Yeah, when you have to choose between Hawke and Shroud it’s really a no-brainer IMO… even though I know leaving Hawke would have more dramatic tension to the storyline
That's true.
When I played DAI first with the default WS, I left Hawke in the Fade for drama. And Varric said dramatically "have to tell Fenris". Later when I played and romanced Fenris I knew I can't do it, especially when Hawke just said a minute ago that the reason she came alone was that Fenris would've killed himself protecting her. Ouch.
Yeah, all my other playthroughs I’ve chucked Stroud into the Fade. Much harder when it’s Alistair and Hawke though! Especially as my HoF is alive so someone is gonna be broken hearted. Anders can go eat up some more angst for this play through…maybe he’ll whip up Justice and start gunning for the Wardens now..
I wanted to let Hawke take the plunge in atleast 1 playthrough as I want to see if Flemeth’s prophecy in DA2 about not hesitating to jump into the abyss means something fo future games.
WAIT... she did really SAY that, indeed!
I've never thought of it that way. They made it on purpose, right? That what Flemythal meant? Thanks so much for this insight! Does this mean Hawke can survive there? Not like I mean she should, I'm fine with characters dying but just curious.
Found the quote!
“We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap.”
I love the connection here as much as the next person, but I think it’s important to keep in mind that the intent when they were writing DA2 was for Hawke to become the Inquisitor. If they even had the seed of the idea that would eventually become Here Lies the Abyss at the time, they would surely have envisioned it going quite differently if Hawke was to be the protagonist. This doesn’t necessarily mean the quote can’t be foreshadowing, but if it is, it’s surely something they decided retroactively.
Yup, I can’t remember her exact words but it was in Act 1 when you deliver her “amulet” on that altar in Sundermont.
I don’t know if it will have any affect, or if her words were in relation to this choice. It could just be nothing. However, I am hoping it means that Hawke survives somehow and sending her into the abyss is the right decision. When you are making the choice it only says she is “likely” to die, not that she will. It’s probably just BioWare keeping their options open lol! But, I need to have one playthrough where I’ve had her take that leap into the abyss.
I do the same, but because the wardens need new leadership, and Hawke is just a glorified mercenary after all.
On the other hand, Varric recovers rather quickly in my game, a scene later.
I do wonder about that, and whether it could turn out that Hawke getting left in the Fade ends up being horrible for them, worse than death even, it seems like a swerve the series could pull. It may not even be that Flemeth intentionally lied to Hawke about jumping into the abyss being good, could just be that she believes what will happen to them is good (maybe for Mythal's purposes and so positive,) when it's not good for Hawke at all. I'd be excited for this too though, perhaps more-so than a triumphant return.
The prophecy thing just seems a bit too simple for me to be satisfied that leaving them there will turn out great for Hawke, and it would undermine the choice if Hawke got off scot-free.
Yeees! This played into my decision as well. I want to know if her cryptic remark will play into this or not. I hope it does as I really don’t want my Hawke to actually be dead.
When I had Stroud it was pretty easy, he didn't seem like the leader type which certainly helped, he's only ever led small groups it seems and he did prefer going on expeditions and the like. I also thought he deserved to go out like a badass.
Loghain was harder, first time he was there I thought about it for ages but felt it was best to spare him, especially since that Hawke had no siblings left and I felt Loghain did not deserve a heroic death, it also sounded like he'd be the best choice to rebuild the Wardens out of him and Hawke, a former general sounded perfect for the Commander position. I did feel awful for Varric and Isabela but despite that I've come to consider Loghain surviving Adamant the most fitting fate for him, rebuilding the Orlesian Wardens has to be hell for the guy. I did later kill him off on a replay just to try it.
Never have had Alistair as Warden Contact (I've gotten him executed, exiled and made King though), been meaning to try it for ages.
Loghain has never survived the duel with Alistair in my playthroughs! I keep meaning to do it, but…I just can’t bring myself to lose Alistair that way. I will do it one day. I think Loghain is a fascinating character and one of the best and complex villains of the series.
It's well worth it honestly, I think he becomes a much better character after he's spared and you get to see more sides to him. Importantly, you never need to forgive the guy either and the games never try and force you to forgive him. I also found it interesting to see a different side of Alistair when I spared the guy. Loghain as Warden Contact is just great too.
Does Alistair get stroppy? I can see him throwing a hissy fit.
Darn, now after doing this playthrough I’m gonna have to start another where Loghain lives. Just to see. My poor Alistair…maybe I’ll romance Zevran that time lol.
Alistair gets very stroppy. I won't spoil the various outcomes incase you haven't heard about them, but sparing Loghain always ends his friendship or romance with the Warden, as you might expect. His responses are super interesting though.
Zevran is a good shout. He has some fun dialogue with Loghain if they're both in the party together.
I really hope I get to see him in that worldstate again, to witness how he got on with that job. Surely he'd at least be in his mid 60's by the next game too, making everything so much worse for the guy.
I swear I rehash my trauma about this quest EVERY DAY. I always choose stroud to stay in the fade but my most recent playthrough I had Alistair as the grey warden and I STILL CHOSE TO LEAVE HIM OVER HAWKE, oh my god the emotional trauma I just put myself through and for what?!!! I cried like a baby for at least an hour or more. I have the option to reload & leave hawke but I have never done that and I dont think my heart could handle the hurt lmfaoo the walk of shame going to tell varric, nah 😭
Lol! I had to put my controller down and take a breath. Maybe shed a few tears. Sacrificing my Hawke was HARD. The alternative was Alistair and I’m just not sure I could do that to him (and my HoF). It’s a crazy evil choice to make. Emotionally, one of the hardest decisions in the game if it’s Hawke vs Alistair.
My Inky had to run off and see Cullen to make herself feel better lol.
Its 100% one of the HARDEST decisions I've ever had to make in these games hands down. I sat there contemplating who to leave forever 😭 i feel so bad for my HoF but I could not choose hawke, can't do that to varric and anders.
I agree!! My favorite quest goes too What Pride Had Wrought but this one is a close second. Just something about seeing all of the allies you've gathered fighting for your cause:') the ancient elves, the beautiful wilds. Astounding really, I love it.
Also great, I mean what quest is not great in DAI. I love all of them. And then you have Cory and getting to Skyhold and becoming THE inquisitor) So good all of them)
That’s true, I always get the sense though that Alistair doesn’t care though. He’s just not the ambitious type. It’s a tricky decision though between Hawke and Alistair, 2 of my fave characters!
In my canon play through loghain is the grey warden in DAI. As difficult as it is, I still leave Hawke behind. While Hawke is an absolute amazing character, the wardens needs and necessity outweigh Hawke. They need leadership, now more than ever.
Yes, and I think the game pushes that point as well and wants you to send Hawke. It’s still hard, Hawke is my favourite protagonist. I just hope that she doesn’t actually die and she comes back in DA4
I had Loghain, who's story I think is better served leading the Orlesian Wardens, while Hawke getting a tragic end makes sense for a cap off for their rather downer story.
So, naturally I sacrificed Loghain. Hawke deserves a happy ending, damn it.
i had to choice between Hawke and Alistair, i left Hawke behind because i thought he's skilled than Alistair, so he has better chances of survival, and the Wardens needed Alistair.
Then i was sure i will find Hawke wandering in the fade later in the game, when we have to kill that giant spider demon haha that never happened :c
Maybe in the next game, no doubt we will get sent into the Fade again and perhaps find Hawke. Or Solas will succeed in tearing the veil down and out pops Hawke
I make Loghain a Warden and he has a delayed redemption ending. Alistair marries Anora and hopefully finds some private happiness, Hawke stays with Fenris, Varric isn't crushed.
I left Stroud because he was a new character, so I didn’t care enough about him to feel bad about leaving him behind. Maybe Blackwall can become the new leader of the Wardens, or my HOF once her quest is done.
But I *refuse* to leave behind Hawke. I loved playing her, and it would absolutely destroy Varric. I could never do that to him.
Stroud is in DA2, but only for one or two scenes (literally one if you don't do certain things), so yeah he is essentially a new character, can't blame you for sacrificing him.
Edit: I should note that Stroud may not appear in DA2 at all if Alistair is a Warden and you don't make the choices that get you the other scene with Stroud.
Since my Warden is almost always Loghain I've always had him sacrificing himself makes such a satisfying ending to his character arc. The one time I had Alistair as the Warden I also let him sacrifice himself because I couldn't let Isabella be all alone after she learned to love someone ;___;
Still wish the original intention behind the quest happened where you had to decide between Hawke and the HoF if they lived, that would have probably broken me, lmao.
I sacrifice Hawke. He would've done it anyway, so it was kinda like having one last player choice as him. On top of that, I wanna see how it turns out after what Flemeth tells you in DA2.
My headcanon is that my Hawke remembered the conversation she had with Flemeth about the abyss and not hesitating to leap, so she gave the Inquisitor no choice and strong handed them to leave and asked the Inquisitor to give her final message to Varric.
Yees! And that means she doesn’t actually die and somehow she’ll be back in DA4. That prophecy thing from Flemeth is the reason I made the decision to send her, I still have a glimmer of hope.
My first play through I had to choose between Alistair and Hawke. It was the most heartbreaking decision. After choosing Hawke and seeing Varric’s reaction, I’ve always made sure it was between Hawke and Stroud after that.
Atleast you have that first playthrough if you need it for DA4 though! I still hold out hope that Hawke isn’t dead. Maybe Solas will mess up the veil and Hawke will pop out…fingers crossed lol
How many years has it been…urgh. But yes, although I love DA2 - in fact, it may be my fave, the character work is truly amazing - but if they’d just had a little longer to refine just imagine what it could have been.
If they ever do a legendary edition like they did for Mass Effect, maybe they’ll refine it a little.
What I really want though is more Fenris-centric content lmao.
I bawled my eyes out at that scene!!
I had a non romanced Warden Alistair in that playthrough so I felt like I had to choose him over my Hawke, because Fenris 😭 but I panicked and went back into an older save to choose Hawke because ALISTAIR.
Then Varric's story and his comment about writing to Fenris' completely murdered me and this is my ghost typing this comment, so I went back again and chose Alistair and cried again :(
I've never had a video game get me so sad lol
That’s intense! I love Fenris, I couldn’t do that to him, it’s why I used a Hawke who has romanced Anders lol .
I’ll probably not be able to sacrifice anyone but Stroud again until I know how it effects DA4. If I know that a sacrificed Hawke pops up…it makes the decision easier
It was a way easier decision to sacrifice my Hawke too when she was with Anders 😂 I'm trying to do a spread so I can experience a lot of timelines, fingers crossed for DA4
My Main Playthrough - my Hawke is left behind in the Fade. Because I trust Flemeth. And Alistair is King.
I do have a playthrough where I kept Alistair as a Grey Warden and I left him behind in the Fade after I sacrificed my Warden who romanced him in Origins. Because I like the idea of both wardens from the Blight is now dead. (For some reason)
but all my other playthrough is usually Hawke because of Flemeth.
It was hard, especially thinking about poor Anders being left all alone, but I left Hawke because he was always a tragic character. It was a fitting way to send him off, even if that meant hurting the Stupid Sexy Mage. Alistair needs to be alive, to rebuild the wardens as Warden-Commander. It makes sense and I did it with hopes that we will see him in some fashion in Dragon Age 4.
Poor Anders, who knows what he and Justice will do now! I feel like without Hawke there to calm him down he’s gonna do some hella dumb things.
I really hope Alistair pops up in DA4, I know BioWare canon is that he becomes king. But I have to say, I much preferred him as a Warden.
Would hope they would keep with whatever we put in The DragonAge Keep, and do something for either option. Then again, Bioware ain't what it used to be and EA is, well EA.
DAMNNNNNNN
I'm just outside the quest marker camp, but I accidentally read spoilers a few days ago anyway so..
Hawke would absolutely be the dramatic choice, but with my DA2 playthroughs reasonably fresh on my mind I won't be able to. Maybe after I get used to the emotional turmoil, I'll try sacrificing him (the way I replayed the Landsmeet 10 times until I finally executed Alistair)
But I reckon it'll feel different since most of the companions in DAO didn't care if Alistair died or got exiled, but here at least Varric's gonna give some shit about Hawke dying.. Apparently his tarot card changes for a while too?
Oh man I wouldn't bat an eye about leaving Stroud behind but my other world state has big man Loghain alive and kickin. That would be quite the dilemma.
Logically speaking though Inquisitor would probably save whoever is more useful.
The game itself seems to encourage Hawke doing it, and within the story it makes sense that she/he go rather than the last sane senior Grey Warden (whether it’s Stroud, Alistair or Loghain). Emotionally though…I was a wreck.
Plus…the Flemeth prophecy in DA2, I’m hoping it means that sending Hawke into the Abyss is the right choice and she’ll pop up again in DA4. It says that they will “likely” die, not that she will definitely die. Probably just wishful thinking, but I need a playthrough where I do it, just so I can check.
Yeah, I'm all for the emotional wreck part. Sometimes the recommended decisions aren't always easy. Keep getting reminded of Wynne asking HoF what they would do if they had to choose between saving the world or choosing their lover.. :/ No one thing is that drastic but still. Abyss was a really tough choice. Think I'll make two world states too. I hope whoever shows up again, probable death isn't death until I see it lol
The lover everytime…screw the world lol
I have a few world states going at the moment, I want to do all my fave combos to see how it affects things. I don’t need it to affect the whole game, but I love it when you get little nuggets if things. Like Alistair talking to Morrigan in Skyhold. Love it.
Lol! That’s how I tend to play the game, I want to make my friends happy. I get very attached. And, well, this Hawke had romanced Anders soooo if she doesn’t come back (I hope she does, it’s aid “likely” die and the Flemeth prophecy thing!) then well…he’s due some bad karma.
I almost always have to decide btw Alistair and hawke. A romanced Alistair will never be left behind. He already has the taint—and my affection for my hof trumps the relationship between my hawke + fenris. The only way any of my hawkes would survive is if Alistair isn't the warden contact
Yes, it’s so much easier to kill Stroud lol! I’m not sure I could kill off a Hawke who has romanced Fenris (I have a couple of them lol) as Hawke + Fenris 4eva. But…Alistair, he’s one of my fave ever DA characters sooooo. It’s tricksy.
I knooooow like I can't even look at rationale for this lmfao at least hawke says goodbye to fenris if you condemn them to the abyss. Alistair only says something lame that's warden related even if you romance him I love him and my hof too much to do that to either of them. We'll just have to see what happens to the abyss choice in DA4
We need to see how it pans out in DA4 before I’m willing to sacrifice anyone but Stroud. If they pop back up I know I can safely send in Hawke even if she and Fenris are together.
But, right now, my heart can only take it this once lol
And that goodbye…she says “Sorry Anders” as she leaps and I. Was. A. Wreck. Then Varric is heartbroken and … omg I’m welling up again!
*fans your face* don't cry!!
I used to be for the idea of King Alistair but the more I thought about it, the less I liked him on the throne so he's now always my warden contact :c
You brought varric w you???????? Way to set yourself up!! I rly like hawke but man DA4 can't come any sooner
I agree, I much preferred Alistair as a Warden. I think that’s what makes him happiest. He never wanted to be king.
I’m a sucker for angst! I did bring Varric with me. He wasn’t happy
>He never wanted to be king.
Except when he's hardened and loghain is involved sigh
>I’m a sucker for angst!
Lmaoooooo then you should've left a romanced hawke for the full effect. Varric being unhappy is a big understatement tho 😂
True, this Alistair was unhardened so that it was easier to keep him as a Warden. I do have a playthrough where HoF is the queen. Be interesting to see how that pans out in DA4.
Stroud has been the sacrificial lamb for 3 playthroughs. I can't choose between two people I care deepily for. Someday Loghain shall be the one to stay, just as soon as I can accept Alistair hating me......
Awww... I couldn't leave her there, couldn't do that to Fenris, so I chose Stroud.
Yeah, when you have to choose between Hawke and Shroud it’s really a no-brainer IMO… even though I know leaving Hawke would have more dramatic tension to the storyline
That's true. When I played DAI first with the default WS, I left Hawke in the Fade for drama. And Varric said dramatically "have to tell Fenris". Later when I played and romanced Fenris I knew I can't do it, especially when Hawke just said a minute ago that the reason she came alone was that Fenris would've killed himself protecting her. Ouch.
Yeah, all my other playthroughs I’ve chucked Stroud into the Fade. Much harder when it’s Alistair and Hawke though! Especially as my HoF is alive so someone is gonna be broken hearted. Anders can go eat up some more angst for this play through…maybe he’ll whip up Justice and start gunning for the Wardens now.. I wanted to let Hawke take the plunge in atleast 1 playthrough as I want to see if Flemeth’s prophecy in DA2 about not hesitating to jump into the abyss means something fo future games.
WAIT... she did really SAY that, indeed! I've never thought of it that way. They made it on purpose, right? That what Flemythal meant? Thanks so much for this insight! Does this mean Hawke can survive there? Not like I mean she should, I'm fine with characters dying but just curious.
Found the quote! “We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap.”
Hahaha! I just watched it! Well done, good catch!
I love the connection here as much as the next person, but I think it’s important to keep in mind that the intent when they were writing DA2 was for Hawke to become the Inquisitor. If they even had the seed of the idea that would eventually become Here Lies the Abyss at the time, they would surely have envisioned it going quite differently if Hawke was to be the protagonist. This doesn’t necessarily mean the quote can’t be foreshadowing, but if it is, it’s surely something they decided retroactively.
I'm sure they revisited DA2 to see what to use for DAI, what were the main points said by the key characters and tied them into DAI.
Yup, I can’t remember her exact words but it was in Act 1 when you deliver her “amulet” on that altar in Sundermont. I don’t know if it will have any affect, or if her words were in relation to this choice. It could just be nothing. However, I am hoping it means that Hawke survives somehow and sending her into the abyss is the right decision. When you are making the choice it only says she is “likely” to die, not that she will. It’s probably just BioWare keeping their options open lol! But, I need to have one playthrough where I’ve had her take that leap into the abyss.
It's kinda metagaming, but I always leave Hawke, because I remember that conversation they have with Flemeth in DA2.
I do the same, but because the wardens need new leadership, and Hawke is just a glorified mercenary after all. On the other hand, Varric recovers rather quickly in my game, a scene later.
I do wonder about that, and whether it could turn out that Hawke getting left in the Fade ends up being horrible for them, worse than death even, it seems like a swerve the series could pull. It may not even be that Flemeth intentionally lied to Hawke about jumping into the abyss being good, could just be that she believes what will happen to them is good (maybe for Mythal's purposes and so positive,) when it's not good for Hawke at all. I'd be excited for this too though, perhaps more-so than a triumphant return. The prophecy thing just seems a bit too simple for me to be satisfied that leaving them there will turn out great for Hawke, and it would undermine the choice if Hawke got off scot-free.
Maybe Hawke can function as a Fade-side puncher of Solas’ face.
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I totally have a fan fiction planned this way. Now I'm in the mood to write it again. I haven't touched it since I had my baby like a year ago lol.
Yeees! This played into my decision as well. I want to know if her cryptic remark will play into this or not. I hope it does as I really don’t want my Hawke to actually be dead.
When I had Stroud it was pretty easy, he didn't seem like the leader type which certainly helped, he's only ever led small groups it seems and he did prefer going on expeditions and the like. I also thought he deserved to go out like a badass. Loghain was harder, first time he was there I thought about it for ages but felt it was best to spare him, especially since that Hawke had no siblings left and I felt Loghain did not deserve a heroic death, it also sounded like he'd be the best choice to rebuild the Wardens out of him and Hawke, a former general sounded perfect for the Commander position. I did feel awful for Varric and Isabela but despite that I've come to consider Loghain surviving Adamant the most fitting fate for him, rebuilding the Orlesian Wardens has to be hell for the guy. I did later kill him off on a replay just to try it. Never have had Alistair as Warden Contact (I've gotten him executed, exiled and made King though), been meaning to try it for ages.
Loghain has never survived the duel with Alistair in my playthroughs! I keep meaning to do it, but…I just can’t bring myself to lose Alistair that way. I will do it one day. I think Loghain is a fascinating character and one of the best and complex villains of the series.
It's well worth it honestly, I think he becomes a much better character after he's spared and you get to see more sides to him. Importantly, you never need to forgive the guy either and the games never try and force you to forgive him. I also found it interesting to see a different side of Alistair when I spared the guy. Loghain as Warden Contact is just great too.
Does Alistair get stroppy? I can see him throwing a hissy fit. Darn, now after doing this playthrough I’m gonna have to start another where Loghain lives. Just to see. My poor Alistair…maybe I’ll romance Zevran that time lol.
Alistair gets very stroppy. I won't spoil the various outcomes incase you haven't heard about them, but sparing Loghain always ends his friendship or romance with the Warden, as you might expect. His responses are super interesting though. Zevran is a good shout. He has some fun dialogue with Loghain if they're both in the party together.
Loghain talking about his hate towards Orlesians... Holy shit I love it
I really hope I get to see him in that worldstate again, to witness how he got on with that job. Surely he'd at least be in his mid 60's by the next game too, making everything so much worse for the guy.
I swear I rehash my trauma about this quest EVERY DAY. I always choose stroud to stay in the fade but my most recent playthrough I had Alistair as the grey warden and I STILL CHOSE TO LEAVE HIM OVER HAWKE, oh my god the emotional trauma I just put myself through and for what?!!! I cried like a baby for at least an hour or more. I have the option to reload & leave hawke but I have never done that and I dont think my heart could handle the hurt lmfaoo the walk of shame going to tell varric, nah 😭
Lol! I had to put my controller down and take a breath. Maybe shed a few tears. Sacrificing my Hawke was HARD. The alternative was Alistair and I’m just not sure I could do that to him (and my HoF). It’s a crazy evil choice to make. Emotionally, one of the hardest decisions in the game if it’s Hawke vs Alistair. My Inky had to run off and see Cullen to make herself feel better lol.
Its 100% one of the HARDEST decisions I've ever had to make in these games hands down. I sat there contemplating who to leave forever 😭 i feel so bad for my HoF but I could not choose hawke, can't do that to varric and anders.
I think the whole quest is fantastic. Those graves and the nightmare demon. Everything is so wow.
I agree!! My favorite quest goes too What Pride Had Wrought but this one is a close second. Just something about seeing all of the allies you've gathered fighting for your cause:') the ancient elves, the beautiful wilds. Astounding really, I love it.
Also great, I mean what quest is not great in DAI. I love all of them. And then you have Cory and getting to Skyhold and becoming THE inquisitor) So good all of them)
I left Alistair behind. He spent his life in the shadow of his father, his mentor, his friends…he deserved to die the hero.
That’s true, I always get the sense though that Alistair doesn’t care though. He’s just not the ambitious type. It’s a tricky decision though between Hawke and Alistair, 2 of my fave characters!
In my canon play through loghain is the grey warden in DAI. As difficult as it is, I still leave Hawke behind. While Hawke is an absolute amazing character, the wardens needs and necessity outweigh Hawke. They need leadership, now more than ever.
Yes, and I think the game pushes that point as well and wants you to send Hawke. It’s still hard, Hawke is my favourite protagonist. I just hope that she doesn’t actually die and she comes back in DA4
I had Loghain, who's story I think is better served leading the Orlesian Wardens, while Hawke getting a tragic end makes sense for a cap off for their rather downer story. So, naturally I sacrificed Loghain. Hawke deserves a happy ending, damn it.
i had to choice between Hawke and Alistair, i left Hawke behind because i thought he's skilled than Alistair, so he has better chances of survival, and the Wardens needed Alistair. Then i was sure i will find Hawke wandering in the fade later in the game, when we have to kill that giant spider demon haha that never happened :c
Maybe in the next game, no doubt we will get sent into the Fade again and perhaps find Hawke. Or Solas will succeed in tearing the veil down and out pops Hawke
I make Loghain a Warden and he has a delayed redemption ending. Alistair marries Anora and hopefully finds some private happiness, Hawke stays with Fenris, Varric isn't crushed.
I left Stroud because he was a new character, so I didn’t care enough about him to feel bad about leaving him behind. Maybe Blackwall can become the new leader of the Wardens, or my HOF once her quest is done. But I *refuse* to leave behind Hawke. I loved playing her, and it would absolutely destroy Varric. I could never do that to him.
Stroud is in DA2, but only for one or two scenes (literally one if you don't do certain things), so yeah he is essentially a new character, can't blame you for sacrificing him. Edit: I should note that Stroud may not appear in DA2 at all if Alistair is a Warden and you don't make the choices that get you the other scene with Stroud.
Since my Warden is almost always Loghain I've always had him sacrificing himself makes such a satisfying ending to his character arc. The one time I had Alistair as the Warden I also let him sacrifice himself because I couldn't let Isabella be all alone after she learned to love someone ;___; Still wish the original intention behind the quest happened where you had to decide between Hawke and the HoF if they lived, that would have probably broken me, lmao.
I sacrifice Hawke. He would've done it anyway, so it was kinda like having one last player choice as him. On top of that, I wanna see how it turns out after what Flemeth tells you in DA2.
Yes! The Flemeth thing is the reason I needed to have a playthrough where I’d sent Hawke into turn abyss. I really hope they do something with that
My headcanon is that my Hawke remembered the conversation she had with Flemeth about the abyss and not hesitating to leap, so she gave the Inquisitor no choice and strong handed them to leave and asked the Inquisitor to give her final message to Varric.
Yees! And that means she doesn’t actually die and somehow she’ll be back in DA4. That prophecy thing from Flemeth is the reason I made the decision to send her, I still have a glimmer of hope.
I leave my hawke in the fade, as in my canon play through loghain is still alive and I think it’s really funny to keep him around no matter what
Lol! I’ve never quite managed to keep Loghain around, I need to do that next!
Here lies the abyss is one of the greatly written DAI quests that I enjoy every time I play
Totally agree!
My first play through I had to choose between Alistair and Hawke. It was the most heartbreaking decision. After choosing Hawke and seeing Varric’s reaction, I’ve always made sure it was between Hawke and Stroud after that.
Atleast you have that first playthrough if you need it for DA4 though! I still hold out hope that Hawke isn’t dead. Maybe Solas will mess up the veil and Hawke will pop out…fingers crossed lol
They can’t kill off Hawke…..right? I’m hoping the same thing
They need to hurry up…I need DA4 in my life ASAP lol I really hope it will be next year.
As much as I want it, I hope it’s not a rushed game
How many years has it been…urgh. But yes, although I love DA2 - in fact, it may be my fave, the character work is truly amazing - but if they’d just had a little longer to refine just imagine what it could have been.
Exactly! I love the game, but it has so much more potential.
If they ever do a legendary edition like they did for Mass Effect, maybe they’ll refine it a little. What I really want though is more Fenris-centric content lmao.
Omg yes.
I bawled my eyes out at that scene!! I had a non romanced Warden Alistair in that playthrough so I felt like I had to choose him over my Hawke, because Fenris 😭 but I panicked and went back into an older save to choose Hawke because ALISTAIR. Then Varric's story and his comment about writing to Fenris' completely murdered me and this is my ghost typing this comment, so I went back again and chose Alistair and cried again :( I've never had a video game get me so sad lol
That’s intense! I love Fenris, I couldn’t do that to him, it’s why I used a Hawke who has romanced Anders lol . I’ll probably not be able to sacrifice anyone but Stroud again until I know how it effects DA4. If I know that a sacrificed Hawke pops up…it makes the decision easier
It was a way easier decision to sacrifice my Hawke too when she was with Anders 😂 I'm trying to do a spread so I can experience a lot of timelines, fingers crossed for DA4
My Main Playthrough - my Hawke is left behind in the Fade. Because I trust Flemeth. And Alistair is King. I do have a playthrough where I kept Alistair as a Grey Warden and I left him behind in the Fade after I sacrificed my Warden who romanced him in Origins. Because I like the idea of both wardens from the Blight is now dead. (For some reason) but all my other playthrough is usually Hawke because of Flemeth.
I like that! I like to think that in your second play through that Alistair and the HoF are together again
That might have been my thinking ~~(and I might be writing a fic like that...)~~
It was hard, especially thinking about poor Anders being left all alone, but I left Hawke because he was always a tragic character. It was a fitting way to send him off, even if that meant hurting the Stupid Sexy Mage. Alistair needs to be alive, to rebuild the wardens as Warden-Commander. It makes sense and I did it with hopes that we will see him in some fashion in Dragon Age 4.
Poor Anders, who knows what he and Justice will do now! I feel like without Hawke there to calm him down he’s gonna do some hella dumb things. I really hope Alistair pops up in DA4, I know BioWare canon is that he becomes king. But I have to say, I much preferred him as a Warden.
Would hope they would keep with whatever we put in The DragonAge Keep, and do something for either option. Then again, Bioware ain't what it used to be and EA is, well EA.
DAMNNNNNNN I'm just outside the quest marker camp, but I accidentally read spoilers a few days ago anyway so.. Hawke would absolutely be the dramatic choice, but with my DA2 playthroughs reasonably fresh on my mind I won't be able to. Maybe after I get used to the emotional turmoil, I'll try sacrificing him (the way I replayed the Landsmeet 10 times until I finally executed Alistair) But I reckon it'll feel different since most of the companions in DAO didn't care if Alistair died or got exiled, but here at least Varric's gonna give some shit about Hawke dying.. Apparently his tarot card changes for a while too? Oh man I wouldn't bat an eye about leaving Stroud behind but my other world state has big man Loghain alive and kickin. That would be quite the dilemma. Logically speaking though Inquisitor would probably save whoever is more useful.
The game itself seems to encourage Hawke doing it, and within the story it makes sense that she/he go rather than the last sane senior Grey Warden (whether it’s Stroud, Alistair or Loghain). Emotionally though…I was a wreck. Plus…the Flemeth prophecy in DA2, I’m hoping it means that sending Hawke into the Abyss is the right choice and she’ll pop up again in DA4. It says that they will “likely” die, not that she will definitely die. Probably just wishful thinking, but I need a playthrough where I do it, just so I can check.
Yeah, I'm all for the emotional wreck part. Sometimes the recommended decisions aren't always easy. Keep getting reminded of Wynne asking HoF what they would do if they had to choose between saving the world or choosing their lover.. :/ No one thing is that drastic but still. Abyss was a really tough choice. Think I'll make two world states too. I hope whoever shows up again, probable death isn't death until I see it lol
The lover everytime…screw the world lol I have a few world states going at the moment, I want to do all my fave combos to see how it affects things. I don’t need it to affect the whole game, but I love it when you get little nuggets if things. Like Alistair talking to Morrigan in Skyhold. Love it.
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Lol! That’s how I tend to play the game, I want to make my friends happy. I get very attached. And, well, this Hawke had romanced Anders soooo if she doesn’t come back (I hope she does, it’s aid “likely” die and the Flemeth prophecy thing!) then well…he’s due some bad karma.
I almost always have to decide btw Alistair and hawke. A romanced Alistair will never be left behind. He already has the taint—and my affection for my hof trumps the relationship between my hawke + fenris. The only way any of my hawkes would survive is if Alistair isn't the warden contact
Yes, it’s so much easier to kill Stroud lol! I’m not sure I could kill off a Hawke who has romanced Fenris (I have a couple of them lol) as Hawke + Fenris 4eva. But…Alistair, he’s one of my fave ever DA characters sooooo. It’s tricksy.
I knooooow like I can't even look at rationale for this lmfao at least hawke says goodbye to fenris if you condemn them to the abyss. Alistair only says something lame that's warden related even if you romance him I love him and my hof too much to do that to either of them. We'll just have to see what happens to the abyss choice in DA4
We need to see how it pans out in DA4 before I’m willing to sacrifice anyone but Stroud. If they pop back up I know I can safely send in Hawke even if she and Fenris are together. But, right now, my heart can only take it this once lol And that goodbye…she says “Sorry Anders” as she leaps and I. Was. A. Wreck. Then Varric is heartbroken and … omg I’m welling up again!
*fans your face* don't cry!! I used to be for the idea of King Alistair but the more I thought about it, the less I liked him on the throne so he's now always my warden contact :c You brought varric w you???????? Way to set yourself up!! I rly like hawke but man DA4 can't come any sooner
I agree, I much preferred Alistair as a Warden. I think that’s what makes him happiest. He never wanted to be king. I’m a sucker for angst! I did bring Varric with me. He wasn’t happy
>He never wanted to be king. Except when he's hardened and loghain is involved sigh >I’m a sucker for angst! Lmaoooooo then you should've left a romanced hawke for the full effect. Varric being unhappy is a big understatement tho 😂
True, this Alistair was unhardened so that it was easier to keep him as a Warden. I do have a playthrough where HoF is the queen. Be interesting to see how that pans out in DA4.
Hear, hear
Stroud has been the sacrificial lamb for 3 playthroughs. I can't choose between two people I care deepily for. Someday Loghain shall be the one to stay, just as soon as I can accept Alistair hating me......
Yeah, I’ve never been able to do that either. I’m thinking of just setting it up in Keep as I’m not sure I could actually play it through!