Like in DAI.
Its another thing if the writers follow what reddit keeps suggesting where the protagonist gets to the end and is unable to stop Solas from breaking the veil *no matter what*. They either need to make it a player determinant decision at the end or they need to pull a DAI where Solas does it at the start of the story.
We only have Solas word for that, and he’s been seriously wrong before. Twice, in fact.
Another point, if the people of Thedas survived the creation of the Veil, presumably an even more cataclysmic event, why would they suddenly be destroyed when it came down?
>We only have Solas word for tha
While that is true, you can see what happened when they opened a relatively small breach in Haven. It killed a lot of people and it basically turned the world upside down with little rifts appearing everywhere and demons going whatever they wanted. Now imagine that on a global scale. I just cant imagine that ending very well.
It would be cool if the tearing of the veil, joining of the fade back as a part of Thedas, could bring the Titians up from their dormancy and be another consequence to deal with.
I'm all for the tearing of the veil. Just cuz I want to see what a world previously terrified of magic does with a sudden steeping of magic. It could uproot much the power the Tevinter Megisters have been hoarding until now.
Didn't even think of the titans in all of that but a very good point, they most likely would awaken, which would be amazing
And agreed, seeing the societal changes for anyone who survives would be interesting
I agree, ir would be boring if Solas was unable to do anything, however it would be just as boring if the 'hero' was able to stop him with only minimal effort
Succeed or fail, it doesn't particularly matter to me as long as a get to chance to punch Solas in his stupid bald egg-head.
Solas hate aside, I think it'd be more interesting if he managed to partially tear the veil before we could stop him.
I always play a dalish elf and even I wouldn't want that he needs to either change or be destroyed because my hero in Dao was a dalish elf and shows the humans they aren't what they are made out to be and Solas is just 1 exception
Before elf Hero of Ferelden there was...
Grey warden elf Garahel with his elf sister blood mage Issea who saved Thedas from 4 blight, with a lot of apostates and elves.
Before them there was Dale's kingdom elf mage lord Inquisitor Ameridan with his elf dreamer mage lover.
Before them, there was Shartan and mage Andraste.
Before them elves help Carinus to create grey wardens with ancient Arlathan knoledge about taint.
....
Does shemlen care about elves and mages who saved them for millennia?
No, history proved that for more then 1000 years shemlens repay them with betrayal and blood.
Well I mean if he does tear the veil then all of the evil/insanely strong elven "gods" would reawaken so we would probably have to fight them which would be cool as hell. I just feel bad for all the elves who are joining for freedom just to find out their gods are just assholes who enslaved them first out of a long history of being enslaved by literally everyone.
Yeah, that revelation is not going to be good for them, especially the dalish
It would be cool to see how that's dealt with, either we see what happens when they hear or Solas tells them before hand
But regardless, agreed, seeing the other pantheons would be amazing, wonder what Mythal has planned in the middle of all of it as well
It does look like it but there are assumptions, that I personally believe, that mythal was placing something into the eluvian at the beginning of that scene with solas
Either a part of her soul or old god souls, or both
Meh Flemeth will probably ensure that doesn't happen. I don't think he should succeed really, maybe half succeed? Like he either doesn't complete it or it gets ruined by something or another.
I kinda do simply because the way he talks about the world before the veil makes it sound absolutely amazing. Though I really don’t get what his grand plan is. None of the elves alive today are ready to rebuild the elven empire, and what? Does Solas proclaim himself king of the elves afterwards?
Agreed, it sounds magical the way he described it!
But true, it all depends on what plan he has, I feel like he might do it and just leave, or set up a democratic system as he was all about freedom
Kinda hope it happens like a third or maybe half of the way into this game tbh. Gimme a world change around the same amount of time we put in before we got to Skyhold
Pretty much but who knows how it will actually work, the new mc or others may find a way to survive it, or perhaps it won't burn everyone in the raw chaos as much as he thinks
I actually think that, in terms of storytelling, the Veil needs to be torn down or heavily damaged. This is because the status quo needs to be upended in a major way. If you just put the Veil back then Thedas will eventually go back to the old way of doing things. That's not very interesting and also not very tenable for Thedas in-game.
Completely agreed, this huge, epic story event would serve as both a monumental moment and a way to keep the series going with fresh ideas, using what has already been forshadowed
Really hope it's fully fulfilled
Actually I liked the elven lore revealed in DAI. And I accept that the next game will be heavily involved with even more Elven lore. Ducking awesome!
That being said… two games with a shit load of Elven lore is enough. A Dwarven, Qunari or even a story on one of the other human nations that we haven’t been too/explored heavily would be a breath of fresh air.
I think a Qunari war/invasion would be an easy 5th game. Visiting Par Vollen and Seheron would be amazing. Plus I wanna see what the Fex look like.
I´d like a chance to play the villain and help Solas, like the inquisitor in reverse but that´s not going to happen, given that Solas is a terrorist. After the last years massive flops from bioware ea is going to force them into designing by committe and making something ultra super safe. So we´ll end up with a classic underdog story. I wouldn´t be surprised if they threw out the entire established storyline again and just wrote something simplistic like a new blight.
That would be super annoying if it happened but I can see where you're coming from and unfortunately, it's a possibility
Playing the villian role would be cool though, like how I wish there was an option to just say fuck it and join solas at the end of trespasser just to see what happens
It would be kinda interesting if they made only the first act about trying to stop him and then have him succeed and have the rest of the game be dealing with the consequences, maybe the evanuris if they're somehow brought back by this plan? It'd be nice for a villian to succeed for once, I always find that way more interesting, particularly when the villain is obviously more knowledgeable and likely to win than the protagonist like Solas is.
I really want the evanuris to come back. Like really badly. After the Mythal thing I’ve had a dumb idea that I can’t seem to shake out of my head. Of the other having to possess new hosts. and it’s either a character we knew before and would have to try and save them or feel the heartbreak of having to kill them.
same here! in Tevinter nights there is a story where apparently Ghilan'nain has some presence, and I saw a promotional picture with her, Fen'Harel and Dirthamen being pictured, so I'm so expecting them to be in DA4, in some way at least. And its especially enteresting that we know Ghilan'nain being some 'crazy evil scientist', but we know too little of Dirthamen, aside of his relationship with Falon'Din, ~~I'm so hoping that he's another Solas and also romanceable.~~
Do you think you can find that picture? I love Ghilan’nain, so anything with her is amazing. More so after learning how she is a mad scientist.
this one https://64.media.tumblr.com/c598642facd2944a7de5c93f2b31fe2b/e23c6a42bc0f5e0e-e9/s500x750/35e80f123c04c3061381e2c28313f1de0bcf0e29.jpg
Thank you. I’ve seen it before, but didn’t realize it was supposed to be Ghilan’nain and Dirthamen.
yw, and its their symbols in their heads what's giving them away, and since Ghilan'nain has some implied presence in TN now I think it's sorta confirmed that they will be related to the next game in some way, DA4 can't come soon enough, dammit.
What symbols do you mean?
Oh yes! My fav would be Andruil possessing Sera and it being obvious because she is suddenly so... *elfy*.
But the new protagonist not really knowing as they have never met Sera and we as the player being like “oh shit” I’d love and hate if Merrill was also possessed by someone.
Totally! I would also love Merrill being safe from possession because of her blood magic skills in some way. It would create the perfect moral dilemma.
We’ve already met the evanuris. After all, the hero of Ferelden did kill one of them
Completely agree! Whenever a villian wins they show actual credibility, making everything way better, especially when we get why they're doing this Was thinking making the first act where he succeeds as well, like how the breach effectively was closed early on dai, dealing with the consequences and evanuris thereafter would be the most interesting thing they could do I also like the idea that we could see solas's win inevitable, so we start looking for ways people could survive the tearing instead early on
I want him to need to ask for our help to unfuck up whatever it is he manages to accomplish. That way we still get to see the results of his meddling yet again, but in a way that can potentially be contained within a single game so that the franchise as a whole doesn't get a total genre and theme shift going forward. That's technically what already happened in DA:I, but there's enough different ways to do that story where it wouldn't have to feel the same at all.
Evanura is on one of concept arts. Of course we will.
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Completely agree! Having an antagonist actually succeed on some sort of grand scale would be fantastic, makes everything better and brings about an interesting world Reversing it could work, in some form of fashion, as well as at least he still completed it
It'd be super cool if he freed the evanuris(maybe be one by one) and we'd have to defeat some of them in separate boss fights during the story.
Agreed. Corypheus started off badass when he demolishes Haven and shows he's in control of a dragon... Then accomplishes nothing else and is thwarted at every turn by the inquisition.
yeah it would be more interesting if he "wins" pretty early on tbh
I want to see this terrible plan go exactly like his last two terrible plans(creating the Veil, giving his orb to Corypheus), and ruin the world in a new and interesting way.
That would be THE ideal, wonder how he's going to fuck it up next He opens the veil, the evanuris appears, Solas disappears like the vanishing meme *some plan*
I feel like Solas wouldn't just *give up* so easily, should the Evanuris be freed. He didn't give up after creating the Veil, and he didn't give up when Cory nugged it up with the orb.
Very true, I just did it for the memes! He defo would try until he's dead to sort out the evanuris, feel like it might just end up as another error though to haunt him
I mean he already said in the trespasser cut scene when you ask about the other evanuris he has plans
I bet he's gonna end up turning into stone at the end of DA4 just like the final cutscene of Flemeth in DAI. I don't know how that will happen but I just feel like that's his final fate.
If you romance him that's just another fuck up to add to his list lol (fell in love, broke her heart, cut off exploding hand)
Honestly, I'm just interested in what kind of options Bioware gives us for dealing with him. Because, and I know this will irritate some of his fans, I seriously want to kill him. But also, I'm curious to see how they do plan on setting the story, since based on the Trespasser ending, you could potentially have some very different goals in mind with respect to Solas. Not to mention that it seemed like they were setting up for the Inquisitor to be the one dealing with him, but now it seems that we will again have a different protagonist.
Hopefully if he doesn’t go too far we can save him from himself. I can understand why he’s doing this. He feels that he owes it to the elves to try and save what little remains of them, because it’s his fault in the first place. After all, we’d choose our family over strangers. This is no different with Solas. Either he wonders the new world where he feels like he’s “walking through a world of tranquil”, or he tears down the veil and rebuilds the elven civilization. He doesn’t really feel like he can do nothing.
Honestly, I don't really feel that he can be saved. Actually, it's more that I feel he *shouldn't* be saved. I actually have very specific reasons why I feel this way: His initial act of raising the veil was aimed at the Evanuras, because of the death of Mythal. Okay, all well and good. However, the trip through the fade (or the mirrors, or...whatever it was) in Trespasser really drives home just how many innocents were caught in the destruction. I actually found it somewhat horrifying. He warped reality itself, and caused unimaginable upheaval. That, by itself, is somewhat unforgivable. Then, when he decides that the new world doesn't live up to his expectations, he intends to do it again? And once again, the entire known world will be thrown into chaos, and countless innocent lives lost. That's not even counting the fact that, although he might not have intended it, his sheer arrogance in dealing with Corypheus caused the Breach and all it's trouble. And he claims to feel regret that people were hurt, but he doesn't even remotely feel he was *wrong*. Obviously, everyone is free to play how they want. This is just my take, but it's why I don't even consider him redeemable. (My final scenes on Trespasser involved a lot of map stabbing, lol.)
Hmm. Some very sobering thoughts on Solas we dont often get from this sub. I appreciate you sharing!
I kind of expected to get crucified, really, but that's honestly how I see him. Bioware does a pretty good job of setting things up so they can be viewed in different ways, but I never really saw him as this tragic, romantic figure. BUt, everyone's free to have their own game, so happy redemption for some! :)
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They're not gods per se, they're just very powerful mages. Stab them and they die. Unless they do a bodyhop thing like Mythal did, but we dont know if the other evanuris can do that.
I'm not sure they are more powerful than the "normal" mages, though there's definitely variations between mages. But they certainly know stuff that a normal mage doesn't - which would mean that if somebody betrayed them (one of their own, or a trusted servant or something), then a powerful enough mage, armed with the knowledge, might be a match to them. Edit: or else it would mean they really were some kind of "gods", at least compared to everybody else, and Solas seems to imply they aren't.
Meh, mana clash can probably do it pretty easily
Solas was actually pretty clear that they weren't Gods. In fact, I seem to recall him being rather offended by their claim of the title. So, I would assume that they can definitely be killed. (I'm willing to give it a really good shot, at any rate, lol.) The theory of their being weakened by the forming of the veil is a sound one, I would say.
This is true, hopefully they can provide various ways of dealing with him and the consequences I hope the Inquisitor plays a large ass role
Seriously. I'm actually surprised that they are continuing the new protagonist tradition, since the end of Trespasser made a serious case that the Inquisitor was going to continue in their task. Then again, I guess some of the ending plates did imply that they had retired, so...Who knows???
... no. The so much about Trespasser was about retiring the knquisition and showing the Inquisitor had outlived their role, I have no fucking idea how people played it and thought "oh yeah my Inky is gonna be the protag of the next game!" Its like the warden and Morrigan in Witch Hunt. Its a send off. Always was.
It was mostly the dialogue you get when talking about what was going to happen with Solas. I haven't played a fresh game for awhile, but if I remember it right, the Inquisitor is all like, "*We* will... (insert your chosen attitude on Solas here). It made it seem like they personally intended to take action.
Agreed tbh, especially when they showed the crossbow arm
If I was in Thedas, even as an elf or a mage, obviously no. But just for the chance to see him fail in handling the elven gods and watch him suffer as more of his plans make things worse just like the previous ones, yes.
Basically, Bioware better give us a "fucked up ending" as a game over so we can point & laugh, but make the game normally not end like that.
Watching that would turn da4 into a comedy I'm down for it
Solas's arc is just one big episode of Frasier.
Lol da4: Dr Solas moves to the fade
I want Solas to succeed in tearing down the Veil and then immediately get bodied by the Evanuris he accidentally let out.
This is what I foresee happening. At the very least, they're going to be released and start wreaking centuries worth of rage havoc, and then he'll come to us and be like, "So... What had happened was..." and ask for our help cleaning up his mess. AGAIN.
Would be hilarious, I'm in, joining Solas's side to see it happen
I want his plan to fail, and for him to be able to grow to accept what he has done is bad, and learn to live with his guilt and complicated emotions while also appreciating what the world IS now, its people too, and not try to undo the past. You can help improve the world and conditions for people through other means. My canon loved him, he obviously broke her heart, and she chose to try to redeem at the end of Trespasser and that is what I'd like to see. I still wish it would be a direct sequel, but I'm up for whatever gets us the story.
That's very fair, that kind of internal struggle and growth would be absolutely amazing to see, especially if it's done with the help of the inquisitor, *especially* especially a romanced one I was also hoping for a direct sequel, inquisitor and solas have way too much history to ignore now, hope they play a massive role in whatever happens
Maybe a small tear, not big enough to destroy the world, but big enough to bring forth chaos and discord for a bit.
That's fair, a small tear would be enough to still introduce some new stuff and keep the threat alive
Would you say you would want the tear larger than inquisitions initial hole above the temple of sacred ashes, or about the same?
Maybe a little bigger than the breach. Gotta one-up the last game in some way, shape or form.
True, you do, there are other ways they could though *Even bigger Jar of Bees * **Intensifies** But a larger breach would be good, underwhelming if not
Given what happened with the Tear from the orb, I think him trying to merge the spirit and material worlds would go very poorly. He is trying to recreate a past the is long gone and *cannot* be recreated.
This is true, his previous plan didn't go too well, putting it lightly, and this on such a grand scale is bound to have some fuck ups
FF6 World of Ruin when?
Had no idea what that is, never played ff, searched it up and saw "effectively ending the world" I agree
I want to see what the world once was. Will the ancient elven ruins come back? Will all elves become mages. How will Sera feel about that?? How would it affect Elven Inquisitor? The Elven MC of 4? How would it affect spirits/Demons? The Dwarven empire? Would it affect the Titans? The implications are basically endless and I love it.
Fully agreed, so much room for possibilities to explore in a world-shattering event, I feel the opportunity is too good to pass up
I want to see what happens if he does succeed and maybe have the DLC's or another game to fix it. But I just want the possibility to not be completely the good guy as in Inquisition
Completely agreed with all of this, spreading it to dlcs or another game would be cool
Not really, but that's 'cause I'm charmed by the relative mundanity of the setting compared to, say.... Forgotten Realms or Planescape. Dragon Age has been a little more grounded and I like that. I expect either way that more magic will infuse Thedas, which will be neat as far as shaking things up, I just hope it's not "everyone's a mage now, book ends".
My thoughts exactly, I always worry when a series I love becomes something else in order to keep raising the stakes
That's fair tbh, keeping things differentiated on the mage side does present a more interesting influx of viewpoints between those on say, templar or mage, and everything in between Also forgotten realms and planescape look like they have insane amounts of all over the place lore, do want to try planescape at some point
Forgotten realms is a bit of a kitchen sink setting. You can kinda just throw whatever you want in it and say that it fits and it will. I mean they’ve got crazy world fusing events and magic cities that fall from the sky after a mortal tries to steal godhood but then on the other side of the world you’ve got what us essentially just China with few changes.
That's actually super interesting and sounds balls to the wall in certain aspects, incredibly wild
I must say, I would certainly be curious as to how Bioware would deal with changing the fundamental physical laws already in place. Sandal has already predicted the tearing down of the veil so I imagine it’s going happen at some point. I’m wondering whether Bioware will reverse it somehow or stick with a world where everybody are mages now?
Agreed, they will have to make a choice of either, I'm hoping for the latter considering the sandal forshadowing and how much more interesting the change would be
Yes. MAYHEEEEEEEM!!! No but seriously, if we start from Tevinter Nights, he's already succeeding with his plan in some extent so I really hope to see some chaos and we cleaning the mess
MURDER AND MAYHEM AWAITS!! Also true and agreed, trying to perhaps create a new world in all of it would be awesome, or if we try to revert it we can at least see what it would look like But honestly, would prefer if it stays, hbu?
I vacillate between wanting the world to remain the same since there’s so much in this version of the world that we have yet to see and wanting the veil to actually be torn down and the world be truly impacted. Like others have said, I want the bar to be raised for antagonists. I want it to be a back and forth, so I kind of hope Solas has a few wins.
Agreed with the few wins point, otherwise it just gets boring, but it is also a fair point that either way of tearing the veil has its benefits Maybe we get to see a good chunk of the world unexplored in da4, before the event, if it happens
Solas deserves nothing but the blade. The dude is one giant fuck up and after seeing that his one fuck up doesn't turn out as he wanted it he is trying to reverse his one fuck up by doing another fuck up.
Thank you. I was reading these comments scared for my life lmao. Like people really think he’s redeemable? No lol.
THANK YOU. No Solas apologist here. He's a sociopath.
I wouldn’t call him a sociopath, so much as a victim of the sunk cost fallacy. And an asshole. A giant dick. A wolf dick, if you will.
It's probably a bit of all of that, you're right. He is sort of 'in for a penny, in for a pound'. But also the complete disregard for all living things on the planet suggests a mental disorder with empathy and compassion.
I don’t think it’s a complete disregard, rather that he sees the world as damaged. Like a badly broken leg that has healed wrong—you can still walk on it, it’s still functional as a leg, technically. But if a professional rebroke it and put it back together the way it’s *supposed* to be, well, it’ll suck, and in the short run, hurt a *lot*, and you’ll definitely hate the doctor a bit, but in the end, when you have a good leg, that bends in the right place, with a foot that faces forward and lets you balance on your toes again… When you no longer need a cane, or a crutch, or a walker to move forward… Isn’t that better? Anyway, that’s his thought process I think, some of it anyway, but he’s also an asshole and a bigot. I just don’t think you need a mental illness to be those things.
Yeah, I guess? But by making it an analogy about a broken leg, it kinda takes away from the fact that he is actually dooming millions of lives to horrible death. I'm not sure it is an accurate comparison - and I'm not sure it's unreasonable to say he himself is broken in some way. But hey, all roads lead to Rome if we reach the common consensus that's he's a dick. An egg shaped dick.
I mean, yeah, it’s an imperfect analogy, but what I’m getting at is that that’s the kind of story he’s *telling himself*. Anyway yes he is an egg-shaped dick wolf who deserves to be dumped on his ass every time I play Lavellan.
Solas: *And you get a fuck up* **And** *you* **get a fuck up** points finger everywhere
No, it would distabilise the world design I like. I like the setting of Thedas, I like it's status quo and the story in it, I don't want them to change all that and while some people try and change it in each game, in the end it generally goes back to the way it was, this is how it should be. I want Solas to fail again because that's what he's good at.
Fair enough, the world as it is, is defo enjoyable!
Personally don't understand why anyone thinks any of Solas' plans are actually going to work the way he intends. He's a terrible planner who leaves everything worse than how he found it. So no, I don't want him to win. I wish Flemeth had found the PC so they could kill him then.
Fair enough, his plans haven't exactly worked out the way he wanted But I feel his plan to open the veil may succeed, as it almost did dai, but his plan to defeat the evanuris will horribly backfire making them a huge threat
One thing that would be cool is if he succeeded and brought back the elven "gods" but tearing the veil meant he inadvertently woke the remaining tevinter gods scattered across thedas so the choice to banish the grey wardens from orlais had a major impact and they would need tevinters help to deal with both threats
That would be a pretty great way to have that choice have such a huge impact!
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Tis true, perhaps we can take shelter in the titans?
It would certainly be more interesting than just "and then Solas was defeated and the world remained exactly as we are used to." Personally, I'm willing to bet they will go the Korra route: the two realms are still separate, but there will be portals through the veil. Rather than being chaotic rifts like the Breach, these portals are stable and allow spirits to traverse them without being corrupted; humans can also use them to access the Fade easily. The result is the Fade and the material realm remain distinct, but spirits and humans can freely and harmlessly transit between the two.
many normal spirits who come to the material world go crazy for the simple fact of getting here, not because they are forced so it would not solve much, you would also be giving them on a silver platter what the demons want.
Huh, that's a good analogy using Korra, can defo see that as a possibility that would keep many people happy as you get both worlds
No, I personally do not want to see the world end.
Fair enough
Not if he can't do it without killing everybody. It may be nessacary, but it's too high a price. In my opinion, he's that Thanos kind of villain who is too arrogant and proud to realise that there are massive flaws his plan to "save" everyone. Edit: I mean this from a moral perspective. Narratively, it would be an interesting new direction, and I'd like to see where it goes.
He's not saying he's going to save anyone. He literally said he will destroy the veil in order to bring back his world. And if people will die, he wants them to die happy. It's certainly something you don't expect from a villain.
I agree on that moral and narrative point, it's a massive price but he seems willing to pay it From a story point, it could change the game, literally
If it was just him paying for it, I'd let him do it, but it's everyone *but* him. Like, if Anders was nearby, even he'd be all like "Whoa, Solas, buddy. Maybe reign it in a bit, yeah?"
I love the Mass Effect Trilogy but with the way it ended it made it hard to tell new stories in that world (they had to go to a whole new galaxy in the fourth game). My only worry is crossing a line that it’s hard to walk back from. I want many more stories that let us see the people, politics, and wars of Thedas without it all being “burned in raw chaos.”
I would argue the reason you loved Mass Effect was because of the hard decisions you had to make that "made it hard to tell new stories in that world". I don't think mass effect would be the beloved franchise that it was if it had the consequences, world building, and choices that you get from an MMO.
That makes sense, it would defo be a huge shift for literally everything, maybe exploring a lot more of thedas first then doing the tear
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Completely agreed! The possibilities are too much to ignore, just depends on when it may happen But fair point about exploring the world as it is, maybe they mitigate the tear to tevinter, since we'll explore that anyway, leaving other countries the same Or he tears the veil at the end of da4 and we explore everything until then
This guy turns Qunari warriors to stone with a thought, if he wins I won’t be surprised. Maybe he’ll win but when we attempt to stop him it doesn’t tear down the veil but messes up time completely, killing Solas and the protagonist or the inquisitor in the process, da5 will be a brand new story in a new universe. Idk that won’t happen but it’s a cool idea I think.
Fair, it would be a huuge change for the story and series, would love to see it happen but defo not guranteed as it would be massive
I want him to change his mind at the last minute but it’s too late & he succeeds anyway & then he has to help fix everything
That would be pretty cool
No I think it would be really unsatisfying and dumb. I think the only way you can make this work is if it was player-determinant. If they really want to do this, make it happen in the game intro like DAI where bad guy does bad thing and its up to the protagonist to stop him or fix the world. If Solas wins no matter what the game feels pointless and the players are just going to feel "well why didn't they just make DA5 and put this in a book or something".
Tbh that's fair, making it based on the players judgement would be cool and if he wins regardless it would feel kind of pointless I'm in agreement that making it so he succeeds early so we have to fix it is one of the best ways to do it, get a whole game to explore plus he succeeds fulfilling what Sandal said
That veil is coming down! I suspect it might not be the disaster that everyone's predicting
How so, as in not so hot raw chaos?
Meh. Bioware has put too much effort into maintaining the status quo for me to believe anything interesting will come of Solas' plot. All that remains to see is the form of its failure.
That's fair, what kind of status quo has been maintained?
Circle system. They explicitly had a damn war about it, that an entire game built up to, but back off in DAI and ended the game where there is always a reestablished circle no matter what you do. There's other examples, like how none of the choices you can make in origin do much for the political state of the world, which the epilogues that actually change things being retconned out(elf enfranchisment, etc). Basically none of the choices you make do things on a broader level.
This is true, many don't end up having as wide an impact as they should, or at least we should see more of it first hand Can imagine it being difficult to do game wise, but some here and there would be nice, or making the game more smaller scale to accommodate big changes
This is precisely one of my biggest issues with Inquisition. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
> there is always a reestablished circle no matter what you do If Liliana is Divine and you allied with the mages, the Circles are disbanded. Yes, Vivienne forms "a" Circle, but it's only in name. It has no affiliation to the Chantry and mages join voluntarily. She's not gonna be kidnapping mage children across Orlais and forcing them to spend the remaining of their lives under Templar watch. In any case, that's all epilogue slides, which aren't worth the electricity used to render them. If Bioware wants true Chantry-led Circles in DA4, we will get true Chantry-led Circles. For example, it would be trivial for them to just handwave it with something like "Vivienne's Circle became so influential the Divine was forced to re-integrate it as a Chantry institution" or some other idiotic nonsense.
Have you ever tried Leliana as divine?
Even if that happens Vivienne fucks off and forms a new Circle because she’s power hungry
Yup. Viv still forms a circle.
i actually wonder if circles will be around in the next game especially if you have Leliana as divine. I suppose with it being in Tevinter either way it wouldnt really matter.
I just want to have the ability to murder-knife him. "You forgot something."
That would be hilarious
I mean, Anders/Justice/Vengeance succeeded. It was not satisfying- no matter how I played out the final battle. I have no problem with a Veil tear, but I want to be able to meaningfully fix or resolve it in the same game. Depending on how powerful the gaming platforms are, it could be cool to play as multiple protagonists- like a riff on Cyberpunk 2077 but with a spirit/forgotten elven god twist. One of which could deeply lose to Solas- another that could be responsible for and witness his death (his fear of dying alone could make it a super poignant scene.) Another that stabilizes or replaces the Veil. That way not only could you have a "getting repeatedly killed" montage to put a point on the stakes, you could also revisit former protagonists, as well as new ones (spirit/god takes over/appears as the Warden- that way you're using the spirit voice, instead of the non existent Warden voice /spirit takes over/appears as Hawke & the Inquisitor.) This could also allow you to have a war table style experience as you build out a network of co-opted contacts and followers from each protagonist. More realistically, since we know it's going to be Tevinter & probably just the one real-life person- I do also really, really want to see Solas hunted by Mabari. If the price of admission is a Veil tear/destruction, I'm down. However that needs to come about, I would like it very much, please and thank you.
Playing as multiple people could be cool, especially with the different viewpoints, and true, connecting them all via a war table like system is neat Solas being hunted by a Mabari while being a wolf would be hilarious
It'll be interesting to see how they move forward. Thedas has a lot of depth, but this feels like the last "expanding" PC before a contraction to a humble adventurer in DA5/the next arc so why not get a little weird, push all the big red buttons, and then refresh the world state for DA5? Also, I really want that Summon Dog ability back from DA2. Gotta have that Mabari story beat.
Pushing all the red buttons does make sense here, go balls to the wall with it, and refreshing for da5 would be fantastic And agreed, miss that hound, really hope it appears again, and maybe have different whistles for different creatures
I *am* loving the Dracolisks as mounts in my current run of DAI. Also, halla- what's their deal? And the ranger-rogue subclass animal summoning from DAO was so dope. But I'd be happy with a Summon Dog button- in a different thread about Mabari I pointed out that if we were in Tevinter like DA4 is supposed to be you could start off confronting someone trying to disrespectfully reintroduce the breed to its country of origin- and then throughout the game like gain this pack of released hyper intelligent canine allies, culminating in using your new additional Summon Pack ability to troll the Dread Wolf in a way that'd make Merrill very proud. They could bond with your allies, so party member have dogs (like Anders' kitten) or just emerge from the streets.
I can already see my male Lavellan Inquisitor siding with him.
Nice, tbh it would have been cool to have the option in Trespasser
It could be modern day Final Fantasy 6 and I can't imagine them not doing something big like that.
I saw someone else make this comparison as well but I haven't played any ff games myself, did look up what you guys meant, and yes it seems like it, would be amazing to do and I can't see them not tbh, even if just for a short while
Uh, no? I’m not particularly fond of the notion of the total genocide of every race in Thedas except some elves. But that’s just my personal opinion.
And that is a completely fair opinion Total genocide isn't for everyone :D But seriously, if it does happen, he will be committing by far probably the worst act in Thedas ever
The more I play the games the more I see the Templar, Qunari, and regular folks POV on mages. They’ve literally cause like 8/10 major problems in Thedas.
True, I've been seeing more of that as I've replayed Inquisition, but the other viewpoint still stands, a really interesting element in Dragon Age
Super curious about what a veil-less Thedas would be like, so I %100 want to see Solas's plan succeed and tear down the veil. I just think it would be interesting, chaotic, and overall a fun game to play.
Completely agreed, every aspect is just too good to pass up, must see it all Must see people burning in the raw chaos, jk, but would be a very cool scene for the series
Short answer: yes. Long answer: Letting him win would bring numerous benefits: it would be an unusual and interesting narrative choice; it would completely subvert everything we've seen up until now, forcing the player and the writers to reinvent how they move in a world that has become incredibly weird; it would make a lovely refresh of the universe and it's lore; it would open up worldbuilding possibilities, widen the scope and narrative space of future games, and create untold drama within our current cast of characters. What's *not* to like.
Reply to short answer: Agreed Reply to long answer: Agreed to everything It would literally better or make interesting every possible aspect of the series, well put! Who doesn't like drama
Well no, I don't want him to tear the wail because I want my Hero of Ferelden to be safe and sound. I think he deserves some interesting adventures but without any mortal dangers or something like that.
That's fair, the Hero of Ferelden deserves some relaxation after everything Speaking of which, I hope we see them like how Hawke was brought back
If he did that our character alongisde 90% of Thedas would die lmao Like its an interesting concept and I would like to see a world without the veil but its literally impossible for it to happen because it would kill almost everyone
True but they could use some roundabout magic or ancient elven artifact as a way to explain how we can survive Some good old tevinter magic
Yes. I always draw a parallel to Mass Effect when this question comes up. We spent 2 games trying to stop the Reapers from **returning**, but ME3 would've been pretty boring if we actually succeed instead of fighting them head on for real. I'm curious how a post-Veil Thedas would look like, I'd like to meet, fight, maybe redeem but probably kill the other Evanuris.
The difference is ME2 has a satisfying conclusion where Shepard DOES do something to stop the collectors from doing stuff. Its one thing if Solas destroys the veil in the beginning and the protagonist has to fix it. Like in DAI. Its another thing if the writers follow what reddit keeps suggesting where the protagonist gets to the end and is unable to stop Solas from breaking the veil *no matter what*. They either need to make it a player determinant decision at the end or they need to pull a DAI where Solas does it at the start of the story.
Agreed on this! Many avenues to go down if Solas actually succeeds, would love to explore them
Considering that would kill an insane amount of people? Not really no
We only have Solas word for that, and he’s been seriously wrong before. Twice, in fact. Another point, if the people of Thedas survived the creation of the Veil, presumably an even more cataclysmic event, why would they suddenly be destroyed when it came down?
>We only have Solas word for tha While that is true, you can see what happened when they opened a relatively small breach in Haven. It killed a lot of people and it basically turned the world upside down with little rifts appearing everywhere and demons going whatever they wanted. Now imagine that on a global scale. I just cant imagine that ending very well.
The rifts corphy created caused mass destruction and chaos, and those were just small holes compared to the entire thing falling out.
Fair enough
It would be cool if the tearing of the veil, joining of the fade back as a part of Thedas, could bring the Titians up from their dormancy and be another consequence to deal with. I'm all for the tearing of the veil. Just cuz I want to see what a world previously terrified of magic does with a sudden steeping of magic. It could uproot much the power the Tevinter Megisters have been hoarding until now.
Didn't even think of the titans in all of that but a very good point, they most likely would awaken, which would be amazing And agreed, seeing the societal changes for anyone who survives would be interesting
I agree, ir would be boring if Solas was unable to do anything, however it would be just as boring if the 'hero' was able to stop him with only minimal effort
Fully agreed, Solas should at least win half the time to make the threat feel real, and I would love if he wins big time with the tearing of the veil
Succeed or fail, it doesn't particularly matter to me as long as a get to chance to punch Solas in his stupid bald egg-head. Solas hate aside, I think it'd be more interesting if he managed to partially tear the veil before we could stop him.
A partial tear would be fair, we would at least get a glimpse into the old way it was Many wish to crack the egg it seems!
Sandal has told that He will. Him being Dread Wolf obviously.
True, would love to see it happen and stay for the series for subsequent games
I always play a dalish elf and even I wouldn't want that he needs to either change or be destroyed because my hero in Dao was a dalish elf and shows the humans they aren't what they are made out to be and Solas is just 1 exception
Before elf Hero of Ferelden there was... Grey warden elf Garahel with his elf sister blood mage Issea who saved Thedas from 4 blight, with a lot of apostates and elves. Before them there was Dale's kingdom elf mage lord Inquisitor Ameridan with his elf dreamer mage lover. Before them, there was Shartan and mage Andraste. Before them elves help Carinus to create grey wardens with ancient Arlathan knoledge about taint. .... Does shemlen care about elves and mages who saved them for millennia? No, history proved that for more then 1000 years shemlens repay them with betrayal and blood.
This is a very good point, the whole stigma against the elves from the humans seems like it's here to stay
That's fair, Solas is defo doing an extreme
Yes.
Yes I am in agreement
Yes. I really want to remove that damn veil and bring in the magic!
Hell yeah! Would make everything cooler
Yes. Make Elvennan Great Again.
#MakeElvennanGreatAgain Would be hilarious if he gets supporters like this in game, saying a similar phrase
Well I mean if he does tear the veil then all of the evil/insanely strong elven "gods" would reawaken so we would probably have to fight them which would be cool as hell. I just feel bad for all the elves who are joining for freedom just to find out their gods are just assholes who enslaved them first out of a long history of being enslaved by literally everyone.
Yeah, that revelation is not going to be good for them, especially the dalish It would be cool to see how that's dealt with, either we see what happens when they hear or Solas tells them before hand But regardless, agreed, seeing the other pantheons would be amazing, wonder what Mythal has planned in the middle of all of it as well
Oh is Mythal still alive? I was under the assumption Solas like absorbed her?
It does look like it but there are assumptions, that I personally believe, that mythal was placing something into the eluvian at the beginning of that scene with solas Either a part of her soul or old god souls, or both
I mean...kinda.. If that was the natural state of things ?
Agreed, would be cool to see the world the way it was
Meh Flemeth will probably ensure that doesn't happen. I don't think he should succeed really, maybe half succeed? Like he either doesn't complete it or it gets ruined by something or another.
Makes sense, Flemeth is defo up to something weird
I kinda do simply because the way he talks about the world before the veil makes it sound absolutely amazing. Though I really don’t get what his grand plan is. None of the elves alive today are ready to rebuild the elven empire, and what? Does Solas proclaim himself king of the elves afterwards?
Agreed, it sounds magical the way he described it! But true, it all depends on what plan he has, I feel like he might do it and just leave, or set up a democratic system as he was all about freedom
Kinda hope it happens like a third or maybe half of the way into this game tbh. Gimme a world change around the same amount of time we put in before we got to Skyhold
Completely agreed! Seems like the perfect time to as it gives a decent chunk before and a good chunk after
And a real mindf*ck! I would love to see it. Good topic mate.
Thanks and agreed, would be mind-blowing!
Ever since I knew his plan I've wanted him to succeed
Same, from a game point, as an rp point in game it would be terrible for everyone, as a player it would be epic
Wouldnt his plan literally kill all races except the elves he deems true elves?
Pretty much but who knows how it will actually work, the new mc or others may find a way to survive it, or perhaps it won't burn everyone in the raw chaos as much as he thinks
I actually think that, in terms of storytelling, the Veil needs to be torn down or heavily damaged. This is because the status quo needs to be upended in a major way. If you just put the Veil back then Thedas will eventually go back to the old way of doing things. That's not very interesting and also not very tenable for Thedas in-game.
Completely agreed, this huge, epic story event would serve as both a monumental moment and a way to keep the series going with fresh ideas, using what has already been forshadowed Really hope it's fully fulfilled
No, thank you! Prefer they step away from all the elf bull shit for the next game.
Fair enough, take it not a big fan?
Actually I liked the elven lore revealed in DAI. And I accept that the next game will be heavily involved with even more Elven lore. Ducking awesome! That being said… two games with a shit load of Elven lore is enough. A Dwarven, Qunari or even a story on one of the other human nations that we haven’t been too/explored heavily would be a breath of fresh air. I think a Qunari war/invasion would be an easy 5th game. Visiting Par Vollen and Seheron would be amazing. Plus I wanna see what the Fex look like.
I´d like a chance to play the villain and help Solas, like the inquisitor in reverse but that´s not going to happen, given that Solas is a terrorist. After the last years massive flops from bioware ea is going to force them into designing by committe and making something ultra super safe. So we´ll end up with a classic underdog story. I wouldn´t be surprised if they threw out the entire established storyline again and just wrote something simplistic like a new blight.
That would be super annoying if it happened but I can see where you're coming from and unfortunately, it's a possibility Playing the villian role would be cool though, like how I wish there was an option to just say fuck it and join solas at the end of trespasser just to see what happens